COMMON SENSE!

April 2, 2010

What I meant Suresh_ji was that if two hundred combinations are given in a book

and fifty of those are questionable, rather than going 'anal' (in the

psychological sense of the term and the sanskrit meaning of the same term!),

pragmatic astrologers are better off focusing on the 150 combinations that can

perhaps be tested and found to be useful, as opposed to wasting one's time on

the fifty that are of uncertain or mixed or confusing nature! Surely you can see

the SENSE and REASONABLENESS behind by recommendation? :-)

Let the academics spend their lifetimes and TIME in chasing those fifty reasons

to basically waste their time while they chase the Holy Grail! :-)

Rohiniranjan

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Sorry to say, this is most illogical thing you have stated.

>

> //test the utility of what is given in those//

>

> What is " this utility " ? and who made it?

>

> In order to test the utility, one has to understand what was originally

written and what came later as interpretation and became a utility.

>

> In order to reject or accept any theory, first of all one should really

understand it, test it in multitude of circumstances. So it is also important to

know which version is correct also.

>

> Those who follow only english / hindi translations only, do get to know the

meaning translated by that author and may not understand the original and this

where he misses a panaroma of theories and fundamental logics upon which

astrology is built unless he tries out multiple translators and eventually get

more confused and finally end up blaming the classics for creating such

confusions.

>

> " Taste of Pudding " is another of those random references.

>

> If one makes a cutlet and calls it pudding, that tastes good also, still it

shall be cutlet only and not the pudding and yet the other person and his sishya

vargas may prefer to call it pudding. But will the world accept it and those

who know what pudding really is? Just because Bill gates called it as pudding?

or one's " highly " learned guru who murmured the secret into the ear of his

beloved sishya while on his death bed?

>

> There is a specific reason why I asked that question about the differences and

those who know the logic or are supposed to know it can elaborate on what the

logic is which version should be correct under what context.

>

> Others can eat their pudding or cutlet and tell about the taste of whatever

they ate or simply watch. But it is not going to change what is referred as

cutlet or pudding

>

> All the while, those who know the difference between the cutlet and the

pudding can explain for the understand of others. Surely it is upto those to

accept it or reject it. But it doesn't really matter. Truth is eternal.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Thu, April 1, 2010 6:06:20 AM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> The PROOF OF THE PUDDING, Sir is not how pure the original or the translation

of the jyotish texts were but HOW VALID the principles are in real life and real

practice!

>

> THAT, sadly has not been carried out because more energy has been spent on

this elusive PURITY consideration that some are getting a lot of mileage out of

or trying to ;-)

>

> Rather than wasting time in justifying which sloka is right or wrong or which

version of this or that pothi or 'gutka', test the utility of what is given in

those!

>

> Toss out what is bizarre and does not work, or at least PARK it, but please do

not begin exploration with the andha-vishwaash that what is old is necessarily

all GOLD, unconditionally!

>

> Rohiniranjan_ ,

>

> , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***

> > Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or,

> > consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the context

of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these sutras. If

some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that Rishi, but

RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel assumptions which

are

> > absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him

are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > 2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ ... sureshbabuag

> > Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

> > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures//

> > absolutely true.

> > However, look at this.

> > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > it is given as

> > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

> > give

> > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > " same adarshaadiH "

> > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > Which version is correct?

> > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ****8

> > Dear Friends

> > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures//

> > absolutely true.

> > So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are unreliable and

only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach vedanga & jyotish

subjects. Yes Fine.

> > Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of original

scripture lying in libraries?

> > I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle from

sutra. I stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is worked

out for phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am inclined

to think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

> > Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit before

the commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

> > A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das laxmivenkayteshwar

kalian Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and contains lot of guidance

from vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This was based on commentary

by Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest two were in Sanskrit

only without commentary.

> > Next about sutra I referred.

> > There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to

question phrased.

> > I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of

applicability of dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by

P.S.Shastri and others . It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote

translation of Sr P.S.Sastri FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as

2.1.55 so his commentary assumes different context. But I did not wrote it in my

posting.

> > I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

> > Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It is vital

point pointed by him.

> > But such differences are common among text copies.

> > My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain Rao and

also given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya. . However In

version of P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in

adarshaadiH " .

> > By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I

Rangacharya.

> > This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to copy of

hand written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus publications

made available are only source for basic introduction. However sutra literature

calls for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for that very purpose

> > Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of

sammukha and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri

and calls dasa as darpan dasa.

> > Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three variants.

As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to critically

examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy task.But

there is no other way.

> > Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas and

teacher to bring light.

> > . He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish

only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or

PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

> > Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught the

principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

> > What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I am

saying that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only

mentioned it is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I

did correctly mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in

support of my understanding.

> > I could not understand What hurts any one.

> > Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I stop here

tonight.

> > With best regards.

> > RC.

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on

> > > > ancient scriptures//

> > > >

> > > > absolutely true.

> > > >

> > > > However, look at this.

> > > >

> > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > > >

> > > > it is given as

> > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > >

> > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no

193,

> > > > give

> > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > >

> > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > >

> > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > >

> > > > Which version is correct?

> > > >

> > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > >

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > >

> > > > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > > To Members,

> > > >

> > > > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows he is

distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned again

and again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and Venus in

Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is obviously an

error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> > > >

> > > > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of

Vimshottari Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

appears to be an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in

which Mercury and Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> > > >

> > > > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position in D1

only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's positions in

those vargas.

> > > >

> > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary

positions in D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed

from Lagna of D1.

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep respect

for him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> > > >

> > > > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what is the

use of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into following

charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose dashaas are

running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but affects almost all

topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A comprehensive

assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these charts gives a

final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his suggestions are

valid.

> > > >

> > > > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of Moon's

positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither supported

by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> > > >

> > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and not

from D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44) which

give exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini Sutra. Why

RCS ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to quote

Jaimini Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not clear.

Perhaps he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting from

some imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed from

varga chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or D9,

as Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed. The

latter diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my statements

out of context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and Venus in

Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " may not

be applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such

combinations appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me)

has NOT worked out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of

Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from

Jaimini Sutra) was already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from

Jaimini because the context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to

RCS.

> > > >

> > > > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is hidden

in traditions " . Which tradition ?

> > > >

> > > > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in

the divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying

use of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well

in Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> > > >

> > > > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages where I said

the same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the

sign in the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a varga is

one thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that varga is

another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my views to

prove me wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS says :

" Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of aspect in

divisional charts.

> > > >

> > > > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual term

is Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted from

left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

> > > >

> > > > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > > > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> > > >

> > > > The meaning is very simple :

> > > >

> > > > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that (raashi of

lagna),

> > > > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction "

(Adarsha) from Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the context

of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these sutras. If

some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that Rishi, but

RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel assumptions which

are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him

are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > >

> > > > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

> > > > charts you examined? "

> > > >

> > > > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar Arudhas

Argala and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives in

particular provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> > > >

> > > > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless

he shows me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> > > >

> > > > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail, together

with the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never explained by any

commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg was mentioned in

previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it mentions some

extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be easily deduced

from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good gatis then all

mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate always. I was

abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and the abuser,

whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in my logic.

> > > >

> > > > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ?? Here, I

fine a Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting my

statements merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit

texts properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> > > >

> > > > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces wrong

interpretations, I must state the truth.

> > > >

> > > > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of AD.

Raj Jyotishis know more than me.

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@ ..>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my attention.

If I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved herein, with a

view to awaken interest.

> > > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as below.

> > > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha

need some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha

dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.

Some academic discussion based on some reference at some point of time

becomes half baked thought "

> > > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the

guidelines for D1

> > > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to Natal

Chart positions only

> > > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas charts too

was cited

> > > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing are

finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to twist

original rules and apply them.

> > > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find no

reference in ancient texts

> > > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is that

they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of

events

> > > > > My attempt to

> > > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not describe

Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10 dasa making

42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in Navamsa D 9

Chart.

> > > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini Upadesh

Sutra describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very important

dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The fact

is the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However There is

slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and kalinga

tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is not

correct:

> > > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or PM

or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That

Native is endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own

people. Thus its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should not be

studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of sight.

Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many astrologer

teach assuming

> > > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also. However

Barring a few exception .

> > > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for Main

ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor 34 and

commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The dasa /

antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as well.

> > > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect in

divisional charts.

> > > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless

specially hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which sloka

is talked about.

> > > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted views

of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls for

explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements of

Kendradigati etc .

> > > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well in

Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show that

opinion expressed

> > > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little vision I

have formed.

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > RC

> > > > >

> > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ >

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from True

> > > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including Phaladeepika' s

7th

> > > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas, there

will

> > > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of dashaas will

be

> > > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas to

only

> > > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types " ( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha

d-

> > > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj edition

retains

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas

is

> > > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching

with

> > > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita, they

are

> > > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem Ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.

Vimshottari

> > > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal Chart.

> > > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need

> > > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out Navamsha

> > > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be defined.

> > > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic

discussion

> > > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half baked

thought

> > > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to the

> > > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to Natal

Chart

> > > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter 7

> > > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after

reading

> > > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider aspects in

> > > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal lagna

> > > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1 has

aspectsof

> > > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions

in

> > > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas, it is

> > > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till some

thing

> > > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not

> > > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š Wisemen

Can

> > > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃƒâ€š

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of

BPHS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot

be

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern

researchers

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types

of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name

the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions

> > > > > > including

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are

drawn

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram

Jha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any

reason

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or

> > > > > > earlier

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known dashaas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of D1

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its

position in

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an error

in

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some software

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But there

is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my software

for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has

aspects

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten years

you

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never intended

to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be twisted

in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility

in

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there are

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you have

no

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you if

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle

( " gutthie " )

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have

made

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told such

> > > > > > things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting "

person

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must be

parked

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how

long

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne

time

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent from

many

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for you

but

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously

have

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the next

> > > > > > sloka!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to

park

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of the

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners

without

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then return

to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to

tackle

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called

REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone

MUST

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting,

Venus

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to

expose

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on

BPHS

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to discuss

my

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > persona??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even

informing

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is

internet

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being in

> > > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them, but

the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of

BPHS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this idea

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not mean

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the

meaning

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me or

for

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within

seconds?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that

> > > > > > dissolves

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and

> > > > > > promise

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name wished

> > > > > > upon

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up to

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in 5th,

6th,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of

BPHS

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to

post

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > here :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made

this

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently.

Those

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion concerning

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not SANTOSH.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on blind

> > > > > > support

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga,

excepting

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My sole

aim

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the

right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > others. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in my

> > > > > > mails

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated verses,

let me

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to

X-post

> > > > > > here

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more

confusion

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by

snapping

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with

baited

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can

> > > > > > change!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my

prediction

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted

earlier!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that

> > > > > > insist

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used

feline

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten

year

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine

reference,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously

scholarly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or

akaasha or

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is

difficult

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be

capable

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching

someone!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly REALITY

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am doing

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at

you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers lack.

Those

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at

least

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who is

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > confused.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous views

must

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed

gurus.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated by

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or even

> > > > > > respect

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals goes in

> > > > > > vain.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot

accept it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them were

> > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ???

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

============

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree,

just

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your role

in

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > com,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > thread-header

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of

> > > > > > lightning

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying

attention!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of

discussing

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained from

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored topics

of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== ===

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > com,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather

brilliant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we

were

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for

Jupiter

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He lives

and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive,

pay

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your

jupiter is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly obsessed

with

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other

planets

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas'

that

> > > > > > show

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going

through

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed! USA

is

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

April 2, 2010

rohini ji,

I don't think you still got it.

you are assuming a lot when you say 150 are found working and 50 are

questionable.

Who found them so and under what conditions?

if you exclude such pre-assumptions, you shall find yourself at the starting

point.

What is this thing about wasting time? Are you not doing it any way now? How

many times have you tried to drive some sense into the senseless and surely

failed(obvious) and yet .......

so nothing is a waste.

in a system if 50 doesn't work always, it is better to have knowledge of it

also, so that a person shall know not to fall into the trap. And yet there shall

be those special occasions where some of those 50 works well. This is practical

astrology and the right sense.

When confronted with multiple commentaries / versions, go to the root and

establish the correctness and then test them. There is no other better way of

learning. There are no short cuts, as once a gentleman commented - " Short cuts

shall cut you short "

So don't be agitated. Let others discuss, debate and learn. I only wish it stays

within the subject devoid of " I " s and " You " s.

Have a nice day. I am off to tirupathy and shall be back only by monday.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Fri, April 2, 2010 3:49:06 AM

COMMON SENSE!

What I meant Suresh_ji was that if two hundred combinations are given in a book

and fifty of those are questionable, rather than going 'anal' (in the

psychological sense of the term and the sanskrit meaning of the same term!),

pragmatic astrologers are better off focusing on the 150 combinations that can

perhaps be tested and found to be useful, as opposed to wasting one's time on

the fifty that are of uncertain or mixed or confusing nature! Surely you can see

the SENSE and REASONABLENESS behind by recommendation? :-)

Let the academics spend their lifetimes and TIME in chasing those fifty reasons

to basically waste their time while they chase the Holy Grail! :-)

Rohiniranjan

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Sorry to say, this is most illogical thing you have stated.

>

> //test the utility of what is given in those//

>

> What is " this utility " ? and who made it?

>

> In order to test the utility, one has to understand what was originally

written and what came later as interpretation and became a utility.

>

> In order to reject or accept any theory, first of all one should really

understand it, test it in multitude of circumstances. So it is also important to

know which version is correct also.

>

> Those who follow only english / hindi translations only, do get to know the

meaning translated by that author and may not understand the original and this

where he misses a panaroma of theories and fundamental logics upon which

astrology is built unless he tries out multiple translators and eventually get

more confused and finally end up blaming the classics for creating such

confusions.

>

> " Taste of Pudding " is another of those random references.

>

> If one makes a cutlet and calls it pudding, that tastes good also, still it

shall be cutlet only and not the pudding and yet the other person and his sishya

vargas may prefer to call it pudding. But will the world accept it and those

who know what pudding really is? Just because Bill gates called it as pudding?

or one's " highly " learned guru who murmured the secret into the ear of his

beloved sishya while on his death bed?

>

> There is a specific reason why I asked that question about the differences and

those who know the logic or are supposed to know it can elaborate on what the

logic is which version should be correct under what context.

>

> Others can eat their pudding or cutlet and tell about the taste of whatever

they ate or simply watch. But it is not going to change what is referred as

cutlet or pudding

>

> All the while, those who know the difference between the cutlet and the

pudding can explain for the understand of others. Surely it is upto those to

accept it or reject it. But it doesn't really matter. Truth is eternal.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>