Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Kulbir, I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) Simple observational FACT! In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Inder Ji, > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > planets as follows > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > strength respectively. > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > Inder > > > > > > <%40>, > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > <%40> > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > football and > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > disturbs all other > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > things which are not > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > and > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > because > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > I > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > world in the era of > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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