Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Respected RRSir,Instead to enlighten me on Ashtakvarg,you are talking about folks as if they are being misguided,but certainly not.No statement is made recklessly on Internet and specially when & where monitoring is being done by so experienced and learned person like you.You are absolutely right that every claim must be supported with cogent documentary evidence.Other wise claim petitions are rejected for want of proof.How ever supporting documents are needed to be filed when claim is denied specifically and not evasively.Evasive denial means acceptance. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Sun, March 28, 2010 6:25:37 AM Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg  Misra_jee, Yours has got to be one of the most recklessly penned statement posted on internet! You should be more responsible because some folks may actually trust your statemen as being real! What evidence do you have, or statistics for claiming that 'most' astrologers use AV for determining longevity? When and where and by whom was such a survey conducted? :-? Awaiting your response with details about the survey and evidence to support your *claim*! Rohiniranjan , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I have seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated from Astak Varga... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 So what you are saying is: Buddha walked away from his wife and son to illuminate the Universe! In doing so, was he inculcating some KARMA towards his wife and son (and others?) YOU BET! That is why HE had to return to the world and pay his dues! Just as all monks must! Pay their dues to the society that fed and educated and raised them -- which they just left on some whim beatnic or otherwise! Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dera Members, " He " here means Lord Buddha. It is prudent to play safe hence > this explanation. > Regards > KB > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > > > > SiRR Ji, I had decided to post astrology relevant posts on this forum > > henceforth but I just couldn't resist the temptation by your post. > > Sir, There is a poem penned by Rabinder Nath Tagore describing the moment > > when he returned home and his wife asked him it is was really necessary to > > leave them. I think that was the only time/moment when Lord preferred > > SILENCE. > > If any member has the translation kindly post it. I beg. > > SiRR ji, I am sure, you must be having it. > > > > Lots of Respect > > KB. > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 9:47 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Immortality, bhai saheb! > >> > >> That is why babajis and MONKS renunciates keep returning to our society > >> even if it means begging! > >> > >> If the mountains and jungles and Kailash were the ultimate goal, then we > >> would never ever have seen those that fled REALITY and became recluses! > >> > >> And when they return there is simply one name for them! FAILED ANGELS! > >> > >> We have seen a few and shall continue to see a few such FAILURES and > >> FALLEN and FAILED ANGELS! > >> > >> My heart goes out to their parents...! Did they deserve such misery? > >> > >> Rohiniranjan > >> > >> > >> --- In <%40>, > >> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Misra Ji, > >> > What's the utility of keeping anything secret, After all How much time > >> do we > >> > have? > >> > Regards > >> > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > >> > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > >> > dhirendranathmisra@> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I > >> have > >> > > seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated > >> from > >> > > Astak Varga.I have also heard from so many about efficacy of KAS for > >> pin > >> > > pointing timing of events.I am not being enlightened by any learned > >> member > >> > > in this regard.So I am putting my views to draw attention once > >> again.My > >> > > first principle is that I am ready to follow any system willfully > >> which is > >> > > applicable to twins or persons born in the same sign as ascendant on > >> the > >> > > same day and in the same locality.Let one calculate longivity of two > >> people > >> > > born on same day and in same locality at an interval of few minutes or > >> > > secons only,both having the same ascendant. The position of planets > >> also > >> > > remain same.So by calculation both the person will get the same > >> astakvarg > >> > > figure.Therefore if we calculate longivity,both the persons should > >> have the > >> > > same span of life.But in real life it does not happen.Of the twins > >> born in > >> > > the same sign as ascendant,one lives and one dies.Longivity is not the > >> > > same.Generally they all do not die on the same day after having lived > >> for > >> > > some years.For transit results also it is not applicable to twins.With > >> > > regard to other matters for pin pointing timing of life events ,its > >> efficacy > >> > > is not practically tested by me.May be it up to the mark.If by grace > >> of God > >> > > any perfect and further positive thought dawns in my mind,I will be > >> > > conviced with the efficacy of astakvarg system and I will let you know > >> all > >> > > about its efficacy and there will be no need to keep secret behind > >> you. > >> > > > >> > > With thanks & regards, > >> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Misra jee, You already KNOW what there is to know! About Astrology, about diabetes, about everything! Why this new wrinkle about wanting to learn? Or do you have something to teach? ;-) Please stop playing games! Others, as you may have observed, have tried and still trying and have failed! Jyotish never was, and never will be a game for me!! RR_, , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > Respected RRSir,Instead to enlighten me on Ashtakvarg,you are talking about folks as if they are being misguided,but certainly not.No statement is made recklessly on Internet > and specially when & where monitoring is being done by so experienced and learned person like you.You are absolutely right that every claim must be supported with cogent documentary evidence.Other wise claim petitions are rejected for want of proof.How ever supporting documents are needed to be filed when claim is denied specifically and not evasively.Evasive denial means acceptance. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra >  > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sun, March 28, 2010 6:25:37 AM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Misra_jee, > > Yours has got to be one of the most recklessly penned statement posted on internet! > > You should be more responsible because some folks may actually trust your statemen as being real! > > What evidence do you have, or statistics for claiming that 'most' astrologers use AV for determining longevity? When and where and by whom was such a survey conducted? :-? > > Awaiting your response with details about the survey and evidence to support your *claim*! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I have seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated from Astak Varga... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Mishra Ji, What I have experienced is that the predictions or calculation related to timings of Marriage and Death are the most intriguing aspects of any chart. If jyotishis say that the time of marriage will come in next 3 m0nths, a ray of marriage bliss is kindled in the heart of the questioner. It is other matter that this period of 3 months may go on happening and the marriage may take place after ,say after 12 cycles of 3 months or may be 36 cycles also. This is very simple ,because the maximum timings for marriage yoga go on appearing in the birth charts to all of us, the jyotishis,everytime we sudy any chart. Coming to death and the efficacy of Ashtak Varga about it. I do not believe that any jyotishi can solely depend upon only the Ashtak Varga, as there are a lot number of vargs,conditions, ayuryogas in a birth chart, and it is ther most complicated excercise for any jyotishi. May be, we could be able to see some death like situation . But, normally we become wiser , after the event of death has occurred. Now your very interesting observation about the timing of death of one of the Twins. This is again the real tough and very unfortunate time for any jyotishi to calculate or tell wisely why only ONE of the twins has died. There are hundereds of similarities in the birth charts of twins, although few differences do appear in the higher Varga charts of the twins, and we may be able to tell about the difference in behavioural patters, tastes, intelligence level, education (one may be scoring less marks compared to the other twin), their health, their career graph etc(here too the biggest help comes in the way the problems,hurdles etc are quesioned by their parents from a Jyotishi,or the jyotishi also happens to observe the traits of the twins, if he happens to know the family well. But again the jyotishis become helpless and frustrated, when it comes to their marriages,spouse,progeny ,and lastly the death. I have faced such predicament and situations on 5-6 occassions about the matters related to the previously stated fields of twins and on 2 occasions the death of one of twins . The latest case is given below for all jyotishis ,where there is no clear indication for death of one of the twins. (This is copy of my mail send to a Guru, as I was not able to pin point things correctly), and I did not get reply. ====== Dear Sir, One of my client was in touch with me for 9 months as he was not able to take care of his newly wedded wife,due to his own indifferent attitude,but was willing to change. He accepted my advice on some mantras and his wife informed me in April that now he is normal and they are leading happy life. I got a call from his wife stating that her husband has died of heart attack on November,30 morning approx between 5-15, 5-20 AM, when he awoke from his sleep,to get ready to go to the call centre; and compalined severe pain in chest, and collapsed,with no signs of life, before other family members could reach their room. The birth particulars of the Boy are : ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. During the telephonica chat , her sister in law also came on the line and told me that Anuj has a twin brother and she is married to him. Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979,Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. She was worried about her husband. After this I have been examinig birth charts of both the brothers. Their all divisional charts are same, and the difference comes only in lagna of D-81 and D-108. The Mrityu Sahama of late Anuj is 4 Sc00'27.59 (Anu). The Mrityu Sahama of brother Amit is 3 Sc 33'25.72 (Anu) ( Venus was in 3 Sc 34.58.34 in Anu in the morning of 30th November,2009) In their longitudes and basic info, the Kaala is 14 Ta 31'27.41-Rohi-2 for late Anuj and 14 Ta 31'27.59(Roh-2)for Amit. I would like to mention that apart from vimshotri and other related dashas, I have since examined the Kalchakra Dasha of late Anuj and his twin Amit.This dasha for Anuj is of Le from 16-08-2006 to 16-082011. Antardasha is of Ca from 20-12-2008 till 07-01-2010. Deha dasha of Le-Ca-Ca-Li-Vi-Cn was operative at the time of his death i.e. from 03:45:24 am on 30-11-2009. As far I can analyse Mooon appears to have played major role as it is lord of 8th house(placed in 9th house with Sun,Ju ,Ma,Ra in rashi chart) and Ve the lord of 6th and 11th and Ma the lord of 5th and 12th have also played their supportive role? Placement of Su,Ju,Ma,Ra in sign leo in rasi chart,which is aspected by Ke from 3rd house also appear to have caused heart failure, as Ma and Ju are deb in gochara and Ra is also aspecting sign Li,and Ju and Mo have rashi drishti on sign le. Further, the KC dasha of Amit is also that of Le, but it commenced 8 days later w.e.f. 24-08-2006 and he was running the dashas of Le-Cn-Cn-Li-Aq-Ta from 04:50 am on 30-11-2009. In this case involvement of Sa is also present, but mercifully he is hale and hearty,so far! I am at a loss to work out the Ayur calculations for Amit and also utterly confused, as to how to predict future for him. I can only add here that when yesterday late Anuj's wife was talking to me she was repeating confidently that her husband will return to her in the form of her child. I had a look at her D-7 and Narayan Dashas and felt confident that she most probably had conceived about 3-4 days before the death of her husband. When her sister-in-law talked to me, she told that about 2 hours back family had taken the widowed girl to a lady doctor, who told them that she will re-examine her on 11th November ; and only then would be able to tell something. On 15th November,I was informed that the girl is indeed pregnant. I am wonder struck on the ways of the destiny and the leela of God. I will humbly request you to please give your expert opinion in this matter. I shall be grateful for your guidance! Thanking you. ============ After waiting for the reply from Guruji, I send the mail to another Guru and I got a reply from him that for the twins, the lagna of the younger one should be examined by taking the 3rd house as his lagna,but he informed that he will not be able to divulge more about this Rule. I just felt satisfied, as a student of jyotish. Since I have found that this is the right time for me to share this with all jyotishis, I have written this message,with the hope that it could prove useful for all. But, Mishraji, I have one humble request for you and few other members, we are in the field of jyotish for learning and not in a AKHHARA for a MAL-L Yudha ! With my best regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > Respected RRSir,Instead to enlighten me on Ashtakvarg,you are talking about folks as if they are being misguided,but certainly not.No statement is made recklessly on Internet > and specially when & where monitoring is being done by so experienced and learned person like you.You are absolutely right that every claim must be supported with cogent documentary evidence.Other wise claim petitions are rejected for want of proof.How ever supporting documents are needed to be filed when claim is denied specifically and not evasively.Evasive denial means acceptance. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra >  > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani > > Sun, March 28, 2010 6:25:37 AM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Misra_jee, > > Yours has got to be one of the most recklessly penned statement posted on internet! > > You should be more responsible because some folks may actually trust your statemen as being real! > > What evidence do you have, or statistics for claiming that 'most' astrologers use AV for determining longevity? When and where and by whom was such a survey conducted? :-? > > Awaiting your response with details about the survey and evidence to support your *claim*! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I have seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated from Astak Varga... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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