Birth time raectification Request-Look for family stamps 9//0

January 9, 2010

Dear Krishna ji,

this is true that birth time recorded is normally approx as the mother has no

way of monitering it normally rarely r they in a calm state, anxiety

overwhelming the event the nurses, doctors too only when they finish the chord

cutting, washing do they moniter time with a few min backwards approx.

in the west and now in India the father of the child to be born or the mother of

the lady carrying are allowed to witness the event who r jobless and can monitor

the time correctly with no other role max enjoy such a sight of beauty of

NATURE! reproducing itself.

and KP we know find more amusing ways to FIX birth time [THIS WEHN WE POINTED TO

pkt ALSO HE FEELS WE R GANGING UP AGAINST HIM WITH mISRA JI WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE km

WAS A GOOD ASTROLOGER NOT HIS MODEL OF CALCULATIONS THOUGH.

as far as birth time is concered we can reverse engineer the events in the

child, family and also work on it

also the dominant features of a family will be visible in any chart over all

major combinations

plus Lagna , amsa lagna or chandra rasi can be trines, or kendras to their

parents or the lords there of in a particular fashion we can see this clearly in

large families smaller ones we can't appreciate it so easily but can still be

visible

say in our family

we find for 5 generations Guru Vakri IN many cases

in 2 generations esp patenal side Kuja inKanya my case it is just

birder-entering

chandra+sani conjunction,aspect

ravi+kuja in some

my 1st BIL's case for 3 generations i found fixed Lagnas with rahu-ketu axis

and predicted the 3rd generation child just on 2 generations pattern did work

my 2nd BIL's case said Guru will be either aspecting a airel sign or be placed

there if the lattrer happens then lagna can be aireal - it was

we fan find family pattern stamps in most cases if we see

KN Rao ji too had given the guru+sani position/stamps in some article in AM's

prashant

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

Fri, January 8, 2010 12:32:19 PM

Re: Birth time raectification Request

Dear Mr Prince,

Even if it happens to be Gemini,degrees indicated as rising sign can be

verified.In Jyotish there is " bhavasphuta " concept.Any thing beyond 25 degrees

refers to next sign.In your case it is cancer.

Like wise any thing below 5 deg of sign.normally known also is interms of

overlapping as cusp.

The recorded time whether before or after,it is a recorded version.This the base

for analysing the horoscope.Birth time rectification usually done in KP

AStrology,is a kind of manipulation based on events that come up in life at a

later stage.Linking these incidents and arriving at time of birth as rectified

has less meaning than having a doubt on recorded time.infact theory of birth has

it's own implication.

Mother who gives birth at the time of birth in a highly emtional state is

assisted at the time of delivery.It is their version,which is the correct one

and is to be believed.

In the instnces mentioned where lagna is likely to change in a span of 1015

minuetes,possibly, jyotish can still ways to deal and study the events of

present and past..

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz > wrote:

Prince Raj <moodyboyz >

Re: Birth time raectification Request

Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:42 PM

I agree with Suresh ji,

My hospital recorded birth time is 13 Minutes ahead from the lagna change time.

And different astrologers have different views. Some say my lagna should be

Gemini and some say My Lagna should be Cancer as per Hospital timings....

In your case the Hospital Time would be correct as its 10 minutes before the

acs. chaning time.

Logically we can think of rectification when its ahead the acs. time. As when

baby is delivered everbody may be busy in taking care of monther and new born...

and due to that delay in recording time. So the recorded time would be ahead of

the actual time of birth.

Regards

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Birth time raectification Request

Friday, January 8, 2010, 9:56 AM

Dear Vijay Maheshwari,

What is the Mystery in this? If your hospital records show 00:50:00AM, then that

is it. Just because at 1:00:00AM the ascendant changes desn't qualify for a TOB

correction. Or is it that you believe, if the ascendant is changed, your

fortunes shall be better?

If you ask 10 astrologers, they will give 10 different TOB and supplement with

100 arguments to back their claims through their own systems.

My own elder's brothers TOB is doubtfull and when I asked my mother about it,

the answer she gave was " he was born when the eye- doctor living next door came

home for his regular coffee " .

You are atleast fortunate to have a hospital record. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

VeeKay <veekay201301@ .co. in>

Fri, January 8, 2010 9:23:57 AM

Birth time raectification Request

Dear Sirs,

I thank you all for efforts and time taken to solve the querry.I really hope

some can solve this mystry to me.

My Details are as below :

DOB - Jan.8,1968

TOB - 01:00 AM (but my hosital records shows 00:50 AM) This changes my

ascendant.

POB - Aligarh (INDIA) 27* 54 N and 78* 04 E

Life Events as remembered:

1, Education : 10th Standard - 1984, 12th Standard - 1986, B.Com -

1989

2, Started working with my father in his business from 1987 but fully

involved in it by Jun.1989. But separated from father's business in

Jun.1991 due to family problems relating to wife not able to settle

in joint family and moved to Delhi and started my Beads wholesale

shop. Then I switched to work for a export company from Jan.1994 till

Dec.1996 and then got in to partnership business with father again.

But had to separate again due to family matters relating to wife

again in Jan. 2003. Since then I own a sole proprietorship firm.

3, First Overseas travel on 4/4/1990 to Mauritius but second one on

10/6/95 to Europe, 22/10/95 to Japan, 21/4/96 to USA, 14/10/1996 I

traveled to Singapore and 13/3/97 to South Africa. But after that I

am traveling 1-4 times a year on my travel USA only every year till

2003 as I concentrated on my USA market since 1998. After that once a year as my

business declined very sharply and it is dead right now and i am looking for a

new venture or job to feed my family. It had effected my relationship with my

wife also.

4, Marriage : 17/2/1990 Wife's DOB - 13/4/1970, TOB - 7:42 AM,

POB -Firozabad (UP) Lati. - 27N 09', Longi. - 78E24'

5, Son's DOB - 22/11/1990, TOB-12:13PM (Afternoon), POB - Sikandra Rao

(UP), Lati.-27N42' and Longi - 78N21',

Daughter's DOB - 4/11/1997, TOB-7:40 AM, POB - New Delhi

6, Met a fatal scooter accident in Aug.1994 and survived only due to

good long helmet and did not came off my head, Otherwise no more.

Second scooter accident in Jan.1996 and again survived again due to a

good helmet but broke shoulder bone.

7, My father had a serious heart attack in June 1987

Thank you and Best Regards,

Vijay Maheshwari

January 9, 2010

Kumar ji,

I was present during the birth of my children and was not jobless but actually

given the time off to attend what were possibly the most important moments in my

current lifetime ;-)

And learned a lot due to my presence right there in the thick of the things, as

the expression goes! And, the experience made me learn even more about the

people who were with me when the children were born!

Learned a lot not just about the birthing process and what the birthing team

does and can encounter but also a lot about astrology and its NUANCES!

And, trust me, it does have NUANCES! Just as the process of BIRTHING does!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> this is true that birth time recorded is normally approx as the mother has no

way of monitering it normally rarely r they in a calm state, anxiety

overwhelming the event the nurses, doctors too only when they finish the chord

cutting, washing do they moniter time with a few min backwards approx.

>

> in the west and now in India the father of the child to be born or the mother

of the lady carrying are allowed to witness the event who r jobless and can

monitor the time correctly with no other role max enjoy such a sight of beauty

of NATURE! reproducing itself.

>

> and KP we know find more amusing ways to FIX birth time [THIS WEHN WE POINTED

TO pkt ALSO HE FEELS WE R GANGING UP AGAINST HIM WITH mISRA JI WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE

km WAS A GOOD ASTROLOGER NOT HIS MODEL OF CALCULATIONS THOUGH.

>

> as far as birth time is concered we can reverse engineer the events in the

child, family and also work on it

>

> also the dominant features of a family will be visible in any chart over all

major combinations

>

> plus Lagna , amsa lagna or chandra rasi can be trines, or kendras to their

parents or the lords there of in a particular fashion we can see this clearly in

large families smaller ones we can't appreciate it so easily but can still be

visible

>

> say in our family

>

> we find for 5 generations Guru Vakri IN many cases

>

> in 2 generations esp patenal side Kuja inKanya my case it is just

birder-entering

>

> chandra+sani conjunction,aspect

> ravi+kuja in some

>

> my 1st BIL's case for 3 generations i found fixed Lagnas with rahu-ketu axis

>

> and predicted the 3rd generation child just on 2 generations pattern did work

>

> my 2nd BIL's case said Guru will be either aspecting a airel sign or be placed

there if the lattrer happens then lagna can be aireal - it was

>

> we fan find family pattern stamps in most cases if we see

>

> KN Rao ji too had given the guru+sani position/stamps in some article in AM's

>

> prashant

>

> - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Fri, January 8, 2010 12:32:19 PM

> Re: Birth time raectification Request

>

> Dear Mr Prince,

> Even if it happens to be Gemini,degrees indicated as rising sign can be

verified.In Jyotish there is " bhavasphuta " concept.Any thing beyond 25 degrees

refers to next sign.In your case it is cancer.

> Like wise any thing below 5 deg of sign.normally known also is interms of

overlapping as cusp.

> The recorded time whether before or after,it is a recorded version.This the

base for analysing the horoscope.Birth time rectification usually done in KP

AStrology,is a kind of manipulation based on events that come up in life at a

later stage.Linking these incidents and arriving at time of birth as rectified

has less meaning than having a doubt on recorded time.infact theory of birth has

it's own implication.

> Mother who gives birth at the time of birth in a highly emtional state is

assisted at the time of delivery.It is their version,which is the correct one

and is to be believed.

> In the instnces mentioned where lagna is likely to change in a span of 1015

minuetes,possibly, jyotish can still ways to deal and study the events of

present and past..

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

> --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz > wrote:

>

> Prince Raj <moodyboyz >

> Re: Birth time raectification Request

>

> Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:42 PM

>

> I agree with Suresh ji,

>

> My hospital recorded birth time is 13 Minutes ahead from the lagna change

time. And different astrologers have different views. Some say my lagna should

be Gemini and some say My Lagna should be Cancer as per Hospital timings....

>

> In your case the Hospital Time would be correct as its 10 minutes before the

acs. chaning time.

>

> Logically we can think of rectification when its ahead the acs. time. As when

baby is delivered everbody may be busy in taking care of monther and new born...

and due to that delay in recording time. So the recorded time would be ahead of

the actual time of birth.

>

> Regards

>

> --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> Re: Birth time raectification Request

>

> Friday, January 8, 2010, 9:56 AM

>

> Dear Vijay Maheshwari,

>

> What is the Mystery in this? If your hospital records show 00:50:00AM, then

that is it. Just because at 1:00:00AM the ascendant changes desn't qualify for a

TOB correction. Or is it that you believe, if the ascendant is changed, your

fortunes shall be better?

>

> If you ask 10 astrologers, they will give 10 different TOB and supplement with

100 arguments to back their claims through their own systems.

>

> My own elder's brothers TOB is doubtfull and when I asked my mother about it,

the answer she gave was " he was born when the eye- doctor living next door came

home for his regular coffee " .

>

> You are atleast fortunate to have a hospital record. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> VeeKay <veekay201301@ .co. in>

>

> Fri, January 8, 2010 9:23:57 AM

> Birth time raectification Request

>

> Dear Sirs,

> I thank you all for efforts and time taken to solve the querry.I really hope

some can solve this mystry to me.

>

> My Details are as below :

> DOB - Jan.8,1968

> TOB - 01:00 AM (but my hosital records shows 00:50 AM) This changes my

ascendant.

> POB - Aligarh (INDIA) 27* 54 N and 78* 04 E

>

> Life Events as remembered:

>

> 1, Education : 10th Standard - 1984, 12th Standard - 1986, B.Com -

> 1989

>

> 2, Started working with my father in his business from 1987 but fully

> involved in it by Jun.1989. But separated from father's business in

> Jun.1991 due to family problems relating to wife not able to settle

> in joint family and moved to Delhi and started my Beads wholesale

> shop. Then I switched to work for a export company from Jan.1994 till

> Dec.1996 and then got in to partnership business with father again.

> But had to separate again due to family matters relating to wife

> again in Jan. 2003. Since then I own a sole proprietorship firm.

>

> 3, First Overseas travel on 4/4/1990 to Mauritius but second one on

> 10/6/95 to Europe, 22/10/95 to Japan, 21/4/96 to USA, 14/10/1996 I

> traveled to Singapore and 13/3/97 to South Africa. But after that I

> am traveling 1-4 times a year on my travel USA only every year till

> 2003 as I concentrated on my USA market since 1998. After that once a year as

my business declined very sharply and it is dead right now and i am looking for

a new venture or job to feed my family. It had effected my relationship with my

wife also.

>

> 4, Marriage : 17/2/1990 Wife's DOB - 13/4/1970, TOB - 7:42 AM,

> POB -Firozabad (UP) Lati. - 27N 09', Longi. - 78E24'

>

> 5, Son's DOB - 22/11/1990, TOB-12:13PM (Afternoon), POB - Sikandra Rao

> (UP), Lati.-27N42' and Longi - 78N21',

> Daughter's DOB - 4/11/1997, TOB-7:40 AM, POB - New Delhi

>

> 6, Met a fatal scooter accident in Aug.1994 and survived only due to

> good long helmet and did not came off my head, Otherwise no more.

> Second scooter accident in Jan.1996 and again survived again due to a

> good helmet but broke shoulder bone.

>

> 7, My father had a serious heart attack in June 1987

>

> Thank you and Best Regards,

> Vijay Maheshwari

>

January 9, 2010

Dear RRji,

I guess ur children were born overseas? and by jobless i meant they ARE NOT IN

THE STRESSFUL JOBs others in the room do,

any parent obviously this is a joyous moment to share , witneess i had conveyed

that line also [not used the joy word tho but natures delight]

and u have not comented on the family stamps part of the msg, what r ur thoughts

onthese as a tool for tOb RECTIFICATION how useful r they

esp with ur experience which is much more than most of us here.

only a v pathi in the grp does claim more yrs in the subject but is not active

here unfrotunately to ask for his views as well

I hope others like Krishna ji, mrityunjaya tripati, Suresh Babu ji pt arjun ji,

gopu ji Rafel G, etc coment on this

prashant

'

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Sat, January 9, 2010 9:33:13 AM

Re: Birth time raectification Request-Look for family stamps 9//0

Kumar ji,

I was present during the birth of my children and was not jobless but actually

given the time off to attend what were possibly the most important moments in my

current lifetime ;-)

And learned a lot due to my presence right there in the thick of the things, as

the expression goes! And, the experience made me learn even more about the

people who were with me when the children were born!

Learned a lot not just about the birthing process and what the birthing team

does and can encounter but also a lot about astrology and its NUANCES!

And, trust me, it does have NUANCES! Just as the process of BIRTHING does!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> this is true that birth time recorded is normally approx as the mother has no

way of monitering it normally rarely r they in a calm state, anxiety

overwhelming the event the nurses, doctors too only when they finish the chord

cutting, washing do they moniter time with a few min backwards approx.

>

> in the west and now in India the father of the child to be born or the mother

of the lady carrying are allowed to witness the event who r jobless and can

monitor the time correctly with no other role max enjoy such a sight of beauty

of NATURE! reproducing itself.

>

> and KP we know find more amusing ways to FIX birth time [THIS WEHN WE POINTED

TO pkt ALSO HE FEELS WE R GANGING UP AGAINST HIM WITH mISRA JI WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE

km WAS A GOOD ASTROLOGER NOT HIS MODEL OF CALCULATIONS THOUGH.

>

> as far as birth time is concered we can reverse engineer the events in the

child, family and also work on it

>

> also the dominant features of a family will be visible in any chart over all

major combinations

>

> plus Lagna , amsa lagna or chandra rasi can be trines, or kendras to their

parents or the lords there of in a particular fashion we can see this clearly in

large families smaller ones we can't appreciate it so easily but can still be

visible

>

> say in our family

>

> we find for 5 generations Guru Vakri IN many cases

>

> in 2 generations esp patenal side Kuja inKanya my case it is just

birder-entering

>

> chandra+sani conjunction, aspect

> ravi+kuja in some

>

> my 1st BIL's case for 3 generations i found fixed Lagnas with rahu-ketu axis

>

> and predicted the 3rd generation child just on 2 generations pattern did work

>

> my 2nd BIL's case said Guru will be either aspecting a airel sign or be placed

there if the lattrer happens then lagna can be aireal - it was

>

> we fan find family pattern stamps in most cases if we see

>

> KN Rao ji too had given the guru+sani position/stamps in some article in AM's

>

> prashant

>

> - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>