kaal-chakra Dasa : Scheme and Sub-periods

[Guest guest]

OM Guruve Namah

 

 

 

Dear VJ,

 

Sixty four messages on this topic in this list alone,forget other lists

where your mails are found copied and posted.

 

May be you could be exception, but most pundits count number of slokas,

chapters and subtilities of subject in scriptures but never accept they are

not clear about basic concept alternative they do not want to teach other

then their students.

 

You have found time to write long mails while taking workshops during tours,

but you have yet to reply simple answers to questions raised in earlier

mails.

 

As a scholar If you choose to answer it could be a real help.

 

Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD.I have seen even

after understanding correct concept involved treatment of whole dasa

progression is incorrectly treated in latest book on KCD. Auther has

allowed gandant to be crossed?

 

With regards.

 

RC

 

OM TAT SAT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Srivastava Ji,

 

How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages ? You say : " most

pundits count number of slokas, chapters... " . Do you remember you said there

are 56 stanzas in KCD's AD chapter? This chapter has 58 verses, not 56 stanzas.

I concluded you have not read that chapter directly and must be relying on some

secondary source. Hence, I wanted you should check the original and refuted you

to show AD in KCD. Had you tried to find AD in KCD, you would have noticed 58

and not 56, and verses instead of stanzas.

 

You say " most pundits....never accept they are not clear about basic concept

alternative they do not want to teach other then their students " . I have never

written any book or complete essay on KCD; I had once answered a mail to PVR

Narasimha Rao (of JHORA), aqnd later I pasted that answer at my website. This

article was about a single sequence, on which Mr Sanjay Rath was differing with

PVR. My article was not a general article about KCD. Hence, both of your charges

are wrong. I have no desire to hide anything from others. But my experience is

that if Jyotisha is taught to persons who are not your students then you will be

abused sooner or later by them.

 

You say : " Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD. " If you are

an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool like me? I am a

software developer, and I devote my residual time to other issues.

 

Some persons assume they know all about KCD. But remember, my friend, there is

not a single astrologer in the whole world who has shown how KCD works, with

practical examples. Mere lecturing about theory will not help. Have you tested

KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable birthdata? If not, I have

no time for you. If yes, I will give as much time to you as possible. It does

not imply I am omniscient.

 

Some members in this forum have already wasted much of my time over practical

examples, and later withdrew when I supplied the evidences. This is not sincere

discussion. (this para is not about you or KCD)

 

If you are interested in a real discussion, here are my suggestions :

 

(1) Collect all the available material aboput KCD in all versions of primary

books such as BPHS, and then take help from secondary books like Phaladeepikaa

& c.

 

(2) Then, separate the clear and unclear parts of KCD.

 

(3)Lastly, analyze practical examples to test KCD's efficacy as well as to

clarify tyhe unclear parts.

 

The task is lengthy. This type of endeavour can be carried out away from

internet fora. In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the discussion,

sometimes deliberately.

 

-VJ

=============================== ====

, " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> OM Guruve Namah

>

>

>

> Dear VJ,

>

> Sixty four messages on this topic in this list alone,forget other lists

> where your mails are found copied and posted.

>

> May be you could be exception, but most pundits count number of slokas,

> chapters and subtilities of subject in scriptures but never accept they are

> not clear about basic concept alternative they do not want to teach other

> then their students.

>

> You have found time to write long mails while taking workshops during tours,

> but you have yet to reply simple answers to questions raised in earlier

> mails.

>

> As a scholar If you choose to answer it could be a real help.

>

> Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD.I have seen even

> after understanding correct concept involved treatment of whole dasa

> progression is incorrectly treated in latest book on KCD. Auther has

> allowed gandant to be crossed?

>

> With regards.

>

> RC

>

> OM TAT SAT

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

" VJ " wrote: " In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the discussion,

sometimes deliberately. "

 

 

 

So create a forum rather than continuing with this 'victim mentality'

 

/Rahu allows one to escape from such victim mentality and create fora for

specific purposes! ;-)

[Guest guest]

Mr Rohiniranjan " Jee " ,

 

Although I had not named you, you are too explicit now to escape an explicit

answer.

 

You have deliberately destroyed many good discussions with your meaningless

comedies having no bearing with Jyotisha or with the thread. The moment RCS

wanted to re-open this thread on KCD with some serious intention, you intervened

to vitiate the climate. Initially I thought you cannot tolerate my ideas on

Ganita-Jyotisha. Now, I believe the reason is elsewhere : my very existence is

abominable for you. You expelled me from your own forum without ever telling me

what was my fault. I was not even informed. Then, you followed me in all other

fora which I visit, and there is hardly any thread participated by me which you

do not intervene in and everywhere you divert the discussion to non-issues. I

know you will never discuss any serious topic with me. But I am really wondering

why you have decided to expel me from all internet fora?? I am not a

professional like you. Hence, it is not the reason. The real issue is something

else, which I indicated in one of my recent posts through a story about PPt

Ramchandra Pandey.

 

Some " internet-scholars " want to annihilate their would-be competitors. But I

have no desire to become an internet-guru. Hence, you can complacently forget

me. You will never know what harm you are doing to Jyotisha, because cruel

planets are exalted in your horoscpope, if you believe in the influence of

horoscopes.

 

I hope this will be my last " straightforward " mail to you. I never wanted to use

such words, but you are crossing the limits. I do not need respect. But I expect

civility from Jyotishis ; it is one of the essential requirements for becoming a

Jyotishi.

 

Now, I am making one prediction : " In spite of all your resistance, you will be

more and more confused with your own method/methods in next ten years and you

will be forced to change yourself drastically, both in Jyotisha and in personal

life. " I have no desire to change you, I only want to keep away from you because

you are too cruel, beneath a mask of civility.

 

-Vinay Jha

============================== ============

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> " VJ " wrote: " In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the

discussion, sometimes deliberately. "

>

>

>

> So create a forum rather than continuing with this 'victim mentality'

>

> /Rahu allows one to escape from such victim mentality and create fora for

specific purposes! ;-)

>

[Guest guest]

Disgusting!

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Mr Rohiniranjan " Jee " ,

>

> Although I had not named you, you are too explicit now to escape an explicit

answer.

>

> You have deliberately destroyed many good discussions with your meaningless

comedies having no bearing with Jyotisha or with the thread. The moment RCS

wanted to re-open this thread on KCD with some serious intention, you intervened

to vitiate the climate. Initially I thought you cannot tolerate my ideas on

Ganita-Jyotisha. Now, I believe the reason is elsewhere : my very existence is

abominable for you. You expelled me from your own forum without ever telling me

what was my fault. I was not even informed. Then, you followed me in all other

fora which I visit, and there is hardly any thread participated by me which you

do not intervene in and everywhere you divert the discussion to non-issues. I

know you will never discuss any serious topic with me. But I am really wondering

why you have decided to expel me from all internet fora?? I am not a

professional like you. Hence, it is not the reason. The real issue is something

else, which I indicated in one of my recent posts through a story about PPt

Ramchandra Pandey.

>

> Some " internet-scholars " want to annihilate their would-be competitors. But I

have no desire to become an internet-guru. Hence, you can complacently forget

me. You will never know what harm you are doing to Jyotisha, because cruel

planets are exalted in your horoscpope, if you believe in the influence of

horoscopes.

>

> I hope this will be my last " straightforward " mail to you. I never wanted to

use such words, but you are crossing the limits. I do not need respect. But I

expect civility from Jyotishis ; it is one of the essential requirements for

becoming a Jyotishi.

>

> Now, I am making one prediction : " In spite of all your resistance, you will

be more and more confused with your own method/methods in next ten years and you

will be forced to change yourself drastically, both in Jyotisha and in personal

life. " I have no desire to change you, I only want to keep away from you because

you are too cruel, beneath a mask of civility.

>

> -Vinay Jha

> ============================== ============

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > " VJ " wrote: " In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the

discussion, sometimes deliberately. "

> >

> >

> >

> > So create a forum rather than continuing with this 'victim mentality'

> >

> > /Rahu allows one to escape from such victim mentality and create fora

for specific purposes! ;-)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear VJ,

1. How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages?

Nil, counting is given by outlook topic wise.

2. I wanted you should check the original and refuted you to show AD in KCD.

I have three versions of BPHS only. Difference of two slokas is among GC Sharma

& Santhanam versions. These are about AD in KCD as I have understood.

3. . " If you are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool

like me?

No Dear, To me. I am seeking answer about some doubts from competent person.

4. Have you tested KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable birth

data? If not, I have no time for you.

Sir I have tested many many charts,All your suggestions have been part of my

investigation. I was interested only about AD in KCD , that to me is not crystal

clear part, Hence was my first response to mail on this thread.

Since you probably hold AD are imaginative thinking in scripture, so no

possibility exists for dialogue.

Lastly I wish to submit, I did not charge any one nor challenge. It is sweat

will to reply or ignore my messages.If someone showers his blessings by replying

clearly , It is his divine act & i can be grateful to him.That is all.

With regards.

RC

OM TAT SAT

 

 

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Srivastava Ji,

>

> How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages ? You say :

" most pundits count number of slokas, chapters... " . Do you remember you said

there are 56 stanzas in KCD's AD chapter? This chapter has 58 verses, not 56

stanzas. I concluded you have not read that chapter directly and must be relying

on some secondary source. Hence, I wanted you should check the original and

refuted you to show AD in KCD. Had you tried to find AD in KCD, you would have

noticed 58 and not 56, and verses instead of stanzas.

>

> You say " most pundits....never accept they are not clear about basic concept

alternative they do not want to teach other then their students " . I have never

written any book or complete essay on KCD; I had once answered a mail to PVR

Narasimha Rao (of JHORA), aqnd later I pasted that answer at my website. This

article was about a single sequence, on which Mr Sanjay Rath was differing with

PVR. My article was not a general article about KCD. Hence, both of your charges

are wrong. I have no desire to hide anything from others. But my experience is

that if Jyotisha is taught to persons who are not your students then you will be

abused sooner or later by them.

>

> You say : " Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD. " If you

are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool like me? I am a

software developer, and I devote my residual time to other issues.

>

> Some persons assume they know all about KCD. But remember, my friend, there is

not a single astrologer in the whole world who has shown how KCD works, with

practical examples. Mere lecturing about theory will not help. Have you tested

KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable birthdata? If not, I have

no time for you. If yes, I will give as much time to you as possible. It does

not imply I am omniscient.

>

> Some members in this forum have already wasted much of my time over practical

examples, and later withdrew when I supplied the evidences. This is not sincere

discussion. (this para is not about you or KCD)

>

> If you are interested in a real discussion, here are my suggestions :

>

> (1) Collect all the available material aboput KCD in all versions of primary

books such as BPHS, and then take help from secondary books like Phaladeepikaa

& c.

>

> (2) Then, separate the clear and unclear parts of KCD.

>

> (3)Lastly, analyze practical examples to test KCD's efficacy as well as to

clarify tyhe unclear parts.

>

> The task is lengthy. This type of endeavour can be carried out away from

internet fora. In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the discussion,

sometimes deliberately.

>

> -VJ

> =============================== ====

> , " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > OM Guruve Namah

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear VJ,

> >

> > Sixty four messages on this topic in this list alone,forget other lists

> > where your mails are found copied and posted.

> >

> > May be you could be exception, but most pundits count number of slokas,

> > chapters and subtilities of subject in scriptures but never accept they are

> > not clear about basic concept alternative they do not want to teach other

> > then their students.

> >

> > You have found time to write long mails while taking workshops during tours,

> > but you have yet to reply simple answers to questions raised in earlier

> > mails.

> >

> > As a scholar If you choose to answer it could be a real help.

> >

> > Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD.I have seen even

> > after understanding correct concept involved treatment of whole dasa

> > progression is incorrectly treated in latest book on KCD. Auther has

> > allowed gandant to be crossed?

> >

> > With regards.

> >

> > RC

> >

> > OM TAT SAT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear RCS,

 

I have no intention of humiliating you. But you might have noticed that this

thread is being wasted for useless personal remarks.

 

You say : " Since you probably hold AD are imaginative thinking in scripture, so

no possibility exists for dialogue " .

 

You have misunderstood me. I said there are 58 verses about AD of KCD in BPHS,

while you mentioned only 56. How could you conclude that I refuse to accept

these 58 verses which I have myself mentioned?? I repeat : " I wanted you should

check the original and refuted you to show AD in KCD " . Since you had cited a

wrong number of vwerses (56 stanzas), I thought you have read some secondary

version. Now you have clarified by naming Santhanam and GC Sharma. Although I

possess their bersions too, I never consult them because

 

(1) they are not experts of Sanskrit

 

(2) they did not try to consult original manuscripts,

 

(3) they used the version prepared by Sitaram Jha without examininbg other

versions carefully, although many serious editors had already published

versuions of BPHS which differed from thqat of Sitaram Jha.

 

(4) they noticed some spurious verses in BPHS, yet could not check other

versions or manuscripts.

 

Why should I waste my time over such incompetent and egotistical editors, who do

not even know Sanskrit but make vain claims of omniscience (GC Sharma claimed of

having read all books!!).

 

I think you know Hindi. Hence, I request you to read :

 

(1) Sitaram Jha

(2) Devachandra Jha

(3) Ganeshdatta Pathak

(4) Khemraj Edition (it contains 1780 more verses)

 

You say you have tested many charts and are now interested in AD. I hope you

have resolved the issue of MD.

 

I can give as much time to you as you wish, and if sincere discussion is

disrupted by Rohini JI then yoiu can discuss KCD on other fora or privately.

First of all, keep it in muind that I have 100% faith in Sage Parashara and

there is no question of refutinh AD in KCD. I was only testing whether you

actually read that chapter or not.

 

I am not omniscient. There are many unclear things about KCD.

 

Let us begin from the beginning : have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

charts you examined ? Answer me honestly, because many experienced Jyotishis are

confounded over even MD of KCD.

 

-VJ

================================= ===

, " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs wrote:

>

> Dear VJ,

> 1. How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages?

> Nil, counting is given by outlook topic wise.

> 2. I wanted you should check the original and refuted you to show AD in KCD.

> I have three versions of BPHS only. Difference of two slokas is among GC

Sharma & Santhanam versions. These are about AD in KCD as I have understood.

> 3. . " If you are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool

like me?

> No Dear, To me. I am seeking answer about some doubts from competent person.

> 4. Have you tested KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable

birth data? If not, I have no time for you.

> Sir I have tested many many charts,All your suggestions have been part of my

investigation. I was interested only about AD in KCD , that to me is not crystal

clear part, Hence was my first response to mail on this thread.

> Since you probably hold AD are imaginative thinking in scripture, so no

possibility exists for dialogue.

> Lastly I wish to submit, I did not charge any one nor challenge. It is sweat

will to reply or ignore my messages.If someone showers his blessings by replying

clearly , It is his divine act & i can be grateful to him.That is all.

> With regards.

> RC

> OM TAT SAT

>

>

>

>

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Srivastava Ji,

> >

> > How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages ? You say :

" most pundits count number of slokas, chapters... " . Do you remember you said

there are 56 stanzas in KCD's AD chapter? This chapter has 58 verses, not 56

stanzas. I concluded you have not read that chapter directly and must be relying

on some secondary source. Hence, I wanted you should check the original and

refuted you to show AD in KCD. Had you tried to find AD in KCD, you would have

noticed 58 and not 56, and verses instead of stanzas.

> >

> > You say " most pundits....never accept they are not clear about basic concept

alternative they do not want to teach other then their students " . I have never

written any book or complete essay on KCD; I had once answered a mail to PVR

Narasimha Rao (of JHORA), aqnd later I pasted that answer at my website. This

article was about a single sequence, on which Mr Sanjay Rath was differing with

PVR. My article was not a general article about KCD. Hence, both of your charges

are wrong. I have no desire to hide anything from others. But my experience is

that if Jyotisha is taught to persons who are not your students then you will be

abused sooner or later by them.

> >

> > You say : " Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD. " If you

are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool like me? I am a

software developer, and I devote my residual time to other issues.

> >

> > Some persons assume they know all about KCD. But remember, my friend, there

is not a single astrologer in the whole world who has shown how KCD works, with

practical examples. Mere lecturing about theory will not help. Have you tested

KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable birthdata? If not, I have

no time for you. If yes, I will give as much time to you as possible. It does

not imply I am omniscient.

> >

> > Some members in this forum have already wasted much of my time over

practical examples, and later withdrew when I supplied the evidences. This is

not sincere discussion. (this para is not about you or KCD)

> >

> > If you are interested in a real discussion, here are my suggestions :

> >

> > (1) Collect all the available material aboput KCD in all versions of primary

books such as BPHS, and then take help from secondary books like Phaladeepikaa

& c.

> >

> > (2) Then, separate the clear and unclear parts of KCD.

> >

> > (3)Lastly, analyze practical examples to test KCD's efficacy as well as to

clarify tyhe unclear parts.

> >

> > The task is lengthy. This type of endeavour can be carried out away from

internet fora. In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the discussion,

sometimes deliberately.

> >

> > -VJ

> > =============================== ====

> > , " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > OM Guruve Namah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear VJ,

> > >

> > > Sixty four messages on this topic in this list alone,forget other lists

> > > where your mails are found copied and posted.

> > >

> > > May be you could be exception, but most pundits count number of slokas,

> > > chapters and subtilities of subject in scriptures but never accept they

are

> > > not clear about basic concept alternative they do not want to teach other

> > > then their students.

> > >

> > > You have found time to write long mails while taking workshops during

tours,

> > > but you have yet to reply simple answers to questions raised in earlier

> > > mails.

> > >

> > > As a scholar If you choose to answer it could be a real help.

> > >

> > > Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD.I have seen even

> > > after understanding correct concept involved treatment of whole dasa

> > > progression is incorrectly treated in latest book on KCD. Auther has

> > > allowed gandant to be crossed?

> > >

> > > With regards.

> > >

> > > RC

> > >

> > > OM TAT SAT

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Threads are not 'capped' as in limited by number of messages or megabytes of

disk-space consumed!

 

They are, splendid opportunities for Trataka though! Focused concentration ;-)

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Dear RCS,

>

> I have no intention of humiliating you. But you might have noticed that this

thread is being wasted for useless personal remarks.

>

> You say : " Since you probably hold AD are imaginative thinking in scripture,

so no possibility exists for dialogue " .

>

> You have misunderstood me. I said there are 58 verses about AD of KCD in BPHS,

while you mentioned only 56. How could you conclude that I refuse to accept

these 58 verses which I have myself mentioned?? I repeat : " I wanted you should

check the original and refuted you to show AD in KCD " . Since you had cited a

wrong number of vwerses (56 stanzas), I thought you have read some secondary

version. Now you have clarified by naming Santhanam and GC Sharma. Although I

possess their bersions too, I never consult them because

>

> (1) they are not experts of Sanskrit

>

> (2) they did not try to consult original manuscripts,

>

> (3) they used the version prepared by Sitaram Jha without examininbg other

versions carefully, although many serious editors had already published

versuions of BPHS which differed from thqat of Sitaram Jha.

>

> (4) they noticed some spurious verses in BPHS, yet could not check other

versions or manuscripts.

>

> Why should I waste my time over such incompetent and egotistical editors, who

do not even know Sanskrit but make vain claims of omniscience (GC Sharma claimed

of having read all books!!).

>

> I think you know Hindi. Hence, I request you to read :

>

> (1) Sitaram Jha

> (2) Devachandra Jha

> (3) Ganeshdatta Pathak

> (4) Khemraj Edition (it contains 1780 more verses)

>

> You say you have tested many charts and are now interested in AD. I hope you

have resolved the issue of MD.

>

> I can give as much time to you as you wish, and if sincere discussion is

disrupted by Rohini JI then yoiu can discuss KCD on other fora or privately.

First of all, keep it in muind that I have 100% faith in Sage Parashara and

there is no question of refutinh AD in KCD. I was only testing whether you

actually read that chapter or not.

>

> I am not omniscient. There are many unclear things about KCD.

>

> Let us begin from the beginning : have you found MD of KCD to be working well

in charts you examined ? Answer me honestly, because many experienced Jyotishis

are confounded over even MD of KCD.

>

> -VJ

> ================================= ===

> , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear VJ,

> > 1. How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages?

> > Nil, counting is given by outlook topic wise.

> > 2. I wanted you should check the original and refuted you to show AD in KCD.

> > I have three versions of BPHS only. Difference of two slokas is among GC

Sharma & Santhanam versions. These are about AD in KCD as I have understood.

> > 3. . " If you are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool

like me?

> > No Dear, To me. I am seeking answer about some doubts from competent person.

> > 4. Have you tested KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable

birth data? If not, I have no time for you.

> > Sir I have tested many many charts,All your suggestions have been part of my

investigation. I was interested only about AD in KCD , that to me is not crystal

clear part, Hence was my first response to mail on this thread.

> > Since you probably hold AD are imaginative thinking in scripture, so no

possibility exists for dialogue.

> > Lastly I wish to submit, I did not charge any one nor challenge. It is sweat

will to reply or ignore my messages.If someone showers his blessings by replying

clearly , It is his divine act & i can be grateful to him.That is all.

> > With regards.

> > RC

> > OM TAT SAT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Srivastava Ji,

> > >

> > > How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages ? You say :

" most pundits count number of slokas, chapters... " . Do you remember you said

there are 56 stanzas in KCD's AD chapter? This chapter has 58 verses, not 56

stanzas. I concluded you have not read that chapter directly and must be relying

on some secondary source. Hence, I wanted you should check the original and

refuted you to show AD in KCD. Had you tried to find AD in KCD, you would have

noticed 58 and not 56, and verses instead of stanzas.

> > >

> > > You say " most pundits....never accept they are not clear about basic

concept alternative they do not want to teach other then their students " . I have

never written any book or complete essay on KCD; I had once answered a mail to

PVR Narasimha Rao (of JHORA), aqnd later I pasted that answer at my website.

This article was about a single sequence, on which Mr Sanjay Rath was differing

with PVR. My article was not a general article about KCD. Hence, both of your

charges are wrong. I have no desire to hide anything from others. But my

experience is that if Jyotisha is taught to persons who are not your students

then you will be abused sooner or later by them.

> > >

> > > You say : " Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD. " If

you are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool like me? I

am a software developer, and I devote my residual time to other issues.

> > >

> > > Some persons assume they know all about KCD. But remember, my friend,

there is not a single astrologer in the whole world who has shown how KCD works,

with practical examples. Mere lecturing about theory will not help. Have you

tested KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable birthdata? If not,

I have no time for you. If yes, I will give as much time to you as possible. It

does not imply I am omniscient.

> > >

> > > Some members in this forum have already wasted much of my time over

practical examples, and later withdrew when I supplied the evidences. This is

not sincere discussion. (this para is not about you or KCD)

> > >

> > > If you are interested in a real discussion, here are my suggestions :

> > >

> > > (1) Collect all the available material aboput KCD in all versions of

primary books such as BPHS, and then take help from secondary books like

Phaladeepikaa & c.

> > >

> > > (2) Then, separate the clear and unclear parts of KCD.

> > >

> > > (3)Lastly, analyze practical examples to test KCD's efficacy as well as to

clarify tyhe unclear parts.

> > >

> > > The task is lengthy. This type of endeavour can be carried out away from

internet fora. In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the discussion,

sometimes deliberately.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > =============================== ====

> > > , " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > OM Guruve Namah

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear VJ,

> > > >

> > > > Sixty four messages on this topic in this list alone,forget other lists

> > > > where your mails are found copied and posted.

> > > >

> > > > May be you could be exception, but most pundits count number of slokas,

> > > > chapters and subtilities of subject in scriptures but never accept they

are

> > > > not clear about basic concept alternative they do not want to teach

other

> > > > then their students.

> > > >

> > > > You have found time to write long mails while taking workshops during

tours,

> > > > but you have yet to reply simple answers to questions raised in earlier

> > > > mails.

> > > >

> > > > As a scholar If you choose to answer it could be a real help.

> > > >

> > > > Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD.I have seen even

> > > > after understanding correct concept involved treatment of whole dasa

> > > > progression is incorrectly treated in latest book on KCD. Auther has

> > > > allowed gandant to be crossed?

> > > >

> > > > With regards.

> > > >

> > > > RC

> > > >

> > > > OM TAT SAT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

To Swami_rcs Ji,

 

I am repeating my suggestions :

 

<<<<<

If you are interested in a real discussion, here are my suggestions :

 

(1) Collect all the available material aboput KCD in all versions of primary

books such as BPHS, and then take help from secondary books like Phaladeepikaa

& c.

 

(2) Then, separate the clear and unclear parts of KCD.

 

(3)Lastly, analyze practical examples to test KCD's efficacy as well as to

clarify tyhe unclear parts.

 

The task is lengthy. This type of endeavour can be carried out away from

internet fora. In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the discussion,

sometimes deliberately.

>>>>>

 

You have seen how I am prevented from discussing anything properly. Hence, I

have also developed an attitude of carelessness towards such persons and topics.

When I saw you citing " 56 stanzas " instead of 58 verses from AD chapter of KCD,

I said thyere is no direct mention of AD in KCD so that you may be induced to

consult the text directly(I copied and pasted this response on my website also

in an article about KCD which was actually not an independent article but a

email to PVR Narasimha Rao). Instead of consulting the texts, you got confused

about me ,in spite of the fact that I had quoted BPHS's chapter about ADs of

KCD.

 

I have ample proof of efficacy of KCD in timing of events. Few astrologers use

KCD in actual practice. You seem to be really interested in KCD, but I do not

know the extent of your sincerity in exploring the depths of BPHS. If you are

really sincere, please procure Khemraj Edition of BPHS together with Devachandra

Jha and Ganeshdatta Pathak Editions. The remaining editions are with you

already. After you get these editions, we can discuss KCD properly. Besides,

these editions will help you in all other topics as well. The editions you

possess contain only half of the available verses of BPHS.

 

PVR Narasimha Rao is not interested in free and frank discussions with me

because his Ganita is different, hence I did not explain my stand to him in my

aforementioned email. I supported his statement about one verse about KCD on

which Mr Sanjay Rath differed with him. It does not mean I support all his

statements. PVR is a learned person, but his astrological method is zigzag and

users fail to find out in the jungle of options provided in JHORA which method

PVR actually prefers.

 

I want to change the content of my article about KCD on my website, but I am on

a long tour now-a-days and I get little time to write. I hope you will read the

editions of BPHS mentioned by me and will open the topic of KCD in a productive

manner again.

 

-VJ

=============================== ===

, " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs wrote:

>

> Dear VJ,

> 1. How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages?

> Nil, counting is given by outlook topic wise.

> 2. I wanted you should check the original and refuted you to show AD in KCD.

> I have three versions of BPHS only. Difference of two slokas is among GC

Sharma & Santhanam versions. These are about AD in KCD as I have understood.

> 3. . " If you are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool

like me?

> No Dear, To me. I am seeking answer about some doubts from competent person.

> 4. Have you tested KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable

birth data? If not, I have no time for you.

> Sir I have tested many many charts,All your suggestions have been part of my

investigation. I was interested only about AD in KCD , that to me is not crystal

clear part, Hence was my first response to mail on this thread.

> Since you probably hold AD are imaginative thinking in scripture, so no

possibility exists for dialogue.

> Lastly I wish to submit, I did not charge any one nor challenge. It is sweat

will to reply or ignore my messages.If someone showers his blessings by replying

clearly , It is his divine act & i can be grateful to him.That is all.

> With regards.

> RC

> OM TAT SAT

>

>

>

>

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Srivastava Ji,

> >

> > How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages ? You say :

" most pundits count number of slokas, chapters... " . Do you remember you said

there are 56 stanzas in KCD's AD chapter? This chapter has 58 verses, not 56

stanzas. I concluded you have not read that chapter directly and must be relying

on some secondary source. Hence, I wanted you should check the original and

refuted you to show AD in KCD. Had you tried to find AD in KCD, you would have

noticed 58 and not 56, and verses instead of stanzas.

> >

> > You say " most pundits....never accept they are not clear about basic concept

alternative they do not want to teach other then their students " . I have never

written any book or complete essay on KCD; I had once answered a mail to PVR

Narasimha Rao (of JHORA), aqnd later I pasted that answer at my website. This

article was about a single sequence, on which Mr Sanjay Rath was differing with

PVR. My article was not a general article about KCD. Hence, both of your charges

are wrong. I have no desire to hide anything from others. But my experience is

that if Jyotisha is taught to persons who are not your students then you will be

abused sooner or later by them.

> >

> > You say : " Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD. " If you

are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool like me? I am a

software developer, and I devote my residual time to other issues.

> >

> > Some persons assume they know all about KCD. But remember, my friend, there

is not a single astrologer in the whole world who has shown how KCD works, with

practical examples. Mere lecturing about theory will not help. Have you tested

KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable birthdata? If not, I have

no time for you. If yes, I will give as much time to you as possible. It does

not imply I am omniscient.

> >

> > Some members in this forum have already wasted much of my time over

practical examples, and later withdrew when I supplied the evidences. This is

not sincere discussion. (this para is not about you or KCD)

> >

> > If you are interested in a real discussion, here are my suggestions :

> >

> > (1) Collect all the available material aboput KCD in all versions of primary

books such as BPHS, and then take help from secondary books like Phaladeepikaa

& c.

> >

> > (2) Then, separate the clear and unclear parts of KCD.

> >

> > (3)Lastly, analyze practical examples to test KCD's efficacy as well as to

clarify tyhe unclear parts.

> >

> > The task is lengthy. This type of endeavour can be carried out away from

internet fora. In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the discussion,

sometimes deliberately.

> >

> > -VJ

> > =============================== ====

> > , " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > OM Guruve Namah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear VJ,

> > >

> > > Sixty four messages on this topic in this list alone,forget other lists

> > > where your mails are found copied and posted.

> > >

> > > May be you could be exception, but most pundits count number of slokas,

> > > chapters and subtilities of subject in scriptures but never accept they

are

> > > not clear about basic concept alternative they do not want to teach other

> > > then their students.

> > >

> > > You have found time to write long mails while taking workshops during

tours,

> > > but you have yet to reply simple answers to questions raised in earlier

> > > mails.

> > >

> > > As a scholar If you choose to answer it could be a real help.

> > >

> > > Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD.I have seen even

> > > after understanding correct concept involved treatment of whole dasa

> > > progression is incorrectly treated in latest book on KCD. Auther has

> > > allowed gandant to be crossed?

> > >

> > > With regards.

> > >

> > > RC

> > >

> > > OM TAT SAT

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

7a. Re: kaal-chakra Dasa : Scheme and Sub-periods

Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16

Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:44 pm ((PDT))

 

To Swami_rcs Ji,

 

I am repeating my suggestions : ETC.

************************************************************8

Following is my humble submission:

Dear VJ ji ,

On list continuation of thread is difficult. I have re-downloaded your software

to check how you calculate AD in KCD as I remember to read " Now-a-days there are

various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR Narasimha Rao recently

described this state of confusion, after which I provided the link to my article

in two fora. I tried to bring out the original scheme of Sage Parashara which no

member has cared to notice, including you and RCS. This scheme has already been

worked out in Kundalee Software. " Since, you have done programming in kundlee

software. I did not ask it here.I am in process to find your teachings

indirectly.

 

Initial two unanswered question from me and my friend had been.

1. Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa

once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

2. But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of KCD'S

Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6.

 

Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced likewise

according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have Karka AD as the

first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka : 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6.

Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

 

May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha order begins

from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is 4,5,3,2,1,12,11,10 and 9, that

is it begins with Karka? If it follows the order given by you , how does it fit

in with the manner Parashara told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari

scheme?

 

, Dear sir,You have questioned me

Let us begin from the beginning: have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

charts you examined? Answer me honestly, because many experienced Jyotishis are

confounded over even MD of KCD.

 

Dear Sir, once one has concept clear ,KCD is on finger tips. Why should I answer

dishonestly? to anyone here or anywhere else.

 

Yes Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar Arudhas Argala and strength works

well in KCD for persons having eventful lives in particular provided Birth time

are reliable and moons postion is accurate ..

 

Sice it may take sometime for me to install your software and understand what

another new book ON kcd has taught , I will revert to unclear part.

Thanks for your interest and indulgence.

Lastly I repeat, I am only unclear about AD movement that is not adequatly

investigated by me .I possess BPHS by Ganesh dutt pathak and all pulished

literature ON KCD by Dr Raman, Santhanam,KN Rao series JP, PHD Jtakadesh Marg

books by Chugh as well as Deewan ramchandra kapoor etc.

book and many others articles published between 1970 to closure of Astrological

magazine.My list includes new book by Mr Shakti Mohan Singh

With regards.

RC.

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To Swami_rcs Ji,

>

> I am repeating my suggestions :

>

> <<<<<

> If you are interested in a real discussion, here are my suggestions :

>

> (1) Collect all the available material aboput KCD in all versions of primary

books such as BPHS, and then take help from secondary books like Phaladeepikaa

& c.

>

> (2) Then, separate the clear and unclear parts of KCD.

>

> (3)Lastly, analyze practical examples to test KCD's efficacy as well as to

clarify tyhe unclear parts.

>

> The task is lengthy. This type of endeavour can be carried out away from

internet fora. In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the discussion,

sometimes deliberately.

> >>>>>

>

> You have seen how I am prevented from discussing anything properly. Hence, I

have also developed an attitude of carelessness towards such persons and topics.

When I saw you citing " 56 stanzas " instead of 58 verses from AD chapter of KCD,

I said thyere is no direct mention of AD in KCD so that you may be induced to

consult the text directly(I copied and pasted this response on my website also

in an article about KCD which was actually not an independent article but a

email to PVR Narasimha Rao). Instead of consulting the texts, you got confused

about me ,in spite of the fact that I had quoted BPHS's chapter about ADs of

KCD.

>

> I have ample proof of efficacy of KCD in timing of events. Few astrologers use

KCD in actual practice. You seem to be really interested in KCD, but I do not

know the extent of your sincerity in exploring the depths of BPHS. If you are

really sincere, please procure Khemraj Edition of BPHS together with Devachandra

Jha and Ganeshdatta Pathak Editions. The remaining editions are with you

already. After you get these editions, we can discuss KCD properly. Besides,

these editions will help you in all other topics as well. The editions you

possess contain only half of the available verses of BPHS.

>

> PVR Narasimha Rao is not interested in free and frank discussions with me

because his Ganita is different, hence I did not explain my stand to him in my

aforementioned email. I supported his statement about one verse about KCD on

which Mr Sanjay Rath differed with him. It does not mean I support all his

statements. PVR is a learned person, but his astrological method is zigzag and

users fail to find out in the jungle of options provided in JHORA which method

PVR actually prefers.

>

> I want to change the content of my article about KCD on my website, but I am

on a long tour now-a-days and I get little time to write. I hope you will read

the editions of BPHS mentioned by me and will open the topic of KCD in a

productive manner again.

>

> -VJ

> =============================== ===

> , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear VJ,

> > 1. How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages?

> > Nil, counting is given by outlook topic wise.

> > 2. I wanted you should check the original and refuted you to show AD in KCD.

> > I have three versions of BPHS only. Difference of two slokas is among GC

Sharma & Santhanam versions. These are about AD in KCD as I have understood.

> > 3. . " If you are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool

like me?

> > No Dear, To me. I am seeking answer about some doubts from competent person.

> > 4. Have you tested KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable

birth data? If not, I have no time for you.

> > Sir I have tested many many charts,All your suggestions have been part of my

investigation. I was interested only about AD in KCD , that to me is not crystal

clear part, Hence was my first response to mail on this thread.

> > Since you probably hold AD are imaginative thinking in scripture, so no

possibility exists for dialogue.

> > Lastly I wish to submit, I did not charge any one nor challenge. It is sweat

will to reply or ignore my messages.If someone showers his blessings by replying

clearly , It is his divine act & i can be grateful to him.That is all.

> > With regards.

> > RC

> > OM TAT SAT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Srivastava Ji,

> > >

> > > How much time you wasted over counting the number of messages ? You say :

" most pundits count number of slokas, chapters... " . Do you remember you said

there are 56 stanzas in KCD's AD chapter? This chapter has 58 verses, not 56

stanzas. I concluded you have not read that chapter directly and must be relying

on some secondary source. Hence, I wanted you should check the original and

refuted you to show AD in KCD. Had you tried to find AD in KCD, you would have

noticed 58 and not 56, and verses instead of stanzas.

> > >

> > > You say " most pundits....never accept they are not clear about basic

concept alternative they do not want to teach other then their students " . I have

never written any book or complete essay on KCD; I had once answered a mail to

PVR Narasimha Rao (of JHORA), aqnd later I pasted that answer at my website.

This article was about a single sequence, on which Mr Sanjay Rath was differing

with PVR. My article was not a general article about KCD. Hence, both of your

charges are wrong. I have no desire to hide anything from others. But my

experience is that if Jyotisha is taught to persons who are not your students

then you will be abused sooner or later by them.

> > >

> > > You say : " Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD. " If

you are an expert of KCD, why are you wasting your time over a fool like me? I

am a software developer, and I devote my residual time to other issues.

> > >

> > > Some persons assume they know all about KCD. But remember, my friend,

there is not a single astrologer in the whole world who has shown how KCD works,

with practical examples. Mere lecturing about theory will not help. Have you

tested KCD or Vimshottari on the lives of those with reliable birthdata? If not,

I have no time for you. If yes, I will give as much time to you as possible. It

does not imply I am omniscient.

> > >

> > > Some members in this forum have already wasted much of my time over

practical examples, and later withdrew when I supplied the evidences. This is

not sincere discussion. (this para is not about you or KCD)

> > >

> > > If you are interested in a real discussion, here are my suggestions :

> > >

> > > (1) Collect all the available material aboput KCD in all versions of

primary books such as BPHS, and then take help from secondary books like

Phaladeepikaa & c.

> > >

> > > (2) Then, separate the clear and unclear parts of KCD.

> > >

> > > (3)Lastly, analyze practical examples to test KCD's efficacy as well as to

clarify tyhe unclear parts.

> > >

> > > The task is lengthy. This type of endeavour can be carried out away from

internet fora. In these fora, disinterested members will destroy the discussion,

sometimes deliberately.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > =============================== ====

> > > , " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > OM Guruve Namah

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear VJ,

> > > >

> > > > Sixty four messages on this topic in this list alone,forget other lists

> > > > where your mails are found copied and posted.

> > > >

> > > > May be you could be exception, but most pundits count number of slokas,

> > > > chapters and subtilities of subject in scriptures but never accept they

are

> > > > not clear about basic concept alternative they do not want to teach

other

> > > > then their students.

> > > >

> > > > You have found time to write long mails while taking workshops during

tours,

> > > > but you have yet to reply simple answers to questions raised in earlier

> > > > mails.

> > > >

> > > > As a scholar If you choose to answer it could be a real help.

> > > >

> > > > Please do not assume I need encouragement to study KCD.I have seen even

> > > > after understanding correct concept involved treatment of whole dasa

> > > > progression is incorrectly treated in latest book on KCD. Auther has

> > > > allowed gandant to be crossed?

> > > >

> > > > With regards.

> > > >

> > > > RC

> > > >

> > > > OM TAT SAT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >