Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! Rohiniranjan , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > Raj Bhardwaj > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Kulbir, > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > planets as follows > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > strength respectively. > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > football and > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Lalkitab's scaling is based upon average values, actual strength in warfare is decided by actual size of the Bimba (image) of a planet. A planet in opposition is not of same apparent size as that conjunct. I had no intention of intruding in this thread because Raj Bhai feared that " Mishras and Jhas could hijack this thread too, like the Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. Because as it is, there is centuries old rivalry between Mishr and Jha in Darbhanga side of Bihar. " I have no desire to " hijack " such a lofty thread. There are some others who relish in such threads. -VJ ============================== == , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > planets as follows > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > strength respectively. > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 That is what is in 'Bhroo-Madhya'! I am waiting a feedback from Kulbir too! Raj Bhardwaj. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > planets as follows > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > strength respectively. > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear Raj ji, thats the middle of brows. sometimes called as the point of third eye by some. It is also the location of the second chakra after crown chakra. regards santhosh ________________________________ Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 Mon, 5 April, 2010 4:04:42 PM Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Common Sense...  That is what is in 'Bhroo-Madhya' ! I am waiting a feedback from Kulbir too! Raj Bhardwaj. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar, Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires, with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility' , the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > planets as follows > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > strength respectively. > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra- Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement. [correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[ nothing good > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician] , without > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Vinay Ji, Namaste! Actually I had some other Jha in mind. Why so, because with your great Tapasya you have been able to change the course of planets in your chart,and made to make your Janampatri blank 'Free from the planatery impact ,influences and you had conveyed to me that I will never be able to understand your Janampatri, for which I did little Baalhath. Having received your clarification I knew that your Janampatri is beyond the scope of anyone, and not even you,hence no fresh requesgt waas made for your birth details by me. That is why please do not presume for a moment that when I referred about 'Mishras and Jhaas', I had you in mind. My great wishes to your for the revised version of Kundalee with the earnest hope that with your great efforts, you will also endevour to make it easily downloadable ,as I have failed in my three attempts so far! Perhaps it is not destined for 'Chaandal Shishyas' like me. Raj Bhardwaj , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Lalkitab's scaling is based upon average values, actual strength in warfare is decided by actual size of the Bimba (image) of a planet. A planet in opposition is not of same apparent size as that conjunct. > > I had no intention of intruding in this thread because Raj Bhai feared that " Mishras and Jhas could hijack this thread too, like the Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. Because as it is, there is centuries old rivalry between Mishr and Jha in Darbhanga side of Bihar. " > > I have no desire to " hijack " such a lofty thread. There are some others who relish in such threads. > > -VJ > ============================== == > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I am sorry. I misread ur mail. I thought u were asking for the meaning of the term. Obviously u were not. Sorry. santhosh  ________________________________ Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10 Mon, 5 April, 2010 4:13:34 PM Re: Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Common Sense...  Dear Raj ji, thats the middle of brows. sometimes called as the point of third eye by some. It is also the location of the second chakra after crown chakra. regards santhosh ____________ _________ _________ __ Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> Mon, 5 April, 2010 4:04:42 PM Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Common Sense...  That is what is in 'Bhroo-Madhya' ! I am waiting a feedback from Kulbir too! Raj Bhardwaj. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar, Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires, with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility' , the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > planets as follows > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > strength respectively. > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra- Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement. [correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[ nothing good > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician] , without > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji, For Jupiter in 10th house the introductory lines are; " GuruVar 10vein mein hua swarag lok ke kaam, Lalach mein dono gaye maya mili na Ram; Ghar Shani ke aan kar * " GURU CHADAVE SVAAS " *, Grah koi na chal sake sirf shani ki aas.'' This portion ghar shani ke 10th house * " GURU CHADAVE SVAAS " *is of immense importance; If still someone considers this book as BOOK OF TONE TOTKE then what can one do. Armaan no.2 ; Is mazmoon se ROOH-BUTH ke maidaan ka andar bahar v KHUDAI- RAAZ ka pata chalta hai. 1939 starts with..... Is huqamname ko padhne ke liye hi duniyadaaron ne zaari kiya hai. jo ZAGIRA TO WAHAM KA KHUSAQ JHAGDA MALOOM HOTA HAI MAGAR DARASAL KUCH MAYNNI AUR SAMANDAR KI ZAHIRI RANGAT KI TARAH APNI TAH MEIN KEEMATI ZAVAHARAT RAKHTA HAI, JIN KI ASAL KIMMAT EK JANANE WAALE SE CHUPPI NAHIN. Now if a person starts doing prediction and UPAYGIRI instead of understanding Ghar Shani ke aan kar * " GURU CHADAVE SVAAS " *, -- Why? What does it denote? Lalkitab is not going to work for him AFTER A CERTAIN POINT. this is not superstition lest someone misinterprets it. But Simply practical and logical statement. Regards Kulbir Bains. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > That is what is in 'Bhroo-Madhya'! I am waiting a feedback from > Kulbir too! > > Raj Bhardwaj. > > <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you > did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > <%40>, > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal > Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai > Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... > Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have > started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do > not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab > Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in > this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 > sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of > Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this > little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best > wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia > etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions > about it, I am sure :-) > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that > saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these > show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki > lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the > chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all > the > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > reference to any > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens > when Sun and > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths > of various > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury > =4/9, > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having > 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual > power. > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by > Pakistan. > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden > brings sweat > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all > Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and > beneficial[with > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with > combination of > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it > is very > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of > buddhimaan ji > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also > an young > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can > Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 > > Raj Bhardwaj > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji, " BADE MIAN BUDHAPE MEIN ISSAQ KI LAZZAT LE RAHE HO; ANGOOR MEIN KISHMISH KE MAZE LE RAHE HO. " Shall meet you at the earliest opportunity. By the way my jyotish guru told me to never refer to any Delhi wala that you study lalkitab. Upon asking Why?; He answered, Itne UPATEGHAR baithe hain ki logon ne apne kutton ko lalkitab walon ke rumal sungha diye hain -- bas dikh jaye to chodna matt. Reapect and Regards Kulbior Bains. > > > > > > <%40>, > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal > Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai > Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... > Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have > started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do > not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab > Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in > this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 > sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of > Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this > little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best > wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia > etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions > about it, I am sure :-) > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that > saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these > show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki > lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the > chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all > the > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > reference to any > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens > when Sun and > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths > of various > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury > =4/9, > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having > 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual > power. > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by > Pakistan. > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden > brings sweat > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all > Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and > beneficial[with > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with > combination of > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it > is very > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of > buddhimaan ji > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also > an young > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can > Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 SiRR ji , EVERY WORD IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT JI. especially //In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa!// KETU in Lalkitab has been referred as CHALLIYAA; CHALAWA in its most feared position (planetary placement) Sir, This might be of interest to you ''ARMAAN NO.4 SAFED KAGAZ (BUDH) PAR FITKARI (alum) SE LIKHA HUA CHANDRA KI ROSHINI YA PAANI MEIN NAZAR NA PADA. LEKIN JAB SOORAJ KA SAATH HUA TO VAHI GUMNAAM HARF SAFEEDEE SE KHUD-B-KHUD SYAH HO GAYE. HO B HO ISS HI TARAH RAHU - KETU (MASNOI SHUKKRA GRAHSAT DUNIYA MEIN) BUDH KE AAKAR MEIN GHOOM RAHE HAIN. AUR SOORAJ CHANDRA KE RAASTE MEIN KHUD-B-KHUD PAIDA HO JAATE HAIN.'' Lots of Respect Kulbir Bains. > > Kulbir, > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions > about it, I am sure :-) > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that > saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show > up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar > nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. > Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear Kulbir, Roman Lipi main Devanagari likhne se, DU-DHARI talwar hone ka andesha rehtaa hai!Kabhee daboche gaye to mushkil ghadhi ka saamna bhee hone kaa khatra ho jayega! Baaki, Ojhaaon,Mishraon,Utkalon se Naa uljho. Sheer Time waste! Catch some real big fish. Here is one:- Sardaar Ji Paani men doob rahe the ,itne main ek Machhlee dekhi jo unke saath-saath swim kar rahi thee. Sardaar Ji ne machhli ko daboch kaar, paani se bahaar phenk diya aur kaha:- Bewaqoof, toon to bachch le ! Raj Bhardwaj , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji, > " BADE MIAN BUDHAPE MEIN ISSAQ KI LAZZAT LE RAHE HO; > ANGOOR MEIN KISHMISH KE MAZE LE RAHE HO. " > > Shall meet you at the earliest opportunity. > > By the way my jyotish guru told me to never refer to any Delhi wala > that you study lalkitab. Upon asking Why?; He answered, Itne UPATEGHAR > baithe hain ki logon ne apne kutton ko lalkitab walon ke rumal sungha diye > hain -- bas dikh jaye to chodna matt. > > Reapect and Regards > Kulbior Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal > > Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai > > Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... > > Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have > > started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do > > not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab > > Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in > > this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 > > sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of > > Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this > > little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best > > wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia > > etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions > > about it, I am sure :-) > > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that > > saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, > > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision > > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these > > show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in > > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki > > lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the > > chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all > > the > > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > reference to any > > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens > > when Sun and > > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths > > of various > > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury > > =4/9, > > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having > > 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual > > power. > > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by > > Pakistan. > > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden > > brings sweat > > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all > > Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and > > beneficial[with > > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with > > combination of > > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it > > is very > > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of > > buddhimaan ji > > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also > > an young > > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can > > Control > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear Santosh Ji, Thanks a lot for enlighetning me. I am obliged. With regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Raj ji, > thats the middle of brows. sometimes called as the point of third eye by some. It is also the location of the second chakra after crown chakra. > regards > santhosh > > > > > ________________________________ > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 > > Mon, 5 April, 2010 4:04:42 PM > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Common Sense... > >  > That is what is in 'Bhroo-Madhya' ! I am waiting a feedback from > Kulbir too! > > Raj Bhardwaj. > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar, Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires, with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility' , the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra- Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement. [correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[ nothing good > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician] , without > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear Santosh Ji, Thanks a lot for enlighetning me. I am obliged. With regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Raj ji, > thats the middle of brows. sometimes called as the point of third eye by some. It is also the location of the second chakra after crown chakra. > regards > santhosh > > > > > ________________________________ > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 > > Mon, 5 April, 2010 4:04:42 PM > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Common Sense... > >  > That is what is in 'Bhroo-Madhya' ! I am waiting a feedback from > Kulbir too! > > Raj Bhardwaj. > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar, Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires, with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility' , the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra- Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement. [correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[ nothing good > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician] , without > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji, A joke is a really serious thing. Let me explain with person example. Sardar ji decided to swim across English Channel 26 miles distance. after swimming across 13 miles, he decided, it is not possible to cross by swimming 13 miles ahead AND swam back 13 miles. and thanked God for sparing his life. Whenever i get stuck while studying Lalkitab. I recall this example/joke and it holds me from coming back. Respect and regards Kulbir Bains. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Dear Kulbir, > Roman Lipi main Devanagari likhne se, DU-DHARI talwar hone ka andesha > rehtaa hai!Kabhee daboche gaye to mushkil ghadhi ka saamna bhee hone kaa > khatra ho jayega! Baaki, Ojhaaon,Mishraon,Utkalon se Naa uljho. Sheer Time > waste! Catch some real big fish. Here is one:- > Sardaar Ji Paani men doob rahe the ,itne main ek Machhlee dekhi jo unke > saath-saath swim kar rahi thee. Sardaar Ji ne machhli ko daboch kaar, paani > se bahaar phenk diya aur kaha:- Bewaqoof, toon to bachch le ! > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > <%40>, > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji, > > " BADE MIAN BUDHAPE MEIN ISSAQ KI LAZZAT LE RAHE HO; > > ANGOOR MEIN KISHMISH KE MAZE LE RAHE HO. " > > > > Shall meet you at the earliest opportunity. > > > > By the way my jyotish guru told me to never refer to any Delhi wala > > that you study lalkitab. Upon asking Why?; He answered, Itne UPATEGHAR > > baithe hain ki logon ne apne kutton ko lalkitab walon ke rumal sungha > diye > > hain -- bas dikh jaye to chodna matt. > > > > Reapect and Regards > > Kulbior Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal > > > Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai > > > Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... > > > Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have > > > started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now > do > > > not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab > > > Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay > world in > > > this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 > > > sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died > of > > > Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in > this > > > little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of > best > > > wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in > Bolivia > > > etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice > questions > > > about it, I am sure :-) > > > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > > > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > > > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice > that > > > saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > > > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY > 3/9, > > > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > > > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human > vision > > > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as > these > > > show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > > > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and > Commando in > > > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki > > > lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in > the > > > chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy > all > > > the > > > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > reference to any > > > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens > > > when Sun and > > > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the > strengths > > > of various > > > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, > Mercury > > > =4/9, > > > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon > having > > > 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual > > > power. > > > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by > > > Pakistan. > > > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden > > > brings sweat > > > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all > > > Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and > > > beneficial[with > > > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with > > > combination of > > > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with > Rahu it > > > is very > > > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of > > > buddhimaan ji > > > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom > .Also > > > an young > > > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can > > > Control > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like > a > > > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Raj jee, That was a mistake on my part. I have appologised sincerely. Hope you read that mail too. Anyway you have thanked me twice and as courtesy demands ' you are welcome' God bless you Santhosh Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:46:38 Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Common Sense... Dear Santosh Ji, Thanks a lot for enlighetning me. I am obliged. With regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Raj ji, > thats the middle of brows. sometimes called as the point of third eye by some. It is also the location of the second chakra after crown chakra. > regards > santhosh > > > > >________________________________ > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 > > Mon, 5 April, 2010 4:04:42 PM > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Common Sense... > >  > That is what is in 'Bhroo-Madhya' ! I am waiting a feedback from > Kulbir too! > > Raj Bhardwaj. > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar, Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires, with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility' , the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra- Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement. [correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[ nothing good > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician] , without > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 This was really more apt one Kulbir,in the circumstances. With lots of affection. Raj Bhardwaj , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji, A joke is a really serious thing. Let me explain with > person example. > Sardar ji decided to swim across English Channel 26 miles distance. after > swimming across 13 miles, he decided, it is not possible to cross by > swimming 13 miles ahead AND swam back 13 miles. and thanked God for sparing > his life. > Whenever i get stuck while studying Lalkitab. I recall this example/joke and > it holds me from coming back. > Respect and regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > Roman Lipi main Devanagari likhne se, DU-DHARI talwar hone ka andesha > > rehtaa hai!Kabhee daboche gaye to mushkil ghadhi ka saamna bhee hone kaa > > khatra ho jayega! Baaki, Ojhaaon,Mishraon,Utkalon se Naa uljho. Sheer Time > > waste! Catch some real big fish. Here is one:- > > Sardaar Ji Paani men doob rahe the ,itne main ek Machhlee dekhi jo unke > > saath-saath swim kar rahi thee. Sardaar Ji ne machhli ko daboch kaar, paani > > se bahaar phenk diya aur kaha:- Bewaqoof, toon to bachch le ! > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > <%40>, > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji, > > > " BADE MIAN BUDHAPE MEIN ISSAQ KI LAZZAT LE RAHE HO; > > > ANGOOR MEIN KISHMISH KE MAZE LE RAHE HO. " > > > > > > Shall meet you at the earliest opportunity. > > > > > > By the way my jyotish guru told me to never refer to any Delhi wala > > > that you study lalkitab. Upon asking Why?; He answered, Itne UPATEGHAR > > > baithe hain ki logon ne apne kutton ko lalkitab walon ke rumal sungha > > diye > > > hain -- bas dikh jaye to chodna matt. > > > > > > Reapect and Regards > > > Kulbior Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal > > > > Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai > > > > Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... > > > > Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have > > > > started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now > > do > > > > not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab > > > > Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay > > world in > > > > this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 > > > > sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died > > of > > > > Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in > > this > > > > little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of > > best > > > > wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in > > Bolivia > > > > etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice > > questions > > > > about it, I am sure :-) > > > > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > > > > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > > > > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice > > that > > > > saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > > > > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY > > 3/9, > > > > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > > > > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human > > vision > > > > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as > > these > > > > show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > > > > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and > > Commando in > > > > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki > > > > lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in > > the > > > > chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy > > all > > > > the > > > > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > reference to any > > > > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens > > > > when Sun and > > > > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the > > strengths > > > > of various > > > > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, > > Mercury > > > > =4/9, > > > > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon > > having > > > > 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual > > > > power. > > > > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by > > > > Pakistan. > > > > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden > > > > brings sweat > > > > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all > > > > Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and > > > > beneficial[with > > > > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with > > Rahu it > > > > is very > > > > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of > > > > buddhimaan ji > > > > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom > > .Also > > > > an young > > > > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can > > > > Control > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like > > a > > > > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear Santosh Ji, There was really no need for it,but I have since read your next mail in question. It is so nice of you. Thanks a lot! Raj Bhardwaj , santhosh10 wrote: > > Raj jee, > That was a mistake on my part. I have appologised sincerely. > Hope you read that mail too. > Anyway you have thanked me twice and as courtesy demands ' you are welcome' > > God bless you > Santhosh > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 > Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:46:38 > > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Common Sense... > > Dear Santosh Ji, > > Thanks a lot for enlighetning me. I am obliged. With regards. > Raj Bhardwaj > > , Santhosh Panicker <santhosh10@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raj ji, > > thats the middle of brows. sometimes called as the point of third eye by some. It is also the location of the second chakra after crown chakra. > > regards > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@> > > > > Mon, 5 April, 2010 4:04:42 PM > > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Common Sense... > > > >  > > That is what is in 'Bhroo-Madhya' ! I am waiting a feedback from > > Kulbir too! > > > > Raj Bhardwaj. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar, Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires, with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility' , the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra- Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com<% 40. com> > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement. [correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[ nothing good > > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician] , without > > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear Kulbir, Every quote given from the Lal Kitaab is really very philosophical with deep meaning,which one can understand only like a real Saadhak. Bhai mere, deepak mere, if you have time ,do try to give the english translation of the related Armaans and quotes. It will help others also to understand the meanings easily and grasp the underlying importance and thus learn quite a lot which have made all to misunderstand the depth of Lal Kitaab. No one has done it, so please you must do it. Main to Kayaal ho gaya hoon !Tumko Naam bhi milega aur Ram bhi zaroor milega. Maya ka kya hai-Ayegee toh Jayegee bhee! With lots of affection and my blessings. Raj Bhardwaj medies , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji, > > For Jupiter in 10th house the introductory lines are; > > " GuruVar 10vein mein hua swarag lok ke kaam, Lalach mein dono gaye maya mili > na Ram; > > Ghar Shani ke aan kar * " GURU CHADAVE SVAAS " *, Grah koi na chal sake sirf > shani ki aas.'' > > This portion ghar shani ke 10th house * " GURU CHADAVE SVAAS " *is of immense > importance; > > If still someone considers this book as BOOK OF TONE TOTKE then what can one > do. > > Armaan no.2 ; Is mazmoon se ROOH-BUTH ke maidaan ka andar bahar v KHUDAI- > RAAZ ka pata chalta hai. > > 1939 starts with..... Is huqamname ko padhne ke liye hi duniyadaaron ne > zaari kiya hai. jo ZAGIRA TO WAHAM KA KHUSAQ JHAGDA MALOOM HOTA HAI MAGAR > DARASAL KUCH MAYNNI AUR SAMANDAR KI ZAHIRI RANGAT KI TARAH APNI TAH MEIN > KEEMATI ZAVAHARAT RAKHTA HAI, JIN KI ASAL KIMMAT EK JANANE WAALE SE CHUPPI > NAHIN. > > Now if a person starts doing prediction and UPAYGIRI instead of > understanding Ghar Shani ke aan kar * " GURU CHADAVE SVAAS " *, -- Why? What > does it denote? Lalkitab is not going to work for him AFTER A CERTAIN POINT. > this is not superstition lest someone misinterprets it. But Simply practical > and logical statement. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > > > > > That is what is in 'Bhroo-Madhya'! I am waiting a feedback from > > Kulbir too! > > > > Raj Bhardwaj. > > > > <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you > > did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal > > Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai > > Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... > > Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have > > started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do > > not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab > > Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in > > this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 > > sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of > > Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this > > little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best > > wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia > > etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions > > about it, I am sure :-) > > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that > > saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, > > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision > > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these > > show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in > > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki > > lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the > > chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all > > the > > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > reference to any > > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens > > when Sun and > > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths > > of various > > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury > > =4/9, > > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having > > 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual > > power. > > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by > > Pakistan. > > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden > > brings sweat > > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all > > Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and > > beneficial[with > > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with > > combination of > > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it > > is very > > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of > > buddhimaan ji > > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also > > an young > > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can > > Control > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Kulbir_praa, Thanks for your kind words. On the one hand ketu (nodes in general) create 'dhundh' and sadly in most cases this seems to be true, but under certain situations, they also bestow the potential ability to detect 'nodal politics!' These two give the ability to detect 'pakhand' and similar types of 'dhundh'. In certain professions, this ability comes in very handy and indeed may be important for survival. In a sharirik sense Rahu does not have feet, whereas ketu does not have a physical head. Both are potentially compensated by the ethereal counterparts of feet and head and their functions. Sorry if I am boring you with all these basic considerations. Vanaprastha main thodi bakbak karlayn bhai, phir to Sanyaas Ashram main maun ho jaanaa padega naa :-) Bade 'Deepak' bhaiyaa ki baat suno aur roman lipi main likhay kuch shabdon paar dhyaan do jaisay ki rD. Achchaa hint diya hai unnay, baat pak®do varnaa rok®dhaa kharab kar daingay duniyawaalay! ;-) Affectionate regards, Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > SiRR ji , EVERY WORD IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT JI. > > especially //In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains > the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando > in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa!// > > KETU in Lalkitab has been referred as CHALLIYAA; CHALAWA in its most > feared position (planetary placement) > > Sir, This might be of interest to you ''ARMAAN NO.4 SAFED KAGAZ (BUDH) PAR > FITKARI (alum) SE LIKHA HUA CHANDRA KI ROSHINI YA PAANI MEIN NAZAR NA PADA. > LEKIN JAB SOORAJ KA SAATH HUA TO VAHI GUMNAAM HARF SAFEEDEE SE KHUD-B-KHUD > SYAH HO GAYE. HO B HO ISS HI TARAH RAHU - KETU (MASNOI SHUKKRA GRAHSAT > DUNIYA MEIN) BUDH KE AAKAR MEIN GHOOM RAHE HAIN. AUR SOORAJ CHANDRA KE > RAASTE MEIN KHUD-B-KHUD PAIDA HO JAATE HAIN.'' > > Lots of Respect > Kulbir Bains. > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions > > about it, I am sure :-) > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that > > saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, > > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision > > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show > > up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in > > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar > > nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. > > Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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