Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 The 12th and 2nd house from moon does not have a planet, moon is alone in the sign and jupiter is not in 1,4,7,10 from the moon. Classics call it bad, Dolly Parton the famous country-singer had this with moon rising. Her data is in the Astrodienst site if you wish to look it up. RR_, , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa wrote: > > > Namastheji, >  > Hope you are doing well. >  > Could you please be kind enough to tell me, What is Kemadruma yoga and how the houses are positioned for it. Is their any remedy or prayer to overcome it, if anyone has Kemadruma Yoga. > Anxiously waiting for your reply. >  >  > Best regards, >  Hari Kumar > " Dreams, Vision &  Thoughts lead to action, " >  > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > > > sleekhas <sleekhas > Re: Career Growth and Personal Life=lee=vivek sharma > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:38 PM > > >  > > > > dear vivek ji > > your bhagya planet saturn is sitting in house of mars in retro mode, > the v good time will start from 2014 onwards, here you will have good house and good job. > > please confirm the following > > i) r u fond of wearing blue or blace cloths > ii) do us use blue or blace under garments. > iii) is you eyebrows are touching each other in middle. > iv) in any one in your family got some eye problem. > v) do u use gree colour sun glasses > vi) r u keeping some megnifying glass in ur house. > > regards, > leekha > > , vivek sharma <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > Please suggest some remedies..thx > > > > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> > > Career Growth and Personal Life > > > > Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I came to know about this group from my friend and I really appreciate the way you are helping and guiding people in this group. > > > > > > > > Obviously, I came with few problems > > > > > > > > Career- I never get rewarded for my hardwork. Also my luck never favors me. I am not getting increment based on my job experience. > > > > > > > > Personal Life - I have lots of unnecessary tensions in my life. I am in depression because of all these things. > > > > > > > > Also if I do some upayas then it effects the health of my mother. > > > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies. > > > > > > > > My details are: > > > > > > > > DOB - 12-01-1980 > > > > TOB - 07:53 PM > > > > POB - JAMMU > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vivek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Yes Sir. Thanks for adding the aspect and navamsha consideration in addition to the other points which were covered by me earlier. Essentially, moon should be totally uninfluenced and without support. I suppose the logic can be taken a notch further and influences due to nakshatra association and perhaps even rashi-drishtis/sambandhas removed. And for further narrowing the negative influences, moon can be in poor in awasthas and shadbala etc. Only with such rigorous incarceration would perhaps kemadruma yoga show its venom. Otherwise, there could be individuals with so called superficial kemadruma yoga going on with their lives doing good work and being useful etc! :-) , " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear RR, > > Of memory serves me right, Parashara says that, simultaneously, there should be no graha in kendra nor Chandra be conjunct any graha. Manasagari goes even further and says that no graha (including Chandra) should be in kendra in Navamsha too, and neither should all grahas aspect Chandra to cause kemadruma when Chandra is bereft of presence of any graha in 2nd or 12th to itself. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > - > rohinicrystal > > Friday, April 09, 2010 10:32 PM > Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga > > > > The 12th and 2nd house from moon does not have a planet, moon is alone in the sign and jupiter is not in 1,4,7,10 from the moon. Classics call it bad, Dolly Parton the famous country-singer had this with moon rising. Her data is in the Astrodienst site if you wish to look it up. > > RR_, > > , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa@> wrote: > > > > > > Namastheji, > >  > > Hope you are doing well. > >  > > Could you please be kind enough to tell me, What is Kemadruma yoga and how the houses are positioned for it. Is their any remedy or prayer to overcome it, if anyone has Kemadruma Yoga. > > Anxiously waiting for your reply. > >  > >  > > Best regards, > >  Hari Kumar > > " Dreams, Vision &  Thoughts lead to action, " > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, sleekhas <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > sleekhas <sleekhas@> > > Re: Career Growth and Personal Life=lee=vivek sharma > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:38 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dear vivek ji > > > > your bhagya planet saturn is sitting in house of mars in retro mode, > > the v good time will start from 2014 onwards, here you will have good house and good job. > > > > please confirm the following > > > > i) r u fond of wearing blue or blace cloths > > ii) do us use blue or blace under garments. > > iii) is you eyebrows are touching each other in middle. > > iv) in any one in your family got some eye problem. > > v) do u use gree colour sun glasses > > vi) r u keeping some megnifying glass in ur house. > > > > regards, > > leekha > > > > , vivek sharma <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies..thx > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> > > > Career Growth and Personal Life > > > > > > Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know about this group from my friend and I really appreciate the way you are helping and guiding people in this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously, I came with few problems > > > > > > > > > > > > Career- I never get rewarded for my hardwork. Also my luck never favors me. I am not getting increment based on my job experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal Life - I have lots of unnecessary tensions in my life. I am in depression because of all these things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if I do some upayas then it effects the health of my mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies. > > > > > > > > > > > > My details are: > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB - 12-01-1980 > > > > > > TOB - 07:53 PM > > > > > > POB - JAMMU > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vivek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Dear Sureshbabu, I was quoting through memory. Some acharyas do think that navamsha position of chandra is of importance in kemedruma bhanga. Actually after receipt of your mail, I verified Manasagari and it does talk of Navamsha kendra too in kemedrumabhanga. Please check this up. " hitrvarkaM sunaphayuji durdharaascvaantau bhavaasthairgrahaiH shItaaMshaoH kathito nyathaa tu bahubhiH kemadrumotthaiH paraiH, kemdre shItakarethavaa grahayute kemdrumonepi te kecitkendranavaaMshakesviti vadaMtyuktiprasiddhaa na te... " There is a variation of Kemadruma according to Jaimini too. It has nothing to do with grahas on either side of chandra or surya. According to Jaimini identical number of malefics in 2nd and 8th from Janma lagna or arudha lagna leads to kemadruma. This is more so if there is also aspect of Chandra on either of them. Regards, Chandrashekhar - Suresh Babu.A.G Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:11 AM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Chandrashekar ji, Pardon me for intruding. Parshara says, " chandradyathanaa.antyastho(antyastho) vinaa bhaanuM na chedgrihaH kaschit syaadvaa vinaa chandraM lagnaat kendragato athavaa yogaH kemadrumo naama tatra jaato atogarhitaH " " budhividyaavihiinascha daridraapattisaMyutaH anyayogaphalaM hanti chandrayogo visheShataH svaphalaM pradadaatiiti budho yatnaad vichintayet " Manasagari says " ravirvarjyaM dvaadashagairanabhaachandraa dvitiiyagaissunabhaa ubhayasthitairdhurudhururaa kemadrumasaMGYa to anyathaavaachyaa " Its bhanga is given separately thus kumudagahanabandhu viikshamaaNaiH samsthai- rggaganagrihanivaasair diirghajiiviichavaasyaal phalamashubhasamuthaMyaccha kemadrumoktaM sabhavatinaranaathaH sarvabhaumojitaariH. puurNaHshashiyadibhavel shubhasaMsthitovaa saumyaamarejyabhrigu nandanasaMyutascha putraarthasaukhyajanakaH kathitomuniindraiH kemadrumebhavati maMgaLasuprasiddhi. There is no mention of navamsa in any of the above (parashara or Manasagari). According to Parashara, Kemadruma is formed when A) there are no planets other than Sun on either side of Moon B) or in its kendra (1/4/7/10) C) or not in the lagna Kendra. That is : all the conditions should be satisfied for forming the yoga. While Manasagari splits the above into Yoga & its bhanga. Yoga is formed if there are no planets other than sun on either side of moon. And the bhanga is caused of there are planets in its kendra or if Moon is strong with paksha bala (poorna-Pournami tithy) and is with mercury, venus or Jupiter or if they aspect it. Bhanga is given separately by most acharyas. And I think for a valid reason too. There is no doubt that every planet shall give its effect most during its dasa & anthardasa. So this effect of Kemadruma shall befall during the dasa / anathara / chidra of moon or the planet that takes or responsibility (paraspara karaka). However, there shall be bhanga through the planet that causes it mostly during its periods also. Which means, the native need not experience its throughout his life. The retribution shall depend on several other factors like strength of lagna, 2nd house, 10th house , 9th house and dispositor of moon. One may wander penniless & without honor in a distant land without knowing what to do and a distant relative may find him and ask him to come to his house. The first is yoga and the second is bhanga (saved by this relative). One might loose his job and his father may help him out till he gets another one. This is bhanga caused by the lord of the 9th. In most cases, it is short term issue, so many people do not give much thought to it. Even without this yoga, periods of both moon as well as Sun a bit difficult one, particularly that of moon. Basically, this amounts to the fact that a person is alone without any support. Hence, it depends on his will power and wits to stand alone and see through that period. One may have to struggle a bit to rise above those turbulent periods in life. Famous persons may or may not have this yoga and just because they are rich or famous may not mean that they have not undergone through difficult times. What is important is to understand an upcomming difficult period (either through self study as many does today or through any astrologer) and prepare oneself to brace it well. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar Fri, April 9, 2010 11:25:10 PM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Dear RR, Of memory serves me right, Parashara says that, simultaneously, there should be no graha in kendra nor Chandra be conjunct any graha. Manasagari goes even further and says that no graha (including Chandra) should be in kendra in Navamsha too, and neither should all grahas aspect Chandra to cause kemadruma when Chandra is bereft of presence of any graha in 2nd or 12th to itself. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - rohinicrystal Friday, April 09, 2010 10:32 PM Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga The 12th and 2nd house from moon does not have a planet, moon is alone in the sign and jupiter is not in 1,4,7,10 from the moon. Classics call it bad, Dolly Parton the famous country-singer had this with moon rising. Her data is in the Astrodienst site if you wish to look it up. RR_, , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa@ ...> wrote: > > > Namastheji, >  > Hope you are doing well. >  > Could you please be kind enough to tell me, What is Kemadruma yoga and how the houses are positioned for it. Is their any remedy or prayer to overcome it, if anyone has Kemadruma Yoga. > Anxiously waiting for your reply. >  >  > Best regards, >  Hari Kumar > " Dreams, Vision &  Thoughts lead to action, " >  > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, sleekhas <sleekhas@.. .> wrote: > > > sleekhas <sleekhas@.. .> > Re: Career Growth and Personal Life=lee=vivek sharma > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:38 PM > > >  > > > > dear vivek ji > > your bhagya planet saturn is sitting in house of mars in retro mode, > the v good time will start from 2014 onwards, here you will have good house and good job. > > please confirm the following > > i) r u fond of wearing blue or blace cloths > ii) do us use blue or blace under garments. > iii) is you eyebrows are touching each other in middle. > iv) in any one in your family got some eye problem. > v) do u use gree colour sun glasses > vi) r u keeping some megnifying glass in ur house. > > regards, > leekha > > , vivek sharma <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > Please suggest some remedies..thx > > > > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> > > Career Growth and Personal Life > > > > Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I came to know about this group from my friend and I really appreciate the way you are helping and guiding people in this group. > > > > > > > > Obviously, I came with few problems > > > > > > > > Career- I never get rewarded for my hardwork. Also my luck never favors me. I am not getting increment based on my job experience. > > > > > > > > Personal Life - I have lots of unnecessary tensions in my life. I am in depression because of all these things. > > > > > > > > Also if I do some upayas then it effects the health of my mother. > > > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies. > > > > > > > > My details are: > > > > > > > > DOB - 12-01-1980 > > > > TOB - 07:53 PM > > > > POB - JAMMU > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vivek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Dear Rohini Ranjan, I agree. In fact Jaimini considers it a kemadruma only when there are equal number of malefics in 2 and 8th in aspect of Chandra which will naturally in jaimini be rasi drishti. One also has to take yogas in their true spirits by trying to get the possibilities on scale of probability and also taking into consideration the principles involved, otherwise we shall end up applying them by rote and failing in near correct prediction. Regards, Chandrashekhar - rohinicrystal Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:13 AM Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Yes Sir. Thanks for adding the aspect and navamsha consideration in addition to the other points which were covered by me earlier. Essentially, moon should be totally uninfluenced and without support. I suppose the logic can be taken a notch further and influences due to nakshatra association and perhaps even rashi-drishtis/sambandhas removed. And for further narrowing the negative influences, moon can be in poor in awasthas and shadbala etc. Only with such rigorous incarceration would perhaps kemadruma yoga show its venom. Otherwise, there could be individuals with so called superficial kemadruma yoga going on with their lives doing good work and being useful etc! :-) , " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear RR, > > Of memory serves me right, Parashara says that, simultaneously, there should be no graha in kendra nor Chandra be conjunct any graha. Manasagari goes even further and says that no graha (including Chandra) should be in kendra in Navamsha too, and neither should all grahas aspect Chandra to cause kemadruma when Chandra is bereft of presence of any graha in 2nd or 12th to itself. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > - > rohinicrystal > > Friday, April 09, 2010 10:32 PM > Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga > > > > The 12th and 2nd house from moon does not have a planet, moon is alone in the sign and jupiter is not in 1,4,7,10 from the moon. Classics call it bad, Dolly Parton the famous country-singer had this with moon rising. Her data is in the Astrodienst site if you wish to look it up. > > RR_, > > , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa@> wrote: > > > > > > Namastheji, > >  > > Hope you are doing well. > >  > > Could you please be kind enough to tell me, What is Kemadruma yoga and how the houses are positioned for it. Is their any remedy or prayer to overcome it, if anyone has Kemadruma Yoga. > > Anxiously waiting for your reply. > >  > >  > > Best regards, > >  Hari Kumar > > " Dreams, Vision &  Thoughts lead to action, " > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, sleekhas <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > sleekhas <sleekhas@> > > Re: Career Growth and Personal Life=lee=vivek sharma > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:38 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dear vivek ji > > > > your bhagya planet saturn is sitting in house of mars in retro mode, > > the v good time will start from 2014 onwards, here you will have good house and good job. > > > > please confirm the following > > > > i) r u fond of wearing blue or blace cloths > > ii) do us use blue or blace under garments. > > iii) is you eyebrows are touching each other in middle. > > iv) in any one in your family got some eye problem. > > v) do u use gree colour sun glasses > > vi) r u keeping some megnifying glass in ur house. > > > > regards, > > leekha > > > > , vivek sharma <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies..thx > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> > > > Career Growth and Personal Life > > > > > > Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know about this group from my friend and I really appreciate the way you are helping and guiding people in this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously, I came with few problems > > > > > > > > > > > > Career- I never get rewarded for my hardwork. Also my luck never favors me. I am not getting increment based on my job experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal Life - I have lots of unnecessary tensions in my life. I am in depression because of all these things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if I do some upayas then it effects the health of my mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies. > > > > > > > > > > > > My details are: > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB - 12-01-1980 > > > > > > TOB - 07:53 PM > > > > > > POB - JAMMU > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vivek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Dear Chandrashekar ji, The verse you quoted is not present in the version of Manasagari that I am having. But this is present in Jataka Parijata. More over, it is evident from the verse that the conditions mentioned is not well accepted by others and surely not acceptable to the author. I feel, this verse was included in the text you are having by the commentator. pls note the words " paraiH " -others & " prasidha na te " not famous(acceptable). I am sure you do understand that the word " sheetaamshoH (shitaamshu) " means Moon (another paryaaya of moon) and not the amsa of moon. Just pointing out, lest other readers might mistake. In fact Jataka Parijata provides more variations of Kemadruma Yoga. However, we equate the word " kemadruma " with the most acceptable conditions laid down by majority of acharyas like parashara, varahamihira, kalyanavarma, Vaidhyanaatha, mantreshwara etc. Most of the other conditions are classified under " daridra yogas " . They might give similar results also. However, if you notice Parashara, the speciality of Kemadruma is that, this yoga overrides other yoga(raja yogas). This is for the simple reason as we know, Moon is the executioner of all the effects and even if there are raja yogas, they become ineffective if moon is not strong to handover the effects or well placed. There is huge difference in what Maharshi Jaimini says. " svapitripadaadbhaagyarogayoH paapasaamye kemadrumaH " There should be equal no of malefics in the 2nd house & 8th house, which he calls Kemadruma. Pls note that apart from the fact Maharshi calls it Kemadruma, there is nothing special about this condition. Malefics in the 2nd or 8th (aspecting the 2nd house) - dhana sthana shall destroy ones wealth, which is only a general fundamental principle. But what is noticeable is the mention of equal no of malefics in the 2nd & 8th : ie: if there one malefic in the 2nd, there should only be one malefic in the 8th. This ( " saamye " )condition could also be interpreted as planets of equal status, strength etc and not just in terms of numbers. " chandradriShTao visheSheNa " specifically if Moon also aspects it. Note that if moon should aspect one of them, moon should be along with a malefic either in the 2nd or 8th, again a basic principle. Moon is of vridhikshya trait (waxing & waning) and such a chara griha happens to be associated with dhana bhava, no wonder one should experience vrishikshaya of wealth and even destruction due to association with malefics, in this context. further, " sarveshaaM chaiva paake " - during every ones (planets) period, meaning, the effect is permanent. This again seems to strengthen the argument that the effect is only a general principle laid down by the Maharshi. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar Sat, April 10, 2010 10:53:51 PM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Dear Sureshbabu, I was quoting through memory. Some acharyas do think that navamsha position of chandra is of importance in kemedruma bhanga. Actually after receipt of your mail, I verified Manasagari and it does talk of Navamsha kendra too in kemedrumabhanga. Please check this up. " hitrvarkaM sunaphayuji durdharaascvaantau bhavaasthairgrahaiH shItaaMshaoH kathito nyathaa tu bahubhiH kemadrumotthaiH paraiH, kemdre shItakarethavaa grahayute kemdrumonepi te kecitkendranavaaMsh akesviti vadaMtyuktiprasiddh aa na te... " There is a variation of Kemadruma according to Jaimini too. It has nothing to do with grahas on either side of chandra or surya. According to Jaimini identical number of malefics in 2nd and 8th from Janma lagna or arudha lagna leads to kemadruma. This is more so if there is also aspect of Chandra on either of them. Regards, Chandrashekhar - Suresh Babu.A.G Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:11 AM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Chandrashekar ji, Pardon me for intruding. Parshara says, " chandradyathanaa. antyastho( antyastho) vinaa bhaanuM na chedgrihaH kaschit syaadvaa vinaa chandraM lagnaat kendragato athavaa yogaH kemadrumo naama tatra jaato atogarhitaH " " budhividyaavihiina scha daridraapattisaMyut aH anyayogaphalaM hanti chandrayogo visheShataH svaphalaM pradadaatiiti budho yatnaad vichintayet " Manasagari says " ravirvarjyaM dvaadashagairanabha achandraa dvitiiyagaissunabha a ubhayasthitairdhuru dhururaa kemadrumasaMGYa to anyathaavaachyaa " Its bhanga is given separately thus kumudagahanabandhu viikshamaaNaiH samsthai- rggaganagrihanivaas air diirghajiiviichavaa syaal phalamashubhasamuth aMyaccha kemadrumoktaM sabhavatinaranaatha H sarvabhaumojitaariH . puurNaHshashiyadibh avel shubhasaMsthitovaa saumyaamarejyabhrig u nandanasaMyutascha putraarthasaukhyaja nakaH kathitomuniindraiH kemadrumebhavati maMgaLasuprasiddhi. There is no mention of navamsa in any of the above (parashara or Manasagari). According to Parashara, Kemadruma is formed when A) there are no planets other than Sun on either side of Moon B) or in its kendra (1/4/7/10) C) or not in the lagna Kendra. That is : all the conditions should be satisfied for forming the yoga. While Manasagari splits the above into Yoga & its bhanga. Yoga is formed if there are no planets other than sun on either side of moon. And the bhanga is caused of there are planets in its kendra or if Moon is strong with paksha bala (poorna-Pournami tithy) and is with mercury, venus or Jupiter or if they aspect it. Bhanga is given separately by most acharyas. And I think for a valid reason too. There is no doubt that every planet shall give its effect most during its dasa & anthardasa. So this effect of Kemadruma shall befall during the dasa / anathara / chidra of moon or the planet that takes or responsibility (paraspara karaka). However, there shall be bhanga through the planet that causes it mostly during its periods also. Which means, the native need not experience its throughout his life. The retribution shall depend on several other factors like strength of lagna, 2nd house, 10th house , 9th house and dispositor of moon. One may wander penniless & without honor in a distant land without knowing what to do and a distant relative may find him and ask him to come to his house. The first is yoga and the second is bhanga (saved by this relative). One might loose his job and his father may help him out till he gets another one. This is bhanga caused by the lord of the 9th. In most cases, it is short term issue, so many people do not give much thought to it. Even without this yoga, periods of both moon as well as Sun a bit difficult one, particularly that of moon. Basically, this amounts to the fact that a person is alone without any support. Hence, it depends on his will power and wits to stand alone and see through that period. One may have to struggle a bit to rise above those turbulent periods in life. Famous persons may or may not have this yoga and just because they are rich or famous may not mean that they have not undergone through difficult times. What is important is to understand an upcomming difficult period (either through self study as many does today or through any astrologer) and prepare oneself to brace it well. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Fri, April 9, 2010 11:25:10 PM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Dear RR, Of memory serves me right, Parashara says that, simultaneously, there should be no graha in kendra nor Chandra be conjunct any graha. Manasagari goes even further and says that no graha (including Chandra) should be in kendra in Navamsha too, and neither should all grahas aspect Chandra to cause kemadruma when Chandra is bereft of presence of any graha in 2nd or 12th to itself. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - rohinicrystal Friday, April 09, 2010 10:32 PM Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga The 12th and 2nd house from moon does not have a planet, moon is alone in the sign and jupiter is not in 1,4,7,10 from the moon. Classics call it bad, Dolly Parton the famous country-singer had this with moon rising. Her data is in the Astrodienst site if you wish to look it up. RR_, , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa@ ...> wrote: > > > Namastheji, >  > Hope you are doing well. >  > Could you please be kind enough to tell me, What is Kemadruma yoga and how the houses are positioned for it. Is their any remedy or prayer to overcome it, if anyone has Kemadruma Yoga. > Anxiously waiting for your reply. >  >  > Best regards, >  Hari Kumar > " Dreams, Vision &  Thoughts lead to action, " >  > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, sleekhas <sleekhas@.. .> wrote: > > > sleekhas <sleekhas@.. .> > Re: Career Growth and Personal Life=lee=vivek sharma > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:38 PM > > >  > > > > dear vivek ji > > your bhagya planet saturn is sitting in house of mars in retro mode, > the v good time will start from 2014 onwards, here you will have good house and good job. > > please confirm the following > > i) r u fond of wearing blue or blace cloths > ii) do us use blue or blace under garments. > iii) is you eyebrows are touching each other in middle. > iv) in any one in your family got some eye problem. > v) do u use gree colour sun glasses > vi) r u keeping some megnifying glass in ur house. > > regards, > leekha > > , vivek sharma <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > Please suggest some remedies..thx > > > > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> > > Career Growth and Personal Life > > > > Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I came to know about this group from my friend and I really appreciate the way you are helping and guiding people in this group. > > > > > > > > Obviously, I came with few problems > > > > > > > > Career- I never get rewarded for my hardwork. Also my luck never favors me. I am not getting increment based on my job experience. > > > > > > > > Personal Life - I have lots of unnecessary tensions in my life. I am in depression because of all these things. > > > > > > > > Also if I do some upayas then it effects the health of my mother. > > > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies. > > > > > > > > My details are: > > > > > > > > DOB - 12-01-1980 > > > > TOB - 07:53 PM > > > > POB - JAMMU > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vivek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Dear Chandrashekar ji, This is just a thought. Don't you think it is odd that Maharshi Jaimini mentions kemadruma out of context in a adhyaya mostly dedicated to ones profession, conduct, diseases etc and that too using this word without mentioning the anapha, sunapha & durudura. I feel a lot of material could have been lost here or mixed-up (dhana/daridra conditions are actually mentioned in the next chapter). A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar Sat, April 10, 2010 10:53:51 PM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Dear Sureshbabu, I was quoting through memory. Some acharyas do think that navamsha position of chandra is of importance in kemedruma bhanga. Actually after receipt of your mail, I verified Manasagari and it does talk of Navamsha kendra too in kemedrumabhanga. Please check this up. " hitrvarkaM sunaphayuji durdharaascvaantau bhavaasthairgrahaiH shItaaMshaoH kathito nyathaa tu bahubhiH kemadrumotthaiH paraiH, kemdre shItakarethavaa grahayute kemdrumonepi te kecitkendranavaaMsh akesviti vadaMtyuktiprasiddh aa na te... " There is a variation of Kemadruma according to Jaimini too. It has nothing to do with grahas on either side of chandra or surya. According to Jaimini identical number of malefics in 2nd and 8th from Janma lagna or arudha lagna leads to kemadruma. This is more so if there is also aspect of Chandra on either of them. Regards, Chandrashekhar - Suresh Babu.A.G Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:11 AM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Chandrashekar ji, Pardon me for intruding. Parshara says, " chandradyathanaa. antyastho( antyastho) vinaa bhaanuM na chedgrihaH kaschit syaadvaa vinaa chandraM lagnaat kendragato athavaa yogaH kemadrumo naama tatra jaato atogarhitaH " " budhividyaavihiina scha daridraapattisaMyut aH anyayogaphalaM hanti chandrayogo visheShataH svaphalaM pradadaatiiti budho yatnaad vichintayet " Manasagari says " ravirvarjyaM dvaadashagairanabha achandraa dvitiiyagaissunabha a ubhayasthitairdhuru dhururaa kemadrumasaMGYa to anyathaavaachyaa " Its bhanga is given separately thus kumudagahanabandhu viikshamaaNaiH samsthai- rggaganagrihanivaas air diirghajiiviichavaa syaal phalamashubhasamuth aMyaccha kemadrumoktaM sabhavatinaranaatha H sarvabhaumojitaariH . puurNaHshashiyadibh avel shubhasaMsthitovaa saumyaamarejyabhrig u nandanasaMyutascha putraarthasaukhyaja nakaH kathitomuniindraiH kemadrumebhavati maMgaLasuprasiddhi. There is no mention of navamsa in any of the above (parashara or Manasagari). According to Parashara, Kemadruma is formed when A) there are no planets other than Sun on either side of Moon B) or in its kendra (1/4/7/10) C) or not in the lagna Kendra. That is : all the conditions should be satisfied for forming the yoga. While Manasagari splits the above into Yoga & its bhanga. Yoga is formed if there are no planets other than sun on either side of moon. And the bhanga is caused of there are planets in its kendra or if Moon is strong with paksha bala (poorna-Pournami tithy) and is with mercury, venus or Jupiter or if they aspect it. Bhanga is given separately by most acharyas. And I think for a valid reason too. There is no doubt that every planet shall give its effect most during its dasa & anthardasa. So this effect of Kemadruma shall befall during the dasa / anathara / chidra of moon or the planet that takes or responsibility (paraspara karaka). However, there shall be bhanga through the planet that causes it mostly during its periods also. Which means, the native need not experience its throughout his life. The retribution shall depend on several other factors like strength of lagna, 2nd house, 10th house , 9th house and dispositor of moon. One may wander penniless & without honor in a distant land without knowing what to do and a distant relative may find him and ask him to come to his house. The first is yoga and the second is bhanga (saved by this relative). One might loose his job and his father may help him out till he gets another one. This is bhanga caused by the lord of the 9th. In most cases, it is short term issue, so many people do not give much thought to it. Even without this yoga, periods of both moon as well as Sun a bit difficult one, particularly that of moon. Basically, this amounts to the fact that a person is alone without any support. Hence, it depends on his will power and wits to stand alone and see through that period. One may have to struggle a bit to rise above those turbulent periods in life. Famous persons may or may not have this yoga and just because they are rich or famous may not mean that they have not undergone through difficult times. What is important is to understand an upcomming difficult period (either through self study as many does today or through any astrologer) and prepare oneself to brace it well. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Fri, April 9, 2010 11:25:10 PM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Dear RR, Of memory serves me right, Parashara says that, simultaneously, there should be no graha in kendra nor Chandra be conjunct any graha. Manasagari goes even further and says that no graha (including Chandra) should be in kendra in Navamsha too, and neither should all grahas aspect Chandra to cause kemadruma when Chandra is bereft of presence of any graha in 2nd or 12th to itself. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - rohinicrystal Friday, April 09, 2010 10:32 PM Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga The 12th and 2nd house from moon does not have a planet, moon is alone in the sign and jupiter is not in 1,4,7,10 from the moon. Classics call it bad, Dolly Parton the famous country-singer had this with moon rising. Her data is in the Astrodienst site if you wish to look it up. RR_, , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa@ ...> wrote: > > > Namastheji, >  > Hope you are doing well. >  > Could you please be kind enough to tell me, What is Kemadruma yoga and how the houses are positioned for it. Is their any remedy or prayer to overcome it, if anyone has Kemadruma Yoga. > Anxiously waiting for your reply. >  >  > Best regards, >  Hari Kumar > " Dreams, Vision &  Thoughts lead to action, " >  > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, sleekhas <sleekhas@.. .> wrote: > > > sleekhas <sleekhas@.. .> > Re: Career Growth and Personal Life=lee=vivek sharma > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:38 PM > > >  > > > > dear vivek ji > > your bhagya planet saturn is sitting in house of mars in retro mode, > the v good time will start from 2014 onwards, here you will have good house and good job. > > please confirm the following > > i) r u fond of wearing blue or blace cloths > ii) do us use blue or blace under garments. > iii) is you eyebrows are touching each other in middle. > iv) in any one in your family got some eye problem. > v) do u use gree colour sun glasses > vi) r u keeping some megnifying glass in ur house. > > regards, > leekha > > , vivek sharma <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > Please suggest some remedies..thx > > > > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> > > Career Growth and Personal Life > > > > Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I came to know about this group from my friend and I really appreciate the way you are helping and guiding people in this group. > > > > > > > > Obviously, I came with few problems > > > > > > > > Career- I never get rewarded for my hardwork. Also my luck never favors me. I am not getting increment based on my job experience. > > > > > > > > Personal Life - I have lots of unnecessary tensions in my life. I am in depression because of all these things. > > > > > > > > Also if I do some upayas then it effects the health of my mother. > > > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies. > > > > > > > > My details are: > > > > > > > > DOB - 12-01-1980 > > > > TOB - 07:53 PM > > > > POB - JAMMU > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vivek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Yes Jyotish can be a mine-field. And I don't mean just those jyotishis who think of Jyotish as " mine, mine, MINE! " :-) RR , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekar ji, > > This is just a thought. Don't you think it is odd that Maharshi Jaimini mentions kemadruma out of context in a adhyaya mostly dedicated to ones profession, conduct, diseases etc and that too using this word without mentioning the anapha, sunapha & durudura. > > I feel a lot of material could have been lost here or mixed-up (dhana/daridra conditions are actually mentioned in the next chapter). > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > > Sat, April 10, 2010 10:53:51 PM > Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga > > > Dear Sureshbabu, > > I was quoting through memory. Some acharyas do think that navamsha position of chandra is of importance in kemedruma bhanga. Actually after receipt of your mail, I verified Manasagari and it does talk of Navamsha kendra too in kemedrumabhanga. Please check this up. > > " hitrvarkaM sunaphayuji durdharaascvaantau bhavaasthairgrahaiH > shItaaMshaoH kathito nyathaa tu bahubhiH kemadrumotthaiH paraiH, > kemdre shItakarethavaa grahayute kemdrumonepi te > kecitkendranavaaMsh akesviti vadaMtyuktiprasiddh aa na te... " > > There is a variation of Kemadruma according to Jaimini too. It has nothing to do with grahas on either side of chandra or surya. According to Jaimini identical number of malefics in 2nd and 8th from Janma lagna or arudha lagna leads to kemadruma. This is more so if there is also aspect of Chandra on either of them. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar > > - > Suresh Babu.A.G > > Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:11 AM > Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga > > Chandrashekar ji, > > Pardon me for intruding. > > Parshara says, > > " chandradyathanaa. antyastho( antyastho) vinaa bhaanuM na chedgrihaH > kaschit syaadvaa vinaa chandraM lagnaat kendragato athavaa > yogaH kemadrumo naama tatra jaato atogarhitaH " > > " budhividyaavihiina scha daridraapattisaMyut aH > anyayogaphalaM hanti chandrayogo visheShataH > svaphalaM pradadaatiiti budho yatnaad vichintayet " > > Manasagari says > > " ravirvarjyaM dvaadashagairanabha achandraa dvitiiyagaissunabha a > ubhayasthitairdhuru dhururaa kemadrumasaMGYa to anyathaavaachyaa " > > Its bhanga is given separately thus > > kumudagahanabandhu viikshamaaNaiH samsthai- > rggaganagrihanivaas air diirghajiiviichavaa syaal > phalamashubhasamuth aMyaccha kemadrumoktaM > sabhavatinaranaatha H sarvabhaumojitaariH . > > puurNaHshashiyadibh avel shubhasaMsthitovaa > saumyaamarejyabhrig u nandanasaMyutascha > putraarthasaukhyaja nakaH kathitomuniindraiH > kemadrumebhavati maMgaLasuprasiddhi. > > There is no mention of navamsa in any of the above (parashara or Manasagari). > > According to Parashara, Kemadruma is formed when > A) there are no planets other than Sun on either side of Moon > B) or in its kendra (1/4/7/10) > C) or not in the lagna Kendra. > That is : all the conditions should be satisfied for forming the yoga. > > While Manasagari splits the above into Yoga & its bhanga. > > Yoga is formed if there are no planets other than sun on either side of moon. > > And the bhanga is caused of there are planets in its kendra or if Moon is strong with paksha bala (poorna-Pournami tithy) and is with mercury, venus or Jupiter or if they aspect it. > > Bhanga is given separately by most acharyas. And I think for a valid reason too. There is no doubt that every planet shall give its effect most during its dasa & anthardasa. So this effect of Kemadruma shall befall during the dasa / anathara / chidra of moon or the planet that takes or responsibility (paraspara karaka). However, there shall be bhanga through the planet that causes it mostly during its periods also. Which means, the native need not experience its throughout his life. The retribution shall depend on several other factors like strength of lagna, 2nd house, 10th house , 9th house and dispositor of moon. > > One may wander penniless & without honor in a distant land without knowing what to do and a distant relative may find him and ask him to come to his house. The first is yoga and the second is bhanga (saved by this relative). One might loose his job and his father may help him out till he gets another one. This is bhanga caused by the lord of the 9th. > > In most cases, it is short term issue, so many people do not give much thought to it. Even without this yoga, periods of both moon as well as Sun a bit difficult one, particularly that of moon. > > Basically, this amounts to the fact that a person is alone without any support. Hence, it depends on his will power and wits to stand alone and see through that period. One may have to struggle a bit to rise above those turbulent periods in life. > > Famous persons may or may not have this yoga and just because they are rich or famous may not mean that they have not undergone through difficult times. > > What is important is to understand an upcomming difficult period (either through self study as many does today or through any astrologer) and prepare oneself to brace it well. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > Fri, April 9, 2010 11:25:10 PM > Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga > > Dear RR, > > Of memory serves me right, Parashara says that, simultaneously, there should be no graha in kendra nor Chandra be conjunct any graha. Manasagari goes even further and says that no graha (including Chandra) should be in kendra in Navamsha too, and neither should all grahas aspect Chandra to cause kemadruma when Chandra is bereft of presence of any graha in 2nd or 12th to itself. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > - > rohinicrystal > > Friday, April 09, 2010 10:32 PM > Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga > > The 12th and 2nd house from moon does not have a planet, moon is alone in the sign and jupiter is not in 1,4,7,10 from the moon. Classics call it bad, Dolly Parton the famous country-singer had this with moon rising. Her data is in the Astrodienst site if you wish to look it up. > > RR_, > > , Hari Kumar <hariprabhaa@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Namastheji, > >  > > Hope you are doing well. > >  > > Could you please be kind enough to tell me, What is Kemadruma yoga and how the houses are positioned for it. Is their any remedy or prayer to overcome it, if anyone has Kemadruma Yoga. > > Anxiously waiting for your reply. > >  > >  > > Best regards, > >  Hari Kumar > > " Dreams, Vision &  Thoughts lead to action, " > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, sleekhas <sleekhas@ .> wrote: > > > > > > sleekhas <sleekhas@ .> > > Re: Career Growth and Personal Life=lee=vivek sharma > > > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 5:38 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dear vivek ji > > > > your bhagya planet saturn is sitting in house of mars in retro mode, > > the v good time will start from 2014 onwards, here you will have good house and good job. > > > > please confirm the following > > > > i) r u fond of wearing blue or blace cloths > > ii) do us use blue or blace under garments. > > iii) is you eyebrows are touching each other in middle. > > iv) in any one in your family got some eye problem. > > v) do u use gree colour sun glasses > > vi) r u keeping some megnifying glass in ur house. > > > > regards, > > leekha > > > > , vivek sharma <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies..thx > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > vivek_0217 <vivek_0217@ ...> > > > Career Growth and Personal Life > > > > > > Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know about this group from my friend and I really appreciate the way you are helping and guiding people in this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously, I came with few problems > > > > > > > > > > > > Career- I never get rewarded for my hardwork. Also my luck never favors me. I am not getting increment based on my job experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal Life - I have lots of unnecessary tensions in my life. I am in depression because of all these things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if I do some upayas then it effects the health of my mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please suggest some remedies. > > > > > > > > > > > > My details are: > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB - 12-01-1980 > > > > > > TOB - 07:53 PM > > > > > > POB - JAMMU > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vivek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Dear Shri Suresh ji and Members. In the past too the issue of kemadruma Yoga was discussed and the Parasara's stnad seems to be post appropriate.Understanding as per classical texts and their applicaton in the charts are two different issues. Ofcourse jyotishis when appraoched have their own way of looking at the issues and and counsel to over come their hardships. we have seen that many members first knock at their own gurus or local pundits and when they get gloomed for various reason seek opinion of the forum.The opinions on this thread are very informative and helps in allaying the fears in the mind of the one who initaited the subject. As far as jaimini's version,and their opinion with reference to yogas was never in tune with other classical texts.The importance of Navamsa to verify the presence of yoga or bhanga is only for academic purposes.This is no exception in this context and I feel even in the case of other yogas mainly which make natives tue about presence of malefic yogas in charts. For all of them the best message was made in your mail and that is: //What is important is to understand an up comming difficult period (either through self study as many does today or through any astrologer) and prepare oneself to brace it well.// This is the best way one has to take it including controversial KSY or KMDY.Iam sure if the approach suggested is understood and the native is prepared to good to himslef strength of lagn is more important for him to make up his mind and work all along for his success. Success that comes through hard fight is always sweet.Infact some of these malefic yogas prepare native more determined and work for his win/success in his life. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sat, 4/10/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:36 PM  Dear Chandrashekar ji, This is just a thought. Don't you think it is odd that Maharshi Jaimini mentions kemadruma out of context in a adhyaya mostly dedicated to ones profession, conduct, diseases etc and that too using this word without mentioning the anapha, sunapha & durudura. I feel a lot of material could have been lost here or mixed-up (dhana/daridra conditions are actually mentioned in the next chapter). A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Sat, April 10, 2010 10:53:51 PM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Dear Sureshbabu, I was quoting through memory. Some acharyas do think that navamsha position of chandra is of importance in kemedruma bhanga. Actually after receipt of your mail, I verified Manasagari and it does talk of Navamsha kendra too in kemedrumabhanga. Please check this up. " hitrvarkaM sunaphayuji durdharaascvaantau bhavaasthairgrahaiH shItaaMshaoH kathito nyathaa tu bahubhiH kemadrumotthaiH paraiH, kemdre shItakarethavaa grahayute kemdrumonepi te kecitkendranavaaMsh akesviti vadaMtyuktiprasiddh aa na te... " There is a variation of Kemadruma according to Jaimini too. It has nothing to do with grahas on either side of chandra or surya. According to Jaimini identical number of malefics in 2nd and 8th from Janma lagna or arudha lagna leads to kemadruma. This is more so if there is also aspect of Chandra on either of them. Regards, Chandrashekhar - Suresh Babu.A.G Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:11 AM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Chandrashekar ji, Pardon me for intruding. Parshara says, " chandradyathanaa. antyastho( antyastho) vinaa bhaanuM na chedgrihaH kaschit syaadvaa vinaa chandraM lagnaat kendragato athavaa yogaH kemadrumo naama tatra jaato atogarhitaH " " budhividyaavihiina scha daridraapattisaMyut aH anyayogaphalaM hanti chandrayogo visheShataH svaphalaM pradadaatiiti budho yatnaad vichintayet " Manasagari says " ravirvarjyaM dvaadashagairanabha achandraa dvitiiyagaissunabha a ubhayasthitairdhuru dhururaa kemadrumasaMGYa to anyathaavaachyaa " Its bhanga is given separately thus kumudagahanabandhu viikshamaaNaiH samsthai- rggaganagrihanivaas air diirghajiiviichavaa syaal phalamashubhasamuth aMyaccha kemadrumoktaM sabhavatinaranaatha H sarvabhaumojitaariH . puurNaHshashiyadibh avel shubhasaMsthitovaa saumyaamarejyabhrig u nandanasaMyutascha putraarthasaukhyaja nakaH kathitomuniindraiH kemadrumebhavati maMgaLasuprasiddhi. There is no mention of navamsa in any of the above (parashara or Manasagari). According to Parashara, Kemadruma is formed when A) there are no planets other than Sun on either side of Moon B) or in its kendra (1/4/7/10) C) or not in the lagna Kendra. That is : all the conditions should be satisfied for forming the yoga. While Manasagari splits the above into Yoga & its bhanga. Yoga is formed if there are no planets other than sun on either side of moon. And the bhanga is caused of there are planets in its kendra or if Moon is strong with paksha bala (poorna-Pournami tithy) and is with mercury, venus or Jupiter or if they aspect it. Bhanga is given separately by most acharyas. And I think for a valid reason too. There is no doubt that every planet shall give its effect most during its dasa & anthardasa. So this effect of Kemadruma shall befall during the dasa / anathara / chidra of moon or the planet that takes or responsibility (paraspara karaka). However, there shall be bhanga through the planet that causes it mostly during its periods also. Which means, the native need not experience its throughout his life. The retribution shall depend on several other factors like strength of lagna, 2nd house, 10th house , 9th house and dispositor of moon. One may wander penniless & without honor in a distant land without knowing what to do and a distant relative may find him and ask him to come to his house. The first is yoga and the second is bhanga (saved by this relative). One might loose his job and his father may help him out till he gets another one. This is bhanga caused by the lord of the 9th. In most cases, it is short term issue, so many people do not give much thought to it. Even without this yoga, periods of both moon as well as Sun a bit difficult one, particularly that of moon. Basically, this amounts to the fact that a person is alone without any support. Hence, it depends on his will power and wits to stand alone and see through that period. One may have to struggle a bit to rise above those turbulent periods in life. Famous persons may or may not have this yoga and just because they are rich or famous may not mean that they have not undergone through difficult times. What is important is to understand an upcomming difficult period (either through self study as many does today or through any astrologer) and prepare oneself to brace it well. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek h ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Fri, April 9, 2010 11:25:10 PM Re: Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga Dear RR, Of memory serves me right, Parashara says that, simultaneously, there should be no graha in kendra nor Chandra be conjunct any graha. Manasagari goes even further and says that no graha (including Chandra) should be in kendra in Navamsha too, and neither should all grahas aspect Chandra to cause kemadruma when Chandra is bereft of presence of any graha in 2nd or 12th to itself. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - rohinicrystal Friday, April 09, 2010 10:32 PM Re: Namasthe - Kemadruma Yoga The 12th and 2nd house from moon does not have a planet, moon is alone in the sign and jupiter is not in 1,4,7,10 from the moon. Classics call it bad, Dolly Parton the famous country-singer had this with moon rising. Her data is in the Astrodienst site if you wish to look it up. 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