Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

[Guest guest]

<<<

As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

preservation of this world which is already suffering.....

>>>

 

It is not what I said. My words were " the world will cease to function

properly if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. "

 

Any revolutionary change in fundamental beliefs results in temporary

upheavals and obstacles in proper functioning. This is what I meant.

 

Besides, I have no power to remove materialism from the minds of those

who believe physical planets are deities and therefore any alternative

software must not be tested. Men cannot be changed unless they are ready

to change themselves. Persons with strong Saturn are more difficult to

change, perhaps due to slow motion of Saturn. But if Saturn is exalted,

it results in positive change in the long run, after initial pitfalls.

 

You are wrongly thanking me for preservation of this world. I decided in

1971 not to become a baby-boomer, while you have added this adjective to

your name in this message ( " Rohiniranjan Baby-boomer " ). After a century

ot two, no one will remember me, but you will be remembered, at least by

your babies & c. It is for the benefit of babies of persons like you that

I worked so hard. If my work is wasted and destroyed and forgotten, it

will not harm me in any respect.

 

The only difference you have with me is due to the fact that I found,

much later in my life, that physical astronomy gives worse astrological

results than Suryasiddhanta. Before this finding, I had equal or

perhaps more faith in the astrological validity of physical planetary

motions. Had I retained my earlier opinion, you would have found no

difference.

 

You sincerely used words like " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for

me. But such traits are results of expectations. I had no expectation.

Hence, there was no question of disappointment. The whole world is

taught physical astronomy, formally as well as informally. Even many of

those who have to study Suryasiddhanta do not comprehend it properly.

Hence, a software based on a misunderstood text could not become

popular. Moreover, I am using outdated Visual Basic version which is not

allowing many users to install Kundalee on their machines. You also know

these issues well. Then, why you guessed I am " disappointed " ? I knew

the outcome beforehand, and that is why I refrained from launching

Kundalee on web for years ; Kundalee is still not fit for web (it

contains outdated DLL files).

 

You have question thrice why I am treated so. Here is the answer :

 

Presently, the planets of MD, AD and PD in my horoscope have bitter

enmical aspects on 10th house. In my birthchart too, I have lord of 11th

Sun sitting in 4th (house of Suhrid), which makes my " friends " often

unfriendly towards me. Hence, I must not get recognition or honour for

my work. Due to my way of life, bonds of horoscope are not hard on me,

and I get recognition wherever I go. But I try to keep away from honours

& c because I know if I stick to this World I will have to pay a heavy

price by being engulfed by it in the form of next birth/births.

 

I have no grudge against you. I can even tolerate abuses from those who

have contributed something worthwhile to others. I do not mean you have

ever abused anyone, including me, I only mean that you have really

contributed something good to society at large, and that is your real

worth to me. It does not matter to me what is your opinion about me or

about my work. Not even 1% on my work is on internet, hence you do not

know my work. Bulk of my written works are not in astrology but in

comparative linguistics of Indo-European languages (mainly concerning

the dating of Rgveda through linguistic means), which I never published

in book form but gave parts of it in lectures and some articles and

emails only.

 

Sincerely,

 

-VJ

==================== ==

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I was

basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you were

writing publicle and privately through internet.

>

> Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I

wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your

many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your

academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite

a few times., etc.

>

> As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably as we

move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012),

we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh of

relief gained, I suppose.

>

> Rohiniranjan

> Baby-boomer

>

>

>

> , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan Ji,

> >

> > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

> > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

> > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

> > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

> >

> > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

myself

> > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with

my

> > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

> > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

panchangas. I

> > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

> > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

sign of

> > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

recognized.

> > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

awarded

> > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for

Fame

> > is poison to me.

> >

> > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long

years,

> > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

astrologers.

> > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

minority

> > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

result

> > of long years of tests.

> >

> > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

properly

> > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

> > properly.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ================= ===

> > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay_jee,

> > >

> > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

voiced

> > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general)

do

> > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

to

> > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

> > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the

sense

> > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

> > internet might have made similar observations too.

> > >

> > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards

one

> > person (you!).

> > >

> > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

other

> > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

> > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am

not

> > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was

just

> > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you

have

> > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

> > >

> > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing...!

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > working

> > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

method of

> > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

answered.

> > > >

> > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > " Please

> > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > dasa

> > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it,

I

> > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

elucidation

> > of

> > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

the

> > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > article

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > verses

> > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

rightly

> > felt

> > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

pick

> > up

> > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > >

> > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

KCD.

> > PVR

> > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > which I

> > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

out

> > the

> > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > notice,

> > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

in

> > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ================ ===

> > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

not

> > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > BPHS

> > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > > kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > sure

> > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > > >

> > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > -

> > > > > VJha

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To RCS :

> > > > >

> > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> > those

> > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

you

> > move

> > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

AD

> > has

> > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

deduce

> > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > > Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

which is

> > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha

and

> > Jeeva

> > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

alone. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence

of

> > AD in

> > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

right

> > of

> > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

containing

> > 37

> > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > These

> > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

KCD, we

> > may

> > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

of

> > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

read

> > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > swami.rcs@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

next

> > > > Sequence

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

> > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has

56

> > Stanza

> > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working

of

> > AD is

> > > > very important.

> > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > RCS

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To All :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sir,

The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate Kalachakra dasa

needs to be complemented.AS most of us show eagerness to apply mostly the Chara

Dasa or  Vimshottari though KCD application seems to work better in some

cases(b4 and after war times) found to be  more precise.Few people actually

make effort to apply KCD and in this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was made after

thorough study of classsiclas,though it is mainly oriented towards surya

siddhantic principles.Unfortunately my efforts to load and use on window Vista

never gave me the personal satisfaction to understand the efficacy of

software.Some of our JT members,however endorsed compliments.

The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be be taken

with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to take with

grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop astrology in the present

times shall definetely help those worried about apocalypse relating to 21st Dec.

and remove all doubts that the order of the Nature is very much stable and

nothing to apprehend catastophy. The recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and

impending tectonic movements it is evident the world is under

transformation.(but disintegration?)This feeling emerges more when people's hard

earned money does not also seems to be secure.

Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed by Saturn in Virgo,with exalted

venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly getting brow beaten.and the

soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble though he is out from

debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's Stabhisha.

The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope that can come

through with the efforts being made by our members and encouraging members from

time to time.The benifit out of these crtical discussions Iam sure members will

take them in right earnes and laud all those with penchant to do write some

thing different from routine and explore all the past base and make the

knowledge reachable to common man.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:14 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I was basing

my statements on what I had been observing based on what you were writing

publicle and privately through internet.

 

 

 

Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I wrote,

therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your many wonderful,

and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your academic achievements,

panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite a few times., etc.

 

 

 

As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world -- we

all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of this world

which is already suffering and probably as we move towards the date which many

are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012) , we will be facing increasing challenges

and warnings against the well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry

less is one sigh of relief gained, I suppose.

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

Baby-boomer

 

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan Ji,

 

>

 

> Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

 

> consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

 

> people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

 

> software, do not listen to the truth " ).

 

>

 

> You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making myself

 

> known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with my

 

> consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

 

> editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my panchangas. I

 

> have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

 

> consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a sign of

 

> " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get recognized.

 

> Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition awarded

 

> to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for Fame

 

> is poison to me.

 

>

 

> I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long years,

 

> because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet astrologers.

 

> But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded minority

 

> from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the result

 

> of long years of tests.

 

>

 

> You know many things but one : the world will cease to function properly

 

> if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

 

> properly.

 

>

 

> -VJ

 

> ============ ===== ===

 

> , " rohinicrystal "

 

> <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Vinay_jee,

 

> >

 

> > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently voiced

 

> your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general) do

 

> not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen to

 

> the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

 

> understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the sense

 

> I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

 

> internet might have made similar observations too.

 

> >

 

> > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards one

 

> person (you!).

 

> >

 

> > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In other

 

> words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

 

> between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am not

 

> telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was just

 

> wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you have

 

> never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

 

> >

 

> > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .!

 

> >

 

> > Best regards,

 

> >

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

 

> > >

 

> > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

 

> working

 

> > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

 

> > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

 

> > >

 

> > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

 

> " Please

 

> > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

 

> dasa

 

> > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

 

> > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

 

> of

 

> > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

 

> > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

 

> article

 

> > > properly.

 

> > >

 

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

 

> " antardashaa " .

 

> > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

 

> verses

 

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

 

> felt

 

> > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

 

> up

 

> > > this point, but you helped him out.

 

> > >

 

> > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD.

 

> PVR

 

> > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

 

> which I

 

> > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

 

> the

 

> > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

 

> notice,

 

> > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

 

> > > Kundalee Software.

 

> > >

 

> > > -VJ

 

> > > ============ ==== ===

 

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

 

> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Dear Vinay,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

 

> > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

 

> BPHS

 

> > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

 

> > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

 

> sure

 

> > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > So RC ji is right.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Regards,

 

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

 

> > > > -

 

> > > > VJha

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

 

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > To RCS :

 

> > > >

 

> > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

 

> those

 

> > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you

 

> move

 

> > > to next Sequence " .

 

> > > >

 

> > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

 

> has

 

> > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

 

> > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

 

> > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

 

> > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

 

> > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

 

> Jeeva

 

> > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

 

> AD in

 

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right

 

> of

 

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

 

> 37

 

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

 

> These

 

> > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we

 

> may

 

> > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

 

> > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

 

> > > properly.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > -VJ

 

> > > > ============ ========= ===

 

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > , " R C Srivastava "

 

> swami.rcs@

 

> > > wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Dear VJ,

 

> > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

 

> > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

 

> > > Sequence

 

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

 

> > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

 

> Stanza

 

> > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

 

> AD is

 

> > > very important.

 

> > > > > With regards.

 

> > > > > RCS

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

> > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

 

> > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > To All :

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > -VJ

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much Vinay_jee for opening your heart on this forum where I know

you are indeed respected and where the moderator has publicly assured you

several times that you will always be listened too, and from my lowly ant's

perspective you have been! I use the metaphor of 'ant' from time to time, not to

portray veiled arrogance or sham-humility but to me, ants represent the

'grihasta' and worldly reality of the very same DIVINITY that also produces

monks and sadhus and sages and awatars! The same MA and BABA who create all this

magic and whose BABIES we all are: Grihasta and Brahmachari!

 

It is for the BABIES of those CELESTIAL PARENTS that we all must work towards &

that includes the grihasta and the brahmachari and the rest of the fauna and

flora! I KNOW that the YUGAS will bring pralayas and we all shall return to

where we started and ACTUALLY never left!

 

That is what to me personally has always meant SATURN's message and SATURN'S

BLESSINGS! STAMBHAN (of any planet) perhaps in transit or even in natal

represents SATURN, while atichara represents some other astrological-factor...!

 

Saturn is that KHOONTI (hindi Khoonti and not bangla khoonti!) to which the goat

(astrological reality starting with aries/mesha) is tied to with the illusive

rope of free-will, as Thakur Paramahansa's allegory reminds us.

 

I have always wondered as to why RamKrishna used the goat as the animal in the

metaphor! Goats are known to have an innate GIFT for chewing incessantly! What

if they decide to chew on the rope that tie them fatalistically to SATURN?

Emancipation can come to GOATS too, can it not?

 

I hope the GOATs are listening? I mean CHEWING!!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> <<<

> As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

> world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

> preservation of this world which is already suffering.....

> >>>

>

> It is not what I said. My words were " the world will cease to function

> properly if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. "

>

> Any revolutionary change in fundamental beliefs results in temporary

> upheavals and obstacles in proper functioning. This is what I meant.

>

> Besides, I have no power to remove materialism from the minds of those

> who believe physical planets are deities and therefore any alternative

> software must not be tested. Men cannot be changed unless they are ready

> to change themselves. Persons with strong Saturn are more difficult to

> change, perhaps due to slow motion of Saturn. But if Saturn is exalted,

> it results in positive change in the long run, after initial pitfalls.

>

> You are wrongly thanking me for preservation of this world. I decided in

> 1971 not to become a baby-boomer, while you have added this adjective to

> your name in this message ( " Rohiniranjan Baby-boomer " ). After a century

> ot two, no one will remember me, but you will be remembered, at least by

> your babies & c. It is for the benefit of babies of persons like you that

> I worked so hard. If my work is wasted and destroyed and forgotten, it

> will not harm me in any respect.

>

> The only difference you have with me is due to the fact that I found,

> much later in my life, that physical astronomy gives worse astrological

> results than Suryasiddhanta. Before this finding, I had equal or

> perhaps more faith in the astrological validity of physical planetary

> motions. Had I retained my earlier opinion, you would have found no

> difference.

>

> You sincerely used words like " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for

> me. But such traits are results of expectations. I had no expectation.

> Hence, there was no question of disappointment. The whole world is

> taught physical astronomy, formally as well as informally. Even many of

> those who have to study Suryasiddhanta do not comprehend it properly.

> Hence, a software based on a misunderstood text could not become

> popular. Moreover, I am using outdated Visual Basic version which is not

> allowing many users to install Kundalee on their machines. You also know

> these issues well. Then, why you guessed I am " disappointed " ? I knew

> the outcome beforehand, and that is why I refrained from launching

> Kundalee on web for years ; Kundalee is still not fit for web (it

> contains outdated DLL files).

>

> You have question thrice why I am treated so. Here is the answer :

>

> Presently, the planets of MD, AD and PD in my horoscope have bitter

> enmical aspects on 10th house. In my birthchart too, I have lord of 11th

> Sun sitting in 4th (house of Suhrid), which makes my " friends " often

> unfriendly towards me. Hence, I must not get recognition or honour for

> my work. Due to my way of life, bonds of horoscope are not hard on me,

> and I get recognition wherever I go. But I try to keep away from honours

> & c because I know if I stick to this World I will have to pay a heavy

> price by being engulfed by it in the form of next birth/births.

>

> I have no grudge against you. I can even tolerate abuses from those who

> have contributed something worthwhile to others. I do not mean you have

> ever abused anyone, including me, I only mean that you have really

> contributed something good to society at large, and that is your real

> worth to me. It does not matter to me what is your opinion about me or

> about my work. Not even 1% on my work is on internet, hence you do not

> know my work. Bulk of my written works are not in astrology but in

> comparative linguistics of Indo-European languages (mainly concerning

> the dating of Rgveda through linguistic means), which I never published

> in book form but gave parts of it in lectures and some articles and

> emails only.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> -VJ

> ==================== ==

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I was

> basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you were

> writing publicle and privately through internet.

> >

> > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I

> wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your

> many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your

> academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite

> a few times., etc.

> >

> > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

> world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

> preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably as we

> move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012),

> we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

> well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh of

> relief gained, I suppose.

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > Baby-boomer

> >

> >

> >

> > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan Ji,

> > >

> > > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

> > > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

> > > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

> > > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

> > >

> > > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

> myself

> > > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with

> my

> > > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

> > > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

> panchangas. I

> > > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

> > > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

> sign of

> > > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

> recognized.

> > > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

> awarded

> > > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for

> Fame

> > > is poison to me.

> > >

> > > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long

> years,

> > > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

> astrologers.

> > > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

> minority

> > > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

> result

> > > of long years of tests.

> > >

> > > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

> properly

> > > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ================= ===

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay_jee,

> > > >

> > > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

> voiced

> > > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general)

> do

> > > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

> to

> > > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

> > > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the

> sense

> > > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

> > > internet might have made similar observations too.

> > > >

> > > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards

> one

> > > person (you!).

> > > >

> > > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

> other

> > > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

> > > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am

> not

> > > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was

> just

> > > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you

> have

> > > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

> > > >

> > > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing...!

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > > working

> > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

> method of

> > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

> answered.

> > > > >

> > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > > " Please

> > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > > dasa

> > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it,

> I

> > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> elucidation

> > > of

> > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

> the

> > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > > article

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > > verses

> > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

> rightly

> > > felt

> > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

> pick

> > > up

> > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> KCD.

> > > PVR

> > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > > which I

> > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

> out

> > > the

> > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > > notice,

> > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

> in

> > > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ================ ===

> > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

> not

> > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > > BPHS

> > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > > > kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > > sure

> > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > VJha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

> Sub-periods

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To RCS :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> > > those

> > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> you

> > > move

> > > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

> AD

> > > has

> > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

> deduce

> > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > > > Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

> which is

> > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha

> and

> > > Jeeva

> > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> alone. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence

> of

> > > AD in

> > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> right

> > > of

> > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

> containing

> > > 37

> > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > > These

> > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

> KCD, we

> > > may

> > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> of

> > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> read

> > > > > properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

> Pada.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > > swami.rcs@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

> next

> > > > > Sequence

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

> Pada.

> > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has

> 56

> > > Stanza

> > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working

> of

> > > AD is

> > > > > very important.

> > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > RCS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

 

You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I wrote

:

 

<<<

BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses

written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt

that the topic was on AD.

>>>

 

I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word " rightly "

and tried to distort my statement.

 

Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of " editor " .

Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

" Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya " . Why you assume all editors are

unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

" Kaalachakra-dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled as

AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and PrD.

In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced

according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

must be lower periods. In the chapter " Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya "

which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

" Kaalachakra-antardashaa-phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all twelve

raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I take it

for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs for

raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been so,

the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

beginning of this chapter.

 

My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used when

you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not one's

aim.

 

Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread, I

had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private email

ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given under

the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I copied

parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start any

discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part of

my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada of

Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported. BPHS

gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi-2 was missing in

BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should be

reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery. Since

the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi-2 (10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3), I gave an

example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there will be

twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage to

clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary of

all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the basic

scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was to

prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi-2 :

10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath and

against Sri Jyoti Star.

 

-VJ

================= ====

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay,

>

> I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on

lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read

out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are

mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you specifically

said that BPHS does not have them.

>

> You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of

antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the verse

at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- "

is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

>

> Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what

he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought to

be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme.

But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of KCD'S

Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6.

>

> Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced

likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have

Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka :

4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

>

> May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha

order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

4,5,3,2,1,12,11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it follows

the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner Parashara

told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> Mr Chandrashekhar,

>

> Without reading my article in which I described the method of

working

> out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

> making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

>

> RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

" Please

> educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

dasa

> once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

of

> those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

article

> properly.

>

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

" antardashaa " .

> The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

verses

> written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

felt

> that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

up

> this point, but you helped him out.

>

> Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD.

PVR

> Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

which I

> provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

the

> original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

notice,

> including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> Kundalee Software.

>

> -VJ

> ================ ===

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay,

> >

> > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

BPHS

> has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> >

> > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

sure

> you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> >

> > So RC ji is right.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > To RCS :

> >

> > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those

> very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you

move

> to next Sequence " .

> >

> > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

has

> already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

> seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> >

> > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

Jeeva

> and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

> >

> > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD

in

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right

of

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

37

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

These

> results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we

may

> assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

> computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

> properly.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ===================== ===

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> >

> > , " R C Srivastava "

swami.rcs@

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear VJ,

> > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> Sequence

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

Stanza

> > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD

is

> very important.

> > > With regards.

> > > RCS

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > >

> > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have explained the main problem of KCD in

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

 

-VJ

================= ==

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> 1Since nakshtra r basically savya(15) and apasavya(12) based and also on DEHA

and Jeeva accordingly some ambiguity is KCD is there.Further nakshtra pada also

decides commencement of Dasa .For ex bharani 4th,the order is as mentioned by

Shri Chandrsekhar Ji.where as antar dasa also floows same order working out

paramyu as 86yrs.

> 2.Parasara certainly has also taken dasa visleshan based Kalchakradasa.But

some how the working out of dasa of KCD has three methods as explained by BVR in

his book.

> It appears,some problem in interpretation lead to differences.Like wise

application of KCD for anlysis also there were different views.Some opine if

venus is strong in natal chart or based on Moon if strong etc.

> In KCD dasaa basically proceed by three distinct steps.1.Mandooka2.Markata and

3.Simhavalokana,keeping basically svaya and apasavya clasification of Nakshtras.

> 3.//4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka?//As per KCD

scheme this is Correct.

> 4. //But then I see you have given something called...//There seems to be

typographical mistake.

>

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Sat, 3/6/10, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:10 PM

>

 

>

>

>

Dear Vinay,

>

>

>

> I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on lists.

Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read out what you

wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are mentioned in BPHS

and gave you the page number since you specifically said that BPHS does not have

them.

>

>

>

> You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of antardasha

by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any verses that can lead

the editors to it. You may like to read the verse at page 380 of the same

edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- " is written and the mention of

antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

>

>

>

> Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what he is

saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought to be brought in

about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme. But then I see you

have given something called

>

>

>

> Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced likewise

according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have Karka AD as the

first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka : 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

>

>

>

> May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha order

begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and

9, that is it begins with Karka? If it follows the order given by you , how does

it fit in with the manner Parashara told to look at the Antardasha in

Vimshottari scheme?

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

> -

>

> VJha

>

>

>

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

>

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> Mr Chandrashekhar,

>

>

>

> Without reading my article in which I described the method of working

>

> out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

>

> making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

>

>

>

> RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

>

> educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa

>

> once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

>

> replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

>

> those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

>

> point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article

>

> properly.

>

>

>

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

>

> The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses

>

> written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt

>

> that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up

>

> this point, but you helped him out.

>

>

>

> Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

>

> Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I

>

> provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the

>

> original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice,

>

> including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

>

> Kundalee Software.

>

>

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ==== ===

>

> , " Chandrashekhar "

>

> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Vinay,

>

> >

>

> > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

>

> mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS

>

> has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

>

> >

>

> > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

>

> kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure

>

> you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

>

> >

>

> > So RC ji is right.

>

> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> > Chandrashekhar.

>

> > -

>

> > VJha

>

> >

>

> > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

>

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To RCS :

>

> >

>

> > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those

>

> very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move

>

> to next Sequence " .

>

> >

>

> > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has

>

> already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

>

> Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

>

> comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

>

> Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

>

> seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

>

> >

>

> > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva

>

> and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

>

> >

>

> > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

>

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

>

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

>

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

>

> results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may

>

> assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

>

> computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

>

> properly.

>

> >

>

> > -VJ

>

> > ============ ========= ===

>

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

>

> >

>

> > , " R C Srivastava " swami.rcs@

>

> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear VJ,

>

> > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

>

> > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

>

> Sequence

>

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

>

> > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

>

> > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is

>

> very important.

>

> > > With regards.

>

> > > RCS

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

>

> > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

>

> > >

>

> > > To All :

>

> > >

>

> > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

>

> > >

>

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

>

> > >

>

> > > -VJ

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

sir,

As all of us Surya Siddhanta has a unque system oc classificcation.like India

Meru .........Dakshna dhk bhage..........etc.For mundane purpose this is

followed by some jyotishis.

2.Basically in Munadane Astrology,others more or less of the Parasara the

location /situation of regions ,countries was thought to be based on drik

pakshiya drishti.(Disa./direction).

This resulted in cluster and was lacking clarity to find the correctness of

astrological progress vis a vis their destiny/fate/.So this too has become

debatable.

3..Also people hold the view the independence/liberation day chart too are not

meaningful.

The analysis for mundane purpose as of now based on conventional model has been

revised.Now based the disatnce from equator,and georphical data,a chkra has been

drwan and it's traditional as well as scientific importance is yet to be

estblishes

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

Sunday, March 7, 2010, 2:47 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnan dada,

 

 

 

Please tell us more about the *drikdrishti* theory you mentioned about towards

the end of your message (quoted below).

 

 

 

Very early on in my pursuance of astrology, SAMBANDHA in the horoscope became a

crucial point of attention for me and that is where SYNTHESIS became such an

important point-of-focus. Drishti (when eyes meet) is very synthetic, of course.

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Sir,

 

> It is only micro organisms that will have a longer life over arthropods or

milli/centipeds. The fast changing climate and emissions make humans with

shileds looking like scietific Avatasrs.

 

> Insects,I mean UFO's ruling of course a scientific version.Like Man with a

Calti Ka Naam gadi is also Chatushpada. The over take or scientific explosion

put man behind .so the waning of the homosapiens is the question of time,say

distant end of Kaliyuga.

 

> Having to be a japanee or Iraquee in the next birth will be a major wish,as in

India it is develop..... . " ing "

 

> other nations like Korea(except congo) including Iraq,japan and the lattest

Afganisthan are having less of history and Nations in making will no doubt

emerge further will have a major say in Global matters.

 

> China and Congo may still be there what the histories of these countries

convey.Of course not even century hold has hopes but yet in baking stage.The

cake before it is made is target for many to cut and celebrate.yet the land of

Ganga,Jamna may boast of very 5th and 9th house.But drikdrishti theory may

further fail these hopes.

 

> Exception seems to be the Vikruti Nanam samvatsaram where orderliness is

predicted for this nation to progress and bring reforms.Not Certainly women's

Reservation Bill nor the debated Nuclear bill of the past.

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

>

 

> Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:56 AM

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a

chord!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan and

their political situations and economies etc...) that are going to progress or

will the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may be born in Japan or

Iraq, in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps insects shall rule the universe,

yet again!!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime -- several

perhaps because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> What do you think?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Krishnan Ji,

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote

 

>

 

> > place and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking

 

>

 

> > too much time.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love

 

>

 

> > since I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago

 

>

 

> > when I got irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

 

>

 

> > Suryasiddhanta.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

 

>

 

> > khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the

 

>

 

> > worst is over and we are heading towards better days. World population

 

>

 

> > will decrease henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

 

>

 

> > Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi

 

>

 

> > of Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east

 

>

 

> > Europe (Rome, Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi.

 

>

 

> > This Drikpakshiya theory has not fully survived.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > -VJ

 

>

 

> > ============ === ===

 

>

 

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

>

 

> > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Sir,

 

>

 

> > > The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate

 

>

 

> > Kalachakra dasa needs to be complemented. AS most of us show eagerness to

 

>

 

> > apply mostly the Chara Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD application

 

>

 

> > seems to work better in some cases(b4 and after war times) found to

 

>

 

> > be more precise.Few people actually make effort to apply KCD and in

 

>

 

> > this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

 

>

 

> > > His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was

 

>

 

> > made after thorough study of classsiclas, though it is mainly oriented

 

>

 

> > towards surya siddhantic principles.Unfortun ately my efforts to load and

 

>

 

> > use on window Vista never gave me the personal satisfaction to

 

>

 

> > understand the efficacy of software.Some of our JT members,however

 

>

 

> > endorsed compliments.

 

>

 

> > > The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be

 

>

 

> > be taken with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to

 

>

 

> > take with grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop

 

>

 

> > astrology in the present times shall definetely help those worried about

 

>

 

> > apocalypse relating to 21st Dec. and remove all doubts that the order of

 

>

 

> > the Nature is very much stable and nothing to apprehend catastophy. The

 

>

 

> > recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and impending tectonic movements

 

>

 

> > it is evident the world is under transformation. (but

 

>

 

> > disintegration? )This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned

 

>

 

> > money does not also seems to be secure.

 

>

 

> > > Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed by Saturn in Virgo,with

 

>

 

> > exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly getting brow

 

>

 

> > beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble though he

 

>

 

> > is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's

 

>

 

> > Stabhisha.

 

>

 

> > > The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

 

>

 

> > that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and

 

>

 

> > encouraging members from time to time.The benifit out of these crtical

 

>

 

> > discussions Iam sure members will take them in right earnes and laud all

 

>

 

> > those with penchant to do write some thing different from routine and

 

>

 

> > explore all the past base and make the knowledge reachable to common

 

>

 

> > man.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

 

>

 

> > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

 

>

 

> > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > --- On Sat, 3/6/10, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

 

>

 

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:14 PM

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Â

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I

 

>

 

> > was basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you

 

>

 

> > were writing publicle and privately through internet.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I

 

>

 

> > wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your

 

>

 

> > many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your

 

>

 

> > academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite

 

>

 

> > a few times., etc.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

 

>

 

> > world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

 

>

 

> > preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably as we

 

>

 

> > move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012)

 

>

 

> > , we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

 

>

 

> > well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh of

 

>

 

> > relief gained, I suppose.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Baby-boomer

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

 

>

 

> > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > Rohiniranjan Ji,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

 

>

 

> > myself

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with

 

>

 

> > my

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

 

>

 

> > panchangas. I

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

 

>

 

> > sign of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

 

>

 

> > recognized.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

 

>

 

> > awarded

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for

 

>

 

> > Fame

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > is poison to me.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long

 

>

 

> > years,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

 

>

 

> > astrologers.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

 

>

 

> > minority

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

 

>

 

> > result

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > of long years of tests.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

 

>

 

> > properly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > properly.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > -VJ

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > ============ ===== ===

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Dear Vinay_jee,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

 

>

 

> > voiced

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general)

 

>

 

> > do

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

 

>

 

> > to

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the

 

>

 

> > sense

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > internet might have made similar observations too.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards

 

>

 

> > one

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > person (you!).

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

 

>

 

> > other

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am

 

>

 

> > not

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was

 

>

 

> > just

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you

 

>

 

> > have

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .!

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Best regards,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

 

>

 

> > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > working

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

 

>

 

> > method of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

 

>

 

> > answered.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > " Please

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > dasa

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it,

 

>

 

> > I

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

 

>

 

> > elucidation

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

 

>

 

> > the

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > article

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > properly.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > " antardashaa " .

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

 

>

 

> > of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > verses

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

 

>

 

> > rightly

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > felt

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

 

>

 

> > pick

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > up

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

 

>

 

> > KCD.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > PVR

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > which I

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

 

>

 

> > out

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > the

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > notice,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

 

>

 

> > in

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Kundalee Software.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > -VJ

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > ============ ==== ===

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Dear Vinay,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

 

>

 

> > not

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > BPHS

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I

 

>

 

> > am

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > sure

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > So RC ji is right.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Regards,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > -

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > VJha

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

 

>

 

> > Sub-periods

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > To RCS :

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > those

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

 

>

 

> > you

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > move

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > to next Sequence " .

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

 

>

 

> > AD

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > has

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

 

>

 

> > deduce

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

 

>

 

> > which is

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha

 

>

 

> > and

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > Jeeva

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

 

>

 

> > alone. "

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence

 

>

 

> > of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > AD in

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

 

>

 

> > right

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

 

>

 

> > containing

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > 37

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > These

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

 

>

 

> > KCD, we

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > may

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

 

>

 

> > of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

 

>

 

> > read

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > properly.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > -VJ

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

 

>

 

> > Pada.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > swami.rcs@

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > Dear VJ,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

 

>

 

> > next

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > Sequence

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

 

>

 

> > Pada.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has

 

>

 

> > 56

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > Stanza

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working

 

>

 

> > of

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > AD is

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > very important.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > With regards.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > RCS

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > To All :

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > > -VJ

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

> // Many SW has KCD scheme implemented, I am not sure None appears to have same

calculations.

> Please understand I do not enter into controversies. Look what K.N.Rao has

Said.

> http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=274

there are many astro-viruses circulating who do not discuss technically and

academically but attack each other gracelessly showing their ***********

Hope You do not fulfill such a disrespectable definition. //

 

RCS, do you know who he is, he takes lecture at Sampoorna Nand University, BHU,

KCD university etc etc….

 

Actually on internet all are frogs so everybody's world finishes to Sanjay Rath,

PVR, K N Rao, B V Raman.Internet and metro cities dont cover whole India, go to

many other cities who are remote to internet like Varanasi, Patna,Gaya...You

will get to know what Jyotish is...

 

What link you are showing... K N Rao, He is astrologer??

 

Vinay Jha is son of 7 timer MP and one of the founder member of Communism in

India(Jyoti Basu was also one of them)

 

So, dont show all those things to him.

 

Pawan Maurya

 

> --- On Mon, 8/3/10, Swami_rcs <swami.rcs wrote:

>

>

> Swami_rcs <swami.rcs

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Monday, 8 March, 2010, 8:27 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear VJ,

> Nameste.

> I must have avoided writing this mail.

> I do not post mails here but read only for getting insights in some serious

topics because, this list has some real scholars like you and few others.

> Your posting that initiated thread on KCD had no previous reference to

background that you now have disclosed / proposed concerning debate between PVR

and Rath. For your information there is no debate but yes there is monologue on

part of PVR in response to one mail on KCD. Perhaps they have not met for years

together.

> Any way your answer is arrogant to my questions but that's fine and displays

attitude you have learned, it is your choice.

> Now let us see few statements you have made.

> 1. The method of AD has already been described with example.

> I revisited your webpage and found none, Please check if article is published

with some part missing.

> 2. I am surprised with your statement " BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results

of AD alone "

> . Late Santhanam has considered slokas of Seetaram jha reliable, He also

maintained that Version of Dev chand Jha was equally reliable, but for minor

variation in concepts although both the texts originally are reconstructed.

> Various people have fancy about authencity of BPHS but Concepts of KCD are not

figment of imagination however interpretation of slokas or reconstruction could

be at variation.

> I do not know why you have chosen to go in tangent instead of answering simple

question posed by me and later doubts raised to be cleared By Mr Chandrasekhar.

> Evidently you have not understood the questions that were asked, asking

question showed your postings are cared by people. The next possibility is you

know KCD like a pundit but does not know how it is derived and thus has evaded

answers like pundits do.

> 3. The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong.

> I am not a Sanskrit scholar, But I read first time KCD from version of Ganesh

Dutt Pathak around 27 years back along with description in Phaldeepika and Jatak

parijaat with commentary by Pt Gopesh kumar Oza. Having no jyotish guru and

being busy in government job as an executive I had little time to devote and KCD

was beyond correct grasp. Around 1990 TOA carried article from Late Sri

Santhanam and also Article BY Sh K.N.Rao With Some Viveki, That roused my

interest but I found Methods advocated by Them did not work. Then came Book Of

Dr B.V.Ramn. I shall not make any comments.

> What I have quoted Is from English versions made available In name Of

Santhanam ( as Vol II has been not been completed by him before his demise

except for rough draft) and OF GC Sharma .About AD slokas There is a difference

of Two sloka . Mr Chandra shekhar has quoted reference from Reliable early

published BPHS ,but no one can force to change once opinion, Of what one likes

to hold right or wrong. You have your own theory and you are entitled to hold to

it.

> 4. Their method of computation has been explained in my article which you have

not read properly.

> I did not ask computation it is mentally calculable. My question was how you

work out AD?

> Say in case of sub- periodization do you teach AD remain within the same cycle

for the dasa in KCD throughout. and its related issues.

> 5. Without reading my article in which I described the method of working out

MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of making

sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> No comments needed. Teacher/ scribe have to be clear about subject before

teaching/ writing the subject.

> 6. is not a part of verses written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of

editor who rightly felt that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have

failed to pick up this point,

> Did you check in which chand these verses are, type of Sanskrit used therein.

Age of Sanskrit if constructed is post parasar or preparshar. If you are expert

in both these areas your observations may carry weight, not otherwise. Failing

on my part does not arise for I have not learnt above but have idea of secret

behind these limited verses on AD .They are linked to Navamsa- lords. What I am

unsure is their correct calculation pattern hece my respose and query Was made.

> 7. . This scheme has already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

> Once upon a time I installed This Software and found clumsy. Before I could

work out and check My hard disc collapsed,

> Many SW has KCD scheme implemented, I am not sure None appears to have same

calculations.

> Please understand I do not enter into controversies. Look what K.N.Rao has

Said.

> http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=274

> there are many astro-viruses circulating who do not discuss technically and

academically but attack each other gracelessly showing their ***********

> Hope You do not fulfill such a disrespectable definition.

> Plaese forgive me if my this mail contents do evoke unpleasant emotions.

> With respects to all participants to this thread.

> RC

> ***********summary of correspondance ************ ***8

> To All :

>

> See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

>

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

>

> -VJ

> 6-3-2010

> Dear VJ,

> Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it . Please educate how

you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa once native has

reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing

results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is very important.

> With regards.

> RCS

> • To RCS :

>

> The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those very topics

which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence " .

>

> It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has already

been described with example. Those who know how to deduce Vimshottari AD or PD

will find no difficulty in understanding my comments. Some modern astrologers

are spreading confusion about Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and

vice versa) which is seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

>

> I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD

> NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

>

> Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? The

> very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has a

> separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

> about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. Since BPHS

> has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and

> PrD as well. Their method of computation has been explained in my article

which

> you have not read properly.

>

> -VJ

> • Dear Vinay,

>

> I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not mention

antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even

the existence of AD in KCD ? "

>

> Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called alachakraantardasha

aphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure you will find the results of

KCD antardasha phalas there. So RC ji is right. Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> • Mr Chandrashekhar,

>

> Without reading my article in which I described the method of working out MD,

AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of making sequences,

RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

>

> RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa once

native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I replied : " The very

purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the point and

intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article properly.

>

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " . The

title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses written by

Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt that the topic was

on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up this point, but you helped

him out.

>

> Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I provided

the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the original scheme of

Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice, including you and RCS. This

scheme has already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

>

> -VJ

> • Dear Vinay_jee,

>

> The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently voiced your

disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general) do not read your

articles, do not try out your software, do not listen to the truth about how

astrology must be done or calculated. Now please understand that I am not

quoting you but paraphrasing based on the sense I get and I hope others who are

observing and experiencing you on internet might have made similar observations

> too.

> It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards one person

(you!).

>

> You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In other words

someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords between your work

and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am not telling you what you must

do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was just wondering why this is happening

or rather occurring to you! And you have never been abusive or unreasonable in

your expressions either!

> Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .! Best regards, Rohiniranjan

> • Rohiniranjan Ji,

>

> Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in

general) do not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

to the truth " ).

>

> You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making myself known.

Majority of my articles have been published by others, with my consent. None of

the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in editor boards, and none of

those editors do anything in my panchangas. I

> have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My consistent

refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a sign of " disappointment,

chagrin, frustration " for failing to get recognized. Recently I tore away (not

in anger) certificates of recognition awarded

> to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for Fame is

poison to me.

>

> I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long years,

because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet astrologers. But this

prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded minority from using what

I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the result

> of long years of tests.

>

> You know many things but one : the world will cease to function properly if

Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function properly.

>

> -VJ

> • I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I was basing

my statements on what I had been observing based on what you were writing

publicle and privately through internet.

>

> Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I wrote,

therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your many wonderful,

and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your academic achievements,

panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite a few times., etc.

>

> As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world †"

we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of this

world which is already suffering and probably as we move towards the date which

many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012) , we will be facing increasing

challenges and warnings against the well-being of the earth and its dwellers.

One worry less is one sigh of relief gained, I suppose.

> Rohiniranjan

> Baby-boomer

> • <<<

> As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world --

we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of this

world which is already suffering.>> >

>

> It is not what I said. My words were " the world will cease to function

properly if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. "

>

> Any revolutionary change in fundamental beliefs results in temporary upheavals

and obstacles in proper functioning. This is what I meant.

>

> Besides, I have no power to remove materialism from the minds of those who

believe physical planets are deities and therefore any alternative software must

not be tested. Men cannot be changed unless they are ready to change themselves.

Persons with strong Saturn are more difficult to change, perhaps due to slow

motion of Saturn. But if Saturn is exalted, it results in positive change in the

long run, after initial pitfalls.

>

> You are wrongly thanking me for preservation of this world. I decided in 1971

not to become a baby-boomer, while you have added this adjective to your name in

this message ( " Rohiniranjan Baby-boomer " ). After a century ot two, no one will

remember me, but you will be remembered, at least by your babies & c. It is for

the benefit of babies of persons like you that I worked so hard. If my work is

wasted and destroyed and forgotten, it will not harm me in any respect.

>

> The only difference you have with me is due to the fact that I found, much

later in my life, that physical astronomy gives worse astrological results than

Suryasiddhanta. Before this finding, I had equal or perhaps more faith in the

astrological validity of physical planetary motions. Had I retained my earlier

opinion, you would have found no difference.

>

> You sincerely used words like " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for me.

But such traits are results of expectations. I had no expectation. Hence, there

was no question of disappointment. The whole world is taught physical astronomy,

formally as well as informally. Even many of

> those who have to study Suryasiddhanta do not comprehend it properly.

> Hence, a software based on a misunderstood text could not become popular.

Moreover, I am using outdated Visual Basic version which is not allowing many

users to install Kundalee on their machines. You also know these issues well.

Then, why you guessed I am " disappointed " ? I knew the outcome beforehand, and

that is why I refrained from launching Kundalee on web for years ; Kundalee is

still not fit for web (it contains outdated DLL files).

>

> You have question thrice why I am treated so. Here is the answer :

> Presently, the planets of MD, AD and PD in my horoscope have bitter enmical

aspects on 10th house. In my birthchart too, I have lord of 11th Sun sitting in

4th (house of Suhrid), which makes my " friends " often unfriendly towards me.

Hence, I must not get recognition or honour for

> my work. Due to my way of life, bonds of horoscope are not hard on me, and I

get recognition wherever I go. But I try to keep away from honours & c because I

know if I stick to this World I will have to pay a heavy price by being engulfed

by it in the form of next birth/births.

>

> I have no grudge against you. I can even tolerate abuses from those who have

contributed something worthwhile to others. I do not mean you have ever abused

anyone, including me, I only mean that you have really contributed something

good to society at large, and that is your real worth to me. It does not matter

to me what is your opinion about me or about my work. Not even 1% on my work is

on internet, hence you do not know my work. Bulk of my written works are not in

astrology but in comparative linguistics of Indo-European languages (mainly

concerning the dating of Rgveda through linguistic means), which I never

published in book form but gave parts of it in lectures and some articles and

emails only. Sincerely,

> -VJ

> • Thank you very much Vinay_jee for opening your heart on this forum where I

know you are indeed respected and where the moderator has publicly assured you

several times that you will always be listened too, and from my lowly ant's

perspective you have been! I use the metaphor of 'ant' from time to time, not to

portray veiled arrogance or sham-humility but to me, ants represent the

'grihasta' and worldly reality of the very same DIVINITY that also produces

> monks and sadhus and sages and awatars! The same MA and BABA who create all

this

> magic and whose BABIES we all are: Grihasta and Brahmachari!

>

> It is for the BABIES of those CELESTIAL PARENTS that we all must work towards

& that includes the grihasta and the brahmachari and the rest of the fauna and

flora! I KNOW that the YUGAS will bring pralayas and we all shall return to

where we started and ACTUALLY never left!

>

> That is what to me personally has always meant SATURN's message and SATURN'S

BLESSINGS! STAMBHAN (of any planet) perhaps in transit or even in natal

represents SATURN, while atichara represents some other astrological- factor...

!

>

> Saturn is that KHOONTI (hindi Khoonti and not bangla khoonti!) to which the

goat (astrological reality starting with aries/mesha) is tied to with the

illusive rope of free-will, as Thakur Paramahansa' s allegory reminds us.

>

> I have always wondered as to why RamKrishna used the goat as the animal in the

metaphor! Goats are known to have an innate GIFT for chewing incessantly! What

if they decide to chew on the rope that tie them fatalistically to SATURN?

Emancipation can come to GOATS too, can it not?

>

> I hope the GOATs are listening? I mean CHEWING!! Regards, Rohiniranjan

> • [Rohini Da,

>

> Grihasthas are not ants. All other ashramas depend on them. While sanyaasis,

fed by grihasthas, look after moksha, Dharma in this world is maintained by

Grihasthas. Unfortunately, most of the grihasthas in kaliyuga have become

grihastas (grih-asta : combust in the home).

> -VJ

> • Vinay_jee,

>

> As far as combustion is concerned, often touched upon earlier -- a new

question since the earliers remained unanswered:

> Does the Sun becomes combust when each evening he goes ASTA in the west?

> I had heard another version too!

>

> Griha -- Sthaa

>

> When the griha comes to stay (comes back HOME) griha-sthaa!

>

> SATURN again! Chores and hard repetitive work, day in and day out! Like the

lowly ants (grihasthas! ) need to finish before they get access to their

computers ;-)

>

> Count your blessings... !

>

> Rohiniranjan

> • Sir,

> The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate Kalachakra dasa

needs to be complemented. AS most of us show eagerness to apply mostly the Chara

Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD application seems to work better in some

cases(b4 and after war times) found to be more precise.Few people actually

make effort to apply KCD and in this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

> His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was made

after thorough study of classsiclas, though it is mainly oriented towards surya

siddhantic principles.Unfortun ately my efforts to load and use on window Vista

never gave me the personal satisfaction to understand the efficacy of

software.Some of our JT members,however endorsed compliments.

> The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be be taken

with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to take with

grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop astrology in the present

times shall definetely help those worried about apocalypse relating to 21st Dec.

> and remove all doubts that the order of the Nature is very much stable and

nothing to apprehend catastophy. The recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and

impending tectonic movements it is evident the world is under transformation.

(but disintegration? )This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned money

does not also seems to be secure. Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed

by Saturn in Virgo,with exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly

getting brow beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble

though he is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's

Stabhisha. The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and encouraging

members from time to time.The benifit out of these crtical discussions Iam sure

members will take them in right earnes and laud all those with penchant to do

write some thing

> different from routine and explore all the past base and make the knowledge

reachable to common man.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> • Krishnan Ji,

>

> I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote place

and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking too much time.

>

> Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love since I

was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago when I got

irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

> Suryasiddhanta.

>

> The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first khanda-kalpa

of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the worst is over and we

are heading towards better days. World population will decrease henceforth and

Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

> Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi of

Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east Europe (Rome,

Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi. This Drikpakshiya

theory has not fully survived.

> • I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a

chord!

>

> So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan and

their political situations and economies etc...) that are going to progress or

will the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may be born in Japan or

Iraq, in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps insects shall rule the universe,

yet again!!

>

> Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime -- several

perhaps because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

>

> What do you think?

>

> Rohiniranjan

> • Human beings will fare according to theor own individual karmas, while

countries will fare according to fixed laws of mundane jyotisha. During my

school days, I wondered why most of the rich persons are born in rich countries

!

>

> It is only the beginning of Kaliyuga. Only 5110 years have elapsed. 426890

years are yet to come, during which there will be nine more socalled Doomsdays.

-VJ

> • Dear Vinay_jee,

>

> Yes humanity still has a fair amount of time! Even by Sri Yukteshwar Giri's

reckoning which baffles many -- as does the ayanamsha that 'astronomical books'

were following, as also the 54 " annual rate of progression that he shared with

us all in The Holy Science -- primarily written for a specific purpose in 1894

> -- as clearly stated by Yogananda's Gurujee.

>

> In fact, even if we all who are chattering away wisely here and elsewhere were

to be suddenly decimated into our 'elements' C, N, O, S and a bunch of other

pieces that belong to the periodic table, would that put CREATION to an end? Or

CREATIVITY.. .?

>

> Sometimes the Puppeteer (whose performance it really is -- and not of the

puppet!) is so skilled, like some parents are -- that the puppet really carries

the show, and never manages to figure out who was pulling the strings and who

was really in control!

>

> Either way, the PARENT/PUPPETEER wins because after all whose show it is,

after

> all?

>

> Rohiniranjan

> • Dear Sir,

> It is only micro organisms that will have a longer life over arthropods or

> milli/centipeds. The fast changing climate and emissions make humans with

shields looking like scietific Avatasrs.

> Insects,I mean UFO's ruling of course a scientific version.Like Man with a

Calti Ka Naam gadi is also Chatushpada. The over take or scientific explosion

put man behind .so the waning of the homosapiens is the question of time,say

distant end of Kaliyuga.

> Having to be a japanee or Iraquee in the next birth will be a major wish,as in

India it is develop..... . " ing "

> other nations like Korea(except congo) including Iraq,japan and the lattest

Afganisthan are having less of history and Nations in making will no doubt

emerge further will have a major say in Global matters.

> China and Congo may still be there what the histories of these countries

convey.Of course not even century hold has hopes but yet in baking stage.The

cake before it is made is target for many to cut and celebrate.yet the land of

Ganga,Jamna may boast of very 5th and 9th house.But drikdrishti theory may

further fail these hopes.

> Exception seems to be the Vikruti Nanam samvatsaram where orderliness is

predicted for this nation to progress and bring reforms.Not Certainly women's

Reservation Bill nor the debated Nuclear bill of the past.

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> • Krishnan dada,

>

> Please tell us more about the *drikdrishti* theory you mentioned about towards

the end of your message (quoted below).

>

> Very early on in my pursuance of astrology, SAMBANDHA in the horoscope became

a

> crucial point of attention for me and that is where SYNTHESIS became such an

important point-of-focus. Drishti (when eyes meet) is very synthetic, of course.

>

> Rohiniranjan

> • sir,

> As all of us Surya Siddhanta has a unque system oc classificcation. like India

Meru .........Dakshna dhk bhage....... ...etc.For mundane purpose this is

> followed by some jyotishis.

> 2.Basically in Munadane Astrology,others more or less of the Parasara the

location /situation of regions ,countries was thought to be based on drik

pakshiya drishti.(Disa. /direction) .

> This resulted in cluster and was lacking clarity to find the correctness of

astrological progress vis a vis their destiny/fate/ .So this too has become

debatable.

> 3..Also people hold the view the independence/ liberation day chart too are

not meaningful.

> The analysis for mundane purpose as of now based on conventional model has

been revised.Now based the disatnce from equator,and georphical data,a chkra has

been

> drwan and it's traditional as well as scientific importance is yet to be

estblishes

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(Dear Sir ji; Pt. Chandra Munni Pathak

has an interesting

> note in his commentary on

>

> lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as

such in Romanised Hindi;

>

> " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se

> sambhandhit

>

> nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi

>

> prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu

kaun

>

> kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi,

>

> isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai " .

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

> • Dear Vinay,

>

> I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on lists.

Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read out what you

wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are mentioned in BPHS

and gave you the page number since you specifically said that BPHS does not have

them.

>

> You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of antardasha

by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any verses that can lead

the editors to it. You may like to read the verse at page 380 of the same

edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- " is written and the mention of

antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

>

> Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what he is

saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought to be brought in

about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme. But then I see you

have given something called Karka mahadasha of KCD'S Antardasha order as

4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

>

> Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced likewise

according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have Karka AD as the

first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka : 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

>

> May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha order

begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and

9, that is it begins with Karka? If it follows the order given by you , how does

it fit in with the manner Parashara told to look at the Antardasha in

Vimshottari scheme? Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> • Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I wrote

>

> <<<

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " . The

title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses written by

Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt that the topic was

on AD.

> >>>

>

> I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor rightly felt

that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word " rightly " and tried to distort

my statement.

>

> Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of " editor " . Pt

Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba edition by Pt

Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why

you assume all editors are unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too

enthusiastic at many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

" Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled as

> AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and PrD. In a

previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there must be lower periods.

In the chapter " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly

labeled as

> " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all twelve

raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I take it for

nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs for raashis of

PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been so, the text would have

mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the beginning of this chapter.

>

> My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before discussing.

I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly "

guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my message because you brought my

statements out of context and changed

> some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used when you want

to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not one's aim.

>

> Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology) between

other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread, I had some

correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private email ID (I had

complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He clarified that JHORA has

many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and

PVR's own method is given under the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this

correspondence, I copied parts of my message to him and posted it at my own

website. Then, I informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to

start any

> discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part of my

message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an elucidation of that

case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in vedic astrology (about which he

has very heated differences with his Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong

sequence of second pada of Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I

supported. BPHS gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was

missing in

> BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should be

reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery. Since the

discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave an example of

Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD. Karka

navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there will be twelve types

of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage to

> clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to write

articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary of all important

aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the basic scheme was outlined in

it, and the sole purpose of this article was to prove the validity of A-2

sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 : 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against

Pt Sanjay Rath and against Sri Jyoti Star. -VJ

> • Dear Sir,

> 1Since nakshtra r basically savya(15) and apasavya(12) based and also on DEHA

and Jeeva accordingly some ambiguity is KCD is there.Further nakshtra pada also

decides commencement of Dasa .For ex bharani 4th,the order is as mentioned by

Shri Chandrsekhar Ji.where as antar dasa also floows same order working out

paramyu as 86yrs.

> 2.Parasara certainly has also taken dasa visleshan based Kalchakradasa. But

some how the working out of dasa of KCD has three methods as explained by BVR in

his book.

> It appears,some problem in interpretation lead to differences. Like wise

application of KCD for anlysis also there were different views.Some opine if

venus is strong in natal chart or based on Moon if strong etc.

> In KCD dasaa basically proceed by three distinct steps.1.Mandooka2. Markata

and 3.Simhavalokana, keeping basically svaya and apasavya clasification of

Nakshtras. 3.//4,5,3,2, 1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka?//As per

KCD scheme this is Correct.

> 4. //But then I see you have given something called...//There seems to be

typographical mistake.

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling 7 March 2010

> • I have explained the main problem of KCD in

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa -VJ

> • Vinayji,

>

> I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason I

usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

>

> I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no need to do

so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing quotes to you. That

you choose to change your stand from mail to mail makes it difficult to continue

this argument. But for the record in the mail to RC you also said

> " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ?

The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has

a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. "

>

> So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I give you

shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want to go off on a

tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on your stand and say " I

still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly "

guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what is meant by MeshaaMshe svaantare

bhaume... " if the word antar is not mentioning antardasha, what does is it

mentioning and where is the guess work on part of Sitaram Jha?

>

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should follow

Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara

says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari. " Why not give the

shloka and chapter number and verse number to support your argument? That would

support what you are saying.

>

> I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any relevance

here.

>

> You have still not answered my original question of variation of antardasha

order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with different order, that

I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order of antardasha given by you

matches and also indicate why it would not match the Karka Mahadasha order for

the nakshatra given and also what Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle

follows the order that you suggest where with antardasha following the same

> order would be " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all

of us to learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

saying?

>

> I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that they are

quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting what you say and they

do not read your article does not prove your point at all. I do not create any

sort of astro software so I do not have any reason to distort anyone's

statements. Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> • Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> You wrote : <<<

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should follow

Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari. " Why

not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support your

argument? That would support what you are saying. >>>

>

> You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which says :

" Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88 in the chapter

Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

>

> Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various editions of

BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including this, I had started some

discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and available

manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up this

plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt Devachandra

Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is therefore most authentic,

although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in the

edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-) famous for

inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit has rewritten many

verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a loss to identify that

pandit/pandits.

>

> I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available sources.

Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is collection of

various variants of BPHS.

>

> I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but merely

copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written any

comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I did not give

my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not explain his own ; he

simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of 1930 and he does not know

the source of that book. Either PVR has not read Phaladeepikaa or does not

respect it and values a dubious Telugu book more than traditionally respected

texts. If you have not read Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to

be in harmony with BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as

KCD AD is concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

>

> Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of PVR

against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's sequence to be

in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in knowing the sequences of

KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are free to find additional sins in

me.

>

> You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has ever tried to

distort my statements. Now I believe you are not deliberately distorting my

statements. The fault lies in your belief in certain edition and ignorance of

other editions of BPHS. It is not my fault for which you are accusing me of

falsehood and dishonesty. As for RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study

properly, because he was citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

> All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

> -VJ

> ============ ==== ===

> • Dear Krishnan,

>

> I think there is more confusion about Kalchakra dasha than any other dasha

simply because though it is called as one of the important dashas, people tend

to find more than what is there in it. You are right there are basically three

Gatis, but now it seems people are inventing more gatis or giving the old ones

new names. That is good to see in print but I doubt if it helps.

>

> People tend to argue more about what is right than taking pains to read that

which is clearly stated. The use of the dasha is simple if one understands it

right.

>

> As a matter of fact I began penning a book on it, and it is half complete but

since I am at present translating one of my own books under direction from

Mahamandaleshwar of a respected Akhada, that has taken a back seat.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> • <<<

> You are right there are basically three Gatis, but now it seems people are

inventing more gatis or giving the old ones new names.

> >>>

>

> This sentence is clearly against me, because I wrote that only the negative

Gatis are mentioned in BPHS and positive Gatis are not named. It is not my

invention, as Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma falsely charges.

> He says " I began penning a book on it (KCD) " but seems to be ignorant of the

fact that all three gatis mentined in BPHS are bad, but many people have good

phases in their lives too. Secondly, BPHS gives many sequences such as

1,2,3,.... which do not come under either of mandooki, markati or

simhaavalokana. Hence, there must be more than three gatis and any additional

gati must be benefic. Only malefic Durgatis are mentioned in PHS (as gatis).

>

> Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma claims to an expert on KCD but is ignorant of this

fact as well as of other facts. Recently he refused to accept that KCD's MD

should be deduced according to Vimshottari and asked me to show the verse. The

verse is " ...Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88 in

the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). "

> I never wrote any independent article of KCD. Recently, I saw a debate between

Mr Sanjay Rath and PVR Narasimha Rao. I found PVR to correct on one point. I

wrote something to PVR on that point, and pasted my answer on my website too. It

was not a comprehensive article on KCD not. On AD, I did give any detailed

analysis, but only some brief comments on the topic which PVR and Mr Rath were

discussing. I think there is no need of any new article on KCD because

Phaladeepikaa has elaborated it beautifully. Some astrologers are creating

unncessary controversies about KCD. Phaladeepikaa is based on BPHS and

Chandrashekhar Ji has not read some important editions of BPHS (cf.

" ...Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " ). -VJ

>

> , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinayji,

> >

> > You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the goal.

Was it not you who first said that there is no reference to Antardasha when I

had given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather Kheladilal edition? So now why the

sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha edition? Any way the shloka you are

quoting does not say that Kalachakra dasha should be deduced in accordance with

Vimshottari dashas. At least the shloka you quote does not say so.

> >

> > I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta

Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please do not assume that

everybody other than you is unaware of the different editions of BPHS in

existence.

> >

> > You are again referring to the other threads on which you have written,

whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was restricted to the

original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of KCD are not mentioned but

Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

> >

> > I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are now

attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your mail. It is

apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question and skirting it by

writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in

your support and then again say it is not complete. If that is so, why the

insistence that one should only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said

there.

> >

> > I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS, that

gives Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have brought up that

subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system, as indicated by

Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why and how Vakya differs

from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem to imply that you are the

only authority on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. That may

help jyotish fraternity more than this jumping from one text to other.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You wrote :

> >

> > <<<

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > >>>

> >

> > You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> > says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88

> > in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

> >

> > Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

> > convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> > editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> > this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> > and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> > available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> > No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

> > this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

> > Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> > therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> > chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> > satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> > Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

> > the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> > famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

> > has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a

> > loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

> >

> > I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

> > accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> > sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> > collection of various variants of BPHS.

> >

> > I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

> > merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written

> > any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

> > did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

> > explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of

> > 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

> > read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

> > book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> > Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

> > BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

> > concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

> > you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

> >

> > Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

> > PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

> > sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> > knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are

> > free to find additional sins in me.

> >

> > You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> > have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

> > ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> > deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief in

> > certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

> > fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As for

> > RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

> > citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

> >

> > All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ==== ===

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Vinayji,

> > >

> > > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason

> > I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> > >

> > > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

> > need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> > quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

> > makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in the

> > mail to RC you also said

> > > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

> > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

> > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

> > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

> > results are about MD. "

> > >

> > > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

> > give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want

> > to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

> > your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

> > Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

> > is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

> > mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the guess

> > work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> > >

> > > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > >

> > > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> > relevance here.

> > >

> > > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> > antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

> > different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order

> > of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

> > match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

> > Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

> > suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> > " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

> > learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> > saying?

> > >

> > > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that

> > they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> > what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your point

> > at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

> > reason to distort anyone's statements.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> > >

> > > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> > wrote

> > > :

> > >

> > > <<<

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > felt

> > > that the topic was on AD.

> > > >>>

> > >

> > > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> > " rightly "

> > > and tried to distort my statement.

> > >

> > > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> > " editor " .

> > > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> > > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> > > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > > " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

> > as

> > > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> > PrD.

> > > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> > deduced

> > > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> > > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> > > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

> > twelve

> > > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> > take it

> > > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

> > for

> > > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> > so,

> > > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > > beginning of this chapter.

> > >

> > > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> > > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > > message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> > > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> > when

> > > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> > one's

> > > aim.

> > >

> > > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

> > I

> > > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> > email

> > > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> > under

> > > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> > copied

> > > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> > > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

> > any

> > > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

> > of

> > > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> > > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

> > of

> > > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> > BPHS

> > > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing in

> > > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> > be

> > > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> > Since

> > > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave

> > an

> > > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> > > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> > will be

> > > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> > to

> > > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> > > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> > of

> > > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> > basic

> > > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

> > to

> > > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> > > 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> > and

> > > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ===== ====

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

> > on

> > > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> > read

> > > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

> > are

> > > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> > specifically

> > > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > > >

> > > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> > of

> > > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> > > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> > verse

> > > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> > bhaume---- "

> > > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> > > >

> > > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> > > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> > what

> > > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

> > to

> > > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> > scheme.

> > > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> > KCD'S

> > > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> > > >

> > > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> > deduced

> > > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> > have

> > > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

> > :

> > > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > > >

> > > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> > dasha

> > > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > > 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> > follows

> > > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> > Parashara

> > > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > > working

> > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

> > of

> > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > > >

> > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > > " Please

> > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > > dasa

> > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> > elucidation

> > > of

> > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > > article

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > > verses

> > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > > felt

> > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> > > up

> > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > >

> > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> > KCD.

> > > PVR

> > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > > which I

> > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> > > the

> > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > > notice,

> > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ==== ===

> > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > > BPHS

> > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > > sure

> > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > > >

> > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > -

> > > > > VJha

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To RCS :

> > > > >

> > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> > those

> > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> > you

> > > move

> > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> > > has

> > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

> > is

> > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > > Jeeva

> > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> > alone. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> > AD

> > > in

> > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> > right

> > > of

> > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> > > 37

> > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > > These

> > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

> > we

> > > may

> > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> > of

> > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> > read

> > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > > swami.rcs@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > > Sequence

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > > Stanza

> > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> > AD

> > > is

> > > > very important.

> > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > RCS

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To All :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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u must know Lalit Misra alias Utkal panigrahi has one and only one goal that he

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them r jukt to ro be mud slinged, maligned, abused by him again the only one who

is empowered to do so....

and now he has been targeting PVN ji on several counts it is a pity that one can

descend to such lows not all his messages r worthy of group reading hence this

msg.

he wont spare any living or dead astrologer,scholar so no big deal if u read any

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intention to malign any member here

 

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Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

 

Mon, March 8, 2010 10:37:58 PM

Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

Dear Vinayji,

 

You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the goal. Was it

not you who first said that there is no reference to Antardasha when I had given

the title of Sitaram Jha or rather Kheladilal edition? So now why the sudden

quote from the Devachandra Jha edition? Any way the shloka you are quoting does

not say that Kalachakra dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari

dashas. At least the shloka you quote does not say so.

 

I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta Pathaka

one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please do not assume that everybody

other than you is unaware of the different editions of BPHS in existence.

 

You are again referring to the other threads on which you have written, whereas

I have made it amply clear that my response was restricted to the original

thread where you wrote that antar dashas of KCD are not mentioned but Sitaram

Jha only deduced so.

 

I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are now

attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your mail. It is

apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question and skirting it by

writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in

your support and then again say it is not complete. If that is so, why the

insistence that one should only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said

there.

 

I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS, that gives

Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have brought up that

subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system, as indicated by

Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why and how Vakya differs

from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem to imply that you are the

only authority on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. That may

help jyotish fraternity more than this jumping from one text to other.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar

 

-

VJha

 

Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

 

You wrote :

 

<<<

Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

" Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

your argument? That would support what you are saying.

>>>

 

You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88

in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

 

Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a

loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

 

I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

collection of various variants of BPHS.

 

I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written

any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of

1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

 

Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are

free to find additional sins in me.

 

You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief in

certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As for

RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

 

All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

 

-VJ

============ ==== ===

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har wrote:

>

> Vinayji,

>

> I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason

I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

>

> I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in the

mail to RC you also said

> " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

results are about MD. "

>

> So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want

to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the guess

work on part of Sitaram Jha?

>

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

" Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

your argument? That would support what you are saying.

>

> I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

relevance here.

>

> You have still not answered my original question of variation of

antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order

of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

" 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

saying?

>

> I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that

they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your point

at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

reason to distort anyone's statements.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

wrote

> :

>

> <<<

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

" antardashaa " .

> The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

verses

> written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

felt

> that the topic was on AD.

> >>>

>

> I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

" rightly "

> and tried to distort my statement.

>

> Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

" editor " .

> Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

as

> AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

PrD.

> In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

deduced

> according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> must be lower periods. In the chapter

" Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

twelve

> raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

take it

> for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

for

> raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

so,

> the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> beginning of this chapter.

>

> My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

when

> you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

one's

> aim.

>

> Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

I

> had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

email

> ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

under

> the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

copied

> parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

any

> discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

of

> my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

of

> Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

BPHS

> gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing in

> BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

be

> reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

Since

> the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave

an

> example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

will be

> twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

to

> clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

of

> all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

basic

> scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

to

> prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

and

> against Sri Jyoti Star.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ===== ====

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay,

> >

> > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

on

> lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

read

> out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

are

> mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

specifically

> said that BPHS does not have them.

> >

> > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

of

> antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

verse

> at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

bhaume---- "

> is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> >

> > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

what

> he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

to

> be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

scheme.

> But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

KCD'S

> Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> >

> > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

deduced

> likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

have

> Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

:

> 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> >

> > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

dasha

> order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

follows

> the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

Parashara

> told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> working

> > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

of

> > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> >

> > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> " Please

> > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> dasa

> > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

elucidation

> of

> > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> article

> > properly.

> >

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> " antardashaa " .

> > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> verses

> > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> felt

> > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> up

> > this point, but you helped him out.

> >

> > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

KCD.

> PVR

> > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> which I

> > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> the

> > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> notice,

> > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > Kundalee Software.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ==== ===

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> BPHS

> > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > >

> > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> sure

> > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > >

> > > So RC ji is right.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To RCS :

> > >

> > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

those

> > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

you

> move

> > to next Sequence " .

> > >

> > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> has

> > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

is

> > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > >

> > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> Jeeva

> > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

alone. "

> > >

> > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

AD

> in

> > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

right

> of

> > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> 37

> > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> These

> > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

we

> may

> > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

of

> > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

read

> > properly.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > >

> > > , " R C Srivastava "

> swami.rcs@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > Sequence

> > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> Stanza

> > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

AD

> is

> > very important.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > RCS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > >

> > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > >

> > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I will be very BLUNT -- I have seen that in the worldly MAYA only in two

occasions:

 

In certain cultures when a mother dies, (or anyone for that matter), she is made

to look presentable and make-up is used so that those who come to pay their

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And Secondly,

 

In the movie PSYCHO where Norman Bates tries to preserve his DEAD mother through

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Sorry folks, this has nothing to do with JYOTISH and moderator can feel free to

eliminate this 'ant-bite'!

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekar ji,Members

>

>

> u must know Lalit Misra alias Utkal panigrahi has one and only one goal that

he is the only one in the universe be it from any bygone Yoga/era to now who

knows all as he is in direct contact to a mother and who tells him what to do,

rest of them r jukt to ro be mud slinged, maligned, abused by him again the only

one who is empowered to do so....

> and now he has been targeting PVN ji on several counts it is a pity that one

can descend to such lows not all his messages r worthy of group reading hence

this msg.

> he wont spare any living or dead astrologer,scholar so no big deal if u read

any abusive mails in any fake NAME. if they get approved it is a mistake but not

a intention to malign any member here

>

> as all old members r free -unmoderated and every group has such

parasites-using fake ID's so be prepared and also know we can deal with them

with composure, poise as always

>

>

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

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>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

>

> Mon, March 8, 2010 10:37:58 PM

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the goal. Was

it not you who first said that there is no reference to Antardasha when I had

given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather Kheladilal edition? So now why the

sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha edition? Any way the shloka you are

quoting does not say that Kalachakra dasha should be deduced in accordance with

Vimshottari dashas. At least the shloka you quote does not say so.

>

> I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta

Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please do not assume that

everybody other than you is unaware of the different editions of BPHS in

existence.

>

> You are again referring to the other threads on which you have written,

whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was restricted to the

original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of KCD are not mentioned but

Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

>

> I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are now

attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your mail. It is

apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question and skirting it by

writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in

your support and then again say it is not complete. If that is so, why the

insistence that one should only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said

there.

>

> I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS, that gives

Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have brought up that

subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system, as indicated by

Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why and how Vakya differs

from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem to imply that you are the

only authority on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. That may

help jyotish fraternity more than this jumping from one text to other.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You wrote :

>

> <<<

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >>>

>

> You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88

> in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

>

> Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

> convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

> this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

> Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

> the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

> has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a

> loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

>

> I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

> accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> collection of various variants of BPHS.

>

> I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

> merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written

> any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

> did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

> explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of

> 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

> read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

> book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

> BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

> concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

> you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

>

> Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

> PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

> sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are

> free to find additional sins in me.

>

> You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

> ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief in

> certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

> fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As for

> RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

> citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

>

> All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ==== ===

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >

> > Vinayji,

> >

> > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason

> I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> >

> > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

> need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

> makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in the

> mail to RC you also said

> > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

> results are about MD. "

> >

> > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

> give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want

> to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

> your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

> Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

> is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

> mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the guess

> work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> >

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >

> > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> relevance here.

> >

> > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

> different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order

> of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

> match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

> Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

> suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

> learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> saying?

> >

> > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that

> they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your point

> at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

> reason to distort anyone's statements.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> wrote

> > :

> >

> > <<<

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> " antardashaa " .

> > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> verses

> > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> felt

> > that the topic was on AD.

> > >>>

> >

> > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> " rightly "

> > and tried to distort my statement.

> >

> > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> " editor " .

> > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

> as

> > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> PrD.

> > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> deduced

> > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

> twelve

> > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> take it

> > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

> for

> > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> so,

> > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > beginning of this chapter.

> >

> > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> when

> > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> one's

> > aim.

> >

> > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

> I

> > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> email

> > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> under

> > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> copied

> > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

> any

> > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

> of

> > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

> of

> > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> BPHS

> > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing in

> > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> be

> > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> Since

> > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave

> an

> > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> will be

> > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> to

> > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> of

> > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> basic

> > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

> to

> > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> > 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> and

> > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ===== ====

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

> on

> > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> read

> > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

> are

> > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> specifically

> > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > >

> > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> of

> > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> verse

> > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> bhaume---- "

> > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> > >

> > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> what

> > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

> to

> > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> scheme.

> > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> KCD'S

> > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> > >

> > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> deduced

> > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> have

> > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

> :

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > >

> > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> dasha

> > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> follows

> > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> Parashara

> > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > working

> > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

> of

> > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > >

> > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > " Please

> > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > dasa

> > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> elucidation

> > of

> > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > article

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > felt

> > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> > up

> > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > >

> > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> KCD.

> > PVR

> > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > which I

> > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> > the

> > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > notice,

> > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > > Kundalee Software.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ==== ===

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > BPHS

> > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > >

> > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > sure

> > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > >

> > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To RCS :

> > > >

> > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those

> > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> you

> > move

> > > to next Sequence " .

> > > >

> > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> > has

> > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

> is

> > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > Jeeva

> > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> alone. "

> > > >

> > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> AD

> > in

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> right

> > of

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> > 37

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > These

> > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

> we

> > may

> > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> of

> > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> read

> > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > >

> > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > swami.rcs@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > Sequence

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > Stanza

> > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> AD

> > is

> > > very important.

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > RCS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > >

> > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I wonder why some loud mouthing astrologers who have gone into hiding and who

professed innate qualities about mundane astrology were not able to predict

passage of Women's Reservation Bill today. That perhaps is vedic knowledge

imparted by Gods in their dreams in astrology.

 

Let them be happy.

 

Mouji Ram

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mouji .... Ram,

 

That what's already predicted need not be predicted again.

 

Smt Gayatri Devi Vasudev has already predictd this event, but, offcource no body

in your parampara.

 

 

Huh ...

 

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

>

> I wonder why some loud mouthing astrologers who have gone into hiding and who

professed innate qualities about mundane astrology were not able to predict

passage of Women's Reservation Bill today. That perhaps is vedic knowledge

imparted by Gods in their dreams in astrology.

>  

> Let them be happy.

>  

> Mouji Ram

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Give my congratulations to Smt. Gayatri Devi Vasudev, then. What about you and

your team of learned Vedic Astrologers.

 

And still waiting for your answers to that mail in which your distortions were

shown to the entire group.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

 

Tue, March 9, 2010 9:54:25 PM

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

Mouji .... Ram,

 

That what's already predicted need not be predicted again.

 

Smt Gayatri Devi Vasudev has already predictd this event, but, offcource no body

in your parampara.

 

Huh ...

 

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:

>

> I wonder why some loud mouthing astrologers who have gone into hiding and who

professed innate qualities about mundane astrology were not able to predict

passage of Women's Reservation Bill today. That perhaps is vedic knowledge

imparted by Gods in their dreams in astrology.

>  

> Let them be happy.

>  

> Mouji Ram

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some of the contributors of this thread have now exposed their real intentions :

instead of discussing astrology, they are abusers and no more. As for my link to

communism, members can ask BJP leader Mr Kirti Azad, the sitting member of Loka

Sabha from my city Darbhanga, about my ideology or social activities. I do not

belong to any political party, but the only political party which is dead

against me is Communist Party of India. It had unsuccessfully tried to capture

the Sanskrit college managed by me, where I am running a gurukula without asking

for any donations from anyone, although I never earned a paisa out of Jyotisha

and never asked for any donation for this gurukula and sold my only house to

feed the children. Why some members with pseudonymn are misinforming otherss

about me is not clear to me. But they will gain nothing. If they think they can

harm me, they are mistaken. I already renounced all gains, hence I cannot lose

anything.

 

BPHS does not contain " 56 stanzas about AD " . Instead of repeating false

statements, why this member does not name the publisher and edition and chapter

number of BPHS which has 56 stanzan about AD ??

 

I am really not interested in discussing KCD with a memebr who claims that there

are 56 stanzas in BPHS about AD of KCD. Presently uploaded version of Kundalee

has only MD of KCD, not AD & c, because presently I have no time to experiment

with various schools about AD of KCD. The present version of Kundalee cannot be

installed on all computers due to some outdated DLL files. I will update these

files when I get them.

 

-VJ

========================== ===

vedic astrology , Astro Talk <astro.talk wrote:

>

> // Many SW has KCD scheme implemented, I am not sure None appears to have same

calculations.

> Please understand I do not enter into controversies. Look what K.N.Rao has

Said.

> http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=274

> there are many astro-viruses circulating who do not discuss technically and

academically but attack each other gracelessly showing their ***********

> Hope You do not fulfill such a disrespectable definition. //

>  

> RCS, do you know who he is, he takes lecture at Sampoorna Nand University,

BHU, KCD university etc etc….

>  

> Actually on internet all are frogs so everybody's world finishes to Sanjay

Rath, PVR, K N Rao, B V Raman.Internet and metro cities dont cover whole India,

go to many other cities who are remote to internet like Varanasi,

Patna,Gaya...You will get to know what Jyotish is...

>  

> What link you are showing... K N Rao, He is astrologer??

>  

> Vinay Jha is son of 7 timer MP and one of the founder member of Communism in

India(Jyoti Basu was also one of them)

>  

> So, dont show all those things to him.

>  

> Pawan Maurya

>  

> --- On Mon, 8/3/10, Swami_rcs <swami.rcs wrote:

>

>

> Swami_rcs <swami.rcs

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Monday, 8 March, 2010, 8:27 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear VJ,

> Nameste.

> I must have avoided writing this mail.

> I do not post mails here but read only for getting insights in some serious

topics because, this list has some real scholars like you and few others.

> Your posting that initiated thread on KCD had no previous reference to

background that you now have disclosed / proposed concerning debate between PVR

and Rath. For your information there is no debate but yes there is monologue on

part of PVR in response to one mail on KCD. Perhaps they have not met for years

together.

> Any way your answer is arrogant to my questions but that's fine and displays

attitude you have learned, it is your choice.

> Now let us see few statements you have made.

> 1. The method of AD has already been described with example.

> I revisited your webpage and found none, Please check if article is published

with some part missing.

> 2. I am surprised with your statement " BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results

of AD alone "

> . Late Santhanam has considered slokas of Seetaram jha reliable, He also

maintained that Version of Dev chand Jha was equally reliable, but for minor

variation in concepts although both the texts originally are reconstructed.

> Various people have fancy about authencity of BPHS but Concepts of KCD are not

figment of imagination however interpretation of slokas or reconstruction could

be at variation.

> I do not know why you have chosen to go in tangent instead of answering simple

question posed by me and later doubts raised to be cleared By Mr Chandrasekhar.

> Evidently you have not understood the questions that were asked, asking

question showed your postings are cared by people. The next possibility is you

know KCD like a pundit but does not know how it is derived and thus has evaded

answers like pundits do.

> 3. The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong.

> I am not a Sanskrit scholar, But I read first time KCD from version of Ganesh

Dutt Pathak around 27 years back along with description in Phaldeepika and Jatak

parijaat with commentary by Pt Gopesh kumar Oza. Having no jyotish guru and

being busy in government job as an executive I had little time to devote and KCD

was beyond correct grasp. Around 1990 TOA carried article from Late Sri

Santhanam and also Article BY Sh K.N.Rao With Some Viveki, That roused my

interest but I found Methods advocated by Them did not work. Then came Book Of

Dr B.V.Ramn. I shall not make any comments.

> What I have quoted Is from English versions made available In name Of

Santhanam ( as Vol II has been not been completed by him before his demise

except for rough draft) and OF GC Sharma .About AD slokas There is a difference

of Two sloka . Mr Chandra shekhar has quoted reference from Reliable early

published BPHS ,but no one can force to change once opinion, Of what one likes

to hold right or wrong. You have your own theory and you are entitled to hold to

it.

> 4. Their method of computation has been explained in my article which you have

not read properly.

> I did not ask computation it is mentally calculable. My question was how you

work out AD?

> Say in case of sub- periodization do you teach AD remain within the same cycle

for the dasa in KCD throughout. and its related issues.

> 5. Without reading my article in which I described the method of working out

MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of making

sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> No comments needed. Teacher/ scribe have to be clear about subject before

teaching/ writing the subject.

> 6. is not a part of verses written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of

editor who rightly felt that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have

failed to pick up this point,

> Did you check in which chand these verses are, type of Sanskrit used therein.

Age of Sanskrit if constructed is post parasar or preparshar. If you are expert

in both these areas your observations may carry weight, not otherwise. Failing

on my part does not arise for I have not learnt above but have idea of secret

behind these limited verses on AD .They are linked to Navamsa- lords. What I am

unsure is their correct calculation pattern hece my respose and query Was made.

> 7. . This scheme has already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

> Once upon a time I installed This Software and found clumsy. Before I could

work out and check My hard disc collapsed,

> Many SW has KCD scheme implemented, I am not sure None appears to have same

calculations.

> Please understand I do not enter into controversies. Look what K.N.Rao has

Said.

> http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=274

> there are many astro-viruses circulating who do not discuss technically and

academically but attack each other gracelessly showing their ***********

> Hope You do not fulfill such a disrespectable definition.

> Plaese forgive me if my this mail contents do evoke unpleasant emotions.

> With respects to all participants to this thread.

> RC

> ***********summary of correspondance ************ ***8

> To All :

>

> See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

>

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

>

> -VJ

> 6-3-2010

> Dear VJ,

> Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it . Please educate how

you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa once native has

reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing

results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is very important.

> With regards.

> RCS

> • To RCS :

>

> The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those very topics

which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence " .

>

> It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has already

been described with example. Those who know how to deduce Vimshottari AD or PD

will find no difficulty in understanding my comments. Some modern astrologers

are spreading confusion about Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and

vice versa) which is seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

>

> I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD

> NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

>

> Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? The

> very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has a

> separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

> about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. Since BPHS

> has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and

> PrD as well. Their method of computation has been explained in my article

which

> you have not read properly.

>

> -VJ

> • Dear Vinay,

>

> I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not mention

antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even

the existence of AD in KCD ? "

>

> Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called alachakraantardasha

aphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure you will find the results of

KCD antardasha phalas there. So RC ji is right. Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> • Mr Chandrashekhar,

>

> Without reading my article in which I described the method of working out MD,

AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of making sequences,

RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

>

> RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa once

native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I replied : " The very

purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the point and

intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article properly.

>

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " . The

title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses written by

Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt that the topic was

on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up this point, but you helped

him out.

>

> Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I provided

the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the original scheme of

Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice, including you and RCS. This

scheme has already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

>

> -VJ

> • Dear Vinay_jee,

>

> The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently voiced your

disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general) do not read your

articles, do not try out your software, do not listen to the truth about how

astrology must be done or calculated. Now please understand that I am not

quoting you but paraphrasing based on the sense I get and I hope others who are

observing and experiencing you on internet might have made similar observations

> too.

> It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards one person

(you!).

>

> You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In other words

someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords between your work

and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am not telling you what you must

do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was just wondering why this is happening

or rather occurring to you! And you have never been abusive or unreasonable in

your expressions either!

> Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .! Best regards, Rohiniranjan

> • Rohiniranjan Ji,

>

> Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in

general) do not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

to the truth " ).

>

> You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making myself known.

Majority of my articles have been published by others, with my consent. None of

the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in editor boards, and none of

those editors do anything in my panchangas. I

> have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My consistent

refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a sign of " disappointment,

chagrin, frustration " for failing to get recognized. Recently I tore away (not

in anger) certificates of recognition awarded

> to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for Fame is

poison to me.

>

> I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long years,

because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet astrologers. But this

prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded minority from using what

I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the result

> of long years of tests.

>

> You know many things but one : the world will cease to function properly if

Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function properly.

>

> -VJ

> • I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I was basing

my statements on what I had been observing based on what you were writing

publicle and privately through internet.

>

> Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I wrote,

therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your many wonderful,

and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your academic achievements,

panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite a few times., etc.

>

> As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world †"

we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of this

world which is already suffering and probably as we move towards the date which

many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012) , we will be facing increasing

challenges and warnings against the well-being of the earth and its dwellers.

One worry less is one sigh of relief gained, I suppose.

> Rohiniranjan

> Baby-boomer

> • <<<

> As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world --

we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of this

world which is already suffering.>> >

>

> It is not what I said. My words were " the world will cease to function

properly if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. "

>

> Any revolutionary change in fundamental beliefs results in temporary upheavals

and obstacles in proper functioning. This is what I meant.

>

> Besides, I have no power to remove materialism from the minds of those who

believe physical planets are deities and therefore any alternative software must

not be tested. Men cannot be changed unless they are ready to change themselves.

Persons with strong Saturn are more difficult to change, perhaps due to slow

motion of Saturn. But if Saturn is exalted, it results in positive change in the

long run, after initial pitfalls.

>

> You are wrongly thanking me for preservation of this world. I decided in 1971

not to become a baby-boomer, while you have added this adjective to your name in

this message ( " Rohiniranjan Baby-boomer " ). After a century ot two, no one will

remember me, but you will be remembered, at least by your babies & c. It is for

the benefit of babies of persons like you that I worked so hard. If my work is

wasted and destroyed and forgotten, it will not harm me in any respect.

>

> The only difference you have with me is due to the fact that I found, much

later in my life, that physical astronomy gives worse astrological results than

Suryasiddhanta. Before this finding, I had equal or perhaps more faith in the

astrological validity of physical planetary motions. Had I retained my earlier

opinion, you would have found no difference.

>

> You sincerely used words like " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for me.

But such traits are results of expectations. I had no expectation. Hence, there

was no question of disappointment. The whole world is taught physical astronomy,

formally as well as informally. Even many of

> those who have to study Suryasiddhanta do not comprehend it properly.

> Hence, a software based on a misunderstood text could not become popular.

Moreover, I am using outdated Visual Basic version which is not allowing many

users to install Kundalee on their machines. You also know these issues well.

Then, why you guessed I am " disappointed " ? I knew the outcome beforehand, and

that is why I refrained from launching Kundalee on web for years ; Kundalee is

still not fit for web (it contains outdated DLL files).

>

> You have question thrice why I am treated so. Here is the answer :

> Presently, the planets of MD, AD and PD in my horoscope have bitter enmical

aspects on 10th house. In my birthchart too, I have lord of 11th Sun sitting in

4th (house of Suhrid), which makes my " friends " often unfriendly towards me.

Hence, I must not get recognition or honour for

> my work. Due to my way of life, bonds of horoscope are not hard on me, and I

get recognition wherever I go. But I try to keep away from honours & c because I

know if I stick to this World I will have to pay a heavy price by being engulfed

by it in the form of next birth/births.

>

> I have no grudge against you. I can even tolerate abuses from those who have

contributed something worthwhile to others. I do not mean you have ever abused

anyone, including me, I only mean that you have really contributed something

good to society at large, and that is your real worth to me. It does not matter

to me what is your opinion about me or about my work. Not even 1% on my work is

on internet, hence you do not know my work. Bulk of my written works are not in

astrology but in comparative linguistics of Indo-European languages (mainly

concerning the dating of Rgveda through linguistic means), which I never

published in book form but gave parts of it in lectures and some articles and

emails only. Sincerely,

> -VJ

> • Thank you very much Vinay_jee for opening your heart on this forum where I

know you are indeed respected and where the moderator has publicly assured you

several times that you will always be listened too, and from my lowly ant's

perspective you have been! I use the metaphor of 'ant' from time to time, not to

portray veiled arrogance or sham-humility but to me, ants represent the

'grihasta' and worldly reality of the very same DIVINITY that also produces

> monks and sadhus and sages and awatars! The same MA and BABA who create all

this

> magic and whose BABIES we all are: Grihasta and Brahmachari!

>

> It is for the BABIES of those CELESTIAL PARENTS that we all must work towards

& that includes the grihasta and the brahmachari and the rest of the fauna and

flora! I KNOW that the YUGAS will bring pralayas and we all shall return to

where we started and ACTUALLY never left!

>

> That is what to me personally has always meant SATURN's message and SATURN'S

BLESSINGS! STAMBHAN (of any planet) perhaps in transit or even in natal

represents SATURN, while atichara represents some other astrological- factor...

!

>

> Saturn is that KHOONTI (hindi Khoonti and not bangla khoonti!) to which the

goat (astrological reality starting with aries/mesha) is tied to with the

illusive rope of free-will, as Thakur Paramahansa' s allegory reminds us.

>

> I have always wondered as to why RamKrishna used the goat as the animal in the

metaphor! Goats are known to have an innate GIFT for chewing incessantly! What

if they decide to chew on the rope that tie them fatalistically to SATURN?

Emancipation can come to GOATS too, can it not?

>

> I hope the GOATs are listening? I mean CHEWING!! Regards, Rohiniranjan

> • [Rohini Da,

>

> Grihasthas are not ants. All other ashramas depend on them. While sanyaasis,

fed by grihasthas, look after moksha, Dharma in this world is maintained by

Grihasthas. Unfortunately, most of the grihasthas in kaliyuga have become

grihastas (grih-asta : combust in the home).

> -VJ

> • Vinay_jee,

>

> As far as combustion is concerned, often touched upon earlier -- a new

question since the earliers remained unanswered:

> Does the Sun becomes combust when each evening he goes ASTA in the west?

> I had heard another version too!

>

> Griha -- Sthaa

>

> When the griha comes to stay (comes back HOME) griha-sthaa!

>

> SATURN again! Chores and hard repetitive work, day in and day out! Like the

lowly ants (grihasthas! ) need to finish before they get access to their

computers ;-)

>

> Count your blessings... !

>

> Rohiniranjan

> • Sir,

> The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate Kalachakra dasa

needs to be complemented. AS most of us show eagerness to apply mostly the Chara

Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD application seems to work better in some

cases(b4 and after war times) found to be more precise.Few people actually

make effort to apply KCD and in this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

> His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was made

after thorough study of classsiclas, though it is mainly oriented towards surya

siddhantic principles.Unfortun ately my efforts to load and use on window Vista

never gave me the personal satisfaction to understand the efficacy of

software.Some of our JT members,however endorsed compliments.

> The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be be taken

with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to take with

grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop astrology in the present

times shall definetely help those worried about apocalypse relating to 21st Dec.

> and remove all doubts that the order of the Nature is very much stable and

nothing to apprehend catastophy. The recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and

impending tectonic movements it is evident the world is under transformation.

(but disintegration? )This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned money

does not also seems to be secure. Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed

by Saturn in Virgo,with exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly

getting brow beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble

though he is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's

Stabhisha. The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and encouraging

members from time to time.The benifit out of these crtical discussions Iam sure

members will take them in right earnes and laud all those with penchant to do

write some thing

> different from routine and explore all the past base and make the knowledge

reachable to common man.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> • Krishnan Ji,

>

> I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote place

and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking too much time.

>

> Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love since I

was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago when I got

irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

> Suryasiddhanta.

>

> The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first khanda-kalpa

of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the worst is over and we

are heading towards better days. World population will decrease henceforth and

Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

> Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi of

Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east Europe (Rome,

Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi. This Drikpakshiya

theory has not fully survived.

> • I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a

chord!

>

> So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan and

their political situations and economies etc...) that are going to progress or

will the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may be born in Japan or

Iraq, in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps insects shall rule the universe,

yet again!!

>

> Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime -- several

perhaps because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

>

> What do you think?

>

> Rohiniranjan

> • Human beings will fare according to theor own individual karmas, while

countries will fare according to fixed laws of mundane jyotisha. During my

school days, I wondered why most of the rich persons are born in rich countries

!

>

> It is only the beginning of Kaliyuga. Only 5110 years have elapsed. 426890

years are yet to come, during which there will be nine more socalled Doomsdays.

-VJ

> • Dear Vinay_jee,

>

> Yes humanity still has a fair amount of time! Even by Sri Yukteshwar Giri's

reckoning which baffles many -- as does the ayanamsha that 'astronomical books'

were following, as also the 54 " annual rate of progression that he shared with

us all in The Holy Science -- primarily written for a specific purpose in 1894

> -- as clearly stated by Yogananda's Gurujee.

>

> In fact, even if we all who are chattering away wisely here and elsewhere were

to be suddenly decimated into our 'elements' C, N, O, S and a bunch of other

pieces that belong to the periodic table, would that put CREATION to an end? Or

CREATIVITY.. .?

>

> Sometimes the Puppeteer (whose performance it really is -- and not of the

puppet!) is so skilled, like some parents are -- that the puppet really carries

the show, and never manages to figure out who was pulling the strings and who

was really in control!

>

> Either way, the PARENT/PUPPETEER wins because after all whose show it is,

after

> all?

>

> Rohiniranjan

> • Dear Sir,

> It is only micro organisms that will have a longer life over arthropods or

> milli/centipeds. The fast changing climate and emissions make humans with

shields looking like scietific Avatasrs.

> Insects,I mean UFO's ruling of course a scientific version.Like Man with a

Calti Ka Naam gadi is also Chatushpada. The over take or scientific explosion

put man behind .so the waning of the homosapiens is the question of time,say

distant end of Kaliyuga.

> Having to be a japanee or Iraquee in the next birth will be a major wish,as in

India it is develop..... . " ing "

> other nations like Korea(except congo) including Iraq,japan and the lattest

Afganisthan are having less of history and Nations in making will no doubt

emerge further will have a major say in Global matters.

> China and Congo may still be there what the histories of these countries

convey.Of course not even century hold has hopes but yet in baking stage.The

cake before it is made is target for many to cut and celebrate.yet the land of

Ganga,Jamna may boast of very 5th and 9th house.But drikdrishti theory may

further fail these hopes.

> Exception seems to be the Vikruti Nanam samvatsaram where orderliness is

predicted for this nation to progress and bring reforms.Not Certainly women's

Reservation Bill nor the debated Nuclear bill of the past.

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> • Krishnan dada,

>

> Please tell us more about the *drikdrishti* theory you mentioned about towards

the end of your message (quoted below).

>

> Very early on in my pursuance of astrology, SAMBANDHA in the horoscope became

a

> crucial point of attention for me and that is where SYNTHESIS became such an

important point-of-focus. Drishti (when eyes meet) is very synthetic, of course.

>

> Rohiniranjan

> • sir,

> As all of us Surya Siddhanta has a unque system oc classificcation. like India

Meru .........Dakshna dhk bhage....... ...etc.For mundane purpose this is

> followed by some jyotishis.

> 2.Basically in Munadane Astrology,others more or less of the Parasara the

location /situation of regions ,countries was thought to be based on drik

pakshiya drishti.(Disa. /direction) .

> This resulted in cluster and was lacking clarity to find the correctness of

astrological progress vis a vis their destiny/fate/ .So this too has become

debatable.

> 3..Also people hold the view the independence/ liberation day chart too are

not meaningful.

> The analysis for mundane purpose as of now based on conventional model has

been revised.Now based the disatnce from equator,and georphical data,a chkra has

been

> drwan and it's traditional as well as scientific importance is yet to be

estblishes

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(Dear Sir ji; Pt. Chandra Munni Pathak

has an interesting

> note in his commentary on

>

> lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as

such in Romanised Hindi;

>

> " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se

> sambhandhit

>

> nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi

>

> prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu

kaun

>

> kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi,

>

> isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai " .

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

> • Dear Vinay,

>

> I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on lists.

Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read out what you

wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are mentioned in BPHS

and gave you the page number since you specifically said that BPHS does not have

them.

>

> You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of antardasha

by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any verses that can lead

the editors to it. You may like to read the verse at page 380 of the same

edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- " is written and the mention of

antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

>

> Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what he is

saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought to be brought in

about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme. But then I see you

have given something called Karka mahadasha of KCD'S Antardasha order as

4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

>

> Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced likewise

according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have Karka AD as the

first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka : 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

>

> May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha order

begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and

9, that is it begins with Karka? If it follows the order given by you , how does

it fit in with the manner Parashara told to look at the Antardasha in

Vimshottari scheme? Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> • Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I wrote

>

> <<<

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " . The

title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses written by

Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt that the topic was

on AD.

> >>>

>

> I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor rightly felt

that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word " rightly " and tried to distort

my statement.

>

> Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of " editor " . Pt

Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba edition by Pt

Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why

you assume all editors are unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too

enthusiastic at many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

" Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled as

> AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and PrD. In a

previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there must be lower periods.

In the chapter " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly

labeled as

> " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all twelve

raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I take it for

nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs for raashis of

PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been so, the text would have

mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the beginning of this chapter.

>

> My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before discussing.

I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly "

guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my message because you brought my

statements out of context and changed

> some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used when you want

to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not one's aim.

>

> Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology) between

other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread, I had some

correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private email ID (I had

complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He clarified that JHORA has

many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and

PVR's own method is given under the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this

correspondence, I copied parts of my message to him and posted it at my own

website. Then, I informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to

start any

> discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part of my

message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an elucidation of that

case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in vedic astrology (about which he

has very heated differences with his Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong

sequence of second pada of Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I

supported. BPHS gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was

missing in

> BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should be

reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery. Since the

discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave an example of

Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD. Karka

navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there will be twelve types

of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage to

> clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to write

articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary of all important

aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the basic scheme was outlined in

it, and the sole purpose of this article was to prove the validity of A-2

sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 : 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against

Pt Sanjay Rath and against Sri Jyoti Star. -VJ

> • Dear Sir,

> 1Since nakshtra r basically savya(15) and apasavya(12) based and also on DEHA

and Jeeva accordingly some ambiguity is KCD is there.Further nakshtra pada also

decides commencement of Dasa .For ex bharani 4th,the order is as mentioned by

Shri Chandrsekhar Ji.where as antar dasa also floows same order working out

paramyu as 86yrs.

> 2.Parasara certainly has also taken dasa visleshan based Kalchakradasa. But

some how the working out of dasa of KCD has three methods as explained by BVR in

his book.

> It appears,some problem in interpretation lead to differences. Like wise

application of KCD for anlysis also there were different views.Some opine if

venus is strong in natal chart or based on Moon if strong etc.

> In KCD dasaa basically proceed by three distinct steps.1.Mandooka2. Markata

and 3.Simhavalokana, keeping basically svaya and apasavya clasification of

Nakshtras. 3.//4,5,3,2, 1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka?//As per

KCD scheme this is Correct.

> 4. //But then I see you have given something called...//There seems to be

typographical mistake.

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling 7 March 2010

> • I have explained the main problem of KCD in

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa -VJ

> • Vinayji,

>

> I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason I

usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

>

> I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no need to do

so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing quotes to you. That

you choose to change your stand from mail to mail makes it difficult to continue

this argument. But for the record in the mail to RC you also said

> " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ?

The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has

a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. "

>

> So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I give you

shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want to go off on a

tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on your stand and say " I

still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly "

guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what is meant by MeshaaMshe svaantare

bhaume... " if the word antar is not mentioning antardasha, what does is it

mentioning and where is the guess work on part of Sitaram Jha?

>

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should follow

Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara

says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari. " Why not give the

shloka and chapter number and verse number to support your argument? That would

support what you are saying.

>

> I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any relevance

here.

>

> You have still not answered my original question of variation of antardasha

order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with different order, that

I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order of antardasha given by you

matches and also indicate why it would not match the Karka Mahadasha order for

the nakshatra given and also what Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle

follows the order that you suggest where with antardasha following the same

> order would be " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all

of us to learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

saying?

>

> I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that they are

quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting what you say and they

do not read your article does not prove your point at all. I do not create any

sort of astro software so I do not have any reason to distort anyone's

statements. Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> • Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> You wrote : <<<

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should follow

Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari. " Why

not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support your

argument? That would support what you are saying. >>>

>

> You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which says :

" Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88 in the chapter

Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

>

> Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various editions of

BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including this, I had started some

discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and available

manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up this

plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt Devachandra

Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is therefore most authentic,

although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in the

edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-) famous for

inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit has rewritten many

verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a loss to identify that

pandit/pandits.

>

> I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available sources.

Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is collection of

various variants of BPHS.

>

> I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but merely

copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written any

comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I did not give

my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not explain his own ; he

simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of 1930 and he does not know

the source of that book. Either PVR has not read Phaladeepikaa or does not

respect it and values a dubious Telugu book more than traditionally respected

texts. If you have not read Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to

be in harmony with BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as

KCD AD is concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

>

> Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of PVR

against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's sequence to be

in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in knowing the sequences of

KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are free to find additional sins in

me.

>

> You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has ever tried to

distort my statements. Now I believe you are not deliberately distorting my

statements. The fault lies in your belief in certain edition and ignorance of

other editions of BPHS. It is not my fault for which you are accusing me of

falsehood and dishonesty. As for RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study

properly, because he was citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

> All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

> -VJ

> ============ ==== ===

> • Dear Krishnan,

>

> I think there is more confusion about Kalchakra dasha than any other dasha

simply because though it is called as one of the important dashas, people tend

to find more than what is there in it. You are right there are basically three

Gatis, but now it seems people are inventing more gatis or giving the old ones

new names. That is good to see in print but I doubt if it helps.

>

> People tend to argue more about what is right than taking pains to read that

which is clearly stated. The use of the dasha is simple if one understands it

right.

>

> As a matter of fact I began penning a book on it, and it is half complete but

since I am at present translating one of my own books under direction from

Mahamandaleshwar of a respected Akhada, that has taken a back seat.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> • <<<

> You are right there are basically three Gatis, but now it seems people are

inventing more gatis or giving the old ones new names.

> >>>

>

> This sentence is clearly against me, because I wrote that only the negative

Gatis are mentioned in BPHS and positive Gatis are not named. It is not my

invention, as Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma falsely charges.

> He says " I began penning a book on it (KCD) " but seems to be ignorant of the

fact that all three gatis mentined in BPHS are bad, but many people have good

phases in their lives too. Secondly, BPHS gives many sequences such as

1,2,3,.... which do not come under either of mandooki, markati or

simhaavalokana. Hence, there must be more than three gatis and any additional

gati must be benefic. Only malefic Durgatis are mentioned in PHS (as gatis).

>

> Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma claims to an expert on KCD but is ignorant of this

fact as well as of other facts. Recently he refused to accept that KCD's MD

should be deduced according to Vimshottari and asked me to show the verse. The

verse is " ...Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88 in

the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). "

> I never wrote any independent article of KCD. Recently, I saw a debate between

Mr Sanjay Rath and PVR Narasimha Rao. I found PVR to correct on one point. I

wrote something to PVR on that point, and pasted my answer on my website too. It

was not a comprehensive article on KCD not. On AD, I did give any detailed

analysis, but only some brief comments on the topic which PVR and Mr Rath were

discussing. I think there is no need of any new article on KCD because

Phaladeepikaa has elaborated it beautifully. Some astrologers are creating

unncessary controversies about KCD. Phaladeepikaa is based on BPHS and

Chandrashekhar Ji has not read some important editions of BPHS (cf.

" ...Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " ). -VJ

>

> , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinayji,

> >

> > You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the goal.

Was it not you who first said that there is no reference to Antardasha when I

had given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather Kheladilal edition? So now why the

sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha edition? Any way the shloka you are

quoting does not say that Kalachakra dasha should be deduced in accordance with

Vimshottari dashas. At least the shloka you quote does not say so.

> >

> > I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta

Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please do not assume that

everybody other than you is unaware of the different editions of BPHS in

existence.

> >

> > You are again referring to the other threads on which you have written,

whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was restricted to the

original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of KCD are not mentioned but

Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

> >

> > I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are now

attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your mail. It is

apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question and skirting it by

writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in

your support and then again say it is not complete. If that is so, why the

insistence that one should only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said

there.

> >

> > I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS, that

gives Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have brought up that

subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system, as indicated by

Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why and how Vakya differs

from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem to imply that you are the

only authority on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. That may

help jyotish fraternity more than this jumping from one text to other.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You wrote :

> >

> > <<<

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > >>>

> >

> > You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> > says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88

> > in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

> >

> > Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

> > convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> > editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> > this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> > and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> > available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> > No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

> > this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

> > Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> > therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> > chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> > satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> > Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

> > the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> > famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

> > has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a

> > loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

> >

> > I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

> > accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> > sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> > collection of various variants of BPHS.

> >

> > I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

> > merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written

> > any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

> > did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

> > explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of

> > 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

> > read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

> > book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> > Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

> > BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

> > concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

> > you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

> >

> > Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

> > PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

> > sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> > knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are

> > free to find additional sins in me.

> >

> > You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> > have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

> > ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> > deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief in

> > certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

> > fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As for

> > RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

> > citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

> >

> > All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ==== ===

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Vinayji,

> > >

> > > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason

> > I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> > >

> > > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

> > need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> > quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

> > makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in the

> > mail to RC you also said

> > > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

> > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

> > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

> > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

> > results are about MD. "

> > >

> > > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

> > give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want

> > to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

> > your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

> > Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

> > is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

> > mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the guess

> > work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> > >

> > > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > >

> > > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> > relevance here.

> > >

> > > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> > antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

> > different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order

> > of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

> > match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

> > Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

> > suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> > " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

> > learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> > saying?

> > >

> > > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that

> > they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> > what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your point

> > at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

> > reason to distort anyone's statements.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> > >

> > > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> > wrote

> > > :

> > >

> > > <<<

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > felt

> > > that the topic was on AD.

> > > >>>

> > >

> > > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> > " rightly "

> > > and tried to distort my statement.

> > >

> > > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> > " editor " .

> > > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> > > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> > > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > > " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

> > as

> > > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> > PrD.

> > > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> > deduced

> > > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> > > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> > > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

> > twelve

> > > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> > take it

> > > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

> > for

> > > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> > so,

> > > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > > beginning of this chapter.

> > >

> > > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> > > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > > message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> > > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> > when

> > > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> > one's

> > > aim.

> > >

> > > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

> > I

> > > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> > email

> > > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> > under

> > > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> > copied

> > > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> > > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

> > any

> > > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

> > of

> > > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> > > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

> > of

> > > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> > BPHS

> > > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing in

> > > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> > be

> > > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> > Since

> > > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave

> > an

> > > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> > > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> > will be

> > > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> > to

> > > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> > > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> > of

> > > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> > basic

> > > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

> > to

> > > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> > > 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> > and

> > > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ===== ====

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

> > on

> > > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> > read

> > > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

> > are

> > > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> > specifically

> > > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > > >

> > > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> > of

> > > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> > > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> > verse

> > > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> > bhaume---- "

> > > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> > > >

> > > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> > > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> > what

> > > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

> > to

> > > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> > scheme.

> > > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> > KCD'S

> > > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> > > >

> > > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> > deduced

> > > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> > have

> > > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

> > :

> > > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > > >

> > > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> > dasha

> > > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > > 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> > follows

> > > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> > Parashara

> > > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > > working

> > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

> > of

> > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > > >

> > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > > " Please

> > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > > dasa

> > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> > elucidation

> > > of

> > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > > article

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > > verses

> > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > > felt

> > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> > > up

> > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > >

> > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> > KCD.

> > > PVR

> > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > > which I

> > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> > > the

> > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > > notice,

> > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ==== ===

> > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > > BPHS

> > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > > sure

> > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > > >

> > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > -

> > > > > VJha

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To RCS :

> > > > >

> > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> > those

> > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> > you

> > > move

> > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> > > has

> > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

> > is

> > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > > Jeeva

> > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> > alone. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> > AD

> > > in

> > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> > right

> > > of

> > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> > > 37

> > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > > These

> > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

> > we

> > > may

> > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> > of

> > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> > read

> > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > > swami.rcs@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > > Sequence

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > > Stanza

> > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> > AD

> > > is

> > > > very important.

> > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > RCS

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To All :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Read my reply to message number 118825. Why this abusive message was repeated

thrice by Mt Pawan Maurya ??

 

-VJ

======================= ==

vedic astrology , " astro.talk " <astro.talk wrote:

>

> > // Many SW has KCD scheme implemented, I am not sure None appears to have

same calculations.

> > Please understand I do not enter into controversies. Look what K.N.Rao has

Said.

> > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=274

> there are many astro-viruses circulating who do not discuss technically and

academically but attack each other gracelessly showing their ***********

> Hope You do not fulfill such a disrespectable definition. //

>  

> RCS, do you know who he is, he takes lecture at Sampoorna Nand University,

BHU, KCD university etc etc….

>  

> Actually on internet all are frogs so everybody's world finishes to Sanjay

Rath, PVR, K N Rao, B V Raman.Internet and metro cities dont cover whole India,

go to many other cities who are remote to internet like Varanasi,

Patna,Gaya...You will get to know what Jyotish is...

>

> What link you are showing... K N Rao, He is astrologer??

>  

> Vinay Jha is son of 7 timer MP and one of the founder member of Communism in

India(Jyoti Basu was also one of them)

>  

> So, dont show all those things to him.

>

> Pawan Maurya

>

> > --- On Mon, 8/3/10, Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@>

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> > Monday, 8 March, 2010, 8:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear VJ,

> > Nameste.

> > I must have avoided writing this mail.

> > I do not post mails here but read only for getting insights in some serious

topics because, this list has some real scholars like you and few others.

> > Your posting that initiated thread on KCD had no previous reference to

background that you now have disclosed / proposed concerning debate between PVR

and Rath. For your information there is no debate but yes there is monologue on

part of PVR in response to one mail on KCD. Perhaps they have not met for years

together.

> > Any way your answer is arrogant to my questions but that's fine and displays

attitude you have learned, it is your choice.

> > Now let us see few statements you have made.

> > 1. The method of AD has already been described with example.

> > I revisited your webpage and found none, Please check if article is

published with some part missing.

> > 2. I am surprised with your statement " BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results

of AD alone "

> > . Late Santhanam has considered slokas of Seetaram jha reliable, He also

maintained that Version of Dev chand Jha was equally reliable, but for minor

variation in concepts although both the texts originally are reconstructed.

> > Various people have fancy about authencity of BPHS but Concepts of KCD are

not figment of imagination however interpretation of slokas or reconstruction

could be at variation.

> > I do not know why you have chosen to go in tangent instead of answering

simple question posed by me and later doubts raised to be cleared By Mr

Chandrasekhar.

> > Evidently you have not understood the questions that were asked, asking

question showed your postings are cared by people. The next possibility is you

know KCD like a pundit but does not know how it is derived and thus has evaded

answers like pundits do.

> > 3. The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong.

> > I am not a Sanskrit scholar, But I read first time KCD from version of

Ganesh Dutt Pathak around 27 years back along with description in Phaldeepika

and Jatak parijaat with commentary by Pt Gopesh kumar Oza. Having no jyotish

guru and being busy in government job as an executive I had little time to

devote and KCD was beyond correct grasp. Around 1990 TOA carried article from

Late Sri Santhanam and also Article BY Sh K.N.Rao With Some Viveki, That roused

my interest but I found Methods advocated by Them did not work. Then came Book

Of Dr B.V.Ramn. I shall not make any comments.

> > What I have quoted Is from English versions made available In name Of

Santhanam ( as Vol II has been not been completed by him before his demise

except for rough draft) and OF GC Sharma .About AD slokas There is a difference

of Two sloka . Mr Chandra shekhar has quoted reference from Reliable early

published BPHS ,but no one can force to change once opinion, Of what one likes

to hold right or wrong. You have your own theory and you are entitled to hold to

it.

> > 4. Their method of computation has been explained in my article which you

have not read properly.

> > I did not ask computation it is mentally calculable. My question was how you

work out AD?

> > Say in case of sub- periodization do you teach AD remain within the same

cycle for the dasa in KCD throughout. and its related issues.

> > 5. Without reading my article in which I described the method of working out

MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of making

sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > No comments needed. Teacher/ scribe have to be clear about subject before

teaching/ writing the subject.

> > 6. is not a part of verses written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of

editor who rightly felt that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have

failed to pick up this point,

> > Did you check in which chand these verses are, type of Sanskrit used

therein. Age of Sanskrit if constructed is post parasar or preparshar. If you

are expert in both these areas your observations may carry weight, not

otherwise. Failing on my part does not arise for I have not learnt above but

have idea of secret behind these limited verses on AD .They are linked to

Navamsa- lords. What I am unsure is their correct calculation pattern hece my

respose and query Was made.

> > 7. . This scheme has already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

> > Once upon a time I installed This Software and found clumsy. Before I could

work out and check My hard disc collapsed,

> > Many SW has KCD scheme implemented, I am not sure None appears to have same

calculations.

> > Please understand I do not enter into controversies. Look what K.N.Rao has

Said.

> > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=274

> > there are many astro-viruses circulating who do not discuss technically and

academically but attack each other gracelessly showing their ***********

> > Hope You do not fulfill such a disrespectable definition.

> > Plaese forgive me if my this mail contents do evoke unpleasant emotions.

> > With respects to all participants to this thread.

> > RC

> > ***********summary of correspondance ************ ***8

> > To All :

> >

> > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> >

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> >

> > -VJ

> > 6-3-2010

> > Dear VJ,

> > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it . Please educate how

you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa once native has

reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is very

important.

> > With regards.

> > RCS

> > • To RCS :

> >

> > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those very

topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move to next

Sequence " .

> >

> > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has already

been described with example. Those who know how to deduce Vimshottari AD or PD

will find no difficulty in understanding my comments. Some modern astrologers

are spreading confusion about Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and

vice versa) which is seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> >

> > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD

> > NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

> >

> > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ?

The

> > very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has

a

> > separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

> > about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. Since

BPHS

> > has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may assume the existence of AD, PD, SD

and

> > PrD as well. Their method of computation has been explained in my article

which

> > you have not read properly.

> >

> > -VJ

> > • Dear Vinay,

> >

> > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not mention

antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even

the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> >

> > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called alachakraantardasha

aphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure you will find the results of

KCD antardasha phalas there. So RC ji is right. Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> > • Mr Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Without reading my article in which I described the method of working out

MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of making

sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> >

> > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa once

native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I replied : " The very

purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the point and

intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article properly.

> >

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses written

by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt that the topic

was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up this point, but you

helped him out.

> >

> > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I provided

the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the original scheme of

Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice, including you and RCS. This

scheme has already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

> >

> > -VJ

> > • Dear Vinay_jee,

> >

> > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently voiced your

disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general) do not read your

articles, do not try out your software, do not listen to the truth about how

astrology must be done or calculated. Now please understand that I am not

quoting you but paraphrasing based on the sense I get and I hope others who are

observing and experiencing you on internet might have made similar observations

> > too.

> > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards one person

(you!).

> >

> > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In other words

someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords between your work

and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am not telling you what you must

do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was just wondering why this is happening

or rather occurring to you! And you have never been abusive or unreasonable in

your expressions either!

> > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .! Best regards, Rohiniranjan

> > • Rohiniranjan Ji,

> >

> > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in

general) do not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

to the truth " ).

> >

> > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making myself

known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with my consent.

None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in editor boards, and

none of those editors do anything in my panchangas. I

> > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a sign of

" disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get recognized. Recently I

tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition awarded

> > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for Fame is

poison to me.

> >

> > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long years,

because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet astrologers. But this

prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded minority from using what

I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the result

> > of long years of tests.

> >

> > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function properly if

Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function properly.

> >

> > -VJ

> > • I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I was

basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you were writing

publicle and privately through internet.

> >

> > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I

wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your many

wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your academic

achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite a few times.,

etc.

> >

> > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world

†" we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of

this world which is already suffering and probably as we move towards the date

which many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012) , we will be facing increasing

challenges and warnings against the well-being of the earth and its dwellers.

One worry less is one sigh of relief gained, I suppose.

> > Rohiniranjan

> > Baby-boomer

> > • <<<

> > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world --

we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of this

world which is already suffering.>> >

> >

> > It is not what I said. My words were " the world will cease to function

properly if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. "

> >

> > Any revolutionary change in fundamental beliefs results in temporary

upheavals and obstacles in proper functioning. This is what I meant.

> >

> > Besides, I have no power to remove materialism from the minds of those who

believe physical planets are deities and therefore any alternative software must

not be tested. Men cannot be changed unless they are ready to change themselves.

Persons with strong Saturn are more difficult to change, perhaps due to slow

motion of Saturn. But if Saturn is exalted, it results in positive change in the

long run, after initial pitfalls.

> >

> > You are wrongly thanking me for preservation of this world. I decided in

1971 not to become a baby-boomer, while you have added this adjective to your

name in this message ( " Rohiniranjan Baby-boomer " ). After a century ot two, no

one will remember me, but you will be remembered, at least by your babies & c. It

is for the benefit of babies of persons like you that I worked so hard. If my

work is wasted and destroyed and forgotten, it will not harm me in any respect.

> >

> > The only difference you have with me is due to the fact that I found, much

later in my life, that physical astronomy gives worse astrological results than

Suryasiddhanta. Before this finding, I had equal or perhaps more faith in the

astrological validity of physical planetary motions. Had I retained my earlier

opinion, you would have found no difference.

> >

> > You sincerely used words like " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for me.

But such traits are results of expectations. I had no expectation. Hence, there

was no question of disappointment. The whole world is taught physical astronomy,

formally as well as informally. Even many of

> > those who have to study Suryasiddhanta do not comprehend it properly.

> > Hence, a software based on a misunderstood text could not become popular.

Moreover, I am using outdated Visual Basic version which is not allowing many

users to install Kundalee on their machines. You also know these issues well.

Then, why you guessed I am " disappointed " ? I knew the outcome beforehand, and

that is why I refrained from launching Kundalee on web for years ; Kundalee is

still not fit for web (it contains outdated DLL files).

> >

> > You have question thrice why I am treated so. Here is the answer :

> > Presently, the planets of MD, AD and PD in my horoscope have bitter enmical

aspects on 10th house. In my birthchart too, I have lord of 11th Sun sitting in

4th (house of Suhrid), which makes my " friends " often unfriendly towards me.

Hence, I must not get recognition or honour for

> > my work. Due to my way of life, bonds of horoscope are not hard on me, and I

get recognition wherever I go. But I try to keep away from honours & c because I

know if I stick to this World I will have to pay a heavy price by being engulfed

by it in the form of next birth/births.

> >

> > I have no grudge against you. I can even tolerate abuses from those who have

contributed something worthwhile to others. I do not mean you have ever abused

anyone, including me, I only mean that you have really contributed something

good to society at large, and that is your real worth to me. It does not matter

to me what is your opinion about me or about my work. Not even 1% on my work is

on internet, hence you do not know my work. Bulk of my written works are not in

astrology but in comparative linguistics of Indo-European languages (mainly

concerning the dating of Rgveda through linguistic means), which I never

published in book form but gave parts of it in lectures and some articles and

emails only. Sincerely,

> > -VJ

> > • Thank you very much Vinay_jee for opening your heart on this forum where

I know you are indeed respected and where the moderator has publicly assured you

several times that you will always be listened too, and from my lowly ant's

perspective you have been! I use the metaphor of 'ant' from time to time, not to

portray veiled arrogance or sham-humility but to me, ants represent the

'grihasta' and worldly reality of the very same DIVINITY that also produces

> > monks and sadhus and sages and awatars! The same MA and BABA who create all

this

> > magic and whose BABIES we all are: Grihasta and Brahmachari!

> >

> > It is for the BABIES of those CELESTIAL PARENTS that we all must work

towards & that includes the grihasta and the brahmachari and the rest of the

fauna and flora! I KNOW that the YUGAS will bring pralayas and we all shall

return to where we started and ACTUALLY never left!

> >

> > That is what to me personally has always meant SATURN's message and SATURN'S

BLESSINGS! STAMBHAN (of any planet) perhaps in transit or even in natal

represents SATURN, while atichara represents some other astrological- factor...

!

> >

> > Saturn is that KHOONTI (hindi Khoonti and not bangla khoonti!) to which the

goat (astrological reality starting with aries/mesha) is tied to with the

illusive rope of free-will, as Thakur Paramahansa' s allegory reminds us.

> >

> > I have always wondered as to why RamKrishna used the goat as the animal in

the metaphor! Goats are known to have an innate GIFT for chewing incessantly!

What if they decide to chew on the rope that tie them fatalistically to SATURN?

Emancipation can come to GOATS too, can it not?

> >

> > I hope the GOATs are listening? I mean CHEWING!! Regards, Rohiniranjan

> > • [Rohini Da,

> >

> > Grihasthas are not ants. All other ashramas depend on them. While sanyaasis,

fed by grihasthas, look after moksha, Dharma in this world is maintained by

Grihasthas. Unfortunately, most of the grihasthas in kaliyuga have become

grihastas (grih-asta : combust in the home).

> > -VJ

> > • Vinay_jee,

> >

> > As far as combustion is concerned, often touched upon earlier -- a new

question since the earliers remained unanswered:

> > Does the Sun becomes combust when each evening he goes ASTA in the west?

> > I had heard another version too!

> >

> > Griha -- Sthaa

> >

> > When the griha comes to stay (comes back HOME) griha-sthaa!

> >

> > SATURN again! Chores and hard repetitive work, day in and day out! Like the

lowly ants (grihasthas! ) need to finish before they get access to their

computers ;-)

> >

> > Count your blessings... !

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > • Sir,

> > The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate Kalachakra dasa

needs to be complemented. AS most of us show eagerness to apply mostly the Chara

Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD application seems to work better in some

cases(b4 and after war times) found to be more precise.Few people actually

make effort to apply KCD and in this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

> > His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was made

after thorough study of classsiclas, though it is mainly oriented towards surya

siddhantic principles.Unfortun ately my efforts to load and use on window Vista

never gave me the personal satisfaction to understand the efficacy of

software.Some of our JT members,however endorsed compliments.

> > The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be be

taken with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to take with

grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop astrology in the present

times shall definetely help those worried about apocalypse relating to 21st Dec.

> > and remove all doubts that the order of the Nature is very much stable and

nothing to apprehend catastophy. The recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and

impending tectonic movements it is evident the world is under transformation.

(but disintegration? )This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned money

does not also seems to be secure. Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed

by Saturn in Virgo,with exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly

getting brow beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble

though he is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's

Stabhisha. The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and encouraging

members from time to time.The benifit out of these crtical discussions Iam sure

members will take them in right earnes and laud all those with penchant to do

write some thing

> > different from routine and explore all the past base and make the knowledge

reachable to common man.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > • Krishnan Ji,

> >

> > I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote place

and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking too much time.

> >

> > Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love since

I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago when I got

irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

> > Suryasiddhanta.

> >

> > The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the worst

is over and we are heading towards better days. World population will decrease

henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

> > Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi of

Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east Europe (Rome,

Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi. This Drikpakshiya

theory has not fully survived.

> > • I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a

chord!

> >

> > So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan and

their political situations and economies etc...) that are going to progress or

will the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may be born in Japan or

Iraq, in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps insects shall rule the universe,

yet again!!

> >

> > Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime -- several

perhaps because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > • Human beings will fare according to theor own individual karmas, while

countries will fare according to fixed laws of mundane jyotisha. During my

school days, I wondered why most of the rich persons are born in rich countries

!

> >

> > It is only the beginning of Kaliyuga. Only 5110 years have elapsed. 426890

years are yet to come, during which there will be nine more socalled Doomsdays.

-VJ

> > • Dear Vinay_jee,

> >

> > Yes humanity still has a fair amount of time! Even by Sri Yukteshwar Giri's

reckoning which baffles many -- as does the ayanamsha that 'astronomical books'

were following, as also the 54 " annual rate of progression that he shared with

us all in The Holy Science -- primarily written for a specific purpose in 1894

> > -- as clearly stated by Yogananda's Gurujee.

> >

> > In fact, even if we all who are chattering away wisely here and elsewhere

were to be suddenly decimated into our 'elements' C, N, O, S and a bunch of

other pieces that belong to the periodic table, would that put CREATION to an

end? Or CREATIVITY.. .?

> >

> > Sometimes the Puppeteer (whose performance it really is -- and not of the

puppet!) is so skilled, like some parents are -- that the puppet really carries

the show, and never manages to figure out who was pulling the strings and who

was really in control!

> >

> > Either way, the PARENT/PUPPETEER wins because after all whose show it is,

after

> > all?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > • Dear Sir,

> > It is only micro organisms that will have a longer life over arthropods or

> > milli/centipeds. The fast changing climate and emissions make humans with

shields looking like scietific Avatasrs.

> > Insects,I mean UFO's ruling of course a scientific version.Like Man with a

Calti Ka Naam gadi is also Chatushpada. The over take or scientific explosion

put man behind .so the waning of the homosapiens is the question of time,say

distant end of Kaliyuga.

> > Having to be a japanee or Iraquee in the next birth will be a major wish,as

in India it is develop..... . " ing "

> > other nations like Korea(except congo) including Iraq,japan and the lattest

Afganisthan are having less of history and Nations in making will no doubt

emerge further will have a major say in Global matters.

> > China and Congo may still be there what the histories of these countries

convey.Of course not even century hold has hopes but yet in baking stage.The

cake before it is made is target for many to cut and celebrate.yet the land of

Ganga,Jamna may boast of very 5th and 9th house.But drikdrishti theory may

further fail these hopes.

> > Exception seems to be the Vikruti Nanam samvatsaram where orderliness is

predicted for this nation to progress and bring reforms.Not Certainly women's

Reservation Bill nor the debated Nuclear bill of the past.

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > • Krishnan dada,

> >

> > Please tell us more about the *drikdrishti* theory you mentioned about

towards the end of your message (quoted below).

> >

> > Very early on in my pursuance of astrology, SAMBANDHA in the horoscope

became a

> > crucial point of attention for me and that is where SYNTHESIS became such an

important point-of-focus. Drishti (when eyes meet) is very synthetic, of course.

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > • sir,

> > As all of us Surya Siddhanta has a unque system oc classificcation. like

India Meru .........Dakshna dhk bhage....... ...etc.For mundane purpose this is

> > followed by some jyotishis.

> > 2.Basically in Munadane Astrology,others more or less of the Parasara the

location /situation of regions ,countries was thought to be based on drik

pakshiya drishti.(Disa. /direction) .

> > This resulted in cluster and was lacking clarity to find the correctness of

astrological progress vis a vis their destiny/fate/ .So this too has become

debatable.

> > 3..Also people hold the view the independence/ liberation day chart too are

not meaningful.

> > The analysis for mundane purpose as of now based on conventional model has

been revised.Now based the disatnce from equator,and georphical data,a chkra has

been

> > drwan and it's traditional as well as scientific importance is yet to be

estblishes

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(Dear Sir ji; Pt. Chandra Munni Pathak

has an interesting

> > note in his commentary on

> >

> > lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it

as such in Romanised Hindi;

> >

> > " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se

> > sambhandhit

> >

> > nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi

bhi

> >

> > prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu

kaun

> >

> > kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi,

> >

> > isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai " .

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbir Bains

> > • Dear Vinay,

> >

> > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on lists.

Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read out what you

wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are mentioned in BPHS

and gave you the page number since you specifically said that BPHS does not have

them.

> >

> > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of

antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any verses that

can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the verse at page 380 of the

same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- " is written and the mention

of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> >

> > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what he is

saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought to be brought in

about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme. But then I see you

have given something called Karka mahadasha of KCD'S Antardasha order as

4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> >

> > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced

likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have Karka AD

as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka : 4,5,3,10,11,

12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> >

> > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha order

begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and

9, that is it begins with Karka? If it follows the order given by you , how does

it fit in with the manner Parashara told to look at the Antardasha in

Vimshottari scheme? Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> > • Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I wrote

> >

> > <<<

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses written

by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt that the topic

was on AD.

> > >>>

> >

> > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor rightly

felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word " rightly " and tried to

distort my statement.

> >

> > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of " editor " . Pt

Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba edition by Pt

Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why

you assume all editors are unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too

enthusiastic at many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

" Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled as

> > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and PrD. In a

previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there must be lower periods.

In the chapter " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly

labeled as

> > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all twelve

raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I take it for

nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs for raashis of

PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been so, the text would have

mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the beginning of this chapter.

> >

> > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt Sitaram Jha

" rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my message because you

brought my statements out of context and changed

> > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used when you

want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not one's aim.

> >

> > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology) between

other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread, I had some

correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private email ID (I had

complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He clarified that JHORA has

many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and

PVR's own method is given under the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this

correspondence, I copied parts of my message to him and posted it at my own

website. Then, I informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to

start any

> > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part of my

message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an elucidation of that

case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in vedic astrology (about which he

has very heated differences with his Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong

sequence of second pada of Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I

supported. BPHS gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was

missing in

> > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should be

reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery. Since the

discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave an example of

Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD. Karka

navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there will be twelve types

of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage to

> > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to write

articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary of all important

aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the basic scheme was outlined in

it, and the sole purpose of this article was to prove the validity of A-2

sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 : 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against

Pt Sanjay Rath and against Sri Jyoti Star. -VJ

> > • Dear Sir,

> > 1Since nakshtra r basically savya(15) and apasavya(12) based and also on

DEHA and Jeeva accordingly some ambiguity is KCD is there.Further nakshtra pada

also decides commencement of Dasa .For ex bharani 4th,the order is as mentioned

by Shri Chandrsekhar Ji.where as antar dasa also floows same order working out

paramyu as 86yrs.

> > 2.Parasara certainly has also taken dasa visleshan based Kalchakradasa. But

some how the working out of dasa of KCD has three methods as explained by BVR in

his book.

> > It appears,some problem in interpretation lead to differences. Like wise

application of KCD for anlysis also there were different views.Some opine if

venus is strong in natal chart or based on Moon if strong etc.

> > In KCD dasaa basically proceed by three distinct steps.1.Mandooka2. Markata

and 3.Simhavalokana, keeping basically svaya and apasavya clasification of

Nakshtras. 3.//4,5,3,2, 1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka?//As per

KCD scheme this is Correct.

> > 4. //But then I see you have given something called...//There seems to be

typographical mistake.

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling 7 March 2010

> > • I have explained the main problem of KCD in

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa -VJ

> > • Vinayji,

> >

> > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason I

usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> >

> > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no need to

do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing quotes to you. That

you choose to change your stand from mail to mail makes it difficult to continue

this argument. But for the record in the mail to RC you also said

> > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ?

The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has

a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. "

> >

> > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I give you

shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want to go off on a

tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on your stand and say " I

still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly "

guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what is meant by MeshaaMshe svaantare

bhaume... " if the word antar is not mentioning antardasha, what does is it

mentioning and where is the guess work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> >

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should follow

Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara

says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari. " Why not give the

shloka and chapter number and verse number to support your argument? That would

support what you are saying.

> >

> > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any relevance

here.

> >

> > You have still not answered my original question of variation of antardasha

order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with different order, that

I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order of antardasha given by you

matches and also indicate why it would not match the Karka Mahadasha order for

the nakshatra given and also what Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle

follows the order that you suggest where with antardasha following the same

> > order would be " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow

all of us to learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

saying?

> >

> > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that they

are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting what you say and

they do not read your article does not prove your point at all. I do not create

any sort of astro software so I do not have any reason to distort anyone's

statements. Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> > • Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> > You wrote : <<<

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should follow

Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari. "

Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support your

argument? That would support what you are saying. >>>

> >

> > You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which says :

" Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88 in the chapter

Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

> >

> > Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various editions of

BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including this, I had started some

discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> > and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and available

manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> > No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is therefore most

authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> > chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> > Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in the

edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-) famous for

inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit has rewritten many

verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a loss to identify that

pandit/pandits.

> >

> > I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available sources.

Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is collection of

various variants of BPHS.

> >

> > I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but merely

copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written any

comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I did not give

my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not explain his own ; he

simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of 1930 and he does not know

the source of that book. Either PVR has not read Phaladeepikaa or does not

respect it and values a dubious Telugu book more than traditionally respected

texts. If you have not read Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to

be in harmony with BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as

KCD AD is concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

> >

> > Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of PVR

against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's sequence to be

in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in knowing the sequences of

KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are free to find additional sins in

me.

> >

> > You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has ever tried to

distort my statements. Now I believe you are not deliberately distorting my

statements. The fault lies in your belief in certain edition and ignorance of

other editions of BPHS. It is not my fault for which you are accusing me of

falsehood and dishonesty. As for RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study

properly, because he was citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

> > All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

> > -VJ

> > ============ ==== ===

> > • Dear Krishnan,

> >

> > I think there is more confusion about Kalchakra dasha than any other dasha

simply because though it is called as one of the important dashas, people tend

to find more than what is there in it. You are right there are basically three

Gatis, but now it seems people are inventing more gatis or giving the old ones

new names. That is good to see in print but I doubt if it helps.

> >

> > People tend to argue more about what is right than taking pains to read that

which is clearly stated. The use of the dasha is simple if one understands it

right.

> >

> > As a matter of fact I began penning a book on it, and it is half complete

but since I am at present translating one of my own books under direction from

Mahamandaleshwar of a respected Akhada, that has taken a back seat.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > • <<<

> > You are right there are basically three Gatis, but now it seems people are

inventing more gatis or giving the old ones new names.

> > >>>

> >

> > This sentence is clearly against me, because I wrote that only the negative

Gatis are mentioned in BPHS and positive Gatis are not named. It is not my

invention, as Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma falsely charges.

> > He says " I began penning a book on it (KCD) " but seems to be ignorant of the

fact that all three gatis mentined in BPHS are bad, but many people have good

phases in their lives too. Secondly, BPHS gives many sequences such as

1,2,3,.... which do not come under either of mandooki, markati or

simhaavalokana. Hence, there must be more than three gatis and any additional

gati must be benefic. Only malefic Durgatis are mentioned in PHS (as gatis).

> >

> > Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma claims to an expert on KCD but is ignorant of this

fact as well as of other facts. Recently he refused to accept that KCD's MD

should be deduced according to Vimshottari and asked me to show the verse. The

verse is " ...Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88 in

the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). "

> > I never wrote any independent article of KCD. Recently, I saw a debate

between Mr Sanjay Rath and PVR Narasimha Rao. I found PVR to correct on one

point. I wrote something to PVR on that point, and pasted my answer on my

website too. It was not a comprehensive article on KCD not. On AD, I did give

any detailed analysis, but only some brief comments on the topic which PVR and

Mr Rath were discussing. I think there is no need of any new article on KCD

because Phaladeepikaa has elaborated it beautifully. Some astrologers are

creating unncessary controversies about KCD. Phaladeepikaa is based on BPHS and

Chandrashekhar Ji has not read some important editions of BPHS (cf.

" ...Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " ). -VJ

> >

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinayji,

> > >

> > > You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the goal.

Was it not you who first said that there is no reference to Antardasha when I

had given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather Kheladilal edition? So now why the

sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha edition? Any way the shloka you are

quoting does not say that Kalachakra dasha should be deduced in accordance with

Vimshottari dashas. At least the shloka you quote does not say so.

> > >

> > > I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta

Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please do not assume that

everybody other than you is unaware of the different editions of BPHS in

existence.

> > >

> > > You are again referring to the other threads on which you have written,

whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was restricted to the

original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of KCD are not mentioned but

Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

> > >

> > > I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are now

attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your mail. It is

apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question and skirting it by

writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in

your support and then again say it is not complete. If that is so, why the

insistence that one should only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said

there.

> > >

> > > I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS, that

gives Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have brought up that

subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system, as indicated by

Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why and how Vakya differs

from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem to imply that you are the

only authority on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. That may

help jyotish fraternity more than this jumping from one text to other.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> > >

> > > You wrote :

> > >

> > > <<<

> > > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> > > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> > > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > > >>>

> > >

> > > You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> > > says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88

> > > in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

> > >

> > > Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

> > > convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> > > editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> > > this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> > > and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> > > available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> > > No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

> > > this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

> > > Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> > > therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> > > chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> > > satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> > > Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

> > > the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> > > famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

> > > has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a

> > > loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

> > >

> > > I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

> > > accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> > > sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> > > collection of various variants of BPHS.

> > >

> > > I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

> > > merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written

> > > any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

> > > did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

> > > explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of

> > > 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

> > > read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

> > > book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> > > Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

> > > BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

> > > concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

> > > you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

> > >

> > > Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

> > > PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

> > > sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> > > knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are

> > > free to find additional sins in me.

> > >

> > > You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> > > have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

> > > ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> > > deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief in

> > > certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

> > > fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As for

> > > RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

> > > citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

> > >

> > > All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ==== ===

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Vinayji,

> > > >

> > > > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason

> > > I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> > > >

> > > > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

> > > need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> > > quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

> > > makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in the

> > > mail to RC you also said

> > > > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

> > > results are about MD. "

> > > >

> > > > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

> > > give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want

> > > to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

> > > your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

> > > Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

> > > is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

> > > mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the guess

> > > work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> > > >

> > > > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> > > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> > > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > > >

> > > > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> > > relevance here.

> > > >

> > > > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> > > antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

> > > different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order

> > > of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

> > > match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

> > > Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

> > > suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> > > " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

> > > learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> > > saying?

> > > >

> > > > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that

> > > they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> > > what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your point

> > > at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

> > > reason to distort anyone's statements.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> > > >

> > > > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> > > wrote

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > <<<

> > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > > verses

> > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > > felt

> > > > that the topic was on AD.

> > > > >>>

> > > >

> > > > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > > > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> > > " rightly "

> > > > and tried to distort my statement.

> > > >

> > > > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> > > " editor " .

> > > > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > > > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > > > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> > > > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> > > > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > > > " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

> > > as

> > > > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> > > PrD.

> > > > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> > > deduced

> > > > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> > > > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> > > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> > > > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > > > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

> > > twelve

> > > > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> > > take it

> > > > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

> > > for

> > > > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> > > so,

> > > > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > > > beginning of this chapter.

> > > >

> > > > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > > > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> > > > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > > > message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> > > > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> > > when

> > > > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> > > one's

> > > > aim.

> > > >

> > > > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > > > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

> > > I

> > > > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> > > email

> > > > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > > > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > > > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> > > under

> > > > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> > > copied

> > > > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> > > > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

> > > any

> > > > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

> > > of

> > > > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > > > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > > > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> > > > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

> > > of

> > > > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> > > BPHS

> > > > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing in

> > > > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> > > be

> > > > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> > > Since

> > > > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave

> > > an

> > > > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > > > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> > > > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> > > will be

> > > > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> > > to

> > > > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> > > > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> > > of

> > > > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> > > basic

> > > > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

> > > to

> > > > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> > > > 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> > > and

> > > > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ===== ====

> > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > >

> > > > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

> > > on

> > > > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> > > read

> > > > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

> > > are

> > > > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> > > specifically

> > > > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> > > of

> > > > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> > > > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> > > verse

> > > > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> > > bhaume---- "

> > > > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> > > > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> > > what

> > > > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

> > > to

> > > > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> > > scheme.

> > > > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> > > KCD'S

> > > > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> > > deduced

> > > > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> > > have

> > > > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

> > > :

> > > > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > > > >

> > > > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> > > dasha

> > > > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > > > 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> > > follows

> > > > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> > > Parashara

> > > > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > VJha

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > > > working

> > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

> > > of

> > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > > > >

> > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > > > " Please

> > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > > > dasa

> > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> > > elucidation

> > > > of

> > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > > > article

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > > > verses

> > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > > > felt

> > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> > > > up

> > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> > > KCD.

> > > > PVR

> > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > > > which I

> > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> > > > the

> > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > > > notice,

> > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ============ ==== ===

> > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > > > BPHS

> > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > > > sure

> > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > VJha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To RCS :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> > > those

> > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> > > you

> > > > move

> > > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> > > > has

> > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

> > > is

> > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > > > Jeeva

> > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> > > alone. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> > > AD

> > > > in

> > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> > > right

> > > > of

> > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> > > > 37

> > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > > > These

> > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

> > > we

> > > > may

> > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> > > of

> > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> > > read

> > > > > properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > > > swami.rcs@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > > > Sequence

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > > > Stanza

> > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> > > AD

> > > > is

> > > > > very important.

> > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > RCS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Mr Pawan,

 

The father of my body, whom I never called father after I was nearly 3 years

old, was six times member of Lok Sabha and not seven as you wrongly reported. He

was a senior communist leader (CPI, not CPM) but became a non-vegetarian and

took strong stand against communist parties on Ayodhya issue, Laloo Yadav's

rackets, etc, for which CPI cancelled his ticket and gave it to a close friend

of Laloo Yadav. After I grew up, I opposed his party but did not join any

political party because I became a recluse formally. I am alive not due to him,

but because my late mother was a doctor and brought me up, and because my late

Guru Ji who was my mother's Guru also taught me how to live and study properly.

 

I openly supported BJP in last parliamentary polls, and BJP won by a narrow

margin, thanks to my influence. I keep away from politics, but I was compelled

to make public statements in favour of BJP because the ertswhile RJD MP of

Darbhanga Mr Fatmi who was central minister of state (HRD) was destroying some

Gurukulas, temples, Sanskrit schools and colleges, etc in my area. You can

contact him and his mentor Mr Dawood Ibrahim who will help you a lot in your

campaign against me. I can also give youy a list of criminals whom I have sent

to jail. They and their friends will help you a lot.

 

You have only exposed your own character, not mine. I have no family at all,

hence I have no family secret. I publicly refused to participate in the funeral

rites of the father of my body because I was not a part of his family, not being

a grihastha. Yet, no one opposed my stand. I helped his youngest son in

performing his last rites. He was the among last freedom fighters in Indian

Parliament. Although I oppose his party, I salute him for being a freedom

fighter who was jailed six times before India's freedom, because I also salute

all freedom fighters. I also salute karl Marx for his sympathy for poor and

downtrodden, but I do not like his theory of history, his atheism and his

wayward college life.

 

The likes of you have no morals, no issues, etc. Go on abusing me.

 

-VJ

====================== ===

vedic astrology , " astro.talk " <astro.talk wrote:

>

> Sorry, Mr Jha just to open your some family secrets and also about your

scholarship...

>

> Sorry again...

>

> Pawan Maurya

>

> vedic astrology , Astro Talk <astro.talk@> wrote:

> >

> > // Many SW has KCD scheme implemented, I am not sure None appears to have

same calculations.

> > Please understand I do not enter into controversies. Look what K.N.Rao has

Said.

> > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=274

> > there are many astro-viruses circulating who do not discuss technically and

academically but attack each other gracelessly showing their ***********

> > Hope You do not fulfill such a disrespectable definition. //

> >  

> > RCS, do you know who he is, he takes lecture at Sampoorna Nand University,

BHU, KCD university etc etc….

> >  

> > Actually on internet all are frogs so everybody's world finishes to Sanjay

Rath, PVR, K N Rao, B V Raman.Internet and metro cities dont cover whole India,

go to many other cities who are remote to internet like Varanasi,

Patna,Gaya...You will get to know what Jyotish is...

> >  

> > What link you are showing... K N Rao, He is astrologer??

> >  

> > Vinay Jha is son of 7 timer MP and one of the founder member of Communism in

India(Jyoti Basu was also one of them)

> >  

> > So, dont show all those things to him.

> >  

> > Pawan Maurya

> >  

> > --- On Mon, 8/3/10, Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@>

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> > Monday, 8 March, 2010, 8:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear VJ,

> > Nameste.

> > I must have avoided writing this mail.

> > I do not post mails here but read only for getting insights in some serious

topics because, this list has some real scholars like you and few others.

> > Your posting that initiated thread on KCD had no previous reference to

background that you now have disclosed / proposed concerning debate between PVR

and Rath. For your information there is no debate but yes there is monologue on

part of PVR in response to one mail on KCD. Perhaps they have not met for years

together.

> > Any way your answer is arrogant to my questions but that's fine and displays

attitude you have learned, it is your choice.

> > Now let us see few statements you have made.

> > 1. The method of AD has already been described with example.

> > I revisited your webpage and found none, Please check if article is

published with some part missing.

> > 2. I am surprised with your statement " BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results

of AD alone "

> > . Late Santhanam has considered slokas of Seetaram jha reliable, He also

maintained that Version of Dev chand Jha was equally reliable, but for minor

variation in concepts although both the texts originally are reconstructed.

> > Various people have fancy about authencity of BPHS but Concepts of KCD are

not figment of imagination however interpretation of slokas or reconstruction

could be at variation.

> > I do not know why you have chosen to go in tangent instead of answering

simple question posed by me and later doubts raised to be cleared By Mr

Chandrasekhar.

> > Evidently you have not understood the questions that were asked, asking

question showed your postings are cared by people. The next possibility is you

know KCD like a pundit but does not know how it is derived and thus has evaded

answers like pundits do.

> > 3. The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong.

> > I am not a Sanskrit scholar, But I read first time KCD from version of

Ganesh Dutt Pathak around 27 years back along with description in Phaldeepika

and Jatak parijaat with commentary by Pt Gopesh kumar Oza. Having no jyotish

guru and being busy in government job as an executive I had little time to

devote and KCD was beyond correct grasp. Around 1990 TOA carried article from

Late Sri Santhanam and also Article BY Sh K.N.Rao With Some Viveki, That roused

my interest but I found Methods advocated by Them did not work. Then came Book

Of Dr B.V.Ramn. I shall not make any comments.

> > What I have quoted Is from English versions made available In name Of

Santhanam ( as Vol II has been not been completed by him before his demise

except for rough draft) and OF GC Sharma .About AD slokas There is a difference

of Two sloka . Mr Chandra shekhar has quoted reference from Reliable early

published BPHS ,but no one can force to change once opinion, Of what one likes

to hold right or wrong. You have your own theory and you are entitled to hold to

it.

> > 4. Their method of computation has been explained in my article which you

have not read properly.

> > I did not ask computation it is mentally calculable. My question was how you

work out AD?

> > Say in case of sub- periodization do you teach AD remain within the same

cycle for the dasa in KCD throughout. and its related issues.

> > 5. Without reading my article in which I described the method of working out

MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of making

sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > No comments needed. Teacher/ scribe have to be clear about subject before

teaching/ writing the subject.

> > 6. is not a part of verses written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of

editor who rightly felt that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have

failed to pick up this point,

> > Did you check in which chand these verses are, type of Sanskrit used

therein. Age of Sanskrit if constructed is post parasar or preparshar. If you

are expert in both these areas your observations may carry weight, not

otherwise. Failing on my part does not arise for I have not learnt above but

have idea of secret behind these limited verses on AD .They are linked to

Navamsa- lords. What I am unsure is their correct calculation pattern hece my

respose and query Was made.

> > 7. . This scheme has already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

> > Once upon a time I installed This Software and found clumsy. Before I could

work out and check My hard disc collapsed,

> > Many SW has KCD scheme implemented, I am not sure None appears to have same

calculations.

> > Please understand I do not enter into controversies. Look what K.N.Rao has

Said.

> > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=274

> > there are many astro-viruses circulating who do not discuss technically and

academically but attack each other gracelessly showing their ***********

> > Hope You do not fulfill such a disrespectable definition.

> > Plaese forgive me if my this mail contents do evoke unpleasant emotions.

> > With respects to all participants to this thread.

> > RC

> > ***********summary of correspondance ************ ***8

> > To All :

> >

> > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> >

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> >

> > -VJ

> > 6-3-2010

> > Dear VJ,

> > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it . Please educate how

you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa once native has

reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is very

important.

> > With regards.

> > RCS

> > • To RCS :

> >

> > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those very

topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move to next

Sequence " .

> >

> > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has already

been described with example. Those who know how to deduce Vimshottari AD or PD

will find no difficulty in understanding my comments. Some modern astrologers

are spreading confusion about Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and

vice versa) which is seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> >

> > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD

> > NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

> >

> > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ?

The

> > very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has

a

> > separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

> > about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. Since

BPHS

> > has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may assume the existence of AD, PD, SD

and

> > PrD as well. Their method of computation has been explained in my article

which

> > you have not read properly.

> >

> > -VJ

> > • Dear Vinay,

> >

> > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not mention

antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even

the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> >

> > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called alachakraantardasha

aphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure you will find the results of

KCD antardasha phalas there. So RC ji is right. Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> > • Mr Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Without reading my article in which I described the method of working out

MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of making

sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> >

> > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa once

native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I replied : " The very

purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the point and

intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article properly.

> >

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses written

by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt that the topic

was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up this point, but you

helped him out.

> >

> > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I provided

the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the original scheme of

Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice, including you and RCS. This

scheme has already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

> >

> > -VJ

> > • Dear Vinay_jee,

> >

> > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently voiced your

disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general) do not read your

articles, do not try out your software, do not listen to the truth about how

astrology must be done or calculated. Now please understand that I am not

quoting you but paraphrasing based on the sense I get and I hope others who are

observing and experiencing you on internet might have made similar observations

> > too.

> > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards one person

(you!).

> >

> > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In other words

someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords between your work

and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am not telling you what you must

do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was just wondering why this is happening

or rather occurring to you! And you have never been abusive or unreasonable in

your expressions either!

> > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .! Best regards, Rohiniranjan

> > • Rohiniranjan Ji,

> >

> > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in

general) do not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

to the truth " ).

> >

> > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making myself

known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with my consent.

None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in editor boards, and

none of those editors do anything in my panchangas. I

> > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a sign of

" disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get recognized. Recently I

tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition awarded

> > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for Fame is

poison to me.

> >

> > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long years,

because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet astrologers. But this

prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded minority from using what

I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the result

> > of long years of tests.

> >

> > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function properly if

Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function properly.

> >

> > -VJ

> > • I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I was

basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you were writing

publicle and privately through internet.

> >

> > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I

wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your many

wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your academic

achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite a few times.,

etc.

> >

> > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world

†" we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of

this world which is already suffering and probably as we move towards the date

which many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012) , we will be facing increasing

challenges and warnings against the well-being of the earth and its dwellers.

One worry less is one sigh of relief gained, I suppose.

> > Rohiniranjan

> > Baby-boomer

> > • <<<

> > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world --

we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of this

world which is already suffering.>> >

> >

> > It is not what I said. My words were " the world will cease to function

properly if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. "

> >

> > Any revolutionary change in fundamental beliefs results in temporary

upheavals and obstacles in proper functioning. This is what I meant.

> >

> > Besides, I have no power to remove materialism from the minds of those who

believe physical planets are deities and therefore any alternative software must

not be tested. Men cannot be changed unless they are ready to change themselves.

Persons with strong Saturn are more difficult to change, perhaps due to slow

motion of Saturn. But if Saturn is exalted, it results in positive change in the

long run, after initial pitfalls.

> >

> > You are wrongly thanking me for preservation of this world. I decided in

1971 not to become a baby-boomer, while you have added this adjective to your

name in this message ( " Rohiniranjan Baby-boomer " ). After a century ot two, no

one will remember me, but you will be remembered, at least by your babies & c. It

is for the benefit of babies of persons like you that I worked so hard. If my

work is wasted and destroyed and forgotten, it will not harm me in any respect.

> >

> > The only difference you have with me is due to the fact that I found, much

later in my life, that physical astronomy gives worse astrological results than

Suryasiddhanta. Before this finding, I had equal or perhaps more faith in the

astrological validity of physical planetary motions. Had I retained my earlier

opinion, you would have found no difference.

> >

> > You sincerely used words like " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for me.

But such traits are results of expectations. I had no expectation. Hence, there

was no question of disappointment. The whole world is taught physical astronomy,

formally as well as informally. Even many of

> > those who have to study Suryasiddhanta do not comprehend it properly.

> > Hence, a software based on a misunderstood text could not become popular.

Moreover, I am using outdated Visual Basic version which is not allowing many

users to install Kundalee on their machines. You also know these issues well.

Then, why you guessed I am " disappointed " ? I knew the outcome beforehand, and

that is why I refrained from launching Kundalee on web for years ; Kundalee is

still not fit for web (it contains outdated DLL files).

> >

> > You have question thrice why I am treated so. Here is the answer :

> > Presently, the planets of MD, AD and PD in my horoscope have bitter enmical

aspects on 10th house. In my birthchart too, I have lord of 11th Sun sitting in

4th (house of Suhrid), which makes my " friends " often unfriendly towards me.

Hence, I must not get recognition or honour for

> > my work. Due to my way of life, bonds of horoscope are not hard on me, and I

get recognition wherever I go. But I try to keep away from honours & c because I

know if I stick to this World I will have to pay a heavy price by being engulfed

by it in the form of next birth/births.

> >

> > I have no grudge against you. I can even tolerate abuses from those who have

contributed something worthwhile to others. I do not mean you have ever abused

anyone, including me, I only mean that you have really contributed something

good to society at large, and that is your real worth to me. It does not matter

to me what is your opinion about me or about my work. Not even 1% on my work is

on internet, hence you do not know my work. Bulk of my written works are not in

astrology but in comparative linguistics of Indo-European languages (mainly

concerning the dating of Rgveda through linguistic means), which I never

published in book form but gave parts of it in lectures and some articles and

emails only. Sincerely,

> > -VJ

> > • Thank you very much Vinay_jee for opening your heart on this forum where

I know you are indeed respected and where the moderator has publicly assured you

several times that you will always be listened too, and from my lowly ant's

perspective you have been! I use the metaphor of 'ant' from time to time, not to

portray veiled arrogance or sham-humility but to me, ants represent the

'grihasta' and worldly reality of the very same DIVINITY that also produces

> > monks and sadhus and sages and awatars! The same MA and BABA who create all

this

> > magic and whose BABIES we all are: Grihasta and Brahmachari!

> >

> > It is for the BABIES of those CELESTIAL PARENTS that we all must work

towards & that includes the grihasta and the brahmachari and the rest of the

fauna and flora! I KNOW that the YUGAS will bring pralayas and we all shall

return to where we started and ACTUALLY never left!

> >

> > That is what to me personally has always meant SATURN's message and SATURN'S

BLESSINGS! STAMBHAN (of any planet) perhaps in transit or even in natal

represents SATURN, while atichara represents some other astrological- factor...

!

> >

> > Saturn is that KHOONTI (hindi Khoonti and not bangla khoonti!) to which the

goat (astrological reality starting with aries/mesha) is tied to with the

illusive rope of free-will, as Thakur Paramahansa' s allegory reminds us.

> >

> > I have always wondered as to why RamKrishna used the goat as the animal in

the metaphor! Goats are known to have an innate GIFT for chewing incessantly!

What if they decide to chew on the rope that tie them fatalistically to SATURN?

Emancipation can come to GOATS too, can it not?

> >

> > I hope the GOATs are listening? I mean CHEWING!! Regards, Rohiniranjan

> > • [Rohini Da,

> >

> > Grihasthas are not ants. All other ashramas depend on them. While sanyaasis,

fed by grihasthas, look after moksha, Dharma in this world is maintained by

Grihasthas. Unfortunately, most of the grihasthas in kaliyuga have become

grihastas (grih-asta : combust in the home).

> > -VJ

> > • Vinay_jee,

> >

> > As far as combustion is concerned, often touched upon earlier -- a new

question since the earliers remained unanswered:

> > Does the Sun becomes combust when each evening he goes ASTA in the west?

> > I had heard another version too!

> >

> > Griha -- Sthaa

> >

> > When the griha comes to stay (comes back HOME) griha-sthaa!

> >

> > SATURN again! Chores and hard repetitive work, day in and day out! Like the

lowly ants (grihasthas! ) need to finish before they get access to their

computers ;-)

> >

> > Count your blessings... !

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > • Sir,

> > The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate Kalachakra dasa

needs to be complemented. AS most of us show eagerness to apply mostly the Chara

Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD application seems to work better in some

cases(b4 and after war times) found to be more precise.Few people actually

make effort to apply KCD and in this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

> > His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was made

after thorough study of classsiclas, though it is mainly oriented towards surya

siddhantic principles.Unfortun ately my efforts to load and use on window Vista

never gave me the personal satisfaction to understand the efficacy of

software.Some of our JT members,however endorsed compliments.

> > The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be be

taken with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to take with

grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop astrology in the present

times shall definetely help those worried about apocalypse relating to 21st Dec.

> > and remove all doubts that the order of the Nature is very much stable and

nothing to apprehend catastophy. The recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and

impending tectonic movements it is evident the world is under transformation.

(but disintegration? )This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned money

does not also seems to be secure. Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed

by Saturn in Virgo,with exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly

getting brow beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble

though he is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's

Stabhisha. The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and encouraging

members from time to time.The benifit out of these crtical discussions Iam sure

members will take them in right earnes and laud all those with penchant to do

write some thing

> > different from routine and explore all the past base and make the knowledge

reachable to common man.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > • Krishnan Ji,

> >

> > I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote place

and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking too much time.

> >

> > Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love since

I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago when I got

irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

> > Suryasiddhanta.

> >

> > The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the worst

is over and we are heading towards better days. World population will decrease

henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

> > Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi of

Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east Europe (Rome,

Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi. This Drikpakshiya

theory has not fully survived.

> > • I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a

chord!

> >

> > So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan and

their political situations and economies etc...) that are going to progress or

will the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may be born in Japan or

Iraq, in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps insects shall rule the universe,

yet again!!

> >

> > Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime -- several

perhaps because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > • Human beings will fare according to theor own individual karmas, while

countries will fare according to fixed laws of mundane jyotisha. During my

school days, I wondered why most of the rich persons are born in rich countries

!

> >

> > It is only the beginning of Kaliyuga. Only 5110 years have elapsed. 426890

years are yet to come, during which there will be nine more socalled Doomsdays.

-VJ

> > • Dear Vinay_jee,

> >

> > Yes humanity still has a fair amount of time! Even by Sri Yukteshwar Giri's

reckoning which baffles many -- as does the ayanamsha that 'astronomical books'

were following, as also the 54 " annual rate of progression that he shared with

us all in The Holy Science -- primarily written for a specific purpose in 1894

> > -- as clearly stated by Yogananda's Gurujee.

> >

> > In fact, even if we all who are chattering away wisely here and elsewhere

were to be suddenly decimated into our 'elements' C, N, O, S and a bunch of

other pieces that belong to the periodic table, would that put CREATION to an

end? Or CREATIVITY.. .?

> >

> > Sometimes the Puppeteer (whose performance it really is -- and not of the

puppet!) is so skilled, like some parents are -- that the puppet really carries

the show, and never manages to figure out who was pulling the strings and who

was really in control!

> >

> > Either way, the PARENT/PUPPETEER wins because after all whose show it is,

after

> > all?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > • Dear Sir,

> > It is only micro organisms that will have a longer life over arthropods or

> > milli/centipeds. The fast changing climate and emissions make humans with

shields looking like scietific Avatasrs.

> > Insects,I mean UFO's ruling of course a scientific version.Like Man with a

Calti Ka Naam gadi is also Chatushpada. The over take or scientific explosion

put man behind .so the waning of the homosapiens is the question of time,say

distant end of Kaliyuga.

> > Having to be a japanee or Iraquee in the next birth will be a major wish,as

in India it is develop..... . " ing "

> > other nations like Korea(except congo) including Iraq,japan and the lattest

Afganisthan are having less of history and Nations in making will no doubt

emerge further will have a major say in Global matters.

> > China and Congo may still be there what the histories of these countries

convey.Of course not even century hold has hopes but yet in baking stage.The

cake before it is made is target for many to cut and celebrate.yet the land of

Ganga,Jamna may boast of very 5th and 9th house.But drikdrishti theory may

further fail these hopes.

> > Exception seems to be the Vikruti Nanam samvatsaram where orderliness is

predicted for this nation to progress and bring reforms.Not Certainly women's

Reservation Bill nor the debated Nuclear bill of the past.

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > • Krishnan dada,

> >

> > Please tell us more about the *drikdrishti* theory you mentioned about

towards the end of your message (quoted below).

> >

> > Very early on in my pursuance of astrology, SAMBANDHA in the horoscope

became a

> > crucial point of attention for me and that is where SYNTHESIS became such an

important point-of-focus. Drishti (when eyes meet) is very synthetic, of course.

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > • sir,

> > As all of us Surya Siddhanta has a unque system oc classificcation. like

India Meru .........Dakshna dhk bhage....... ...etc.For mundane purpose this is

> > followed by some jyotishis.

> > 2.Basically in Munadane Astrology,others more or less of the Parasara the

location /situation of regions ,countries was thought to be based on drik

pakshiya drishti.(Disa. /direction) .

> > This resulted in cluster and was lacking clarity to find the correctness of

astrological progress vis a vis their destiny/fate/ .So this too has become

debatable.

> > 3..Also people hold the view the independence/ liberation day chart too are

not meaningful.

> > The analysis for mundane purpose as of now based on conventional model has

been revised.Now based the disatnce from equator,and georphical data,a chkra has

been

> > drwan and it's traditional as well as scientific importance is yet to be

estblishes

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(Dear Sir ji; Pt. Chandra Munni Pathak

has an interesting

> > note in his commentary on

> >

> > lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it

as such in Romanised Hindi;

> >

> > " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se

> > sambhandhit

> >

> > nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi

bhi

> >

> > prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu

kaun

> >

> > kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi,

> >

> > isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai " .

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbir Bains

> > • Dear Vinay,

> >

> > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on lists.

Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read out what you

wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are mentioned in BPHS

and gave you the page number since you specifically said that BPHS does not have

them.

> >

> > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of

antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any verses that

can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the verse at page 380 of the

same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- " is written and the mention

of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> >

> > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what he is

saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought to be brought in

about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme. But then I see you

have given something called Karka mahadasha of KCD'S Antardasha order as

4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> >

> > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced

likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have Karka AD

as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka : 4,5,3,10,11,

12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> >

> > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha order

begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and

9, that is it begins with Karka? If it follows the order given by you , how does

it fit in with the manner Parashara told to look at the Antardasha in

Vimshottari scheme? Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> > • Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I wrote

> >

> > <<<

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses written

by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt that the topic

was on AD.

> > >>>

> >

> > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor rightly

felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word " rightly " and tried to

distort my statement.

> >

> > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of " editor " . Pt

Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba edition by Pt

Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why

you assume all editors are unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too

enthusiastic at many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

" Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled as

> > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and PrD. In a

previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there must be lower periods.

In the chapter " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly

labeled as

> > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all twelve

raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I take it for

nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs for raashis of

PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been so, the text would have

mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the beginning of this chapter.

> >

> > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt Sitaram Jha

" rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my message because you

brought my statements out of context and changed

> > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used when you

want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not one's aim.

> >

> > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology) between

other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread, I had some

correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private email ID (I had

complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He clarified that JHORA has

many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and

PVR's own method is given under the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this

correspondence, I copied parts of my message to him and posted it at my own

website. Then, I informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to

start any

> > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part of my

message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an elucidation of that

case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in vedic astrology (about which he

has very heated differences with his Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong

sequence of second pada of Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I

supported. BPHS gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was

missing in

> > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should be

reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery. Since the

discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave an example of

Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD. Karka

navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there will be twelve types

of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage to

> > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to write

articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary of all important

aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the basic scheme was outlined in

it, and the sole purpose of this article was to prove the validity of A-2

sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 : 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against

Pt Sanjay Rath and against Sri Jyoti Star. -VJ

> > • Dear Sir,

> > 1Since nakshtra r basically savya(15) and apasavya(12) based and also on

DEHA and Jeeva accordingly some ambiguity is KCD is there.Further nakshtra pada

also decides commencement of Dasa .For ex bharani 4th,the order is as mentioned

by Shri Chandrsekhar Ji.where as antar dasa also floows same order working out

paramyu as 86yrs.

> > 2.Parasara certainly has also taken dasa visleshan based Kalchakradasa. But

some how the working out of dasa of KCD has three methods as explained by BVR in

his book.

> > It appears,some problem in interpretation lead to differences. Like wise

application of KCD for anlysis also there were different views.Some opine if

venus is strong in natal chart or based on Moon if strong etc.

> > In KCD dasaa basically proceed by three distinct steps.1.Mandooka2. Markata

and 3.Simhavalokana, keeping basically svaya and apasavya clasification of

Nakshtras. 3.//4,5,3,2, 1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka?//As per

KCD scheme this is Correct.

> > 4. //But then I see you have given something called...//There seems to be

typographical mistake.

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling 7 March 2010

> > • I have explained the main problem of KCD in

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa -VJ

> > • Vinayji,

> >

> > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason I

usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> >

> > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no need to

do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing quotes to you. That

you choose to change your stand from mail to mail makes it difficult to continue

this argument. But for the record in the mail to RC you also said

> > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ?

The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has

a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. "

> >

> > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I give you

shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want to go off on a

tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on your stand and say " I

still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly "

guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what is meant by MeshaaMshe svaantare

bhaume... " if the word antar is not mentioning antardasha, what does is it

mentioning and where is the guess work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> >

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should follow

Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara

says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari. " Why not give the

shloka and chapter number and verse number to support your argument? That would

support what you are saying.

> >

> > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any relevance

here.

> >

> > You have still not answered my original question of variation of antardasha

order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with different order, that

I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order of antardasha given by you

matches and also indicate why it would not match the Karka Mahadasha order for

the nakshatra given and also what Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle

follows the order that you suggest where with antardasha following the same

> > order would be " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow

all of us to learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

saying?

> >

> > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that they

are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting what you say and

they do not read your article does not prove your point at all. I do not create

any sort of astro software so I do not have any reason to distort anyone's

statements. Regards, Chandrashekhar.

> > • Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> > You wrote : <<<

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should follow

Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari. "

Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support your

argument? That would support what you are saying. >>>

> >

> > You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which says :

" Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88 in the chapter

Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

> >

> > Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various editions of

BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including this, I had started some

discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> > and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and available

manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> > No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is therefore most

authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> > chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> > Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in the

edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-) famous for

inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit has rewritten many

verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a loss to identify that

pandit/pandits.

> >

> > I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available sources.

Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is collection of

various variants of BPHS.

> >

> > I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but merely

copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written any

comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I did not give

my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not explain his own ; he

simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of 1930 and he does not know

the source of that book. Either PVR has not read Phaladeepikaa or does not

respect it and values a dubious Telugu book more than traditionally respected

texts. If you have not read Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to

be in harmony with BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as

KCD AD is concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

> >

> > Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of PVR

against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's sequence to be

in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in knowing the sequences of

KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are free to find additional sins in

me.

> >

> > You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has ever tried to

distort my statements. Now I believe you are not deliberately distorting my

statements. The fault lies in your belief in certain edition and ignorance of

other editions of BPHS. It is not my fault for which you are accusing me of

falsehood and dishonesty. As for RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study

properly, because he was citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

> > All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

> > -VJ

> > ============ ==== ===

> > • Dear Krishnan,

> >

> > I think there is more confusion about Kalchakra dasha than any other dasha

simply because though it is called as one of the important dashas, people tend

to find more than what is there in it. You are right there are basically three

Gatis, but now it seems people are inventing more gatis or giving the old ones

new names. That is good to see in print but I doubt if it helps.

> >

> > People tend to argue more about what is right than taking pains to read that

which is clearly stated. The use of the dasha is simple if one understands it

right.

> >

> > As a matter of fact I began penning a book on it, and it is half complete

but since I am at present translating one of my own books under direction from

Mahamandaleshwar of a respected Akhada, that has taken a back seat.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > • <<<

> > You are right there are basically three Gatis, but now it seems people are

inventing more gatis or giving the old ones new names.

> > >>>

> >

> > This sentence is clearly against me, because I wrote that only the negative

Gatis are mentioned in BPHS and positive Gatis are not named. It is not my

invention, as Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma falsely charges.

> > He says " I began penning a book on it (KCD) " but seems to be ignorant of the

fact that all three gatis mentined in BPHS are bad, but many people have good

phases in their lives too. Secondly, BPHS gives many sequences such as

1,2,3,.... which do not come under either of mandooki, markati or

simhaavalokana. Hence, there must be more than three gatis and any additional

gati must be benefic. Only malefic Durgatis are mentioned in PHS (as gatis).

> >

> > Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma claims to an expert on KCD but is ignorant of this

fact as well as of other facts. Recently he refused to accept that KCD's MD

should be deduced according to Vimshottari and asked me to show the verse. The

verse is " ...Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88 in

the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). "

> > I never wrote any independent article of KCD. Recently, I saw a debate

between Mr Sanjay Rath and PVR Narasimha Rao. I found PVR to correct on one

point. I wrote something to PVR on that point, and pasted my answer on my

website too. It was not a comprehensive article on KCD not. On AD, I did give

any detailed analysis, but only some brief comments on the topic which PVR and

Mr Rath were discussing. I think there is no need of any new article on KCD

because Phaladeepikaa has elaborated it beautifully. Some astrologers are

creating unncessary controversies about KCD. Phaladeepikaa is based on BPHS and

Chandrashekhar Ji has not read some important editions of BPHS (cf.

" ...Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " ). -VJ

> >

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinayji,

> > >

> > > You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the goal.

Was it not you who first said that there is no reference to Antardasha when I

had given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather Kheladilal edition? So now why the

sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha edition? Any way the shloka you are

quoting does not say that Kalachakra dasha should be deduced in accordance with

Vimshottari dashas. At least the shloka you quote does not say so.

> > >

> > > I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta

Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please do not assume that

everybody other than you is unaware of the different editions of BPHS in

existence.

> > >

> > > You are again referring to the other threads on which you have written,

whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was restricted to the

original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of KCD are not mentioned but

Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

> > >

> > > I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are now

attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your mail. It is

apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question and skirting it by

writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in

your support and then again say it is not complete. If that is so, why the

insistence that one should only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said

there.

> > >

> > > I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS, that

gives Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have brought up that

subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system, as indicated by

Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why and how Vakya differs

from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem to imply that you are the

only authority on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. That may

help jyotish fraternity more than this jumping from one text to other.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> > >

> > > You wrote :

> > >

> > > <<<

> > > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> > > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> > > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > > >>>

> > >

> > > You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> > > says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88

> > > in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

> > >

> > > Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

> > > convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> > > editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> > > this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> > > and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> > > available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> > > No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

> > > this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

> > > Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> > > therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> > > chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> > > satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> > > Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

> > > the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> > > famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

> > > has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a

> > > loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

> > >

> > > I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

> > > accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> > > sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> > > collection of various variants of BPHS.

> > >

> > > I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

> > > merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written

> > > any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

> > > did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

> > > explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of

> > > 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

> > > read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

> > > book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> > > Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

> > > BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

> > > concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

> > > you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

> > >

> > > Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

> > > PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

> > > sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> > > knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are

> > > free to find additional sins in me.

> > >

> > > You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> > > have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

> > > ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> > > deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief in

> > > certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

> > > fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As for

> > > RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

> > > citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

> > >

> > > All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ==== ===

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Vinayji,

> > > >

> > > > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason

> > > I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> > > >

> > > > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

> > > need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> > > quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

> > > makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in the

> > > mail to RC you also said

> > > > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

> > > results are about MD. "

> > > >

> > > > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

> > > give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want

> > > to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

> > > your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

> > > Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

> > > is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

> > > mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the guess

> > > work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> > > >

> > > > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> > > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> > > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > > >

> > > > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> > > relevance here.

> > > >

> > > > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> > > antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

> > > different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order

> > > of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

> > > match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

> > > Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

> > > suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> > > " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

> > > learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> > > saying?

> > > >

> > > > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that

> > > they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> > > what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your point

> > > at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

> > > reason to distort anyone's statements.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> > > >

> > > > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> > > wrote

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > <<<

> > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > > verses

> > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > > felt

> > > > that the topic was on AD.

> > > > >>>

> > > >

> > > > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > > > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> > > " rightly "

> > > > and tried to distort my statement.

> > > >

> > > > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> > > " editor " .

> > > > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > > > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > > > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> > > > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> > > > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > > > " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

> > > as

> > > > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> > > PrD.

> > > > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> > > deduced

> > > > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> > > > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> > > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> > > > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > > > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

> > > twelve

> > > > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> > > take it

> > > > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

> > > for

> > > > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> > > so,

> > > > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > > > beginning of this chapter.

> > > >

> > > > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > > > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> > > > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > > > message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> > > > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> > > when

> > > > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> > > one's

> > > > aim.

> > > >

> > > > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > > > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

> > > I

> > > > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> > > email

> > > > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > > > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > > > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> > > under

> > > > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> > > copied

> > > > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> > > > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

> > > any

> > > > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

> > > of

> > > > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > > > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > > > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> > > > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

> > > of

> > > > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> > > BPHS

> > > > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing in

> > > > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> > > be

> > > > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> > > Since

> > > > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave

> > > an

> > > > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > > > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> > > > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> > > will be

> > > > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> > > to

> > > > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> > > > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> > > of

> > > > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> > > basic

> > > > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

> > > to

> > > > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> > > > 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> > > and

> > > > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ===== ====

> > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > >

> > > > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

> > > on

> > > > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> > > read

> > > > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

> > > are

> > > > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> > > specifically

> > > > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> > > of

> > > > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> > > > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> > > verse

> > > > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> > > bhaume---- "

> > > > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> > > > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> > > what

> > > > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

> > > to

> > > > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> > > scheme.

> > > > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> > > KCD'S

> > > > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> > > deduced

> > > > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> > > have

> > > > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

> > > :

> > > > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > > > >

> > > > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> > > dasha

> > > > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > > > 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> > > follows

> > > > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> > > Parashara

> > > > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > VJha

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > > > working

> > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

> > > of

> > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > > > >

> > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > > > " Please

> > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > > > dasa

> > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> > > elucidation

> > > > of

> > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > > > article

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > > > verses

> > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > > > felt

> > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> > > > up

> > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> > > KCD.

> > > > PVR

> > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > > > which I

> > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> > > > the

> > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > > > notice,

> > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ============ ==== ===

> > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > > > BPHS

> > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > > > sure

> > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > VJha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To RCS :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> > > those

> > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> > > you

> > > > move

> > > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> > > > has

> > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

> > > is

> > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > > > Jeeva

> > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> > > alone. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> > > AD

> > > > in

> > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> > > right

> > > > of

> > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> > > > 37

> > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > > > These

> > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

> > > we

> > > > may

> > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> > > of

> > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> > > read

> > > > > properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > > > swami.rcs@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > > > Sequence

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > > > Stanza

> > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> > > AD

> > > > is

> > > > > very important.

> > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > RCS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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To Members,

 

The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows he is

distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

 

Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned again and

again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and Venus in

Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is obviously an

error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

 

Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of Vimshottari

Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's

MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " appears to be

an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in which Mercury and

Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

 

My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position in D1 only,

hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's positions in those

vargas.

 

Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary positions in D9.

On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna of D1.

 

Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep respect for

him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

 

When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what is the use of

this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into following charts

with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose dashaas are running :

D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but affects almost all topics),

relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A comprehensive assessment of

performance of Vimshottari planets in all these charts gives a final picture.

Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his suggestions are valid.

 

If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of Moon's positions

in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither supported by texts

nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

 

Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and not from D9. I

had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44) which give

exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini Sutra. Why RCS

ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to quote Jaimini

Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not clear. Perhaps

he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting from some

imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed from varga

chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or D9, as

Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

 

Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed. The latter

diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my statements out of

context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's

MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " may not be

applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such combinations

appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me) has NOT worked

out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS

should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from Jaimini Sutra) was

already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from Jaimini because the

context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to RCS.

 

RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is hidden in

traditions " . Which tradition ?

 

RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the

divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use

of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well in

Varga from Di to D 24.. "

 

He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya.wetpaint webpages where I said the same

thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the

divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a varga is one thing,

and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that varga is another which

I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my views to prove me

wrong.

 

Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS says : " Please

see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of aspect in

divisional charts.

 

Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual term is

Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted from

left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

 

Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

 

The meaning is very simple :

 

For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that (raashi of lagna),

For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction " (Adarsha) from

Lagna.

 

Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on ancient

scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters, but

Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters. Shri

RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university and see

what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha. Or,

consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the context of

Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these sutras. If some

modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that Rishi, but RCS has

no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel assumptions which are

absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are

" for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

 

I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

charts you examined? "

 

I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar Arudhas Argala and

strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives in particular

provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

 

He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar Arudhas

Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless he shows

me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

 

On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail, together with the

symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never explained by any

commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg was mentioned in

previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it mentions some

extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be easily deduced

from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good gatis then all

mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate always. I was

abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and the abuser,

whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in my logic.

 

Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ?? Here, I fine a Raj

Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting my statements merely

for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit texts properly (cf.

" Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

 

I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces wrong

interpretations, I must state the truth.

 

As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of AD. Raj

Jyotishis know more than me.

 

-Vinay Jha

=================================== ===

, " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends,

> Above mails have important observations and have drawn my attention. If I am

permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved herein, with a view to

awaken interest.

> The summary of points raised to my understanding is as below.

> 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need some

theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha dasas,the

procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no relevance. Some

academic discussion based on some reference at some point of time becomes

half baked thought "

> 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the guidelines for

D1

> 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to Natal Chart

positions only

> 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas charts too was cited

> 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing are finally made

clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to twist original

rules and apply them.

> 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find no reference in

ancient texts

> 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is that they find

existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of events

> My attempt to

> Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not describe Navamsa

dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10 dasa making 42 dasa.

Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in Navamsa D 9 Chart.

> First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini Upadesh Sutra

describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very important

dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The fact is the

procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However There is slight

difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and kalinga tradition

as far as Adarsh rasi

> Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is not correct:

> Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or PM or head

of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his country and

will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That Native is

endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own people. Thus

its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should not be studied

stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of sight.

Suddenly around 2000-2001

> Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many astrologer teach

assuming

> All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also. However Barring a

few exception .

> It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for Main ududasa

applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two multiples of

twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor 34 and

commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The dasa /

antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as well.

> Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect in divisional

charts.

> [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless specially hinted

in sutra itself]

> Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which sloka is

talked about.

> Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted views of

tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls for

explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements of

Kendradigati etc .

> Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well in Varga

from Di to D 24..

> Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show that opinion

expressed

> By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little vision I have

formed.

> With regards.

> RC

>

>

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from True

> > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions

> > which find no reference in ancient texts, including Phaladeepika's 7th

> > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas, there will

> > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of dashaas will be

> > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas to only

> > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types " ( " Dvi-chatvaarimshad-

> > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> >

> > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> >

> > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj edition retains

> > it.

> >

> > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is

> > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with

> > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita, they are

> > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> >

> > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem Ji.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ===================================== ===

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.Vimshottari

> > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal Chart.

> > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need

> > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out Navamsha

> > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be defined.

> > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic discussion

> > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half baked thought

> > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to the

> > guidelines for D1//

> > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to Natal Chart

> > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter 7

> > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after reading

> > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider aspects in

> > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal lagna

> > chart.It is noncontroversial:my experience is that only D1 has aspectsof

> > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions in

> > other vargas.

> > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas,it is

> > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing

> > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not

> > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > >

> > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

> > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of BPHS

> > >

> > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

> > >

> > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot be

> > >

> > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern researchers

> > are

> > >

> > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types of

> > >

> > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > >

> > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name the

> > >

> > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

> > >

> > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions

> > including

> > >

> > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

> > >

> > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are drawn

> > >

> > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram Jha

> > >

> > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any reason

> > and

> > >

> > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or

> > earlier

> > >

> > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known dashaas.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of D1

> > chart.

> > >

> > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its position in

> > >

> > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an error in

> > >

> > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some software

> > >

> > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But there is

> > no

> > >

> > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my software for

> > the

> > >

> > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has aspects

> > >

> > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions

> > >

> > > in other vargas.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

> > >

> > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

> > >

> > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten years you

> > >

> > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never intended to

> > >

> > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be twisted in

> > the

> > >

> > > name of seniority in age.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > >

> > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in

> > >

> > > other vargas ;-)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > RR

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there are

> > >

> > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you have no

> > >

> > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you if

> > >

> > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle ( " gutthie " )

> > as

> > >

> > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have made

> > >

> > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > >

> > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told such

> > things.

> > >

> > > The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting " person

> > >

> > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must be parked

> > >

> > > off together with that person.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > >

> > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how long

> > >

> > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne time

> > to

> > >

> > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent from many

> > >

> > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for you but

> > >

> > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > >

> > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously have

> > and

> > >

> > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the next

> > sloka!

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have

> > >

> > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to park

> > or

> > >

> > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of the

> > person

> > >

> > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners without

> > >

> > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then return to

> > >

> > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to tackle

> > it.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called REPRIORITISATION!

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone MUST

> > >

> > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting, Venus

> > >

> > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> > >

> > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to expose

> > such

> > >

> > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on BPHS

> > to

> > >

> > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to discuss my

> > >

> > > persona??

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even informing

> > me

> > >

> > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is internet

> > your

> > >

> > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being in

> > 5th,

> > >

> > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them, but the

> > >

> > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of BPHS

> > >

> > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this idea

> > which

> > >

> > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not mean

> > >

> > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up of

> > >

> > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the meaning

> > of

> > >

> > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread to

> > >

> > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss

> > >

> > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me or for

> > me

> > >

> > > (it is not my wish).

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > >

> > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within seconds?

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that

> > dissolves

> > >

> > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and

> > promise

> > >

> > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name wished

> > upon

> > >

> > > you!

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up to

> > your

> > >

> > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > >

> > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th,

> > >

> > > 8th, 9th

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of BPHS

> > are

> > >

> > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ??

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > disgusting.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal "

> > >

> > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > >

> > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to post

> > >

> > > here :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made this

> > >

> > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently. Those

> > who

> > >

> > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion concerning

> > their

> > >

> > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not SANTOSH.

> > >

> > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on blind

> > support

> > >

> > > to wrong ideas.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga, excepting

> > for

> > >

> > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My sole aim

> > is

> > >

> > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the right.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to

> > >

> > > others. "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in my

> > mails

> > >

> > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or

> > >

> > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> > >

> > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated verses, let me

> > >

> > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to X-post

> > here

> > >

> > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and particularly

> > >

> > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more confusion

> > >

> > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by snapping

> > >

> > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with baited

> > >

> > > breath!!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can

> > change!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my prediction

> > and

> > >

> > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted earlier!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that

> > insist

> > >

> > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " VJha "

> > >

> > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used feline

> > >

> > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten year

> > >

> > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine reference,

> > >

> > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to

> > >

> > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously scholarly

> > >

> > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or akaasha or

> > >

> > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and

> > >

> > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is difficult

> > >

> > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be capable

> > >

> > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching someone!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly REALITY

> > where

> > >

> > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > >

> > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am doing

> > that.

> > >

> > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at you.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > requirements

> > >

> > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers lack. Those

> > >

> > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at least

> > for

> > >

> > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who is

> > really

> > >

> > > confused.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous views must

> > >

> > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed gurus.

> > >

> > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated by

> > >

> > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or even

> > respect

> > >

> > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals goes in

> > vain.

> > >

> > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot accept it

> > >

> > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them were

> > wrong

> > >

> > > ???

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= === ============

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree, just

> > as

> > >

> > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your role in

> > >

> > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com,

> > >

> > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > thread-header

> > >

> > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of

> > lightning

> > >

> > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying attention!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of discussing

> > the

> > >

> > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained from

> > >

> > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored topics of

> > >

> > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== ===

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > com,

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > >

> > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant

> > >

> > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were

> > >

> > > paying attention! ;-)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for Jupiter

> > and

> > >

> > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He lives and

> > >

> > > rules from!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive, pay

> > >

> > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your jupiter is

> > >

> > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly obsessed with

> > >

> > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other planets

> > >

> > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather

> > clearly

> > >

> > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas' that

> > show

> > >

> > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going through

> > in

> > >

> > > this very time of current transits!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed! USA is

> > on

> > >

> > > to a new height of democracy!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

RCS Ji,

 

Khemraj Edition of BPHS is currently available in Khemraj's bookshop near Chowk,

Varanasi.

 

I do not insist that this is the best edition. I only mean to say that all

editions should be simultaneously used, critically.

 

I believe you are not biased. Thanks.

 

-VJ

================================= ==

, " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs wrote:

>

>

> Dear VJ ji,

> Thanks, I placed order on website. Mail bounced. I am ordering by sending

letter.

> BTW i do not intended to distort your views and did not wanted to prove anyone

wrong here.

> I wrote what i have learned.I never insisted that i am only right. I have

quoted the name of traditions for I learned concepts from well trained

astrologers of those traditions. I said some thing about appication I agree

meaning of adarsh in sanskrit is mirror image. Risi knew what one sees in mind

is reverse image of image formed on retina. thats why i translated sutra for

simple understanding as worlds view.

> I never wanted to prove I am superior astrologer to any one here.

> If my mails are causing uneasiness or hurt to any one it is unintensional.

>

> With regards.

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > RCS Ji,

> >

> > Please read Khemraj Edition of BPHS which can be procured from khemraj@ It

contains Hindi translation.

> >

> > -VJ

> > =========================== ===

> > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> > >

> > > 42 types of Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name the

remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine varieties of

Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions including that of Pt Sitaram

Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

> > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are drawn

according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram Jha deleted

these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any reason and his followers

did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or earlier editions. That is

why you do not know these little known dashaas. Vimshottari and related dashaas

are computed from True Moon of D1 chart. For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you

compute Moon from its position in

> > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an error in

kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some software developers

have given such options for experimentation. But there is no canonical

reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > Main theme of discussion calls for methodical treatment and I found I need

to aid few things I wrote earlier.

> > > In English translated versions dasa adhyaas does not follow pattern of

other versions translation in vernacular languages .

> > > Sloka 5 starts with navamsanav dasa and ends with muneeshwere.in Version

of Mr Pathak.

> > > Mr Pathak has translated it navnavamsa dasa rasyanka dasa, kaal dasa kaal

chakra dasa and chakra dasa . sloka runs and eleventh sloka is above one given

by Shri VJ ji.

> > > Editor Mr Pathak has followed dasa description also accordingly but we do

not find navnavamsa and term rasyanka described. Having little working knowledge

of Sanskrit I can not dwell on it but I am aware Some versions have Some other

dasa included many of which are outside above 42 dasa. Obviously they could be

from Jaimini. Nadi and other discipline of Jyotish . As `everybody knows when

learning from scripture one has to be careful with language and context.

> > > Mr Pathak has introduced " Navamsa sthir " dasa. One should be clear it is

not navamsa dasa.

> > > He used term it navnavamsa also. Why?

> > > When rishi starts navamsa sthir dasa He states navashaka dasa in middle of

Sthir dasa.. Here he further elaborates that work out houses. That is rasis.

Each rasi has nine Navamsa.

> > > Then two type of reckoning starts one is from sign and other is from

navamsa occupied by planet in a house.

> > > To further understand one should consider Bhava dasa concept .

> > > Bottom line is Here Navamsa dasa is not the same, It is Navamsa-sthir dasa

having same 9 year span.

> > > This is purly ayus dasa.

> > > Hope Detailed explanation will follow when someone takes up more on topic

" nine varieties of Nava-Dashaa " and " What is obviously an error in kshetra

can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> > > With regards.

> > > RC

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my attention. If

I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved herein, with a view

to awaken interest.

> > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as below.

> > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need

some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha dasas,the

procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no relevance. Some

academic discussion based on some reference at some point of time becomes

half baked thought "

> > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the guidelines

for D1

> > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to Natal Chart

positions only

> > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas charts too was

cited

> > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing are

finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to twist

original rules and apply them.

> > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find no

reference in ancient texts

> > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is that they

find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of events

> > > > My attempt to

> > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not describe

Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10 dasa making

42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in Navamsa D 9

Chart.

> > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini Upadesh Sutra

describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very important

dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The fact is

the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However There is

slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and kalinga

tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is not

correct:

> > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or PM or

head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his country

and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That Native is

endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own people. Thus

its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should not be

studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of sight.

Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many astrologer

teach assuming

> > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also. However

Barring a few exception .

> > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for Main

ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor 34 and

commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The dasa /

antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as well.

> > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect in

divisional charts.

> > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless specially

hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which sloka is

talked about.

> > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted views

of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls for

explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements of

Kendradigati etc .

> > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well in

Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show that

opinion expressed

> > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little vision I

have formed.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > RC

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from True

> > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including Phaladeepika's 7th

> > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas, there will

> > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of dashaas will

be

> > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas to only

> > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types " ( " Dvi-chatvaarimshad-

> > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > >

> > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > >

> > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj edition

retains

> > > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas

is

> > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with

> > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita, they are

> > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > >

> > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem Ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ===================================== ===

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and

appropriate.Vimshottari

> > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal Chart.

> > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need

> > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out Navamsha

> > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be defined.

> > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic discussion

> > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half baked

thought

> > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to the

> > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to Natal

Chart

> > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter 7

> > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after reading

> > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider aspects in

> > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal lagna

> > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial:my experience is that only D1 has

aspectsof

> > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions in

> > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas,it is

> > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till some

thing

> > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not

> > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

> > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of BPHS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

> > > > > >

> > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot be

> > > > > >

> > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern researchers

> > > > > are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

> > > > > >

> > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions

> > > > > including

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are drawn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram Jha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any reason

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or

> > > > > earlier

> > > > > >

> > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known dashaas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of D1

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its position

in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an error in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some software

> > > > > >

> > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But there is

> > > > > no

> > > > > >

> > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my software for

> > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has

aspects

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten years

you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never intended to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be twisted in

> > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you have

no

> > > > > >

> > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you if

> > > > > >

> > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle ( " gutthie " )

> > > > > as

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have made

> > > > > >

> > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > >

> > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told such

> > > > > things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting "

person

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must be

parked

> > > > > >

> > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how long

> > > > > >

> > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne

time

> > > > > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent from

many

> > > > > >

> > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for you

but

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously have

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the next

> > > > > sloka!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have

> > > > > >

> > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to park

> > > > > or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of the

> > > > > person

> > > > > >

> > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners without

> > > > > >

> > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then return

to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to tackle

> > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone

MUST

> > > > > >

> > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting,

Venus

> > > > > >

> > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to expose

> > > > > such

> > > > > >

> > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on BPHS

> > > > > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to discuss my

> > > > > >

> > > > > > persona??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even informing

> > > > > me

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is internet

> > > > > your

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being in

> > > > > 5th,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them, but

the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of BPHS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this idea

> > > > > which

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not mean

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the

meaning

> > > > > of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me or

for

> > > > > me

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within seconds?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that

> > > > > dissolves

> > > > > >

> > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and

> > > > > promise

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name wished

> > > > > upon

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up to

> > > > > your

> > > > > >

> > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in 5th,

6th,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of BPHS

> > > > > are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to

post

> > > > > >

> > > > > > here :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made this

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently. Those

> > > > > who

> > > > > >

> > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion concerning

> > > > > their

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not SANTOSH.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on blind

> > > > > support

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga, excepting

> > > > > for

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My sole

aim

> > > > > is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the

right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > others. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in my

> > > > > mails

> > > > > >

> > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated verses, let

me

> > > > > >

> > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to X-post

> > > > > here

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more

confusion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by

snapping

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with baited

> > > > > >

> > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can

> > > > > change!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my prediction

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted

earlier!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that

> > > > > insist

> > > > > >

> > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used

feline

> > > > > >

> > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten year

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine

reference,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously scholarly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or akaasha

or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is

difficult

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be

capable

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching someone!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly REALITY

> > > > > where

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am doing

> > > > > that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > requirements

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers lack.

Those

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at least

> > > > > for

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who is

> > > > > really

> > > > > >

> > > > > > confused.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous views

must

> > > > > >

> > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed

gurus.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated by

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or even

> > > > > respect

> > > > > >

> > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals goes in

> > > > > vain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot accept

it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them were

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= === ============

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree,

just

> > > > > as

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your role

in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > com,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > thread-header

> > > > > >

> > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of

> > > > > lightning

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying attention!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of discussing

> > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained from

> > > > > >

> > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored topics

of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > com,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we

were

> > > > > >

> > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for Jupiter

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He lives

and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive, pay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your jupiter

is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly obsessed

with

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other planets

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather

> > > > > clearly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas' that

> > > > > show

> > > > > >

> > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going

through

> > > > > in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed! USA

is

> > > > > on

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on ancient

scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters, but

Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters. Shri

RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university and see

what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha. Or,

consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the context of

Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these sutras. If some

modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that Rishi, but RCS has

no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel assumptions which are

absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are

" for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag sureshbabuag

Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

//Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures//

absolutely true.

However, look at this.

In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

it is given as

" viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

" anyasthaadarshaadiH " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

give

" viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

" same adarshaadiH "

Look at the difference in the two versions.

One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

Which version is correct?

And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

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Dear Friends

//Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures//

absolutely true.

So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are unreliable and only

Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach vedanga & jyotish

subjects. Yes Fine.

Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of original

scripture lying in libraries?

I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle from sutra. I

stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is worked out for

phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am inclined to

think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit before the

commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das laxmivenkayteshwar kalian

Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and contains lot of guidance from

vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This was based on commentary by

Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest two were in Sanskrit only

without commentary.

Next about sutra I referred.

There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to question

phrased.

I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of applicability of

dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by P.S.Shastri and others .

It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote translation of Sr P.S.Sastri

FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as 2.1.55 so his commentary assumes

different context. But I did not wrote it in my posting.

I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It is vital

point pointed by him.

But such differences are common among text copies.

My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain Rao and also

given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya.. However In version of

P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in adarshaadiH " .

By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I Rangacharya.

This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to copy of hand

written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus publications made

available are only source for basic introduction. However sutra literature calls

for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for that very purpose

Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of sammukha

and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri and calls

dasa as darpan dasa.

Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three variants. As a

student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to critically

examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy task.But

there is no other way.

Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas and teacher

to bring light.

.. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish only "

(and not for lesser mortals like me).

But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or PM

or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught the

principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I am saying

that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only mentioned it

is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I did correctly

mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in support of my

understanding.

I could not understand What hurts any one.

Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I stop here

tonight.

With best regards.

RC.

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

> > ancient scriptures//

> >

> > absolutely true.

> >

> > However, look at this.

> >

> > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> >

> > it is given as

> > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > " anyasthaadarshaadiH " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> >

> > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

> > give

> > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > " same adarshaadiH "

> >

> > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> >

> > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> >

> > Which version is correct?

> >

> > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> >

> >

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > VJha <vinayjhaa16@>

> >

> > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> > To Members,

> >

> > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows he is

distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> >

> > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned again and

again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and Venus in

Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is obviously an

error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> >

> > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of Vimshottari

Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's

MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " appears to be

an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in which Mercury and

Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> >

> > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position in D1

only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's positions in

those vargas.

> >

> > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary positions in

D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna of

D1.

> >

> > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep respect for

him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> >

> > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what is the use

of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into following

charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose dashaas are

running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but affects almost all

topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A comprehensive

assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these charts gives a

final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his suggestions are

valid.

> >

> > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of Moon's

positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither supported

by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> >

> > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and not from

D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44) which give

exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini Sutra. Why RCS

ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to quote Jaimini

Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not clear. Perhaps

he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting from some

imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed from varga

chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or D9, as

Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> >

> > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed. The latter

diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my statements out of

context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's

MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " may not be

applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such combinations

appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me) has NOT worked

out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS

should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from Jaimini Sutra) was

already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from Jaimini because the

context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to RCS.

> >

> > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is hidden in

traditions " . Which tradition ?

> >

> > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the

divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use

of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well in

Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> >

> > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages where I said the

same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in

the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a varga is one

thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that varga is

another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my views to

prove me wrong.

> >

> > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS says :

" Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of aspect in

divisional charts.

> >

> > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual term is

Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted from

left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

> >

> > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> >

> > The meaning is very simple :

> >

> > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that (raashi of

lagna),

> > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction " (Adarsha)

from Lagna.

> >

> > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the context

of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these sutras. If

some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that Rishi, but

RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel assumptions which

are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him

are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> >

> > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

> > charts you examined? "

> >

> > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar Arudhas Argala

and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives in particular

provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> >

> > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar Arudhas

Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless he shows

me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> >

> > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail, together with

the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never explained by any

commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg was mentioned in

previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it mentions some

extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be easily deduced

from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good gatis then all

mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate always. I was

abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and the abuser,

whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in my logic.

> >

> > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ?? Here, I fine a

Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting my statements

merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit texts

properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> >

> > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces wrong

interpretations, I must state the truth.

> >

> > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of AD. Raj

Jyotishis know more than me.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my attention. If I

am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved herein, with a view to

awaken interest.

> > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as below.

> > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need

some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha dasas,the

procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no relevance. Some

academic discussion based on some reference at some point of time becomes

half baked thought "

> > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the

guidelines for D1

> > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to Natal Chart

positions only

> > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas charts too was

cited

> > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing are

finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to twist

original rules and apply them.

> > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find no

reference in ancient texts

> > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is that they

find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of events

> > > My attempt to

> > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not describe

Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10 dasa making

42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in Navamsa D 9

Chart.

> > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini Upadesh Sutra

describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very important

dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The fact is

the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However There is

slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and kalinga

tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is not

correct:

> > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or PM or

head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his country

and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That Native is

endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own people. Thus

its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should not be

studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of sight.

Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many astrologer

teach assuming

> > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also. However Barring

a few exception .

> > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for Main

ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor 34 and

commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The dasa /

antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as well.

> > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect in

divisional charts.

> > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless specially

hinted in sutra itself]

> > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which sloka is

talked about.

> > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted views of

tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls for

explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements of

Kendradigati etc .

> > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well in Varga

from Di to D 24..

> > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show that opinion

expressed

> > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little vision I

have formed.

> > > With regards.

> > > RC

> > >

> > >

> > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from True

> > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions

> > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including Phaladeepika' s 7th

> > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas, there will

> > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of dashaas will be

> > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas to only

> > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types " ( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha d-

> > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > >

> > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > >

> > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj edition retains

> > > > it.

> > > >

> > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is

> > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with

> > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita, they are

> > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > >

> > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem Ji.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate. Vimshottari

> > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal Chart.

> > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need

> > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out Navamsha

> > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be defined.

> > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic discussion

> > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half baked thought

> > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to the

> > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to Natal Chart

> > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter 7

> > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after reading

> > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider aspects in

> > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal lagna

> > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1 has

aspectsof

> > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions in

> > > > other vargas.

> > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas, it is

> > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing

> > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not

> > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > >

> > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

> > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of BPHS

> > > > >

> > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

> > > > >

> > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot be

> > > > >

> > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern researchers

> > > > are

> > > > >

> > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types of

> > > > >

> > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name the

> > > > >

> > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

> > > > >

> > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions

> > > > including

> > > > >

> > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

> > > > >

> > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are drawn

> > > > >

> > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram Jha

> > > > >

> > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any reason

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or

> > > > earlier

> > > > >

> > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known dashaas.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of D1

> > > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its position in

> > > > >

> > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an error in

> > > > >

> > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some software

> > > > >

> > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But there is

> > > > no

> > > > >

> > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my software for

> > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has aspects

> > > > >

> > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions

> > > > >

> > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

> > > > >

> > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

> > > > >

> > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten years you

> > > > >

> > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never intended to

> > > > >

> > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be twisted in

> > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > >

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in

> > > > >

> > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there are

> > > > >

> > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you have no

> > > > >

> > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you if

> > > > >

> > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle ( " gutthie " )

> > > > as

> > > > >

> > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have made

> > > > >

> > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > >

> > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told such

> > > > things.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting " person

> > > > >

> > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must be parked

> > > > >

> > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > >

> > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how long

> > > > >

> > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne time

> > > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent from many

> > > > >

> > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for you but

> > > > >

> > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > >

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously have

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the next

> > > > sloka!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have

> > > > >

> > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to park

> > > > or

> > > > >

> > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of the

> > > > person

> > > > >

> > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners without

> > > > >

> > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then return to

> > > > >

> > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to tackle

> > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone MUST

> > > > >

> > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting, Venus

> > > > >

> > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> > > > >

> > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to expose

> > > > such

> > > > >

> > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on BPHS

> > > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to discuss my

> > > > >

> > > > > persona??

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even informing

> > > > me

> > > > >

> > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is internet

> > > > your

> > > > >

> > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being in

> > > > 5th,

> > > > >

> > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them, but the

> > > > >

> > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of BPHS

> > > > >

> > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this idea

> > > > which

> > > > >

> > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not mean

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up of

> > > > >

> > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the meaning

> > > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread to

> > > > >

> > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss

> > > > >

> > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me or for

> > > > me

> > > > >

> > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > >

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within seconds?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that

> > > > dissolves

> > > > >

> > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and

> > > > promise

> > > > >

> > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name wished

> > > > upon

> > > > >

> > > > > you!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up to

> > > > your

> > > > >

> > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > >

> > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th,

> > > > >

> > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of BPHS

> > > > are

> > > > >

> > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ??

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > disgusting.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > >

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > >

> > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to post

> > > > >

> > > > > here :

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made this

> > > > >

> > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently. Those

> > > > who

> > > > >

> > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion concerning

> > > > their

> > > > >

> > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not SANTOSH.

> > > > >

> > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on blind

> > > > support

> > > > >

> > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga, excepting

> > > > for

> > > > >

> > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My sole aim

> > > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the right.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to

> > > > >

> > > > > others. "

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in my

> > > > mails

> > > > >

> > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> > > > >

> > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated verses, let me

> > > > >

> > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to X-post

> > > > here

> > > > >

> > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and particularly

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more confusion

> > > > >

> > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by snapping

> > > > >

> > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with baited

> > > > >

> > > > > breath!!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can

> > > > change!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my prediction

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted earlier!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that

> > > > insist

> > > > >

> > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " VJha "

> > > > >

> > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used feline

> > > > >

> > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten year

> > > > >

> > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine reference,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to

> > > > >

> > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously scholarly

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or akaasha or

> > > > >

> > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and

> > > > >

> > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is difficult

> > > > >

> > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be capable

> > > > >

> > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching someone!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly REALITY

> > > > where

> > > > >

> > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am doing

> > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at you.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > requirements

> > > > >

> > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers lack. Those

> > > > >

> > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at least

> > > > for

> > > > >

> > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who is

> > > > really

> > > > >

> > > > > confused.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous views must

> > > > >

> > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed gurus.

> > > > >

> > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated by

> > > > >

> > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or even

> > > > respect

> > > > >

> > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals goes in

> > > > vain.

> > > > >

> > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot accept it

> > > > >

> > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them were

> > > > wrong

> > > > >

> > > > > ???

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= === ============

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree, just

> > > > as

> > > > >

> > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your role in

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > com,

> > > > >

> > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > thread-header

> > > > >

> > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of

> > > > lightning

> > > > >

> > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying attention!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of discussing

> > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained from

> > > > >

> > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored topics of

> > > > >

> > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== ===

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > com,

> > > > >

> > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > >

> > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant

> > > > >

> > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were

> > > > >

> > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for Jupiter

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He lives and

> > > > >

> > > > > rules from!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive, pay

> > > > >

> > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your jupiter is

> > > > >

> > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly obsessed with

> > > > >

> > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other planets

> > > > >

> > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather

> > > > clearly

> > > > >

> > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas' that

> > > > show

> > > > >

> > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going through

> > > > in

> > > > >

> > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed! USA is

> > > > on

> > > > >

> > > > > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Some posts in this thread escaped my attentiuon, esp by Suresh Ji, perhaps

because I am on tour and find little time for internet.

 

Today I saw a post by Suresh Ji in which he cited " anyasthaadarshaadiH " and

" " same adarshaadiH " from different editions of Jaimini. He broke

" anyasthaadarshaadiH " as " anyathaa darshaadihi " instead of as " anyathaa

aadarshaadiH " . Thus, the two editions differ only in " anyathaa " being replaced

with " same " which make no semantic difference. Such differences in manuscripts

is found in a large number of ancient texts and is perhaps due to errors in

memorization in ancient ages.

 

The meaning is thus :

 

In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi to next

in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

 

 

If we replace Adarsh with Darsh, the sutras become senseless. Then, first sutra

would refer to one topic and next sutra to another, which is ruled out by the

syntax. Such problems can be solved by consulting Sanskrit scholars, not by

deriding them. It is foolish to waste one's time in shaastraarthas over internet

which has no regulating authority. Why these people do not visit Sanskrit

universities and take the opinions of variuous scholars?? Internet is not a

reliable source of authentic academic opinion.

 

-VJ

============================ ===

In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3) it is

given as

" viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

" anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

 

While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

give

" viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

" same adarshaadiH "

 

Look at the difference in the two versions.

 

One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

 

Which version is correct?

 

And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Mohit " <mohitvirmani33 wrote:

>

> Superb once again Respected Swami RC Ji....

>

> , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> >

> > 1.**Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one

way each going well under different contexts**

> >

> > This applies to sutra also. Not because they were in codified Sanskrit but

great wisdom is interwoven.Further many times all possible interpretations are

found correct.

> >

> > This is what I illustrated simply quoting application of Navamsa dasa one

for judging longevity.

> > But this as method of longevity is used for apmritya (accidental death due

to evil karmas done in this life because of faulty views one has about

world.)Not otherwise.

> > Say someone is terrorist He may have a viewpoint what he is doing is

perfectly right. No logic can prove and convince him that He is wrong. Here

apply Navamsa ayaus dasa.

> > We apply Navamsa dasa as Phalit to see events that has focus on vision about

society Than Navamsa dasa apply. The method of application is different for male

and female native.

> > This all is derived only from two sutra you mentioned whose texts are

slightly at variance . I quoted in my last mail also. how sutra have appeared.

> > If what I write is found in application replicable in actual analysis

automatically It implies one has understood sutra correctly.

> > Obviously It is quite different from collecting commentaries but derivation

of application are funneled from earlier commentators.

> > If we take two sutra of say chapter Three, about Presya. All on this earth

from micro to macro is derivable about service . Preshya is term employed by

Sutrakar. It means one who do errends to king.

> > Unless one studies sutra in manner called for secret are hidden.

> >

> > Many commentators has said Ch 3 and 4 are interpolated and uncorrelated .

However the other view is prevalent that Jaimini complied/ wrote eight chapters

and only four are left.

> >

> > Hope if read carefully I have taken space of group only for technical

expression giving practical approach….

> > 2. " However, there is something like core logic which should correspond well

with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system. Persons

who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from that

base only. Otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could be

reached. "

> > Dear friends Jaimini the creator of sutra is fond of strict in discipline.

No error is tolerated. Ketu is mathematical in approach. Lord Ganesh is

overloard on Ketu.

> > Both Ketu and ganesh are related with episode of loosing head from body.

Underlying theme is Sutra need arrival of accurate conclusion by application. If

one has deviated a little Conclusion could be headless.

> > Here comes he need of guru to guide the students, That's why Sutra

literature may be jyotish or related to other subjects emphasizes role of

Bhaysa and Guru parampra.

> > 3. " The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process "

> > Jaimini works beautifully but calls for life time dedication.

> > With regards.

> > RC

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rcs ji,

> > >

> > > //As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

> > > critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is

> > > no easy task.But there is no other way.//

> > >

> > > Exactly my point. It would have been far better and useful if the

discussions were on such level rather than centering on " I' and " You " .

> > >

> > > Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one way

each going well under different contexts.

> > >

> > > However, there is something like core logic which should correspond well

with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system. Persons

who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from that

base only. otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could be

reached.

> > >

> > > The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process.

> > >

> > > With all those unwarranted emotions running wild, how far could Internet

be a good place for such intelligent & scholarly debates?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@>

> > >

> > > Thu, April 1, 2010 4:53:55 AM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

***

> > > Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or,

> > > consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are

> > > absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to

him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > 2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ sureshbabuag

> > > Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

> > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures//

> > > absolutely true.

> > > However, look at this.

> > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > > it is given as

> > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no

193,

> > > give

> > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > Which version is correct?

> > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ****8

> > > Dear Friends

> > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures//

> > > absolutely true.

> > > So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are unreliable and

only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach vedanga & jyotish

subjects. Yes Fine.

> > > Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of original

scripture lying in libraries?

> > > I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle from

sutra. I stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is worked

out for phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am inclined

to think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

> > > Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit before

the commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

> > > A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das laxmivenkayteshwar

kalian Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and contains lot of guidance

from vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This was based on commentary

by Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest two were in Sanskrit

only without commentary.

> > > Next about sutra I referred.

> > > There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to

question phrased.

> > > I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of

applicability of dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by

P.S.Shastri and others . It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote

translation of Sr P.S.Sastri FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as

2.1.55 so his commentary assumes different context. But I did not wrote it in my

posting.

> > > I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

> > > Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It is

vital point pointed by him.

> > > But such differences are common among text copies.

> > > My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain Rao and

also given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya. . However In

version of P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in

adarshaadiH " .

> > > By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I

Rangacharya.

> > > This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to copy of

hand written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus publications

made available are only source for basic introduction. However sutra literature

calls for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for that very purpose

> > > Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of

sammukha and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri

and calls dasa as darpan dasa.

> > > Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three variants.

As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to critically

examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy task.But

there is no other way.

> > > Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas and

teacher to bring light.

> > > . He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish

only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or

PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

> > > Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught the

principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

> > > What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I am

saying that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only

mentioned it is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I

did correctly mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in

support of my understanding.

> > > I could not understand What hurts any one.

> > > Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I stop

here tonight.

> > > With best regards.

> > > RC.

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on

> > > > > ancient scriptures//

> > > > >

> > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > > > >

> > > > > it is given as

> > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > >

> > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page

no 193,

> > > > > give

> > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > >

> > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > >

> > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of

" a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > >

> > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > >

> > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows he

is distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned

again and again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun,

which is impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is

obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of

Vimshottari Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

appears to be an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in

which Mercury and Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> > > > >

> > > > > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position in

D1 only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's positions

in those vargas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary

positions in D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed

from Lagna of D1.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep

respect for him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> > > > >

> > > > > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what is

the use of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into

following charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose

dashaas are running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but

affects almost all topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A

comprehensive assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these

charts gives a final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his

suggestions are valid.

> > > > >

> > > > > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of Moon's

positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither supported

by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and not

from D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44) which

give exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini Sutra. Why

RCS ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to quote

Jaimini Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not clear.

Perhaps he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting from

some imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed from

varga chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or D9,

as Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed. The

latter diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my statements

out of context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and Venus in

Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " may not

be applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such

combinations appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me)

has NOT worked out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of

Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from

Jaimini Sutra) was already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from

Jaimini because the context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to

RCS.

> > > > >

> > > > > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is

hidden in traditions " . Which tradition ?

> > > > >

> > > > > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign

in the divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also

justifying use of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1

serves well in Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> > > > >

> > > > > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages where I

said the same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of

the sign in the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a

varga is one thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that

varga is another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my

views to prove me wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS says

: " Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of aspect

in divisional charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual term

is Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted from

left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

> > > > >

> > > > > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > > > > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> > > > >

> > > > > The meaning is very simple :

> > > > >

> > > > > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that (raashi

of lagna),

> > > > > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction "

(Adarsha) from Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two

chapters, but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four

chapters. Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that

university and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about

Adarsha. Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional

secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like

me).

> > > > >

> > > > > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

> > > > > charts you examined? "

> > > > >

> > > > > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar Arudhas

Argala and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives in

particular provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> > > > >

> > > > > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless

he shows me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> > > > >

> > > > > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail, together

with the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never explained by any

commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg was mentioned in

previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it mentions some

extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be easily deduced

from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good gatis then all

mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate always. I was

abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and the abuser,

whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in my logic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ?? Here, I

fine a Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting my

statements merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit

texts properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces

wrong interpretations, I must state the truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of AD.

Raj Jyotishis know more than me.

> > > > >

> > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > > > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@ ..>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my attention.

If I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved herein, with a

view to awaken interest.

> > > > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as below.

> > > > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha

need some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha

dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.

Some academic discussion based on some reference at some point of time

becomes half baked thought "

> > > > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the

guidelines for D1

> > > > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to Natal

Chart positions only

> > > > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas charts

too was cited

> > > > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing are

finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to twist

original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find no

reference in ancient texts

> > > > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is that

they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of

events

> > > > > > My attempt to

> > > > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not describe

Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10 dasa making

42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in Navamsa D 9

Chart.

> > > > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini Upadesh

Sutra describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very important

dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The

fact is the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However

There is slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and

kalinga tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is not

correct:

> > > > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or

PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That

Native is endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own

people. Thus its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should not be

studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of sight.

Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many

astrologer teach assuming

> > > > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also. However

Barring a few exception .

> > > > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for Main

ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor 34

and commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The

dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as

well.

> > > > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect in

divisional charts.

> > > > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless

specially hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which

sloka is talked about.

> > > > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted

views of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls

for explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements

of Kendradigati etc .

> > > > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well in

Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show that

opinion expressed

> > > > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little vision

I have formed.

> > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > RC

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from True

> > > > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including Phaladeepika'

s 7th

> > > > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas, there

will

> > > > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of dashaas

will be

> > > > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas to

only

> > > > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types "

( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha d-

> > > > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj edition

retains

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga

dashaas is

> > > > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching

with

> > > > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita, they

are

> > > > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem Ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.

Vimshottari

> > > > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal Chart.

> > > > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha

need

> > > > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out Navamsha

> > > > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be defined.

> > > > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic

discussion

> > > > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half baked

thought

> > > > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to the

> > > > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to Natal

Chart

> > > > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter 7

> > > > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after

reading

> > > > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider aspects

in

> > > > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal lagna

> > > > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1 has

aspectsof

> > > > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions in

> > > > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas, it

is

> > > > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till some

thing

> > > > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not

> > > > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Â

Wisemen Can

> > > > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of

BPHS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot

be

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern

researchers

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types

of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name

the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions

> > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are

drawn

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram

Jha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any

reason

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or

> > > > > > > earlier

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known

dashaas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of

D1

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its

position in

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an

error in

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some

software

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But

there is

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my software

for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has

aspects

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before

the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten

years you

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never intended

to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be

twisted in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility

in

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there

are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you

have no

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you

if

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle

( " gutthie " )

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have

made

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told such

> > > > > > > things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting "

person

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must be

parked

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how

long

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne

time

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent

from many

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for

you but

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously

have

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the

next

> > > > > > > sloka!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to

park

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of the

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners

without

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then

return to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to

tackle

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called

REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone

MUST

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting,

Venus

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to

expose

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on

BPHS

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to

discuss my

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > persona??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even

informing

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is

internet

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being

in

> > > > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them,

but the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of

BPHS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this

idea

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not

mean

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up

of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the

meaning

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread

to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me

or for

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within

seconds?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that

> > > > > > > dissolves

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and

> > > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name

wished

> > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up

to

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in

5th, 6th,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of

BPHS

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS

??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to

post

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > here :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made

this

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently.

Those

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion

concerning

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not

SANTOSH.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on blind

> > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga,

excepting

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My

sole aim

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the

right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > others. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in

my

> > > > > > > mails

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus

or

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated verses,

let me

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to

X-post

> > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more

confusion

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by

snapping

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with

baited

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can

> > > > > > > change!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my

prediction

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted

earlier!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that

> > > > > > > insist

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used

feline

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten

year

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine

reference,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously

scholarly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or

akaasha or

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is

difficult

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be

capable

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching

someone!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly

REALITY

> > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am

doing

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at

you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers lack.

Those

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at

least

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who is

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > confused.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous

views must

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed

gurus.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated

by

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or even

> > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals goes

in

> > > > > > > vain.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot

accept it

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them

were

> > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ???

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

============

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree,

just

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your

role in

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > thread-header

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of

> > > > > > > lightning

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying

attention!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of

discussing

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained

from

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored

topics of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== ===

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather

brilliant

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we

were

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for

Jupiter

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He

lives and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive,

pay

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your

jupiter is

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly

obsessed with

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other

planets

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather

> > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas'

that

> > > > > > > show

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going

through

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed!

USA is

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Following webpage gives a summary of how KCD ought to be computed :

 

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

 

Initially. I had pasted there a message earlier sent by me to another astrologer

(Mr PVR Narasimha Rao) who was refuting a novel stand on KCD by a third

astrologer (Pt Sanjay Rath). A fourth astrologer intervened and wrongly cited

" 56 stanzan " on AD in BPHS, which led me to a wrong conclusion that some members

are careless. Hence, I asked him to show the proof of AD in KCD, which confused

some other members.

 

I have removed all this 'rubbish' from the webpage and the standard version is

now there, which had already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

Experimentation is a a good thing in Jyotisha, but only after the traditional

method fails to work. Those who reject traditional methods without testing need

not be tested.

 

-VJ

=============================== ===

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Some posts in this thread escaped my attentiuon, esp by Suresh Ji, perhaps

because I am on tour and find little time for internet.

>

> Today I saw a post by Suresh Ji in which he cited " anyasthaadarshaadiH " and

" " same adarshaadiH " from different editions of Jaimini. He broke

" anyasthaadarshaadiH " as " anyathaa darshaadihi " instead of as " anyathaa

aadarshaadiH " . Thus, the two editions differ only in " anyathaa " being replaced

with " same " which make no semantic difference. Such differences in manuscripts

is found in a large number of ancient texts and is perhaps due to errors in

memorization in ancient ages.

>

> The meaning is thus :

>

> In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

> In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi to

next in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

>

>

> If we replace Adarsh with Darsh, the sutras become senseless. Then, first

sutra would refer to one topic and next sutra to another, which is ruled out by

the syntax. Such problems can be solved by consulting Sanskrit scholars, not by

deriding them. It is foolish to waste one's time in shaastraarthas over internet

which has no regulating authority. Why these people do not visit Sanskrit

universities and take the opinions of variuous scholars?? Internet is not a

reliable source of authentic academic opinion.

>

> -VJ

> ============================ ===

> In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3) it is

given as

> " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

>

> While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

give

> " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> " same adarshaadiH "

>

> Look at the difference in the two versions.

>

> One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

> pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

>

> Which version is correct?

>

> And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

>

>

>

>

>

, " Mohit " <mohitvirmani33@> wrote:

> >

> > Superb once again Respected Swami RC Ji....

> >

> > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sirs,

> > >

> > > 1.**Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one

way each going well under different contexts**

> > >

> > > This applies to sutra also. Not because they were in codified Sanskrit but

great wisdom is interwoven.Further many times all possible interpretations are

found correct.

> > >

> > > This is what I illustrated simply quoting application of Navamsa dasa one

for judging longevity.

> > > But this as method of longevity is used for apmritya (accidental death due

to evil karmas done in this life because of faulty views one has about

world.)Not otherwise.

> > > Say someone is terrorist He may have a viewpoint what he is doing is

perfectly right. No logic can prove and convince him that He is wrong. Here

apply Navamsa ayaus dasa.

> > > We apply Navamsa dasa as Phalit to see events that has focus on vision

about society Than Navamsa dasa apply. The method of application is different

for male and female native.

> > > This all is derived only from two sutra you mentioned whose texts are

slightly at variance . I quoted in my last mail also. how sutra have appeared.

> > > If what I write is found in application replicable in actual analysis

automatically It implies one has understood sutra correctly.

> > > Obviously It is quite different from collecting commentaries but

derivation of application are funneled from earlier commentators.

> > > If we take two sutra of say chapter Three, about Presya. All on this earth

from micro to macro is derivable about service . Preshya is term employed by

Sutrakar. It means one who do errends to king.

> > > Unless one studies sutra in manner called for secret are hidden.

> > >

> > > Many commentators has said Ch 3 and 4 are interpolated and uncorrelated .

However the other view is prevalent that Jaimini complied/ wrote eight chapters

and only four are left.

> > >

> > > Hope if read carefully I have taken space of group only for technical

expression giving practical approach….

> > > 2. " However, there is something like core logic which should correspond

well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system.

Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from

that base only. Otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could

be reached. "

> > > Dear friends Jaimini the creator of sutra is fond of strict in discipline.

No error is tolerated. Ketu is mathematical in approach. Lord Ganesh is

overloard on Ketu.

> > > Both Ketu and ganesh are related with episode of loosing head from body.

Underlying theme is Sutra need arrival of accurate conclusion by application. If

one has deviated a little Conclusion could be headless.

> > > Here comes he need of guru to guide the students, That's why Sutra

literature may be jyotish or related to other subjects emphasizes role of

Bhaysa and Guru parampra.

> > > 3. " The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process "

> > > Jaimini works beautifully but calls for life time dedication.

> > > With regards.

> > > RC

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rcs ji,

> > > >

> > > > //As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

> > > > critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is

> > > > no easy task.But there is no other way.//

> > > >

> > > > Exactly my point. It would have been far better and useful if the

discussions were on such level rather than centering on " I' and " You " .

> > > >

> > > > Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one

way each going well under different contexts.

> > > >

> > > > However, there is something like core logic which should correspond well

with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system. Persons

who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from that

base only. otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could be

reached.

> > > >

> > > > The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process.

> > > >

> > > > With all those unwarranted emotions running wild, how far could Internet

be a good place for such intelligent & scholarly debates?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@>

> > > >

> > > > Thu, April 1, 2010 4:53:55 AM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

***

> > > > Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or,

> > > > consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are

> > > > absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to

him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > 2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ sureshbabuag

> > > > Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

> > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > absolutely true.

> > > > However, look at this.

> > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > > > it is given as

> > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no

193,

> > > > give

> > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ****8

> > > > Dear Friends

> > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > absolutely true.

> > > > So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are unreliable

and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach vedanga &

jyotish subjects. Yes Fine.

> > > > Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of

original scripture lying in libraries?

> > > > I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle from

sutra. I stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is worked

out for phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am inclined

to think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

> > > > Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit

before the commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

> > > > A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das laxmivenkayteshwar

kalian Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and contains lot of guidance

from vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This was based on commentary

by Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest two were in Sanskrit

only without commentary.

> > > > Next about sutra I referred.

> > > > There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to

question phrased.

> > > > I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of

applicability of dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by

P.S.Shastri and others . It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote

translation of Sr P.S.Sastri FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as

2.1.55 so his commentary assumes different context. But I did not wrote it in my

posting.

> > > > I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

> > > > Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It is

vital point pointed by him.

> > > > But such differences are common among text copies.

> > > > My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain Rao

and also given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya. . However In

version of P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in

adarshaadiH " .

> > > > By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I

Rangacharya.

> > > > This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to copy of

hand written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus publications

made available are only source for basic introduction. However sutra literature

calls for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for that very purpose

> > > > Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of

sammukha and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri

and calls dasa as darpan dasa.

> > > > Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three

variants. As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy

task.But there is no other way.

> > > > Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas and

teacher to bring light.

> > > > . He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj

jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM

or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

> > > > Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught the

principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

> > > > What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I am

saying that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only

mentioned it is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I

did correctly mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in

support of my understanding.

> > > > I could not understand What hurts any one.

> > > > Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I stop

here tonight.

> > > > With best regards.

> > > > RC.

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on

> > > > > > ancient scriptures//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2

pada-3)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it is given as

> > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page

no 193,

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of

" a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows he

is distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned

again and again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun,

which is impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is

obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of

Vimshottari Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

appears to be an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in

which Mercury and Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position

in D1 only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's

positions in those vargas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary

positions in D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed

from Lagna of D1.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep

respect for him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what is

the use of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into

following charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose

dashaas are running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but

affects almost all topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A

comprehensive assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these

charts gives a final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his

suggestions are valid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of

Moon's positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither

supported by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and

not from D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44)

which give exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini

Sutra. Why RCS ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to

quote Jaimini Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not

clear. Perhaps he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting

from some imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed

from varga chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or

D9, as Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed.

The latter diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my

statements out of context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

may not be applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such

combinations appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me)

has NOT worked out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of

Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from

Jaimini Sutra) was already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from

Jaimini because the context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to

RCS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is

hidden in traditions " . Which tradition ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign

in the divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also

justifying use of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1

serves well in Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages where I

said the same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of

the sign in the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a

varga is one thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that

varga is another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my

views to prove me wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS

says : " Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of

aspect in divisional charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual

term is Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted

from left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > > > > > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The meaning is very simple :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that

(raashi of lagna),

> > > > > > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction "

(Adarsha) from Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two

chapters, but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four

chapters. Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that

university and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about

Adarsha. Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional

secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like

me).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

> > > > > > charts you examined? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives

in particular provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless

he shows me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail,

together with the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never

explained by any commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg

was mentioned in previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it

mentions some extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be

easily deduced from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good

gatis then all mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate

always. I was abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and

the abuser, whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in

my logic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ?? Here,

I fine a Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting my

statements merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit

texts properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces

wrong interpretations, I must state the truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of

AD. Raj Jyotishis know more than me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > > > > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@

...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my

attention. If I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved

herein, with a view to awaken interest.

> > > > > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as

below.

> > > > > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha

dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.

Some academic discussion based on some reference at some point of time

becomes half baked thought "

> > > > > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the

guidelines for D1

> > > > > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to

Natal Chart positions only

> > > > > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas charts

too was cited

> > > > > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing

are finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to

twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find

no reference in ancient texts

> > > > > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is

that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of

events

> > > > > > > My attempt to

> > > > > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not

describe Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10

dasa making 42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in

Navamsa D 9 Chart.

> > > > > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini Upadesh

Sutra describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very important

dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The

fact is the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However

There is slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and

kalinga tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is

not correct:

> > > > > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or

PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That

Native is endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own

people. Thus its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should not

be studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of

sight. Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many

astrologer teach assuming

> > > > > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also. However

Barring a few exception .

> > > > > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for

Main ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor 34

and commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The

dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as

well.

> > > > > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect

in divisional charts.

> > > > > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless

specially hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which

sloka is talked about.

> > > > > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted

views of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls

for explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements

of Kendradigati etc .

> > > > > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well

in Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show that

opinion expressed

> > > > > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little

vision I have formed.

> > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > RC

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from

True

> > > > > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including

Phaladeepika' s 7th

> > > > > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas,

there will

> > > > > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of dashaas

will be

> > > > > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas

to only

> > > > > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types "

( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha d-

> > > > > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj edition

retains

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga

dashaas is

> > > > > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching

with

> > > > > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita,

they are

> > > > > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem Ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.

Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal Chart.

> > > > > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha

need

> > > > > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out

Navamsha

> > > > > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be

defined.

> > > > > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic

discussion

> > > > > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half baked

thought

> > > > > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to the

> > > > > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to

Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter 7

> > > > > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after

reading

> > > > > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider

aspects in

> > > > > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal lagna

> > > > > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1 has

aspectsof

> > > > > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions in

> > > > > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas, it

is

> > > > > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till

some thing

> > > > > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is

not

> > > > > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Â

Wisemen Can

> > > > > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of

BPHS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha.

For

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious

verses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas

cannot be

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern

researchers

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42

types of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even

name the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions

nine

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions

> > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9

:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are

drawn

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt

Sitaram Jha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any

reason

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts

or

> > > > > > > > earlier

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known

dashaas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of

D1

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its

position in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an

error in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some

software

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But

there is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my

software for

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has

aspects

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before

the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot

classify

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten

years you

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never

intended to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be

twisted in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a

possibility in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there

are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you

have no

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to

you if

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle

( " gutthie " )

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not

have made

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told

such

> > > > > > > > things.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting "

person

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must

be parked

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for

how long

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have

somne time

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent

from many

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for

you but

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you

obviously have

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the

next

> > > > > > > > sloka!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world

have

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage

to park

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of

the

> > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners

without

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then

return to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to

tackle

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called

REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits!

Everyone MUST

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is

disgusting, Venus

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to

expose

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion

on BPHS

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to

discuss my

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > persona??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even

informing

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is

internet

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury

being in

> > > > > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them,

but the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this

idea

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not

mean

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made

up of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the

meaning

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the

thread to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to

discuss

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me

or for

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within

seconds?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that

> > > > > > > > dissolves

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name

and

> > > > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name

wished

> > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live

up to

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in

5th, 6th,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of

BPHS

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in

BPHS ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected

to post

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > here :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself

made this

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently.

Those

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion

concerning

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not

SANTOSH.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on

blind

> > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga,

excepting

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My

sole aim

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in

the right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it

to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > others. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in

my

> > > > > > > > mails

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD,

Venus or

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated

verses, let me

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to

X-post

> > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA

forum

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make

publicly!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more

confusion

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by

snapping

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with

baited

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not

prophesy!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will

can

> > > > > > > > change!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my

prediction

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted

earlier!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones

that

> > > > > > > > insist

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used

feline

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten

year

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine

reference,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as

to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously

scholarly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or

akaasha or

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense

and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is

difficult

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be

capable

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching

someone!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly

REALITY

> > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am

doing

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at

you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers

lack. Those

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at

least

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who

is

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > confused.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous

views must

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their

wrong-headed gurus.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is

generated by

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or

even

> > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals

goes in

> > > > > > > > vain.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot

accept it

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them

were

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ???

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

============

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong

tree, just

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your

role in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that

forum!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > thread-header

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of

> > > > > > > > lightning

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying

attention!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of

discussing

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained

from

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored

topics of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= =====

===

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather

brilliant

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if

we were

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He

lives and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts

arrive, pay

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your

jupiter is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly

obsessed with

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other

planets

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their

rather

> > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas'

that

> > > > > > > > show

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going

through

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

To All :

 

Accurate method of computing MD of KCD is not given in any available text of

BPHS. I have described both the crude and accurate methods at following webpage

:

 

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

 

The matter under Computation of MD is as follows :

 

" According to BPHS, the elapsed time, in ghatis and palas, of the pada of the

birth nakshatra should be multiplied with the Dash & #257; period and then divided

with 15, the result will be expired period (dash & #257;). The balance period is

derived by substracting this expired period from total period.

 

Each pada of a nakshatra has a particular param & #257;yu (life-span) in KCD.

 

One pada lasts for 15 ghatis on the average. That is why Elapsed-time (in

ghatis) is divided with 15 to get the magnitude of Elapsed-pade, which is then

multiplied with Life-span of that pada to get the Expired-period. But 15 ghatis

for a pada or 60 ghatis for a nakshatra is a crude average and does not give a

correct figure for Expired-period. If accurate value of True Moon at the time of

birth is known, it can be used to compute the expired and remaining portions of

the pada of birth-nakshatra, which can be multiplied with life-span of that pada

to get accurate value of expired and balance periods of MD of KCD. "

 

Another novelty in my article is the analysis of KCD's gatis. Available texts of

BPHS describe only the bad gatis. But KCD has good gatis also, otherwise all

natives will edxperience only misfortunes throughout their lives.

 

Unfortunately, three astrologers are irritated with my article and instead of

refuting my points in a logical manner, they are levelling baseless charges on

me (eg, I will add confusion to Jyotish, I should keep away from internet, I am

a fake person with many pseudo IDs, etc). I do not care for such personal and

false comments. I request unbiased members to review my article about KCD at

aforementioned webpage and decide for themselves. KCD is a very important system

for timing of events and must be used by all Vedic astrologers in a proper

manner.

 

Some well known astrologewrs are distorting KCD's traditional definitions, but

no one is asking them to stop adding confusions to Jyotisha.

 

-VJ

=========================== ===

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Following webpage gives a summary of how KCD ought to be computed :

>

> http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

>

> Initially. I had pasted there a message earlier sent by me to another

astrologer (Mr PVR Narasimha Rao) who was refuting a novel stand on KCD by a

third astrologer (Pt Sanjay Rath). A fourth astrologer intervened and wrongly

cited " 56 stanzan " on AD in BPHS, which led me to a wrong conclusion that some

members are careless. Hence, I asked him to show the proof of AD in KCD, which

confused some other members.

>

> I have removed all this 'rubbish' from the webpage and the standard version is

now there, which had already been worked out in Kundalee Software.

Experimentation is a a good thing in Jyotisha, but only after the traditional

method fails to work. Those who reject traditional methods without testing need

not be tested.

>

> -VJ

> =============================== ===

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Some posts in this thread escaped my attentiuon, esp by Suresh Ji, perhaps

because I am on tour and find little time for internet.

> >

> > Today I saw a post by Suresh Ji in which he cited " anyasthaadarshaadiH " and

" " same adarshaadiH " from different editions of Jaimini. He broke

" anyasthaadarshaadiH " as " anyathaa darshaadihi " instead of as " anyathaa

aadarshaadiH " . Thus, the two editions differ only in " anyathaa " being replaced

with " same " which make no semantic difference. Such differences in manuscripts

is found in a large number of ancient texts and is perhaps due to errors in

memorization in ancient ages.

> >

> > The meaning is thus :

> >

> > In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

> > In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi to

next in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

> >

> >

> > If we replace Adarsh with Darsh, the sutras become senseless. Then, first

sutra would refer to one topic and next sutra to another, which is ruled out by

the syntax. Such problems can be solved by consulting Sanskrit scholars, not by

deriding them. It is foolish to waste one's time in shaastraarthas over internet

which has no regulating authority. Why these people do not visit Sanskrit

universities and take the opinions of variuous scholars?? Internet is not a

reliable source of authentic academic opinion.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============================ ===

> > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3) it is

given as

> > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> >

> > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

give

> > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > " same adarshaadiH "

> >

> > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> >

> > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

> > pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> >

> > Which version is correct?

> >

> > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Mohit " <mohitvirmani33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Superb once again Respected Swami RC Ji....

> > >

> > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > >

> > > > 1.**Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than

one way each going well under different contexts**

> > > >

> > > > This applies to sutra also. Not because they were in codified Sanskrit

but great wisdom is interwoven.Further many times all possible interpretations

are found correct.

> > > >

> > > > This is what I illustrated simply quoting application of Navamsa dasa

one for judging longevity.

> > > > But this as method of longevity is used for apmritya (accidental death

due to evil karmas done in this life because of faulty views one has about

world.)Not otherwise.

> > > > Say someone is terrorist He may have a viewpoint what he is doing is

perfectly right. No logic can prove and convince him that He is wrong. Here

apply Navamsa ayaus dasa.

> > > > We apply Navamsa dasa as Phalit to see events that has focus on vision

about society Than Navamsa dasa apply. The method of application is different

for male and female native.

> > > > This all is derived only from two sutra you mentioned whose texts are

slightly at variance . I quoted in my last mail also. how sutra have appeared.

> > > > If what I write is found in application replicable in actual analysis

automatically It implies one has understood sutra correctly.

> > > > Obviously It is quite different from collecting commentaries but

derivation of application are funneled from earlier commentators.

> > > > If we take two sutra of say chapter Three, about Presya. All on this

earth from micro to macro is derivable about service . Preshya is term employed

by Sutrakar. It means one who do errends to king.

> > > > Unless one studies sutra in manner called for secret are hidden.

> > > >

> > > > Many commentators has said Ch 3 and 4 are interpolated and uncorrelated

.. However the other view is prevalent that Jaimini complied/ wrote eight

chapters and only four are left.

> > > >

> > > > Hope if read carefully I have taken space of group only for technical

expression giving practical approach….

> > > > 2. " However, there is something like core logic which should correspond

well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system.

Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from

that base only. Otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could

be reached. "

> > > > Dear friends Jaimini the creator of sutra is fond of strict in

discipline. No error is tolerated. Ketu is mathematical in approach. Lord Ganesh

is overloard on Ketu.

> > > > Both Ketu and ganesh are related with episode of loosing head from

body. Underlying theme is Sutra need arrival of accurate conclusion by

application. If one has deviated a little Conclusion could be headless.

> > > > Here comes he need of guru to guide the students, That's why Sutra

literature may be jyotish or related to other subjects emphasizes role of

Bhaysa and Guru parampra.

> > > > 3. " The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process "

> > > > Jaimini works beautifully but calls for life time dedication.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > RC

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rcs ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

> > > > > critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is

> > > > > no easy task.But there is no other way.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly my point. It would have been far better and useful if the

discussions were on such level rather than centering on " I' and " You " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one

way each going well under different contexts.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, there is something like core logic which should correspond

well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system.

Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from

that base only. otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could

be reached.

> > > > >

> > > > > The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process.

> > > > >

> > > > > With all those unwarranted emotions running wild, how far could

Internet be a good place for such intelligent & scholarly debates?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thu, April 1, 2010 4:53:55 AM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ***

> > > > > Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or,

> > > > > consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are

> > > > > absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known

to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > > 2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ sureshbabuag

> > > > > Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

> > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > > > > it is given as

> > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page

no 193,

> > > > > give

> > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of

" a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****8

> > > > > Dear Friends

> > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are unreliable

and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach vedanga &

jyotish subjects. Yes Fine.

> > > > > Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of

original scripture lying in libraries?

> > > > > I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle from

sutra. I stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is worked

out for phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am inclined

to think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

> > > > > Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit

before the commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

> > > > > A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das

laxmivenkayteshwar kalian Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and

contains lot of guidance from vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This

was based on commentary by Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest

two were in Sanskrit only without commentary.

> > > > > Next about sutra I referred.

> > > > > There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to

question phrased.

> > > > > I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of

applicability of dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by

P.S.Shastri and others . It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote

translation of Sr P.S.Sastri FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as

2.1.55 so his commentary assumes different context. But I did not wrote it in my

posting.

> > > > > I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

> > > > > Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It is

vital point pointed by him.

> > > > > But such differences are common among text copies.

> > > > > My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain Rao

and also given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya. . However In

version of P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in

adarshaadiH " .

> > > > > By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I

Rangacharya.

> > > > > This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to copy

of hand written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus

publications made available are only source for basic introduction. However

sutra literature calls for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for

that very purpose

> > > > > Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of

sammukha and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri

and calls dasa as darpan dasa.

> > > > > Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three

variants. As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy

task.But there is no other way.

> > > > > Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas

and teacher to bring light.

> > > > > . He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj

jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > > But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM

or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

> > > > > Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught

the principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

> > > > > What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I

am saying that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only

mentioned it is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I

did correctly mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in

support of my understanding.

> > > > > I could not understand What hurts any one.

> > > > > Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I stop

here tonight.

> > > > > With best regards.

> > > > > RC.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on

> > > > > > > ancient scriptures//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2

pada-3)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it is given as

> > > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications,

Page no 193,

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction

of " a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows

he is distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned

again and again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun,

which is impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is

obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of

Vimshottari Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

appears to be an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in

which Mercury and Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position

in D1 only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's

positions in those vargas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary

positions in D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed

from Lagna of D1.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep

respect for him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what

is the use of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into

following charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose

dashaas are running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but

affects almost all topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A

comprehensive assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these

charts gives a final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his

suggestions are valid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of

Moon's positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither

supported by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and

not from D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44)

which give exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini

Sutra. Why RCS ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to

quote Jaimini Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not

clear. Perhaps he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting

from some imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed

from varga chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or

D9, as Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed.

The latter diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my

statements out of context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

may not be applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such

combinations appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me)

has NOT worked out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of

Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from

Jaimini Sutra) was already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from

Jaimini because the context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to

RCS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is

hidden in traditions " . Which tradition ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the

sign in the divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also

justifying use of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1

serves well in Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages where

I said the same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of

the sign in the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a

varga is one thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that

varga is another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my

views to prove me wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS

says : " Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of

aspect in divisional charts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual

term is Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted

from left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > > > > > > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The meaning is very simple :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that

(raashi of lagna),

> > > > > > > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction "

(Adarsha) from Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only

two chapters, but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published

four chapters. Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of

that university and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say

about Adarsha. Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha

in the context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in

these sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow

that Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional

secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like

me).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

> > > > > > > charts you examined? "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives

in particular provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless

he shows me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail,

together with the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never

explained by any commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg

was mentioned in previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it

mentions some extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be

easily deduced from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good

gatis then all mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate

always. I was abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and

the abuser, whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in

my logic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ??

Here, I fine a Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting

my statements merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit

texts properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces

wrong interpretations, I must state the truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of

AD. Raj Jyotishis know more than me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > > > > > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@

...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my

attention. If I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved

herein, with a view to awaken interest.

> > > > > > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as

below.

> > > > > > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha

dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > > > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no

relevance. Some academic discussion based on some reference at some point

of time becomes half baked thought "

> > > > > > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the

guidelines for D1

> > > > > > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to

Natal Chart positions only

> > > > > > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas

charts too was cited

> > > > > > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing

are finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to

twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find

no reference in ancient texts

> > > > > > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is

that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of

events

> > > > > > > > My attempt to

> > > > > > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not

describe Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10

dasa making 42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in

Navamsa D 9 Chart.

> > > > > > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini

Upadesh Sutra describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very

important dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > > > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The

fact is the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However

There is slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and

kalinga tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > > > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is

not correct:

> > > > > > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > > > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM

or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That

Native is endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own

people. Thus its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > > > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should

not be studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of

sight. Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > > > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > > > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many

astrologer teach assuming

> > > > > > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also.

However Barring a few exception .

> > > > > > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for

Main ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > > > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor

34 and commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The

dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as

well.

> > > > > > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect

in divisional charts.

> > > > > > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless

specially hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > > > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which

sloka is talked about.

> > > > > > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted

views of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls

for explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements

of Kendradigati etc .

> > > > > > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves

well in Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > > > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show

that opinion expressed

> > > > > > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little

vision I have formed.

> > > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > > RC

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from

True

> > > > > > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including

Phaladeepika' s 7th

> > > > > > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas,

there will

> > > > > > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of

dashaas will be

> > > > > > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas

to only

> > > > > > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types "

( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha d-

> > > > > > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj

edition retains

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga

dashaas is

> > > > > > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in

matching with

> > > > > > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita,

they are

> > > > > > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem

Ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.

Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal

Chart.

> > > > > > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need

> > > > > > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out

Navamsha

> > > > > > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be

defined.

> > > > > > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic

discussion

> > > > > > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half

baked thought

> > > > > > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to

the

> > > > > > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to

Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter

7

> > > > > > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after

reading

> > > > > > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider

aspects in

> > > > > > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal

lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1

has aspectsof

> > > > > > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions in

> > > > > > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas,

it is

> > > > > > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till

some thing

> > > > > > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is

not

> > > > > > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Â

Wisemen Can

> > > > > > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÂ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

Sub-periods

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha.

For

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious

verses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas

cannot be

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern

researchers

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42

types of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija

||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah|

| "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even

name the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions

nine

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later

editions

> > > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to

D9 :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They

are drawn

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt

Sitaram Jha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth

any reason

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts

or

> > > > > > > > > earlier

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known

dashaas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon

of D1

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its

position in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an

error in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some

software

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But

there is

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my

software for

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1

has aspects

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but

before the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot

classify

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten

years you

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never

intended to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be

twisted in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a

possibility in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if

there are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if

you have no

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to

you if

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked

off " ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle

( " gutthie " )

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not

have made

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told

such

> > > > > > > > > things.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a

" disgusting " person

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must

be parked

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for

how long

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have

somne time

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent

from many

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations

for you but

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you

obviously have

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the

next

> > > > > > > > > sloka!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world

have

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage

to park

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of

the

> > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners

without

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then

return to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience

to tackle

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called

REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits!

Everyone MUST

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is

disgusting, Venus

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as

some

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to

expose

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion

on BPHS

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to

discuss my

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > persona??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even

informing

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is

internet

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury

being in

> > > > > > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with

them, but the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with

this idea

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does

not mean

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made

up of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is

the meaning

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the

thread to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to

discuss

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by

me or for

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within

seconds?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once

that

> > > > > > > > > dissolves

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name

and

> > > > > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name

wished

> > > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live

up to

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in

5th, 6th,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in

BPHS ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > > > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you

neglected to post

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > here :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself

made this

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR

recently. Those

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion

concerning

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not

SANTOSH.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on

blind

> > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga,

excepting

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My

sole aim

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in

the right.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach

it to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > others. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited

in my

> > > > > > > > > mails

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD,

Venus or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which

is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated

verses, let me

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to

X-post

> > > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA

forum

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make

publicly!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more

confusion

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by

snapping

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with

baited

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not

prophesy!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will

can

> > > > > > > > > change!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my

prediction

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted

earlier!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones

that

> > > > > > > > > insist

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have

used feline

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your

ten year

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine

reference,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt

as to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously

scholarly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or

akaasha or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense

and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is

difficult

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to

be capable

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching

someone!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly

REALITY

> > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am

doing

> > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark

at you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers

lack. Those

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me,

at least

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear

who is

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > confused.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous

views must

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their

wrong-headed gurus.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is

generated by

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or

even

> > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals

goes in

> > > > > > > > > vain.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot

accept it

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them

were

> > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

============

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong

tree, just

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about

your role in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that

forum!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > > thread-header

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts

of

> > > > > > > > > lightning

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying

attention!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of

discussing

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I

refrained from

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored

topics of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= =====

===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather

brilliant

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum,

if we were

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He

lives and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts

arrive, pay

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your

jupiter is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly

obsessed with

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other

planets

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their

rather

> > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the

'fitnaas' that

> > > > > > > > > show

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is

going through

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill

passed! USA is

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

rcs ji,

 

sorry to reply late. Already rohini jee has replied it as superb. What else can

I add?

 

regards

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Swami_rcs <swami.rcs

 

Fri, April 2, 2010 12:18:10 AM

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

 

1.**Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one way

each going well under different contexts**

 

This applies to sutra also. Not because they were in codified Sanskrit but great

wisdom is interwoven.Further many times all possible interpretations are found

correct.

 

This is what I illustrated simply quoting application of Navamsa dasa one for

judging longevity.

But this as method of longevity is used for apmritya (accidental death due to

evil karmas done in this life because of faulty views one has about world.)Not

otherwise.

Say someone is terrorist He may have a viewpoint what he is doing is perfectly

right. No logic can prove and convince him that He is wrong. Here apply Navamsa

ayaus dasa.

We apply Navamsa dasa as Phalit to see events that has focus on vision about

society Than Navamsa dasa apply. The method of application is different for male

and female native.

This all is derived only from two sutra you mentioned whose texts are slightly

at variance . I quoted in my last mail also. how sutra have appeared.

If what I write is found in application replicable in actual analysis

automatically It implies one has understood sutra correctly.

Obviously It is quite different from collecting commentaries but derivation of

application are funneled from earlier commentators.

If we take two sutra of say chapter Three, about Presya. All on this earth from

micro to macro is derivable about service . Preshya is term employed by

Sutrakar. It means one who do errends to king.

Unless one studies sutra in manner called for secret are hidden.

 

Many commentators has said Ch 3 and 4 are interpolated and uncorrelated .

However the other view is prevalent that Jaimini complied/ wrote eight chapters

and only four are left.

 

Hope if read carefully I have taken space of group only for technical

expression giving practical approach….

2. " However, there is something like core logic which should correspond well

with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system. Persons

who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from that

base only. Otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could be

reached. "

Dear friends Jaimini the creator of sutra is fond of strict in discipline. No

error is tolerated. Ketu is mathematical in approach. Lord Ganesh is overloard

on Ketu.

Both Ketu and ganesh are related with episode of loosing head from body.

Underlying theme is Sutra need arrival of accurate conclusion by application. If

one has deviated a little Conclusion could be headless.

Here comes he need of guru to guide the students, That's why Sutra literature

may be jyotish or related to other subjects emphasizes role of Bhaysa and Guru

parampra.

3. " The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process "

Jaimini works beautifully but calls for life time dedication.

With regards.

RC

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Rcs ji,

>

> //As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

> critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is

> no easy task.But there is no other way.//

>

> Exactly my point. It would have been far better and useful if the discussions

were on such level rather than centering on " I' and " You " .

>

> Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one way each

going well under different contexts.

>

> However, there is something like core logic which should correspond well with

other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system. Persons who

try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from that base

only. otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could be

reached.

>

> The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness according

that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works and under

what conditions. It is two step process.

>

> With all those unwarranted emotions running wild, how far could Internet be a

good place for such intelligent & scholarly debates?

>

>

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@. ..>

>

> Thu, April 1, 2010 4:53:55 AM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***

> Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on ancient

scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters, but

Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters. Shri

RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university and see

what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha. Or,

> consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the context of

Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these sutras. If some

modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that Rishi, but RCS has

no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel assumptions which are

> absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him

are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> 2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ sureshbabuag

> Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

> //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures//

> absolutely true.

> However, look at this.

> In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> it is given as

> " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

> give

> " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> " same adarshaadiH "

> Look at the difference in the two versions.

> One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> Which version is correct?

> And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ****8

> Dear Friends

> //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures//

> absolutely true.

> So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are unreliable and

only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach vedanga & jyotish

subjects. Yes Fine.

> Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of original

scripture lying in libraries?

> I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle from sutra.

I stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is worked out for

phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am inclined to

think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

> Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit before the

commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

> A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das laxmivenkayteshwar

kalian Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and contains lot of guidance

from vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This was based on commentary

by Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest two were in Sanskrit

only without commentary.

> Next about sutra I referred.

> There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to question

phrased.

> I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of applicability

of dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by P.S.Shastri and others

.. It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote translation of Sr P.S.Sastri

FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as 2.1.55 so his commentary assumes

different context. But I did not wrote it in my posting.

> I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

> Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It is vital

point pointed by him.

> But such differences are common among text copies.

> My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain Rao and

also given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya. . However In

version of P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in

adarshaadiH " .

> By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I

Rangacharya.

> This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to copy of hand

written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus publications made

available are only source for basic introduction. However sutra literature calls

for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for that very purpose

> Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of sammukha

and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri and calls

dasa as darpan dasa.

> Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three variants. As

a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to critically

examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy task.But

there is no other way.

> Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas and

teacher to bring light.

> . He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish

only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or PM

or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

> Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught the

principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

> What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I am saying

that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only mentioned it

is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I did correctly

mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in support of my

understanding.

> I could not understand What hurts any one.

> Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I stop here

tonight.

> With best regards.

> RC.

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

> > > ancient scriptures//

> > >

> > > absolutely true.

> > >

> > > However, look at this.

> > >

> > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > >

> > > it is given as

> > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > >

> > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no

193,

> > > give

> > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > >

> > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > >

> > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > >

> > > Which version is correct?

> > >

> > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > >

> > > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > > To Members,

> > >

> > > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows he is

distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> > >

> > > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned again

and again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and Venus in

Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is obviously an

error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> > >

> > > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of

Vimshottari Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

appears to be an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in

which Mercury and Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> > >

> > > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position in D1

only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's positions in

those vargas.

> > >

> > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary positions

in D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna

of D1.

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep respect

for him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> > >

> > > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what is the

use of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into following

charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose dashaas are

running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but affects almost all

topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A comprehensive

assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these charts gives a

final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his suggestions are

valid.

> > >

> > > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of Moon's

positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither supported

by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> > >

> > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and not from

D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44) which give

exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini Sutra. Why RCS

ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to quote Jaimini

Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not clear. Perhaps

he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting from some

imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed from varga

chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or D9, as

Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed. The

latter diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my statements

out of context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and Venus in

Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " may not

be applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such

combinations appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me)

has NOT worked out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of

Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from

Jaimini Sutra) was already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from

Jaimini because the context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to

RCS.

> > >

> > > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is hidden

in traditions " . Which tradition ?

> > >

> > > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in

the divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying

use of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well

in Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> > >

> > > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages where I said

the same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the

sign in the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a varga is

one thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that varga is

another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my views to

prove me wrong.

> > >

> > > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS says :

" Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of aspect in

divisional charts.

> > >

> > > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual term is

Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted from

left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

> > >

> > > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> > >

> > > The meaning is very simple :

> > >

> > > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that (raashi of

lagna),

> > > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction " (Adarsha)

from Lagna.

> > >

> > > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the context

of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these sutras. If

some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that Rishi, but

RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel assumptions which

are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him

are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > >

> > > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

> > > charts you examined? "

> > >

> > > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar Arudhas

Argala and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives in

particular provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> > >

> > > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar Arudhas

Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless he shows

me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> > >

> > > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail, together

with the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never explained by any

commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg was mentioned in

previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it mentions some

extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be easily deduced

from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good gatis then all

mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate always. I was

abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and the abuser,

whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in my logic.

> > >

> > > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ?? Here, I fine

a Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting my statements

merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit texts

properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> > >

> > > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces wrong

interpretations, I must state the truth.

> > >

> > > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of AD. Raj

Jyotishis know more than me.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my attention. If

I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved herein, with a view

to awaken interest.

> > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as below.

> > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need

some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha dasas,the

procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no relevance. Some

academic discussion based on some reference at some point of time becomes

half baked thought "

> > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the

guidelines for D1

> > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to Natal

Chart positions only

> > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas charts too

was cited

> > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing are

finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to twist

original rules and apply them.

> > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find no

reference in ancient texts

> > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is that they

find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of events

> > > > My attempt to

> > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not describe

Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10 dasa making

42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in Navamsa D 9

Chart.

> > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini Upadesh Sutra

describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very important

dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The fact is

the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However There is

slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and kalinga

tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is not

correct:

> > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or PM or

head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his country

and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That Native is

endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own people. Thus

its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should not be

studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of sight.

Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many astrologer

teach assuming

> > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also. However

Barring a few exception .

> > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for Main

ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor 34 and

commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The dasa /

antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as well.

> > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect in

divisional charts.

> > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless specially

hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which sloka is

talked about.

> > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted views

of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls for

explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements of

Kendradigati etc .

> > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well in

Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show that

opinion expressed

> > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little vision I

have formed.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > RC

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from True

> > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including Phaladeepika' s

7th

> > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas, there will

> > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of dashaas will

be

> > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas to only

> > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types " ( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha

d-

> > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > >

> > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > >

> > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj edition

retains

> > > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas

is

> > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with

> > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita, they are

> > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > >

> > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem Ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.

Vimshottari

> > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal Chart.

> > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need

> > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out Navamsha

> > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be defined.

> > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic discussion

> > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half baked

thought

> > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to the

> > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to Natal

Chart

> > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter 7

> > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after reading

> > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider aspects in

> > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal lagna

> > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1 has

aspectsof

> > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions in

> > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas, it is

> > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till some

thing

> > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not

> > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ

 Wisemen Can

> > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of BPHS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

> > > > > >

> > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot be

> > > > > >

> > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern researchers

> > > > > are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

> > > > > >

> > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions

> > > > > including

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are drawn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram Jha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any reason

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or

> > > > > earlier

> > > > > >

> > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known dashaas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of D1

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its position

in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an error in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some software

> > > > > >

> > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But there is

> > > > > no

> > > > > >

> > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my software for

> > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has

aspects

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten years

you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never intended to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be twisted in

> > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you have

no

> > > > > >

> > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you if

> > > > > >

> > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle ( " gutthie " )

> > > > > as

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have made

> > > > > >

> > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > >

> > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told such

> > > > > things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting "

person

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must be

parked

> > > > > >

> > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how long

> > > > > >

> > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne

time

> > > > > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent from

many

> > > > > >

> > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for you

but

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously have

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the next

> > > > > sloka!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have

> > > > > >

> > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to park

> > > > > or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of the

> > > > > person

> > > > > >

> > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners without

> > > > > >

> > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then return

to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to tackle

> > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone

MUST

> > > > > >

> > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting,

Venus

> > > > > >

> > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to expose

> > > > > such

> > > > > >

> > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on BPHS

> > > > > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to discuss my

> > > > > >

> > > > > > persona??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even informing

> > > > > me

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is internet

> > > > > your

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being in

> > > > > 5th,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them, but

the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of BPHS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this idea

> > > > > which

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not mean

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the

meaning

> > > > > of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me or

for

> > > > > me

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within seconds?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that

> > > > > dissolves

> > > > > >

> > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and

> > > > > promise

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name wished

> > > > > upon

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up to

> > > > > your

> > > > > >

> > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in 5th,

6th,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of BPHS

> > > > > are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to

post

> > > > > >

> > > > > > here :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made this

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently. Those

> > > > > who

> > > > > >

> > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion concerning

> > > > > their

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not SANTOSH.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on blind

> > > > > support

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga, excepting

> > > > > for

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My sole

aim

> > > > > is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the

right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > others. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in my

> > > > > mails

> > > > > >

> > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated verses, let

me

> > > > > >

> > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to X-post

> > > > > here

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more

confusion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by

snapping

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with baited

> > > > > >

> > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can

> > > > > change!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my prediction

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted

earlier!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that

> > > > > insist

> > > > > >

> > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used

feline

> > > > > >

> > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten year

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine

reference,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously scholarly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or akaasha

or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is

difficult

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be

capable

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching someone!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly REALITY

> > > > > where

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am doing

> > > > > that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > requirements

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers lack.

Those

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at least

> > > > > for

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who is

> > > > > really

> > > > > >

> > > > > > confused.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous views

must

> > > > > >

> > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed

gurus.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated by

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or even

> > > > > respect

> > > > > >

> > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals goes in

> > > > > vain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot accept

it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them were

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= === ============

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree,

just

> > > > > as

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your role

in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> > > > > com,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > thread-header

> > > > > >

> > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of

> > > > > lightning

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying attention!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of discussing

> > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained from

> > > > > >

> > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored topics

of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > com,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we

were

> > > > > >

> > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for Jupiter

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He lives

and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive, pay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your jupiter

is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly obsessed

with

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other planets

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather

> > > > > clearly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas' that

> > > > > show

> > > > > >

> > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going

through

> > > > > in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed! USA

is

> > > > > on

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Suresh Ji,

 

" I did not split it myself. " Yes. Sorry for sending a short message which

confused you. Parts of my message wewre not directed at you but at earlier posts

in this thread. I had earlier written :

 

" //Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures// " .

 

I got this reply from RCS :

 

" //absolutely true. So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are

unreliable and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach

vedanga & jyotish subjects. Yes Fine. Then do all people have time and facility

to go and read copy of original

scripture lying in libraries?// "

 

The first part of his reply is correct ( " all translations in English by non

Sanskrit scholars are unreliable " ), but the remaining parts are insincerely

written, merely to pervert my meaning. I never said only pandits are good

writers and teachers of jyotisha. I know many pandits who are excellent orators

in Sanskrit, possess high degrees in Jyotisha, but cannot analyse a horoscope

properly.

 

I repeat : Sanskrit texts must be translated and commented only by those who

know Sanskrit. If someone does not know the rules of sandhi and splits a word

incorrectly, you should not call him a scholar, whatever be his/her merits in

other fields. Scholarship needs utmost care, esp when dealing with ancient texts

whose milieu was vastly different. Most of Indian " scholars " are careless in

this respect. I stop reading a secondary book the moment I realize it does not

render the proper meaning of the original, and then I try to decipher the

original myself.

 

The problem you are referring to is a minor one and can be solved within a short

time. Ask some experts of Sanskrit grammar and professors of Jyotisha in

Sanskrit universities who know Sanskrit grammar as well. I do the same when some

doubt arises. For this, I have developed contacts with scholars in many Sanskrit

universities and take their views on telephone.

 

This entire thread on KCD was misdirected due to personalised and biased

interpretations. I was taking this thread without any seriousness ever since I

found RCS quoting BPHS wrongly ( " 56 stanzas about AD), and asked him to show

proofs of AD in BPHS, which confused Chandrashekhar Ji.

 

Kundalee software computes MD and AD of KCD, the method is described at :

 

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

 

It is the standard method supported by all commentators, although a handful of

modern astrologers want to interpret KCD differently. I found KCD to be working

wonderfully, and there is no reason why the traditional approach should be

changed.

 

-VJ

====================================== ===

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay Jha,

>

> I myself was on a visit to tirupathy balaji temple. I came back on today and

saw your mail.

>

> I did not split it myself. pls re-read my message. I typed it as quoted in the

two books I mentioned. It was split by Surya Narayam Rao & P.S.Shastri.

>

> Those are two scholarly persons, who split the sutra in two different ways.

>

> pls re-read my message carefully.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> VJha <vinayjhaa16

>

> Fri, April 2, 2010 7:25:14 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

> Some posts in this thread escaped my attentiuon, esp by Suresh Ji, perhaps

because I am on tour and find little time for internet.

>

> Today I saw a post by Suresh Ji in which he cited " anyasthaadarshaadi H " and

" " same adarshaadiH " from different editions of Jaimini. He broke

" anyasthaadarshaadi H " as " anyathaa darshaadihi " instead of as " anyathaa

aadarshaadiH " . Thus, the two editions differ only in " anyathaa " being replaced

with " same " which make no semantic difference. Such differences in manuscripts

is found in a large number of ancient texts and is perhaps due to errors in

memorization in ancient ages.

>

> The meaning is thus :

>

> In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

> In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi to

next in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

>

> If we replace Adarsh with Darsh, the sutras become senseless. Then, first

sutra would refer to one topic and next sutra to another, which is ruled out by

the syntax. Such problems can be solved by consulting Sanskrit scholars, not by

deriding them. It is foolish to waste one's time in shaastraarthas over internet

which has no regulating authority. Why these people do not visit Sanskrit

universities and take the opinions of variuous scholars?? Internet is not a

reliable source of authentic academic opinion.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= ======= ===

> In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3) it is

given as

> " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

>

> While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

give

> " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> " same adarshaadiH "

>

> Look at the difference in the two versions.

>

> One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

> pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

>

> Which version is correct?

>

> And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

>

> , " Mohit " <mohitvirmani33@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Superb once again Respected Swami RC Ji....

> >

> > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sirs,

> > >

> > > 1.**Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one

way each going well under different contexts**

> > >

> > > This applies to sutra also. Not because they were in codified Sanskrit but

great wisdom is interwoven.Further many times all possible interpretations are

found correct.

> > >

> > > This is what I illustrated simply quoting application of Navamsa dasa one

for judging longevity.

> > > But this as method of longevity is used for apmritya (accidental death due

to evil karmas done in this life because of faulty views one has about

world.)Not otherwise.

> > > Say someone is terrorist He may have a viewpoint what he is doing is

perfectly right. No logic can prove and convince him that He is wrong. Here

apply Navamsa ayaus dasa.

> > > We apply Navamsa dasa as Phalit to see events that has focus on vision

about society Than Navamsa dasa apply. The method of application is different

for male and female native.

> > > This all is derived only from two sutra you mentioned whose texts are

slightly at variance . I quoted in my last mail also. how sutra have appeared.

> > > If what I write is found in application replicable in actual analysis

automatically It implies one has understood sutra correctly.

> > > Obviously It is quite different from collecting commentaries but

derivation of application are funneled from earlier commentators.

> > > If we take two sutra of say chapter Three, about Presya. All on this earth

from micro to macro is derivable about service . Preshya is term employed by

Sutrakar. It means one who do errends to king.

> > > Unless one studies sutra in manner called for secret are hidden.

> > >

> > > Many commentators has said Ch 3 and 4 are interpolated and uncorrelated .

However the other view is prevalent that Jaimini complied/ wrote eight chapters

and only four are left.

> > >

> > > Hope if read carefully I have taken space of group only for technical

expression giving practical approach….

> > > 2. " However, there is something like core logic which should correspond

well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system.

Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from

that base only. Otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could

be reached. "

> > > Dear friends Jaimini the creator of sutra is fond of strict in discipline.

No error is tolerated. Ketu is mathematical in approach. Lord Ganesh is

overloard on Ketu.

> > > Both Ketu and ganesh are related with episode of loosing head from body.

Underlying theme is Sutra need arrival of accurate conclusion by application. If

one has deviated a little Conclusion could be headless.

> > > Here comes he need of guru to guide the students, That's why Sutra

literature may be jyotish or related to other subjects emphasizes role of

Bhaysa and Guru parampra.

> > > 3. " The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process "

> > > Jaimini works beautifully but calls for life time dedication.

> > > With regards.

> > > RC

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rcs ji,

> > > >

> > > > //As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

> > > > critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is

> > > > no easy task.But there is no other way.//

> > > >

> > > > Exactly my point. It would have been far better and useful if the

discussions were on such level rather than centering on " I' and " You " .

> > > >

> > > > Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one

way each going well under different contexts.

> > > >

> > > > However, there is something like core logic which should correspond well

with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system. Persons

who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from that

base only. otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could be

reached.

> > > >

> > > > The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process.

> > > >

> > > > With all those unwarranted emotions running wild, how far could Internet

be a good place for such intelligent & scholarly debates?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@>

> > > >

> > > > Thu, April 1, 2010 4:53:55 AM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

***

> > > > Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or,

> > > > consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are

> > > > absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known to

him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > 2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ sureshbabuag

> > > > Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

> > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > absolutely true.

> > > > However, look at this.

> > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > > > it is given as

> > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no

193,

> > > > give

> > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ****8

> > > > Dear Friends

> > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > absolutely true.

> > > > So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are unreliable

and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach vedanga &

jyotish subjects. Yes Fine.

> > > > Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of

original scripture lying in libraries?

> > > > I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle from

sutra. I stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is worked

out for phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am inclined

to think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

> > > > Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit

before the commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

> > > > A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das laxmivenkayteshwar

kalian Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and contains lot of guidance

from vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This was based on commentary

by Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest two were in Sanskrit

only without commentary.

> > > > Next about sutra I referred.

> > > > There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to

question phrased.

> > > > I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of

applicability of dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by

P.S.Shastri and others . It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote

translation of Sr P.S.Sastri FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as

2.1.55 so his commentary assumes different context. But I did not wrote it in my

posting.

> > > > I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

> > > > Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It is

vital point pointed by him.

> > > > But such differences are common among text copies.

> > > > My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain Rao

and also given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya. . However In

version of P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in

adarshaadiH " .

> > > > By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I

Rangacharya.

> > > > This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to copy of

hand written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus publications

made available are only source for basic introduction. However sutra literature

calls for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for that very purpose

> > > > Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of

sammukha and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri

and calls dasa as darpan dasa.

> > > > Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three

variants. As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy

task.But there is no other way.

> > > > Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas and

teacher to bring light.

> > > > . He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj

jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM

or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

> > > > Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught the

principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

> > > > What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I am

saying that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only

mentioned it is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I

did correctly mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in

support of my understanding.

> > > > I could not understand What hurts any one.

> > > > Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I stop

here tonight.

> > > > With best regards.

> > > > RC.

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on

> > > > > > ancient scriptures//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2

pada-3)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it is given as

> > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page

no 193,

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of

" a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows he

is distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned

again and again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun,

which is impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is

obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of

Vimshottari Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

appears to be an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in

which Mercury and Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position

in D1 only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's

positions in those vargas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary

positions in D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed

from Lagna of D1.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep

respect for him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what is

the use of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into

following charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose

dashaas are running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but

affects almost all topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A

comprehensive assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these

charts gives a final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his

suggestions are valid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of

Moon's positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither

supported by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and

not from D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44)

which give exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini

Sutra. Why RCS ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to

quote Jaimini Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not

clear. Perhaps he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting

from some imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed

from varga chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or

D9, as Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed.

The latter diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my

statements out of context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

may not be applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such

combinations appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me)

has NOT worked out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of

Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from

Jaimini Sutra) was already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from

Jaimini because the context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to

RCS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is

hidden in traditions " . Which tradition ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign

in the divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also

justifying use of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1

serves well in Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages where I

said the same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of

the sign in the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a

varga is one thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that

varga is another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my

views to prove me wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS

says : " Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of

aspect in divisional charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual

term is Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted

from left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > > > > > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The meaning is very simple :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that

(raashi of lagna),

> > > > > > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction "

(Adarsha) from Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two

chapters, but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four

chapters. Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that

university and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about

Adarsha. Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional

secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like

me).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

> > > > > > charts you examined? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives

in particular provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless

he shows me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail,

together with the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never

explained by any commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg

was mentioned in previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it

mentions some extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be

easily deduced from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good

gatis then all mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate

always. I was abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and

the abuser, whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in

my logic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ?? Here,

I fine a Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting my

statements merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit

texts properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces

wrong interpretations, I must state the truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of

AD. Raj Jyotishis know more than me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > > > > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@

...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my

attention. If I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved

herein, with a view to awaken interest.

> > > > > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as

below.

> > > > > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha

dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.

Some academic discussion based on some reference at some point of time

becomes half baked thought "

> > > > > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the

guidelines for D1

> > > > > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to

Natal Chart positions only

> > > > > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas charts

too was cited

> > > > > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing

are finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to

twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find

no reference in ancient texts

> > > > > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is

that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of

events

> > > > > > > My attempt to

> > > > > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not

describe Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10

dasa making 42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in

Navamsa D 9 Chart.

> > > > > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini Upadesh

Sutra describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very important

dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The

fact is the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However

There is slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and

kalinga tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is

not correct:

> > > > > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM or

PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That

Native is endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own

people. Thus its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should not

be studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of

sight. Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many

astrologer teach assuming

> > > > > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also. However

Barring a few exception .

> > > > > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for

Main ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor 34

and commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The

dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as

well.

> > > > > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect

in divisional charts.

> > > > > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless

specially hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which

sloka is talked about.

> > > > > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted

views of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls

for explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements

of Kendradigati etc .

> > > > > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves well

in Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show that

opinion expressed

> > > > > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little

vision I have formed.

> > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > RC

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from

True

> > > > > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including

Phaladeepika' s 7th

> > > > > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas,

there will

> > > > > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of dashaas

will be

> > > > > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas

to only

> > > > > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types "

( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha d-

> > > > > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj edition

retains

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga

dashaas is

> > > > > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching

with

> > > > > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita,

they are

> > > > > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem Ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.

Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal Chart.

> > > > > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha

need

> > > > > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out

Navamsha

> > > > > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be

defined.

> > > > > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic

discussion

> > > > > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half baked

thought

> > > > > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to the

> > > > > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to

Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter 7

> > > > > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after

reading

> > > > > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider

aspects in

> > > > > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal lagna

> > > > > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1 has

aspectsof

> > > > > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions in

> > > > > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas, it

is

> > > > > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till

some thing

> > > > > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is

not

> > > > > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚

ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can

> > > > > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of

BPHS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha.

For

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious

verses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas

cannot be

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern

researchers

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42

types of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even

name the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions

nine

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions

> > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9

:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are

drawn

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt

Sitaram Jha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any

reason

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts

or

> > > > > > > > earlier

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known

dashaas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of

D1

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its

position in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an

error in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some

software

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But

there is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my

software for

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has

aspects

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before

the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot

classify

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten

years you

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never

intended to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be

twisted in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a

possibility in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there

are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you

have no

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to

you if

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle

( " gutthie " )

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not

have made

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told

such

> > > > > > > > things.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting "

person

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must

be parked

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for

how long

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have

somne time

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent

from many

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for

you but

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you

obviously have

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the

next

> > > > > > > > sloka!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world

have

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage

to park

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of

the

> > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners

without

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then

return to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to

tackle

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called

REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits!

Everyone MUST

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is

disgusting, Venus

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to

expose

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion

on BPHS

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to

discuss my

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > persona??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even

informing

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is

internet

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury

being in

> > > > > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them,

but the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this

idea

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not

mean

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made

up of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the

meaning

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the

thread to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to

discuss

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me

or for

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within

seconds?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that

> > > > > > > > dissolves

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name

and

> > > > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name

wished

> > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live

up to

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in

5th, 6th,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of

BPHS

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in

BPHS ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected

to post

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > here :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself

made this

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently.

Those

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion

concerning

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not

SANTOSH.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on

blind

> > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga,

excepting

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My

sole aim

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in

the right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it

to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > others. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in

my

> > > > > > > > mails

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD,

Venus or

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated

verses, let me

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to

X-post

> > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA

forum

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make

publicly!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more

confusion

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by

snapping

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with

baited

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not

prophesy!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will

can

> > > > > > > > change!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my

prediction

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted

earlier!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones

that

> > > > > > > > insist

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used

feline

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten

year

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine

reference,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as

to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously

scholarly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or

akaasha or

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense

and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is

difficult

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be

capable

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching

someone!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly

REALITY

> > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am

doing

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at

you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers

lack. Those

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at

least

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who

is

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > confused.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous

views must

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their

wrong-headed gurus.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is

generated by

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or

even

> > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals

goes in

> > > > > > > > vain.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot

accept it

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them

were

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ???

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

============

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong

tree, just

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your

role in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that

forum!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > thread-header

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of

> > > > > > > > lightning

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying

attention!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of

discussing

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained

from

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored

topics of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

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===

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather

brilliant

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if

we were

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He

lives and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts

arrive, pay

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your

jupiter is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly

obsessed with

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other

planets

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their

rather

> > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas'

that

> > > > > > > > show

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going

through

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed!

USA is

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to a new height of democracy!

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[Guest guest]

Suresh Ji,

 

I had no intention of putting you in bad light, but I am repeating " Sorry " for

my confusing remark.

 

You asked me to " ponder over the difference in the two versions. Probably you

shall dig out more than what RCS ji had already stated. "

 

I had already pondered over the difference and I also consulted reputed scholars

of Varanasi before replying.

 

" anyathaadarshaadiH " and " same adarshaadiH " have no semantic difference in

the first pada, because the contextual meaning from the preceding sutra makes

" anyathaa " (= " otherwise " ) equivalent to " same " . Original sutras in both versions

have no difference in the second pada, it is the commentator SN Rao who has

split the sandhi wrongly. I repeat that the problem is a minor one because it

can be easily solved by consulting those experts who are exerts of Sanskrit

grammar as well as of Jyotisha ; I know many such experts and take their help

when some problem arises. " anyathaa darshaadiH " should be further split into

" anyathaa darsha aadiH " and then replacing " anyathaa " with " same " due to

contextual Aakaankshaa (, a grammatical term, semantic demand), we get " same

darsha aadiH " .Thus, the two sutras will be :

 

" ViShame tad AdiH navAMshaaH "

" anyathaa (=same) darsha AdiH "

 

The literal meaning is :

 

(1)

" In the viShama that is the Adi of navAMsha

Otherwise viewing at the Adi "

 

Alternative is :

 

(2)

" In the viShama that is the Adi of navAMsha

Otherwise (= in the sama) Adarsha from the Adi "

 

I again repeat the problem is a minor one : please ponder over the two variants

of literal meanings and it will be damn easy to decide which version of

splitting is sensible. The fuller meaning of the secong variant is :

 

In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi to next

in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

 

The first variant makes the sutras senseless, because it would mean :

 

'Navaamsha-dashaa will start from the lagna only if the lagna is in odd raashi,

and Navaamsha-dashaa will NOT work at all if the lagna is in even raashi, in the

latter case instead of dashaa ASPECT at lagna will work (which is absent in the

former case).'

 

SN Rao did not deduce such an absurd meaning ?? Please try to correlate his

meaning with grammatically accurate splitting of the sutra. Or consult grammar

experts who know Jyotisha also.

 

-VJ

============================== ==

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay jha,

>

> When you wrote " Suresh ji has spilt the word " , what would a common reader

think? Not that it matters much to me.

>

> //The problem you are referring to is a minor one//

>

> No sir, it is not a minor one. If the sandhi vichedan is not understood

properly, the meaning shall change entirely, which then will be established

logicaly and not just grammatically.

>

> I am not a sanskrit pundit, but the lord was kind enough to give some

knowledge to understand and interpret it logically.

>

> However, none of this matters in the search for truth.

>

> I am stopping at this point as the discussion is diffused. However, whenever

you get time, ponder over the difference in the two versions. Probably you shall

dig out more than what RCS ji had already stated.

>

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

> VJha <vinayjhaa16

>

> Tue, April 6, 2010 8:23:11 AM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

> Suresh Ji,

>

> " I did not split it myself. " Yes. Sorry for sending a short message which

confused you. Parts of my message wewre not directed at you but at earlier posts

in this thread. I had earlier written :

>

> " //Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures// " .

>

> I got this reply from RCS :

>

> " //absolutely true. So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars

are unreliable and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach

vedanga & jyotish subjects. Yes Fine. Then do all people have time and facility

to go and read copy of original

> scripture lying in libraries?// "

>

> The first part of his reply is correct ( " all translations in English by non

Sanskrit scholars are unreliable " ) , but the remaining parts are insincerely

written, merely to pervert my meaning. I never said only pandits are good

writers and teachers of jyotisha. I know many pandits who are excellent orators

in Sanskrit, possess high degrees in Jyotisha, but cannot analyse a horoscope

properly.

>

> I repeat : Sanskrit texts must be translated and commented only by those who

know Sanskrit. If someone does not know the rules of sandhi and splits a word

incorrectly, you should not call him a scholar, whatever be his/her merits in

other fields. Scholarship needs utmost care, esp when dealing with ancient texts

whose milieu was vastly different. Most of Indian " scholars " are careless in

this respect. I stop reading a secondary book the moment I realize it does not

render the proper meaning of the original, and then I try to decipher the

original myself.

>

> The problem you are referring to is a minor one and can be solved within a

short time. Ask some experts of Sanskrit grammar and professors of Jyotisha in

Sanskrit universities who know Sanskrit grammar as well. I do the same when some

doubt arises. For this, I have developed contacts with scholars in many Sanskrit

universities and take their views on telephone.

>

> This entire thread on KCD was misdirected due to personalised and biased

interpretations. I was taking this thread without any seriousness ever since I

found RCS quoting BPHS wrongly ( " 56 stanzas about AD), and asked him to show

proofs of AD in BPHS, which confused Chandrashekhar Ji.

>

> Kundalee software computes MD and AD of KCD, the method is described at :

>

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

>

> It is the standard method supported by all commentators, although a handful of

modern astrologers want to interpret KCD differently. I found KCD to be working

wonderfully, and there is no reason why the traditional approach should be

changed.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= ========= ======== ===

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay Jha,

> >

> > I myself was on a visit to tirupathy balaji temple. I came back on today and

saw your mail.

> >

> > I did not split it myself. pls re-read my message. I typed it as quoted in

the two books I mentioned. It was split by Surya Narayam Rao & P.S.Shastri.

> >

> > Those are two scholarly persons, who split the sutra in two different ways.

> >

> > pls re-read my message carefully.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> >

> > Fri, April 2, 2010 7:25:14 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> > Some posts in this thread escaped my attentiuon, esp by Suresh Ji, perhaps

because I am on tour and find little time for internet.

> >

> > Today I saw a post by Suresh Ji in which he cited " anyasthaadarshaadi H " and

" " same adarshaadiH " from different editions of Jaimini. He broke

" anyasthaadarshaadi H " as " anyathaa darshaadihi " instead of as " anyathaa

aadarshaadiH " . Thus, the two editions differ only in " anyathaa " being replaced

with " same " which make no semantic difference. Such differences in manuscripts

is found in a large number of ancient texts and is perhaps due to errors in

memorization in ancient ages.

> >

> > The meaning is thus :

> >

> > In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

> > In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi to

next in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

> >

> > If we replace Adarsh with Darsh, the sutras become senseless. Then, first

sutra would refer to one topic and next sutra to another, which is ruled out by

the syntax. Such problems can be solved by consulting Sanskrit scholars, not by

deriding them. It is foolish to waste one's time in shaastraarthas over internet

which has no regulating authority. Why these people do not visit Sanskrit

universities and take the opinions of variuous scholars?? Internet is not a

reliable source of authentic academic opinion.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3) it is

given as

> > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> >

> > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

give

> > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > " same adarshaadiH "

> >

> > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> >

> > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

> > pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> >

> > Which version is correct?

> >

> > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> >

> > , " Mohit " <mohitvirmani33@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Superb once again Respected Swami RC Ji....

> > >

> > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > >

> > > > 1.**Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than

one way each going well under different contexts**

> > > >

> > > > This applies to sutra also. Not because they were in codified Sanskrit

but great wisdom is interwoven.Further many times all possible interpretations

are found correct.

> > > >

> > > > This is what I illustrated simply quoting application of Navamsa dasa

one for judging longevity.

> > > > But this as method of longevity is used for apmritya (accidental death

due to evil karmas done in this life because of faulty views one has about

world.)Not otherwise.

> > > > Say someone is terrorist He may have a viewpoint what he is doing is

perfectly right. No logic can prove and convince him that He is wrong. Here

apply Navamsa ayaus dasa.

> > > > We apply Navamsa dasa as Phalit to see events that has focus on vision

about society Than Navamsa dasa apply. The method of application is different

for male and female native.

> > > > This all is derived only from two sutra you mentioned whose texts are

slightly at variance . I quoted in my last mail also. how sutra have appeared.

> > > > If what I write is found in application replicable in actual analysis

automatically It implies one has understood sutra correctly.

> > > > Obviously It is quite different from collecting commentaries but

derivation of application are funneled from earlier commentators.

> > > > If we take two sutra of say chapter Three, about Presya. All on this

earth from micro to macro is derivable about service . Preshya is term employed

by Sutrakar. It means one who do errends to king.

> > > > Unless one studies sutra in manner called for secret are hidden.

> > > >

> > > > Many commentators has said Ch 3 and 4 are interpolated and uncorrelated

.. However the other view is prevalent that Jaimini complied/ wrote eight

chapters and only four are left.

> > > >

> > > > Hope if read carefully I have taken space of group only for technical

expression giving practical approach….

> > > > 2. " However, there is something like core logic which should correspond

well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system.

Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from

that base only. Otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could

be reached. "

> > > > Dear friends Jaimini the creator of sutra is fond of strict in

discipline. No error is tolerated. Ketu is mathematical in approach. Lord Ganesh

is overloard on Ketu.

> > > > Both Ketu and ganesh are related with episode of loosing head from

body. Underlying theme is Sutra need arrival of accurate conclusion by

application. If one has deviated a little Conclusion could be headless.

> > > > Here comes he need of guru to guide the students, That's why Sutra

literature may be jyotish or related to other subjects emphasizes role of

Bhaysa and Guru parampra.

> > > > 3. " The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process "

> > > > Jaimini works beautifully but calls for life time dedication.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > RC

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rcs ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

> > > > > critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is

> > > > > no easy task.But there is no other way.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly my point. It would have been far better and useful if the

discussions were on such level rather than centering on " I' and " You " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one

way each going well under different contexts.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, there is something like core logic which should correspond

well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system.

Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from

that base only. otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could

be reached.

> > > > >

> > > > > The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process.

> > > > >

> > > > > With all those unwarranted emotions running wild, how far could

Internet be a good place for such intelligent & scholarly debates?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thu, April 1, 2010 4:53:55 AM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ***

> > > > > Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or,

> > > > > consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are

> > > > > absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known

to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > > 2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ sureshbabuag

> > > > > Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

> > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > > > > it is given as

> > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page

no 193,

> > > > > give

> > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of

" a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****8

> > > > > Dear Friends

> > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are unreliable

and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach vedanga &

jyotish subjects. Yes Fine.

> > > > > Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of

original scripture lying in libraries?

> > > > > I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle from

sutra. I stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is worked

out for phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am inclined

to think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

> > > > > Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit

before the commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

> > > > > A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das

laxmivenkayteshwar kalian Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and

contains lot of guidance from vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This

was based on commentary by Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest

two were in Sanskrit only without commentary.

> > > > > Next about sutra I referred.

> > > > > There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to

question phrased.

> > > > > I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of

applicability of dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by

P.S.Shastri and others . It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote

translation of Sr P.S.Sastri FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as

2.1.55 so his commentary assumes different context. But I did not wrote it in my

posting.

> > > > > I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

> > > > > Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It is

vital point pointed by him.

> > > > > But such differences are common among text copies.

> > > > > My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain Rao

and also given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya. . However In

version of P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in

adarshaadiH " .

> > > > > By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I

Rangacharya.

> > > > > This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to copy

of hand written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus

publications made available are only source for basic introduction. However

sutra literature calls for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for

that very purpose

> > > > > Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of

sammukha and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri

and calls dasa as darpan dasa.

> > > > > Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three

variants. As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy

task.But there is no other way.

> > > > > Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas

and teacher to bring light.

> > > > > . He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj

jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > > But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM

or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

> > > > > Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught

the principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

> > > > > What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I

am saying that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only

mentioned it is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I

did correctly mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in

support of my understanding.

> > > > > I could not understand What hurts any one.

> > > > > Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I stop

here tonight.

> > > > > With best regards.

> > > > > RC.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on

> > > > > > > ancient scriptures//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2

pada-3)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it is given as

> > > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications,

Page no 193,

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction

of " a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows

he is distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned

again and again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun,

which is impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is

obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of

Vimshottari Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

appears to be an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in

which Mercury and Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position

in D1 only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's

positions in those vargas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary

positions in D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed

from Lagna of D1.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep

respect for him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what

is the use of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into

following charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose

dashaas are running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but

affects almost all topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A

comprehensive assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these

charts gives a final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his

suggestions are valid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of

Moon's positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither

supported by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and

not from D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44)

which give exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini

Sutra. Why RCS ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to

quote Jaimini Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not

clear. Perhaps he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting

from some imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed

from varga chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or

D9, as Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed.

The latter diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my

statements out of context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

may not be applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such

combinations appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me)

has NOT worked out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of

Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from

Jaimini Sutra) was already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from

Jaimini because the context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to

RCS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is

hidden in traditions " . Which tradition ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the

sign in the divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also

justifying use of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1

serves well in Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages where

I said the same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of

the sign in the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a

varga is one thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that

varga is another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my

views to prove me wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS

says : " Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of

aspect in divisional charts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual

term is Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted

from left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > > > > > > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The meaning is very simple :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that

(raashi of lagna),

> > > > > > > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction "

(Adarsha) from Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only

two chapters, but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published

four chapters. Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of

that university and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say

about Adarsha. Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha

in the context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in

these sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow

that Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional

secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like

me).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

> > > > > > > charts you examined? "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives

in particular provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless

he shows me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail,

together with the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never

explained by any commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg

was mentioned in previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it

mentions some extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be

easily deduced from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good

gatis then all mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate

always. I was abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and

the abuser, whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in

my logic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ??

Here, I fine a Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting

my statements merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit

texts properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces

wrong interpretations, I must state the truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of

AD. Raj Jyotishis know more than me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > > > > > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@

...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my

attention. If I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved

herein, with a view to awaken interest.

> > > > > > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as

below.

> > > > > > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha

dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > > > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no

relevance. Some academic discussion based on some reference at some point

of time becomes half baked thought "

> > > > > > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the

guidelines for D1

> > > > > > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to

Natal Chart positions only

> > > > > > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas

charts too was cited

> > > > > > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing

are finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to

twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find

no reference in ancient texts

> > > > > > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is

that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of

events

> > > > > > > > My attempt to

> > > > > > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not

describe Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10

dasa making 42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in

Navamsa D 9 Chart.

> > > > > > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini

Upadesh Sutra describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very

important dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > > > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The

fact is the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However

There is slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and

kalinga tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > > > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is

not correct:

> > > > > > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > > > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM

or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That

Native is endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own

people. Thus its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > > > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should

not be studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of

sight. Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > > > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > > > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many

astrologer teach assuming

> > > > > > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also.

However Barring a few exception .

> > > > > > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for

Main ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > > > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor

34 and commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The

dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as

well.

> > > > > > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect

in divisional charts.

> > > > > > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless

specially hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > > > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which

sloka is talked about.

> > > > > > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted

views of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls

for explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements

of Kendradigati etc .

> > > > > > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves

well in Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > > > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show

that opinion expressed

> > > > > > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little

vision I have formed.

> > > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > > RC

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from

True

> > > > > > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including

Phaladeepika' s 7th

> > > > > > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas,

there will

> > > > > > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of

dashaas will be

> > > > > > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas

to only

> > > > > > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types "

( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha d-

> > > > > > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj

edition retains

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga

dashaas is

> > > > > > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in

matching with

> > > > > > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita,

they are

> > > > > > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem

Ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.

Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal

Chart.

> > > > > > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need

> > > > > > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out

Navamsha

> > > > > > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be

defined.

> > > > > > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic

discussion

> > > > > > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half

baked thought

> > > > > > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to

the

> > > > > > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to

Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter

7

> > > > > > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after

reading

> > > > > > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider

aspects in

> > > > > > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal

lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1

has aspectsof

> > > > > > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions in

> > > > > > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas,

it is

> > > > > > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till

some thing

> > > > > > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is

not

> > > > > > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Wisemen Can

> > > > > > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

Sub-periods

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha.

For

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious

verses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas

cannot be

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern

researchers

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42

types of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija

||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah|

| "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even

name the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions

nine

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later

editions

> > > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to

D9 :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They

are drawn

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt

Sitaram Jha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth

any reason

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts

or

> > > > > > > > > earlier

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known

dashaas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon

of D1

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its

position in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an

error in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some

software

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But

there is

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my

software for

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1

has aspects

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but

before the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot

classify

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten

years you

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never

intended to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be

twisted in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a

possibility in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if

there are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if

you have no

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to

you if

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked

off " ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle

( " gutthie " )

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not

have made

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told

such

> > > > > > > > > things.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a

" disgusting " person

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must

be parked

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for

how long

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have

somne time

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent

from many

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations

for you but

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you

obviously have

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the

next

> > > > > > > > > sloka!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world

have

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage

to park

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of

the

> > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners

without

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then

return to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience

to tackle

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called

REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits!

Everyone MUST

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is

disgusting, Venus

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as

some

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to

expose

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion

on BPHS

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to

discuss my

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > persona??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even

informing

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is

internet

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury

being in

> > > > > > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with

them, but the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with

this idea

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does

not mean

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made

up of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is

the meaning

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the

thread to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to

discuss

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by

me or for

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within

seconds?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once

that

> > > > > > > > > dissolves

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name

and

> > > > > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name

wished

> > > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live

up to

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in

5th, 6th,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in

BPHS ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > > > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you

neglected to post

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > here :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself

made this

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR

recently. Those

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion

concerning

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not

SANTOSH.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on

blind

> > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga,

excepting

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My

sole aim

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in

the right.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach

it to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > others. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited

in my

> > > > > > > > > mails

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD,

Venus or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which

is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated

verses, let me

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to

X-post

> > > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA

forum

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make

publicly!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more

confusion

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by

snapping

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with

baited

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not

prophesy!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will

can

> > > > > > > > > change!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my

prediction

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted

earlier!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones

that

> > > > > > > > > insist

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have

used feline

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your

ten year

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine

reference,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt

as to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously

scholarly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or

akaasha or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense

and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is

difficult

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to

be capable

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching

someone!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly

REALITY

> > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am

doing

> > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark

at you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers

lack. Those

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me,

at least

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear

who is

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > confused.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous

views must

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their

wrong-headed gurus.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is

generated by

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or

even

> > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals

goes in

> > > > > > > > > vain.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot

accept it

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them

were

> > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

============

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong

tree, just

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about

your role in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that

forum!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > > thread-header

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts

of

> > > > > > > > > lightning

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying

attention!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of

discussing

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I

refrained from

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored

topics of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= =====

===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather

brilliant

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum,

if we were

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He

lives and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts

arrive, pay

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your

jupiter is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly

obsessed with

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other

planets

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their

rather

> > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the

'fitnaas' that

> > > > > > > > > show

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is

going through

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill

passed! USA is

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay jha,

 

//I had already pondered over the difference//

 

I know. But no harm in doing it again.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

VJha <vinayjhaa16

 

Tue, April 6, 2010 9:13:45 PM

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

Suresh Ji,

 

I had no intention of putting you in bad light, but I am repeating " Sorry " for

my confusing remark.

 

You asked me to " ponder over the difference in the two versions. Probably you

shall dig out more than what RCS ji had already stated. "

 

I had already pondered over the difference and I also consulted reputed scholars

of Varanasi before replying.

 

" anyathaadarshaadiH " and " same adarshaadiH " have no semantic difference in

the first pada, because the contextual meaning from the preceding sutra makes

" anyathaa " (= " otherwise " ) equivalent to " same " . Original sutras in both

versions have no difference in the second pada, it is the commentator SN Rao who

has split the sandhi wrongly. I repeat that the problem is a minor one because

it can be easily solved by consulting those experts who are exerts of Sanskrit

grammar as well as of Jyotisha ; I know many such experts and take their help

when some problem arises. " anyathaa darshaadiH " should be further split into

" anyathaa darsha aadiH " and then replacing " anyathaa " with " same " due to

contextual Aakaankshaa (, a grammatical term, semantic demand), we get " same

darsha aadiH " .Thus, the two sutras will be :

 

" ViShame tad AdiH navAMshaaH "

" anyathaa (=same) darsha AdiH "

 

The literal meaning is :

 

(1)

" In the viShama that is the Adi of navAMsha

Otherwise viewing at the Adi "

 

Alternative is :

 

(2)

" In the viShama that is the Adi of navAMsha

Otherwise (= in the sama) Adarsha from the Adi "

 

I again repeat the problem is a minor one : please ponder over the two variants

of literal meanings and it will be damn easy to decide which version of

splitting is sensible. The fuller meaning of the secong variant is :

 

In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi to next

in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

 

The first variant makes the sutras senseless, because it would mean :

 

'Navaamsha-dashaa will start from the lagna only if the lagna is in odd raashi,

and Navaamsha-dashaa will NOT work at all if the lagna is in even raashi, in the

latter case instead of dashaa ASPECT at lagna will work (which is absent in the

former case).'

 

SN Rao did not deduce such an absurd meaning ?? Please try to correlate his

meaning with grammatically accurate splitting of the sutra. Or consult grammar

experts who know Jyotisha also.

 

-VJ

============ ========= ========= ==

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay jha,

>

> When you wrote " Suresh ji has spilt the word " , what would a common reader

think? Not that it matters much to me.

>

> //The problem you are referring to is a minor one//

>

> No sir, it is not a minor one. If the sandhi vichedan is not understood

properly, the meaning shall change entirely, which then will be established

logicaly and not just grammatically.

>

> I am not a sanskrit pundit, but the lord was kind enough to give some

knowledge to understand and interpret it logically.

>

> However, none of this matters in the search for truth.

>

> I am stopping at this point as the discussion is diffused. However, whenever

you get time, ponder over the difference in the two versions. Probably you shall

dig out more than what RCS ji had already stated.

>

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

> VJha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

>

> Tue, April 6, 2010 8:23:11 AM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

> Suresh Ji,

>

> " I did not split it myself. " Yes. Sorry for sending a short message which

confused you. Parts of my message wewre not directed at you but at earlier posts

in this thread. I had earlier written :

>

> " //Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures// " .

>

> I got this reply from RCS :

>

> " //absolutely true. So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars

are unreliable and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach

vedanga & jyotish subjects. Yes Fine. Then do all people have time and facility

to go and read copy of original

> scripture lying in libraries?// "

>

> The first part of his reply is correct ( " all translations in English by non

Sanskrit scholars are unreliable " ) , but the remaining parts are insincerely

written, merely to pervert my meaning. I never said only pandits are good

writers and teachers of jyotisha. I know many pandits who are excellent orators

in Sanskrit, possess high degrees in Jyotisha, but cannot analyse a horoscope

properly.

>

> I repeat : Sanskrit texts must be translated and commented only by those who

know Sanskrit. If someone does not know the rules of sandhi and splits a word

incorrectly, you should not call him a scholar, whatever be his/her merits in

other fields. Scholarship needs utmost care, esp when dealing with ancient texts

whose milieu was vastly different. Most of Indian " scholars " are careless in

this respect. I stop reading a secondary book the moment I realize it does not

render the proper meaning of the original, and then I try to decipher the

original myself.

>

> The problem you are referring to is a minor one and can be solved within a

short time. Ask some experts of Sanskrit grammar and professors of Jyotisha in

Sanskrit universities who know Sanskrit grammar as well. I do the same when some

doubt arises. For this, I have developed contacts with scholars in many Sanskrit

universities and take their views on telephone.

>

> This entire thread on KCD was misdirected due to personalised and biased

interpretations. I was taking this thread without any seriousness ever since I

found RCS quoting BPHS wrongly ( " 56 stanzas about AD), and asked him to show

proofs of AD in BPHS, which confused Chandrashekhar Ji.

>

> Kundalee software computes MD and AD of KCD, the method is described at :

>

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

>

> It is the standard method supported by all commentators, although a handful of

modern astrologers want to interpret KCD differently. I found KCD to be working

wonderfully, and there is no reason why the traditional approach should be

changed.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= ========= ======== ===

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay Jha,

> >

> > I myself was on a visit to tirupathy balaji temple. I came back on today and

saw your mail.

> >

> > I did not split it myself. pls re-read my message. I typed it as quoted in

the two books I mentioned. It was split by Surya Narayam Rao & P.S.Shastri.

> >

> > Those are two scholarly persons, who split the sutra in two different ways.

> >

> > pls re-read my message carefully.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> >

> > Fri, April 2, 2010 7:25:14 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> > Some posts in this thread escaped my attentiuon, esp by Suresh Ji, perhaps

because I am on tour and find little time for internet.

> >

> > Today I saw a post by Suresh Ji in which he cited " anyasthaadarshaadi H " and

" " same adarshaadiH " from different editions of Jaimini. He broke

" anyasthaadarshaadi H " as " anyathaa darshaadihi " instead of as " anyathaa

aadarshaadiH " . Thus, the two editions differ only in " anyathaa " being replaced

with " same " which make no semantic difference. Such differences in manuscripts

is found in a large number of ancient texts and is perhaps due to errors in

memorization in ancient ages.

> >

> > The meaning is thus :

> >

> > In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

> > In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi to

next in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

> >

> > If we replace Adarsh with Darsh, the sutras become senseless. Then, first

sutra would refer to one topic and next sutra to another, which is ruled out by

the syntax. Such problems can be solved by consulting Sanskrit scholars, not by

deriding them. It is foolish to waste one's time in shaastraarthas over internet

which has no regulating authority. Why these people do not visit Sanskrit

universities and take the opinions of variuous scholars?? Internet is not a

reliable source of authentic academic opinion.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3) it is

given as

> > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> >

> > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no 193,

give

> > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > " same adarshaadiH "

> >

> > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> >

> > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

> > pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> >

> > Which version is correct?

> >

> > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> >

> > , " Mohit " <mohitvirmani33@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Superb once again Respected Swami RC Ji....

> > >

> > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > >

> > > > 1.**Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than

one way each going well under different contexts**

> > > >

> > > > This applies to sutra also. Not because they were in codified Sanskrit

but great wisdom is interwoven.Further many times all possible interpretations

are found correct.

> > > >

> > > > This is what I illustrated simply quoting application of Navamsa dasa

one for judging longevity.

> > > > But this as method of longevity is used for apmritya (accidental death

due to evil karmas done in this life because of faulty views one has about

world.)Not otherwise.

> > > > Say someone is terrorist He may have a viewpoint what he is doing is

perfectly right. No logic can prove and convince him that He is wrong. Here

apply Navamsa ayaus dasa.

> > > > We apply Navamsa dasa as Phalit to see events that has focus on vision

about society Than Navamsa dasa apply. The method of application is different

for male and female native.

> > > > This all is derived only from two sutra you mentioned whose texts are

slightly at variance . I quoted in my last mail also. how sutra have appeared.

> > > > If what I write is found in application replicable in actual analysis

automatically It implies one has understood sutra correctly.

> > > > Obviously It is quite different from collecting commentaries but

derivation of application are funneled from earlier commentators.

> > > > If we take two sutra of say chapter Three, about Presya. All on this

earth from micro to macro is derivable about service . Preshya is term employed

by Sutrakar. It means one who do errends to king.

> > > > Unless one studies sutra in manner called for secret are hidden.

> > > >

> > > > Many commentators has said Ch 3 and 4 are interpolated and uncorrelated

.. However the other view is prevalent that Jaimini complied/ wrote eight

chapters and only four are left.

> > > >

> > > > Hope if read carefully I have taken space of group only for technical

expression giving practical approach….

> > > > 2. " However, there is something like core logic which should correspond

well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system.

Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from

that base only. Otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could

be reached. "

> > > > Dear friends Jaimini the creator of sutra is fond of strict in

discipline. No error is tolerated. Ketu is mathematical in approach. Lord Ganesh

is overloard on Ketu.

> > > > Both Ketu and ganesh are related with episode of loosing head from

body. Underlying theme is Sutra need arrival of accurate conclusion by

application. If one has deviated a little Conclusion could be headless.

> > > > Here comes he need of guru to guide the students, That's why Sutra

literature may be jyotish or related to other subjects emphasizes role of

Bhaysa and Guru parampra.

> > > > 3. " The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process "

> > > > Jaimini works beautifully but calls for life time dedication.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > RC

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rcs ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

> > > > > critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is

> > > > > no easy task.But there is no other way.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly my point. It would have been far better and useful if the

discussions were on such level rather than centering on " I' and " You " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than one

way each going well under different contexts.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, there is something like core logic which should correspond

well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system.

Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from

that base only. otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could

be reached.

> > > > >

> > > > > The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process.

> > > > >

> > > > > With all those unwarranted emotions running wild, how far could

Internet be a good place for such intelligent & scholarly debates?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thu, April 1, 2010 4:53:55 AM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ***

> > > > > Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two chapters,

but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four chapters.

Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that university

and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about Adarsha.

Or,

> > > > > consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are

> > > > > absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets known

to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > > 2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ sureshbabuag

> > > > > Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

> > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3)

> > > > > it is given as

> > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page

no 193,

> > > > > give

> > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of

" a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****8

> > > > > Dear Friends

> > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures//

> > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are unreliable

and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach vedanga &

jyotish subjects. Yes Fine.

> > > > > Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of

original scripture lying in libraries?

> > > > > I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle from

sutra. I stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is worked

out for phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am inclined

to think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

> > > > > Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit

before the commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

> > > > > A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das

laxmivenkayteshwar kalian Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and

contains lot of guidance from vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This

was based on commentary by Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest

two were in Sanskrit only without commentary.

> > > > > Next about sutra I referred.

> > > > > There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to

question phrased.

> > > > > I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of

applicability of dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by

P.S.Shastri and others . It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote

translation of Sr P.S.Sastri FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as

2.1.55 so his commentary assumes different context. But I did not wrote it in my

posting.

> > > > > I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

> > > > > Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It is

vital point pointed by him.

> > > > > But such differences are common among text copies.

> > > > > My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain Rao

and also given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya. . However In

version of P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in

adarshaadiH " .

> > > > > By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I

Rangacharya.

> > > > > This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to copy

of hand written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus

publications made available are only source for basic introduction. However

sutra literature calls for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for

that very purpose

> > > > > Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of

sammukha and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri

and calls dasa as darpan dasa.

> > > > > Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three

variants. As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy

task.But there is no other way.

> > > > > Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas

and teacher to bring light.

> > > > > . He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj

jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > > But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM

or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

> > > > > Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught

the principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

> > > > > What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I

am saying that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only

mentioned it is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I

did correctly mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in

support of my understanding.

> > > > > I could not understand What hurts any one.

> > > > > Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I stop

here tonight.

> > > > > With best regards.

> > > > > RC.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on

> > > > > > > ancient scriptures//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2

pada-3)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it is given as

> > > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications,

Page no 193,

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction

of " a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows

he is distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I mentioned

again and again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun,

which is impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied : " What is

obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of

Vimshottari Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

appears to be an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in

which Mercury and Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's position

in D1 only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from Moon's

positions in those vargas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary

positions in D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed

from Lagna of D1.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep

respect for him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what

is the use of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into

following charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose

dashaas are running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but

affects almost all topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A

comprehensive assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these

charts gives a final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his

suggestions are valid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of

Moon's positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither

supported by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1 and

not from D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses 42-44)

which give exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in Jaimini

Sutra. Why RCS ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and tried to

quote Jaimini Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context is not

clear. Perhaps he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was quoting

from some imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa computed

from varga chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all charts, D1 or

D9, as Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS missed.

The latter diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my

statements out of context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

may not be applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such

combinations appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me)

has NOT worked out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of

Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from

Jaimini Sutra) was already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from

Jaimini because the context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to

RCS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application is

hidden in traditions " . Which tradition ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the

sign in the divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also

justifying use of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1

serves well in Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages where

I said the same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of

the sign in the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a dashaa in a

varga is one thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's position in that

varga is another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is certainly distorting my

views to prove me wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement. RCS

says : " Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use of

aspect in divisional charts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The actual

term is Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is inverted

from left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini are :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > > > > > > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The meaning is very simple :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that

(raashi of lagna),

> > > > > > > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction "

(Adarsha) from Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only

two chapters, but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published

four chapters. Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of

that university and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say

about Adarsha. Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha

in the context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in

these sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow

that Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional

secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like

me).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well in

> > > > > > > charts you examined? "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives

in particular provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD. Unless

he shows me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail,

together with the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never

explained by any commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg

was mentioned in previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it

mentions some extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be

easily deduced from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good

gatis then all mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate

always. I was abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and

the abuser, whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in

my logic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ??

Here, I fine a Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting

my statements merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit

texts properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone introduces

wrong interpretations, I must state the truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle of

AD. Raj Jyotishis know more than me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > > > > > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@

...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my

attention. If I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved

herein, with a view to awaken interest.

> > > > > > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as

below.

> > > > > > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha

dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > > > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no

relevance. Some academic discussion based on some reference at some point

of time becomes half baked thought "

> > > > > > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to the

guidelines for D1

> > > > > > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to

Natal Chart positions only

> > > > > > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas

charts too was cited

> > > > > > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing

are finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to

twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which find

no reference in ancient texts

> > > > > > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is

that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of

events

> > > > > > > > My attempt to

> > > > > > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not

describe Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10

dasa making 42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in

Navamsa D 9 Chart.

> > > > > > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini

Upadesh Sutra describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very

important dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > > > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation. The

fact is the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However

There is slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and

kalinga tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > > > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this is

not correct:

> > > > > > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > > > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of CM

or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about his

country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That

Native is endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own

people. Thus its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > > > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should

not be studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of

sight. Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > > > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > > > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many

astrologer teach assuming

> > > > > > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also.

However Barring a few exception .

> > > > > > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts for

Main ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > > > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor

34 and commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The

dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as

well.

> > > > > > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of aspect

in divisional charts.

> > > > > > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless

specially hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > > > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure which

sloka is talked about.

> > > > > > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have quoted

views of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it calls

for explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya movements

of Kendradigati etc .

> > > > > > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves

well in Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > > > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show

that opinion expressed

> > > > > > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little

vision I have formed.

> > > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > > RC

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed from

True

> > > > > > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including

Phaladeepika' s 7th

> > > > > > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas,

there will

> > > > > > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of

dashaas will be

> > > > > > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of vargas

to only

> > > > > > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types "

( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha d-

> > > > > > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj

edition retains

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga

dashaas is

> > > > > > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in

matching with

> > > > > > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita,

they are

> > > > > > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem

Ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.

Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal

Chart.

> > > > > > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need

> > > > > > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out

Navamsha

> > > > > > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be

defined.

> > > > > > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic

discussion

> > > > > > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half

baked thought

> > > > > > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to

the

> > > > > > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to

Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter

7

> > > > > > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even after

reading

> > > > > > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider

aspects in

> > > > > > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal

lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1

has aspectsof

> > > > > > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions in

> > > > > > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas,

it is

> > > > > > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till

some thing

> > > > > > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is

not

> > > > > > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Wisemen Can

> > > > > > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

Sub-periods

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha.

For

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious

verses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas

cannot be

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern

researchers

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42

types of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija

||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah|

| "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even

name the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions

nine

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later

editions

> > > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to

D9 :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They

are drawn

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt

Sitaram Jha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth

any reason

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts

or

> > > > > > > > > earlier

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known

dashaas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon

of D1

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its

position in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an

error in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some

software

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation. But

there is

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my

software for

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1

has aspects

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but

before the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot

classify

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten

years you

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never

intended to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be

twisted in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a

possibility in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if

there are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if

you have no

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to

you if

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked

off " ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle

( " gutthie " )

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not

have made

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told

such

> > > > > > > > > things.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a

" disgusting " person

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must

be parked

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for

how long

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have

somne time

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent

from many

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations

for you but

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you

obviously have

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the

next

> > > > > > > > > sloka!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world

have

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage

to park

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of

the

> > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners

without

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then

return to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience

to tackle

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called

REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits!

Everyone MUST

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is

disgusting, Venus

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as

some

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to

expose

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion

on BPHS

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to

discuss my

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > persona??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even

informing

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is

internet

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury

being in

> > > > > > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with

them, but the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with

this idea

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does

not mean

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made

up of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is

the meaning

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the

thread to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to

discuss

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by

me or for

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within

seconds?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once

that

> > > > > > > > > dissolves

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name

and

> > > > > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name

wished

> > > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live

up to

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in

5th, 6th,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors

of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in

BPHS ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is

> > > > > > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you

neglected to post

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > here :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself

made this

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR

recently. Those

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion

concerning

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not

SANTOSH.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on

blind

> > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga,

excepting

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My

sole aim

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in

the right.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach

it to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > others. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited

in my

> > > > > > > > > mails

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD,

Venus or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which

is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated

verses, let me

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to

X-post

> > > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA

forum

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make

publicly!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more

confusion

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by

snapping

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with

baited

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not

prophesy!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will

can

> > > > > > > > > change!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my

prediction

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted

earlier!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones

that

> > > > > > > > > insist

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have

used feline

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your

ten year

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ======

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine

reference,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt

as to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously

scholarly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or

akaasha or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense

and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is

difficult

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to

be capable

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching

someone!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly

REALITY

> > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am

doing

> > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark

at you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers

lack. Those

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me,

at least

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear

who is

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > confused.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous

views must

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their

wrong-headed gurus.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is

generated by

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or

even

> > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals

goes in

> > > > > > > > > vain.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot

accept it

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them

were

> > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

============

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong

tree, just

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about

your role in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that

forum!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > > thread-header

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts

of

> > > > > > > > > lightning

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying

attention!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of

discussing

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I

refrained from

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored

topics of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

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> > > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather

brilliant

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum,

if we were

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He

lives and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts

arrive, pay

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your

jupiter is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly

obsessed with

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other

planets

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their

rather

> > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the

'fitnaas' that

> > > > > > > > > show

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is

going through

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill

passed! USA is

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > > > > > >

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