Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

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Vinayji,

 

Now I am seriously thinking of breaking the Teesri Kassam and try to go for a

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Raj Bhardwaj

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Suresh Ji,

>

> I had no intention of putting you in bad light, but I am repeating " Sorry " for

my confusing remark.

>

> You asked me to " ponder over the difference in the two versions. Probably you

shall dig out more than what RCS ji had already stated. "

>

> I had already pondered over the difference and I also consulted reputed

scholars of Varanasi before replying.

>

> " anyathaadarshaadiH " and " same adarshaadiH " have no semantic difference in

the first pada, because the contextual meaning from the preceding sutra makes

" anyathaa " (= " otherwise " ) equivalent to " same " . Original sutras in both versions

have no difference in the second pada, it is the commentator SN Rao who has

split the sandhi wrongly. I repeat that the problem is a minor one because it

can be easily solved by consulting those experts who are exerts of Sanskrit

grammar as well as of Jyotisha ; I know many such experts and take their help

when some problem arises. " anyathaa darshaadiH " should be further split into

" anyathaa darsha aadiH " and then replacing " anyathaa " with " same " due to

contextual Aakaankshaa (, a grammatical term, semantic demand), we get " same

darsha aadiH " .Thus, the two sutras will be :

>

> " ViShame tad AdiH navAMshaaH "

> " anyathaa (=same) darsha AdiH "

>

> The literal meaning is :

>

> (1)

> " In the viShama that is the Adi of navAMsha

> Otherwise viewing at the Adi "

>

> Alternative is :

>

> (2)

> " In the viShama that is the Adi of navAMsha

> Otherwise (= in the sama) Adarsha from the Adi "

>

> I again repeat the problem is a minor one : please ponder over the two

variants of literal meanings and it will be damn easy to decide which version of

splitting is sensible. The fuller meaning of the secong variant is :

>

> In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

> In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi to

next in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

>

> The first variant makes the sutras senseless, because it would mean :

>

> 'Navaamsha-dashaa will start from the lagna only if the lagna is in odd

raashi, and Navaamsha-dashaa will NOT work at all if the lagna is in even

raashi, in the latter case instead of dashaa ASPECT at lagna will work (which is

absent in the former case).'

>

> SN Rao did not deduce such an absurd meaning ?? Please try to correlate his

meaning with grammatically accurate splitting of the sutra. Or consult grammar

experts who know Jyotisha also.

>

> -VJ

> ============================== ==

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay jha,

> >

> > When you wrote " Suresh ji has spilt the word " , what would a common reader

think? Not that it matters much to me.

> >

> > //The problem you are referring to is a minor one//

> >

> > No sir, it is not a minor one. If the sandhi vichedan is not understood

properly, the meaning shall change entirely, which then will be established

logicaly and not just grammatically.

> >

> > I am not a sanskrit pundit, but the lord was kind enough to give some

knowledge to understand and interpret it logically.

> >

> > However, none of this matters in the search for truth.

> >

> > I am stopping at this point as the discussion is diffused. However, whenever

you get time, ponder over the difference in the two versions. Probably you shall

dig out more than what RCS ji had already stated.

> >

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> ________________________________

> > VJha <vinayjhaa16@>

> >

> > Tue, April 6, 2010 8:23:11 AM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> > Suresh Ji,

> >

> > " I did not split it myself. " Yes. Sorry for sending a short message which

confused you. Parts of my message wewre not directed at you but at earlier posts

in this thread. I had earlier written :

> >

> > " //Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments on

ancient scriptures// " .

> >

> > I got this reply from RCS :

> >

> > " //absolutely true. So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars

are unreliable and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach

vedanga & jyotish subjects. Yes Fine. Then do all people have time and facility

to go and read copy of original

> > scripture lying in libraries?// "

> >

> > The first part of his reply is correct ( " all translations in English by non

Sanskrit scholars are unreliable " ) , but the remaining parts are insincerely

written, merely to pervert my meaning. I never said only pandits are good

writers and teachers of jyotisha. I know many pandits who are excellent orators

in Sanskrit, possess high degrees in Jyotisha, but cannot analyse a horoscope

properly.

> >

> > I repeat : Sanskrit texts must be translated and commented only by those who

know Sanskrit. If someone does not know the rules of sandhi and splits a word

incorrectly, you should not call him a scholar, whatever be his/her merits in

other fields. Scholarship needs utmost care, esp when dealing with ancient texts

whose milieu was vastly different. Most of Indian " scholars " are careless in

this respect. I stop reading a secondary book the moment I realize it does not

render the proper meaning of the original, and then I try to decipher the

original myself.

> >

> > The problem you are referring to is a minor one and can be solved within a

short time. Ask some experts of Sanskrit grammar and professors of Jyotisha in

Sanskrit universities who know Sanskrit grammar as well. I do the same when some

doubt arises. For this, I have developed contacts with scholars in many Sanskrit

universities and take their views on telephone.

> >

> > This entire thread on KCD was misdirected due to personalised and biased

interpretations. I was taking this thread without any seriousness ever since I

found RCS quoting BPHS wrongly ( " 56 stanzas about AD), and asked him to show

proofs of AD in BPHS, which confused Chandrashekhar Ji.

> >

> > Kundalee software computes MD and AD of KCD, the method is described at :

> >

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> >

> > It is the standard method supported by all commentators, although a handful

of modern astrologers want to interpret KCD differently. I found KCD to be

working wonderfully, and there is no reason why the traditional approach should

be changed.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ========= ========= ======== ===

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay Jha,

> > >

> > > I myself was on a visit to tirupathy balaji temple. I came back on today

and saw your mail.

> > >

> > > I did not split it myself. pls re-read my message. I typed it as quoted in

the two books I mentioned. It was split by Surya Narayam Rao & P.S.Shastri.

> > >

> > > Those are two scholarly persons, who split the sutra in two different

ways.

> > >

> > > pls re-read my message carefully.

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > >

> > > Fri, April 2, 2010 7:25:14 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > > Some posts in this thread escaped my attentiuon, esp by Suresh Ji, perhaps

because I am on tour and find little time for internet.

> > >

> > > Today I saw a post by Suresh Ji in which he cited " anyasthaadarshaadi H "

and " " same adarshaadiH " from different editions of Jaimini. He broke

" anyasthaadarshaadi H " as " anyathaa darshaadihi " instead of as " anyathaa

aadarshaadiH " . Thus, the two editions differ only in " anyathaa " being replaced

with " same " which make no semantic difference. Such differences in manuscripts

is found in a large number of ancient texts and is perhaps due to errors in

memorization in ancient ages.

> > >

> > > The meaning is thus :

> > >

> > > In the vishama (lagna), that (vishama lagna raashi) is the Adi or starting

(rashi of navamsha dashaa);

> > > In the sama (lagna), that (Navaamsha Dashaa will proceed from one raashi

to next in reverse order or mirror-image like order, ie Adarsh).

> > >

> > > If we replace Adarsh with Darsh, the sutras become senseless. Then, first

sutra would refer to one topic and next sutra to another, which is ruled out by

the syntax. Such problems can be solved by consulting Sanskrit scholars, not by

deriding them. It is foolish to waste one's time in shaastraarthas over internet

which has no regulating authority. Why these people do not visit Sanskrit

universities and take the opinions of variuous scholars?? Internet is not a

reliable source of authentic academic opinion.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2 pada-3) it

is given as

> > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > >

> > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page no

193, give

> > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > >

> > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > >

> > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of " a "

> > > pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > >

> > > Which version is correct?

> > >

> > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > >

> > > , " Mohit " <mohitvirmani33@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Superb once again Respected Swami RC Ji....

> > > >

> > > > , " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.**Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than

one way each going well under different contexts**

> > > > >

> > > > > This applies to sutra also. Not because they were in codified Sanskrit

but great wisdom is interwoven.Further many times all possible interpretations

are found correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is what I illustrated simply quoting application of Navamsa dasa

one for judging longevity.

> > > > > But this as method of longevity is used for apmritya (accidental death

due to evil karmas done in this life because of faulty views one has about

world.)Not otherwise.

> > > > > Say someone is terrorist He may have a viewpoint what he is doing is

perfectly right. No logic can prove and convince him that He is wrong. Here

apply Navamsa ayaus dasa.

> > > > > We apply Navamsa dasa as Phalit to see events that has focus on vision

about society Than Navamsa dasa apply. The method of application is different

for male and female native.

> > > > > This all is derived only from two sutra you mentioned whose texts are

slightly at variance . I quoted in my last mail also. how sutra have appeared.

> > > > > If what I write is found in application replicable in actual analysis

automatically It implies one has understood sutra correctly.

> > > > > Obviously It is quite different from collecting commentaries but

derivation of application are funneled from earlier commentators.

> > > > > If we take two sutra of say chapter Three, about Presya. All on this

earth from micro to macro is derivable about service . Preshya is term employed

by Sutrakar. It means one who do errends to king.

> > > > > Unless one studies sutra in manner called for secret are hidden.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many commentators has said Ch 3 and 4 are interpolated and

uncorrelated . However the other view is prevalent that Jaimini complied/ wrote

eight chapters and only four are left.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope if read carefully I have taken space of group only for technical

expression giving practical approach….

> > > > > 2. " However, there is something like core logic which should

correspond well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that

system. Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should

come from that base only. Otherwise more confusion shall be created and no

consensus could be reached. "

> > > > > Dear friends Jaimini the creator of sutra is fond of strict in

discipline. No error is tolerated. Ketu is mathematical in approach. Lord Ganesh

is overloard on Ketu.

> > > > > Both Ketu and ganesh are related with episode of loosing head from

body. Underlying theme is Sutra need arrival of accurate conclusion by

application. If one has deviated a little Conclusion could be headless.

> > > > > Here comes he need of guru to guide the students, That's why Sutra

literature may be jyotish or related to other subjects emphasizes role of

Bhaysa and Guru parampra.

> > > > > 3. " The logical examination should be to first establish the

correctness according that system and then test it widely and see how far the

system works and under what conditions. It is two step process "

> > > > > Jaimini works beautifully but calls for life time dedication.

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > RC

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rcs ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has

to

> > > > > > critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this

is

> > > > > > no easy task.But there is no other way.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Exactly my point. It would have been far better and useful if the

discussions were on such level rather than centering on " I' and " You " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sanskrit due to its many facets could be interpreted in more than

one way each going well under different contexts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, there is something like core logic which should correspond

well with other factors / theories propounded by the creator of that system.

Persons who try to establish the correctness of such conflicts should come from

that base only. otherwise more confusion shall be created and no consensus could

be reached.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The logical examination should be to first establish the correctness

according that system and then test it widely and see how far the system works

and under what conditions. It is two step process.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With all those unwarranted emotions running wild, how far could

Internet be a good place for such intelligent & scholarly debates?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Swami_rcs <swami.rcs@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thu, April 1, 2010 4:53:55 AM

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ***

> > > > > > Those who do not know Sanskrit have no right to give their comments

on ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only two

chapters, but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published four

chapters. Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of that

university and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say about

Adarsha. Or,

> > > > > > consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha in the

context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in these

sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow that

Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are

> > > > > > absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional secrets

known to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > > > 2.1. Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > Posted by: " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ sureshbabuag

> > > > > > Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:24 am ((PDT))

> > > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on ancient scriptures//

> > > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2

pada-3)

> > > > > > it is given as

> > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications, Page

no 193,

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an introduction of

" a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the implication.

> > > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****8

> > > > > > Dear Friends

> > > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on ancient scriptures//

> > > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > > So all translations in English by non Sanskrit scholars are

unreliable and only Sanskrit pundits are entitled to learn write and teach

vedanga & jyotish subjects. Yes Fine.

> > > > > > Then do all people have time and facility to go and read copy of

original scripture lying in libraries?

> > > > > > I have not commented on sutra. I have mentioned derived principle

from sutra. I stated sutra is universal in application .How navamsa dasa is

worked out for phalit and KCD MD application I wanted to illustrate But I am

inclined to think it is hardly useful to discussion on list.

> > > > > > Dear VJ ji I had all the four chapters OF JUS long ago in Sanskrit

before the commentary on four chapters came from Pdt Rath and Prof P.S.Shastri.

> > > > > > A book was published by gangavishnu shri Krishna das

laxmivenkayteshwar kalian Mumbai.It was First book I read on jaimini and

contains lot of guidance from vriddha karika and commentators view points.. This

was based on commentary by Neelkanth.It has dealt with only two chapters. Rest

two were in Sanskrit only without commentary.

> > > > > > Next about sutra I referred.

> > > > > > There is mixing. in reading in spite I gave serial wise response to

question phrased.

> > > > > > I did mention 2.1.34 in context with derivation of principle of

applicability of dasa in varga charts.As` I did not give translation by

P.S.Shastri and others . It could lead to confusion .I wanted to quote

translation of Sr P.S.Sastri FOR sri Rangachrya has edited this sutra as

2.1.55 so his commentary assumes different context. But I did not wrote it in my

posting.

> > > > > > I also did mention 2.3.1 and 2.3.2. Concept of Adarsh comes here.

> > > > > > Shri A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy has also quoted difference in text. It

is vital point pointed by him.

> > > > > > But such differences are common among text copies.

> > > > > > My oldest book compares well with text given by shi B.Suryanarain

Rao and also given by jaimini sutramritam of sh Irangati rangacharya. . However

In version of P.S.Shastri pt sitaram jha and Pt Rath it is bigger AA in

adarshaadiH " .

> > > > > > By the way most of commentator agrees on interpretation except Pt I

Rangacharya.

> > > > > > This mention itself proves that every man can not have access to

copy of hand written scriptures as they may also have inaccurices and thus

publications made available are only source for basic introduction. However

sutra literature calls for guidance of guru as they were meant and designed for

that very purpose

> > > > > > Also it is worth noting I Rangacharya holds darpan is the synonym of

sammukha and adarsa.hence He follows opinion of raghava bhatt and narinder suri

and calls dasa as darpan dasa.

> > > > > > Concept of adarsh rasi is totally different it has atleast three

variants. As a student one has to learn all the arguments prevalent and has to

critically examine what could be correct meaning of sutra. Yes this is no easy

task.But there is no other way.

> > > > > > Personal criticism have no place, for sutra literature need karikas

and teacher to bring light.

> > > > > > . He teaches us that traditional secrets known to him are " for Raj

jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like me).

> > > > > > But " It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of

CM or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about

his country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. "

> > > > > > Raj jyotish is part of jyotish. Any one can learn , if he is taught

the principles involved specific to it like Mundane astrology.

> > > > > > What I described was application part for which mention was` made, I

am saying that phalit dasa variation is useful for doing raj jyotish. I only

mentioned it is useful when examining charts of kings and head of states . I

did correctly mentioned name of traditions in my mail to demonstrate , in

support of my understanding.

> > > > > > I could not understand What hurts any one.

> > > > > > Sice giving commentaries and translation of verses is of no use I

stop here tonight.

> > > > > > With best regards.

> > > > > > RC.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even Talmud...? That is an ancient scripture!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on

> > > > > > > > ancient scriptures//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > absolutely true.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, look at this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the book printed by B.Suryanarain Rao, page 170 (adhyaya-2

pada-3)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it is given as

> > > > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavamaMshaH " (Vishame tatha aadiH navamshaaH)

> > > > > > > > " anyasthaadarshaadi H " (anyathaa darshaadihi)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While P.S.Shastri in the book published by ranjan publications,

Page no 193,

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > " viShame tadaadirnavaMshaH "

> > > > > > > > " same adarshaadiH "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Look at the difference in the two versions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One says " darshaadiH " and the other " adarshaadiH " an

introduction of " a " pryathyaya reverses the meaning of the word and the

implication.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Which version is correct?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And is it the translation " mirror image " correct "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wed, March 31, 2010 10:35:18 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The entire message from Swami_rcs Ji about navamsha dashaa shows

he is distorting the meanings of my statements by putting them out of context,

certainly NOT due to any deliberate prejudice. Let me clarify.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anyone can read the previous posts under this thread. I

mentioned again and again that many existing versions of BPHS say : " AD of

Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th

houses from Sun, which is impossible " . To this, Rohiniranjan Bose Ji replied :

" What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in other

vargas " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since the chapter of BPHS which I quoted above dealt with ADs of

Vimshottari Dashaas, Rohiniranjan Ji clearly implied that " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

appears to be an error in D1 but may become a possibility in other vargas in

which Mercury and Venus may be in 5th, 6th, 8th or 9th from Sun.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My contention is that Vimshottari is computed from Moon's

position in D1 only, hence dashaas for other vargas cannot be computed from

Moon's positions in those vargas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is not computed from planetary

positions in D9. On the contrary, Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed

from Lagna of D1.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji is a very experienced astrologer and I have deep

respect for him. His suggestion was not entirely invalid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When one computes MD, AD, PD, etc dashaas for a given time, what

is the use of this computation ? The answer is simple : one has to look into

following charts with special attention to these Vimshottari planets whose

dashaas are running : D1, D9 (which is slightly less powerful than D1 but

affects almost all topics), relevant varga, varsha chart and maasa chart. A

comprehensive assessment of performance of Vimshottari planets in all these

charts gives a final picture. Thus is what Rohiniranjan Ji suggested, and his

suggestions are valid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If someone imagines Varga Dasdhaas can be computed by means of

Moon's positions in those vargas, then it must be rejected. This is neither

supported by texts nor by Rohiniranjan Ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navamsha Dashaa of Jaimini Sutra is computed from Lagna in D1

and not from D9. I had already quoted BPHS (Khemraj Edition, ch-31, verses

42-44) which give exactly the same meaning of Navaamsha Dashaa as found in

Jaimini Sutra. Why RCS ignored the Navaamsha Dashaa quoted by me from BPHS and

tried to quote Jaimini Sutra instead for putting my statement in a wrong context

is not clear. Perhaps he did not read Khemraj Edition of BPHS and thought I was

quoting from some imaginary source. This Navaamsha Dashaa is not the Dashaa

computed from varga chart D9. But all dashaas are equally applicable to all

charts, D1 or D9, as Rohiniranjan Ji rightly suggested.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji has made a very good suggestion which RCS

missed. The latter diverted the whole issue to wrong direction, merely to put my

statements out of context. What Rohiniranjan Ji suggested was " AD of Mercury and

Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun "

may not be applied to D1 but may be applied to some other vargas in which such

combinations appear. In actual practice, I think even Rohiniranjan Ji (nor me)

has NOT worked out the practicability of this brilliant hypothesis (of

Rohiniranjan Ji). RCS should not divert the issue. His Navaamsha Dashaa (from

Jaimini Sutra) was already cited by me in this thread, but I cited it not from

Jaimini because the context was BPHS whose relevant edition is not available to

RCS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RCS says " its (Navaamsha Dashaa's) calculation and application

is hidden in traditions " . Which tradition ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RCS says : " The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the

sign in the divisional chart as well. Please see word darsya in aphorism also

justifying use of aspect in divisional charts.I have covered above Dasa of D1

serves well in Varga from Di to D 24.. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He has certainly not read my jyotirvidya. wetpaint webpages

where I said the same thing long ago (The dasa / antardasa of a sign gives

results of the sign in the divisional chart as well). Finding results of a

dashaa in a varga is one thing, and computing a varga dashaa from Moon's

position in that varga is another which I (and all others) reject. RCS is

certainly distorting my views to prove me wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, one important observation about RCS's faqulty statement.

RCS says : " Please see word darsya in (Jaimini's) aphorism also justifying use

of aspect in divisional charts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jaimini does not use the term " darshya " or " Adarshya " . The

actual term is Adarsha. In Sanskrit, Adarsha means mirror. A mirror image is

inverted from left-to-right to right-to-left. The first two sutras of Jaimini

are :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vishame tada-aadih navaamshah ||1||

> > > > > > > > Anyathaa Adarsha adih ||2||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The meaning is very simple :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For odd (vishama) Lagna, navaamsha (-dashaa) starts with that

(raashi of lagna),

> > > > > > > > For even Lagna, Navaamsha-dashaa starts with " reverse direction "

(Adarsha) from Lagna.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who do nopt know Sanskrit have no right to give their

comments on ancient scriptures. Chowkhambha Edition of Jaimini Sutra has only

two chapters, but Sampoornanand Sanskrit University (Varanasi) has published

four chapters. Shri RCS should procure it from the publication department of

that university and see what the learned translator and commentator has to say

about Adarsha. Or, consult Sanskrit lexicon for deducing the meaning of Adarsha

in the context of Jaimini's sutras. It is utterly wrong to read " aspect " in

these sutras. If some modern Rishi has some traditional secret, RCS may follow

that Rishi, but RCS has no right to distort Jaimini's sutras for proving novel

assumptions which are absent in ancient texts. He teaches us that traditional

secrets known to him are " for Raj jyotish only " (and not for lesser mortals like

me).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had aqsked RCS : " have you found MD of KCD to be working well

in

> > > > > > > > charts you examined? "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I got the answer : " Standard Principles of Jyotish Gati, Dwar

Arudhas Argala and strength works well in KCD for persons having eventful lives

in particular provided Birth time are reliable and moons postion is accurate . "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He has not made it explicit whether he studied " Jyotish Gati,

Dwar Arudhas Argala and strength " with relation to MD (Mahaadashaa) of KCD.

Unless he shows me he has finished with MD, why should I proceed to AD?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On my webpage, I have explained KCD's MD sequences in detail,

together with the symmetrical design of KCD's sequences which were never

explained by any commentator of BPHS. RCS must have read this webpage, whichg

was mentioned in previous posts. Another importqance of this article is that it

mentions some extra gatis of KCD which are not mentioned in BPHS but can be

easily deduced from BPHS. BPHS mentions only bad gatis. If there are no good

gatis then all mortals must be under bad gatis only and must be unfortunate

always. I was abused in this forum for explaining these extra gatis of KCD, and

the abuser, whom RCS calls his friend, did not even care to point out errors in

my logic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Where is the honesty which is needed for learning Jyotisha ??

Here, I fine a Raj Jyotishi already possessing traditional secrets, distorting

my statements merely for humiliatring me, yet incapable of understanding Sankrit

texts properly (cf. " Adarsh " in Jaimini Sutra).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have no intention of offending anyone, but if someone

introduces wrong interpretations, I must state the truth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As for AD of KCD, I have not given my opinions about the puzzle

of AD. Raj Jyotishis know more than me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===== ===

> > > > > > > > , " Swami_rcs "

<swami.rcs@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > > Above mails have important observations and have drawn my

attention. If I am permitted I wish to answer some of the issues involved

herein, with a view to awaken interest.

> > > > > > > > > The summary of points raised to my understanding is as

below.

> > > > > > > > > 1. To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need some theoretical base. Even if somebody wants to work out Navamsha

dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clearly be defined.

> > > > > > > > > Further conclusion is " As of now, Navmsha dasa js of no

relevance. Some academic discussion based on some reference at some point

of time becomes half baked thought "

> > > > > > > > > 2. Dashaas of other vargas cannot be deduced according to

the guidelines for D1

> > > > > > > > > 3. Aspects many Astrologers hold relevant with reference to

Natal Chart positions only

> > > > > > > > > 4. Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in Vargas

charts too was cited

> > > > > > > > > 5. Individuals may hold their own contentions till some

thing are finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it is not

correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > > 6. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary inventions which

find no reference in ancient texts

> > > > > > > > > 7. some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga dashaas is

that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in matching with timing of

events

> > > > > > > > > My attempt to

> > > > > > > > > Q1. Which Navamsa Dasa we are talking about? BPHS does not

describe Navamsa dasa among 32 dasa enlisted in beginning slokas and rest 10

dasa making 42 dasa. Although I understand above mails do not imply dasa` in

Navamsa D 9 Chart.

> > > > > > > > > First and second aphorism of Chapter II part 3 of Jaimini

Upadesh Sutra describes Navamsa dasa.It is interesting to note it is very

important dimensions. It has two variations. One is Ayus dasa Second is phalit

dasa.Phalit Navamsa Dasa and Ayus Navamsa Dasa starts separately. But Each dasa

is of 9 years in both variations. Dasa sequence follows kendradi sequence.

> > > > > > > > > So, Starting of dasa is different and has solid foundation.

The fact is the procedure approach and purpose has been clearly defined. However

There is slight difference in interpretation of sutras in Bengal tradition and

kalinga tradition as far as Adarsh rasi

> > > > > > > > > Is handled. Bengal School says take 4/10 not Adarsya but this

is not correct:

> > > > > > > > > Now What for This dasa as phalit is important and used .

> > > > > > > > > It is for Raj jyotish only. If jyotishi is handling Chart of

CM or PM or head of state Navamsa phalit variation will give, His vision about

his country and will tell astrologer How he sees world situation. Remember That

Native is endowed with capability of affecting fate of Nations and his own

people. Thus its calculation and application is hidden in traditions.

> > > > > > > > > Q2 Till 80-90 View was prevalent that Divisonal charts should

not be studied stand alone. Naturally question of application of dasa was out of

sight. Suddenly around 2000-2001

> > > > > > > > > Market saw books dealing with vargas.

> > > > > > > > > Hardly texts say how Varga charts are interpreted. Now many

astrologer teach assuming

> > > > > > > > > All standard rules of jyotish apply to Vargas charts also.

However Barring a few exception .

> > > > > > > > > It is fine not to emphasize that dasa apply to varga charts

for Main ududasa applicable to D1 itself serves well all the vargas at first two

multiples of twelve, indicating physical and mental level.

> > > > > > > > > Q3. If we read carefully jaimini updesh sutra Ch2 Part 1 Aphor

34 and commentary by shri P.S.Shastri and pt Rath. It is easy to see That " The

dasa / antardasa of a sign gives results of the sign in the divisional chart as

well.

> > > > > > > > > Please see word darsya in aphorism also justifying use of

aspect in divisional charts.

> > > > > > > > > [ Sutra are universal in application without exception unless

specially hinted in sutra itself]

> > > > > > > > > Q4. PD CH 7 Sorry I have two versions only. I am not sure

which sloka is talked about.

> > > > > > > > > Q5. Yes individual views are immaterial; therefore I have

quoted views of tradition in nutshell. Sorry I have not clarified fully, For it

calls for explanation at length of many associated terms like adarsh, adhya

movements of Kendradigati etc .

> > > > > > > > > Q 6 & 7. No Comments. I have covered above Dasa of D1 serves

well in Varga from Di to D 24..

> > > > > > > > > Note: Please treat it a humble submission. It is not to show

that opinion expressed

> > > > > > > > > By list members are right or wrong but wanted to share little

vision I have formed.

> > > > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > > > RC

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas must always be computed

from True

> > > > > > > > > > Moon's longitude in D1. Socalled varga dashaas are imaginary

inventions

> > > > > > > > > > which find no reference in ancient texts, including

Phaladeepika' s 7th

> > > > > > > > > > chapter, as Vattem Ji mentions. If we accept varga dashaas,

there will

> > > > > > > > > > be a mind boggling number of dasdhaas, ie the number of

dashaas will be

> > > > > > > > > > multipliplied with 16 even if we restrict the number of

vargas to only

> > > > > > > > > > sixteen. But BPHS says there are only " 42 types "

( " Dvi-chatvaarimsha d-

> > > > > > > > > > bhedaah " ) of Dashaas :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija

||

> > > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah|

| "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pt Sitaram Jha deleted this verse from BPHS, but Khemraj

edition retains

> > > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The reason why some modern enthusiasts experiment with varga

dashaas is

> > > > > > > > > > that they find existing dashaas to be unsatisfactory in

matching with

> > > > > > > > > > timing of events. Instead of testing Suryasiddhantic Ganita,

they are

> > > > > > > > > > now changinmg rules of Phalita.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Same with aspects. I agree with observations made by Vattem

Ji.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.

Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > > dasha rules based on moon position are applied from Natal

Chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in

Navmsha need

> > > > > > > > > > some theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out

Navamsha

> > > > > > > > > > dasas,the procedure approach and purpose should clealy be

defined.

> > > > > > > > > > > As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic

discussion

> > > > > > > > > > based on some reference at some point of time becomes half

baked thought

> > > > > > > > > > > 1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to

the

> > > > > > > > > > guidelines for D1//

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to

Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > > positions only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika

Chapter 7

> > > > > > > > > > reference to aspects in varga charts too was cited.Even

after reading

> > > > > > > > > > those verses Iam not convinced it is relevent to consider

aspects in

> > > > > > > > > > varga chart.Infact varga charts are derivatives of orignal

lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart.It is noncontroversial: my experience is that only D1

has aspectsof

> > > > > > > > > > planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions in

> > > > > > > > > > other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > > > 3.As far as seeking views for firming up of

thoughts/ideas, it is

> > > > > > > > > > fine.However individuals may hold their own contentions till

some thing

> > > > > > > > > > is finally made clear and verfiable.It is also true that it

is not

> > > > > > > > > > correct to twist original rules and apply them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Wisemen Can

> > > > > > > > > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > VJha vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

Sub-periods

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those

editions of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha.

For

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious

verses.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas

cannot be

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern

researchers

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42

types of

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija

||

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah|

| "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not

even name the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication

mentions nine

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later

editions

> > > > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to

D9 :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They

are drawn

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt

Sitaram Jha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth

any reason

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > his followers did not even bother to consult the

manuscripts or

> > > > > > > > > > earlier

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > editions. That is why you do not know these little known

dashaas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True

Moon of D1

> > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its

position in

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously

an error in

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some

software

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > developers have given such options for experimentation.

But there is

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa

computation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my

software for

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1

has aspects

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from

their positions

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > in other vargas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but

before the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > results of such experiments are established, you cannot

classify

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > hypotheses among proven theories.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next

ten years you

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > will shed off many of such confusions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never

intended to

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be

twisted in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > name of seniority in age.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ===

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a

possibility in

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > other vargas ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if

there are

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if

you have no

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting "

to you if

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked

off " ??

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle

( " gutthie " )

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not

have made

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be

told such

> > > > > > > > > > things.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The reason is that these observations came from a

" disgusting " person

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and

must be parked

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > off together with that person.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= = ====

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades,

for how long

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have

somne time

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are

absent from many

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations

for you but

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > mere 'guththies'! !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you

obviously have

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to

the next

> > > > > > > > > > sloka!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real

world have

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We

manage to park

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or

of the

> > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back

burners without

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and

then return to

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience

to tackle

> > > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called

REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits!

Everyone MUST

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is

disgusting, Venus

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as

some

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts

to expose

> > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a

discussion on BPHS

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to

discuss my

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > persona??

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even

informing

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is

internet

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury

being in

> > > > > > > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with

them, but the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new

edition of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with

this idea

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does

not mean

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is

made up of

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is

the meaning

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the

thread to

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to

discuss

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started

by me or for

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======== ==

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken

within seconds?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once

that

> > > > > > > > > > dissolves

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the

name and

> > > > > > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful

name wished

> > > > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > you!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really

live up to

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being

in 5th, 6th,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th, 9th

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded

editors of BPHS

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in

BPHS ??

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which

is

> > > > > > > > > > disgusting.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ====== ==

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you

neglected to post

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > here :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself

made this

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR

recently. Those

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion

concerning

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not

SANTOSH.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on

blind

> > > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga,

excepting

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others.

My sole aim

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is

in the right.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach

it to

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > others. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS

cited in my

> > > > > > > > > > mails

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD,

Venus or

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which

is

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated

verses, let me

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======= ===

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose

to X-post

> > > > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and

particularly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BPHS, i.e., modifications! ), this is what I posted on VA

forum

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make

publicly!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create

more confusion

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just

by snapping

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await

with baited

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > breath!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not

prophesy!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that

free-will can

> > > > > > > > > > change!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my

prediction

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I

posted earlier!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak

ones that

> > > > > > > > > > insist

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > > " VJha "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have

used feline

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your

ten year

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ======

======

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a

canine reference,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt

as to

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously

scholarly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound

or akaasha or

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile

sense and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it

is difficult

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem

to be capable

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even

touching someone!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly

REALITY

> > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I

am doing

> > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to

bark at you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the

> > > > > > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers

lack. Those

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > who do not want to test my free software should forget me,

at least

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear

who is

> > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > confused.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with

erroneous views must

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their

wrong-headed gurus.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is

generated by

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access

or even

> > > > > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals

goes in

> > > > > > > > > > vain.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they

cannot accept it

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by

them were

> > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ???

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

============

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

. com,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong

tree, just

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about

your role in

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that

forum!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > > > > > > > > > thread-header

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant

bolts of

> > > > > > > > > > lightning

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying

attention!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of

discussing

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I

refrained from

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least

explored topics of

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ =========

===== ===

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @

.

> > > > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched

the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather

brilliant

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum,

if we were

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name

for Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where

He lives and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rules from!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts

arrive, pay

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever

your jupiter is

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly

obsessed with

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the

other planets

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their

rather

> > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the

'fitnaas' that

> > > > > > > > > > show

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is

going through

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill

passed! USA is

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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