Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Friends, Having read so much about nine planets in the progressive astrology,we r not yet sure(roshni aur dundh) about the mysteries the planets r capble of! Kaliyuga is there and we need to comprehend time concept.whether Guru does reflect as saviour or chandal .Passing times and evil pervading good due to life styles can only be attributed to our own ways of thinking and action.Guru is Guru and is un changed " 'The beauty of the Kalyuga is that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! " " Grand titles by way of different forms of Kalasarpa yoga made out be renowned astrolgers carries no meaning when we make nodes as surrogates.Then all mundane issues covering nuke effects,health aspects and terrorists uncanny deeds will not have any significance at all. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Wed, 4/7/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 12:41 PM  An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > , Harinder Singh > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > down the other Puranas. > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > Vishnu. > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > records. > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > lineage. > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > any oversights. > > > > Best regards > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Brihaspati has perhaps not changed over the Yugas, Krishnan jee. He continues to send his Son to what other (duniyawaalahs) call his enemy and rival! The RIVAL, equally wise embraces this TOKEN of LOVE from what others label as a MOLE and in his camp to pollute his daughter and to learn his secrets! Bhargava -- knew his stuff and therefore he trusted the MAYA that arrived at his door! Brishaspati -- equally knew his stuff and therefore was able to send his " JIGAR KAA TUKRAA " , to the enemy camp where he knew there would be LOVE and DEATH involved! .... Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Having read so much about nine planets in the progressive astrology,we r not yet sure(roshni aur dundh) about the mysteries the planets r capble of! > Kaliyuga is there and we need to comprehend time concept.whether Guru does reflect as saviour or chandal .Passing times and evil pervading good due to life styles can only be attributed to our own ways of thinking and action.Guru is Guru and is un changed > " 'The beauty of the Kalyuga is that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL > !! " " > > > Grand titles by way of different forms of Kalasarpa yoga made out be renowned astrolgers carries no meaning when we make nodes as surrogates.Then all mundane issues covering nuke effects,health aspects and terrorists uncanny deeds will not have any significance at all. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Wed, 4/7/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 12:41 PM >  > > > An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. > > > > Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > > > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > > > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > > > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > > > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > > > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > > > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > > > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > > > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > > > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > > > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > > > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > > > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > > > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > > > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > > > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > > > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > > > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > > > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > > > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > > > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > > > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > > > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > > > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > > > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > > > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > > > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > > > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > > > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > > > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > > > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > > > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > > > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > > > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > > > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > > > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > > > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > > > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > > > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > > > > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > , Harinder Singh > > > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > > > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > > > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > > > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > > > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > > > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > > > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > > > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > > > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > > > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > > > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > > > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > > > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > > > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > > > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > > > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > > > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > > > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > > > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > > > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > > > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > > > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > > > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > > > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > > > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > > > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > > > down the other Puranas. > > > > > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > > > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > > > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > > > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > > > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > > > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > > > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > > > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > > > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > > > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > > > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > > > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > > > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > > > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > > > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > > > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > > > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > > > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > > > records. > > > > > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > > > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > > > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > > > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > > > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > > > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > > > lineage. > > > > > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > > > any oversights. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > > > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Sirs, This is very pleasaant exchange of notes.It appears we are moving for happier times. Inder , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Respected Jha jee, > > You are blessed with a very wonderful imagination! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > It is you who always divert astrological topics to non-astro gossips and even to personal comments, often satirical, and if I dare put forth any answer you charge me of talking about myself!! Is not your recent charge on me a new attempt of opening a useless personalized thread?? > > > > If your comments about Sage Parashara and Vedavyaasa Ji was not derogatory, what did you really intend by your following remarks : > > > > " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " > > > > You have simply written me and my works off, yet you hardly spare any thread in which I participate, and you seldom discuss astrology in those threads. I think these fora are means for entertainment for you, as you have also said you do not take these fora seriously. This attitude means members are clowns for you. But I have never expressed my fuller opinions about you. > > > > I analyzed the charts of some famous astrologers and found the reasons behind their name and fame, which was due to good 10th and 11th houses, and not due to any sound astrological yoga. And I forgot them. I have already analyzed yours, even without exact time. > > > > I STILL think you are among the best astrologers. I never lie. > > > > -VJ > > ================================= === > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Nothing Fishy here! > > > > > > I noticed that you talked a lot about yourself and about MG and PM and so on but said NOTHING about the BOAT that was carrying MG and PM where VV was conceived to liberate all of us sanyaasis, already enrolled and destined to...! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, > > > > > > > > I worked in history and archaeology for a long time, and then I devoted 12 years in Indo-European researches, always concerned with dating problems in Indian history. I found that most of the experts in these fields take the most conservative dates unless proven otherwise. " 52 " is the most conservative figure as far as the evidences available to me suggest. > > > > > > > > You say : " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " > > > > > > > > It is not a new question. There is a Hindi textbook prescribed in my Sanskrit college in which a young lady asked exactly the same question about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa, and was answered in detail by a sadhu. The sadhu answered that Vedavyaasa was not a common mortal, he gave a concrete shape to the religion and culture of entire nation and therefore only an uncommon lady could be capable of giving birth to such a great personage. Matsyagandhaa was also known as Yojanagandhaa, ie, whose smell went upto one yojana. She could be only some sort of incarnation of Shakti. Parashara, belonging to the clan of Shakti, realized this. > > > > > > > > Puranas are replete with stories of sages and gods who sometimes seem to be lascivious if we do not go deeper into the contextual meanings. Not only Brahmacharya, Vaanaprastha and Sanyaas, but even Grihastha ashrama was based on brahmacharya, which modern grihasthas will not understand. Lust had no place in Vi-vaaha, which is a Vedic yajna and not a license for carnal pleasure. Parashara was the last rishi who, besides composing texts on three skandhas of Jyotisha, finalised the Smriti which is regarded as the paramount Smriti for Kaliyuga, and Vedavyaasa Ji rearranged all Vedas and Puranas besides composing Mahabharata, just to guide people in Kaliyuga and save shaastras during Kaliyuga. > > > > > > > > Your statements do not surprise me, you have earlier expressed your disapproval of sadhus and brahmachaaris intruding into Jyotisha or internet (which ought to reserved for non-brahmachaaris ?). > > > > > > > > You must have known all these things already, yet you issue FISHY statements about great sages. > > > > > > > > Some people think ancient Rishis belonged to a particular caste and it is politically correct to abuse that caste in present era. But ancient Varna-ashrama Dharma was quite different from the ossified caste system of present day Hinduism. How many brahmins follow the rules prescribed in shaastras ?? Why brahmins keep farms, own houses, serve for others at a salary ? Such persons are not brahmins according to scriptures. Kaliyugi brahmins have degraded the divine status of Vedic Brahmins and made them a soft target for abuse. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > ================================ == > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay_jee, > > > > > > > > > > Why '52'? Why not 53?? > > > > > > > > > > I am too insignificant to be capable of changing ANYTHING! > > > > > > > > > > But some of us are here not to change but simply to observe! > > > > > > > > > > The WITNESS-SELF! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell us something Vinay_jee: > > > > > > > > > > Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? > > > > > > > > > > Smells FISHY! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > RR JI, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote about BPHS : " more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries " . > > > > > > > > > > > > You changed my meaning by quipping : " Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Sage Parashara 'composed' BPHS, in which the initial B (Brihat) was added only after Madhya and Laghu were compiled (by others, based on Sage Parashara's phalita work). I never said Sage Parashara " penned down " BPHS. If Sage Parashar could not teach his son how to pen Mahabharata (Vedavyaasa Ji had to hire Ganesh Ji for penning down Mahabharata), I think Sage Parahara never could have tried to pen down anything himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very fact that Paaraashari Horaa (ancient name of BPHS) has many versions differing in wording even if the import is the same suggests there was some common source which has been lost during centuries of oral transmission. Here I am quoting a verse from one version of BPHS (first verse of Uttaraardha; I am rendering it after splitting sandhis): > > > > > > > > > > > > " Maitreya uvaacha -- > > > > > > Bhagavat sarvam aakhyaatam jaatakam vistarena me || > > > > > > sa-sahasra-ayuta-granthaH-asheeti-adhyaaya-samyutaiH ||1|| " > > > > > > > > > > > > It means : > > > > > > > > > > > > Maitreya told : O Lord (Parashara)! you have described the Jaataka-grantha in full detail in 11000 verses in 80 chapters (of Poorvaardha). > > > > > > > > > > > > " sa-sahasra-ayuta " means sahasra (1,000) added ( " sa " ) to ayuta (=10,000), ie 11,000. > > > > > > > > > > > > Verses of Uttaraardha are nowhere mentioned, but if 80 chapters of Poorvaardha contained 11000 verses, then 20 or 24 chapters of Uttaraardha may contain anything between one and three thousand verses perhaps. Sitaram Jha's edition contains 4001 verses (many were composed by himself, and many were taken by him from non-Jataka texts, hence original verses might be around 3000 only). Khemraj Edituion contains only 5781 verses, many of which were rejected by Sitaram Jha. Hence, does it not show over half of verses were lost? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber-Gurujis are very clever in perverting and inverting meanings, merely to befool others. But facts are facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============================= === > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jha Saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is interesting! Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose 8/60 is not a big difference! Particularly when BPHS was probably not even 'penned down' (as read today!) for centuries before it was SPOKEN! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > ... BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 It seems for certain that you are, Inder jee... ;-) Cheers? !! Rohiniranjan , " inder " <indervohra2001 wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > This is very pleasaant exchange of notes.It appears we are moving for happier times. > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Deaqr Krishnan ji, Let us think like this. Brahma started with ZERO[shunya] with bang.Now it is expanding infinitely.It is timeless. Everything created from that Shunya while expanding is getting fragmented and vastly expanding. If minus +5 is there -5 is also there.It can further be fragmented[-2,-1.2,-1.8] makes it [-5].Fragmentation could be in shape of energy and material, Jada or Chetna, fast and slow, Jupiter or Saturn--infinite variations. But sum total is zero.In astrology we are trying to sence small tiny human its fortune and future. What is good what is bad? Ek Noor To Sab Jag Upjaya, kaun bhale kaun mande. Inder , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Having read so much about nine planets in the progressive astrology,we r not yet sure(roshni aur dundh) about the mysteries the planets r capble of! > Kaliyuga is there and we need to comprehend time concept.whether Guru does reflect as saviour or chandal .Passing times and evil pervading good due to life styles can only be attributed to our own ways of thinking and action.Guru is Guru and is un changed > " 'The beauty of the Kalyuga is that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL > !! " " > > > Grand titles by way of different forms of Kalasarpa yoga made out be renowned astrolgers carries no meaning when we make nodes as surrogates.Then all mundane issues covering nuke effects,health aspects and terrorists uncanny deeds will not have any significance at all. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Wed, 4/7/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 12:41 PM >  > > > An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. > > > > Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > > > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > > > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > > > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > > > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > > > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > > > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > > > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > > > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > > > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > > > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > > > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > > > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > > > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > > > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > > > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > > > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > > > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > > > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > > > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > > > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > > > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > > > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > > > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > > > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > > > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > > > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > > > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > > > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > > > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > > > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > > > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > > > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > > > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > > > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > > > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > > > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > > > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > > > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > > > > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > , Harinder Singh > > > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > > > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > > > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > > > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > > > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > > > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > > > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > > > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > > > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > > > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > > > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > > > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > > > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > > > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > > > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > > > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > > > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > > > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > > > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > > > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > > > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > > > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > > > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > > > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > > > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > > > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > > > down the other Puranas. > > > > > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > > > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > > > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > > > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > > > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > > > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > > > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > > > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > > > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > > > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > > > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > > > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > > > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > > > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > > > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > > > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > > > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > > > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > > > records. > > > > > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > > > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > > > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > > > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > > > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > > > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > > > lineage. > > > > > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > > > any oversights. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > > > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Sir, Avatar like Vyomagami and manjhala Deepak meant to be active for information gathering and not for letting out their art.often they invlove as starngers and try to ink with past and future. Normal benevolence of the aristocratic caharacters usual part of fiction. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Wed, 4/7/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 12:53 PM  Rohini jee, Is this new Avatar " manjhlaa deepak " kindly enlighten A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Wed, April 7, 2010 10:11:05 PM Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > , Harinder Singh > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > down the other Puranas. > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > Vishnu. > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > records. > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > lineage. > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > any oversights. > > > > Best regards > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 building bridges makes out true personalities on to the fore and make happy times ahead Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 4/8/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:00 AM  It seems for certain that you are, Inder jee... ;-) Cheers? !! Rohiniranjan , " inder " <indervohra2001@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > This is very pleasaant exchange of notes.It appears we are moving for happier times. > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Krishnanji, Bulding bridges makes out true personalities..... Beautiful indeed !Roshini, Dhundh,Uchha-Neech,Uday-Asta,Margee-Vakree,Faceshifter-Surrogate,Nodes-Shades,ma\ stery of the planets and mystries of our Planet, Satya-Asatya,Agraha-Vigraaha,Srishti-Vrishtee,great devides and Divisions,Akkash-Paatal, Bhoots and Panchbhoot,Mother earth, all are under Roshni and Dhundh at all times.The Dhundh is engulfing everything very fast...even the billions of shining stars in the umbrella, illuminating the roof of our fairy tales so bridges are are dire need of our times. I will quote tw lines:- 1. Sansaar ki har Shai (each and everything on mother Earth) itnaa hee Fasaana (story) hai, Ek dhundh se aana hai, ek dhundh main jaana hai.. 2. Ajaab hai maalik tera jahan, Chiraag(diya/deepak) kahaan Roshnee kahaan! Krishnanji, for quite a long time,I was struggling about quote of Sh. BV Raman Ji' " Fools Obey Planets While A Wisemen Can Control Them " . It is now a days that I have started understanding this. With warm regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > building bridges makes out true personalities on to the fore and make happy times ahead > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:00 AM >  > > > It seems for certain that you are, Inder jee... ;-) > > > > Cheers? !! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " inder " <indervohra2001@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > This is very pleasaant exchange of notes.It appears we are moving for happier times. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 SiRR ji, Your Goodself and Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji have left no option for me but to insert Deepak in my name Kulbir Bains. I had removed Singh for some reason but from now onwards it is going to be KULBIR DEEPAK BAINS. Shall also try to include Deepak in my 1 and a half year old son's name. Regards and Lots of respect. Kulbir Deepak Bains. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > My name is Rohiniranjan (one word, by the way! Sandhi vichched creates > gender confusion as you may have observed!). Deepak to Raj_dada pyaar say > bulaanay lagay -- achchaa lagaa, apnaa lagaa, and now with Kulbir_praa we > form a three Deepak Chandelier, as best as our lights permit -- the three > lights being: > > Love, Light and Levity! > > Rohiniranjan > > > <%40>, > " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > rohini jee, I thought deepak is your real name and rohini ranjan, the pen > name. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > > <%40> > > Thu, April 8, 2010 1:26:18 AM > > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > > > > > no, just a term of endearment, Sir. Avtar wawtaar aap mahanubhavon ko > mubaraq :-) > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rohini jee, > > > > > > Is this new Avatar " manjhlaa deepak " > > > > > > kindly enlighten > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 10:11:05 PM > > > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > > > > > > > > An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes > are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and > appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the > 'surrogate' role of the nodes. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) > > > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > > > > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > > > > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a > idiom > > > > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > > > > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by > the > > > > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > > > > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > > > > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > > > > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > > > > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > > > > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > > > > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > > > > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > > > > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > > > > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar > of > > > > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > > > > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > > > > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are > from > > > > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > > > > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > > > > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > > > > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart > related > > > > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I > can > > > > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > > > > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > > > > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, > Jhas, > > > > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing > Jyotish,one > > > > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with > Parashara's > > > > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and > Vyaas > > > > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting > about > > > > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply > beacause > > > > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and > GUPHHA > > > > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > > > > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater > of > > > > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > > > > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > > > > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > > > > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga > is > > > > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > > > > > > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > , Harinder Singh > > > > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > > > > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > > > > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > > > > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya > & > > > > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > > > > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > > > > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks > of > > > > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > > > > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > > > > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler > of > > > > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at > the > > > > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was > so > > > > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will > concieve > > > > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > > > > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) > and > > > > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the > girl > > > > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > > > > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > > > > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > > > > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. > Since > > > > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the > Rishi > > > > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . > So > > > > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > > > > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of > permanent > > > > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance > can > > > > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > > > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called > Krishna > > > > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > > > > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa > (veda > > > > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also > took > > > > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > > > > down the other Puranas. > > > > > > > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > > > > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > > > > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise > even > > > > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > > > > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of > this > > > > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > > > > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through > the > > > > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > > > > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, > not > > > > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the > genes > > > > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > > > > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > > > > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank > & > > > > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > > > > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > > > > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write > down > > > > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior > memory > > > > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes > are > > > > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > > > > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work > only > > > > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > > > > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be > a > > > > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > > > > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his > parental > > > > lineage. > > > > > > > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > > > > any oversights. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > > > > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Krishnan ji, Unfortunately, I do not keep up with the latest information about Avatars. It seems that some avatar with that name exists. Little wonder that Shenoy jee was sounding confused when I used that term in one of my postings :-) RR , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sir, > Avatar like Vyomagami and manjhala Deepak meant to be active for information gathering and not for letting out their art.often they invlove as starngers and try to ink with past and future. > Normal benevolence of the aristocratic caharacters usual part of fiction. > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Wed, 4/7/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 12:53 PM >  > > > > > Rohini jee, > > > > Is this new Avatar " manjhlaa deepak " > > > > kindly enlighten > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 10:11:05 PM > > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > > > An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. > > > > Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > > > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > > > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > > > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > > > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > > > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > > > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > > > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > > > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > > > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > > > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > > > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > > > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > > > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > > > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > > > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > > > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > > > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > > > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > > > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > > > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > > > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > > > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > > > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > > > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > > > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > > > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > > > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > > > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > > > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > > > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > > > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > > > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > > > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > > > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > > > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > > > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > > > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > > > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > > > > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > , Harinder Singh > > > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > > > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > > > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > > > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > > > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > > > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > > > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > > > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > > > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > > > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > > > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > > > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > > > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > > > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > > > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > > > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > > > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > > > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > > > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > > > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > > > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > > > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > > > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > > > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > > > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > > > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > > > down the other Puranas. > > > > > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > > > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > > > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > > > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > > > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > > > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > > > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > > > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > > > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > > > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > > > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > > > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > > > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > > > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > > > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > > > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > > > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > > > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > > > records. > > > > > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > > > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > > > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > > > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > > > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > > > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > > > lineage. > > > > > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > > > any oversights. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > > > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Kulbir Bhai, Yes ! Kul-Deepak,indeed your Son will be. By the way did not see you for 2 days, and I was under the impression that perhaps you were undergoing training or preparaing for the 'Mardamshumari'. Releived and happy to get you back ! With my affectionate love and blessings ! Raj Bhardwaj , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > SiRR ji, Your Goodself and Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji have left no option for me > but to insert Deepak in my name Kulbir Bains. I had removed Singh for some > reason but from now onwards it is going to be KULBIR DEEPAK BAINS. Shall > also try to include Deepak in my 1 and a half year old son's name. > Regards and Lots of respect. > Kulbir Deepak Bains. > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > > > > > My name is Rohiniranjan (one word, by the way! Sandhi vichched creates > > gender confusion as you may have observed!). Deepak to Raj_dada pyaar say > > bulaanay lagay -- achchaa lagaa, apnaa lagaa, and now with Kulbir_praa we > > form a three Deepak Chandelier, as best as our lights permit -- the three > > lights being: > > > > Love, Light and Levity! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <%40>, > > " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > rohini jee, I thought deepak is your real name and rohini ranjan, the pen > > name. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > <%40> > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 1:26:18 AM > > > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > > > > > > > > no, just a term of endearment, Sir. Avtar wawtaar aap mahanubhavon ko > > mubaraq :-) > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini jee, > > > > > > > > Is this new Avatar " manjhlaa deepak " > > > > > > > > kindly enlighten > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 10:11:05 PM > > > > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > > > > > > > > > > > An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes > > are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and > > appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the > > 'surrogate' role of the nodes. > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) > > > > > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > > > > > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > > > > > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a > > idiom > > > > > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > > > > > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by > > the > > > > > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > > > > > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > > > > > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > > > > > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > > > > > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > > > > > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > > > > > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > > > > > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > > > > > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > > > > > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar > > of > > > > > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > > > > > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > > > > > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are > > from > > > > > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > > > > > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > > > > > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > > > > > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart > > related > > > > > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I > > can > > > > > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > > > > > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > > > > > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, > > Jhas, > > > > > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing > > Jyotish,one > > > > > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with > > Parashara's > > > > > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and > > Vyaas > > > > > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting > > about > > > > > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply > > beacause > > > > > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and > > GUPHHA > > > > > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > > > > > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater > > of > > > > > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > > > > > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > > > > > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > > > > > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga > > is > > > > > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > > > > > > > > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Harinder Singh > > > > > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > > > > > > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > > > > > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya > > & > > > > > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > > > > > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks > > of > > > > > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > > > > > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > > > > > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler > > of > > > > > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at > > the > > > > > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was > > so > > > > > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will > > concieve > > > > > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > > > > > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) > > and > > > > > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the > > girl > > > > > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > > > > > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > > > > > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. > > Since > > > > > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the > > Rishi > > > > > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . > > So > > > > > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > > > > > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of > > permanent > > > > > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance > > can > > > > > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > > > > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called > > Krishna > > > > > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > > > > > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa > > (veda > > > > > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also > > took > > > > > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > > > > > down the other Puranas. > > > > > > > > > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > > > > > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > > > > > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise > > even > > > > > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > > > > > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of > > this > > > > > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > > > > > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through > > the > > > > > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > > > > > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, > > not > > > > > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the > > genes > > > > > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > > > > > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > > > > > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank > > & > > > > > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > > > > > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > > > > > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write > > down > > > > > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior > > memory > > > > > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes > > are > > > > > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work > > only > > > > > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > > > > > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be > > a > > > > > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > > > > > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his > > parental > > > > > lineage. > > > > > > > > > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > > > > > any oversights. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > > > > > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Harinder Ji, Your first messege was quite encouraging. The present one seems to me that you had taken One step forward and Two steps back Now!Hope it helps to all of us ! Raj Bhardwaj , Harinder Singh <harinder77711 wrote: > > Dear Rajji > > Thank you for the history lesson on the Mohyal Brahmins. I have learnt something new. It only goes to prove how recent the divide in caste & religion is. It also shows how unfortunate today's divisions have become causing us to lose out on wisdom & knowledge which was available freely only a few decades back. Since the time we have collected ourselves into groups of people based on regions, religions & class & caste groups, we have charted a very dangerous road that will make us all into " frogs in a well " . I wish & hope that useful discussions like this will help us all to grow as astrologers, healers & human beings. > > I am sure Vinayji has a lot to contribute to this forum. Let us hope we continue to get some constructive & useful information from all. > > Your observation on the 'O' blood group is interesting. From my little experience, I have noticed that generally people who are by nature happy & carefree (not careless) as well as express their feelings honestly to people & are able to take criticism from others positively & remain even & stable in their temprement stay away from heart problems. This involves some courage, since not everyone will like such people. High blood pressure is almost always caused by relationship problems as are kidney related diseases. Obviously, if such people from Rawalpindi up to Afghanistan have such personalities then I guess, the story would be true. > > But, given the speed with which times and food habits are changing, the emotional & mental behaviour of people are changing fast. The food of each region is suited to the climate of that region. But a South Indian who has shifted to North India does not change his food & cultural habits & vice versa. This brings about health complications which lead to emotional & mental weaknesses. I guess that is why the body is called the " annamaya kosha " . The annamaya kosha also interacts & is interdependant with the other bodies - the pranamaya kosha, manomaya kosha, vigyanmaya kosha & the anandmaya kosha. Therefore, these cause a lot of personality changes. Personality changes will change our destiny patterns because we start to react & behave differently. > > Instead of being obsessed with predicting the future of people, why dont astrologers also show interest in understanding ayurveda, what foods should be avoided by the people who consult? So that the annamaya kosha can become healthy. Teach the finer points of Svar Uday shastra to change the destiny patterns of persons. This brings about changes in their pranic body. Which music or sounds these people listen to since sound changes the mental body of a person. Rock music is not rhythmic & the sounds cause erratic growth in plants as opposed to the Sitar played by Sri Ravi Shanker. This has been proven scientifically. All these efforts will transform the personality of the client. Only with a changed personality can a person truly bring about a positive change in the future. Why wait for a positive period to come? Perform the karmas that will get you to change the body & mind functions. As we bring about a change in the person & his behaviour patterns the > external environment will mirror these changes. Destiny patterns are bound to change. The purpose of Karma is to teach us lessons which help us to grow & mature spiritually & materially. Once we have learned those lessons, we change our destiny. I am not saying this is easy. BUT THE PROCESS CAN BE STARTED. EVEN IF IT TAKES A LIFETIME, IT IS WORTH IT. The most difficult thing is to change one's own nature. No wonder we are predictable. > > We tend to give beeja mantras & other mantras freely to clients. These clients do not understand the five S's which are prerequisites for reciting mantras. Even before this, the Gotra must be known. The Gotra is named after a rishi who started the lineage & who specialises in a specific branch of the Vedas. There is a specific mantra & ritual which applies to a specific branch of the vedas perfected by the gotra rishi. The student has to first perfect this mantra & ritual. Then the Gotra Rishi takes over & assists the student to achieve in life. Without this, there is no real progress with a mantra. Secondly, there has to be secrecy of the mantra between the Guru & Shishya. Then, the difference between Shudra & Shuddha has to be understood. The Prefix is the same but the Suffix of both are different. The " Dha " in Shuddha means firmness or concentration (relate with word Samadhi). The " Ra " in Shudra is the Beej Mantra of Fire. Fire exists in the > human body as Jathara Agni (fire of digestion). A Shudra eats food which is taking a life in order to sustain a life. Therefore, such a person fails to qualify to read the Vedas or recite mantras from the Vedas. Until the person purifies himself (Bhut Shuddhi) & sufficiently strengthens his " Bhuta Agni " which overpowers his Jathara Agni " , the person is not ready for reciting Beej mantras or other mantras. A Beej mantra is a Shakti which has to be understood, otherwise this energy can prove dangerous to the uninitiated. All Sanskrit alphabets represent a beej mantra & therefore a shakti. The five S's are sthana (sit in the same place, face the same direction & if possible the same posture), samaya (sit at the same time +/- 5 minutes, sankhya (the number of repetitions to be done daily have to be fixed, the number of repetitions can be increased but not decreased, the total number of days have to be decided beforehand), samagri (the materials have > to be the same everyday; no change), samayama (control of the sexual organ). Other restirctions are diet to be followed as well as how long after taking food should you recite mantras. The pronunciation has to be exact. An inappropriate intonation or meter (there are 7 meters) in reciting the vedas can lead to a different result. Then Purascharana has to be done. After, finishing the mantra sankhya, ten percent has to be offered as oblations in to a homa fire, 10% of this has has to be offered with water called tarpana, 10% of these have to be recited by sprinkling water about your body in a certain way called marjana followed by 10 % of this fed as bhojana fed to a number of persons usually children. The deity or shakti has to be understood correctly & worshipped correctly. In Kaliyuga, three purascharanas have to be done in order to get Mantra Siddhi. > > " Bhavishya " has been divided into " Bhav " and " Ish " . I am not a Sanskrit Scholar. But my understanding is that Bhav means the world or more precisely " Sansaar " and Ish means the Lord. Doesn't this mean that the future means under the lordship of the ruler of this " Sansaar " . An astrologer should stick to giving possible indications. I could be wrong. I would encourage other Gurujans to correct me. > > As always, please forgive me for any wrong information given. My purpose is to encourage a healthy discussion & learn from other esteemed colleagues. > > > Best regards > > Harinder > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Kulbir_bhaiyaa, Chaahay 'Deepak' naam jo®dho yaa nahin, Kul-Deep to Kuldeep he rahegaa naa! :-) I realize that there has been a strong lobby going on based on numerology etc that makes people change their name for suddenly changing their Bhagya journey from local-meter gauge train to Frontier Mail or Japanese bullet train! But really what is in a name! Sometimes people give anecdotal evidence such as Kamal Kumar needed another K (to become KKK) so panditjee adviced a new name KKamal Kumar (Kamal Kumar occassionally stuttered and the new name was phonetically closer to reality!). One should keep the dasa etc into consideration. Sometimes dasa changes the circumstances dramatically and the person may have arisen due to that and transits and no so much due to the change in name or the 6 ratti 3 masha ka pukhraj that panditjee sold him! I hope I have not poked any bhidon kaa chatta! When they depart, please make sure to collect the honey! ;-) Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > SiRR ji, Your Goodself and Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji have left no option for me > but to insert Deepak in my name Kulbir Bains. I had removed Singh for some > reason but from now onwards it is going to be KULBIR DEEPAK BAINS. Shall > also try to include Deepak in my 1 and a half year old son's name. > Regards and Lots of respect. > Kulbir Deepak Bains. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 SiRR JI, In Punjab, it is customary that when a pupil is initiated, the elder/experienced ones bring a little change in his name. Usually it is Aanad or Daas. Just symbolic gesture/kind of constant reminder to pupil that he is supposed to bring about a positive change in himself and continuously tread on the path; towards spiritual growth. So When I saw the opportunity, I seized it. I had to remove Singh due to Socio Religious Political considerations. Respect and Regards KDB On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:41 PM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > Dear Kulbir_bhaiyaa, > > Chaahay 'Deepak' naam jo®dho yaa nahin, Kul-Deep to Kuldeep he rahegaa > naa! :-) > > I realize that there has been a strong lobby going on based on numerology > etc that makes people change their name for suddenly changing their Bhagya > journey from local-meter gauge train to Frontier Mail or Japanese bullet > train! But really what is in a name! > > Sometimes people give anecdotal evidence such as Kamal Kumar needed another > K (to become KKK) so panditjee adviced a new name KKamal Kumar (Kamal Kumar > occassionally stuttered and the new name was phonetically closer to > reality!). > > One should keep the dasa etc into consideration. Sometimes dasa changes the > circumstances dramatically and the person may have arisen due to that and > transits and no so much due to the change in name or the 6 ratti 3 masha ka > pukhraj that panditjee sold him! > > I hope I have not poked any bhidon kaa chatta! When they depart, please > make sure to collect the honey! ;-) > > Rohiniranjan > > > <%40>, > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > > > SiRR ji, Your Goodself and Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji have left no option for > me > > but to insert Deepak in my name Kulbir Bains. I had removed Singh for > some > > reason but from now onwards it is going to be KULBIR DEEPAK BAINS. Shall > > also try to include Deepak in my 1 and a half year old son's name. > > Regards and Lots of respect. > > Kulbir Deepak Bains. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Dear Singh sahib, Lots of 'scientific' articles and studies have been conducted on the ABO grouping and correlation with hypertension and peptic ulceration and also on variations in distribution of the ABO distributions in different countries and ethnicities. You should do a quick google and some very interesting factors would present themselves. I will not bias your thinking but simply point out one important factor. There is something called sampling-distribution-error which may be playing a part in this hypothesis. That said, please note that ABO has a fairly strong genetic component and has been used medico-legally in 'paternity' suites (kaun kiska baap, kaun kiski ma). There are some very REAL differences between ethnicities and nationalities, genetically-speaking. These should be used to appreciate the diversity of Nature to rejoice in. On the other hand, using it to put down other castes or nationalities or religions, as humans have done for millennia is of course abhorrant, destructive, separative, but still continues OPENLY! What is the point of teaching such kinds of people lofty things about Spirituality, Unconditional Love, The ways of the Saints etc, no matter who does that! Hand a baby the keys to a riding lawn-mower and what would you expect the outcome to be? Rohiniranjan , Harinder Singh <harinder77711 wrote: > > Dear Rajji > > Thank you for the history lesson on the Mohyal Brahmins. I have learnt something new. It only goes to prove how recent the divide in caste & religion is. It also shows how unfortunate today's divisions have become causing us to lose out on wisdom & knowledge which was available freely only a few decades back. Since the time we have collected ourselves into groups of people based on regions, religions & class & caste groups, we have charted a very dangerous road that will make us all into " frogs in a well " . I wish & hope that useful discussions like this will help us all to grow as astrologers, healers & human beings. > > I am sure Vinayji has a lot to contribute to this forum. Let us hope we continue to get some constructive & useful information from all. > > Your observation on the 'O' blood group is interesting. From my little experience, I have noticed that generally people who are by nature happy & carefree (not careless) as well as express their feelings honestly to people & are able to take criticism from others positively & remain even & stable in their temprement stay away from heart problems. This involves some courage, since not everyone will like such people. High blood pressure is almost always caused by relationship problems as are kidney related diseases. Obviously, if such people from Rawalpindi up to Afghanistan have such personalities then I guess, the story would be true. > > But, given the speed with which times and food habits are changing, the emotional & mental behaviour of people are changing fast. The food of each region is suited to the climate of that region. But a South Indian who has shifted to North India does not change his food & cultural habits & vice versa. This brings about health complications which lead to emotional & mental weaknesses. I guess that is why the body is called the " annamaya kosha " . The annamaya kosha also interacts & is interdependant with the other bodies - the pranamaya kosha, manomaya kosha, vigyanmaya kosha & the anandmaya kosha. Therefore, these cause a lot of personality changes. Personality changes will change our destiny patterns because we start to react & behave differently. > > Instead of being obsessed with predicting the future of people, why dont astrologers also show interest in understanding ayurveda, what foods should be avoided by the people who consult? So that the annamaya kosha can become healthy. Teach the finer points of Svar Uday shastra to change the destiny patterns of persons. This brings about changes in their pranic body. Which music or sounds these people listen to since sound changes the mental body of a person. Rock music is not rhythmic & the sounds cause erratic growth in plants as opposed to the Sitar played by Sri Ravi Shanker. This has been proven scientifically. All these efforts will transform the personality of the client. Only with a changed personality can a person truly bring about a positive change in the future. Why wait for a positive period to come? Perform the karmas that will get you to change the body & mind functions. As we bring about a change in the person & his behaviour patterns the > external environment will mirror these changes. Destiny patterns are bound to change. The purpose of Karma is to teach us lessons which help us to grow & mature spiritually & materially. Once we have learned those lessons, we change our destiny. I am not saying this is easy. BUT THE PROCESS CAN BE STARTED. EVEN IF IT TAKES A LIFETIME, IT IS WORTH IT. The most difficult thing is to change one's own nature. No wonder we are predictable. > > We tend to give beeja mantras & other mantras freely to clients. These clients do not understand the five S's which are prerequisites for reciting mantras. Even before this, the Gotra must be known. The Gotra is named after a rishi who started the lineage & who specialises in a specific branch of the Vedas. There is a specific mantra & ritual which applies to a specific branch of the vedas perfected by the gotra rishi. The student has to first perfect this mantra & ritual. Then the Gotra Rishi takes over & assists the student to achieve in life. Without this, there is no real progress with a mantra. Secondly, there has to be secrecy of the mantra between the Guru & Shishya. Then, the difference between Shudra & Shuddha has to be understood. The Prefix is the same but the Suffix of both are different. The " Dha " in Shuddha means firmness or concentration (relate with word Samadhi). The " Ra " in Shudra is the Beej Mantra of Fire. Fire exists in the > human body as Jathara Agni (fire of digestion). A Shudra eats food which is taking a life in order to sustain a life. Therefore, such a person fails to qualify to read the Vedas or recite mantras from the Vedas. Until the person purifies himself (Bhut Shuddhi) & sufficiently strengthens his " Bhuta Agni " which overpowers his Jathara Agni " , the person is not ready for reciting Beej mantras or other mantras. A Beej mantra is a Shakti which has to be understood, otherwise this energy can prove dangerous to the uninitiated. All Sanskrit alphabets represent a beej mantra & therefore a shakti. The five S's are sthana (sit in the same place, face the same direction & if possible the same posture), samaya (sit at the same time +/- 5 minutes, sankhya (the number of repetitions to be done daily have to be fixed, the number of repetitions can be increased but not decreased, the total number of days have to be decided beforehand), samagri (the materials have > to be the same everyday; no change), samayama (control of the sexual organ). Other restirctions are diet to be followed as well as how long after taking food should you recite mantras. The pronunciation has to be exact. An inappropriate intonation or meter (there are 7 meters) in reciting the vedas can lead to a different result. Then Purascharana has to be done. After, finishing the mantra sankhya, ten percent has to be offered as oblations in to a homa fire, 10% of this has has to be offered with water called tarpana, 10% of these have to be recited by sprinkling water about your body in a certain way called marjana followed by 10 % of this fed as bhojana fed to a number of persons usually children. The deity or shakti has to be understood correctly & worshipped correctly. In Kaliyuga, three purascharanas have to be done in order to get Mantra Siddhi. > > " Bhavishya " has been divided into " Bhav " and " Ish " . I am not a Sanskrit Scholar. But my understanding is that Bhav means the world or more precisely " Sansaar " and Ish means the Lord. Doesn't this mean that the future means under the lordship of the ruler of this " Sansaar " . An astrologer should stick to giving possible indications. I could be wrong. I would encourage other Gurujans to correct me. > > As always, please forgive me for any wrong information given. My purpose is to encourage a healthy discussion & learn from other esteemed colleagues. > > > Best regards > > Harinder > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 You are very kind, brother! This is not a political statement (Politics say aapnaa to bhai is janam may devnagri main 36 kaa aankda rahaa hai!) but Ma kay he Ghar main agar Ma kay Vahanon ko apnaa naam badalnaa zaroori ho jaaye yeh to bade Gham hi baat hai. Woh Naam, jiskaa root purpose tha yeh dikhana ki, " Koi bada nahin, koi chota nahin, Darbar may Uskay sab Barabar! " ). Aadmi bhool jaataa hai ki pichlay 100-150 saalon may kya hua, kisnay kitni qurbani dee, aur hum sub Pandit, Gurujee, Shastri etc horoscope say pichlay Janamon ki baat kartay hain! What a Maya, and what a Leela! Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > SiRR JI, > In Punjab, it is customary that when a pupil is initiated, the > elder/experienced ones bring a little change in his name. Usually it is > Aanad or Daas. Just symbolic gesture/kind of constant reminder to pupil that > he is supposed to bring about a positive change in himself > and continuously tread on the path; towards spiritual growth. > So When I saw the opportunity, I seized it. > I had to remove Singh due to Socio Religious Political considerations. > Respect and Regards > KDB > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:41 PM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir_bhaiyaa, > > > > Chaahay 'Deepak' naam jo®dho yaa nahin, Kul-Deep to Kuldeep he rahegaa > > naa! :-) > > > > I realize that there has been a strong lobby going on based on numerology > > etc that makes people change their name for suddenly changing their Bhagya > > journey from local-meter gauge train to Frontier Mail or Japanese bullet > > train! But really what is in a name! > > > > Sometimes people give anecdotal evidence such as Kamal Kumar needed another > > K (to become KKK) so panditjee adviced a new name KKamal Kumar (Kamal Kumar > > occassionally stuttered and the new name was phonetically closer to > > reality!). > > > > One should keep the dasa etc into consideration. Sometimes dasa changes the > > circumstances dramatically and the person may have arisen due to that and > > transits and no so much due to the change in name or the 6 ratti 3 masha ka > > pukhraj that panditjee sold him! > > > > I hope I have not poked any bhidon kaa chatta! When they depart, please > > make sure to collect the honey! ;-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <%40>, > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > SiRR ji, Your Goodself and Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji have left no option for > > me > > > but to insert Deepak in my name Kulbir Bains. I had removed Singh for > > some > > > reason but from now onwards it is going to be KULBIR DEEPAK BAINS. Shall > > > also try to include Deepak in my 1 and a half year old son's name. > > > Regards and Lots of respect. > > > Kulbir Deepak Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Dear Rajji It is the two steps backwords that I need to get indication from you since you seem to have spotted these. That is what will help me to progress. I am human. To err is human. With warm regards Harinder Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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