Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Misra ji, Go to Google search , type Astavakra there is more than enough information than you can digest. BUT I am afraid it will not help you in such jyotish(oops- astrology) rules that you are looking for. Regards Kulbir Bains. On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > Respected Swami Kulvirji,So far I have been told Astavakraji was not > physically handsome but he was bestowed with immense divine knowledge.Every > thing is not available on net,so I thought it better to ask you and now it > depends upon you to reject or accept the prayer. > > With Thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > ________________________________ > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb <lalkitabkb%40gmail.com>> > > <%40> > Sat, March 27, 2010 7:18:10 PM > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > Bhai Misra ji; Shbhan Allah; Aafreen; Sadke jaun aapke; Surname Name Misra > and you ask about rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji.. if it is really > helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > Atleast you should have searched about Ahshtvakra on net before firing this > reply. > LOTS of I don't know WHAT? > Kulbir Bains. > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > dhirendranathmisra <dhirendranathmisra%40ymail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > know > > whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I > can > > infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me > any > > thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and > > further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to > enlighten > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab > if > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with > direct > > example. > > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani<jyotish_vani%40hotmail.com><jyotish_vani% > 40hotmail.com> > > > > > To: <%40><Jyotish_Rem\ edies% > 40> > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. > > ..> wrote: > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software > is > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to > make > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > are > > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > musicians > > or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > bring > > to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is > > very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with > > few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but > > they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their > own > > songs. > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Respected Raj Sir & RRji,Thanks a lot for your reply.I would make best use of your reply and further advice to learn more about astrology and Ashtak varg.Please be confident that no MAL-L Yudha is going to take place.I always bow down my head on the lotus feet of all Gurujis where from I can learn some thing. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 Sun, March 28, 2010 3:01:41 PM Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg  Dear Mishra Ji, What I have experienced is that the predictions or calculation related to timings of Marriage and Death are the most intriguing aspects of any chart. If jyotishis say that the time of marriage will come in next 3 m0nths, a ray of marriage bliss is kindled in the heart of the questioner. It is other matter that this period of 3 months may go on happening and the marriage may take place after ,say after 12 cycles of 3 months or may be 36 cycles also. This is very simple ,because the maximum timings for marriage yoga go on appearing in the birth charts to all of us, the jyotishis,everytime we sudy any chart. Coming to death and the efficacy of Ashtak Varga about it. I do not believe that any jyotishi can solely depend upon only the Ashtak Varga, as there are a lot number of vargs,conditions, ayuryogas in a birth chart, and it is ther most complicated excercise for any jyotishi. May be, we could be able to see some death like situation . But, normally we become wiser , after the event of death has occurred. Now your very interesting observation about the timing of death of one of the Twins. This is again the real tough and very unfortunate time for any jyotishi to calculate or tell wisely why only ONE of the twins has died. There are hundereds of similarities in the birth charts of twins, although few differences do appear in the higher Varga charts of the twins, and we may be able to tell about the difference in behavioural patters, tastes, intelligence level, education (one may be scoring less marks compared to the other twin), their health, their career graph etc(here too the biggest help comes in the way the problems,hurdles etc are quesioned by their parents from a Jyotishi,or the jyotishi also happens to observe the traits of the twins, if he happens to know the family well. But again the jyotishis become helpless and frustrated, when it comes to their marriages,spouse, progeny ,and lastly the death. I have faced such predicament and situations on 5-6 occassions about the matters related to the previously stated fields of twins and on 2 occasions the death of one of twins . The latest case is given below for all jyotishis ,where there is no clear indication for death of one of the twins. (This is copy of my mail send to a Guru, as I was not able to pin point things correctly), and I did not get reply. ====== Dear Sir, One of my client was in touch with me for 9 months as he was not able to take care of his newly wedded wife,due to his own indifferent attitude,but was willing to change. He accepted my advice on some mantras and his wife informed me in April that now he is normal and they are leading happy life. I got a call from his wife stating that her husband has died of heart attack on November,30 morning approx between 5-15, 5-20 AM, when he awoke from his sleep,to get ready to go to the call centre; and compalined severe pain in chest, and collapsed,with no signs of life, before other family members could reach their room. The birth particulars of the Boy are : ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. During the telephonica chat , her sister in law also came on the line and told me that Anuj has a twin brother and she is married to him. Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. She was worried about her husband. After this I have been examinig birth charts of both the brothers. Their all divisional charts are same, and the difference comes only in lagna of D-81 and D-108. The Mrityu Sahama of late Anuj is 4 Sc00'27.59 (Anu). The Mrityu Sahama of brother Amit is 3 Sc 33'25.72 (Anu) ( Venus was in 3 Sc 34.58.34 in Anu in the morning of 30th November,2009) In their longitudes and basic info, the Kaala is 14 Ta 31'27.41-Rohi- 2 for late Anuj and 14 Ta 31'27.59(Roh- 2)for Amit. I would like to mention that apart from vimshotri and other related dashas, I have since examined the Kalchakra Dasha of late Anuj and his twin Amit.This dasha for Anuj is of Le from 16-08-2006 to 16-082011. Antardasha is of Ca from 20-12-2008 till 07-01-2010. Deha dasha of Le-Ca-Ca-Li- Vi-Cn was operative at the time of his death i.e. from 03:45:24 am on 30-11-2009. As far I can analyse Mooon appears to have played major role as it is lord of 8th house(placed in 9th house with Sun,Ju ,Ma,Ra in rashi chart) and Ve the lord of 6th and 11th and Ma the lord of 5th and 12th have also played their supportive role? Placement of Su,Ju,Ma,Ra in sign leo in rasi chart,which is aspected by Ke from 3rd house also appear to have caused heart failure, as Ma and Ju are deb in gochara and Ra is also aspecting sign Li,and Ju and Mo have rashi drishti on sign le. Further, the KC dasha of Amit is also that of Le, but it commenced 8 days later w.e.f. 24-08-2006 and he was running the dashas of Le-Cn-Cn-Li- Aq-Ta from 04:50 am on 30-11-2009. In this case involvement of Sa is also present, but mercifully he is hale and hearty,so far! I am at a loss to work out the Ayur calculations for Amit and also utterly confused, as to how to predict future for him. I can only add here that when yesterday late Anuj's wife was talking to me she was repeating confidently that her husband will return to her in the form of her child. I had a look at her D-7 and Narayan Dashas and felt confident that she most probably had conceived about 3-4 days before the death of her husband. When her sister-in-law talked to me, she told that about 2 hours back family had taken the widowed girl to a lady doctor, who told them that she will re-examine her on 11th November ; and only then would be able to tell something. On 15th November,I was informed that the girl is indeed pregnant. I am wonder struck on the ways of the destiny and the leela of God. I will humbly request you to please give your expert opinion in this matter. I shall be grateful for your guidance! Thanking you. ============ After waiting for the reply from Guruji, I send the mail to another Guru and I got a reply from him that for the twins, the lagna of the younger one should be examined by taking the 3rd house as his lagna,but he informed that he will not be able to divulge more about this Rule. I just felt satisfied, as a student of jyotish. Since I have found that this is the right time for me to share this with all jyotishis, I have written this message,with the hope that it could prove useful for all. But, Mishraji, I have one humble request for you and few other members, we are in the field of jyotish for learning and not in a AKHHARA for a MAL-L Yudha ! With my best regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > Respected RRSir,Instead to enlighten me on Ashtakvarg,you are talking about folks as if they are being misguided,but certainly not.No statement is made recklessly on Internet > and specially when & where monitoring is being done by so experienced and learned person like you.You are absolutely right that every claim must be supported with cogent documentary evidence.Other wise claim petitions are rejected for want of proof.How ever supporting documents are needed to be filed when claim is denied specifically and not evasively.Evasive denial means acceptance. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra >  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ ... > > Sun, March 28, 2010 6:25:37 AM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Misra_jee, > > Yours has got to be one of the most recklessly penned statement posted on internet! > > You should be more responsible because some folks may actually trust your statemen as being real! > > What evidence do you have, or statistics for claiming that 'most' astrologers use AV for determining longevity? When and where and by whom was such a survey conducted? :-? > > Awaiting your response with details about the survey and evidence to support your *claim*! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I have seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated from Astak Varga... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji & others, I don't want to engage in controversies, But those who are serious would find the following adequate in explaining the event and the differences in the two charts. ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. Date of Death : 30-11-2009 Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Makara-Mithuna till 30-Nov-2009 MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 31-Dec-08 MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 14-Jan-09 MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 28-Jan-09 MESHA DHANUS KANYA 28-Feb-09 MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 18-Mar-09 MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 30-May-09 MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 1-Jul-09 MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 25-Aug-09 MESHA DHANUS MESHA 19-Sep-09 MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 24-Sep-09 MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 30-Sep-09 MESHA MAKARA KANYA 12-Oct-09 MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 19-Oct-09 MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 18-Nov-09 MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 30-Nov-09 MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 23-Dec-09 MESHA MAKARA MESHA 1-Jan-10 MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 15-Jan-10 --\ ----- Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. Still Living Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Dhanu-Mesha till 04-Dec-2009 Full kalachakra during the period MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 17-Mar-09 MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 31-Mar-09 MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 14-Apr-09 MESHA DHANUS KANYA 15-May-09 MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 2-Jun-09 MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 14-Aug-09 MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 15-Sep-09 MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 9-Nov-09 MESHA DHANUS MESHA 4-Dec-09 MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 9-Dec-09 MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 15-Dec-09 MESHA MAKARA KANYA 27-Dec-09 MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 3-Jan-10 MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 2-Feb-10 MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 14-Feb-10 MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 9-Mar-10 MESHA MAKARA MESHA 18-Mar-10 MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 1-Apr-10 --\ --------------- Both are of Dasa Group : Apasavya - Rohini (85) Kalachakra : KANYA, SIMHA, KARKATA, MITHUNA, VRISHA, MESHA, DHANUS, MAKARA, KUMBHA Being Apasavya group: Kanya is the Jeeva Rashi & Kumbha is the Deha Rashi. --\ ------------------- Mesha : Is having Gulika, but also aspected by Jupiter(Lagna lord). Dhanu is lagna rashi with Venus (6th & 11nth lord). Makara is Maraka Rashi with Saturn's Navamsa. Mithuna is Maraka Rashi with Navamsa of Moon (8th lord) + Rahu and aspected by Saturn (10th aspect). Kanya : Jeeva Rashi is having Saturn which is Maraka Sthanadhipathy and Ketu Rashyadhipathy. So its navamsa in Makara is not beneficial nor for Jeeva. --\ --------------------- Prana sputa : 22:56 Hastha Nakshatra of Kanya Deha Sputa : 27:21 Purva Badhrapada of Kumbha Mrithyu Sputa: 23:35 Bharani of Mesha Tri Sputa : 7:55 Krittika of Vrishabha Chatu Sputa : 11:22 Moola of Dhanu Pancha Sputa : 20:50 Bharani of Mesha This should give you how much Mesha, Dhanu, Kanya are afflicted. --\ ---------------------- And So also Mars which is bearing the Lordsship of Gulika, Mrithyu, Pancha Sputa, Gulika Navamsa. This is important since as per Vimshottari, Moon-Mars-Saturn was till 04-Dec-2009. --\ ---------------------- Ashtavarga Indication: A) Points in the 8th house from Sun= 6 B) Griha Pinda of Sun = 71 (A X B) /12 = 6 (Kanya Rashi). Saturn when transiting through sign should bring ones death, provided other indications of Dasa etc falls in gear. --\ ---------------------- Ayush - life span from lagna- 35 years (2013). from Chandra = 45 years (2024) --\ --------------------- Though only one minute difference is given for the above Twin births, you will notice the difference in Kalachakra dasa. One could argue that this said killer combination might have occurred or shall occur in the other chart so what is the point. This is where the transit also plays an important part. On the D-Day Moon was in Mesha -Bharani Nakshtra, Mars debilated in Karkata along with Gulika (note the relationship of Gulika, Mars, Moon & both getting debilated in each other's sign) and Moon being the lord of Kalapurusha sthana for chest. Which should explain why he died of chest pain (heart disease). Again note the moon and its navamsa. --\ -------------------------- In addition, thithy, karana, Ayana, Ritu, Maasa etc determine the D-Day of any event. --\ -------------------------- Finally, In reality it is rare that twins are born with a difference of only one minute. The actual difference could be anywhere between 3 to 15 minutes. This was the actual opinion of several gynecologist who actually perform the births. --\ -------------------------- Hope this shall help you understand the differences and concepts of Kalachakra dasa, Ashta varga and to synchronize these with other indications. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 Sun, March 28, 2010 3:01:41 PM Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg Dear Mishra Ji, What I have experienced is that the predictions or calculation related to timings of Marriage and Death are the most intriguing aspects of any chart. If jyotishis say that the time of marriage will come in next 3 m0nths, a ray of marriage bliss is kindled in the heart of the questioner. It is other matter that this period of 3 months may go on happening and the marriage may take place after ,say after 12 cycles of 3 months or may be 36 cycles also. This is very simple ,because the maximum timings for marriage yoga go on appearing in the birth charts to all of us, the jyotishis,everytime we sudy any chart. Coming to death and the efficacy of Ashtak Varga about it. I do not believe that any jyotishi can solely depend upon only the Ashtak Varga, as there are a lot number of vargs,conditions, ayuryogas in a birth chart, and it is ther most complicated excercise for any jyotishi. May be, we could be able to see some death like situation . But, normally we become wiser , after the event of death has occurred. Now your very interesting observation about the timing of death of one of the Twins. This is again the real tough and very unfortunate time for any jyotishi to calculate or tell wisely why only ONE of the twins has died. There are hundereds of similarities in the birth charts of twins, although few differences do appear in the higher Varga charts of the twins, and we may be able to tell about the difference in behavioural patters, tastes, intelligence level, education (one may be scoring less marks compared to the other twin), their health, their career graph etc(here too the biggest help comes in the way the problems,hurdles etc are quesioned by their parents from a Jyotishi,or the jyotishi also happens to observe the traits of the twins, if he happens to know the family well. But again the jyotishis become helpless and frustrated, when it comes to their marriages,spouse, progeny ,and lastly the death. I have faced such predicament and situations on 5-6 occassions about the matters related to the previously stated fields of twins and on 2 occasions the death of one of twins . The latest case is given below for all jyotishis ,where there is no clear indication for death of one of the twins. (This is copy of my mail send to a Guru, as I was not able to pin point things correctly), and I did not get reply. ====== Dear Sir, One of my client was in touch with me for 9 months as he was not able to take care of his newly wedded wife,due to his own indifferent attitude,but was willing to change. He accepted my advice on some mantras and his wife informed me in April that now he is normal and they are leading happy life. I got a call from his wife stating that her husband has died of heart attack on November,30 morning approx between 5-15, 5-20 AM, when he awoke from his sleep,to get ready to go to the call centre; and compalined severe pain in chest, and collapsed,with no signs of life, before other family members could reach their room. The birth particulars of the Boy are : ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. During the telephonica chat , her sister in law also came on the line and told me that Anuj has a twin brother and she is married to him. Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. She was worried about her husband. After this I have been examinig birth charts of both the brothers. Their all divisional charts are same, and the difference comes only in lagna of D-81 and D-108. The Mrityu Sahama of late Anuj is 4 Sc00'27.59 (Anu). The Mrityu Sahama of brother Amit is 3 Sc 33'25.72 (Anu) ( Venus was in 3 Sc 34.58.34 in Anu in the morning of 30th November,2009) In their longitudes and basic info, the Kaala is 14 Ta 31'27.41-Rohi- 2 for late Anuj and 14 Ta 31'27.59(Roh- 2)for Amit. I would like to mention that apart from vimshotri and other related dashas, I have since examined the Kalchakra Dasha of late Anuj and his twin Amit.This dasha for Anuj is of Le from 16-08-2006 to 16-082011. Antardasha is of Ca from 20-12-2008 till 07-01-2010. Deha dasha of Le-Ca-Ca-Li- Vi-Cn was operative at the time of his death i.e. from 03:45:24 am on 30-11-2009. As far I can analyse Mooon appears to have played major role as it is lord of 8th house(placed in 9th house with Sun,Ju ,Ma,Ra in rashi chart) and Ve the lord of 6th and 11th and Ma the lord of 5th and 12th have also played their supportive role? Placement of Su,Ju,Ma,Ra in sign leo in rasi chart,which is aspected by Ke from 3rd house also appear to have caused heart failure, as Ma and Ju are deb in gochara and Ra is also aspecting sign Li,and Ju and Mo have rashi drishti on sign le. Further, the KC dasha of Amit is also that of Le, but it commenced 8 days later w.e.f. 24-08-2006 and he was running the dashas of Le-Cn-Cn-Li- Aq-Ta from 04:50 am on 30-11-2009. In this case involvement of Sa is also present, but mercifully he is hale and hearty,so far! I am at a loss to work out the Ayur calculations for Amit and also utterly confused, as to how to predict future for him. I can only add here that when yesterday late Anuj's wife was talking to me she was repeating confidently that her husband will return to her in the form of her child. I had a look at her D-7 and Narayan Dashas and felt confident that she most probably had conceived about 3-4 days before the death of her husband. When her sister-in-law talked to me, she told that about 2 hours back family had taken the widowed girl to a lady doctor, who told them that she will re-examine her on 11th November ; and only then would be able to tell something. On 15th November,I was informed that the girl is indeed pregnant. I am wonder struck on the ways of the destiny and the leela of God. I will humbly request you to please give your expert opinion in this matter. I shall be grateful for your guidance! Thanking you. ============ After waiting for the reply from Guruji, I send the mail to another Guru and I got a reply from him that for the twins, the lagna of the younger one should be examined by taking the 3rd house as his lagna,but he informed that he will not be able to divulge more about this Rule. I just felt satisfied, as a student of jyotish. Since I have found that this is the right time for me to share this with all jyotishis, I have written this message,with the hope that it could prove useful for all. But, Mishraji, I have one humble request for you and few other members, we are in the field of jyotish for learning and not in a AKHHARA for a MAL-L Yudha ! With my best regards. Raj Bhardwaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear All, One more addition which I missed to typed in the below message: This is regarding the wife carrying at the moment: Look at Kalachakra dasa sequence: Mesha,- Makara-Mithuna Mesha is the 5th house (Santha Sthana) aspected by Lagna lord which is also Santhana Karaka - Jupiter. Makara is Kutumba Sthana- Children complete a family. Mithuna - Kalatra Sthana. Hope this helps further in the study. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji & others, > > I don't want to engage in controversies, But those who are serious would find the following adequate in explaining the event and the differences in the two charts. > > > ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, > Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. > > Date of Death : 30-11-2009 > > Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Makara-Mithuna till 30-Nov-2009 > > MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 31-Dec-08 > MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 14-Jan-09 > MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 28-Jan-09 > MESHA DHANUS KANYA 28-Feb-09 > MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 18-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 30-May-09 > MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 1-Jul-09 > MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 25-Aug-09 > MESHA DHANUS MESHA 19-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 24-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 30-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA KANYA 12-Oct-09 > MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 19-Oct-09 > MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 18-Nov-09 > MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 30-Nov-09 > MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 23-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA MESHA 1-Jan-10 > MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 15-Jan-10 > > --\ ----- > Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. > Still Living > Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Dhanu-Mesha till 04-Dec-2009 > > Full kalachakra during the period > > MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 17-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 31-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 14-Apr-09 > MESHA DHANUS KANYA 15-May-09 > MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 2-Jun-09 > MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 14-Aug-09 > MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 15-Sep-09 > MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 9-Nov-09 > MESHA DHANUS MESHA 4-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 9-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 15-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA KANYA 27-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 3-Jan-10 > MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 2-Feb-10 > MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 14-Feb-10 > MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 9-Mar-10 > MESHA MAKARA MESHA 18-Mar-10 > MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 1-Apr-10 > --\ --------------- > Both are of > Dasa Group : Apasavya - Rohini (85) > Kalachakra : KANYA, SIMHA, KARKATA, MITHUNA, VRISHA, MESHA, DHANUS, MAKARA, KUMBHA > > Being Apasavya group: Kanya is the Jeeva Rashi & Kumbha is the Deha Rashi. > --\ ------------------- > > Mesha : Is having Gulika, but also aspected by Jupiter(Lagna lord). > Dhanu is lagna rashi with Venus (6th & 11nth lord). > Makara is Maraka Rashi with Saturn's Navamsa. > Mithuna is Maraka Rashi with Navamsa of Moon (8th lord) + Rahu and aspected by Saturn (10th aspect). > > Kanya : Jeeva Rashi is having Saturn which is Maraka Sthanadhipathy and Ketu Rashyadhipathy. So its navamsa in Makara is not beneficial nor for Jeeva. > --\ --------------------- > Prana sputa : 22:56 Hastha Nakshatra of Kanya > Deha Sputa : 27:21 Purva Badhrapada of Kumbha > Mrithyu Sputa: 23:35 Bharani of Mesha > Tri Sputa : 7:55 Krittika of Vrishabha > Chatu Sputa : 11:22 Moola of Dhanu > Pancha Sputa : 20:50 Bharani of Mesha > > This should give you how much Mesha, Dhanu, Kanya are afflicted. > --\ ---------------------- > And So also Mars which is bearing the Lordsship of Gulika, Mrithyu, > Pancha Sputa, Gulika Navamsa. This is important since as per Vimshottari, > Moon-Mars-Saturn was till 04-Dec-2009. > --\ ---------------------- > > Ashtavarga Indication: > A) Points in the 8th house from Sun= 6 > B) Griha Pinda of Sun = 71 > (A X B) /12 = 6 (Kanya Rashi). Saturn when transiting through sign should bring ones death, provided other indications of Dasa etc falls in gear. > --\ ---------------------- > > Ayush - life span > from lagna- 35 years (2013). > from Chandra = 45 years (2024) > --\ --------------------- > > Though only one minute difference is given for the above Twin births, you will notice the difference in Kalachakra dasa. One could argue that this said killer combination might have occurred or shall occur in the other chart so what is the point. This is where the transit also plays an important part. > > On the D-Day Moon was in Mesha -Bharani Nakshtra, Mars debilated in Karkata along with Gulika (note the relationship of Gulika, Mars, Moon & both getting debilated in each other's sign) and Moon being the lord of Kalapurusha sthana for chest. Which should explain why he died of chest pain (heart disease). Again note the moon and its navamsa. > > --\ -------------------------- > In addition, thithy, karana, Ayana, Ritu, Maasa etc determine the D-Day of any event. > > --\ -------------------------- > > Finally, In reality it is rare that twins are born with a difference of only one minute. The actual difference could be anywhere between 3 to 15 minutes. This was the actual opinion of several gynecologist who actually perform the births. > --\ -------------------------- > > Hope this shall help you understand the differences and concepts of Kalachakra dasa, Ashta varga and to synchronize these with other indications. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 > > Sun, March 28, 2010 3:01:41 PM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > Dear Mishra Ji, > > What I have experienced is that the predictions or calculation related > to timings of Marriage and Death > are the most intriguing aspects of any chart. If jyotishis say that the > time of marriage will come in next 3 m0nths, a ray of marriage bliss is > kindled in the heart of the questioner. It is other matter that this > period of 3 months may go on happening and the marriage may take place > after ,say after 12 cycles of 3 months or may be 36 cycles also. This is > very simple ,because the maximum timings for marriage yoga go on > appearing in the birth charts to all of us, the jyotishis,everytime we > sudy any chart. > > Coming to death and the efficacy of Ashtak Varga about it. I do not > believe that any jyotishi can solely depend upon only the Ashtak Varga, > as there are a lot number of vargs,conditions, ayuryogas in a birth > chart, and it is ther most complicated excercise for any jyotishi. May > be, we could be able to see some death like situation . But, normally we > become wiser , after the event of death has occurred. > > Now your very interesting observation about the timing of death of one > of the Twins. This is again the real tough and very unfortunate time for > any jyotishi to calculate or tell wisely why only ONE of the twins has > died. There are hundereds of similarities in the birth charts of twins, > although few differences do appear in the higher Varga charts of the > twins, and we may be able to tell about the difference in behavioural > patters, tastes, intelligence level, education (one may be scoring less > marks compared to the other twin), their health, their career graph > etc(here too the biggest help comes in the way the problems,hurdles etc > are quesioned by their parents from a Jyotishi,or the jyotishi also > happens to observe the traits of the twins, if he happens to know the > family well. But again the jyotishis become helpless and frustrated, > when it comes to their marriages,spouse, progeny ,and lastly the death. > > I have faced such predicament and situations on 5-6 occassions about the > matters related to the previously stated fields of twins and on 2 > occasions the death of one of twins . The latest case is given below > for all jyotishis ,where there is no clear indication for death of one > of the twins. (This is copy of my mail send to a Guru, as I was not able > to pin point things correctly), and I did not get reply. > > ====== > > Dear Sir, > > One of my client was in touch with me for 9 months as he was not able > to take care of his newly wedded wife,due to his own indifferent > attitude,but was willing to change. He accepted my advice on some > mantras and his wife informed me in April that now he is normal and they > are leading happy life. > > I got a call from his wife stating that her husband has died of heart > attack on November,30 morning approx between 5-15, 5-20 AM, when he > awoke from his sleep,to get ready to go to the call centre; and > compalined severe pain in chest, and collapsed,with no signs of life, > before other family members could reach their room. > > The birth particulars of the Boy are : ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, > Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. > > During the telephonica chat , her sister in law also came on the line > and told me that Anuj has a twin brother and she is married to him. > Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. She was worried about > her husband. After this I have been examinig birth charts of both the > brothers. Their all divisional charts are same, and the difference > comes only in lagna of D-81 and D-108. > > The Mrityu Sahama of late Anuj is 4 Sc00'27.59 (Anu). > > The Mrityu Sahama of brother Amit is 3 Sc 33'25.72 (Anu) > > ( Venus was in 3 Sc 34.58.34 in Anu in the morning of 30th > November,2009) > > In their longitudes and basic info, the Kaala is 14 Ta 31'27.41-Rohi- 2 > for late Anuj and 14 Ta 31'27.59(Roh- 2)for Amit. I would like to mention > that apart from vimshotri and other related dashas, I have since > examined the Kalchakra Dasha of late Anuj and his twin Amit.This dasha > for Anuj is of Le from 16-08-2006 to 16-082011. Antardasha is of Ca from > 20-12-2008 till 07-01-2010. Deha dasha of Le-Ca-Ca-Li- Vi-Cn was > operative at the time of his death i.e. from 03:45:24 am on 30-11-2009. > As far I can analyse Mooon appears to have played major role as it is > lord of 8th house(placed in 9th house with Sun,Ju ,Ma,Ra in rashi chart) > and Ve the lord of 6th and 11th and Ma the lord of 5th and 12th have > also played their supportive role? > > Placement of Su,Ju,Ma,Ra in sign leo in rasi chart,which is aspected by > Ke from 3rd house also appear to have caused heart failure, as Ma and Ju > are deb in gochara and Ra is also aspecting sign Li,and Ju and Mo have > rashi drishti on sign le. > > Further, the KC dasha of Amit is also that of Le, but it commenced 8 > days later w.e.f. 24-08-2006 and he was running the dashas of > Le-Cn-Cn-Li- Aq-Ta from 04:50 am on 30-11-2009. In this case involvement > of Sa is also present, but mercifully he is hale and hearty,so far! I am > at a loss to work out the Ayur calculations for Amit and also utterly > confused, as to how to predict future for him. > > I can only add here that when yesterday late Anuj's wife was talking to > me she was repeating confidently that her husband will return to her in > the form of her child. I had a look at her D-7 and Narayan Dashas and > felt confident that she most probably had conceived about 3-4 days > before the death of her husband. When her sister-in-law talked to me, > she told that about 2 hours back family had taken the widowed girl to a > lady doctor, who told them that she will re-examine her on 11th > November ; and only then would be able to tell something. > > On 15th November,I was informed that the girl is indeed pregnant. I am > wonder struck on the ways of the destiny and the leela of God. I will > humbly request you to please give your expert opinion in this matter. I > shall be grateful for your guidance! Thanking you. > > ============ > > After waiting for the reply from Guruji, I send the mail to another Guru > and I got a reply from him that for the twins, the lagna of the younger > one should be examined by taking the 3rd house as his lagna,but he > informed that he will not be able to divulge more about this Rule. I > just felt satisfied, as a student of jyotish. > > Since I have found that this is the right time for me to share this with > all jyotishis, I have written this message,with the hope that it could > prove useful for all. > > But, Mishraji, I have one humble request for you and few other members, > we are in the field of jyotish for learning and not in a AKHHARA for a > MAL-L Yudha ! With my best regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Suresh Babu Ji, I simply liked your such a detailed analysis. Your previous two analysis were also in-depth analysis. I could not see any reason why you apprehended that there could be controversy. You would have please seen that I had admitted my failure and predicament while doing the analysis of the twins. Your analysis has helped me really! Thanks a lot. Could you also share with me what software you use. As far me, I use JHora. With my best regards. Raj Bhrdwaj , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji & others, > > I don't want to engage in controversies, But those who are serious would find the following adequate in explaining the event and the differences in the two charts. > > > ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, > Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. > > Date of Death : 30-11-2009 > > Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Makara-Mithuna till 30-Nov-2009 > > MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 31-Dec-08 > MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 14-Jan-09 > MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 28-Jan-09 > MESHA DHANUS KANYA 28-Feb-09 > MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 18-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 30-May-09 > MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 1-Jul-09 > MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 25-Aug-09 > MESHA DHANUS MESHA 19-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 24-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 30-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA KANYA 12-Oct-09 > MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 19-Oct-09 > MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 18-Nov-09 > MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 30-Nov-09 > MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 23-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA MESHA 1-Jan-10 > MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 15-Jan-10 > > --\ ----- > Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. > Still Living > Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Dhanu-Mesha till 04-Dec-2009 > > Full kalachakra during the period > > MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 17-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 31-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 14-Apr-09 > MESHA DHANUS KANYA 15-May-09 > MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 2-Jun-09 > MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 14-Aug-09 > MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 15-Sep-09 > MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 9-Nov-09 > MESHA DHANUS MESHA 4-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 9-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 15-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA KANYA 27-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 3-Jan-10 > MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 2-Feb-10 > MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 14-Feb-10 > MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 9-Mar-10 > MESHA MAKARA MESHA 18-Mar-10 > MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 1-Apr-10 > --\ --------------- > Both are of > Dasa Group : Apasavya - Rohini (85) > Kalachakra : KANYA, SIMHA, KARKATA, MITHUNA, VRISHA, MESHA, DHANUS, MAKARA, KUMBHA > > Being Apasavya group: Kanya is the Jeeva Rashi & Kumbha is the Deha Rashi. > --\ ------------------- > > Mesha : Is having Gulika, but also aspected by Jupiter(Lagna lord). > Dhanu is lagna rashi with Venus (6th & 11nth lord). > Makara is Maraka Rashi with Saturn's Navamsa. > Mithuna is Maraka Rashi with Navamsa of Moon (8th lord) + Rahu and aspected by Saturn (10th aspect). > > Kanya : Jeeva Rashi is having Saturn which is Maraka Sthanadhipathy and Ketu Rashyadhipathy. So its navamsa in Makara is not beneficial nor for Jeeva. > --\ --------------------- > Prana sputa : 22:56 Hastha Nakshatra of Kanya > Deha Sputa : 27:21 Purva Badhrapada of Kumbha > Mrithyu Sputa: 23:35 Bharani of Mesha > Tri Sputa : 7:55 Krittika of Vrishabha > Chatu Sputa : 11:22 Moola of Dhanu > Pancha Sputa : 20:50 Bharani of Mesha > > This should give you how much Mesha, Dhanu, Kanya are afflicted. > --\ ---------------------- > And So also Mars which is bearing the Lordsship of Gulika, Mrithyu, > Pancha Sputa, Gulika Navamsa. This is important since as per Vimshottari, > Moon-Mars-Saturn was till 04-Dec-2009. > --\ ---------------------- > > Ashtavarga Indication: > A) Points in the 8th house from Sun= 6 > B) Griha Pinda of Sun = 71 > (A X B) /12 = 6 (Kanya Rashi). Saturn when transiting through sign should bring ones death, provided other indications of Dasa etc falls in gear. > --\ ---------------------- > > Ayush - life span > from lagna- 35 years (2013). > from Chandra = 45 years (2024) > --\ --------------------- > > Though only one minute difference is given for the above Twin births, you will notice the difference in Kalachakra dasa. One could argue that this said killer combination might have occurred or shall occur in the other chart so what is the point. This is where the transit also plays an important part. > > On the D-Day Moon was in Mesha -Bharani Nakshtra, Mars debilated in Karkata along with Gulika (note the relationship of Gulika, Mars, Moon & both getting debilated in each other's sign) and Moon being the lord of Kalapurusha sthana for chest. Which should explain why he died of chest pain (heart disease). Again note the moon and its navamsa. > > --\ -------------------------- > In addition, thithy, karana, Ayana, Ritu, Maasa etc determine the D-Day of any event. > > --\ -------------------------- > > Finally, In reality it is rare that twins are born with a difference of only one minute. The actual difference could be anywhere between 3 to 15 minutes. This was the actual opinion of several gynecologist who actually perform the births. > --\ -------------------------- > > Hope this shall help you understand the differences and concepts of Kalachakra dasa, Ashta varga and to synchronize these with other indications. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 > > Sun, March 28, 2010 3:01:41 PM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > Dear Mishra Ji, > > What I have experienced is that the predictions or calculation related > to timings of Marriage and Death > are the most intriguing aspects of any chart. If jyotishis say that the > time of marriage will come in next 3 m0nths, a ray of marriage bliss is > kindled in the heart of the questioner. It is other matter that this > period of 3 months may go on happening and the marriage may take place > after ,say after 12 cycles of 3 months or may be 36 cycles also. This is > very simple ,because the maximum timings for marriage yoga go on > appearing in the birth charts to all of us, the jyotishis,everytime we > sudy any chart. > > Coming to death and the efficacy of Ashtak Varga about it. I do not > believe that any jyotishi can solely depend upon only the Ashtak Varga, > as there are a lot number of vargs,conditions, ayuryogas in a birth > chart, and it is ther most complicated excercise for any jyotishi. May > be, we could be able to see some death like situation . But, normally we > become wiser , after the event of death has occurred. > > Now your very interesting observation about the timing of death of one > of the Twins. This is again the real tough and very unfortunate time for > any jyotishi to calculate or tell wisely why only ONE of the twins has > died. There are hundereds of similarities in the birth charts of twins, > although few differences do appear in the higher Varga charts of the > twins, and we may be able to tell about the difference in behavioural > patters, tastes, intelligence level, education (one may be scoring less > marks compared to the other twin), their health, their career graph > etc(here too the biggest help comes in the way the problems,hurdles etc > are quesioned by their parents from a Jyotishi,or the jyotishi also > happens to observe the traits of the twins, if he happens to know the > family well. But again the jyotishis become helpless and frustrated, > when it comes to their marriages,spouse, progeny ,and lastly the death. > > I have faced such predicament and situations on 5-6 occassions about the > matters related to the previously stated fields of twins and on 2 > occasions the death of one of twins . The latest case is given below > for all jyotishis ,where there is no clear indication for death of one > of the twins. (This is copy of my mail send to a Guru, as I was not able > to pin point things correctly), and I did not get reply. > > ====== > > Dear Sir, > > One of my client was in touch with me for 9 months as he was not able > to take care of his newly wedded wife,due to his own indifferent > attitude,but was willing to change. He accepted my advice on some > mantras and his wife informed me in April that now he is normal and they > are leading happy life. > > I got a call from his wife stating that her husband has died of heart > attack on November,30 morning approx between 5-15, 5-20 AM, when he > awoke from his sleep,to get ready to go to the call centre; and > compalined severe pain in chest, and collapsed,with no signs of life, > before other family members could reach their room. > > The birth particulars of the Boy are : ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, > Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. > > During the telephonica chat , her sister in law also came on the line > and told me that Anuj has a twin brother and she is married to him. > Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. She was worried about > her husband. After this I have been examinig birth charts of both the > brothers. Their all divisional charts are same, and the difference > comes only in lagna of D-81 and D-108. > > The Mrityu Sahama of late Anuj is 4 Sc00'27.59 (Anu). > > The Mrityu Sahama of brother Amit is 3 Sc 33'25.72 (Anu) > > ( Venus was in 3 Sc 34.58.34 in Anu in the morning of 30th > November,2009) > > In their longitudes and basic info, the Kaala is 14 Ta 31'27.41-Rohi- 2 > for late Anuj and 14 Ta 31'27.59(Roh- 2)for Amit. I would like to mention > that apart from vimshotri and other related dashas, I have since > examined the Kalchakra Dasha of late Anuj and his twin Amit.This dasha > for Anuj is of Le from 16-08-2006 to 16-082011. Antardasha is of Ca from > 20-12-2008 till 07-01-2010. Deha dasha of Le-Ca-Ca-Li- Vi-Cn was > operative at the time of his death i.e. from 03:45:24 am on 30-11-2009. > As far I can analyse Mooon appears to have played major role as it is > lord of 8th house(placed in 9th house with Sun,Ju ,Ma,Ra in rashi chart) > and Ve the lord of 6th and 11th and Ma the lord of 5th and 12th have > also played their supportive role? > > Placement of Su,Ju,Ma,Ra in sign leo in rasi chart,which is aspected by > Ke from 3rd house also appear to have caused heart failure, as Ma and Ju > are deb in gochara and Ra is also aspecting sign Li,and Ju and Mo have > rashi drishti on sign le. > > Further, the KC dasha of Amit is also that of Le, but it commenced 8 > days later w.e.f. 24-08-2006 and he was running the dashas of > Le-Cn-Cn-Li- Aq-Ta from 04:50 am on 30-11-2009. In this case involvement > of Sa is also present, but mercifully he is hale and hearty,so far! I am > at a loss to work out the Ayur calculations for Amit and also utterly > confused, as to how to predict future for him. > > I can only add here that when yesterday late Anuj's wife was talking to > me she was repeating confidently that her husband will return to her in > the form of her child. I had a look at her D-7 and Narayan Dashas and > felt confident that she most probably had conceived about 3-4 days > before the death of her husband. When her sister-in-law talked to me, > she told that about 2 hours back family had taken the widowed girl to a > lady doctor, who told them that she will re-examine her on 11th > November ; and only then would be able to tell something. > > On 15th November,I was informed that the girl is indeed pregnant. I am > wonder struck on the ways of the destiny and the leela of God. I will > humbly request you to please give your expert opinion in this matter. I > shall be grateful for your guidance! Thanking you. > > ============ > > After waiting for the reply from Guruji, I send the mail to another Guru > and I got a reply from him that for the twins, the lagna of the younger > one should be examined by taking the 3rd house as his lagna,but he > informed that he will not be able to divulge more about this Rule. I > just felt satisfied, as a student of jyotish. > > Since I have found that this is the right time for me to share this with > all jyotishis, I have written this message,with the hope that it could > prove useful for all. > > But, Mishraji, I have one humble request for you and few other members, > we are in the field of jyotish for learning and not in a AKHHARA for a > MAL-L Yudha ! With my best regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Sir, Very convincing to illustrate two cases having one minute difference in birth time and to find that one had unfortunate end of life and the other not so. while arriving at such inferences how can Gochara/transit can be ignored?I feel transit too should have relevances in the case of fatalities,particulalrly mode of death etc? Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg Sunday, March 28, 2010, 9:15 AM  Dear All, One more addition which I missed to typed in the below message: This is regarding the wife carrying at the moment: Look at Kalachakra dasa sequence: Mesha,- Makara-Mithuna Mesha is the 5th house (Santha Sthana) aspected by Lagna lord which is also Santhana Karaka - Jupiter. Makara is Kutumba Sthana- Children complete a family. Mithuna - Kalatra Sthana. Hope this helps further in the study. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji & others, > > I don't want to engage in controversies, But those who are serious would find the following adequate in explaining the event and the differences in the two charts. > > > ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, > Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. > > Date of Death : 30-11-2009 > > Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Makara- Mithuna till 30-Nov-2009 > > MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 31-Dec-08 > MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 14-Jan-09 > MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 28-Jan-09 > MESHA DHANUS KANYA 28-Feb-09 > MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 18-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 30-May-09 > MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 1-Jul-09 > MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 25-Aug-09 > MESHA DHANUS MESHA 19-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 24-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 30-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA KANYA 12-Oct-09 > MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 19-Oct-09 > MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 18-Nov-09 > MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 30-Nov-09 > MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 23-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA MESHA 1-Jan-10 > MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 15-Jan-10 > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. > Still Living > Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Dhanu- Mesha till 04-Dec-2009 > > Full kalachakra during the period > > MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 17-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 31-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 14-Apr-09 > MESHA DHANUS KANYA 15-May-09 > MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 2-Jun-09 > MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 14-Aug-09 > MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 15-Sep-09 > MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 9-Nov-09 > MESHA DHANUS MESHA 4-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 9-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 15-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA KANYA 27-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 3-Jan-10 > MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 2-Feb-10 > MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 14-Feb-10 > MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 9-Mar-10 > MESHA MAKARA MESHA 18-Mar-10 > MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 1-Apr-10 > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Both are of > Dasa Group : Apasavya - Rohini (85) > Kalachakra : KANYA, SIMHA, KARKATA, MITHUNA, VRISHA, MESHA, DHANUS, MAKARA, KUMBHA > > Being Apasavya group: Kanya is the Jeeva Rashi & Kumbha is the Deha Rashi. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Mesha : Is having Gulika, but also aspected by Jupiter(Lagna lord). > Dhanu is lagna rashi with Venus (6th & 11nth lord). > Makara is Maraka Rashi with Saturn's Navamsa. > Mithuna is Maraka Rashi with Navamsa of Moon (8th lord) + Rahu and aspected by Saturn (10th aspect). > > Kanya : Jeeva Rashi is having Saturn which is Maraka Sthanadhipathy and Ketu Rashyadhipathy. So its navamsa in Makara is not beneficial nor for Jeeva. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Prana sputa : 22:56 Hastha Nakshatra of Kanya > Deha Sputa : 27:21 Purva Badhrapada of Kumbha > Mrithyu Sputa: 23:35 Bharani of Mesha > Tri Sputa : 7:55 Krittika of Vrishabha > Chatu Sputa : 11:22 Moola of Dhanu > Pancha Sputa : 20:50 Bharani of Mesha > > This should give you how much Mesha, Dhanu, Kanya are afflicted. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > And So also Mars which is bearing the Lordsship of Gulika, Mrithyu, > Pancha Sputa, Gulika Navamsa. This is important since as per Vimshottari, > Moon-Mars-Saturn was till 04-Dec-2009. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Ashtavarga Indication: > A) Points in the 8th house from Sun= 6 > B) Griha Pinda of Sun = 71 > (A X B) /12 = 6 (Kanya Rashi). Saturn when transiting through sign should bring ones death, provided other indications of Dasa etc falls in gear. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Ayush - life span > from lagna- 35 years (2013). > from Chandra = 45 years (2024) > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Though only one minute difference is given for the above Twin births, you will notice the difference in Kalachakra dasa. One could argue that this said killer combination might have occurred or shall occur in the other chart so what is the point. This is where the transit also plays an important part. > > On the D-Day Moon was in Mesha -Bharani Nakshtra, Mars debilated in Karkata along with Gulika (note the relationship of Gulika, Mars, Moon & both getting debilated in each other's sign) and Moon being the lord of Kalapurusha sthana for chest. Which should explain why he died of chest pain (heart disease). Again note the moon and its navamsa. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > In addition, thithy, karana, Ayana, Ritu, Maasa etc determine the D-Day of any event. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Finally, In reality it is rare that twins are born with a difference of only one minute. The actual difference could be anywhere between 3 to 15 minutes. This was the actual opinion of several gynecologist who actually perform the births. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Hope this shall help you understand the differences and concepts of Kalachakra dasa, Ashta varga and to synchronize these with other indications. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> > > Sun, March 28, 2010 3:01:41 PM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > Dear Mishra Ji, > > What I have experienced is that the predictions or calculation related > to timings of Marriage and Death > are the most intriguing aspects of any chart. If jyotishis say that the > time of marriage will come in next 3 m0nths, a ray of marriage bliss is > kindled in the heart of the questioner. It is other matter that this > period of 3 months may go on happening and the marriage may take place > after ,say after 12 cycles of 3 months or may be 36 cycles also. This is > very simple ,because the maximum timings for marriage yoga go on > appearing in the birth charts to all of us, the jyotishis,everytime we > sudy any chart. > > Coming to death and the efficacy of Ashtak Varga about it. I do not > believe that any jyotishi can solely depend upon only the Ashtak Varga, > as there are a lot number of vargs,conditions, ayuryogas in a birth > chart, and it is ther most complicated excercise for any jyotishi. May > be, we could be able to see some death like situation . But, normally we > become wiser , after the event of death has occurred. > > Now your very interesting observation about the timing of death of one > of the Twins. This is again the real tough and very unfortunate time for > any jyotishi to calculate or tell wisely why only ONE of the twins has > died. There are hundereds of similarities in the birth charts of twins, > although few differences do appear in the higher Varga charts of the > twins, and we may be able to tell about the difference in behavioural > patters, tastes, intelligence level, education (one may be scoring less > marks compared to the other twin), their health, their career graph > etc(here too the biggest help comes in the way the problems,hurdles etc > are quesioned by their parents from a Jyotishi,or the jyotishi also > happens to observe the traits of the twins, if he happens to know the > family well. But again the jyotishis become helpless and frustrated, > when it comes to their marriages,spouse, progeny ,and lastly the death. > > I have faced such predicament and situations on 5-6 occassions about the > matters related to the previously stated fields of twins and on 2 > occasions the death of one of twins . The latest case is given below > for all jyotishis ,where there is no clear indication for death of one > of the twins. (This is copy of my mail send to a Guru, as I was not able > to pin point things correctly), and I did not get reply. > > ====== > > Dear Sir, > > One of my client was in touch with me for 9 months as he was not able > to take care of his newly wedded wife,due to his own indifferent > attitude,but was willing to change. He accepted my advice on some > mantras and his wife informed me in April that now he is normal and they > are leading happy life. > > I got a call from his wife stating that her husband has died of heart > attack on November,30 morning approx between 5-15, 5-20 AM, when he > awoke from his sleep,to get ready to go to the call centre; and > compalined severe pain in chest, and collapsed,with no signs of life, > before other family members could reach their room. > > The birth particulars of the Boy are : ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, > Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. > > During the telephonica chat , her sister in law also came on the line > and told me that Anuj has a twin brother and she is married to him. > Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. She was worried about > her husband. After this I have been examinig birth charts of both the > brothers. Their all divisional charts are same, and the difference > comes only in lagna of D-81 and D-108. > > The Mrityu Sahama of late Anuj is 4 Sc00'27.59 (Anu). > > The Mrityu Sahama of brother Amit is 3 Sc 33'25.72 (Anu) > > ( Venus was in 3 Sc 34.58.34 in Anu in the morning of 30th > November,2009) > > In their longitudes and basic info, the Kaala is 14 Ta 31'27.41-Rohi- 2 > for late Anuj and 14 Ta 31'27.59(Roh- 2)for Amit. I would like to mention > that apart from vimshotri and other related dashas, I have since > examined the Kalchakra Dasha of late Anuj and his twin Amit.This dasha > for Anuj is of Le from 16-08-2006 to 16-082011. Antardasha is of Ca from > 20-12-2008 till 07-01-2010. Deha dasha of Le-Ca-Ca-Li- Vi-Cn was > operative at the time of his death i.e. from 03:45:24 am on 30-11-2009. > As far I can analyse Mooon appears to have played major role as it is > lord of 8th house(placed in 9th house with Sun,Ju ,Ma,Ra in rashi chart) > and Ve the lord of 6th and 11th and Ma the lord of 5th and 12th have > also played their supportive role? > > Placement of Su,Ju,Ma,Ra in sign leo in rasi chart,which is aspected by > Ke from 3rd house also appear to have caused heart failure, as Ma and Ju > are deb in gochara and Ra is also aspecting sign Li,and Ju and Mo have > rashi drishti on sign le. > > Further, the KC dasha of Amit is also that of Le, but it commenced 8 > days later w.e.f. 24-08-2006 and he was running the dashas of > Le-Cn-Cn-Li- Aq-Ta from 04:50 am on 30-11-2009. In this case involvement > of Sa is also present, but mercifully he is hale and hearty,so far! I am > at a loss to work out the Ayur calculations for Amit and also utterly > confused, as to how to predict future for him. > > I can only add here that when yesterday late Anuj's wife was talking to > me she was repeating confidently that her husband will return to her in > the form of her child. I had a look at her D-7 and Narayan Dashas and > felt confident that she most probably had conceived about 3-4 days > before the death of her husband. When her sister-in-law talked to me, > she told that about 2 hours back family had taken the widowed girl to a > lady doctor, who told them that she will re-examine her on 11th > November ; and only then would be able to tell something. > > On 15th November,I was informed that the girl is indeed pregnant. I am > wonder struck on the ways of the destiny and the leela of God. I will > humbly request you to please give your expert opinion in this matter. I > shall be grateful for your guidance! Thanking you. > > ============ > > After waiting for the reply from Guruji, I send the mail to another Guru > and I got a reply from him that for the twins, the lagna of the younger > one should be examined by taking the 3rd house as his lagna,but he > informed that he will not be able to divulge more about this Rule. I > just felt satisfied, as a student of jyotish. > > Since I have found that this is the right time for me to share this with > all jyotishis, I have written this message,with the hope that it could > prove useful for all. > > But, Mishraji, I have one humble request for you and few other members, > we are in the field of jyotish for learning and not in a AKHHARA for a > MAL-L Yudha ! With my best regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Dear Krishna ji, //while arriving at such inferences how can Gochara/transit can be ignored?I feel transit too should have relevances in the case of fatalities,particul alrly mode of death etc?// Absolutely true, pls go through both the messages on this. I have Illustrated dasa, ashtavarga and transit and how they work in tandem to fructify. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Mon, March 29, 2010 12:46:56 PM Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg Sir, Very convincing to illustrate two cases having one minute difference in birth time and to find that one had unfortunate end of life and the other not so. while arriving at such inferences how can Gochara/transit can be ignored?I feel transit too should have relevances in the case of fatalities,particul alrly mode of death etc? Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg Sunday, March 28, 2010, 9:15 AM Dear All, One more addition which I missed to typed in the below message: This is regarding the wife carrying at the moment: Look at Kalachakra dasa sequence: Mesha,- Makara-Mithuna Mesha is the 5th house (Santha Sthana) aspected by Lagna lord which is also Santhana Karaka - Jupiter. Makara is Kutumba Sthana- Children complete a family. Mithuna - Kalatra Sthana. Hope this helps further in the study. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji & others, > > I don't want to engage in controversies, But those who are serious would find the following adequate in explaining the event and the differences in the two charts. > > > ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, > Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. > > Date of Death : 30-11-2009 > > Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Makara- Mithuna till 30-Nov-2009 > > MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 31-Dec-08 > MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 14-Jan-09 > MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 28-Jan-09 > MESHA DHANUS KANYA 28-Feb-09 > MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 18-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 30-May-09 > MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 1-Jul-09 > MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 25-Aug-09 > MESHA DHANUS MESHA 19-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 24-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 30-Sep-09 > MESHA MAKARA KANYA 12-Oct-09 > MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 19-Oct-09 > MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 18-Nov-09 > MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 30-Nov-09 > MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 23-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA MESHA 1-Jan-10 > MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 15-Jan-10 > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. > Still Living > Kalachakra dasa : Mesha-Dhanu- Mesha till 04-Dec-2009 > > Full kalachakra during the period > > MESHA DHANUS DHANUS 17-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS MAKARA 31-Mar-09 > MESHA DHANUS KUMBHA 14-Apr-09 > MESHA DHANUS KANYA 15-May-09 > MESHA DHANUS SIMHA 2-Jun-09 > MESHA DHANUS KARKATA 14-Aug-09 > MESHA DHANUS MITHUNA 15-Sep-09 > MESHA DHANUS VRISHA 9-Nov-09 > MESHA DHANUS MESHA 4-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA MAKARA 9-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA KUMBHA 15-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA KANYA 27-Dec-09 > MESHA MAKARA SIMHA 3-Jan-10 > MESHA MAKARA KARKATA 2-Feb-10 > MESHA MAKARA MITHUNA 14-Feb-10 > MESHA MAKARA VRISHA 9-Mar-10 > MESHA MAKARA MESHA 18-Mar-10 > MESHA MAKARA DHANUS 1-Apr-10 > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Both are of > Dasa Group : Apasavya - Rohini (85) > Kalachakra : KANYA, SIMHA, KARKATA, MITHUNA, VRISHA, MESHA, DHANUS, MAKARA, KUMBHA > > Being Apasavya group: Kanya is the Jeeva Rashi & Kumbha is the Deha Rashi. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Mesha : Is having Gulika, but also aspected by Jupiter(Lagna lord). > Dhanu is lagna rashi with Venus (6th & 11nth lord). > Makara is Maraka Rashi with Saturn's Navamsa. > Mithuna is Maraka Rashi with Navamsa of Moon (8th lord) + Rahu and aspected by Saturn (10th aspect). > > Kanya : Jeeva Rashi is having Saturn which is Maraka Sthanadhipathy and Ketu Rashyadhipathy. So its navamsa in Makara is not beneficial nor for Jeeva. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Prana sputa : 22:56 Hastha Nakshatra of Kanya > Deha Sputa : 27:21 Purva Badhrapada of Kumbha > Mrithyu Sputa: 23:35 Bharani of Mesha > Tri Sputa : 7:55 Krittika of Vrishabha > Chatu Sputa : 11:22 Moola of Dhanu > Pancha Sputa : 20:50 Bharani of Mesha > > This should give you how much Mesha, Dhanu, Kanya are afflicted. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > And So also Mars which is bearing the Lordsship of Gulika, Mrithyu, > Pancha Sputa, Gulika Navamsa. This is important since as per Vimshottari, > Moon-Mars-Saturn was till 04-Dec-2009. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Ashtavarga Indication: > A) Points in the 8th house from Sun= 6 > B) Griha Pinda of Sun = 71 > (A X B) /12 = 6 (Kanya Rashi). Saturn when transiting through sign should bring ones death, provided other indications of Dasa etc falls in gear. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Ayush - life span > from lagna- 35 years (2013). > from Chandra = 45 years (2024) > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Though only one minute difference is given for the above Twin births, you will notice the difference in Kalachakra dasa. One could argue that this said killer combination might have occurred or shall occur in the other chart so what is the point. This is where the transit also plays an important part. > > On the D-Day Moon was in Mesha -Bharani Nakshtra, Mars debilated in Karkata along with Gulika (note the relationship of Gulika, Mars, Moon & both getting debilated in each other's sign) and Moon being the lord of Kalapurusha sthana for chest. Which should explain why he died of chest pain (heart disease). Again note the moon and its navamsa. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > In addition, thithy, karana, Ayana, Ritu, Maasa etc determine the D-Day of any event. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Finally, In reality it is rare that twins are born with a difference of only one minute. The actual difference could be anywhere between 3 to 15 minutes. This was the actual opinion of several gynecologist who actually perform the births. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Hope this shall help you understand the differences and concepts of Kalachakra dasa, Ashta varga and to synchronize these with other indications. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> > > Sun, March 28, 2010 3:01:41 PM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > Dear Mishra Ji, > > What I have experienced is that the predictions or calculation related > to timings of Marriage and Death > are the most intriguing aspects of any chart. If jyotishis say that the > time of marriage will come in next 3 m0nths, a ray of marriage bliss is > kindled in the heart of the questioner. It is other matter that this > period of 3 months may go on happening and the marriage may take place > after ,say after 12 cycles of 3 months or may be 36 cycles also. This is > very simple ,because the maximum timings for marriage yoga go on > appearing in the birth charts to all of us, the jyotishis,everytime we > sudy any chart. > > Coming to death and the efficacy of Ashtak Varga about it. I do not > believe that any jyotishi can solely depend upon only the Ashtak Varga, > as there are a lot number of vargs,conditions, ayuryogas in a birth > chart, and it is ther most complicated excercise for any jyotishi. May > be, we could be able to see some death like situation . But, normally we > become wiser , after the event of death has occurred. > > Now your very interesting observation about the timing of death of one > of the Twins. This is again the real tough and very unfortunate time for > any jyotishi to calculate or tell wisely why only ONE of the twins has > died. There are hundereds of similarities in the birth charts of twins, > although few differences do appear in the higher Varga charts of the > twins, and we may be able to tell about the difference in behavioural > patters, tastes, intelligence level, education (one may be scoring less > marks compared to the other twin), their health, their career graph > etc(here too the biggest help comes in the way the problems,hurdles etc > are quesioned by their parents from a Jyotishi,or the jyotishi also > happens to observe the traits of the twins, if he happens to know the > family well. But again the jyotishis become helpless and frustrated, > when it comes to their marriages,spouse, progeny ,and lastly the death. > > I have faced such predicament and situations on 5-6 occassions about the > matters related to the previously stated fields of twins and on 2 > occasions the death of one of twins . The latest case is given below > for all jyotishis ,where there is no clear indication for death of one > of the twins. (This is copy of my mail send to a Guru, as I was not able > to pin point things correctly), and I did not get reply. > > ====== > > Dear Sir, > > One of my client was in touch with me for 9 months as he was not able > to take care of his newly wedded wife,due to his own indifferent > attitude,but was willing to change. He accepted my advice on some > mantras and his wife informed me in April that now he is normal and they > are leading happy life. > > I got a call from his wife stating that her husband has died of heart > attack on November,30 morning approx between 5-15, 5-20 AM, when he > awoke from his sleep,to get ready to go to the call centre; and > compalined severe pain in chest, and collapsed,with no signs of life, > before other family members could reach their room. > > The birth particulars of the Boy are : ANUJ ,Date 10th December 1979, > Time 8:01 AM, Delhi. > > During the telephonica chat , her sister in law also came on the line > and told me that Anuj has a twin brother and she is married to him. > Name:- AMIT,10 December,1979, Time 8.00 AM, Delhi. She was worried about > her husband. After this I have been examinig birth charts of both the > brothers. Their all divisional charts are same, and the difference > comes only in lagna of D-81 and D-108. > > The Mrityu Sahama of late Anuj is 4 Sc00'27.59 (Anu). > > The Mrityu Sahama of brother Amit is 3 Sc 33'25.72 (Anu) > > ( Venus was in 3 Sc 34.58.34 in Anu in the morning of 30th > November,2009) > > In their longitudes and basic info, the Kaala is 14 Ta 31'27.41-Rohi- 2 > for late Anuj and 14 Ta 31'27.59(Roh- 2)for Amit. I would like to mention > that apart from vimshotri and other related dashas, I have since > examined the Kalchakra Dasha of late Anuj and his twin Amit.This dasha > for Anuj is of Le from 16-08-2006 to 16-082011. Antardasha is of Ca from > 20-12-2008 till 07-01-2010. Deha dasha of Le-Ca-Ca-Li- Vi-Cn was > operative at the time of his death i.e. from 03:45:24 am on 30-11-2009. > As far I can analyse Mooon appears to have played major role as it is > lord of 8th house(placed in 9th house with Sun,Ju ,Ma,Ra in rashi chart) > and Ve the lord of 6th and 11th and Ma the lord of 5th and 12th have > also played their supportive role? > > Placement of Su,Ju,Ma,Ra in sign leo in rasi chart,which is aspected by > Ke from 3rd house also appear to have caused heart failure, as Ma and Ju > are deb in gochara and Ra is also aspecting sign Li,and Ju and Mo have > rashi drishti on sign le. > > Further, the KC dasha of Amit is also that of Le, but it commenced 8 > days later w.e.f. 24-08-2006 and he was running the dashas of > Le-Cn-Cn-Li- Aq-Ta from 04:50 am on 30-11-2009. In this case involvement > of Sa is also present, but mercifully he is hale and hearty,so far! I am > at a loss to work out the Ayur calculations for Amit and also utterly > confused, as to how to predict future for him. > > I can only add here that when yesterday late Anuj's wife was talking to > me she was repeating confidently that her husband will return to her in > the form of her child. I had a look at her D-7 and Narayan Dashas and > felt confident that she most probably had conceived about 3-4 days > before the death of her husband. When her sister-in-law talked to me, > she told that about 2 hours back family had taken the widowed girl to a > lady doctor, who told them that she will re-examine her on 11th > November ; and only then would be able to tell something. > > On 15th November,I was informed that the girl is indeed pregnant. I am > wonder struck on the ways of the destiny and the leela of God. I will > humbly request you to please give your expert opinion in this matter. I > shall be grateful for your guidance! Thanking you. > > ============ > > After waiting for the reply from Guruji, I send the mail to another Guru > and I got a reply from him that for the twins, the lagna of the younger > one should be examined by taking the 3rd house as his lagna,but he > informed that he will not be able to divulge more about this Rule. I > just felt satisfied, as a student of jyotish. > > Since I have found that this is the right time for me to share this with > all jyotishis, I have written this message,with the hope that it could > prove useful for all. > > But, Mishraji, I have one humble request for you and few other members, > we are in the field of jyotish for learning and not in a AKHHARA for a > MAL-L Yudha ! With my best regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Respected Swamiji,The climax of Wisdom is called PRAGYA and I am trying hard to learn more and more thing from PRAGYA PURAN (Written by Ved Murty Taponishtha Pandit Sri Ram Sharma Acharyaji a world known Gayatri Siddha Sadhak & Founder of World Gayatri Parivar,Shantikunj Haridwar,Akhand Jyoti Sansthan, Mathura, U.P, Brahmavarchas Sodh Sansthan,Haridwar,Dev Sanskriti Visvavidyalya Haridwar,Uttarakhand)now wherein much has been writen about many Rishis and about their blessings and Rishi Ashtavakraji is also available therein.Please come to Shantikunj Haridwar,Uttarakhand once in your life. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra ________________________________ Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb Sat, March 27, 2010 10:48:31 PM Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg Dear Misra ji, Go to Google search , type Astavakra there is more than enough information than you can digest. BUT I am afraid it will not help you in such jyotish(oops- astrology) rules that you are looking for. Regards Kulbir Bains. On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > Respected Swami Kulvirji,So far I have been told Astavakraji was not > physically handsome but he was bestowed with immense divine knowledge.Every > thing is not available on net,so I thought it better to ask you and now it > depends upon you to reject or accept the prayer. > > With Thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > ________________________________ > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb <lalkitabkb%40gmail.com>> > > <%40> > Sat, March 27, 2010 7:18:10 PM > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > Bhai Misra ji; Shbhan Allah; Aafreen; Sadke jaun aapke; Surname Name Misra > and you ask about rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji.. if it is really > helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > Atleast you should have searched about Ahshtvakra on net before firing this > reply. > LOTS of I don't know WHAT? > Kulbir Bains. > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > dhirendranathmisra <dhirendranathmisra%40ymail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > know > > whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I > can > > infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me > any > > thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and > > further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to > enlighten > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab > if > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with > direct > > example. > > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani<jyotish_vani%40hotmail.com><jyotish_vani% > 40hotmail.com> > > > > > To: <%40><Jyotish_Rem\ edies% > 40> > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. > > ..> wrote: > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software > is > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to > make > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > are > > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > musicians > > or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > bring > > to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is > > very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with > > few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but > > they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their > own > > songs. > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Misra_jee, I am a bit surprised that a SuSanskrita respected Jyotishi of a Brahmin lineage is getting disturbed so readily instead of demonstrating your equanimity! Assuming that there are perhaps only about a billion Hindus (in India and abroad, and not forgetting the other religions within India and the atheists etc) -- that the remaining 6 billion human beings and counting, despite the 'doom-sayers' need to visit Hindu Dhaams in order to get salvation? What kind of hypocrisy is this on an ecclectic, forum where religion or religiousness had never been a 'ticket' for acceptance or respect? Is some strong heavenly influence going RETROGRADE in 2010? Rohiniranjan , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > Respected Swamiji,The climax of Wisdom is called PRAGYA and I am trying hard to learn more and more thing from PRAGYA PURAN (Written by Ved Murty Taponishtha > Pandit Sri Ram Sharma Acharyaji a world known Gayatri Siddha Sadhak & Founder of World Gayatri Parivar,Shantikunj Haridwar,Akhand Jyoti Sansthan, Mathura, U.P, Brahmavarchas Sodh Sansthan,Haridwar,Dev Sanskriti Visvavidyalya Haridwar,Uttarakhand)now wherein much has been writen about many Rishis and about their blessings and Rishi Ashtavakraji is also available therein.Please come to Shantikunj Haridwar,Uttarakhand once in your life. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > ________________________________ > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb > > Sat, March 27, 2010 10:48:31 PM > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > Dear Misra ji, Go to Google search , type Astavakra there is more than > enough information than you can digest. BUT I am afraid it will not help you > in such jyotish(oops- astrology) rules that you are looking for. > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Swami Kulvirji,So far I have been told Astavakraji was not > > physically handsome but he was bestowed with immense divine knowledge.Every > > thing is not available on net,so I thought it better to ask you and now it > > depends upon you to reject or accept the prayer. > > > > With Thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb <lalkitabkb%40gmail.com>> > > > > <%40> > > Sat, March 27, 2010 7:18:10 PM > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Bhai Misra ji; Shbhan Allah; Aafreen; Sadke jaun aapke; Surname Name Misra > > and you ask about rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji.. if it is really > > helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > > Atleast you should have searched about Ahshtvakra on net before firing this > > reply. > > LOTS of I don't know WHAT? > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > dhirendranathmisra <dhirendranathmisra%40ymail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > > know > > > whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I > > can > > > infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me > > any > > > thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and > > > further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to > > enlighten > > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab > > if > > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with > > direct > > > example. > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani<jyotish_vani%40hotmail.com><jyotish_vani% > > 40hotmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <%40><Jyotish_Rem\ edies% > > 40> > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ > > > ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software > > is > > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to > > make > > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > > are > > > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > > musicians > > > or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > > bring > > > to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is > > > very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with > > > few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but > > > they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their > > own > > > songs. > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Vedic Jyotisha is a part (anga or limb) of Veda and Veda means True Knowledge. It cannot be dissociated from real religion. Religion is not yajna, daana, tapa, poojaa, teerthaatana, etc. The latter are only tools of religion and not ends in themselves. Religion is awakening of Prajnaa (Pragya), knowledge of the real import of Veda. And Jyotisha is Eye of Veda. It is Jyotisha which opens our eyes towards everlasting truths about ourselves, about our previous lives and the results of our karmas in past lives which come in the form of horoscopes. It is Jyotisha which gives us proofs of supernatural powers which must be propitiated to ameliorate our conditions. Once we get convinced of the fact that we are more than mere physical bodies and that there are supernatural agencies, the real meaning of Veda starts unfolding. In order to make Jyotisha serve its true purpose, ancients had tried to keep it away from philistinism. In a public forum, everyone has a right to express his/her views about Jyotisha, but the original meaning of Vedic Jyotisha must not be suppressed in the name of eclecticism. All ancient texts of Vedic Jyotisha are highly religious in content. It is wrong to secularize Vedic Jyotisha in the manner of physical sciences. The essence of Vedic Jyotisha is religion, because it is Eye of real religion. It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible. -VJ ============================= ==== , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Misra_jee, > > I am a bit surprised that a SuSanskrita respected Jyotishi of a Brahmin lineage is getting disturbed so readily instead of demonstrating your equanimity! > > Assuming that there are perhaps only about a billion Hindus (in India and abroad, and not forgetting the other religions within India and the atheists etc) -- that the remaining 6 billion human beings and counting, despite the 'doom-sayers' need to visit Hindu Dhaams in order to get salvation? > > What kind of hypocrisy is this on an ecclectic, forum where religion or religiousness had never been a 'ticket' for acceptance or respect? > > Is some strong heavenly influence going RETROGRADE in 2010? > > Rohiniranjan > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@> wrote: > > > > Respected Swamiji,The climax of Wisdom is called PRAGYA and I am trying hard to learn more and more thing from PRAGYA PURAN (Written by Ved Murty Taponishtha > > Pandit Sri Ram Sharma Acharyaji a world known Gayatri Siddha Sadhak & Founder of World Gayatri Parivar,Shantikunj Haridwar,Akhand Jyoti Sansthan, Mathura, U.P, Brahmavarchas Sodh Sansthan,Haridwar,Dev Sanskriti Visvavidyalya Haridwar,Uttarakhand)now wherein much has been writen about many Rishis and about their blessings and Rishi Ashtavakraji is also available therein.Please come to Shantikunj Haridwar,Uttarakhand once in your life. > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 10:48:31 PM > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > Dear Misra ji, Go to Google search , type Astavakra there is more than > > enough information than you can digest. BUT I am afraid it will not help you > > in such jyotish(oops- astrology) rules that you are looking for. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > dhirendranathmisra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Swami Kulvirji,So far I have been told Astavakraji was not > > > physically handsome but he was bestowed with immense divine knowledge.Every > > > thing is not available on net,so I thought it better to ask you and now it > > > depends upon you to reject or accept the prayer. > > > > > > With Thanks & regards, > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ <lalkitabkb%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > <%40> > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 7:18:10 PM > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > Bhai Misra ji; Shbhan Allah; Aafreen; Sadke jaun aapke; Surname Name Misra > > > and you ask about rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji.. if it is really > > > helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > > > Atleast you should have searched about Ahshtvakra on net before firing this > > > reply. > > > LOTS of I don't know WHAT? > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > dhirendranathmisra@ <dhirendranathmisra%40ymail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > > > know > > > > whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I > > > can > > > > infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me > > > any > > > > thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and > > > > further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to > > > enlighten > > > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab > > > if > > > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with > > > direct > > > > example. > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@<jyotish_vani%40hotmail.com><jyotish_vani% > > > 40hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > To: <%40><Jyotish_Rem\ edies% > > > 40> > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ > > > > ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software > > > is > > > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to > > > make > > > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > > > are > > > > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > > > musicians > > > > or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > > > bring > > > > to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is > > > > very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with > > > > few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but > > > > they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their > > > own > > > > songs. > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 SiRR ji, socha KOOCHE KO TERE CHOD KAR JOGI HI BAN JAYEIN, MAGAR JANGAL TERE, PARBAT TERE, BASTI TERI, SEHRA TERA! Regards KB On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:28 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > So what you are saying is: Buddha walked away from his wife and son to > illuminate the Universe! In doing so, was he inculcating some KARMA towards > his wife and son (and others?) > > YOU BET! That is why HE had to return to the world and pay his dues! > > Just as all monks must! Pay their dues to the society that fed and educated > and raised them -- which they just left on some whim beatnic or otherwise! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Dear Vinay jee, In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic planets are always found to be benefic. "  so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception.  regards santhosh  ________________________________ VJha <vinayjhaa16 Tue, 30 March, 2010 7:40:42 AM Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg  Vedic Jyotisha is a part (anga or limb) of Veda and Veda means True Knowledge. It cannot be dissociated from real religion. Religion is not yajna, daana, tapa, poojaa, teerthaatana, etc. The latter are only tools of religion and not ends in themselves. Religion is awakening of Prajnaa (Pragya), knowledge of the real import of Veda. And Jyotisha is Eye of Veda. It is Jyotisha which opens our eyes towards everlasting truths about ourselves, about our previous lives and the results of our karmas in past lives which come in the form of horoscopes. It is Jyotisha which gives us proofs of supernatural powers which must be propitiated to ameliorate our conditions. Once we get convinced of the fact that we are more than mere physical bodies and that there are supernatural agencies, the real meaning of Veda starts unfolding. In order to make Jyotisha serve its true purpose, ancients had tried to keep it away from philistinism. In a public forum, everyone has a right to express his/her views about Jyotisha, but the original meaning of Vedic Jyotisha must not be suppressed in the name of eclecticism. All ancient texts of Vedic Jyotisha are highly religious in content. It is wrong to secularize Vedic Jyotisha in the manner of physical sciences. The essence of Vedic Jyotisha is religion, because it is Eye of real religion. It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible. -VJ ============ ========= ======== ==== , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Misra_jee, > > I am a bit surprised that a SuSanskrita respected Jyotishi of a Brahmin lineage is getting disturbed so readily instead of demonstrating your equanimity! > > Assuming that there are perhaps only about a billion Hindus (in India and abroad, and not forgetting the other religions within India and the atheists etc) -- that the remaining 6 billion human beings and counting, despite the 'doom-sayers' need to visit Hindu Dhaams in order to get salvation? > > What kind of hypocrisy is this on an ecclectic, forum where religion or religiousness had never been a 'ticket' for acceptance or respect? > > Is some strong heavenly influence going RETROGRADE in 2010? > > Rohiniranjan > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote: > > > > Respected Swamiji,The climax of Wisdom is called PRAGYA and I am trying hard to learn more and more thing from PRAGYA PURAN (Written by Ved Murty Taponishtha > > Pandit Sri Ram Sharma Acharyaji a world known Gayatri Siddha Sadhak & Founder of World Gayatri Parivar,Shantikunj Haridwar,Akhand Jyoti Sansthan, Mathura, U.P, Brahmavarchas Sodh Sansthan,Haridwar, Dev Sanskriti Visvavidyalya Haridwar,Uttarakhan d)now wherein much has been writen about many Rishis and about their blessings and Rishi Ashtavakraji is also available therein.Please come to Shantikunj Haridwar,Uttarakhan d once in your life. > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 10:48:31 PM > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > Dear Misra ji, Go to Google search , type Astavakra there is more than > > enough information than you can digest. BUT I am afraid it will not help you > > in such jyotish(oops- astrology) rules that you are looking for. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > dhirendranathmisra@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Swami Kulvirji,So far I have been told Astavakraji was not > > > physically handsome but he was bestowed with immense divine knowledge.Every > > > thing is not available on net,so I thought it better to ask you and now it > > > depends upon you to reject or accept the prayer. > > > > > > With Thanks & regards, > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ <lalkitabkb% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 7:18:10 PM > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > Bhai Misra ji; Shbhan Allah; Aafreen; Sadke jaun aapke; Surname Name Misra > > > and you ask about rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji. . if it is really > > > helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > > > Atleast you should have searched about Ahshtvakra on net before firing this > > > reply. > > > LOTS of I don't know WHAT? > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > dhirendranathmisra@ <dhirendranathmisra %40ymail. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > > > know > > > > whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I > > > can > > > > infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me > > > any > > > > thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and > > > > further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to > > > enlighten > > > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab > > > if > > > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with > > > direct > > > > example. > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ <jyotish_ vani%40hotmail. com><jyotish_ vani% > > > 40hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><Jyotish_ Remedies% > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ > > > > ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software > > > is > > > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to > > > make > > > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > > > are > > > > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > > > musicians > > > > or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > > > bring > > > > to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is > > > > very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with > > > > few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but > > > > they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their > > > own > > > > songs. > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Santosh ji, What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. Also give that law. It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. Cheers !!! Ash , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Vinay jee, > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > planets are always found to be benefic. " >  > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. >  > regards > santhosh >  > > > > > ________________________________ > VJha <vinayjhaa16 > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 7:40:42 AM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Vedic Jyotisha is a part (anga or limb) of Veda and Veda means True Knowledge. It cannot be dissociated from real religion. > > Religion is not yajna, daana, tapa, poojaa, teerthaatana, etc. The latter are only tools of religion and not ends in themselves. Religion is awakening of Prajnaa (Pragya), knowledge of the real import of Veda. And Jyotisha is Eye of Veda. It is Jyotisha which opens our eyes towards everlasting truths about ourselves, about our previous lives and the results of our karmas in past lives which come in the form of horoscopes. It is Jyotisha which gives us proofs of supernatural powers which must be propitiated to ameliorate our conditions. Once we get convinced of the fact that we are more than mere physical bodies and that there are supernatural agencies, the real meaning of Veda starts unfolding. In order to make Jyotisha serve its true purpose, ancients had tried to keep it away from philistinism. > > In a public forum, everyone has a right to express his/her views about Jyotisha, but the original meaning of Vedic Jyotisha must not be suppressed in the name of eclecticism. All ancient texts of Vedic Jyotisha are highly religious in content. It is wrong to secularize Vedic Jyotisha in the manner of physical sciences. The essence of Vedic Jyotisha is religion, because it is Eye of real religion. > > It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ======== ==== > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Misra_jee, > > > > I am a bit surprised that a SuSanskrita respected Jyotishi of a Brahmin lineage is getting disturbed so readily instead of demonstrating your equanimity! > > > > Assuming that there are perhaps only about a billion Hindus (in India and abroad, and not forgetting the other religions within India and the atheists etc) -- that the remaining 6 billion human beings and counting, despite the 'doom-sayers' need to visit Hindu Dhaams in order to get salvation? > > > > What kind of hypocrisy is this on an ecclectic, forum where religion or religiousness had never been a 'ticket' for acceptance or respect? > > > > Is some strong heavenly influence going RETROGRADE in 2010? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Swamiji,The climax of Wisdom is called PRAGYA and I am trying hard to learn more and more thing from PRAGYA PURAN (Written by Ved Murty Taponishtha > > > Pandit Sri Ram Sharma Acharyaji a world known Gayatri Siddha Sadhak & Founder of World Gayatri Parivar,Shantikunj Haridwar,Akhand Jyoti Sansthan, Mathura, U.P, Brahmavarchas Sodh Sansthan,Haridwar, Dev Sanskriti Visvavidyalya Haridwar,Uttarakhan d)now wherein much has been writen about many Rishis and about their blessings and Rishi Ashtavakraji is also available therein.Please come to Shantikunj Haridwar,Uttarakhan d once in your life. > > > With thanks & regards, > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 10:48:31 PM > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Dear Misra ji, Go to Google search , type Astavakra there is more than > > > enough information than you can digest. BUT I am afraid it will not help you > > > in such jyotish(oops- astrology) rules that you are looking for. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > dhirendranathmisra@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Swami Kulvirji,So far I have been told Astavakraji was not > > > > physically handsome but he was bestowed with immense divine knowledge.Every > > > > thing is not available on net,so I thought it better to ask you and now it > > > > depends upon you to reject or accept the prayer. > > > > > > > > With Thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ <lalkitabkb% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 7:18:10 PM > > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Misra ji; Shbhan Allah; Aafreen; Sadke jaun aapke; Surname Name Misra > > > > and you ask about rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji. . if it is really > > > > helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > > > > Atleast you should have searched about Ahshtvakra on net before firing this > > > > reply. > > > > LOTS of I don't know WHAT? > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > > dhirendranathmisra@ <dhirendranathmisra %40ymail. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > > > > know > > > > > whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I > > > > can > > > > > infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me > > > > any > > > > > thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and > > > > > further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > > > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to > > > > enlighten > > > > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab > > > > if > > > > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with > > > > direct > > > > > example. > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ <jyotish_ vani%40hotmail. com><jyotish_ vani% > > > > 40hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><Jyotish_ Remedies% > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > > > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ > > > > > ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > > > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > > > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software > > > > is > > > > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > > > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > > > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to > > > > make > > > > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > > > > are > > > > > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > > > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > > > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > > > > musicians > > > > > or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > > > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > > > > bring > > > > > to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > > > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is > > > > > very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with > > > > > few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but > > > > > they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their > > > > own > > > > > songs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Pujay shri Ash ji While going through the reply to shri Santosh ji, has raised a question in my mind and I trust you would not mind to analyse about Jupiter [guru] in my chart. As there were two different opinion in the past as guru is in 12Th house with Venus - although I do not know from the Bindu point of view. Problems, I have faced are  numerous but lately - health has become a real problems for myself and for better-half also. Thanking you in anticipation for your help with Regards pdk ________________________________ ashsam73 <kas Tue, 30 March, 2010 14:13:08 Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg  Santosh ji, What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. Also give that law. It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. Cheers !!! Ash , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay jee, > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > planets are always found to be benefic. " >  > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. >  > regards > santhosh >  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 7:40:42 AM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Vedic Jyotisha is a part (anga or limb) of Veda and Veda means True Knowledge. It cannot be dissociated from real religion. > > Religion is not yajna, daana, tapa, poojaa, teerthaatana, etc. The latter are only tools of religion and not ends in themselves. Religion is awakening of Prajnaa (Pragya), knowledge of the real import of Veda. And Jyotisha is Eye of Veda. It is Jyotisha which opens our eyes towards everlasting truths about ourselves, about our previous lives and the results of our karmas in past lives which come in the form of horoscopes. It is Jyotisha which gives us proofs of supernatural powers which must be propitiated to ameliorate our conditions. Once we get convinced of the fact that we are more than mere physical bodies and that there are supernatural agencies, the real meaning of Veda starts unfolding. In order to make Jyotisha serve its true purpose, ancients had tried to keep it away from philistinism. > > In a public forum, everyone has a right to express his/her views about Jyotisha, but the original meaning of Vedic Jyotisha must not be suppressed in the name of eclecticism. All ancient texts of Vedic Jyotisha are highly religious in content. It is wrong to secularize Vedic Jyotisha in the manner of physical sciences. The essence of Vedic Jyotisha is religion, because it is Eye of real religion. > > It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ======== ==== > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Misra_jee, > > > > I am a bit surprised that a SuSanskrita respected Jyotishi of a Brahmin lineage is getting disturbed so readily instead of demonstrating your equanimity! > > > > Assuming that there are perhaps only about a billion Hindus (in India and abroad, and not forgetting the other religions within India and the atheists etc) -- that the remaining 6 billion human beings and counting, despite the 'doom-sayers' need to visit Hindu Dhaams in order to get salvation? > > > > What kind of hypocrisy is this on an ecclectic, forum where religion or religiousness had never been a 'ticket' for acceptance or respect? > > > > Is some strong heavenly influence going RETROGRADE in 2010? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Swamiji,The climax of Wisdom is called PRAGYA and I am trying hard to learn more and more thing from PRAGYA PURAN (Written by Ved Murty Taponishtha > > > Pandit Sri Ram Sharma Acharyaji a world known Gayatri Siddha Sadhak & Founder of World Gayatri Parivar,Shantikunj Haridwar,Akhand Jyoti Sansthan, Mathura, U.P, Brahmavarchas Sodh Sansthan,Haridwar, Dev Sanskriti Visvavidyalya Haridwar,Uttarakhan d)now wherein much has been writen about many Rishis and about their blessings and Rishi Ashtavakraji is also available therein.Please come to Shantikunj Haridwar,Uttarakhan d once in your life. > > > With thanks & regards, > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 10:48:31 PM > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Dear Misra ji, Go to Google search , type Astavakra there is more than > > > enough information than you can digest. BUT I am afraid it will not help you > > > in such jyotish(oops- astrology) rules that you are looking for. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > dhirendranathmisra@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Swami Kulvirji,So far I have been told Astavakraji was not > > > > physically handsome but he was bestowed with immense divine knowledge.Every > > > > thing is not available on net,so I thought it better to ask you and now it > > > > depends upon you to reject or accept the prayer. > > > > > > > > With Thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ <lalkitabkb% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 7:18:10 PM > > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Misra ji; Shbhan Allah; Aafreen; Sadke jaun aapke; Surname Name Misra > > > > and you ask about rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji. . if it is really > > > > helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > > > > Atleast you should have searched about Ahshtvakra on net before firing this > > > > reply. > > > > LOTS of I don't know WHAT? > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > > dhirendranathmisra@ <dhirendranathmisra %40ymail. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > > > > know > > > > > whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I > > > > can > > > > > infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me > > > > any > > > > > thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and > > > > > further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > > > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to > > > > enlighten > > > > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab > > > > if > > > > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with > > > > direct > > > > > example. > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ <jyotish_ vani%40hotmail. com><jyotish_ vani% > > > > 40hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com><Jyotish_ Remedies% > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > > > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ > > > > > ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > > > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > > > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software > > > > is > > > > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > > > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > > > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to > > > > make > > > > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > > > > are > > > > > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > > > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > > > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > > > > musicians > > > > > or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > > > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > > > > bring > > > > > to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > > > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is > > > > > very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with > > > > > few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but > > > > > they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their > > > > own > > > > > songs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Santhosh Panicker Ji says : <<< In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. >>> The tery term " Hindu " is an invention of the muslims. Your statement that there was no Dharma/religion in ancient India implies muslims introduced this concept into India and made this nation dharmic / religious !! In other words, this nation was inhabited with only Kafirs before muslims taught the concept of religion to Kafirs and converted some of them. This thread was started with a request for explaining AV, and KAS was added as an extra point. -VJ ======================== == , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Vinay jee, > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > planets are always found to be benefic. " >  > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. >  > regards > santhosh >  > > > > > ________________________________ > VJha <vinayjhaa16 > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 7:40:42 AM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Vedic Jyotisha is a part (anga or limb) of Veda and Veda means True Knowledge. It cannot be dissociated from real religion. > > Religion is not yajna, daana, tapa, poojaa, teerthaatana, etc. The latter are only tools of religion and not ends in themselves. Religion is awakening of Prajnaa (Pragya), knowledge of the real import of Veda. And Jyotisha is Eye of Veda. It is Jyotisha which opens our eyes towards everlasting truths about ourselves, about our previous lives and the results of our karmas in past lives which come in the form of horoscopes. It is Jyotisha which gives us proofs of supernatural powers which must be propitiated to ameliorate our conditions. Once we get convinced of the fact that we are more than mere physical bodies and that there are supernatural agencies, the real meaning of Veda starts unfolding. In order to make Jyotisha serve its true purpose, ancients had tried to keep it away from philistinism. > > In a public forum, everyone has a right to express his/her views about Jyotisha, but the original meaning of Vedic Jyotisha must not be suppressed in the name of eclecticism. All ancient texts of Vedic Jyotisha are highly religious in content. It is wrong to secularize Vedic Jyotisha in the manner of physical sciences. The essence of Vedic Jyotisha is religion, because it is Eye of real religion. > > It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ======== ==== > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Misra_jee, > > > > I am a bit surprised that a SuSanskrita respected Jyotishi of a Brahmin lineage is getting disturbed so readily instead of demonstrating your equanimity! > > > > Assuming that there are perhaps only about a billion Hindus (in India and abroad, and not forgetting the other religions within India and the atheists etc) -- that the remaining 6 billion human beings and counting, despite the 'doom-sayers' need to visit Hindu Dhaams in order to get salvation? > > > > What kind of hypocrisy is this on an ecclectic, forum where religion or religiousness had never been a 'ticket' for acceptance or respect? > > > > Is some strong heavenly influence going RETROGRADE in 2010? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Swamiji,The climax of Wisdom is called PRAGYA and I am trying hard to learn more and more thing from PRAGYA PURAN (Written by Ved Murty Taponishtha > > > Pandit Sri Ram Sharma Acharyaji a world known Gayatri Siddha Sadhak & Founder of World Gayatri Parivar,Shantikunj Haridwar,Akhand Jyoti Sansthan, Mathura, U.P, Brahmavarchas Sodh Sansthan,Haridwar, Dev Sanskriti Visvavidyalya Haridwar,Uttarakhan d)now wherein much has been writen about many Rishis and about their blessings and Rishi Ashtavakraji is also available therein.Please come to Shantikunj Haridwar,Uttarakhan d once in your life. > > > With thanks & regards, > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 10:48:31 PM > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Dear Misra ji, Go to Google search , type Astavakra there is more than > > > enough information than you can digest. BUT I am afraid it will not help you > > > in such jyotish(oops- astrology) rules that you are looking for. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > dhirendranathmisra@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Swami Kulvirji,So far I have been told Astavakraji was not > > > > physically handsome but he was bestowed with immense divine knowledge.Every > > > > thing is not available on net,so I thought it better to ask you and now it > > > > depends upon you to reject or accept the prayer. > > > > > > > > With Thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ <lalkitabkb% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 7:18:10 PM > > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Misra ji; Shbhan Allah; Aafreen; Sadke jaun aapke; Surname Name Misra > > > > and you ask about rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji. . if it is really > > > > helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > > > > Atleast you should have searched about Ahshtvakra on net before firing this > > > > reply. > > > > LOTS of I don't know WHAT? > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > > dhirendranathmisra@ <dhirendranathmisra %40ymail. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > > > > know > > > > > whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I > > > > can > > > > > infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me > > > > any > > > > > thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and > > > > > further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > > > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to > > > > enlighten > > > > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab > > > > if > > > > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with > > > > direct > > > > > example. > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ <jyotish_ vani%40hotmail. com><jyotish_ vani% > > > > 40hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><Jyotish_ Remedies% > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > > > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ > > > > > ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > > > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > > > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software > > > > is > > > > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > > > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > > > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to > > > > make > > > > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > > > > are > > > > > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > > > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > > > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > > > > musicians > > > > > or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > > > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > > > > bring > > > > > to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > > > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is > > > > > very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with > > > > > few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but > > > > > they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their > > > > own > > > > > songs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Dear Vinay Jha Ji, The word " religion " as it is used today does not have an obvious pre-colonial translation into non-European languages. What the West and the history of religions in its wake have objectified under the name 'religion' is something quite unique, which could be appropriate only to itself and its own history. The words used in other languages for similar concepts, such as dharma, bhakti, Tao, or Islam, have vastly different histories. The history of other culture's interaction with the religious category is therefore their interaction with an idea that first developed in Europe under the influence of christianity. hence when you use the wors such as dharma, instead of religion things appear more in proper perspective. That's all I meant.  //The tery term " Hindu " is an invention of the muslims// ABSOLUTELY WRONG.  The first known use of the term is on an inscription which dates to around 252 CE, commissioned by the Persian king, Shapur I, and mentions Hindustan as one of the areas over which he rules. 252CE was pre Islamic period of Persia. The islamic period began only in 650CE. hence please dont confuse persia with islam or muslim. In this connection it is also important to note that in the word Hindustan the 'dus' was pronounced as 'dus' in the word 'dust'. and not like 'doos'. And the word 'Hindus' (pronounced like Hindas and not Hindoos) meant the land of water. Ours was a land with plentyful water with the Ganga, Yamuna and so many other female rivers and one Huge MALE river Brahmaputra. Hence the word Hindustan meant land of pletiful water and it had nothing to with religion or dharma.  Regards and Thanks santhosh  ________________________________ VJha <vinayjhaa16 Wed, 31 March, 2010 8:45:26 AM Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg  Santhosh Panicker Ji says : In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. The tery term " Hindu " is an invention of the muslims. Your statement that there was no Dharma/religion in ancient India implies muslims introduced this concept into India and made this nation dharmic / religious !! In other words, this nation was inhabited with only Kafirs before muslims taught the concept of religion to Kafirs and converted some of them. This thread was started with a request for explaining AV, and KAS was added as an extra point. -VJ ============ ========= === == , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: Dear Vinay jee,  In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear.  //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.//  the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences.  " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a  malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that  the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic  planets are always found to be benefic. "  so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception.  regards  santhosh Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Dear Ash Ji, Obviously, my quote looks to be out of context. so what you are saying is this should be read in tandem with the bindus secured by the malefics and benifics. no offence intended. some such lines in the KAS material was disuading me from exploring it further. obviously i have not done my homework properly. Thanks santhosh  ________________________________ ashsam73 <kas Tue, 30 March, 2010 6:43:08 PM Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg  Santosh ji, What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. Also give that law. It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. Cheers !!! Ash , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay jee, > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > planets are always found to be benefic. " >  > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. >  > regards > santhosh >  The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Dear Ash, //Also give that law.It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result,particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus// Guru as lord of 6th house will also own either the 3rd house or 9th house.Can we ignore the lordship of Guru in other houses. During Mahadasha of Guru and Antar/pratayntar of Guru, benefic/malefic result of witch house will given first and which house will be given later during it's relevant dasha period. I am giving the situation in Vimshotri. irst ahouse of which //Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging// Damaging but during which time,during transit in this house,I believe. But can specific results of malefic/benfic results can be worked out only with the position of Guru in a particular sign ? What will be effect of other related planets,which are involved in a paticular dasha and their lordship of respective houses ,and their respective strength in Ashatkavarga in the houses owned by these all related planets ? Which planet will have over-all say in predicting results ? Only Guru ? //Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation.// (Prabhu Ram's chart). My query is same as above plus I will add a situation, if there are one,two or more planets in the same sign as Guru, will we ignore their Bindus ,during while doing phalit from transits of planets ? //I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......// This is very appreciable, but are these laws mentioned in BPHS or other Jyotish Shstras or the laws are a new invention?. If these are new laws, have these been elaborated that how these new laws were derived at ? In my previous msg on the subject, I had quoted that since KAS uses a new Ayanamsha, whish is difference of about 54 minutes from Lahiri. Please also do share what the new Ayanamsha is and how it has been arrived at. Since authors has come out with new research ,theories or laws , willl it not be in the interest of other jyotishis to understand and be convinced to start using it in their jyotish practice. Hope you would clarify. With my regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Ash Ji, > Obviously, my quote looks to be out of context. so what you are saying is this should be read in tandem with the bindus secured by the malefics and benifics. > no offence intended. some such lines in the KAS material was disuading me from exploring it further. obviously i have not done my homework properly. > > Thanks > santhosh > >  > > > > ________________________________ > ashsam73 <kas > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 6:43:08 PM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Santosh ji, > > What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. > > Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. > > Also give that law. > > It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. > > Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. > > Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). > > I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... > > This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > > planets are always found to be benefic. " > >  > > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. > >  > > regards > > santhosh > >  The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Dear Raj ji, 1) When I said, Guru as 6th lord, Means it is more like 6th lord. Guru must have more bindus in 6th house as compared to 3rd or 9th whatever the case be. This is a given. 2) Regarding Timing of events, you will have to study KAS in detail to understand how to find timing of event. It cannot be explained in 1 email. It is a KAS is a system. 3) When you add one or two or three planets, then SAV is distributed accordingly. The KAS program, will factor everything. The SAV will change, so will the powers of planet and based on the degree of each planet their nadis will change and so will their basic (A+B+C) powres change in shodvarg. Like I said, KAS is a very detailed system and it cannot be explained in 1 mail. Should you be intersted, then you can study the system with a clean slate and a clear mind. All these questions have been answered by Guru ji and its available in the archives of KAS list, should you decide that you want to spend your time in studying KAS. Repeating the same things again and again is time consuming for me and unfortunately I do not have the time at this point in my life. Maybe when things settle down, we can have a lengthy chat and discussion. However, my sincere suggestion is for you to go though the archives and particularly read Guru ji's email where many such questions have been answered on how things are considered. 4) Regarding Krushna's ayanamsa, you can read the lessons and my latest post on KAS list. I have given my thoughts on it. This list is a general discussion list and KAS list is specifically for discussion on KAS. So, if you want to sincerely learn or understand KAS and its roots, then you can get more information from KAS list and the archives and Donna ji's website. Since all these things have been written on and exhaustively, I do not want to repeate it, but will leave it upto you or any one who has any questions on KAS and will refer them to the KAS list and for them to read up. Lastly, Raj ji, it is not task nor my job nor my duty to convince anyone of anything. Those who want to discuss KAS on a general list, can feel free to disucss, however, my only humble suggestion is that those discussing a system which they not have fully studied and are still groping with the basics, how can they discuss? That will be akin to blind leading a blind or it reminds me a story of 6 blind men, each feeling the elephant on differnt part of the body and trying to explain their version of that the elephant looks like? -------------------- The above are quick and short replies to your questions, as I am short of time, however, I am sure, you will understand where I am coming from. I have no qualms of scholars discussing Ashtakavarga, however when one talks of KAS, then those discussing should not spread incorrect things. That is not good. It will take one a life time to understand KAS, I can say that in short. Even after meeting, and learning KAS with Guru ji for over a decade, I can only say that I have just touched the surface. The detail portion of KAS has not been covered by Guru ji. Only the timing of events portion has been given and the reason why Guru ji chose to give that is because the timing of events portion is not given clearly in any of the texts. --------------------- Regarding Ayanamsa, Krushna Ayanamsa is a part and parcel of the system as Taught and that too for Generation. Its not some new creation as you put it or many believe it to be. Its not like Lahiri where people sat and came to conclusion and decided on the date. This Ayanamsa has been coming down from Generation and was kept Guarded along with the system and only taught from Father to Son. The date is 24th Feb 366 AD and we have taken great pains to include that in the program along with very fine rectification so we can get very accurate values even upto 2400 AD and beyond. This has been implemented in the Free KAS program that was created and its available to all. ---------------------- Many people like Professor Choudhary ji or even Krishnamurthi ji, etc all have commented on Ashtakavarga that it dose not work etc. That said, I am quite sure that many of you, using the knowledge of AV that is in its current form might not be getting good success. The way its been written and the scanty knowledge that exisits. Even all those new additions like the derivation of AV have been added and it does not work consistently in charts. Now, because its say in some standard book, everyone is following it and thinking that its given by some Rishi. There is no way to identify what was added over due course of time. There will be those who will state that everything is perfect, there will be some who will keep an open mind. That said, the knowledge of KAS was kept guraded and taught only from Father to Son. Guruji's Guru ji, would not even let Guru ji touch the books. Such was the way this system was kept. Therefore there is no or very less chance of any corruption creeping in and everything was kept the way it was. On the other hand, many of the books today, even differnet version of BPHS have verses not matching the chapters not matching etc etc. My suggestion is to keep an open mind. Nothing is new in KAS and nothing is invented. Yes, you can say SA system is invented or KP system. Still all the nadi portion or so many things where not much information exisits today in the world or is scattered, is all kept properly with the SYSTEM OF KAS and that is why we have called the system Krushna Ashtakavarga SYSTEM. Guru ji had told me once, that he would like this vidhya to remain in this world, otherwise this WHOLE SYSTEM, and mind you, only TIMING OF EVENTS portion is taught so far, otherwise this whole system will go. Just 36 lessons are given and with that you can atleast come to within 13 days of the event and with the knowledge one can help so many people. ok, sir, i am out of time. Cheers !!! Ash , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > //Also give that law.It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result,particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus// > > Guru as lord of 6th house will also own either the 3rd house or 9th house.Can we ignore the lordship of Guru in other houses. During Mahadasha of Guru and Antar/pratayntar of Guru, benefic/malefic result of witch house will given first and which house will be given later during it's relevant dasha period. I am giving the situation in Vimshotri. irst ahouse of which > > //Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging// > > Damaging but during which time,during transit in this house,I believe. > But can specific results of malefic/benfic results can be worked out only with the position of Guru in a particular sign ? What will be effect of other related planets,which are involved in a paticular dasha and their lordship of respective houses ,and their respective strength in Ashatkavarga in the houses owned by these all related planets ? Which planet will have over-all say in predicting results ? Only Guru ? > > //Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation.// > (Prabhu Ram's chart). > My query is same as above plus I will add a situation, if there are one,two or more planets in the same sign as Guru, will we ignore their Bindus ,during while doing phalit from transits of planets ? > > //I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......// > This is very appreciable, but are these laws mentioned in BPHS or other Jyotish Shstras or the laws are a new invention?. If these are new laws, have these been elaborated that how these new laws were derived at ? In my previous msg on the subject, I had quoted that since KAS uses a new Ayanamsha, whish is difference of about 54 minutes from Lahiri. Please also do share what the new Ayanamsha is and how it has been arrived at. Since authors has come out with new research ,theories or laws , willl it not be in the interest of other jyotishis to understand and be convinced to start using it in their jyotish practice. Hope you would clarify. With my regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > Obviously, my quote looks to be out of context. so what you are saying is this should be read in tandem with the bindus secured by the malefics and benifics. > > no offence intended. some such lines in the KAS material was disuading me from exploring it further. obviously i have not done my homework properly. > > > > Thanks > > santhosh > > > >  > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > ashsam73 <kas@> > > > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 6:43:08 PM > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > >  > > Santosh ji, > > > > What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. > > > > Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. > > > > Also give that law. > > > > It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. > > > > Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. > > > > Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). > > > > I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... > > > > This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > > > > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > > > > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > > > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > > > > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > > > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > > > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > > > planets are always found to be benefic. " > > >  > > > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. > > >  > > > regards > > > santhosh > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Dear Santosh ji, Yes, KAS is a very detailed system. One has to understand each law. Sandy Crowther has done research on 1800 charts where in these laws were tested, like Guru in libra, Ve in krittika etc etc. It can be found on the internet. My suggestion is that if u decide to explore KAS, then please do so with a clean slate. Then laws will become clear. There are only few laws but everything has a concrete base. The whole system has concrete base and once u understand the reason for each, things will begin to clear for you. However, it will take patience and time just as learning anything else in life. My appologise, if my mail came across as rude, as that was not my intent. Cheers !!! Ash , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Ash Ji, > Obviously, my quote looks to be out of context. so what you are saying is this should be read in tandem with the bindus secured by the malefics and benifics. > no offence intended. some such lines in the KAS material was disuading me from exploring it further. obviously i have not done my homework properly. > > Thanks > santhosh > >  > > > > ________________________________ > ashsam73 <kas > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 6:43:08 PM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Santosh ji, > > What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. > > Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. > > Also give that law. > > It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. > > Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. > > Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). > > I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... > > This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > > planets are always found to be benefic. " > >  > > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. > >  > > regards > > santhosh > >  The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Dear PDK ji, As per KAS, all planets in 12th house of the chart, the results of thsoe planets are enhanced. 12th is the house of moksh on spiritual plane. You have not given your lagna. However, in general, Venus in 12th house is in the house of natural exaltation (based on kalprush chart) and Guru is in pisces in own house. Now, Guru and Venus in 12th house means the status of your full chart goes up. Both planets are Guru. Now, again if Guru is 6th lord then there might be more problems with diabetis. Depending on the bindus of Venus and Guru and also depending on where other planet are and who is aspecting who etc (full KAS WS) and also without knowing their positions in navamsa and their karakansha its very hard to say anything. These are general points. Venus rules natural 2nd and 7th and in natural 12th house of chart. If lagna was known then we could decipher the rulership of Ve and Guru and if degree of all planets were known then we could find the SAV and indidual planet and their total power basedo n 4:10, aspect, upchay, aspect on house ABC etc etc. So with the informatin given, nothing can be said with certaintly. For using KAS, we need to know all the planets, then and then we can get the Ashtakvarg i.e. reference of planet from lagna and 7 planets and that will cover all yogas that are formed based on relative positioning of planets. Hope this helps, Cheers !!! Ash , pdk kotak <ganeshji101 wrote: > > Pujay shri Ash ji > > > While going through the reply to shri Santosh ji, > has raised a question in my mind and I trust you would not > mind to analyse about Jupiter [guru] in my chart. > > As there were two different opinion in the past as guru is in > 12Th house with Venus - although I do not know from the Bindu point of view. > > Problems, I have faced are  numerous but lately - health has become > a real problems for myself and for better-half also. > > Thanking you in anticipation for your help > > with Regards pdk > > > ________________________________ > ashsam73 <kas > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 14:13:08 > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Santosh ji, > > What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. > > Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. > > Also give that law. > > It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. > > Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. > > Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). > > I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... > > This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > > planets are always found to be benefic. " > >  > > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. > >  > > regards > > santhosh > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 7:40:42 AM > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > >  > > Vedic Jyotisha is a part (anga or limb) of Veda and Veda means True Knowledge. It cannot be dissociated from real religion. > > > > Religion is not yajna, daana, tapa, poojaa, teerthaatana, etc. The latter are only tools of religion and not ends in themselves. Religion is awakening of Prajnaa (Pragya), knowledge of the real import of Veda. And Jyotisha is Eye of Veda. It is Jyotisha which opens our eyes towards everlasting truths about ourselves, about our previous lives and the results of our karmas in past lives which come in the form of horoscopes. It is Jyotisha which gives us proofs of supernatural powers which must be propitiated to ameliorate our conditions. Once we get convinced of the fact that we are more than mere physical bodies and that there are supernatural agencies, the real meaning of Veda starts unfolding. In order to make Jyotisha serve its true purpose, ancients had tried to keep it away from philistinism. > > > > In a public forum, everyone has a right to express his/her views about Jyotisha, but the original meaning of Vedic Jyotisha must not be suppressed in the name of eclecticism. All ancient texts of Vedic Jyotisha are highly religious in content. It is wrong to secularize Vedic Jyotisha in the manner of physical sciences. The essence of Vedic Jyotisha is religion, because it is Eye of real religion. > > > > It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= ======== ==== > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Misra_jee, > > > > > > I am a bit surprised that a SuSanskrita respected Jyotishi of a Brahmin lineage is getting disturbed so readily instead of demonstrating your equanimity! > > > > > > Assuming that there are perhaps only about a billion Hindus (in India and abroad, and not forgetting the other religions within India and the atheists etc) -- that the remaining 6 billion human beings and counting, despite the 'doom-sayers' need to visit Hindu Dhaams in order to get salvation? > > > > > > What kind of hypocrisy is this on an ecclectic, forum where religion or religiousness had never been a 'ticket' for acceptance or respect? > > > > > > Is some strong heavenly influence going RETROGRADE in 2010? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Swamiji,The climax of Wisdom is called PRAGYA and I am trying hard to learn more and more thing from PRAGYA PURAN (Written by Ved Murty Taponishtha > > > > Pandit Sri Ram Sharma Acharyaji a world known Gayatri Siddha Sadhak & Founder of World Gayatri Parivar,Shantikunj Haridwar,Akhand Jyoti Sansthan, Mathura, U.P, Brahmavarchas Sodh Sansthan,Haridwar, Dev Sanskriti Visvavidyalya Haridwar,Uttarakhan d)now wherein much has been writen about many Rishis and about their blessings and Rishi Ashtavakraji is also available therein.Please come to Shantikunj Haridwar,Uttarakhan d once in your life. > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 10:48:31 PM > > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > Dear Misra ji, Go to Google search , type Astavakra there is more than > > > > enough information than you can digest. BUT I am afraid it will not help you > > > > in such jyotish(oops- astrology) rules that you are looking for. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > > dhirendranathmisra@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Swami Kulvirji,So far I have been told Astavakraji was not > > > > > physically handsome but he was bestowed with immense divine knowledge.Every > > > > > thing is not available on net,so I thought it better to ask you and now it > > > > > depends upon you to reject or accept the prayer. > > > > > > > > > > With Thanks & regards, > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ <lalkitabkb% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 7:18:10 PM > > > > > Re: Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Misra ji; Shbhan Allah; Aafreen; Sadke jaun aapke; Surname Name Misra > > > > > and you ask about rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji. . if it is really > > > > > helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > > > > > Atleast you should have searched about Ahshtvakra on net before firing this > > > > > reply. > > > > > LOTS of I don't know WHAT? > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > > > dhirendranathmisra@ <dhirendranathmisra %40ymail. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > > > > > know > > > > > > whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I > > > > > can > > > > > > infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me > > > > > any > > > > > > thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and > > > > > > further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > > > > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to > > > > > enlighten > > > > > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab > > > > > if > > > > > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with > > > > > direct > > > > > > example. > > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ <jyotish_ vani%40hotmail. com><jyotish_ vani% > > > > > 40hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com><Jyotish_ Remedies% > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > > > > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > > > > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ > > > > > > ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > > > > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > > > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > > > > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software > > > > > is > > > > > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > > > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > > > > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > > > > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to > > > > > make > > > > > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > > > > > are > > > > > > neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > > > > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > > > > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > > > > > musicians > > > > > > or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > > > > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > > > > > bring > > > > > > to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > > > > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is > > > > > > very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with > > > > > > few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but > > > > > > they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their > > > > > own > > > > > > songs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Dear Ash, I am thankful to you for such an elaborate reply to my qerries.I did not expect that you will take so much time. Yes, I will go with you that it is better to first go through and try to read,understand and learn the technique of KAS teachings for timing of events. I will try to do so. Thanks again and with my best reagrds and wishes for your endevour. Raj Bhardwaj , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Raj ji, > > 1) When I said, Guru as 6th lord, Means it is more like 6th lord. Guru must have more bindus in 6th house as compared to 3rd or 9th whatever the case be. This is a given. > > 2) Regarding Timing of events, you will have to study KAS in detail to understand how to find timing of event. It cannot be explained in 1 email. It is a KAS is a system. > > 3) When you add one or two or three planets, then SAV is distributed accordingly. The KAS program, will factor everything. The SAV will change, so will the powers of planet and based on the degree of each planet their nadis will change and so will their basic (A+B+C) powres change in shodvarg. Like I said, KAS is a very detailed system and it cannot be explained in 1 mail. Should you be intersted, then you can study the system with a clean slate and a clear mind. All these questions have been answered by Guru ji and its available in the archives of KAS list, should you decide that you want to spend your time in studying KAS. Repeating the same things again and again is time consuming for me and unfortunately I do not have the time at this point in my life. Maybe when things settle down, we can have a lengthy chat and discussion. However, my sincere suggestion is for you to go though the archives and particularly read Guru ji's email where many such questions have been answered on how things are considered. > > 4) Regarding Krushna's ayanamsa, you can read the lessons and my latest post on KAS list. I have given my thoughts on it. This list is a general discussion list and KAS list is specifically for discussion on KAS. So, if you want to sincerely learn or understand KAS and its roots, then you can get more information from KAS list and the archives and Donna ji's website. > > Since all these things have been written on and exhaustively, I do not want to repeate it, but will leave it upto you or any one who has any questions on KAS and will refer them to the KAS list and for them to read up. > > Lastly, Raj ji, it is not task nor my job nor my duty to convince anyone of anything. > > Those who want to discuss KAS on a general list, can feel free to disucss, however, my only humble suggestion is that those discussing a system which they not have fully studied and are still groping with the basics, how can they discuss? > > That will be akin to blind leading a blind or it reminds me a story of 6 blind men, each feeling the elephant on differnt part of the body and trying to explain their version of that the elephant looks like? > > -------------------- > The above are quick and short replies to your questions, as I am short of time, however, I am sure, you will understand where I am coming from. > > I have no qualms of scholars discussing Ashtakavarga, however when one talks of KAS, then those discussing should not spread incorrect things. That is not good. > > It will take one a life time to understand KAS, I can say that in short. Even after meeting, and learning KAS with Guru ji for over a decade, I can only say that I have just touched the surface. > > The detail portion of KAS has not been covered by Guru ji. Only the timing of events portion has been given and the reason why Guru ji chose to give that is because the timing of events portion is not given clearly in any of the texts. > > --------------------- > > Regarding Ayanamsa, Krushna Ayanamsa is a part and parcel of the system as Taught and that too for Generation. Its not some new creation as you put it or many believe it to be. Its not like Lahiri where people sat and came to conclusion and decided on the date. This Ayanamsa has been coming down from Generation and was kept Guarded along with the system and only taught from Father to Son. > > The date is 24th Feb 366 AD and we have taken great pains to include that in the program along with very fine rectification so we can get very accurate values even upto 2400 AD and beyond. This has been implemented in the Free KAS program that was created and its available to all. > > ---------------------- > > Many people like Professor Choudhary ji or even Krishnamurthi ji, etc all have commented on Ashtakavarga that it dose not work etc. That said, I am quite sure that many of you, using the knowledge of AV that is in its current form might not be getting good success. The way its been written and the scanty knowledge that exisits. > > Even all those new additions like the derivation of AV have been added and it does not work consistently in charts. Now, because its say in some standard book, everyone is following it and thinking that its given by some Rishi. There is no way to identify what was added over due course of time. There will be those who will state that everything is perfect, there will be some who will keep an open mind. > > That said, the knowledge of KAS was kept guraded and taught only from Father to Son. Guruji's Guru ji, would not even let Guru ji touch the books. Such was the way this system was kept. Therefore there is no or very less chance of any corruption creeping in and everything was kept the way it was. > > On the other hand, many of the books today, even differnet version of BPHS have verses not matching the chapters not matching etc etc. > > My suggestion is to keep an open mind. Nothing is new in KAS and nothing is invented. Yes, you can say SA system is invented or KP system. > > Still all the nadi portion or so many things where not much information exisits today in the world or is scattered, is all kept properly with the SYSTEM OF KAS and that is why we have called the system Krushna Ashtakavarga SYSTEM. > > Guru ji had told me once, that he would like this vidhya to remain in this world, otherwise this WHOLE SYSTEM, and mind you, only TIMING OF EVENTS portion is taught so far, otherwise this whole system will go. > > Just 36 lessons are given and with that you can atleast come to within 13 days of the event and with the knowledge one can help so many people. > > ok, sir, i am out of time. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > //Also give that law.It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result,particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus// > > > > Guru as lord of 6th house will also own either the 3rd house or 9th house.Can we ignore the lordship of Guru in other houses. During Mahadasha of Guru and Antar/pratayntar of Guru, benefic/malefic result of witch house will given first and which house will be given later during it's relevant dasha period. I am giving the situation in Vimshotri. irst ahouse of which > > > > //Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging// > > > > Damaging but during which time,during transit in this house,I believe. > > But can specific results of malefic/benfic results can be worked out only with the position of Guru in a particular sign ? What will be effect of other related planets,which are involved in a paticular dasha and their lordship of respective houses ,and their respective strength in Ashatkavarga in the houses owned by these all related planets ? Which planet will have over-all say in predicting results ? Only Guru ? > > > > //Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation.// > > (Prabhu Ram's chart). > > My query is same as above plus I will add a situation, if there are one,two or more planets in the same sign as Guru, will we ignore their Bindus ,during while doing phalit from transits of planets ? > > > > //I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......// > > This is very appreciable, but are these laws mentioned in BPHS or other Jyotish Shstras or the laws are a new invention?. If these are new laws, have these been elaborated that how these new laws were derived at ? In my previous msg on the subject, I had quoted that since KAS uses a new Ayanamsha, whish is difference of about 54 minutes from Lahiri. Please also do share what the new Ayanamsha is and how it has been arrived at. Since authors has come out with new research ,theories or laws , willl it not be in the interest of other jyotishis to understand and be convinced to start using it in their jyotish practice. Hope you would clarify. With my regards. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > Obviously, my quote looks to be out of context. so what you are saying is this should be read in tandem with the bindus secured by the malefics and benifics. > > > no offence intended. some such lines in the KAS material was disuading me from exploring it further. obviously i have not done my homework properly. > > > > > > Thanks > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > ashsam73 <kas@> > > > > > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 6:43:08 PM > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > >  > > > Santosh ji, > > > > > > What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. > > > > > > Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. > > > > > > Also give that law. > > > > > > It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. > > > > > > Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. > > > > > > Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). > > > > > > I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... > > > > > > This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > > > > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > > > > > > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > > > > > > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > > > > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > > > > > > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > > > > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > > > > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > > > > planets are always found to be benefic. " > > > >  > > > > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. > > > >  > > > > regards > > > > santhosh > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Dear Raj ji, I have some simple question that I dont want an answer to, I am just asking them and all those who read it can ask their own concience. 1) How come BPHS became the bible of Jyotish? 2) How did people study before someone compiled the verses of BPHS or any of the standard books? It used to be all verbal? 3) What was the system of study during ancient time? 4) Are we sure that all the verses are found and are accurate? 5) Can one vouch for the fact that everything and all verses are accurate, the books be it so BPHS or other standard texts that people are so fond of quoting today, are complete and translated corretly. If so, you then and then you can ask me that question, " Ash, can you show me where it is in BPHS or xyz book " . 6) Today people are learning Jaimini, but only half the book is found? So all the discussion on Jaimini shastra is based on just half the knowldge isnt it? Can you still ask someone to quote from Jaimini, knowing full well, that only 4 chapters are there and the remaining 4 are missing? 7) Do we know or have references to the knowledge we have supposidly lost? 8) Where is the Nadi portion? How come so many Maharishis have all referred to Ashtakavarga, but not much information is available? Why such things have happened? You need not answer these qusetions to me, however, please ask this to your own concience. Cheers !!! Ash , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > //Also give that law.It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result,particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus// > > Guru as lord of 6th house will also own either the 3rd house or 9th house.Can we ignore the lordship of Guru in other houses. During Mahadasha of Guru and Antar/pratayntar of Guru, benefic/malefic result of witch house will given first and which house will be given later during it's relevant dasha period. I am giving the situation in Vimshotri. irst ahouse of which > > //Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging// > > Damaging but during which time,during transit in this house,I believe. > But can specific results of malefic/benfic results can be worked out only with the position of Guru in a particular sign ? What will be effect of other related planets,which are involved in a paticular dasha and their lordship of respective houses ,and their respective strength in Ashatkavarga in the houses owned by these all related planets ? Which planet will have over-all say in predicting results ? Only Guru ? > > //Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation.// > (Prabhu Ram's chart). > My query is same as above plus I will add a situation, if there are one,two or more planets in the same sign as Guru, will we ignore their Bindus ,during while doing phalit from transits of planets ? > > //I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......// > This is very appreciable, but are these laws mentioned in BPHS or other Jyotish Shstras or the laws are a new invention?. If these are new laws, have these been elaborated that how these new laws were derived at ? In my previous msg on the subject, I had quoted that since KAS uses a new Ayanamsha, whish is difference of about 54 minutes from Lahiri. Please also do share what the new Ayanamsha is and how it has been arrived at. Since authors has come out with new research ,theories or laws , willl it not be in the interest of other jyotishis to understand and be convinced to start using it in their jyotish practice. Hope you would clarify. With my regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > Obviously, my quote looks to be out of context. so what you are saying is this should be read in tandem with the bindus secured by the malefics and benifics. > > no offence intended. some such lines in the KAS material was disuading me from exploring it further. obviously i have not done my homework properly. > > > > Thanks > > santhosh > > > >  > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > ashsam73 <kas@> > > > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 6:43:08 PM > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > >  > > Santosh ji, > > > > What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. > > > > Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. > > > > Also give that law. > > > > It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. > > > > Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. > > > > Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). > > > > I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... > > > > This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > > > > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > > > > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > > > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > > > > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > > > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > > > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > > > planets are always found to be benefic. " > > >  > > > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. > > >  > > > regards > > > santhosh > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Dear Ash Ji, //My appologise, if my mail came across as rude, as that was not my intent.// Of coz not. No hard feelings at all. Thanks santhosh  ________________________________ ashsam73 <kas Wed, 31 March, 2010 8:10:33 PM Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg  Dear Santosh ji, Yes, KAS is a very detailed system. One has to understand each law. Sandy Crowther has done research on 1800 charts where in these laws were tested, like Guru in libra, Ve in krittika etc etc. It can be found on the internet. My suggestion is that if u decide to explore KAS, then please do so with a clean slate. Then laws will become clear. There are only few laws but everything has a concrete base. The whole system has concrete base and once u understand the reason for each, things will begin to clear for you. However, it will take patience and time just as learning anything else in life. My appologise, if my mail came across as rude, as that was not my intent. Cheers !!! Ash , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Ash Ji, > Obviously, my quote looks to be out of context. so what you are saying is this should be read in tandem with the bindus secured by the malefics and benifics. > no offence intended. some such lines in the KAS material was disuading me from exploring it further. obviously i have not done my homework properly. > > Thanks > santhosh > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > ashsam73 <kas > > Tue, 30 March, 2010 6:43:08 PM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Santosh ji, > > What you have said about KAS and about Guru is incorrect. I suggest, you should spend some time in understand KAS first, before making any further comments. > > Guru as LoD and LoE or being placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus will become eager to give result. > > Also give that law. > > It is also said that Guru as 6th lord can cause very malefic result, particularly if it is with more than 4 bindus. > > Guru as 6th lord in 7th house with less than 4 bindus is also damaging. > > Guru in lagna with more than 4 bindus, and particularly if it has more than 4 bindus can cause a lot of problems or even divorse in marriage or seperation. (Prabhu Ram's chart). > > I can quote many laws from KAS and can go on and on......... > > This proves that what you have told is incorrect. If anyone is discussing KAS, then have full grounding in KAS first and not give half baked and concocted theories and their own interpretation of the sages and call it Traditional Jyotish. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > In the ancien days there was no concept of religion in bharatavarsha. nobody was asked if he was a hindu or a muslim. all these evolved very recently. hence some of your statements may have to slightly modified to that extent. nevertheless the essence of your message is understood and clear. > > > > //It is unfortunate that a request to discuss Ashtavarga was diverted to other topics. Many members will run away from such fora where astrological discussion is not possible.// > > > > the discussion sought for, if i remember correctly, was not just on ashtavarga, but on krushna's ashtavarga or KAS. maybe thats why it wasnt discussed by members. KAS has some crutial differences with the traditional astrology. > > let me quote from KAS a couple of sentences. > > > > " Generally, it is said that the aspect of a benefic planet is good and that of a > > malefic planet is bad. But in my studies I have found the reverse to be true, that > > the aspects of benefic planets are always malefic and the aspects of malefic > > planets are always found to be benefic. " > >  > > so you see, we dont have this approach in traditional astrology. it can be accepted that sometimes the aspect of benefic like jupiter can be bad depending on its position on the chart. but KAS argues that this is always true and not an exception. > >  > > regards > > santhosh > >  The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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