Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat bahat

concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is little

one can  do and except a bit of introspection.The only way to counter it is to

find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This is what

we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain as an

intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish her

wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic value

system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in grief

but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya.  

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

 

Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and Dogs " here

and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to sample

what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

 

 

 

It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a sense!!

 

 

 

The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that represents

a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of friends.

Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI from VI

-- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

 

 

 

In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A friend

is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we meet,

suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

 

 

 

We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And 'V'

represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

 

 

 

But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

 

 

 

Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

 

 

 

Warm Regards,

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Vattam Krishnan_jee,

 

Your wrote: " bahvat bahat " ??

 

You meant BHAVAT-BHAVAM, I hope?

 

Those who categorize SENIORS too carelessly whether by age or CASTE or personal

agendae are simply reckless! Includingly the ones who confess publicly or those

who are trying to put it across slyly so under linguistic excuses!

 

In one form or another...

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection.The only way to counter it

is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This is

what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain as

an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya.  

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

>

> Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

>

>

>

Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and Dogs "

here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

>

>

>

> It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

>

>

>

> The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

>

>

>

> In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

>

>

>

> We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And 'V'

represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

>

>

>

> But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

>

>

>

> Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

>

>

>

> Warm Regards,

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

 

[Guest guest]

Some conscious efforts called for are certainly helpful.let's hope wisdom to

prevail.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

 

Friday, April 9, 2010, 11:38 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vattam Krishnan_jee,

 

 

 

Your wrote: " bahvat bahat " ??

 

 

 

You meant BHAVAT-BHAVAM, I hope?

 

 

 

Those who categorize SENIORS too carelessly whether by age or CASTE or personal

agendae are simply reckless! Includingly the ones who confess publicly or those

who are trying to put it across slyly so under linguistic excuses!

 

 

 

In one form or another...

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection. The only way to counter

it is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This

is what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain

as an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya.  

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

 

>

 

> Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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>

 

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>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and Dogs "

here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And 'V'

represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Warm Regards,

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Hmm...

 

What does this really mean, Sir?

 

What kind of Wisdom are you trying to bring in, here?

 

You have been using Prof. B.V. Raman's quote in your signature for sometime

here, but have you even used his ayanamsha?

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Some conscious efforts called for are certainly helpful.let's hope wisdom to

prevail.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

[Guest guest]

The reprimand helps for future and certainly the class you wish to

Thanx

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

 

Friday, April 9, 2010, 11:38 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vattam Krishnan_jee,

 

 

 

Your wrote: " bahvat bahat " ??

 

 

 

You meant BHAVAT-BHAVAM, I hope?

 

 

 

Those who categorize SENIORS too carelessly whether by age or CASTE or personal

agendae are simply reckless! Includingly the ones who confess publicly or those

who are trying to put it across slyly so under linguistic excuses!

 

 

 

In one form or another...

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection. The only way to counter

it is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This

is what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain

as an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya.  

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

 

>

 

> Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and Dogs "

here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And 'V'

represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Warm Regards,

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Sir,

I got affiliation through BVR's ICAS and hence very little choice not to know or

not to use.of course as a penchant prefer Lahiri for regular use.It might help

to avoid doubts on location of plantes and lagna etc.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

 

Saturday, April 10, 2010, 12:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm...

 

 

 

What does this really mean, Sir?

 

 

 

What kind of Wisdom are you trying to bring in, here?

 

 

 

You have been using Prof. B.V. Raman's quote in your signature for sometime

here, but have you even used his ayanamsha?

 

 

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Some conscious efforts called for are certainly helpful.let' s hope wisdom to

prevail.

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishnan jee,

 

So, you started with Raman ayanamsha but gave it up and adopted Chitra Paksha

Ayanamsha in your practice, did I understand you correctly?

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Sir,

> I got affiliation through BVR's ICAS and hence very little choice not to know

or not to use.of course as a penchant prefer Lahiri for regular use.It might

help to avoid doubts on location of plantes and lagna etc.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

[Guest guest]

No reprimand indicated Krishnan jee (meri majaal hai kay aap ko reprimand

karoon!). I was not sure if BBm was what you meant -- as message was a bit

cryptic, plus the HIGH ASCII Andaas make the text less intelligible ;-)

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> The reprimand helps for future and certainly the class you wish to

> Thanx

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

>

> Friday, April 9, 2010, 11:38 PM

>

 

>

>

>

Vattam Krishnan_jee,

>

>

>

> Your wrote: " bahvat bahat " ??

>

>

>

> You meant BHAVAT-BHAVAM, I hope?

>

>

>

> Those who categorize SENIORS too carelessly whether by age or CASTE or

personal agendae are simply reckless! Includingly the ones who confess publicly

or those who are trying to put it across slyly so under linguistic excuses!

>

>

>

> In one form or another...

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection. The only way to counter

it is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This

is what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain

as an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya.  

>

> >

>

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> >

>

> > --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> > Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

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here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And

'V' represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Warm Regards,

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[Guest guest]

Dear RRjee,

 

Quite long ago I had a long drwan discussion with Parthasarthy on this topic and

as is always the case none of us could convince each other.I would just give

what KP system says on this.

 

Actually 6th house is very important house for success of any native.

Seventh house are in genral people coming before you in cometitions, enemity,

partners etc. !2 to 7th is 6th.Loss to others is gain to native. So 6th becomes

important Upchaya house for success in examination, jobs, cometitions, in court

cases.

5th house is house 11th from 7th, so it is very bad for native in these matters

as others win and native loses. In countless charts in this forum, job loss

situation is seen from 5th house or 9th house which are 12th to 6th and 10th.

Inder

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection.The only way to counter it

is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This is

what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain as

an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya.  

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

>

> Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

>

>

>

Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and Dogs "

here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

>

>

>

> It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

>

>

>

> The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

>

>

>

> In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

>

>

>

> We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And 'V'

represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

>

>

>

> But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

>

>

>

> Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

>

>

>

> Warm Regards,

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

For Job loss in case v adopt K.P system a better picture would emerge instead of

5th which is 11th to 7th to indicate others succeed.is this so?

Dada probably has made out a bonuse offer in his silent but valuable message by

saying:

//you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at the same

time!//

This again we need to set right our 6th house for practice purpose and win

finally

Isn't it? 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

 

inder <indervohra2001

Re: Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

 

Sunday, April 11, 2010, 7:36 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear RRjee,

 

 

 

Quite long ago I had a long drwan discussion with Parthasarthy on this topic and

as is always the case none of us could convince each other.I would just give

what KP system says on this.

 

 

 

Actually 6th house is very important house for success of any native.

 

Seventh house are in genral people coming before you in cometitions, enemity,

partners etc. !2 to 7th is 6th.Loss to others is gain to native. So 6th becomes

important Upchaya house for success in examination, jobs, cometitions, in court

cases.

 

5th house is house 11th from 7th, so it is very bad for native in these matters

as others win and native loses. In countless charts in this forum, job loss

situation is seen from 5th house or 9th house which are 12th to 6th and 10th.

 

Inder

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection. The only way to counter

it is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This

is what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain

as an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya.  

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

 

>

 

> Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

 

>

 

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> Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and Dogs "

here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And 'V'

represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Warm Regards,

 

>

 

>

 

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> Rohiniranjan

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Inder ji

 

by limiting ourselves to mere 12th house to a bhava and not using other

valuable tools our rishies have given and choose what mortals who never cud go

anywhere near their path and choose short cuts by gift of their gab they

succeeded, even KP's own children who practice it are nowhere near even a start

up in traditional astrologers leave alone the so called claims of KP.

 

there r some who choose to use diff ayanams in KP starting from NEW KP ayanamsa,

lahiris, ramans, yukteswar and some even their own so how can we say this system

works where as our rishies path has been working for us if we observe some min

adaptations to our times.

 

as far as 5th and 9t the 2 important Kona houses if they r aflicted surely their

poorva and uttara karma r v bad that is for uttara to suffer this life must add

its -ve side than allow room for improvement which a horoscopes does show unless

ignored or or due to indifference as Raman ji said fools obey what the planets

say, wise ppl try to make the best of it.

 

and we need to study several applicable elements in a reading than just 12th to

a house.

 

 

 

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

inder <indervohra2001

 

Sun, April 11, 2010 5:06:36 PM

Re: Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

 

 

Dear RRjee,

 

Quite long ago I had a long drwan discussion with Parthasarthy on this topic and

as is always the case none of us could convince each other.I would just give

what KP system says on this.

 

Actually 6th house is very important house for success of any native.

Seventh house are in genral people coming before you in cometitions, enemity,

partners etc. !2 to 7th is 6th.Loss to others is gain to native. So 6th becomes

important Upchaya house for success in examination, jobs, cometitions, in court

cases.

5th house is house 11th from 7th, so it is very bad for native in these matters

as others win and native loses. In countless charts in this forum, job loss

situation is seen from 5th house or 9th house which are 12th to 6th and 10th.

Inder

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection. The only way to counter

it is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This

is what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain

as an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya. Â

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

>

> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

>

> Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Â

>

>

>

Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and Dogs "

here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

>

>

>

> It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

>

>

>

> The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

>

>

>

> In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

>

>

>

> We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And 'V'

represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

>

>

>

> But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

>

>

>

> Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

>

>

>

> Warm Regards,

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Inder jee,

 

Please enlighten us great unwashed, as to WHICH house in a horoscope is

unimportant ;-)

 

RR_,

 

, " inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> Dear RRjee,

>

> Quite long ago I had a long drwan discussion with Parthasarthy on this topic

and as is always the case none of us could convince each other.I would just give

what KP system says on this.

>

> Actually 6th house is very important house for success of any native.

> Seventh house are in genral people coming before you in cometitions, enemity,

partners etc. !2 to 7th is 6th.Loss to others is gain to native. So 6th becomes

important Upchaya house for success in examination, jobs, cometitions, in court

cases.

> 5th house is house 11th from 7th, so it is very bad for native in these

matters as others win and native loses. In countless charts in this forum, job

loss situation is seen from 5th house or 9th house which are 12th to 6th and

10th.

> Inder

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection.The only way to counter it

is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This is

what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain as

an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya.  

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

> > --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

> >

> > Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

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> >

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> >

> > Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and Dogs "

here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

> >

> >

> >

> > It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

> >

> >

> >

> > The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

> >

> >

> >

> > In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

> >

> >

> >

> > We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And

'V' represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

> >

> >

> >

> > But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

> >

> >

> >

> > Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

> >

> >

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

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[Guest guest]

Simply put, KP has been around for 60-70 years and yet hasn't really caught on

as should have been expected from what has always been claimed to be a perfect

system by some of its proponents.

 

I have always wondered why!

 

That said, KSK certainly was well known to have made some very uncanny

predictions using the horary approach, or so I had heard.

 

RR_,

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear Inder ji

>

> by limiting ourselves to mere 12th house to a bhava and not using other

valuable tools our rishies have given and choose what mortals who never cud go

anywhere near their path and choose short cuts by gift of their gab they

succeeded, even KP's own children who practice it are nowhere near even a start

up in traditional astrologers leave alone the so called claims of KP.

>

> there r some who choose to use diff ayanams in KP starting from NEW KP

ayanamsa, lahiris, ramans, yukteswar and some even their own so how can we say

this system works where as our rishies path has been working for us if we

observe some min adaptations to our times.

>

> as far as 5th and 9t the 2 important Kona houses if they r aflicted surely

their poorva and uttara karma r v bad that is for uttara to suffer this life

must add its -ve side than allow room for improvement which a horoscopes does

show unless ignored or or due to indifference as Raman ji said fools obey what

the planets say, wise ppl try to make the best of it.

>

> and we need to study several applicable elements in a reading than just 12th

to a house.

>

>

>

> - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> inder <indervohra2001

>

> Sun, April 11, 2010 5:06:36 PM

> Re: Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

>

>

> Dear RRjee,

>

> Quite long ago I had a long drwan discussion with Parthasarthy on this topic

and as is always the case none of us could convince each other.I would just give

what KP system says on this.

>

> Actually 6th house is very important house for success of any native.

> Seventh house are in genral people coming before you in cometitions, enemity,

partners etc. !2 to 7th is 6th.Loss to others is gain to native. So 6th becomes

important Upchaya house for success in examination, jobs, cometitions, in court

cases.

> 5th house is house 11th from 7th, so it is very bad for native in these

matters as others win and native loses. In countless charts in this forum, job

loss situation is seen from 5th house or 9th house which are 12th to 6th and

10th.

> Inder

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection. The only way to counter

it is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This

is what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain

as an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya. Â

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> >

> > --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

> >

> > Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

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> > Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and Dogs "

here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

> >

> >

> >

> > It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

> >

> >

> >

> > The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

> >

> >

> >

> > In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

> >

> >

> >

> > We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And

'V' represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

> >

> >

> >

> > But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

> >

> >

> >

> > Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

> >

> >

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

Each house of a horoscope is very important. For material, professinal, jobs

aspects sucess, 2nd, 6th and 10th triangle is important.

Inder

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

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> Inder jee,

>

> Please enlighten us great unwashed, as to WHICH house in a horoscope is

unimportant ;-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRjee,

> >

> > Quite long ago I had a long drwan discussion with Parthasarthy on this topic

and as is always the case none of us could convince each other.I would just give

what KP system says on this.

> >

> > Actually 6th house is very important house for success of any native.

> > Seventh house are in genral people coming before you in cometitions,

enemity, partners etc. !2 to 7th is 6th.Loss to others is gain to native. So 6th

becomes important Upchaya house for success in examination, jobs, cometitions,

in court cases.

> > 5th house is house 11th from 7th, so it is very bad for native in these

matters as others win and native loses. In countless charts in this forum, job

loss situation is seen from 5th house or 9th house which are 12th to 6th and

10th.

> > Inder

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection.The only way to counter it

is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This is

what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain as

an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya.  

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

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to sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

> > >

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> > > It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

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> > > The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

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> > > In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

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> > > We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And

'V' represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

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> > > But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI

have this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff

that makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

> > >

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> > > Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people

you experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental,

there is much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too,

both at the same time!

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[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

1]You are right one has to see things and issues in broader ways considering all

the aspects, not base on single consideration like 12th.

 

2] 12th to any house is negation to prospects of that house, this is a basic

astrological rule.

 

3] First, 5th and 9th are most important for spritual, mental,intellectual,

physical etc well being.You can read any texts thousands of aspects are covered

by these house.

 

4]Kp's Sons are where ,I donot know. If father reaches a peak, it is mostly seen

that next genration looks pale in comparision.You can not expect Sunil

Gavasker's son to reach that height as his father was.

 

5]Astrology is indicator of future.So any ayanmasa can be chosen and calibrated

as per choise to serve perpose.

 

Inder

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear Inder ji

>

> by limiting ourselves to mere 12th house to a bhava and not using other

valuable tools our rishies have given and choose what mortals who never cud go

anywhere near their path and choose short cuts by gift of their gab they

succeeded, even KP's own children who practice it are nowhere near even a start

up in traditional astrologers leave alone the so called claims of KP.

>

> there r some who choose to use diff ayanams in KP starting from NEW KP

ayanamsa, lahiris, ramans, yukteswar and some even their own so how can we say

this system works where as our rishies path has been working for us if we

observe some min adaptations to our times.

>

> as far as 5th and 9t the 2 important Kona houses if they r aflicted surely

their poorva and uttara karma r v bad that is for uttara to suffer this life

must add its -ve side than allow room for improvement which a horoscopes does

show unless ignored or or due to indifference as Raman ji said fools obey what

the planets say, wise ppl try to make the best of it.

>

> and we need to study several applicable elements in a reading than just 12th

to a house.

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> - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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> ________________________________

> inder <indervohra2001

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> Sun, April 11, 2010 5:06:36 PM

> Re: Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

>

>

> Dear RRjee,

>

> Quite long ago I had a long drwan discussion with Parthasarthy on this topic

and as is always the case none of us could convince each other.I would just give

what KP system says on this.

>

> Actually 6th house is very important house for success of any native.

> Seventh house are in genral people coming before you in cometitions, enemity,

partners etc. !2 to 7th is 6th.Loss to others is gain to native. So 6th becomes

important Upchaya house for success in examination, jobs, cometitions, in court

cases.

> 5th house is house 11th from 7th, so it is very bad for native in these

matters as others win and native loses. In countless charts in this forum, job

loss situation is seen from 5th house or 9th house which are 12th to 6th and

10th.

> Inder

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection. The only way to counter

it is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This

is what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain

as an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya. Â

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> >

> > --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

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> > Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

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here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose to

sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

> >

> >

> >

> > It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

> >

> >

> >

> > The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

> >

> >

> >

> > In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

> >

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> >

> > We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And

'V' represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

> >

> >

> >

> > But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI have

this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff that

makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

> >

> >

> >

> > Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people you

experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental, there is

much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too, both at

the same time!

> >

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> > Warm Regards,

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> > Rohiniranjan

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[Guest guest]

It appears that KP system was not so lucky!

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

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> Simply put, KP has been around for 60-70 years and yet hasn't really caught on

as should have been expected from what has always been claimed to be a perfect

system by some of its proponents.

>

> I have always wondered why!

>

> That said, KSK certainly was well known to have made some very uncanny

predictions using the horary approach, or so I had heard.

>

> RR_,

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Inder ji

> >

> > by limiting ourselves to mere 12th house to a bhava and not using other

valuable tools our rishies have given and choose what mortals who never cud go

anywhere near their path and choose short cuts by gift of their gab they

succeeded, even KP's own children who practice it are nowhere near even a start

up in traditional astrologers leave alone the so called claims of KP.

> >

> > there r some who choose to use diff ayanams in KP starting from NEW KP

ayanamsa, lahiris, ramans, yukteswar and some even their own so how can we say

this system works where as our rishies path has been working for us if we

observe some min adaptations to our times.

> >

> > as far as 5th and 9t the 2 important Kona houses if they r aflicted surely

their poorva and uttara karma r v bad that is for uttara to suffer this life

must add its -ve side than allow room for improvement which a horoscopes does

show unless ignored or or due to indifference as Raman ji said fools obey what

the planets say, wise ppl try to make the best of it.

> >

> > and we need to study several applicable elements in a reading than just 12th

to a house.

> >

> >

> >

> > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> >

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

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> > ________________________________

> > inder <indervohra2001@>

> >

> > Sun, April 11, 2010 5:06:36 PM

> > Re: Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

> >

> >

> > Dear RRjee,

> >

> > Quite long ago I had a long drwan discussion with Parthasarthy on this topic

and as is always the case none of us could convince each other.I would just give

what KP system says on this.

> >

> > Actually 6th house is very important house for success of any native.

> > Seventh house are in genral people coming before you in cometitions,

enemity, partners etc. !2 to 7th is 6th.Loss to others is gain to native. So 6th

becomes important Upchaya house for success in examination, jobs, cometitions,

in court cases.

> > 5th house is house 11th from 7th, so it is very bad for native in these

matters as others win and native loses. In countless charts in this forum, job

loss situation is seen from 5th house or 9th house which are 12th to 6th and

10th.

> > Inder

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri RR Ji,It is very interesting to read about the importance bahvat

bahat concepts relating to friends,foes and melodramas there of.yet,there is

little one can  do and except a bit of introspection. The only way to counter

it is to find house that is most desirable and involved in positive aspects.This

is what we should attempt to highlight as rest of the life matters always remain

as an intrigue and some time question our basics also.Ma certainly does not wish

her wards to engage in negative things that only further deteriorate the basic

value system.we have already seen one of our member by age a very senior and in

grief but not prepared to reconcile to the facts but wants further mudslinging

issues.These situations r not un common but the attempt should not be to

derogate a valuable and highly regarded contents of vedic vigyan,vedanga and

jyotish vidya. Â

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 4/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Drama, Melodrama and then there are those ...!

> > >

> > > Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:05 PM

> > >

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> > > Today, I had some time on my hands and it was raining " Cats and

Dogs " here and so rather than watching TV (Aastha channel, of course!), I chose

to sample what was going around on Jyotish-Internet- Nalanda and other ones!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It was sad what I saw, the politics of the friends, enemies! Alumni in a

sense!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The enemies are generally represented by the VI house. The house that

represents a loss of VI happens to be V and so some take that as the house of

friends. Others think of XI as the house of friends, because XI happens to be VI

from VI -- Sixth from sixth! Enemy's enemy has got to be the friend! But not

necessarily! For a simple reason:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In jyotish, we must never think of Friends and Gain in the same breath! A

friend is not just for an earning or gain (XI) but really about one who when we

meet, suddenly makes the enemies unimportant -- as if finding the friend meant

suddenly a complete loss and absence of enemies!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > We ALL learn about love from " IV " -- where Ma lives in our horoscopes. And

'V' represents HER 'DHAN Bhav'!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > But XI lies in the VIII from the source of LOVE (4th) and yet, V and XI

have this I-VII relationship, in jyotish fundamental terms! The kind of stuff

that makes some of us understand and realize what jyotish is really about.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Actually, Jyotish is much closer to life=Human experience and the people

you experience and run into -- and if you are observant and not judgmental,

there is much to learn. But you got to keep your eyes open and your heart too,

both at the same time!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

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> > > Rohiniranjan

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