What is Drishti? - What is your openion?

April 28, 2006

Dear All,

What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To further help

the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on the same. I

hope that the following will of help in out search for the original

system of Indian Astrology.

=====================================================================

What is Drishti?

================

View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

-------------------

In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) it is said

that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. It is said

that-

3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

4th House - 3/4 Drishti

5th House - 1/2 Drishti

7th House - 1 Drishti

8th House - 3/4 Drishti

9th House - 1/2 Drishti

10th House - 1/4 Drishti

Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a gradual

manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually decrease

after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest that,

Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a Shashtyamsa or

Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would be-

90 deg = 25 %

120 deg = 75 %

150 deg = 50 %

180 deg = 100 %

240 deg = 75 %

270 deg = 50 %

300 deg = 25 %

But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL DEGREES

becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house division

system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! Because then

only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's influence in a

single house itself comes into consideration! But as we know already,

the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. And

therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent as per

ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30 deg each.

Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating Drishti with

angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is nothing but

relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic concept then

the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the following

way -

90 deg = 25 %

120 deg = 50 %

150 deg = 75 %

180 deg = 100 %

240 deg = 75 %

270 deg = 50 %

300 deg = 25 %

Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the simple

formula,

(100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support neither

this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence from the

sign of their placement

----

--------------------

As it happens in several other instances, the very good

text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system followed

by the saints.

In Krishneeya it is said that -

Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

[The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12 houses/signs

from the house/sign they are posited in]

As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as clearly stated

by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani Bhavanm

chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham, Bhavanam

are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the planets have 0%

drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are posited in!

This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or decrement of

Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we follow the

clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

All planets have Drishti towards -

1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - (Full)

2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - Nil

3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 1/2

4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 3/4

5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 1/2

6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - Nil

7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - (Full)

8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 3/4

9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 1/2

10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 1/4

11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - Nil

12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - Nil

Or in other words

All planets have Drishti towards -

1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 100 %

2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 0 %

3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 50 %

4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 75 %

5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 50 %

6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 0 %

7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 100 %

8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 75 %

9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 50 %

10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 25 %

11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 0 %

12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

in - 0 %

If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial Drishti

is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that, we should

accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original

astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have NO RIGHT to

pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati (his

corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.

One more point we should remember - The saints of Arsha

School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School (Garga,

Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti " system! They

have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House)

and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT about " Partial

Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,

Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably it is from

Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial Drishti.

Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An Indian

(Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought who lived

far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the period of

Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused Parasara as

Yevana! So -

1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian astrology,

let us first discard the " gradually increasing or decreasing drishti "

concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative angles

between planets " .

2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then, discard the

concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School and the

Garga School never propose such a thing!!

But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we also respect

the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover Krishneeyam

and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably following

Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing some

Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe Sasi

lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha

gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding the " Partial

Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the corrupting ideas

put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of giving a

strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

=====================================================================

New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based on clear

evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap, Even if

not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas are

welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable persons

like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour more inputs

and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I know that

Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to intution) who

argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in more

inputs.

Love,

Sreenadh

May 1, 2006

Dear Sreenadh ji

Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear the

following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha Drishti.

1)How is Rashi drishti working

2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the adjacent

sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi drishti -do

such drishtis have any effect

4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To further

help

> the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on the same.

I

> hope that the following will of help in out search for the

original

> system of Indian Astrology.

>

=====================================================================

> What is Drishti?

> ================

> View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> -------------------

> In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) it is

said

> that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. It is

said

> that-

> 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> 7th House - 1 Drishti

> 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a gradual

> manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually decrease

> after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest that,

> Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a Shashtyamsa or

> Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would be-

> 90 deg = 25 %

> 120 deg = 75 %

> 150 deg = 50 %

> 180 deg = 100 %

> 240 deg = 75 %

> 270 deg = 50 %

> 300 deg = 25 %

> But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL DEGREES

> becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house division

> system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! Because then

> only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's influence in

a

> single house itself comes into consideration! But as we know

already,

> the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. And

> therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent as per

> ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30 deg

each.

> Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating Drishti with

> angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is nothing

but

> relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic concept

then

> the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the

following

> way -

> 90 deg = 25 %

> 120 deg = 50 %

> 150 deg = 75 %

> 180 deg = 100 %

> 240 deg = 75 %

> 270 deg = 50 %

> 300 deg = 25 %

> Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the simple

> formula,

> (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support neither

> this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence from the

> sign of their placement

> -

---

> --------------------

> As it happens in several other instances, the very good

> text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system

followed

> by the saints.

> In Krishneeya it is said that -

> Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

houses/signs

> from the house/sign they are posited in]

> As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as clearly

stated

> by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani Bhavanm

> chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham,

Bhavanam

> are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the planets have

0%

> drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are posited

in!

> This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or decrement

of

> Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we follow

the

> clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

> All planets have Drishti towards -

> 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - (Full)

> 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - Nil

> 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 1/2

> 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 3/4

> 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 1/2

> 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - Nil

> 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - (Full)

> 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 3/4

> 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 1/2

> 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> in - 1/4

> 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> in - Nil

> 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> in - Nil

> Or in other words

> All planets have Drishti towards -

> 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 100 %

> 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 0 %

> 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 50 %

> 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 75 %

> 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 50 %

> 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 0 %

> 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 100 %

> 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 75 %

> 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited

> in - 50 %

> 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> in - 25 %

> 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> in - 0 %

> 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> in - 0 %

> If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial

Drishti

> is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that, we

should

> accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original

> astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have NO RIGHT

to

> pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati (his

> corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.

> One more point we should remember - The saints of Arsha

> School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School (Garga,

> Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti " system! They

> have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House)

> and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

about " Partial

> Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,

> Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably it is

from

> Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial Drishti.

> Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An Indian

> (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought who lived

> far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the period of

> Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused Parasara as

> Yevana! So -

> 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian astrology,

> let us first discard the " gradually increasing or decreasing

drishti "

> concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative angles

> between planets " .

> 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then, discard

the

> concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School and the

> Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we also

respect

> the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover Krishneeyam

> and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably following

> Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing some

> Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe Sasi

> lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha

> gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding the " Partial

> Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the corrupting

ideas

> put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of giving a

> strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

>

=====================================================================

> New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based on clear

> evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap, Even if

> not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas are

> welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable persons

> like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour more

inputs

> and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I know

that

> Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to intution)

who

> argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in more

> inputs.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

May 1, 2006

Namaste,

I have joined this group a few weeks back and am a silent reader of the forum.

I am of the opinion that Rishis mentioned 'bhava'. They did also mention rashis. Is Bhava and rashi(signs) one and the same thing ? I do not to complex division of houses for the reasons of simplicity and like bhava kundali with equal house divisions, meaning each with a 30 degree span. So some grahas will change bhavas. The rashi kundali is used only from chandra. So when I look at the kundali from chandra lagna , I call that rashi kundali and here only sign positions are taken into account and it is sign = bhava. Looking at kundali from lagna I call it bhava kundali and here the grahas do sift signs based on their degrees vis a vis lagna degree.

....

On 5/1/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

Dear Sreenadh jiHave been waiting to hear from the learned members.My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear the following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha Drishti.

1)How is Rashi drishti working2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the adjacent sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi drishti -do such drishtis have any effect4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.RegdsPradeep

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog

wrote:>> Dear All,> What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To further help > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on the same. I > hope that the following will of help in out search for the original > system of Indian Astrology.> =====================================================================> What is Drishti? > ================> View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets> -------------------> In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) it is

said > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. It is said > that-> 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti> 7th House - 1 Drishti

> 8th House - 3/4 Drishti> 9th House - 1/2 Drishti> 10th House - 1/4 Drishti> Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a gradual > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually decrease > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest that, > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a Shashtyamsa or > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would be-

> 90 deg = 25 %> 120 deg = 75 %> 150 deg = 50 %> 180 deg = 100 %> 240 deg = 75 %> 270 deg = 50 %> 300 deg = 25 %> But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL DEGREES > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house division > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! Because then > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's influence in a > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we know already, > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. And > therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent as per > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30 deg each.> Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating Drishti with > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is nothing but > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic concept then > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the following > way -> 90 deg = 25 %

> 120 deg = 50 %> 150 deg = 75 %> 180 deg = 100 %> 240 deg = 75 %> 270 deg = 50 %> 300 deg = 25 %> Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the simple > formula,> (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %> But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support neither > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .> View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence from the > sign of their placement > ----> --------------------> As it happens in several other instances, the very good > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system followed > by the saints.> In Krishneeya it is said that -> Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati> Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani> [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12 houses/signs > from the house/sign they are posited in]> As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as clearly stated > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani Bhavanm > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham, Bhavanam > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the planets have 0% > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are posited in! > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or decrement of > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we follow the > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

> All planets have Drishti towards -> 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - (Full) > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - Nil> 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 1/2> 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 3/4> 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 1/2> 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - Nil> 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - (Full)> 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 3/4> 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 1/2> 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 1/4> 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - Nil> 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - Nil> Or in other words> All planets have Drishti towards -> 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 100 %> 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 0 %> 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 50 %> 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 75 %> 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 50 %> 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 0 %> 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 100 %> 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 75 %> 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 50 %> 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 25 %> 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 0 %> 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are posited > in - 0 %

> If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial Drishti > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that, we should > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have NO RIGHT to > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati (his > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.> One more point we should remember - The saints of Arsha > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School (Garga, > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti " system! They > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House) > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT about " Partial > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja, > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably it is from > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial Drishti. > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An Indian > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought who lived > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the period of > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused Parasara as > Yevana! So -> 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian astrology, > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or decreasing drishti " > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative angles > between planets " . > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then, discard the > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School and the > Garga School never propose such a thing!! > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we also respect > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover Krishneeyam > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably following > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing some > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe Sasi > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding the " Partial > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the corrupting ideas > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of giving a > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .> =====================================================================> New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based on clear > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap, Even if > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas are > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable persons > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour more inputs > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I know that > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to intution) who > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in more > inputs. > Love,> Sreenadh>

May 2, 2006

Dear Pandit ji,

I don'find any statement in support of considering Rasi and Bhava

as seperate entities in texts before 10th century. But I do find

statements that supports considering Rasi and Bhava as one and the

same entities, with the only difference that Rasis statrs from

Aries, and Bhavas starts from Lagna.

The following is one of the earlier articles I wrote on the same. I

am not challenging your view, but just providing evidence in support

of my arguments.

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Sign and House are the same

===========================

We may think that Sign are House are different, because

there are so many methods - such as one put forward by Sreepathi

(10th century), Krishnamoorthi, 30 Degree equal division etc. Now

what was the opinion of ancient Rishis on this subject? Have they

considered Sign and House differently - except from the fact that

Signs starts from Aris and Houses starts from the Ascendant? Let us

go through some of the available refferences.

Varahamihira (6th Century)

--------------------------

Varahamihira says that - `Rasi kshethra griharksha bhani

bhavanam chaikardha samprethyaye'. Which means - the words Rasi,

Kshethra, Griha, Riksha, Bham and Bhavanam are used in the same

meaning through out the text Varahahora. (Note the fact that the

words Rasi and Griha are used in the same meaning). Ok. For that

what? I will explain. In the 15th sloka of the first chapter he

states that -

`Horadayasthanu kudumba sahotdha bandhu-

puthrari pathni maranani subhaspadaya

ribhakhyamithyupachanyari karma labha-

duschithka samgjitha " grihani " na nithyameke'

Which means that - the Houses (Grihani) starting from

ascendant have the names Thanu (Body -Ascendant), Kudumba (Own

house - 2nd house), Sahotdha (Brothers - 3rd house), Bandhu

(Relatives - 4th house), Puthra (Son - 5th house), Ari (Enemy - 6th

house), Pathni (Wife - 7th house), Marana (Death - 8th house), Subha

(Good things - 9th house), Aspada (Job - 10th house), Aya (Earnings -

11th house), Ribha (Expenditure - 12th house).

Everybody will accept the fact that houses are mentioned

here. I am attracting your attention to the word, which was used to

describe these houses - it is `Griha'. In earlier statement

Varahamihira has already said that the words Griha and Rasi and used

in the same name throughout his text. Is it not a convincing

evidence for the fact that Varahamihira considered Sign (Rasi) and

house as the same? If you are not convinced read the next sloka of

the same text.

'Kalya swa vikrama griha prethibha kshethani

chithodha randhra guru mana bhava vyeyani

legnachathurdha nidhane chathurasra samjche

dunam cha sapthama " griham " desamarkshamajcha'

Which means (only the relevant portion) - the houses

(Griham) starting from the ascendant have the names Kalya (Fame -

Ascendant), Swa (Assets - 2nd house), Vikrama (Courage - 3rd house),

Griha (House were you are born - 4th house), Prethibha

(Intelligence - 5th house), Kshethani (Wounds - 6th house),

Chithodha (Ego - 7th house), Randhra (8th house), Guru (Teacher -

9th house), Mana (Proudness - 10th house), Bhava (Next birth - 11th

house), Vyeya (Expenditure - 12th house).

Here also note the fact that the word Griha is used - which

explicitly means Sign and House at the same time, because the words

Sign and House means the same thing, with the only difference that

Signs are counted from Aris while the Houses are counted from

Ascendant.

Therefore it becomes clear that even at the period of 6th

century AD, Signs and Houses are considered the same. It was people

like Sreepathi (10th century) who made all the confusion by

interpreting Sign and House as two different entities, and by

providing new techniques of the calculation of Houses. (And just

look - in what a mess we are!! There are 5 or more methods for

calculating house!! In which we should depend on?! I don't want to

go into the detail).

Even after all this happened there were learned scholars who

never let away the correct system - and if you are not convinced

read Krishneeyam and Saravali.

Krishneeyam

-----------

Krishneeyam is written by one krishnacharya who probably

lived in the 13th Century AD. A well-known and fascinating

commentary for this classic text is chathura-sundari, written by

Vishnu (the son of madhavacharya who has written madhaveeya).

While commenting on the 9th sloka of Krishneeyam, he

says, " adha moorthyadishu dvadesa rasishu dwadesha bhavanaha " . Which

means, `Starting from the ascendant the twelve signs are also known

as twelve houses'. This is so clear and explicit a statement, that

no true learner of astrology can deny the fact that, Vishnu

considered Signs and Houses as the same thing. This also points to

the fact that, Krishnacharya and Madhavacharya also considered Signs

and Houses as the same thing.

Conclusion

----------

If all these ancient acharyas (Rishis, Parasara,

Varahamihira, Krishnacharya, Madhavacharya, Kalyanavarama etc)

considered Sign and House as the same thing, who are we to say that

they are different. Therefore any true learner of Vedic astrology,

should accept and follow the path shown by these acharyas, and

consider Sign and House as the same thing. (Probably Sreepathi had

started all this trouble)

====================================================================

I am happy to know that you accept Rasi=Bhava at least for Chandra

Kundali.

Love,

Sreenadh

, Panditji

<navagraha wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> I have joined this group a few weeks back and am a silent reader

of

> forum.

> I am of the opinion that Rishis mentioned 'bhava'. They did also

mention

> rashis. Is Bhava and rashi(signs) one and the same thing ? I do not

> to complex division of houses for the reasons of

simplicity

> and like bhava kundali with equal house divisions, meaning each

with a 30

> degree span. So some grahas will change bhavas. The rashi kundali

is used

> only from chandra. So when I look at the kundali from chandra

lagna , I call

> that rashi kundali and here only sign positions are taken into

account and

> it is sign = bhava. Looking at kundali from lagna I call it bhava

kundali

> and here the grahas do sift signs based on their degrees vis a vis

lagna

> degree.

>

> ...

>

> On 5/1/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji

> >

> > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear the

> > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha

Drishti.

> >

> > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the

adjacent

> > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi drishti -

do

> > such drishtis have any effect

> > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To further

> > help

> > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on the

same.

> > I

> > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the

> > original

> > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > What is Drishti?

> > > ================

> > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > -------------------

> > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) it is

> > said

> > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. It

is

> > said

> > > that-

> > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a

gradual

> > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually

decrease

> > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest

that,

> > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a Shashtyamsa

or

> > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would be-

> > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL

DEGREES

> > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

division

> > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! Because

then

> > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

influence in

> > a

> > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we know

> > already,

> > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. And

> > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent as

per

> > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30 deg

> > each.

> > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating Drishti

with

> > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is

nothing

> > but

> > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic concept

> > then

> > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the

> > following

> > > way -

> > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the

simple

> > > formula,

> > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support

neither

> > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence from

the

> > > sign of their placement

> > > ------------------------------

----

> > ---

> > > --------------------

> > > As it happens in several other instances, the very good

> > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system

> > followed

> > > by the saints.

> > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

> > houses/signs

> > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as clearly

> > stated

> > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani Bhavanm

> > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham,

> > Bhavanam

> > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the planets

have

> > 0%

> > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are

posited

> > in!

> > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or

decrement

> > of

> > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we follow

> > the

> > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

> > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - (Full)

> > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - Nil

> > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 1/2

> > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 3/4

> > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 1/2

> > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - Nil

> > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - (Full)

> > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 3/4

> > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 1/2

> > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - 1/4

> > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - Nil

> > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - Nil

> > > Or in other words

> > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 100 %

> > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 0 %

> > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 50 %

> > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 75 %

> > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 50 %

> > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 0 %

> > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 100 %

> > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 75 %

> > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

posited

> > > in - 50 %

> > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - 25 %

> > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - 0 %

> > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - 0 %

> > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial

> > Drishti

> > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that, we

> > should

> > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original

> > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have NO

RIGHT

> > to

> > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati

(his

> > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.

> > > One more point we should remember - The saints of Arsha

> > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School (Garga,

> > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti " system!

They

> > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House)

> > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > about " Partial

> > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,

> > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably it is

> > from

> > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial

Drishti.

> > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An

Indian

> > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought who

lived

> > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the period

of

> > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused Parasara as

> > > Yevana! So -

> > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian

astrology,

> > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or decreasing

> > drishti "

> > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative

angles

> > > between planets " .

> > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then,

discard

> > the

> > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School and

the

> > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we also

> > respect

> > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

Krishneeyam

> > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

following

> > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing some

> > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe Sasi

> > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha

> > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding the " Partial

> > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the corrupting

> > ideas

> > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of giving

a

> > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based on

clear

> > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap,

Even if

> > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas are

> > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable

persons

> > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour more

> > inputs

> > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I know

> > that

> > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to intution)

> > who

> > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in more

> > > inputs.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

May 6, 2006

Dear Shreenadh

" I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

I too wasnt till i got to hear Sanjay Rathji in the last Atri class.

Rasi drishti is explained in Chapter 8 of BPHS, which u must already

be aware of.

One of its applications, according to Jaimini Sutra, is in D-9.

According to this Sutra rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu

through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

U could perhaps listen to the MP3 audio of Sanjayji's class to

understand one of the applications of rasi dristi.

The other very beautiful thing i found about the lecture was the

intro to Vedic Numerology where the generation of numbers was

compared to the wheels within the slot machine. Its very

exhilirating to think that each one of us could have a unique number

generated by the GREAT TIME SLOT MACHINE.

I too posted one message yesterday on this forum which failed to

appear.

Love,

Vinita

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep ji,

> I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. I

> invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " ,

supplying

> relevant quotes as well.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> --- In

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji

> >

> > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear

the

> > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha

Drishti.

> >

> > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the

> adjacent

> > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi drishti -

do

> > such drishtis have any effect

> > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To further

> > help

> > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on the

> same.

> > I

> > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the

> > original

> > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > What is Drishti?

> > > ================

> > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > -------------------

> > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) it

is

> > said

> > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. It

is

> > said

> > > that-

> > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a

gradual

> > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually

> decrease

> > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest

that,

> > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a Shashtyamsa

or

> > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would be-

> > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL

DEGREES

> > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

division

> > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! Because

then

> > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

influence

> in

> > a

> > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we know

> > already,

> > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. And

> > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent as

per

> > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30

deg

> > each.

> > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating Drishti

with

> > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is

nothing

> > but

> > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic

concept

> > then

> > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the

> > following

> > > way -

> > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the

> simple

> > > formula,

> > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support

> neither

> > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence from

> the

> > > sign of their placement

> > > ------------------------------

---

> -

> > ---

> > > --------------------

> > > As it happens in several other instances, the very good

> > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system

> > followed

> > > by the saints.

> > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

> > houses/signs

> > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as clearly

> > stated

> > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani

Bhavanm

> > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham,

> > Bhavanam

> > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the planets

have

> > 0%

> > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are

posited

> > in!

> > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or

> decrement

> > of

> > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we

follow

> > the

> > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

> > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - (Full)

> > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - Nil

> > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 1/2

> > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 3/4

> > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 1/2

> > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - Nil

> > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - (Full)

> > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 3/4

> > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 1/2

> > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - 1/4

> > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - Nil

> > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - Nil

> > > Or in other words

> > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 100 %

> > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 0 %

> > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 50 %

> > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 75 %

> > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 50 %

> > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 0 %

> > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 100 %

> > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 75 %

> > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in - 50 %

> > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - 25 %

> > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - 0 %

> > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > in - 0 %

> > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial

> > Drishti

> > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that, we

> > should

> > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original

> > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have NO

> RIGHT

> > to

> > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati

(his

> > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.

> > > One more point we should remember - The saints of Arsha

> > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School

(Garga,

> > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti " system!

They

> > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House)

> > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > about " Partial

> > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,

> > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably it

is

> > from

> > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial

> Drishti.

> > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An

Indian

> > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought who

> lived

> > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the period

of

> > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused Parasara

as

> > > Yevana! So -

> > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian

astrology,

> > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or decreasing

> > drishti "

> > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative

angles

> > > between planets " .

> > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then,

discard

> > the

> > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School and

the

> > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we also

> > respect

> > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

> Krishneeyam

> > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

following

> > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing some

> > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe Sasi

> > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha

> > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding the " Partial

> > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the

corrupting

> > ideas

> > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of giving

a

> > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based on

> clear

> > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap,

Even

> if

> > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas

are

> > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable

persons

> > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour more

> > inputs

> > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I

know

> > that

> > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to

intution)

> > who

> > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in more

> > > inputs.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

May 6, 2006

Dear Vinita ji,

I said:

> " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

The reason behind was something else. That is, Rasi drishti is not

at all discussed in other schools of astrology, except by Parasara

and Jaimini. I was more interested in the Arsha, Jyna(Garga), Yavana

Schools of thought, than Yevana, Prarasara and Jaimini for long - The

reason being that the first 2 still remain unexplored. The new

revival stream is after Parasara, Jaimini and others will explore

it. It is work sharing ) and my field seems to be different.

Parasara puts forward many new methods - but let us first have a

clear idea of the methods that were in use before him. Yes, the fact

that he mixed several ideas of Yavanacharya with the true Indian

system holds me back to an extend. But yes, he was great! I don't

know much about " jaimini system " and that too seems to be different

from the original stream - and I am still in doubt, to what extend we

can appreciate the mixing of different streams/schools of thought.

Now coming to Sanjay Rath, I appreciate his efforts, and recently

got his book " Crux of Vedic Astrology " , and yet to go through it in

detail. I appreciate his efforts in bring into light the various dasa

systems. But for that he seems to depend too much on " Jataka

Parijata " of recent origin. This text " Jataka Parijata " by " Vidya

nadha suri " is considered as a poetical elaboration of the concepts

put forward in " Varaha Hora " . But many of the concepts put forward in

this text " " Jataka Parijata " does not find authentic classical

support, and to add many are " against " the classical ideas! This is a

text that should approached only with care - but still an appreciable

and worthy text.

I am totally against the divisional chart concept and its absurd

explanations put forward by Sanjay Rath. They find no support from

classics, and it seems that he is intentionally trying to

misinterpret the slokas as far as divisional charts are concerned.

Yes, It is his efforts on explaining various dasa systems that should

be valued, than that funny (since no classics supports it) divisional

charts concept which came into light from no where. I am stating

this only on the basing of having a passing view of his book, " Crux

of Vedic astrology " . Yes, but I should add that it is worthy book for

reading which gives a new outlook for the astrology students and

learners. I appreciate this.

It seems that it is the period of renaissance for astrology. Let

it be Chandra Hari, PVR, Sanjay Rath, or our humble efforts - it is

causing a new out look to emerge. Yes, this list is vast, a new

thought and an innovative idea joining hand in this tide every moment.

PS: Many tides may clash each other exchanging energy or causing

change of direction to many others. But they are all tides for sure.

Let us value the beauty of every tide we see around us.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh

>

> " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

>

> I too wasnt till i got to hear Sanjay Rathji in the last Atri class.

>

> Rasi drishti is explained in Chapter 8 of BPHS, which u must

already

> be aware of.

>

> One of its applications, according to Jaimini Sutra, is in D-9.

> According to this Sutra rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu

> through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

>

> U could perhaps listen to the MP3 audio of Sanjayji's class to

> understand one of the applications of rasi dristi.

>

> The other very beautiful thing i found about the lecture was the

> intro to Vedic Numerology where the generation of numbers was

> compared to the wheels within the slot machine. Its very

> exhilirating to think that each one of us could have a unique

number

> generated by the GREAT TIME SLOT MACHINE.

>

> I too posted one message yesterday on this forum which failed to

> appear.

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. I

> > invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " ,

> supplying

> > relevant quotes as well.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- In

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear

> the

> > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha

> Drishti.

> > >

> > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the

> > adjacent

> > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi

drishti -

> do

> > > such drishtis have any effect

> > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To

further

> > > help

> > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on the

> > same.

> > > I

> > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the

> > > original

> > > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > > What is Drishti?

> > > > ================

> > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > > -------------------

> > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) it

> is

> > > said

> > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. It

> is

> > > said

> > > > that-

> > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a

> gradual

> > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually

> > decrease

> > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest

> that,

> > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a Shashtyamsa

> or

> > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would

be-

> > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL

> DEGREES

> > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

> division

> > > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! Because

> then

> > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

> influence

> > in

> > > a

> > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we know

> > > already,

> > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. And

> > > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent as

> per

> > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30

> deg

> > > each.

> > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating Drishti

> with

> > > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is

> nothing

> > > but

> > > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic

> concept

> > > then

> > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the

> > > following

> > > > way -

> > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the

> > simple

> > > > formula,

> > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support

> > neither

> > > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence

from

> > the

> > > > sign of their placement

> > > > -----------------------------

-

> ---

> > -

> > > ---

> > > > --------------------

> > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very

good

> > > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system

> > > followed

> > > > by the saints.

> > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

> > > houses/signs

> > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as

clearly

> > > stated

> > > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani

> Bhavanm

> > > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham,

> > > Bhavanam

> > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the planets

> have

> > > 0%

> > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are

> posited

> > > in!

> > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or

> > decrement

> > > of

> > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we

> follow

> > > the

> > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

> > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - (Full)

> > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - Nil

> > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 1/2

> > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 3/4

> > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 1/2

> > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - Nil

> > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - (Full)

> > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 3/4

> > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 1/2

> > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - 1/4

> > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - Nil

> > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - Nil

> > > > Or in other words

> > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 100 %

> > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 0 %

> > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 50 %

> > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 75 %

> > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 50 %

> > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 0 %

> > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 100 %

> > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 75 %

> > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 50 %

> > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - 25 %

> > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - 0 %

> > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - 0 %

> > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial

> > > Drishti

> > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that, we

> > > should

> > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original

> > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have NO

> > RIGHT

> > > to

> > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati

> (his

> > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.

> > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of

Arsha

> > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School

> (Garga,

> > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti " system!

> They

> > > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House)

> > > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > > about " Partial

> > > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,

> > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably it

> is

> > > from

> > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial

> > Drishti.

> > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An

> Indian

> > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought who

> > lived

> > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the

period

> of

> > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused Parasara

> as

> > > > Yevana! So -

> > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian

> astrology,

> > > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or decreasing

> > > drishti "

> > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative

> angles

> > > > between planets " .

> > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then,

> discard

> > > the

> > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School and

> the

> > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we also

> > > respect

> > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

> > Krishneeyam

> > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

> following

> > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing some

> > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe Sasi

> > > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha

> > > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding the " Partial

> > > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the

> corrupting

> > > ideas

> > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of

giving

> a

> > > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based on

> > clear

> > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap,

> Even

> > if

> > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas

> are

> > > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable

> persons

> > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour

more

> > > inputs

> > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I

> know

> > > that

> > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to

> intution)

> > > who

> > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in more

> > > > inputs.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 6, 2006

Dear Shreenadh, all,

I wish u and others on this forum good luck in your explorations. As

for me, I get too much daunted by this ocean of knowledge and all

the waves....I would like to just stand by and watch the

play....hoping that things would connect anyway....even without the

knowledge / jyotishmati.

Best wishes and warm regards,

Vinita

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> I said:

> > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

> The reason behind was something else. That is, Rasi drishti is

not

> at all discussed in other schools of astrology, except by Parasara

> and Jaimini. I was more interested in the Arsha, Jyna(Garga),

Yavana

> Schools of thought, than Yevana, Prarasara and Jaimini for long -

The

> reason being that the first 2 still remain unexplored. The new

> revival stream is after Parasara, Jaimini and others will explore

> it. It is work sharing ) and my field seems to be different.

> Parasara puts forward many new methods - but let us first have a

> clear idea of the methods that were in use before him. Yes, the

fact

> that he mixed several ideas of Yavanacharya with the true Indian

> system holds me back to an extend. But yes, he was great! I don't

> know much about " jaimini system " and that too seems to be

different

> from the original stream - and I am still in doubt, to what extend

we

> can appreciate the mixing of different streams/schools of thought.

> Now coming to Sanjay Rath, I appreciate his efforts, and recently

> got his book " Crux of Vedic Astrology " , and yet to go through it

in

> detail. I appreciate his efforts in bring into light the various

dasa

> systems. But for that he seems to depend too much on " Jataka

> Parijata " of recent origin. This text " Jataka Parijata " by " Vidya

> nadha suri " is considered as a poetical elaboration of the

concepts

> put forward in " Varaha Hora " . But many of the concepts put forward

in

> this text " " Jataka Parijata " does not find authentic classical

> support, and to add many are " against " the classical ideas! This

is a

> text that should approached only with care - but still an

appreciable

> and worthy text.

> I am totally against the divisional chart concept and its absurd

> explanations put forward by Sanjay Rath. They find no support from

> classics, and it seems that he is intentionally trying to

> misinterpret the slokas as far as divisional charts are concerned.

> Yes, It is his efforts on explaining various dasa systems that

should

> be valued, than that funny (since no classics supports it)

divisional

> charts concept which came into light from no where. I am

stating

> this only on the basing of having a passing view of his

book, " Crux

> of Vedic astrology " . Yes, but I should add that it is worthy book

for

> reading which gives a new outlook for the astrology students and

> learners. I appreciate this.

> It seems that it is the period of renaissance for astrology.

Let

> it be Chandra Hari, PVR, Sanjay Rath, or our humble efforts - it

is

> causing a new out look to emerge. Yes, this list is vast, a new

> thought and an innovative idea joining hand in this tide every

moment.

>

> PS: Many tides may clash each other exchanging energy or causing

> change of direction to many others. But they are all tides for

sure.

> Let us value the beauty of every tide we see around us.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh

> >

> > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

> >

> > I too wasnt till i got to hear Sanjay Rathji in the last Atri

class.

> >

> > Rasi drishti is explained in Chapter 8 of BPHS, which u must

> already

> > be aware of.

> >

> > One of its applications, according to Jaimini Sutra, is in D-9.

> > According to this Sutra rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu

> > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

> >

> > U could perhaps listen to the MP3 audio of Sanjayji's class to

> > understand one of the applications of rasi dristi.

> >

> > The other very beautiful thing i found about the lecture was the

> > intro to Vedic Numerology where the generation of numbers was

> > compared to the wheels within the slot machine. Its very

> > exhilirating to think that each one of us could have a unique

> number

> > generated by the GREAT TIME SLOT MACHINE.

> >

> > I too posted one message yesterday on this forum which failed to

> > appear.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application.

I

> > > invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " ,

> > supplying

> > > relevant quotes as well.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > --- In

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to

clear

> > the

> > > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha

> > Drishti.

> > > >

> > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the

> > > adjacent

> > > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi

> drishti -

> > do

> > > > such drishtis have any effect

> > > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

<sreesog@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To

> further

> > > > help

> > > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on

the

> > > same.

> > > > I

> > > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the

> > > > original

> > > > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > > > What is Drishti?

> > > > > ================

> > > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > > > -------------------

> > > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora)

it

> > is

> > > > said

> > > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses.

It

> > is

> > > > said

> > > > > that-

> > > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a

> > gradual

> > > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually

> > > decrease

> > > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to

suggest

> > that,

> > > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a

Shashtyamsa

> > or

> > > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him

would

> be-

> > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL

> > DEGREES

> > > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

> > division

> > > > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!!

Because

> > then

> > > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

> > influence

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we

know

> > > > already,

> > > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same.

And

> > > > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent

as

> > per

> > > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of

30

> > deg

> > > > each.

> > > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating

Drishti

> > with

> > > > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is

> > nothing

> > > > but

> > > > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic

> > concept

> > > > then

> > > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the

> > > > following

> > > > > way -

> > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use

the

> > > simple

> > > > > formula,

> > > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support

> > > neither

> > > > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence

> from

> > > the

> > > > > sign of their placement

> > > > > --------------------------

---

> -

> > ---

> > > -

> > > > ---

> > > > > --------------------

> > > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very

> good

> > > > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system

> > > > followed

> > > > > by the saints.

> > > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

> > > > houses/signs

> > > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as

> clearly

> > > > stated

> > > > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani

> > Bhavanm

> > > > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham,

> > > > Bhavanam

> > > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the

planets

> > have

> > > > 0%

> > > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in!

> > > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or

> > > decrement

> > > > of

> > > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we

> > follow

> > > > the

> > > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

> > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - 1/4

> > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > Or in other words

> > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - 25 %

> > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about

partial

> > > > Drishti

> > > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that,

we

> > > > should

> > > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original

> > > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have

NO

> > > RIGHT

> > > > to

> > > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> > > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject

Sripati

> > (his

> > > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.

> > > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of

> Arsha

> > > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School

> > (Garga,

> > > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti "

system!

> > They

> > > > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House)

> > > > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > > > about " Partial

> > > > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,

> > > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably

it

> > is

> > > > from

> > > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial

> > > Drishti.

> > > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An

> > Indian

> > > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought

who

> > > lived

> > > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the

> period

> > of

> > > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused

Parasara

> > as

> > > > > Yevana! So -

> > > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian

> > astrology,

> > > > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or

decreasing

> > > > drishti "

> > > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative

> > angles

> > > > > between planets " .

> > > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then,

> > discard

> > > > the

> > > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School

and

> > the

> > > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we

also

> > > > respect

> > > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

> > > Krishneeyam

> > > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

> > following

> > > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing

some

> > > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe

Sasi

> > > > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha

> > > > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding

the " Partial

> > > > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the

> > corrupting

> > > > ideas

> > > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of

> giving

> > a

> > > > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based

on

> > > clear

> > > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap,

> > Even

> > > if

> > > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and

ideas

> > are

> > > > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable

> > persons

> > > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour

> more

> > > > inputs

> > > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I

> > know

> > > > that

> > > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to

> > intution)

> > > > who

> > > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in

more

> > > > > inputs.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 6, 2006

Dear Vinita ji,

I forgot to add one point.

You said:

> rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu

> through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

The point that instentanously originated in my mind is that, we

haven't yet discussed the point " How karakatwas are considered? "

or " How significance of various things gets associated with planets " .

The important point is:

" Any planet can be a karaka for anything (as per placement) " !!!!

The sloka that instenatiously comes to my mind is -

" Adhipa sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita " Meaning, the lord of any

house is significator for all the things indicated by that house.

House and sign are the same. So it means that, that planet becomes

the significator for everying indicated by that sign as well!

As told earlier, Significance is assigned to -

1) Signs 2) Houses 4) Nakshatras 3) Planets

Let us take the question, who is vidya karaka?

Me is vidya karaka, Ju is vidya karaka, Sa is vidya karaka

especially related to sanyasa, Su is vidya karaka since sun

represents atma, Mo is vidyakaraka since mo represents mind, Ma is

vidyakaraka especially related to weapons, etc. Any one can extend it

and we would be in trouble if we are trying to assign vidya karakatwa

to a single planet alone! The same is the situation, when we are

trying to locate Atma karaka and Moksha karaka as well! So I am

against the compartmentalisation is karakatwas, and let us be

fluxible in such issues, as we are dealing with a subject that

follows holistic method.

In this light if we are looking at -

1) Atmakaraka, Pitr karaka etc concept (Parasara/Jaimini)

2) Assigning special fixed karakas to houses

3) Sahamas concept (Forgive my ignorance - who coined that word?) -

which as per classical astrology is termed " Sphuta Yoga " - which

associates a single thing with special logitudinal degrees.

What should be our view? All these are innovative methods and

should be appreciated. But are they part of the original stream of

thought?

I invite all to shed more light on the issues involved.

PS: We should disuses the question " In how many methods significance

could get associated to a planet?' in detail. That is also part of

the basics.

Dear vinita ji, thanks for the information shared and my regards to

Sanjay ji as well. Forgive my ignorance - but I am yet to learn in

detail BPHS and Jaimini sutra. Or it is better to say I am familiar

with BPHS to an extend (at least about the concepts discussed in BPHS

that are in line with the conventional astrology), but have no idea

about Jaimini sutra till now. I should turn my attention in those

directions as well - but before that itself, much work to do in other

areas.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> I said:

> > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

> The reason behind was something else. That is, Rasi drishti is not

> at all discussed in other schools of astrology, except by Parasara

> and Jaimini. I was more interested in the Arsha, Jyna(Garga)

> Schools of thought, than Yevana, Prarasara and Jaimini for long -

The

> reason being that the first 2 still remain unexplored. The new

> revival stream is after Parasara, Jaimini and others will explore

> it. It is work sharing ) and my field seems to be different.

> Parasara puts forward many new methods - but let us first have a

> clear idea of the methods that were in use before him. Yes, the

fact

> that he mixed several ideas of Yavanacharya with the true Indian

> system holds me back to an extend. But yes, he was great! I don't

> know much about " jaimini system " and that too seems to be different

> from the original stream - and I am still in doubt, to what extend

we

> can appreciate the mixing of different streams/schools of thought.

> Now coming to Sanjay Rath, I appreciate his efforts, and recently

> got his book " Crux of Vedic Astrology " , and yet to go through it in

> detail. I appreciate his efforts in bring into light the various

dasa

> systems. But for that he seems to depend too much on " Jataka

> Parijata " of recent origin. This text " Jataka Parijata " by " Vidya

> nadha suri " is considered as a poetical elaboration of the concepts

> put forward in " Varaha Hora " . But many of the concepts put forward

in

> this text " " Jataka Parijata " does not find authentic classical

> support, and to add many are " against " the classical ideas! This is

a

> text that should approached only with care - but still an

appreciable

> and worthy text.

> I am totally against the divisional chart concept and its absurd

> explanations put forward by Sanjay Rath. They find no support from

> classics, and it seems that he is intentionally trying to

> misinterpret the slokas as far as divisional charts are concerned.

> Yes, It is his efforts on explaining various dasa systems that

should

> be valued, than that funny (since no classics supports it)

divisional

> charts concept which came into light from no where. I am stating

> this only on the basing of having a passing view of his book, " Crux

> of Vedic astrology " . Yes, but I should add that it is worthy book

for

> reading which gives a new outlook for the astrology students and

> learners. I appreciate this.

> It seems that it is the period of renaissance for astrology.

Let

> it be Chandra Hari, PVR, Sanjay Rath, or our humble efforts - it is

> causing a new out look to emerge. Yes, this list is vast, a new

> thought and an innovative idea joining hand in this tide every

moment.

>

> PS: Many tides may clash each other exchanging energy or causing

> change of direction to many others. But they are all tides for

sure.

> Let us value the beauty of every tide we see around us.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh

> >

> > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

> >

> > I too wasnt till i got to hear Sanjay Rathji in the last Atri

class.

> >

> > Rasi drishti is explained in Chapter 8 of BPHS, which u must

> already

> > be aware of.

> >

> > One of its applications, according to Jaimini Sutra, is in D-9.

> > According to this Sutra rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu

> > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

> >

> > U could perhaps listen to the MP3 audio of Sanjayji's class to

> > understand one of the applications of rasi dristi.

> >

> > The other very beautiful thing i found about the lecture was the

> > intro to Vedic Numerology where the generation of numbers was

> > compared to the wheels within the slot machine. Its very

> > exhilirating to think that each one of us could have a unique

> number

> > generated by the GREAT TIME SLOT MACHINE.

> >

> > I too posted one message yesterday on this forum which failed to

> > appear.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application.

I

> > > invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " ,

> > supplying

> > > relevant quotes as well.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > --- In

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear

> > the

> > > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha

> > Drishti.

> > > >

> > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the

> > > adjacent

> > > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi

> drishti -

> > do

> > > > such drishtis have any effect

> > > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

<sreesog@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To

> further

> > > > help

> > > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on

the

> > > same.

> > > > I

> > > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the

> > > > original

> > > > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > > > What is Drishti?

> > > > > ================

> > > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > > > -------------------

> > > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora)

it

> > is

> > > > said

> > > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses.

It

> > is

> > > > said

> > > > > that-

> > > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a

> > gradual

> > > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually

> > > decrease

> > > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest

> > that,

> > > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a

Shashtyamsa

> > or

> > > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would

> be-

> > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL

> > DEGREES

> > > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

> > division

> > > > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!!

Because

> > then

> > > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

> > influence

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we

know

> > > > already,

> > > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same.

And

> > > > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent

as

> > per

> > > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30

> > deg

> > > > each.

> > > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating

Drishti

> > with

> > > > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is

> > nothing

> > > > but

> > > > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic

> > concept

> > > > then

> > > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the

> > > > following

> > > > > way -

> > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the

> > > simple

> > > > > formula,

> > > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support

> > > neither

> > > > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence

> from

> > > the

> > > > > sign of their placement

> > > > > ---------------------------

--

> -

> > ---

> > > -

> > > > ---

> > > > > --------------------

> > > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very

> good

> > > > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system

> > > > followed

> > > > > by the saints.

> > > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

> > > > houses/signs

> > > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as

> clearly

> > > > stated

> > > > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani

> > Bhavanm

> > > > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham,

> > > > Bhavanam

> > > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the

planets

> > have

> > > > 0%

> > > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in!

> > > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or

> > > decrement

> > > > of

> > > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we

> > follow

> > > > the

> > > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

> > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - 1/4

> > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > Or in other words

> > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - 25 %

> > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial

> > > > Drishti

> > > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that,

we

> > > > should

> > > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original

> > > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have

NO

> > > RIGHT

> > > > to

> > > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> > > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati

> > (his

> > > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.

> > > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of

> Arsha

> > > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School

> > (Garga,

> > > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti "

system!

> > They

> > > > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House)

> > > > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > > > about " Partial

> > > > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,

> > > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably

it

> > is

> > > > from

> > > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial

> > > Drishti.

> > > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An

> > Indian

> > > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought

who

> > > lived

> > > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the

> period

> > of

> > > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused

Parasara

> > as

> > > > > Yevana! So -

> > > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian

> > astrology,

> > > > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or

decreasing

> > > > drishti "

> > > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative

> > angles

> > > > > between planets " .

> > > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then,

> > discard

> > > > the

> > > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School

and

> > the

> > > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we

also

> > > > respect

> > > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

> > > Krishneeyam

> > > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

> > following

> > > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing

some

> > > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe

Sasi

> > > > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha

> > > > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding

the " Partial

> > > > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the

> > corrupting

> > > > ideas

> > > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of

> giving

> > a

> > > > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based

on

> > > clear

> > > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap,

> > Even

> > > if

> > > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas

> > are

> > > > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable

> > persons

> > > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour

> more

> > > > inputs

> > > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I

> > know

> > > > that

> > > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to

> > intution)

> > > > who

> > > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in

more

> > > > > inputs.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 6, 2006

Dear Shreenadh,

In the final tier, I suppose everything merges. So what is the

purpose of compartmentalisation, whether it is bhavas, grahas,

Karakatwas, or whatever...

Somebody compared the different systems of astrology to the

different systems that work on computers. Each works fine and

independantly of the other and gives the desired result.

When I read about the predictions for Pramod Mahajan the thought

crossed my mind that even with difference of one year in the date of

birth / lagna, etc., the predictions converged....not just of the

demise but the life profile too!!!

Each person had very convincing reasons for the prediction. (How

convincing I am no one to judge because I know nothing of the

subject).

Maybe we should not mix up systems because then we will get very

mixed up results.

Each branch of knowledge can shine on its own, perhaps.

Love,

Vinita

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> I forgot to add one point.

> You said:

> > rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu

> > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

> The point that instentanously originated in my mind is that, we

> haven't yet discussed the point " How karakatwas are considered? "

> or " How significance of various things gets associated with

planets " .

> The important point is:

> " Any planet can be a karaka for anything (as per placement) " !!!!

> The sloka that instenatiously comes to my mind is -

> " Adhipa sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita " Meaning, the lord of

any

> house is significator for all the things indicated by that house.

> House and sign are the same. So it means that, that planet becomes

> the significator for everying indicated by that sign as well!

> As told earlier, Significance is assigned to -

> 1) Signs 2) Houses 4) Nakshatras 3) Planets

> Let us take the question, who is vidya karaka?

> Me is vidya karaka, Ju is vidya karaka, Sa is vidya karaka

> especially related to sanyasa, Su is vidya karaka since sun

> represents atma, Mo is vidyakaraka since mo represents mind, Ma is

> vidyakaraka especially related to weapons, etc. Any one can extend

it

> and we would be in trouble if we are trying to assign vidya

karakatwa

> to a single planet alone! The same is the situation, when we are

> trying to locate Atma karaka and Moksha karaka as well! So I am

> against the compartmentalisation is karakatwas, and let us be

> fluxible in such issues, as we are dealing with a subject that

> follows holistic method.

> In this light if we are looking at -

> 1) Atmakaraka, Pitr karaka etc concept (Parasara/Jaimini)

> 2) Assigning special fixed karakas to houses

> 3) Sahamas concept (Forgive my ignorance - who coined that

word?) -

> which as per classical astrology is termed " Sphuta Yoga " - which

> associates a single thing with special logitudinal degrees.

> What should be our view? All these are innovative methods and

> should be appreciated. But are they part of the original stream of

> thought?

> I invite all to shed more light on the issues involved.

> PS: We should disuses the question " In how many methods

significance

> could get associated to a planet?' in detail. That is also part of

> the basics.

> Dear vinita ji, thanks for the information shared and my regards

to

> Sanjay ji as well. Forgive my ignorance - but I am yet to learn in

> detail BPHS and Jaimini sutra. Or it is better to say I am

familiar

> with BPHS to an extend (at least about the concepts discussed in

BPHS

> that are in line with the conventional astrology), but have no

idea

> about Jaimini sutra till now. I should turn my attention in those

> directions as well - but before that itself, much work to do in

other

> areas.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinita ji,

> > I said:

> > > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

> > The reason behind was something else. That is, Rasi drishti is

not

> > at all discussed in other schools of astrology, except by

Parasara

> > and Jaimini. I was more interested in the Arsha, Jyna(Garga)

> > Schools of thought, than Yevana, Prarasara and Jaimini for long -

> The

> > reason being that the first 2 still remain unexplored. The new

> > revival stream is after Parasara, Jaimini and others will

explore

> > it. It is work sharing ) and my field seems to be

different.

> > Parasara puts forward many new methods - but let us first have a

> > clear idea of the methods that were in use before him. Yes, the

> fact

> > that he mixed several ideas of Yavanacharya with the true Indian

> > system holds me back to an extend. But yes, he was great! I

don't

> > know much about " jaimini system " and that too seems to be

different

> > from the original stream - and I am still in doubt, to what

extend

> we

> > can appreciate the mixing of different streams/schools of

thought.

> > Now coming to Sanjay Rath, I appreciate his efforts, and

recently

> > got his book " Crux of Vedic Astrology " , and yet to go through it

in

> > detail. I appreciate his efforts in bring into light the various

> dasa

> > systems. But for that he seems to depend too much on " Jataka

> > Parijata " of recent origin. This text " Jataka Parijata "

by " Vidya

> > nadha suri " is considered as a poetical elaboration of the

concepts

> > put forward in " Varaha Hora " . But many of the concepts put

forward

> in

> > this text " " Jataka Parijata " does not find authentic classical

> > support, and to add many are " against " the classical ideas! This

is

> a

> > text that should approached only with care - but still an

> appreciable

> > and worthy text.

> > I am totally against the divisional chart concept and its

absurd

> > explanations put forward by Sanjay Rath. They find no support

from

> > classics, and it seems that he is intentionally trying to

> > misinterpret the slokas as far as divisional charts are

concerned.

> > Yes, It is his efforts on explaining various dasa systems that

> should

> > be valued, than that funny (since no classics supports it)

> divisional

> > charts concept which came into light from no where. I am

stating

> > this only on the basing of having a passing view of his

book, " Crux

> > of Vedic astrology " . Yes, but I should add that it is worthy

book

> for

> > reading which gives a new outlook for the astrology students and

> > learners. I appreciate this.

> > It seems that it is the period of renaissance for astrology.

> Let

> > it be Chandra Hari, PVR, Sanjay Rath, or our humble efforts - it

is

> > causing a new out look to emerge. Yes, this list is vast, a new

> > thought and an innovative idea joining hand in this tide every

> moment.

> >

> > PS: Many tides may clash each other exchanging energy or

causing

> > change of direction to many others. But they are all tides for

> sure.

> > Let us value the beauty of every tide we see around us.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " vinita kumar "

> > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadh

> > >

> > > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

> > >

> > > I too wasnt till i got to hear Sanjay Rathji in the last Atri

> class.

> > >

> > > Rasi drishti is explained in Chapter 8 of BPHS, which u must

> > already

> > > be aware of.

> > >

> > > One of its applications, according to Jaimini Sutra, is in D-

9.

> > > According to this Sutra rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> > > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with

Ketu

> > > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

> > >

> > > U could perhaps listen to the MP3 audio of Sanjayji's class to

> > > understand one of the applications of rasi dristi.

> > >

> > > The other very beautiful thing i found about the lecture was

the

> > > intro to Vedic Numerology where the generation of numbers was

> > > compared to the wheels within the slot machine. Its very

> > > exhilirating to think that each one of us could have a unique

> > number

> > > generated by the GREAT TIME SLOT MACHINE.

> > >

> > > I too posted one message yesterday on this forum which failed

to

> > > appear.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Vinita

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its

application.

> I

> > > > invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " ,

> > > supplying

> > > > relevant quotes as well.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > > > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to

clear

> > > the

> > > > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to

Graha

> > > Drishti.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > > > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is

the

> > > > adjacent

> > > > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > > > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi

> > drishti -

> > > do

> > > > > such drishtis have any effect

> > > > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To

> > further

> > > > > help

> > > > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on

> the

> > > > same.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for

the

> > > > > original

> > > > > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > > > > What is Drishti?

> > > > > > ================

> > > > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > > > > -------------------

> > > > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana

Hora)

> it

> > > is

> > > > > said

> > > > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some

houses.

> It

> > > is

> > > > > said

> > > > > > that-

> > > > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in

a

> > > gradual

> > > > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO

gradually

> > > > decrease

> > > > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to

suggest

> > > that,

> > > > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a

> Shashtyamsa

> > > or

> > > > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him

would

> > be-

> > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL

> > > DEGREES

> > > > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

> > > division

> > > > > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!!

> Because

> > > then

> > > > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

> > > influence

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we

> know

> > > > > already,

> > > > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the

same.

> And

> > > > > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was

prevalent

> as

> > > per

> > > > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of

30

> > > deg

> > > > > each.

> > > > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating

> Drishti

> > > with

> > > > > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is

> > > nothing

> > > > > but

> > > > > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic

> > > concept

> > > > > then

> > > > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in

the

> > > > > following

> > > > > > way -

> > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use

the

> > > > simple

> > > > > > formula,

> > > > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints

support

> > > > neither

> > > > > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets

influence

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > sign of their placement

> > > > > > ------------------------

---

> --

> > -

> > > ---

> > > > -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > --------------------

> > > > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very

> > good

> > > > > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original

system

> > > > > followed

> > > > > > by the saints.

> > > > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

> > > > > houses/signs

> > > > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as

> > clearly

> > > > > stated

> > > > > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani

> > > Bhavanm

> > > > > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha,

Bham,

> > > > > Bhavanam

> > > > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the

> planets

> > > have

> > > > > 0%

> > > > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they

are

> > > posited

> > > > > in!

> > > > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or

> > > > decrement

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we

> > > follow

> > > > > the

> > > > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get

is -

> > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 1/4

> > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > Or in other words

> > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 25 %

> > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about

partial

> > > > > Drishti

> > > > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say

that,

> we

> > > > > should

> > > > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the

original

> > > > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We

have

> NO

> > > > RIGHT

> > > > > to

> > > > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> > > > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject

Sripati

> > > (his

> > > > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same

spirit.

> > > > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of

> > Arsha

> > > > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School

> > > (Garga,

> > > > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti "

> system!

> > > They

> > > > > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th

House)

> > > > > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > > > > about " Partial

> > > > > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara,

Meenaraja,

> > > > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti.

Probably

> it

> > > is

> > > > > from

> > > > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of

Partial

> > > > Drishti.

> > > > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara

[An

> > > Indian

> > > > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought

> who

> > > > lived

> > > > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the

> > period

> > > of

> > > > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused

> Parasara

> > > as

> > > > > > Yevana! So -

> > > > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian

> > > astrology,

> > > > > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or

> decreasing

> > > > > drishti "

> > > > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is

relative

> > > angles

> > > > > > between planets " .

> > > > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then,

> > > discard

> > > > > the

> > > > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha

School

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we

> also

> > > > > respect

> > > > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

> > > > Krishneeyam

> > > > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

> > > following

> > > > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing

> some

> > > > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe

> Sasi

> > > > > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH

syachubha

> > > > > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding

> the " Partial

> > > > > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the

> > > corrupting

> > > > > ideas

> > > > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of

> > giving

> > > a

> > > > > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially

based

> on

> > > > clear

> > > > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome.

Yap,

> > > Even

> > > > if

> > > > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and

ideas

> > > are

> > > > > > welcome. I would personally request well

knowledgeable

> > > persons

> > > > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to

pour

> > more

> > > > > inputs

> > > > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As

I

> > > know

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to

> > > intution)

> > > > > who

> > > > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in

> more

> > > > > > inputs.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 6, 2006

Dear vinita ji,

You said:

> In the final tier, I suppose everything merges. So what is the

> purpose of compartmentalisation, whether it is bhavas, grahas,

> Karakatwas, or whatever...

Yes, you are right. But the point is " mind can ONLY deal with

classifications " , and so there is no other way but to

compartmentalize. But it leads to the thought that, every compartment

(or parts of the system) is water proof and is not at all connected

with the other. Where us whole does not have any

compartmentalization/classification at all!! The is reason for my

statement, I am against compartmentalization, but from the above you

could see that, me (or any one) have to resort to classifications and

compartmentalization to an extend. There is no other way! It is the

way the mind works, so we have no escape! It is something like trying

to have a grasp of the thing beyond the system from within the system

(or by using the system) itself. since the system is also part of the

beyond.

It is again where the frame of reference comes into consideration.

You said:

> Maybe we should not mix up systems because then we will get very

> mixed up results.

Same reasons for compartmentalization applies here as well. Let us

study the parts and then try to get the total view and resolve

the " Why? " s. Otherwise we will get unnecessarily confused. That is

why " not mixing the systems " becomes important.

> Each branch of knowledge can shine on its own, perhaps.

Yes, Each branch of knowledge can shine on its own. And it can shine

together only in the hands of a person who is the true master of all

systems! Even those rishis never argued that they are master of all

and better than all!

You are exactly on the crux.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> In the final tier, I suppose everything merges. So what is the

> purpose of compartmentalisation, whether it is bhavas, grahas,

> Karakatwas, or whatever...

>

> Somebody compared the different systems of astrology to the

> different systems that work on computers. Each works fine and

> independantly of the other and gives the desired result.

>

> When I read about the predictions for Pramod Mahajan the thought

> crossed my mind that even with difference of one year in the date

of

> birth / lagna, etc., the predictions converged....not just of the

> demise but the life profile too!!!

>

> Each person had very convincing reasons for the prediction. (How

> convincing I am no one to judge because I know nothing of the

> subject).

>

> Maybe we should not mix up systems because then we will get very

> mixed up results.

>

> Each branch of knowledge can shine on its own, perhaps.

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinita ji,

> > I forgot to add one point.

> > You said:

> > > rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> > > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu

> > > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

> > The point that instentanously originated in my mind is that, we

> > haven't yet discussed the point " How karakatwas are considered? "

> > or " How significance of various things gets associated with

> planets " .

> > The important point is:

> > " Any planet can be a karaka for anything (as per placement) " !!!!

> > The sloka that instenatiously comes to my mind is -

> > " Adhipa sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita " Meaning, the lord of

> any

> > house is significator for all the things indicated by that house.

> > House and sign are the same. So it means that, that planet

becomes

> > the significator for everying indicated by that sign as well!

> > As told earlier, Significance is assigned to -

> > 1) Signs 2) Houses 4) Nakshatras 3) Planets

> > Let us take the question, who is vidya karaka?

> > Me is vidya karaka, Ju is vidya karaka, Sa is vidya karaka

> > especially related to sanyasa, Su is vidya karaka since sun

> > represents atma, Mo is vidyakaraka since mo represents mind, Ma

is

> > vidyakaraka especially related to weapons, etc. Any one can

extend

> it

> > and we would be in trouble if we are trying to assign vidya

> karakatwa

> > to a single planet alone! The same is the situation, when we are

> > trying to locate Atma karaka and Moksha karaka as well! So I am

> > against the compartmentalisation is karakatwas, and let us be

> > fluxible in such issues, as we are dealing with a subject that

> > follows holistic method.

> > In this light if we are looking at -

> > 1) Atmakaraka, Pitr karaka etc concept (Parasara/Jaimini)

> > 2) Assigning special fixed karakas to houses

> > 3) Sahamas concept (Forgive my ignorance - who coined that

> word?) -

> > which as per classical astrology is termed " Sphuta Yoga " - which

> > associates a single thing with special logitudinal degrees.

> > What should be our view? All these are innovative methods and

> > should be appreciated. But are they part of the original stream

of

> > thought?

> > I invite all to shed more light on the issues involved.

> > PS: We should disuses the question " In how many methods

> significance

> > could get associated to a planet?' in detail. That is also part

of

> > the basics.

> > Dear vinita ji, thanks for the information shared and my regards

> to

> > Sanjay ji as well. Forgive my ignorance - but I am yet to learn

in

> > detail BPHS and Jaimini sutra. Or it is better to say I am

> familiar

> > with BPHS to an extend (at least about the concepts discussed in

> BPHS

> > that are in line with the conventional astrology), but have no

> idea

> > about Jaimini sutra till now. I should turn my attention in those

> > directions as well - but before that itself, much work to do in

> other

> > areas.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinita ji,

> > > I said:

> > > > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its

application. "

> > > The reason behind was something else. That is, Rasi drishti is

> not

> > > at all discussed in other schools of astrology, except by

> Parasara

> > > and Jaimini. I was more interested in the Arsha, Jyna(Garga)

> > > Schools of thought, than Yevana, Prarasara and Jaimini for

long -

>

> > The

> > > reason being that the first 2 still remain unexplored. The new

> > > revival stream is after Parasara, Jaimini and others will

> explore

> > > it. It is work sharing ) and my field seems to be

> different.

> > > Parasara puts forward many new methods - but let us first have

a

> > > clear idea of the methods that were in use before him. Yes, the

> > fact

> > > that he mixed several ideas of Yavanacharya with the true

Indian

> > > system holds me back to an extend. But yes, he was great! I

> don't

> > > know much about " jaimini system " and that too seems to be

> different

> > > from the original stream - and I am still in doubt, to what

> extend

> > we

> > > can appreciate the mixing of different streams/schools of

> thought.

> > > Now coming to Sanjay Rath, I appreciate his efforts, and

> recently

> > > got his book " Crux of Vedic Astrology " , and yet to go through

it

> in

> > > detail. I appreciate his efforts in bring into light the

various

> > dasa

> > > systems. But for that he seems to depend too much on " Jataka

> > > Parijata " of recent origin. This text " Jataka Parijata "

> by " Vidya

> > > nadha suri " is considered as a poetical elaboration of the

> concepts

> > > put forward in " Varaha Hora " . But many of the concepts put

> forward

> > in

> > > this text " " Jataka Parijata " does not find authentic classical

> > > support, and to add many are " against " the classical ideas!

This

> is

> > a

> > > text that should approached only with care - but still an

> > appreciable

> > > and worthy text.

> > > I am totally against the divisional chart concept and its

> absurd

> > > explanations put forward by Sanjay Rath. They find no support

> from

> > > classics, and it seems that he is intentionally trying to

> > > misinterpret the slokas as far as divisional charts are

> concerned.

> > > Yes, It is his efforts on explaining various dasa systems that

> > should

> > > be valued, than that funny (since no classics supports it)

> > divisional

> > > charts concept which came into light from no where. I am

> stating

> > > this only on the basing of having a passing view of his

> book, " Crux

> > > of Vedic astrology " . Yes, but I should add that it is worthy

> book

> > for

> > > reading which gives a new outlook for the astrology students

and

> > > learners. I appreciate this.

> > > It seems that it is the period of renaissance for

astrology.

> > Let

> > > it be Chandra Hari, PVR, Sanjay Rath, or our humble efforts -

it

> is

> > > causing a new out look to emerge. Yes, this list is vast, a new

> > > thought and an innovative idea joining hand in this tide every

> > moment.

> > >

> > > PS: Many tides may clash each other exchanging energy or

> causing

> > > change of direction to many others. But they are all tides for

> > sure.

> > > Let us value the beauty of every tide we see around us.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " vinita kumar "

> > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shreenadh

> > > >

> > > > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its

application. "

> > > >

> > > > I too wasnt till i got to hear Sanjay Rathji in the last Atri

> > class.

> > > >

> > > > Rasi drishti is explained in Chapter 8 of BPHS, which u must

> > > already

> > > > be aware of.

> > > >

> > > > One of its applications, according to Jaimini Sutra, is in D-

> 9.

> > > > According to this Sutra rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> > > > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with

> Ketu

> > > > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

> > > >

> > > > U could perhaps listen to the MP3 audio of Sanjayji's class

to

> > > > understand one of the applications of rasi dristi.

> > > >

> > > > The other very beautiful thing i found about the lecture was

> the

> > > > intro to Vedic Numerology where the generation of numbers was

> > > > compared to the wheels within the slot machine. Its very

> > > > exhilirating to think that each one of us could have a unique

> > > number

> > > > generated by the GREAT TIME SLOT MACHINE.

> > > >

> > > > I too posted one message yesterday on this forum which failed

> to

> > > > appear.

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > >

> > > > Vinita

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > > > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its

> application.

> > I

> > > > > invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " ,

> > > > supplying

> > > > > relevant quotes as well.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > > > > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to

> clear

> > > > the

> > > > > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to

> Graha

> > > > Drishti.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > > > > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is

> the

> > > > > adjacent

> > > > > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > > > > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi

> > > drishti -

> > > > do

> > > > > > such drishtis have any effect

> > > > > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To

> > > further

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts

on

> > the

> > > > > same.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for

> the

> > > > > > original

> > > > > > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > > > > > What is Drishti?

> > > > > > > ================

> > > > > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > > > > > -------------------

> > > > > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana

> Hora)

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some

> houses.

> > It

> > > > is

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > that-

> > > > > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > > > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in

> a

> > > > gradual

> > > > > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO

> gradually

> > > > > decrease

> > > > > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to

> suggest

> > > > that,

> > > > > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a

> > Shashtyamsa

> > > > or

> > > > > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him

> would

> > > be-

> > > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for

ALL

> > > > DEGREES

> > > > > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

> > > > division

> > > > > > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!!

> > Because

> > > > then

> > > > > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

> > > > influence

> > > > > in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we

> > know

> > > > > > already,

> > > > > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the

> same.

> > And

> > > > > > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was

> prevalent

> > as

> > > > per

> > > > > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses

of

> 30

> > > > deg

> > > > > > each.

> > > > > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating

> > Drishti

> > > > with

> > > > > > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti

is

> > > > nothing

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic

> > > > concept

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in

> the

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > way -

> > > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use

> the

> > > > > simple

> > > > > > > formula,

> > > > > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > > > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints

> support

> > > > > neither

> > > > > > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > > > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets

> influence

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > sign of their placement

> > > > > > > -----------------------

-

> ---

> > --

> > > -

> > > > ---

> > > > > -

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > --------------------

> > > > > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very

> > > good

> > > > > > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original

> system

> > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > by the saints.

> > > > > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > > > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > > > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > > > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11,

12

> > > > > > houses/signs

> > > > > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > > > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as

> > > clearly

> > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani

> > > > Bhavanm

> > > > > > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha,

> Bham,

> > > > > > Bhavanam

> > > > > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the

> > planets

> > > > have

> > > > > > 0%

> > > > > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they

> are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in!

> > > > > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment

or

> > > > > decrement

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If

we

> > > > follow

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get

> is -

> > > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 1/4

> > > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > > Or in other words

> > > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 25 %

> > > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about

> partial

> > > > > > Drishti

> > > > > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say

> that,

> > we

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the

> original

> > > > > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We

> have

> > NO

> > > > > RIGHT

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > pour water into the system they proposed without

clearly

> > > > > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject

> Sripati

> > > > (his

> > > > > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same

> spirit.

> > > > > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of

> > > Arsha

> > > > > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School

> > > > (Garga,

> > > > > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti "

> > system!

> > > > They

> > > > > > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th

> House)

> > > > > > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > > > > > about " Partial

> > > > > > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara,

> Meenaraja,

> > > > > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti.

> Probably

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of

> Partial

> > > > > Drishti.

> > > > > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara

> [An

> > > > Indian

> > > > > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of

thought

> > who

> > > > > lived

> > > > > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the

> > > period

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused

> > Parasara

> > > > as

> > > > > > > Yevana! So -

> > > > > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of

Indian

> > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or

> > decreasing

> > > > > > drishti "

> > > > > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is

> relative

> > > > angles

> > > > > > > between planets " .

> > > > > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan

then,

> > > > discard

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha

> School

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > > > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since

we

> > also

> > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

> > > > > Krishneeyam

> > > > > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

> > > > following

> > > > > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of

proposing

> > some

> > > > > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas

like " Vrishe

> > Sasi

> > > > > > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH

> syachubha

> > > > > > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding

> > the " Partial

> > > > > > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the

> > > > corrupting

> > > > > > ideas

> > > > > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of

> > > giving

> > > > a

> > > > > > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

> > > > > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially

> based

> > on

> > > > > clear

> > > > > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome.

> Yap,

> > > > Even

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and

> ideas

> > > > are

> > > > > > > welcome. I would personally request well

> knowledgeable

> > > > persons

> > > > > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to

> pour

> > > more

> > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas.

As

> I

> > > > know

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to

> > > > intution)

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in

> > more

> > > > > > > inputs.

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 7, 2006

Dear Sreenadh jiYou can very well address me without a ji.My strong feeling is Rashi drishtis are not to be used along with graha drishti.Rashi dashas are not based on the nakshthra placement of moon and progressions,rather that of Rashis.Grahas in chara rashis can influence those in Sthira Rashis(chara has some reason to infleunce sthira and vice-versa?).Similarly Grahas in Dwisabhava Rashis will influence those in other dwisabhava rashis.If we study carefully, why immediate sthira and chara rashis are avoided,can be understood.For a graha to influence another rashi a minimum angle is must.Dwisabhava rashis are always in kendras from one another,and hence there is no need for such an exclusion.Rashi drishtis will explain how planets can influence another rashi/planets,while thinking of Rashi based progressions.We should never ever mix these two systems.Also i got a chance today to listen to the audio from shri Rath ji(As advised by Vinita ji).It is very clear that Shri Sanjay Rath is a scholar and has indepth knowledge.It is also true that he has been doing a lot towards promotion of jyotish and providing free knoweldge.Myslef is really thankful and respectful towards that.But i am afraid and sorry to say that Shri Sanjay Rath has not understood the concept of Divisional charts and Karakamsha analysis very well.Let us take a case which i had mentioned in the past too.Sun joining Karakamsha will give political connections - Most translators have interpreted this as Sun joining Atmakaraka in the navamsha.This is not correct,as, then all with Sun as Atmakaraka will have political connections.We have only 12 Rashis.The rashi on to which Atmakaraka graha has navamsha becomes Karakamsha Rashi.If Sun is placed in this Rashi,then the yoga applies.Shani joining Karakamsha rashi - fame and doing well in his line of occupation.It is very clear that,the rashi on to which Atmakaraka graha has amsha is the environment where the aatma or soul has applied prana/life(navamshas are navapranas).If a hardworking planet like Saturn is there to promote the desire of soul,will not that person become famous in his line? Similarly Chandrena Gouryam - It simply means if Chandra is there in Karakamsha Rashi,then one worships Gowri.Rahu Durga - Shri Rath has brought in concepts of Rashi drishti etc to make matters worse.Jaimini has not told us to use rashi drishti in so called ''D-9''.Now Graha drishti logic can be studied in detail,without much confusions.Kind RegdsPradeep , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Pradeep ji,> I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. I > invite other learned member to comment on "Rasi Drishti", supplying > relevant quotes as well.> Love,> Sreenadh> > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji> > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.> > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear the > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha Drishti.> > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working> > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the > adjacent > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)> > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi drishti -do > > such drishtis have any effect> > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.> > > > Regds> > Pradeep> > > > , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To further > > help > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on the > same. > > I > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the > > original > > > system of Indian Astrology.> > > > > > =====================================================================> > > What is Drishti? > > > ================> > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets> > > -------------------> > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) it is > > said > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. It is > > said > > > that-> > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti> > > 7th House - 1 Drishti> > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti> > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti> > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti> > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a gradual > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually > decrease > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest that, > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a Shashtyamsa or > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would be-> > > 90 deg = 25 %> > > 120 deg = 75 %> > > 150 deg = 50 %> > > 180 deg = 100 %> > > 240 deg = 75 %> > > 270 deg = 50 %> > > 300 deg = 25 %> > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL DEGREES > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the "unequal house division > > > system" (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! Because then > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's influence > in > > a > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we know > > already, > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. And > > > therefore no "unequal house division system" was prevalent as per > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30 deg > > each.> > > Another pitfall this view leads into is "Associating Drishti with > > > angles". This concept leads to the view that "Drishti is nothing > > but > > > relative angles between planets". If this was the basic concept > > then > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the > > following > > > way -> > > 90 deg = 25 %> > > 120 deg = 50 %> > > 150 deg = 75 %> > > 180 deg = 100 %> > > 240 deg = 75 %> > > 270 deg = 50 %> > > 300 deg = 25 %> > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the > simple > > > formula,> > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %> > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support > neither > > > this view, nor the concept of "unequal house division".> > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence from > the > > > sign of their placement > > > > -> > ---> > > --------------------> > > As it happens in several other instances, the very good > > > text "Krishneeya" gives as the clue to the original system > > followed > > > by the saints.> > > In Krishneeya it is said that -> > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati> > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani> > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12 > > houses/signs > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]> > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as clearly > > stated > > > by Mihira in the sloka, "Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani Bhavanm > > > chikartha sampretyaye" [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham, > > Bhavanam > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the planets have > > 0% > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are posited > > in! > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or > decrement > > of > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we follow > > the > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -> > > All planets have Drishti towards -> > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - (Full) > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - Nil> > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 1/2> > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 3/4> > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 1/2> > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - Nil> > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - (Full)> > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 3/4> > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 1/2> > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > posited > > > in - 1/4> > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > posited > > > in - Nil> > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > posited > > > in - Nil> > > Or in other words> > > All planets have Drishti towards -> > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 100 %> > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 0 %> > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 50 %> > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 75 %> > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 50 %> > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 0 %> > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 100 %> > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 75 %> > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > posited > > > in - 50 %> > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > posited > > > in - 25 %> > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > posited > > > in - 0 %> > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > posited > > > in - 0 %> > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial > > Drishti > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that, we > > should > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have NO > RIGHT > > to > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati (his > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.> > > One more point we should remember - The saints of Arsha > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School (Garga, > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any "Partial Drishti" system! They > > > have only talked about "Full Drishti" (towards 7th House) > > > and "Special Drishti" (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT > > about "Partial > > > Drishti"! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja, > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably it is > > from > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial > Drishti. > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An Indian > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought who > lived > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the period of > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused Parasara as > > > Yevana! So -> > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian astrology, > > > let us first discard the "gradually increasing or decreasing > > drishti" > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that "Drishti is relative angles > > > between planets". > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then, discard > > the > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School and the > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!! > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we also > > respect > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover > Krishneeyam > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably following > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing some > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like "Vrishe Sasi > > > lagnagataH supoorno..." and "EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha > > > gaganagaH..." etc. So I won't suggest discarding the "Partial > > > Drishti" concept, but for sure we should discard the corrupting > > ideas > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of giving a > > > strong hold to his "unequal house division system".> > > > > > =====================================================================> > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based on > clear > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap, Even > if > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas are > > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable persons > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour more > > inputs > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I know > > that > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to intution) > > who > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in more > > > inputs. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> >>

May 7, 2006

Namaste,

One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

" Even with a difference of one year, the predictions converged, even life profile "

One will realize very soon in this subject that once the event is known or the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and even portrayed as obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as divisionall charts, myriads of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has completely messed up all the things even more. People who introduce new paramenters, some with a classical reference interpreted to one's convenience and some invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY known event in ANY chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas are seen in my chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill gates.Post your own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers and be assured that everthing will be seen in that chart.

The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles and applies them consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he has a foundation to go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases after new inventions in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct predictions.

Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at close range, there were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with impairment, or full recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the event was remote. So all one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in that direction. It is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news reported that things are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or at wort 33-33-33, does one really need jyotish ?

If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to his life before the event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in futility.

My two cents.

....

P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but if you follow some discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

On 5/6/06, vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote:

Dear Shreenadh,In the final tier, I suppose everything merges. So what is the purpose of compartmentalisation, whether it is bhavas, grahas, Karakatwas, or whatever...Somebody compared the different systems of astrology to the different systems that work on computers. Each works fine and independantly of the other and gives the desired result.When I read about the predictions for Pramod Mahajan the thought crossed my mind that even with difference of one year in the date of birth / lagna, etc., the predictions converged....not just of the demise but the life profile too!!! Each person had very convincing reasons for the prediction. (How convincing I am no one to judge because I know nothing of the subject).Maybe we should not mix up systems because then we will get very mixed up results.Each branch of knowledge can shine on its own, perhaps.

Love,Vinita

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Vinita ji,> I forgot to add one point. > You said:> > rasi dristi is to be seen to find the > > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu > > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.> The point that instentanously originated in my mind is that, we > haven't yet discussed the point " How karakatwas are considered? " > or " How significance of various things gets associated with planets " . > The important point is:> " Any planet can be a karaka for anything (as per placement) " !!!!> The sloka that instenatiously comes to my mind is -

> " Adhipa sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita " Meaning, the lord of any > house is significator for all the things indicated by that house. > House and sign are the same. So it means that, that planet becomes > the significator for everying indicated by that sign as well!> As told earlier, Significance is assigned to -> 1) Signs 2) Houses 4) Nakshatras 3) Planets> Let us take the question, who is vidya karaka?

> Me is vidya karaka, Ju is vidya karaka, Sa is vidya karaka > especially related to sanyasa, Su is vidya karaka since sun > represents atma, Mo is vidyakaraka since mo represents mind, Ma is > vidyakaraka especially related to weapons, etc. Any one can extend it > and we would be in trouble if we are trying to assign vidya karakatwa > to a single planet alone! The same is the situation, when we are > trying to locate Atma karaka and Moksha karaka as well! So I am > against the compartmentalisation is karakatwas, and let us be > fluxible in such issues, as we are dealing with a subject that > follows holistic method.> In this light if we are looking at -

> 1) Atmakaraka, Pitr karaka etc concept (Parasara/Jaimini)> 2) Assigning special fixed karakas to houses> 3) Sahamas concept (Forgive my ignorance - who coined that word?) - > which as per classical astrology is termed " Sphuta Yoga " - which > associates a single thing with special logitudinal degrees.> What should be our view? All these are innovative methods and > should be appreciated. But are they part of the original stream of

> thought?> I invite all to shed more light on the issues involved.> PS: We should disuses the question " In how many methods significance > could get associated to a planet?' in detail. That is also part of > the basics.> Dear vinita ji, thanks for the information shared and my regards to > Sanjay ji as well. Forgive my ignorance - but I am yet to learn in > detail BPHS and Jaimini sutra. Or it is better to say I am familiar > with BPHS to an extend (at least about the concepts discussed in BPHS > that are in line with the conventional astrology), but have no idea > about Jaimini sutra till now. I should turn my attention in those > directions as well - but before that itself, much work to do in other > areas.> Love,> Sreenadh> >

, " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Vinita ji,> > I said:> > > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

> > The reason behind was something else. That is, Rasi drishti is not > > at all discussed in other schools of astrology, except by Parasara > > and Jaimini. I was more interested in the Arsha, Jyna(Garga) > > Schools of thought, than Yevana, Prarasara and Jaimini for long -> The > > reason being that the first 2 still remain unexplored. The new > > revival stream is after Parasara, Jaimini and others will explore > > it. It is work sharing ) and my field seems to be different. > > Parasara puts forward many new methods - but let us first have a > > clear idea of the methods that were in use before him. Yes, the > fact > > that he mixed several ideas of Yavanacharya with the true Indian > > system holds me back to an extend. But yes, he was great! I don't > > know much about " jaimini system " and that too seems to be different > > from the original stream - and I am still in doubt, to what extend > we > > can appreciate the mixing of different streams/schools of thought.> > Now coming to Sanjay Rath, I appreciate his efforts, and recently > > got his book " Crux of Vedic Astrology " , and yet to go through it in > > detail. I appreciate his efforts in bring into light the various > dasa > > systems. But for that he seems to depend too much on " Jataka > > Parijata " of recent origin. This text " Jataka Parijata " by " Vidya > > nadha suri " is considered as a poetical elaboration of the concepts > > put forward in " Varaha Hora " . But many of the concepts put forward > in > > this text " " Jataka Parijata " does not find authentic classical > > support, and to add many are " against " the classical ideas! This is > a > > text that should approached only with care - but still an > appreciable > > and worthy text.> > I am totally against the divisional chart concept and its absurd > > explanations put forward by Sanjay Rath. They find no support from > > classics, and it seems that he is intentionally trying to > > misinterpret the slokas as far as divisional charts are concerned. > > Yes, It is his efforts on explaining various dasa systems that > should > > be valued, than that funny (since no classics supports it) > divisional > > charts concept which came into light from no where. I am stating > > this only on the basing of having a passing view of his book, " Crux > > of Vedic astrology " . Yes, but I should add that it is worthy book > for > > reading which gives a new outlook for the astrology students and > > learners. I appreciate this.

> > It seems that it is the period of renaissance for astrology. > Let > > it be Chandra Hari, PVR, Sanjay Rath, or our humble efforts - it is > > causing a new out look to emerge. Yes, this list is vast, a new > > thought and an innovative idea joining hand in this tide every > moment.> > > > PS: Many tides may clash each other exchanging energy or causing > > change of direction to many others. But they are all tides for > sure. > > Let us value the beauty of every tide we see around us.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > >

, " vinita kumar " > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. "

> > > > > > I too wasnt till i got to hear Sanjay Rathji in the last Atri > class.> > > > > > Rasi drishti is explained in Chapter 8 of BPHS, which u must > > already > > > be aware of.> > > > > > One of its applications, according to Jaimini Sutra, is in D-9. > > > According to this Sutra rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> > > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu > > > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.> > > > > > U could perhaps listen to the MP3 audio of Sanjayji's class to > > > understand one of the applications of rasi dristi.> > > > > > The other very beautiful thing i found about the lecture was the > > > intro to Vedic Numerology where the generation of numbers was > > > compared to the wheels within the slot machine. Its very > > > exhilirating to think that each one of us could have a unique > > number > > > generated by the GREAT TIME SLOT MACHINE. > > > > > > I too posted one message yesterday on this forum which failed to > > > appear.> > > > > > Love,> > > > > > Vinita

> > > > > > > > > > > >

, " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. > I > > > > invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " , > > > supplying > > > > relevant quotes as well.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji> > > > > > > > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > > > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear > > > the > > > > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha > > > Drishti.

> > > > > > > > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working> > > > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the > > > > adjacent > > > > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > > > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi > > drishti -> > > do > > > > > such drishtis have any effect> > > > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> > > > > > > > > > Regds> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > >

, " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To > > further > > > > > help > > > > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on > the > > > > same. > > > > > I > > > > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the > > > > > original > > > > > > system of Indian Astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =====================================================================> > > > > > What is Drishti?

> > > > > > ================> > > > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets> > > > > > -------------------

> > > > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) > it > > > is > > > > > said > > > > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. > It > > > is > > > > > said > > > > > > that-> > > > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti > > > > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti > > > > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti> > > > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti> > > > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti> > > > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti> > > > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a > > > gradual > > > > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually > > > > decrease > > > > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest > > > that, > > > > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a > Shashtyamsa > > > or > > > > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would > > be-> > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > 120 deg = 75 %> > > > > > 150 deg = 50 %> > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %> > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %> > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %> > > > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL > > > DEGREES > > > > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house > > > division > > > > > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! > Because > > > then > > > > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's > > > influence > > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we > know > > > > > already, > > > > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. > And > > > > > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent > as > > > per > > > > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30 > > > deg > > > > > each.> > > > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating > Drishti > > > with > > > > > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is > > > nothing > > > > > but > > > > > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic > > > concept > > > > > then > > > > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the > > > > > following > > > > > > way -

> > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %> > > > > > 120 deg = 50 %> > > > > > 150 deg = 75 %> > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %> > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %> > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %> > > > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the > > > > simple > > > > > > formula,> > > > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %> > > > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support > > > > neither > > > > > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .> > > > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence > > from > > > > the > > > > > > sign of their placement > > > > > > ---------------------------

> --> > -> > > ---> > > > -> > > > > ---> > > > > > --------------------> > > > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very > > good > > > > > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system > > > > > followed > > > > > > by the saints.> > > > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati> > > > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani> > > > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12 > > > > > houses/signs > > > > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]> > > > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as > > clearly > > > > > stated > > > > > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani > > > Bhavanm > > > > > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham, > > > > > Bhavanam > > > > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the > planets > > > have > > > > > 0% > > > > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are > > > posited > > > > > in! > > > > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or > > > > decrement > > > > > of > > > > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we > > > follow > > > > > the > > > > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -> > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -> > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - (Full) > > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - Nil> > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 1/2> > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 1/2> > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - Nil> > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 3/4> > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 1/2> > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 1/4> > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > > posited > > > > > > in - Nil> > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > > posited > > > > > > in - Nil> > > > > > Or in other words> > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -> > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 100 %> > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 50 %> > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 75 %> > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 100 %> > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 50 %> > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 25 %> > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are > > > > > posited > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial > > > > > Drishti > > > > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say

that, > we > > > > > should > > > > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original > > > > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have > NO > > > > RIGHT > > > > > to > > > > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly > > > > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati > > > (his > > > > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.> > > > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of > > Arsha > > > > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School > > > (Garga, > > > > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti " > system! > > > They > > > > > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House) > > > > > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT > > > > > about " Partial > > > > > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja, > > > > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably > it > > > is > > > > > from > > > > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial > > > > Drishti. > > > > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An > > > Indian > > > > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought > who > > > > lived > > > > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the > > period > > > of > > > > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused > Parasara > > > as > > > > > > Yevana! So -> > > > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian > > > astrology, > > > > > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or > decreasing > > > > > drishti " > > > > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative > > > angles > > > > > > between planets " . > > > > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then, > > > discard > > > > > the > > > > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School > and > > > the > > > > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!! > > > > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we > also > > > > > respect > > > > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover > > > > Krishneeyam > > > > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably > > > following > > > > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing > some > > > > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe > Sasi > > > > > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha > > > > > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding > the " Partial > > > > > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the > > > corrupting > > > > > ideas > > > > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of > > giving > > > a > > > > > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =====================================================================> > > > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based > on > > > > clear > > > > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap, > > > Even > > > > if > > > > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas > > > are > > > > > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable > > > persons > > > > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour > > more > > > > > inputs > > > > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I > > > know > > > > > that

> > > > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to > > > intution) > > > > > who > > > > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in > more > > > > > > inputs. > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> >>

May 7, 2006

Dear Padeep,

You said:

> For a graha to influence another rashi a minimum angle is

> must.Dwisabhava rashis are always in kendras from one

> another,and hence there is no need for such an exclusion.

Those statements contradict. By the first statement you are

accepting that " Drishti is 'related to' angle between

planets/rashis " . It seems that you are speaking about " Rashi

Drishti " , although you are using the wordings 'for a graha to

influence'. The angle between chara signs is 90 deg, the angle

between sthira signs are 90 deg, the angle between ubhaya signs are

90 deg. But how you are going to associate angle when - chara signs

has rasi drishti only on sthira signs and sthira signs has rasi

drishti only on chara signs ? Kendras are separated by 90 deg. But if

Aries aspects Le, Sc and Aq, then, the angle between Ar and Le is 150

deg, between Le and Sc is 90 deg and between Sc and Aq is 90 deg. So

the point is, you can not compare rasi drishti to Ubhaya

(dwiswabhava) signs and that of chara (movable) and sthira (fixed)

signs. I hope that you got the point.

Now why don't you, have a look at another angel of view. I will

state it for you - below.

* Fixed drishti between signs is like characteristics of the signs

itself. Then what is the purpose of the concepts like 'Rasi drishti'

itself?! Describing the characteristics of the signs itself will

explain the effects of Rasi drishti as well. Or in other words Rasi

Drishti is a concept similar to Chara-Sthira-Ubhya, Male-Female, etc

classifications, which describe the nature of a sign. Instead of

descibing the nature of the sign, coining words and concepts

like 'rasi drishti' contradicts the basics and that is why no rishi

of Arsha (Skanda) and Jayne (Garga) school speaks about it.

* Rasi drishti has a FIXED nature and is NOT DYNAMIC like graha

drishti which changes from horoscope to horoscope. This also should

hold as back from using them in the similar way.

Yes, I always appreciate your intuition, as evident from the words -

> My strong feeling is Rashi drishtis are not to be used along with

> graha drishti.

Again in your own words:

> We should never ever mix these two systems. (i.e. Rasi Drishti and

Graha Drishti)

I agree to it.

About Sanjay Rath ji:

> It is very clear that Shri Sanjay Rath is a

> scholar and has indepth knowledge.It is also true that he has been

> doing a lot towards promotion of jyotish and providing free

> knoweldge.

Yes, I supports those statements and truly appreciate the research

he has done about the system of astrology. But the PROBLEM is, he

takes some concepts from some astrological classics, INVENTS(!) its

new applications all by himself! (It is violation of studentship of

the ancient Indian system of astrology!) For the first step he always

provides quotes, but alas for the second step how to provide quotes

when there no such thing exists! For example:

1) In pradeep's words: " Jaimini has not told us to use rashi drishti

in so called ''D-9''. " Yes, he INVENTS the application of everything

in D-Charts, and INVENTS new items about which every D-Chart (higher

multiples) should talk about, he INVENTS methods to calculate anther

dasas and anther dasa periods where no such things are provided!! He

is a very good INVENTOR!! ) If not FUNNY what is this? Is it that

he considers himself as equallent to Rishis who breached the barriers

of the world (the system that is world) and created the astrological

system which can be used to have a glimpse of the working of the

beyond (i.e. destiny/time or mahakala). Those who want to study and

use the " ancient indian astrology by the saints " will_not/can_not

accept this. If some one is doing this then he is becoming the

students of the " Rathian system " and NOT of the original streams

like - Arsha system, Vedic system, Tantric system, Yevana system etc.

Because the D-charts, and the new applications of higher D-charts

INVENTED by Rath, the special things of analysis he associates with

different dasa systems etc are NOT supported by classics.

Yes, but what ever this be the new energy he brought into astrology

and his hard work on Dasa systems, the evolvement of the great

programmer like PVR who put everyone of Rath's ideas into his

software JH 7.0, the great co-ordination capabilities, the popularity

he brought in for astrology in the west - all these should be

appreciated, and is of immense value. My love and regards to him.

PS: Pradeep ji, may be now it is clear why 'Drishti' means 'Graha

Drishti' only and NOT 'Rasi Drishti'.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji

>

> You can very well address me without a ji.

> My strong feeling is Rashi drishtis are not to be used along with

graha

> drishti.

> Rashi dashas are not based on the nakshthra placement of moon and

> progressions,rather that of Rashis.Grahas in chara rashis can

influence

> those in Sthira Rashis(chara has some reason to infleunce sthira and

> vice-versa?).Similarly Grahas in Dwisabhava Rashis will influence

those

> in other dwisabhava rashis.

> If we study carefully, why immediate sthira and chara rashis are

> avoided,can be understood.For a graha to influence another rashi a

> minimum angle is must.Dwisabhava rashis are always in kendras from

one

> another,and hence there is no need for such an exclusion.

> Rashi drishtis will explain how planets can influence another

> rashi/planets,while thinking of Rashi based progressions.We should

never

> ever mix these two systems.

>

> Also i got a chance today to listen to the audio from shri Rath ji

(As

> advised by Vinita ji).It is very clear that Shri Sanjay Rath is a

> scholar and has indepth knowledge.It is also true that he has been

doing

> a lot towards promotion of jyotish and providing free

knoweldge.Myslef

> is really thankful and respectful towards that.But i am afraid and

sorry

> to say that Shri Sanjay Rath has not understood the concept of

> Divisional charts and Karakamsha analysis very well.

>

> Let us take a case which i had mentioned in the past too.Sun joining

> Karakamsha will give political connections - Most translators have

> interpreted this as Sun joining Atmakaraka in the navamsha.This is

not

> correct,as, then all with Sun as Atmakaraka will have political

> connections.

>

> We have only 12 Rashis.The rashi on to which Atmakaraka graha has

> navamsha becomes Karakamsha Rashi.If Sun is placed in this

Rashi,then

> the yoga applies.

>

> Shani joining Karakamsha rashi - fame and doing well in his line of

> occupation.It is very clear that,the rashi on to which Atmakaraka

graha

> has amsha is the environment where the aatma or soul has applied

> prana/life(navamshas are navapranas).If a hardworking planet like

Saturn

> is there to promote the desire of soul,will not that person become

> famous in his line?

>

> Similarly Chandrena Gouryam - It simply means if Chandra is there in

> Karakamsha Rashi,then one worships Gowri.Rahu Durga - Shri Rath has

> brought in concepts of Rashi drishti etc to make matters

worse.Jaimini

> has not told us to use rashi drishti in so called ''D-9''.

>

> Now Graha drishti logic can be studied in detail,without much

> confusions.

>

> Kind Regds

> Pradeep

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. I

> > invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " ,

supplying

> > relevant quotes as well.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- In

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear

the

> > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha

Drishti.

> > >

> > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the

> > adjacent

> > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi

drishti -do

> > > such drishtis have any effect

> > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To further

> > > help

> > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on the

> > same.

> > > I

> > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the

> > > original

> > > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > > >

> > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > > What is Drishti?

> > > > ================

> > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > > -------------------

> > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) it

is

> > > said

> > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. It

is

> > > said

> > > > that-

> > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a

gradual

> > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually

> > decrease

> > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest

that,

> > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a Shashtyamsa

or

> > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would

be-

> > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL

DEGREES

> > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

division

> > > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! Because

then

> > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

influence

> > in

> > > a

> > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we know

> > > already,

> > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. And

> > > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was prevalent as

per

> > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30

deg

> > > each.

> > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating Drishti

with

> > > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is

nothing

> > > but

> > > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic

concept

> > > then

> > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the

> > > following

> > > > way -

> > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the

> > simple

> > > > formula,

> > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support

> > neither

> > > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence from

> > the

> > > > sign of their placement

> > > > -----------------------------

----

> > -

> > > ---

> > > > --------------------

> > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very good

> > > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system

> > > followed

> > > > by the saints.

> > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

> > > houses/signs

> > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as clearly

> > > stated

> > > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani

Bhavanm

> > > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham,

> > > Bhavanam

> > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the planets

have

> > > 0%

> > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are

posited

> > > in!

> > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or

> > decrement

> > > of

> > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we

follow

> > > the

> > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

> > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - (Full)

> > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - Nil

> > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 1/2

> > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 3/4

> > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 1/2

> > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - Nil

> > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - (Full)

> > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 3/4

> > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 1/2

> > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - 1/4

> > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - Nil

> > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - Nil

> > > > Or in other words

> > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 100 %

> > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 0 %

> > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 50 %

> > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 75 %

> > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 50 %

> > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 0 %

> > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 100 %

> > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 75 %

> > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > in - 50 %

> > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - 25 %

> > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - 0 %

> > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > posited

> > > > in - 0 %

> > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial

> > > Drishti

> > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that, we

> > > should

> > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original

> > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have NO

> > RIGHT

> > > to

> > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati

(his

> > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.

> > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of Arsha

> > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School

(Garga,

> > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti " system!

They

> > > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House)

> > > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > > about " Partial

> > > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,

> > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably it

is

> > > from

> > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial

> > Drishti.

> > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An

Indian

> > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought who

> > lived

> > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the

period of

> > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused Parasara

as

> > > > Yevana! So -

> > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian

astrology,

> > > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or decreasing

> > > drishti "

> > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative

angles

> > > > between planets " .

> > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then, discard

> > > the

> > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School and

the

> > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we also

> > > respect

> > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

> > Krishneeyam

> > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

following

> > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing some

> > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe Sasi

> > > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha

> > > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding the " Partial

> > > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the

corrupting

> > > ideas

> > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of

giving a

> > > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > > >

> > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based on

> > clear

> > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap,

Even

> > if

> > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas

are

> > > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable

persons

> > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour more

> > > inputs

> > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I

know

> > > that

> > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to

intution)

> > > who

> > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in more

> > > > inputs.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 7, 2006

Dear Pandit ji, I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and present it again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I have done some coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it. :)Love,Sreenadh

, Panditji <navagraha wrote:>> Namaste,> > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.> > "Even with a difference of one year, the predictions converged, even life> profile"> > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the event is known or> the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and even portrayed as> obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as divisionall charts, myriads> of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has completely messed> up all the things even more. People who introduce new paramenters, some> with a classical reference interpreted to one's convenience and some> invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY known event in ANY> chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas are seen in my> chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill gates. Post your> own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers and be assured that> everthing will be seen in that chart.> > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles and applies them> consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he has a foundation to> go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases after new inventions> in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct predictions.> > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at close range, there> were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with impairment, or full> recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the event was remote. So all> one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in that direction. It> is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news reported that things> are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or at wort 33-33-33,> does one really need jyotish ?> > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to his life before the> event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in futility.> > My two cents.> > ...> > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but if you follow some> discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.>

May 7, 2006

dear sreenadh ji

as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed similar

sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis is the

most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in badlight,

one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical references of

any event that has happened already from any date of birth with any

ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this hindsight

analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart, navamsha,

ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and nonexisting

yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then conjunctions and

aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other divisional

charts, do all these separately for planets as well as rashis,

various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha systems

till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis on " n " number

of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you cant

find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri to raman or

to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants and new

combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for thought.

prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and not

analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting without any

fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his

predictions come true and making the practice of an astrologer

perfect.

with best wishes and regards

pandit arjun

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit ji,

> I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and

present it

> again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I have

done some

> coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Panditji

> <navagraha@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> >

> > " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions converged,

even

> life

> > profile "

> >

> > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the event is

> known or

> > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and even

> portrayed as

> > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as divisionall

charts,

> myriads

> > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has

completely

> messed

> > up all the things even more. People who introduce new

paramenters,

> some

> > with a classical reference interpreted to one's convenience and

some

> > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY known

event in

> ANY

> > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas are

seen in

> my

> > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill

gates.

> Post your

> > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers and be

assured

> that

> > everthing will be seen in that chart.

> >

> > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles and

applies

> them

> > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he has a

> foundation to

> > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases after new

> inventions

> > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct

predictions.

> >

> > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at close

range,

> there

> > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with

impairment, or

> full

> > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the event was

remote.

> So all

> > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in that

> direction. It

> > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news reported

that

> things

> > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or at wort

> 33-33-33,

> > does one really need jyotish ?

> >

> > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to his life

> before the

> > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in futility.

> >

> > My two cents.

> >

> > ...

> >

> > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but if you

follow

> some

> > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

> >

>

May 7, 2006

Dear Arjun ji,

Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew this. And that is why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find resort in various practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional charts, many lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non existant yogas, various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and gochara-veda systems. Above all now add the concept of "Transit in D-charts" as well!!! Which event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads HELPS only and in EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them neither finds supports from classics, and some of them are slightly supported by classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts there in no well defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which one to select. Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and fame in those muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers KNOWS which are useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the classics are better from their own daily direct experience.

I completely agree with you, and support your views.

Love,

Sreenadh

, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear sreenadh ji> > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed similar > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis is the > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in badlight, > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical references of > any event that has happened already from any date of birth with any > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this hindsight > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart, navamsha, > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and nonexisting > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then conjunctions and > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other divisional > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as rashis, > various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha systems > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis on "n" number > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you cant > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri to raman or > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants and new > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for thought.> > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and not > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting without any > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his > predictions come true and making the practice of an astrologer > perfect.> > with best wishes and regards> pandit arjun

> , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Pandit ji,> > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and > present it> > again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I have > done some> > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > < , Panditji> > <navagraha@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.> > >> > > "Even with a difference of one year, the predictions converged, > even> > life> > > profile"> > >> > > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the event is> > known or> > > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and even> > portrayed as> > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as divisionall > charts,> > myriads> > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has > completely> > messed> > > up all the things even more. People who introduce new > paramenters,> > some> > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's convenience and > some> > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY known > event in> > ANY> > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas are > seen in > > my> > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill > gates.> > Post your> > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers and be > assured> > that> > > everthing will be seen in that chart.> > >> > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles and > applies> > them> > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he has a> > foundation to> > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases after new> > inventions> > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct > predictions.> > >> > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at close > range,> > there> > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with > impairment, or> > full> > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the event was > remote.> > So all> > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in that> > direction. It> > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news reported > that> > things> > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or at wort> > 33-33-33,> > > does one really need jyotish ?> > >> > > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to his life> > before the> > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in futility.> > >> > > My two cents.> > >> > > ...> > >> > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but if you > follow> > some> > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.> > >> >>

May 7, 2006

Dear Pandit ji,

You said:

> It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas are seen in my> chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill gates.

Are you hinting at something?

Love,

Sreenadh , Panditji <navagraha wrote:>> Namaste,> > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.> > "Even with a difference of one year, the predictions converged, even life> profile"> > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the event is known or> the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and even portrayed as> obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as divisionall charts, myriads> of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has completely messed> up all the things even more. People who introduce new paramenters, some> with a classical reference interpreted to one's convenience and some> invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY known event in ANY> chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas are seen in my> chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill gates.Post your> own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers and be assured that> everthing will be seen in that chart.> > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles and applies them> consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he has a foundation to> go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases after new inventions> in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct predictions.> > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at close range, there> were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with impairment, or full> recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the event was remote. So all> one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in that direction. It> is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news reported that things> are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or at wort 33-33-33,> does one really need jyotish ?> > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to his life before the> event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in futility.> > My two cents.> > ...> > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but if you follow some> discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.> > > On 5/6/06, vinita kumar shankar_mamta wrote:> >> > Dear Shreenadh,> >> > In the final tier, I suppose everything merges. So what is the> > purpose of compartmentalisation, whether it is bhavas, grahas,> > Karakatwas, or whatever...> >> > Somebody compared the different systems of astrology to the> > different systems that work on computers. Each works fine and> > independantly of the other and gives the desired result.> >> > When I read about the predictions for Pramod Mahajan the thought> > crossed my mind that even with difference of one year in the date of> > birth / lagna, etc., the predictions converged....not just of the> > demise but the life profile too!!!> >> > Each person had very convincing reasons for the prediction. (How> > convincing I am no one to judge because I know nothing of the> > subject).> >> > Maybe we should not mix up systems because then we will get very> > mixed up results.> >> > Each branch of knowledge can shine on its own, perhaps.> >> >> > Love,> >> > Vinita> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vinita ji,> > > I forgot to add one point.> > > You said:> > > > rasi dristi is to be seen to find the> > > > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu> > > > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.> > > The point that instentanously originated in my mind is that, we> > > haven't yet discussed the point "How karakatwas are considered?"> > > or "How significance of various things gets associated with> > planets".> > > The important point is:> > > "Any planet can be a karaka for anything (as per placement)"!!!!> > > The sloka that instenatiously comes to my mind is -> > > "Adhipa sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita" Meaning, the lord of> > any> > > house is significator for all the things indicated by that house.> > > House and sign are the same. So it means that, that planet becomes> > > the significator for everying indicated by that sign as well!> > > As told earlier, Significance is assigned to -> > > 1) Signs 2) Houses 4) Nakshatras 3) Planets> > > Let us take the question, who is vidya karaka?> > > Me is vidya karaka, Ju is vidya karaka, Sa is vidya karaka> > > especially related to sanyasa, Su is vidya karaka since sun> > > represents atma, Mo is vidyakaraka since mo represents mind, Ma is> > > vidyakaraka especially related to weapons, etc. Any one can extend> > it> > > and we would be in trouble if we are trying to assign vidya> > karakatwa> > > to a single planet alone! The same is the situation, when we are> > > trying to locate Atma karaka and Moksha karaka as well! So I am> > > against the compartmentalisation is karakatwas, and let us be> > > fluxible in such issues, as we are dealing with a subject that> > > follows holistic method.> > > In this light if we are looking at -> > > 1) Atmakaraka, Pitr karaka etc concept (Parasara/Jaimini)> > > 2) Assigning special fixed karakas to houses> > > 3) Sahamas concept (Forgive my ignorance - who coined that> > word?) -> > > which as per classical astrology is termed "Sphuta Yoga" - which> > > associates a single thing with special logitudinal degrees.> > > What should be our view? All these are innovative methods and> > > should be appreciated. But are they part of the original stream of> > > thought?> > > I invite all to shed more light on the issues involved.> > > PS: We should disuses the question "In how many methods> > significance> > > could get associated to a planet?' in detail. That is also part of> > > the basics.> > > Dear vinita ji, thanks for the information shared and my regards> > to> > > Sanjay ji as well. Forgive my ignorance - but I am yet to learn in> > > detail BPHS and Jaimini sutra. Or it is better to say I am> > familiar> > > with BPHS to an extend (at least about the concepts discussed in> > BPHS> > > that are in line with the conventional astrology), but have no> > idea> > > about Jaimini sutra till now. I should turn my attention in those> > > directions as well - but before that itself, much work to do in> > other> > > areas.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Vinita ji,> > > > I said:> > > > > "I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application."> > > > The reason behind was something else. That is, Rasi drishti is> > not> > > > at all discussed in other schools of astrology, except by> > Parasara> > > > and Jaimini. I was more interested in the Arsha, Jyna(Garga)> > > > Schools of thought, than Yevana, Prarasara and Jaimini for long -> >> > > The> > > > reason being that the first 2 still remain unexplored. The new> > > > revival stream is after Parasara, Jaimini and others will> > explore> > > > it. It is work sharing ) and my field seems to be> > different.> > > > Parasara puts forward many new methods - but let us first have a> > > > clear idea of the methods that were in use before him. Yes, the> > > fact> > > > that he mixed several ideas of Yavanacharya with the true Indian> > > > system holds me back to an extend. But yes, he was great! I> > don't> > > > know much about "jaimini system" and that too seems to be> > different> > > > from the original stream - and I am still in doubt, to what> > extend> > > we> > > > can appreciate the mixing of different streams/schools of> > thought.> > > > Now coming to Sanjay Rath, I appreciate his efforts, and> > recently> > > > got his book "Crux of Vedic Astrology", and yet to go through it> > in> > > > detail. I appreciate his efforts in bring into light the various> > > dasa> > > > systems. But for that he seems to depend too much on "Jataka> > > > Parijata" of recent origin. This text "Jataka Parijata"> > by "Vidya> > > > nadha suri" is considered as a poetical elaboration of the> > concepts> > > > put forward in "Varaha Hora". But many of the concepts put> > forward> > > in> > > > this text ""Jataka Parijata" does not find authentic classical> > > > support, and to add many are "against" the classical ideas! This> > is> > > a> > > > text that should approached only with care - but still an> > > appreciable> > > > and worthy text.> > > > I am totally against the divisional chart concept and its> > absurd> > > > explanations put forward by Sanjay Rath. They find no support> > from> > > > classics, and it seems that he is intentionally trying to> > > > misinterpret the slokas as far as divisional charts are> > concerned.> > > > Yes, It is his efforts on explaining various dasa systems that> > > should> > > > be valued, than that funny (since no classics supports it)> > > divisional> > > > charts concept which came into light from no where. I am> > stating> > > > this only on the basing of having a passing view of his> > book, "Crux> > > > of Vedic astrology". Yes, but I should add that it is worthy> > book> > > for> > > > reading which gives a new outlook for the astrology students and> > > > learners. I appreciate this.> > > > It seems that it is the period of renaissance for astrology. > > > Let> > > > it be Chandra Hari, PVR, Sanjay Rath, or our humble efforts - it> > is> > > > causing a new out look to emerge. Yes, this list is vast, a new> > > > thought and an innovative idea joining hand in this tide every> > > moment.> > > >> > > > PS: Many tides may clash each other exchanging energy or> > causing> > > > change of direction to many others. But they are all tides for> > > sure.> > > > Let us value the beauty of every tide we see around us.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "vinita kumar"> > > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > >> > > > > "I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application."> > > > >> > > > > I too wasnt till i got to hear Sanjay Rathji in the last Atri> > > class.> > > > >> > > > > Rasi drishti is explained in Chapter 8 of BPHS, which u must> > > > already> > > > > be aware of.> > > > >> > > > > One of its applications, according to Jaimini Sutra, is in D-> > 9.> > > > > According to this Sutra rasi dristi is to be seen to find the> > > > > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with> > Ketu> > > > > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.> > > > >> > > > > U could perhaps listen to the MP3 audio of Sanjayji's class to> > > > > understand one of the applications of rasi dristi.> > > > >> > > > > The other very beautiful thing i found about the lecture was> > the> > > > > intro to Vedic Numerology where the generation of numbers was> > > > > compared to the wheels within the slot machine. Its very> > > > > exhilirating to think that each one of us could have a unique> > > > number> > > > > generated by the GREAT TIME SLOT MACHINE.> > > > >> > > > > I too posted one message yesterday on this forum which failed> > to> > > > > appear.> > > > >> > > > > Love,> > > > >> > > > > Vinita> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > > > > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its> > application.> > > I> > > > > > invite other learned member to comment on "Rasi Drishti",> > > > > supplying> > > > > > relevant quotes as well.> > > > > > Love,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.> > > > > > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to> > clear> > > > > the> > > > > > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to> > Graha> > > > > Drishti.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working> > > > > > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is> > the> > > > > > adjacent> > > > > > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)> > > > > > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi> > > > drishti -> > > > > do> > > > > > > such drishtis have any effect> > > > > > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regds> > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > <sreesog@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To> > > > further> > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on> > > the> > > > > > same.> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for> > the> > > > > > > original> > > > > > > > system of Indian Astrology.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > =====================================================================> > > > > > > > What is Drishti?> > > > > > > > ================> > > > > > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets> > > > > > > > -------------------> > > > > > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana> > Hora)> > > it> > > > > is> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some> > houses.> > > It> > > > > is> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > that-> > > > > > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti> > > > > > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti> > > > > > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti> > > > > > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti> > > > > > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti> > > > > > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti> > > > > > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti> > > > > > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in> > a> > > > > gradual> > > > > > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO> > gradually> > > > > > decrease> > > > > > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to> > suggest> > > > > that,> > > > > > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a> > > Shashtyamsa> > > > > or> > > > > > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him> > would> > > > be-> > > > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %> > > > > > > > 120 deg = 75 %> > > > > > > > 150 deg = 50 %> > > > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %> > > > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %> > > > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %> > > > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %> > > > > > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL> > > > > DEGREES> > > > > > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the "unequal house> > > > > division> > > > > > > > system" (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!!> > > Because> > > > > then> > > > > > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's> > > > > influence> > > > > > in> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we> > > know> > > > > > > already,> > > > > > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the> > same.> > > And> > > > > > > > therefore no "unequal house division system" was> > prevalent> > > as> > > > > per> > > > > > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of> > 30> > > > > deg> > > > > > > each.> > > > > > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is "Associating> > > Drishti> > > > > with> > > > > > > > angles". This concept leads to the view that "Drishti is> > > > > nothing> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > relative angles between planets". If this was the basic> > > > > concept> > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in> > the> > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > way -> > > > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %> > > > > > > > 120 deg = 50 %> > > > > > > > 150 deg = 75 %> > > > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %> > > > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %> > > > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %> > > > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %> > > > > > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use> > the> > > > > > simple> > > > > > > > formula,> > > > > > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %> > > > > > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints> > support> > > > > > neither> > > > > > > > this view, nor the concept of "unequal house division".> > > > > > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets> > influence> > > > from> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > sign of their placement> > > > > > > > ------------------------> > ---> > > --> > > > -> > > > > ---> > > > > > -> > > > > > > ---> > > > > > > > --------------------> > > > > > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very> > > > good> > > > > > > > text "Krishneeya" gives as the clue to the original> > system> > > > > > > followed> > > > > > > > by the saints.> > > > > > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -> > > > > > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati> > > > > > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani> > > > > > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12> > > > > > > houses/signs> > > > > > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]> > > > > > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as> > > > clearly> > > > > > > stated> > > > > > > > by Mihira in the sloka, "Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani> > > > > Bhavanm> > > > > > > > chikartha sampretyaye" [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha,> > Bham,> > > > > > > Bhavanam> > > > > > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the> > > planets> > > > > have> > > > > > > 0%> > > > > > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they> > are> > > > > posited> > > > > > > in!> > > > > > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or> > > > > > decrement> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we> > > > > follow> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get> > is -> > > > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -> > > > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - (Full)> > > > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - Nil> > > > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 1/2> > > > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 3/4> > > > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 1/2> > > > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - Nil> > > > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - (Full)> > > > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 3/4> > > > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 1/2> > > > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 1/4> > > > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - Nil> > > > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - Nil> > > > > > > > Or in other words> > > > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -> > > > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 100 %> > > > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 50 %> > > > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 75 %> > > > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 50 %> > > > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 100 %> > > > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 75 %> > > > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 50 %> > > > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 25 %> > > > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they> > are> > > > > > > posited> > > > > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about> > partial> > > > > > > Drishti> > > > > > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say> > that,> > > we> > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the> > original> > > > > > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We> > have> > > NO> > > > > > RIGHT> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly> > > > > > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject> > Sripati> > > > > (his> > > > > > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same> > spirit.> > > > > > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of> > > > Arsha> > > > > > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School> > > > > (Garga,> > > > > > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any "Partial Drishti"> > > system!> > > > > They> > > > > > > > have only talked about "Full Drishti" (towards 7th> > House)> > > > > > > > and "Special Drishti" (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT> > > > > > > about "Partial> > > > > > > > Drishti"! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara,> > Meenaraja,> > > > > > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti.> > Probably> > > it> > > > > is> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of> > Partial> > > > > > Drishti.> > > > > > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara> > [An> > > > > Indian> > > > > > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought> > > who> > > > > > lived> > > > > > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the> > > > period> > > > > of> > > > > > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused> > > Parasara> > > > > as> > > > > > > > Yevana! So -> > > > > > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian> > > > > astrology,> > > > > > > > let us first discard the "gradually increasing or> > > decreasing> > > > > > > drishti"> > > > > > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that "Drishti is> > relative> > > > > angles> > > > > > > > between planets".> > > > > > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then,> > > > > discard> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha> > School> > > and> > > > > the> > > > > > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!> > > > > > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we> > > also> > > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover> > > > > > Krishneeyam> > > > > > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably> > > > > following> > > > > > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing> > > some> > > > > > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like "Vrishe> > > Sasi> > > > > > > > lagnagataH supoorno..." and "EkaH sweche subhaH> > syachubha> > > > > > > > gaganagaH..." etc. So I won't suggest discarding> > > the "Partial> > > > > > > > Drishti" concept, but for sure we should discard the> > > > > corrupting> > > > > > > ideas> > > > > > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of> > > > giving> > > > > a> > > > > > > > strong hold to his "unequal house division system".> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > =====================================================================> > > > > > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially> > based> > > on> > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. > > Yap,> > > > > Even> > > > > > if> > > > > > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and> > ideas> > > > > are> > > > > > > > welcome. I would personally request well> > knowledgeable> > > > > persons> > > > > > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to> > pour> > > > more> > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As> > I> > > > > know> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to> > > > > intution)> > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in> > > more> > > > > > > > inputs. > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

May 7, 2006

dear sreenadh ji

speaking logically and rationally all planets having aspect on the

7th from its house is understood. however, do the special aspects

of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 for jupiter have any

logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun and moon do not

have these special aspects. the original classics mention " what "

special aspects the planets have and not " why " . if i could not

understand the " why " portion from the original classics, could you

please explain as to why mars, saturn and jupiter have these special

aspects and why not the other planets have these special aspects.

personally i do not believe in rashis having drishti as these rashis

are only mythical in nature and the reality are only planets and

stars. so only planets can have aspects and not rashis.

with best wishes and regards

pandit arjun

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun ji,

>

> Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew this. And

that is

> why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find resort in

various

> practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional charts, many

> lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non existant

yogas,

> various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and gochara-veda

systems.

> Above all now add the concept of " Transit in D-charts " as well!!!

Which

> event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads HELPS only

and in

> EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them neither

finds

> supports from classics, and some of them are slightly supported by

> classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts there in no

well

> defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which one to

select.

> Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and fame in

those

> muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers KNOWS

which are

> useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the classics are

> better from their own daily direct experience.

>

> I completely agree with you, and support your views.

>

> Love,

>

> Sreenadh

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed similar

> > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis is the

> > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in

badlight,

> > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical references

of

> > any event that has happened already from any date of birth with

any

> > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this hindsight

> > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart, navamsha,

> > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and nonexisting

> > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then conjunctions and

> > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other

divisional

> > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as rashis,

> > various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha systems

> > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis on " n "

number

> > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you cant

> > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri to

raman or

> > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants and new

> > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for thought.

> >

> > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and not

> > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting without any

> > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his

> > predictions come true and making the practice of an astrologer

> > perfect.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > pandit arjun

>

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pandit ji,

> > > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and

> > present it

> > > again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I have

> > done some

> > > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > < , Panditji

> > > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> > > >

> > > > " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions

converged,

> > even

> > > life

> > > > profile "

> > > >

> > > > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the

event is

> > > known or

> > > > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and even

> > > portrayed as

> > > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as divisionall

> > charts,

> > > myriads

> > > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has

> > completely

> > > messed

> > > > up all the things even more. People who introduce new

> > paramenters,

> > > some

> > > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's convenience

and

> > some

> > > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY known

> > event in

> > > ANY

> > > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas are

> > seen in

> > > my

> > > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill

> > gates.

> > > Post your

> > > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers and

be

> > assured

> > > that

> > > > everthing will be seen in that chart.

> > > >

> > > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles and

> > applies

> > > them

> > > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he has a

> > > foundation to

> > > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases after

new

> > > inventions

> > > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct

> > predictions.

> > > >

> > > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at close

> > range,

> > > there

> > > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with

> > impairment, or

> > > full

> > > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the event was

> > remote.

> > > So all

> > > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in that

> > > direction. It

> > > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news

reported

> > that

> > > things

> > > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or at

wort

> > > 33-33-33,

> > > > does one really need jyotish ?

> > > >

> > > > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to his

life

> > > before the

> > > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in futility.

> > > >

> > > > My two cents.

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but if

you

> > follow

> > > some

> > > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 7, 2006

Dear sreenadh ji>>>It seems that you are speaking about "Rashi Drishti", although you are using the wordings 'for a graha to influence'.You are right,i was pointing to Rashi drishti -though using ''for a graha to influence''.I feel as you have said later in the mail,Grahas placed in Chara Rashi have a relation or necessity to interact with sthira and vice-versa.This is a fixed aspect concerned with the nature of a Rashi.It is like one individual, subjected to specific circumstances, having a desire/need to interact with one from another background.This has something to do with,the fundamentals of asatrology system(Why chara should aspect sthira).Some reason is there behind the repetitive pattern ofa)chara/sthira/ubhaya then again chara b)Dharama/Artha/Kama/Moksha c)Fire/earth/water/air etc.>>Those statements contradict. By the first statement you are accepting that "Drishti is 'related to' angle between planets/rashis".Regarding angles,i feel i was not clear enough - Though chara aspects only sthira,it does not aspect the sthira next to it.It means it is not just the nature(chara/sthira) but the angle also matters for an aspect.Thus for Rashi drishti the nature of rashis forms the basis,but the basic rule of an angle is also needed for the grahas placed in those rashis.As ubhaya rashis can aspect only ubhaya rashis,the question of angle does not arise.They are in kendras.Angle is the basic criterion.Graha decides graha drishti,while nature of the Rashi decides Rashi drishti.As you have rightly said,these concepts are already incorporated,if we use all the parameters like nature of rashi,male-female,dharma/artha,enemity,avsthas of planets etc etc.I feel progression of Rashis,have links with the process of srishti/sthithi/samhara.Rashi drishti should be studied only when we use timing patterns based on Rashi viz-Rashi dashas.Thanks for the valuable points giving direction to our studies.Pradeep , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Padeep,> You said:> > For a graha to influence another rashi a minimum angle is > > must.Dwisabhava rashis are always in kendras from one> > another,and hence there is no need for such an exclusion.> Those statements contradict. By the first statement you are > accepting that "Drishti is 'related to' angle between > planets/rashis". It seems that you are speaking about "Rashi > Drishti", although you are using the wordings 'for a graha to > influence'. The angle between chara signs is 90 deg, the angle > between sthira signs are 90 deg, the angle between ubhaya signs are > 90 deg. But how you are going to associate angle when - chara signs > has rasi drishti only on sthira signs and sthira signs has rasi > drishti only on chara signs ? Kendras are separated by 90 deg. But if > Aries aspects Le, Sc and Aq, then, the angle between Ar and Le is 150 > deg, between Le and Sc is 90 deg and between Sc and Aq is 90 deg. So > the point is, you can not compare rasi drishti to Ubhaya > (dwiswabhava) signs and that of chara (movable) and sthira (fixed) > signs. I hope that you got the point.> Now why don't you, have a look at another angel of view. I will > state it for you - below.> * Fixed drishti between signs is like characteristics of the signs > itself. Then what is the purpose of the concepts like 'Rasi drishti' > itself?! Describing the characteristics of the signs itself will > explain the effects of Rasi drishti as well. Or in other words Rasi > Drishti is a concept similar to Chara-Sthira-Ubhya, Male-Female, etc > classifications, which describe the nature of a sign. Instead of > descibing the nature of the sign, coining words and concepts > like 'rasi drishti' contradicts the basics and that is why no rishi > of Arsha (Skanda) and Jayne (Garga) school speaks about it.> * Rasi drishti has a FIXED nature and is NOT DYNAMIC like graha > drishti which changes from horoscope to horoscope. This also should > hold as back from using them in the similar way.> Yes, I always appreciate your intuition, as evident from the words -> > My strong feeling is Rashi drishtis are not to be used along with> > graha drishti.> Again in your own words:> > We should never ever mix these two systems. (i.e. Rasi Drishti and > Graha Drishti)> I agree to it.> About Sanjay Rath ji:> > It is very clear that Shri Sanjay Rath is a> > scholar and has indepth knowledge.It is also true that he has been > > doing a lot towards promotion of jyotish and providing free > > knoweldge.> Yes, I supports those statements and truly appreciate the research > he has done about the system of astrology. But the PROBLEM is, he > takes some concepts from some astrological classics, INVENTS(!) its > new applications all by himself! (It is violation of studentship of > the ancient Indian system of astrology!) For the first step he always > provides quotes, but alas for the second step how to provide quotes > when there no such thing exists! For example:> 1) In pradeep's words: "Jaimini has not told us to use rashi drishti > in so called ''D-9''." Yes, he INVENTS the application of everything > in D-Charts, and INVENTS new items about which every D-Chart (higher > multiples) should talk about, he INVENTS methods to calculate anther > dasas and anther dasa periods where no such things are provided!! He > is a very good INVENTOR!! ) If not FUNNY what is this? Is it that > he considers himself as equallent to Rishis who breached the barriers > of the world (the system that is world) and created the astrological > system which can be used to have a glimpse of the working of the > beyond (i.e. destiny/time or mahakala). Those who want to study and > use the "ancient indian astrology by the saints" will_not/can_not > accept this. If some one is doing this then he is becoming the > students of the "Rathian system" and NOT of the original streams > like - Arsha system, Vedic system, Tantric system, Yevana system etc. > Because the D-charts, and the new applications of higher D-charts > INVENTED by Rath, the special things of analysis he associates with > different dasa systems etc are NOT supported by classics.> Yes, but what ever this be the new energy he brought into astrology > and his hard work on Dasa systems, the evolvement of the great > programmer like PVR who put everyone of Rath's ideas into his > software JH 7.0, the great co-ordination capabilities, the popularity > he brought in for astrology in the west - all these should be > appreciated, and is of immense value. My love and regards to him.> > PS: Pradeep ji, may be now it is clear why 'Drishti' means 'Graha > Drishti' only and NOT 'Rasi Drishti'. > Love,> Sreenadh> > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji> > > > You can very well address me without a ji.> > My strong feeling is Rashi drishtis are not to be used along with > graha> > drishti.> > Rashi dashas are not based on the nakshthra placement of moon and> > progressions,rather that of Rashis.Grahas in chara rashis can > influence> > those in Sthira Rashis(chara has some reason to infleunce sthira and> > vice-versa?).Similarly Grahas in Dwisabhava Rashis will influence > those> > in other dwisabhava rashis.> > If we study carefully, why immediate sthira and chara rashis are> > avoided,can be understood.For a graha to influence another rashi a> > minimum angle is must.Dwisabhava rashis are always in kendras from > one> > another,and hence there is no need for such an exclusion.> > Rashi drishtis will explain how planets can influence another> > rashi/planets,while thinking of Rashi based progressions.We should > never> > ever mix these two systems.> > > > Also i got a chance today to listen to the audio from shri Rath ji> (As> > advised by Vinita ji).It is very clear that Shri Sanjay Rath is a> > scholar and has indepth knowledge.It is also true that he has been > doing> > a lot towards promotion of jyotish and providing free > knoweldge.Myslef> > is really thankful and respectful towards that.But i am afraid and > sorry> > to say that Shri Sanjay Rath has not understood the concept of> > Divisional charts and Karakamsha analysis very well.> > > > Let us take a case which i had mentioned in the past too.Sun joining> > Karakamsha will give political connections - Most translators have> > interpreted this as Sun joining Atmakaraka in the navamsha.This is > not> > correct,as, then all with Sun as Atmakaraka will have political> > connections.> > > > We have only 12 Rashis.The rashi on to which Atmakaraka graha has> > navamsha becomes Karakamsha Rashi.If Sun is placed in this > Rashi,then> > the yoga applies.> > > > Shani joining Karakamsha rashi - fame and doing well in his line of> > occupation.It is very clear that,the rashi on to which Atmakaraka > graha> > has amsha is the environment where the aatma or soul has applied> > prana/life(navamshas are navapranas).If a hardworking planet like > Saturn> > is there to promote the desire of soul,will not that person become> > famous in his line?> > > > > > Similarly Chandrena Gouryam - It simply means if Chandra is there in> > Karakamsha Rashi,then one worships Gowri.Rahu Durga - Shri Rath has> > brought in concepts of Rashi drishti etc to make matters > worse.Jaimini> > has not told us to use rashi drishti in so called ''D-9''.> > > > Now Graha drishti logic can be studied in detail,without much> > confusions.> > > > Kind Regds> > Pradeep> > , "Sreenadh"> > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its application. I> > > invite other learned member to comment on "Rasi Drishti", > supplying> > > relevant quotes as well.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji> > > >> > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.> > > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to clear > the> > > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha > Drishti.> > > >> > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working> > > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the> > > adjacent> > > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)> > > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi > drishti -do> > > > such drishtis have any effect> > > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.> > > >> > > > Regds> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To further> > > > help> > > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on the> > > same.> > > > I> > > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the> > > > original> > > > > system of Indian Astrology.> > > > >> > > >> > > > =====================================================================> > > > > What is Drishti?> > > > > ================> > > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets> > > > > -------------------> > > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora) it > is> > > > said> > > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some houses. It > is> > > > said> > > > > that-> > > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti> > > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti> > > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti> > > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti> > > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti> > > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti> > > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti> > > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a > gradual> > > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually> > > decrease> > > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to suggest > that,> > > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a Shashtyamsa > or> > > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him would > be-> > > > > 90 deg = 25 %> > > > > 120 deg = 75 %> > > > > 150 deg = 50 %> > > > > 180 deg = 100 %> > > > > 240 deg = 75 %> > > > > 270 deg = 50 %> > > > > 300 deg = 25 %> > > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL > DEGREES> > > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the "unequal house > division> > > > > system" (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!! Because > then> > > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's > influence> > > in> > > > a> > > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we know> > > > already,> > > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same. And> > > > > therefore no "unequal house division system" was prevalent as > per> > > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of 30 > deg> > > > each.> > > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is "Associating Drishti > with> > > > > angles". This concept leads to the view that "Drishti is > nothing> > > > but> > > > > relative angles between planets". If this was the basic > concept> > > > then> > > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the> > > > following> > > > > way -> > > > > 90 deg = 25 %> > > > > 120 deg = 50 %> > > > > 150 deg = 75 %> > > > > 180 deg = 100 %> > > > > 240 deg = 75 %> > > > > 270 deg = 50 %> > > > > 300 deg = 25 %> > > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use the> > > simple> > > > > formula,> > > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %> > > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support> > > neither> > > > > this view, nor the concept of "unequal house division".> > > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence from> > > the> > > > > sign of their placement> > > > > -----------------------------> ----> > > -> > > > ---> > > > > --------------------> > > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very good> > > > > text "Krishneeya" gives as the clue to the original system> > > > followed> > > > > by the saints.> > > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -> > > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati> > > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani> > > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12> > > > houses/signs> > > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]> > > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as clearly> > > > stated> > > > > by Mihira in the sloka, "Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani > Bhavanm> > > > > chikartha sampretyaye" [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham,> > > > Bhavanam> > > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the planets > have> > > > 0%> > > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are > posited> > > > in!> > > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or> > > decrement> > > > of> > > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we > follow> > > > the> > > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -> > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -> > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - (Full)> > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - Nil> > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 1/2> > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 3/4> > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 1/2> > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - Nil> > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - (Full)> > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 3/4> > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 1/2> > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > > posited> > > > > in - 1/4> > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > > posited> > > > > in - Nil> > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > > posited> > > > > in - Nil> > > > > Or in other words> > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -> > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 100 %> > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 50 %> > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 75 %> > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 50 %> > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 100 %> > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 75 %> > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > posited> > > > > in - 50 %> > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > > posited> > > > > in - 25 %> > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > > posited> > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are> > > > posited> > > > > in - 0 %> > > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial> > > > Drishti> > > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say that, we> > > > should> > > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original> > > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have NO> > > RIGHT> > > > to> > > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly> > > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject Sripati > (his> > > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same spirit.> > > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of Arsha> > > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School > (Garga,> > > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any "Partial Drishti" system! > They> > > > > have only talked about "Full Drishti" (towards 7th House)> > > > > and "Special Drishti" (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT> > > > about "Partial> > > > > Drishti"! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,> > > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably it > is> > > > from> > > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial> > > Drishti.> > > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An > Indian> > > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought who> > > lived> > > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the > period of> > > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused Parasara > as> > > > > Yevana! So -> > > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian > astrology,> > > > > let us first discard the "gradually increasing or decreasing> > > > drishti"> > > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that "Drishti is relative > angles> > > > > between planets".> > > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then, discard> > > > the> > > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School and > the> > > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!> > > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we also> > > > respect> > > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover> > > Krishneeyam> > > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably > following> > > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing some> > > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like "Vrishe Sasi> > > > > lagnagataH supoorno..." and "EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha> > > > > gaganagaH..." etc. So I won't suggest discarding the "Partial> > > > > Drishti" concept, but for sure we should discard the > corrupting> > > > ideas> > > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of > giving a> > > > > strong hold to his "unequal house division system".> > > > >> > > >> > > > =====================================================================> > > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based on> > > clear> > > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap, > Even> > > if> > > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and ideas > are> > > > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable > persons> > > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour more> > > > inputs> > > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I > know> > > > that> > > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to > intution)> > > > who> > > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in more> > > > > inputs. > > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 7, 2006

Dear Panditji

Thanks for your valuable guidance.Hope our collective efforts will one

day make our studies fruitful.

Pradeep

, Panditji

<navagraha wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

>

> " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions converged, even

life

> profile "

>

> One will realize very soon in this subject that once the event is

known or

> the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and even

portrayed as

> obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as divisionall charts,

myriads

> of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has completely

messed

> up all the things even more. People who introduce new paramenters,

some

> with a classical reference interpreted to one's convenience and some

> invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY known event in

ANY

> chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas are seen in

my

> chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill

gates.Post your

> own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers and be assured

that

> everthing will be seen in that chart.

>

> The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles and applies

them

> consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he has a

foundation to

> go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases after new

inventions

> in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct predictions.

>

> Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at close range,

there

> were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with impairment, or

full

> recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the event was remote.

So all

> one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in that

direction. It

> is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news reported that

things

> are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or at wort

33-33-33,

> does one really need jyotish ?

>

> If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to his life

before the

> event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in futility.

>

> My two cents.

>

> ...

>

> P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but if you follow

some

> discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

>

> On 5/6/06, vinita kumar shankar_mamta wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> > In the final tier, I suppose everything merges. So what is the

> > purpose of compartmentalisation, whether it is bhavas, grahas,

> > Karakatwas, or whatever...

> >

> > Somebody compared the different systems of astrology to the

> > different systems that work on computers. Each works fine and

> > independantly of the other and gives the desired result.

> >

> > When I read about the predictions for Pramod Mahajan the thought

> > crossed my mind that even with difference of one year in the date of

> > birth / lagna, etc., the predictions converged....not just of the

> > demise but the life profile too!!!

> >

> > Each person had very convincing reasons for the prediction. (How

> > convincing I am no one to judge because I know nothing of the

> > subject).

> >

> > Maybe we should not mix up systems because then we will get very

> > mixed up results.

> >

> > Each branch of knowledge can shine on its own, perhaps.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Vinita

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinita ji,

> > > I forgot to add one point.

> > > You said:

> > > > rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> > > > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with Ketu

> > > > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

> > > The point that instentanously originated in my mind is that, we

> > > haven't yet discussed the point " How karakatwas are considered? "

> > > or " How significance of various things gets associated with

> > planets " .

> > > The important point is:

> > > " Any planet can be a karaka for anything (as per placement) " !!!!

> > > The sloka that instenatiously comes to my mind is -

> > > " Adhipa sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita " Meaning, the lord of

> > any

> > > house is significator for all the things indicated by that house.

> > > House and sign are the same. So it means that, that planet becomes

> > > the significator for everying indicated by that sign as well!

> > > As told earlier, Significance is assigned to -

> > > 1) Signs 2) Houses 4) Nakshatras 3) Planets

> > > Let us take the question, who is vidya karaka?

> > > Me is vidya karaka, Ju is vidya karaka, Sa is vidya karaka

> > > especially related to sanyasa, Su is vidya karaka since sun

> > > represents atma, Mo is vidyakaraka since mo represents mind, Ma is

> > > vidyakaraka especially related to weapons, etc. Any one can extend

> > it

> > > and we would be in trouble if we are trying to assign vidya

> > karakatwa

> > > to a single planet alone! The same is the situation, when we are

> > > trying to locate Atma karaka and Moksha karaka as well! So I am

> > > against the compartmentalisation is karakatwas, and let us be

> > > fluxible in such issues, as we are dealing with a subject that

> > > follows holistic method.

> > > In this light if we are looking at -

> > > 1) Atmakaraka, Pitr karaka etc concept (Parasara/Jaimini)

> > > 2) Assigning special fixed karakas to houses

> > > 3) Sahamas concept (Forgive my ignorance - who coined that

> > word?) -

> > > which as per classical astrology is termed " Sphuta Yoga " - which

> > > associates a single thing with special logitudinal degrees.

> > > What should be our view? All these are innovative methods and

> > > should be appreciated. But are they part of the original stream of

> > > thought?

> > > I invite all to shed more light on the issues involved.

> > > PS: We should disuses the question " In how many methods

> > significance

> > > could get associated to a planet?' in detail. That is also part of

> > > the basics.

> > > Dear vinita ji, thanks for the information shared and my regards

> > to

> > > Sanjay ji as well. Forgive my ignorance - but I am yet to learn in

> > > detail BPHS and Jaimini sutra. Or it is better to say I am

> > familiar

> > > with BPHS to an extend (at least about the concepts discussed in

> > BPHS

> > > that are in line with the conventional astrology), but have no

> > idea

> > > about Jaimini sutra till now. I should turn my attention in those

> > > directions as well - but before that itself, much work to do in

> > other

> > > areas.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinita ji,

> > > > I said:

> > > > > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its

application. "

> > > > The reason behind was something else. That is, Rasi drishti is

> > not

> > > > at all discussed in other schools of astrology, except by

> > Parasara

> > > > and Jaimini. I was more interested in the Arsha, Jyna(Garga)

> > > > Schools of thought, than Yevana, Prarasara and Jaimini for long

-

> >

> > > The

> > > > reason being that the first 2 still remain unexplored. The new

> > > > revival stream is after Parasara, Jaimini and others will

> > explore

> > > > it. It is work sharing ) and my field seems to be

> > different.

> > > > Parasara puts forward many new methods - but let us first have a

> > > > clear idea of the methods that were in use before him. Yes, the

> > > fact

> > > > that he mixed several ideas of Yavanacharya with the true Indian

> > > > system holds me back to an extend. But yes, he was great! I

> > don't

> > > > know much about " jaimini system " and that too seems to be

> > different

> > > > from the original stream - and I am still in doubt, to what

> > extend

> > > we

> > > > can appreciate the mixing of different streams/schools of

> > thought.

> > > > Now coming to Sanjay Rath, I appreciate his efforts, and

> > recently

> > > > got his book " Crux of Vedic Astrology " , and yet to go through it

> > in

> > > > detail. I appreciate his efforts in bring into light the various

> > > dasa

> > > > systems. But for that he seems to depend too much on " Jataka

> > > > Parijata " of recent origin. This text " Jataka Parijata "

> > by " Vidya

> > > > nadha suri " is considered as a poetical elaboration of the

> > concepts

> > > > put forward in " Varaha Hora " . But many of the concepts put

> > forward

> > > in

> > > > this text " " Jataka Parijata " does not find authentic classical

> > > > support, and to add many are " against " the classical ideas! This

> > is

> > > a

> > > > text that should approached only with care - but still an

> > > appreciable

> > > > and worthy text.

> > > > I am totally against the divisional chart concept and its

> > absurd

> > > > explanations put forward by Sanjay Rath. They find no support

> > from

> > > > classics, and it seems that he is intentionally trying to

> > > > misinterpret the slokas as far as divisional charts are

> > concerned.

> > > > Yes, It is his efforts on explaining various dasa systems that

> > > should

> > > > be valued, than that funny (since no classics supports it)

> > > divisional

> > > > charts concept which came into light from no where. I am

> > stating

> > > > this only on the basing of having a passing view of his

> > book, " Crux

> > > > of Vedic astrology " . Yes, but I should add that it is worthy

> > book

> > > for

> > > > reading which gives a new outlook for the astrology students and

> > > > learners. I appreciate this.

> > > > It seems that it is the period of renaissance for astrology.

> > > Let

> > > > it be Chandra Hari, PVR, Sanjay Rath, or our humble efforts - it

> > is

> > > > causing a new out look to emerge. Yes, this list is vast, a new

> > > > thought and an innovative idea joining hand in this tide every

> > > moment.

> > > >

> > > > PS: Many tides may clash each other exchanging energy or

> > causing

> > > > change of direction to many others. But they are all tides for

> > > sure.

> > > > Let us value the beauty of every tide we see around us.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " vinita kumar "

> > > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > " I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its

application. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I too wasnt till i got to hear Sanjay Rathji in the last Atri

> > > class.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rasi drishti is explained in Chapter 8 of BPHS, which u must

> > > > already

> > > > > be aware of.

> > > > >

> > > > > One of its applications, according to Jaimini Sutra, is in D-

> > 9.

> > > > > According to this Sutra rasi dristi is to be seen to find the

> > > > > connection with karakas. For instance, the connection with

> > Ketu

> > > > > through rasi dristi indicates the path for Moksha.

> > > > >

> > > > > U could perhaps listen to the MP3 audio of Sanjayji's class to

> > > > > understand one of the applications of rasi dristi.

> > > > >

> > > > > The other very beautiful thing i found about the lecture was

> > the

> > > > > intro to Vedic Numerology where the generation of numbers was

> > > > > compared to the wheels within the slot machine. Its very

> > > > > exhilirating to think that each one of us could have a unique

> > > > number

> > > > > generated by the GREAT TIME SLOT MACHINE.

> > > > >

> > > > > I too posted one message yesterday on this forum which failed

> > to

> > > > > appear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinita

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > > > > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its

> > application.

> > > I

> > > > > > invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " ,

> > > > > supplying

> > > > > > relevant quotes as well.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > > > > > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to

> > clear

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to

> > Graha

> > > > > Drishti.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > > > > > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is

> > the

> > > > > > adjacent

> > > > > > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > > > > > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi

> > > > drishti -

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > such drishtis have any effect

> > > > > > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To

> > > > further

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on

> > > the

> > > > > > same.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for

> > the

> > > > > > > original

> > > > > > > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > > > > > > What is Drishti?

> > > > > > > > ================

> > > > > > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > > > > > > -------------------

> > > > > > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana

> > Hora)

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some

> > houses.

> > > It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > that-

> > > > > > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > > > > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in

> > a

> > > > > gradual

> > > > > > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO

> > gradually

> > > > > > decrease

> > > > > > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to

> > suggest

> > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a

> > > Shashtyamsa

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him

> > would

> > > > be-

> > > > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL

> > > > > DEGREES

> > > > > > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

> > > > > division

> > > > > > > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!!

> > > Because

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

> > > > > influence

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we

> > > know

> > > > > > > already,

> > > > > > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the

> > same.

> > > And

> > > > > > > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was

> > prevalent

> > > as

> > > > > per

> > > > > > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of

> > 30

> > > > > deg

> > > > > > > each.

> > > > > > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating

> > > Drishti

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is

> > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic

> > > > > concept

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in

> > the

> > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > way -

> > > > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use

> > the

> > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > formula,

> > > > > > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > > > > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints

> > support

> > > > > > neither

> > > > > > > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > > > > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets

> > influence

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > sign of their placement

> > > > > > > >

------------------------

> > ---

> > > --

> > > > -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > --------------------

> > > > > > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original

> > system

> > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > by the saints.

> > > > > > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > > > > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > > > > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > > > > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

> > > > > > > houses/signs

> > > > > > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > > > > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as

> > > > clearly

> > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani

> > > > > Bhavanm

> > > > > > > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha,

> > Bham,

> > > > > > > Bhavanam

> > > > > > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the

> > > planets

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > 0%

> > > > > > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > > in!

> > > > > > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or

> > > > > > decrement

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we

> > > > > follow

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get

> > is -

> > > > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 1/4

> > > > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > > > Or in other words

> > > > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 25 %

> > > > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

> > are

> > > > > > > posited

> > > > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about

> > partial

> > > > > > > Drishti

> > > > > > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say

> > that,

> > > we

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the

> > original

> > > > > > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We

> > have

> > > NO

> > > > > > RIGHT

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> > > > > > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject

> > Sripati

> > > > > (his

> > > > > > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same

> > spirit.

> > > > > > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of

> > > > Arsha

> > > > > > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School

> > > > > (Garga,

> > > > > > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti "

> > > system!

> > > > > They

> > > > > > > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th

> > House)

> > > > > > > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > > > > > > about " Partial

> > > > > > > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara,

> > Meenaraja,

> > > > > > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti.

> > Probably

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of

> > Partial

> > > > > > Drishti.

> > > > > > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara

> > [An

> > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought

> > > who

> > > > > > lived

> > > > > > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the

> > > > period

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused

> > > Parasara

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > Yevana! So -

> > > > > > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of

Indian

> > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or

> > > decreasing

> > > > > > > drishti "

> > > > > > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is

> > relative

> > > > > angles

> > > > > > > > between planets " .

> > > > > > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan

then,

> > > > > discard

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha

> > School

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > > > > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we

> > > also

> > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

> > > > > > Krishneeyam

> > > > > > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing

> > > some

> > > > > > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe

> > > Sasi

> > > > > > > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH

> > syachubha

> > > > > > > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding

> > > the " Partial

> > > > > > > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the

> > > > > corrupting

> > > > > > > ideas

> > > > > > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of

> > > > giving

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > > > > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially

> > based

> > > on

> > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome.

> > Yap,

> > > > > Even

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and

> > ideas

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > welcome. I would personally request well

> > knowledgeable

> > > > > persons

> > > > > > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to

> > pour

> > > > more

> > > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As

> > I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to

> > > > > intution)

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in

> > > more

> > > > > > > > inputs.

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

May 7, 2006

Dear Pradeep,

We can not be sure whether 'Drishti' means 'relative angle between

planets' or not. Have a look at the question of Arjun ji. We don't

know the exact logic behind special Drishtis. Till we understand it,

we can not be sure what Drishti is, although we can temporarily we

can accept the definition, 'Graha Drishti is relative signs the

planets influence from the sign of their placement'. But, yes, it

does not looks perfect.

But till we explore the logic behind 'Special Drishti' etc, I don't

think we have another choice. Accepting the definition, 'Drishti

means relative angle between planets', is a definition that has

existence only after Sripati, and supporting it will bring to front

the whole absurdity of considering sign and house separately,

calculating drishti percentage for all degrees etc. So think twice

before resorting to some definitions concerning 'Drishti'.

PS: It takes time for the stone fallen into the deep well to produce

a sound. So as is the mind of the wise person. So is the info that

fall into the mind of the wise. He patiently waits long enough before

forming conclusions, and spells them out. So please don't jump into

conclusions.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear sreenadh ji

>

> >>>It seems that you are speaking about " Rashi Drishti " , although

you

> are using the wordings 'for a graha to influence'.

>

> You are right,i was pointing to Rashi drishti -though using ''for a

> graha to influence''.

> I feel as you have said later in the mail,Grahas placed in Chara

Rashi

> have a relation or necessity to interact with sthira and vice-

versa.This

> is a fixed aspect concerned with the nature of a Rashi.It is like

one

> individual, subjected to specific circumstances, having a

desire/need to

> interact with one from another background.This has something to do

> with,the fundamentals of asatrology system(Why chara should aspect

> sthira).Some reason is there behind the repetitive pattern

> ofa)chara/sthira/ubhaya then again chara b)Dharama/Artha/Kama/Moksha

> c)Fire/earth/water/air etc.

>

> >>Those statements contradict. By the first statement you are

accepting

> that " Drishti is 'related to' angle between planets/rashis " .

>

> Regarding angles,i feel i was not clear enough - Though chara

aspects

> only sthira,it does not aspect the sthira next to it.It means it is

not

> just the nature(chara/sthira) but the angle also matters for an

aspect.

>

> Thus for Rashi drishti the nature of rashis forms the basis,but the

> basic rule of an angle is also needed for the grahas placed in those

> rashis.

>

> As ubhaya rashis can aspect only ubhaya rashis,the question of angle

> does not arise.They are in kendras.Angle is the basic

criterion.Graha

> decides graha drishti,while nature of the Rashi decides Rashi

drishti.

>

> As you have rightly said,these concepts are already incorporated,if

we

> use all the parameters like nature of

> rashi,male-female,dharma/artha,enemity,avsthas of planets etc etc.

>

> I feel progression of Rashis,have links with the process of

> srishti/sthithi/samhara.Rashi drishti should be studied only when

we use

> timing patterns based on Rashi viz-Rashi dashas.

>

> Thanks for the valuable points giving direction to our studies.

>

> Pradeep

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Padeep,

> > You said:

> > > For a graha to influence another rashi a minimum angle is

> > > must.Dwisabhava rashis are always in kendras from one

> > > another,and hence there is no need for such an exclusion.

> > Those statements contradict. By the first statement you are

> > accepting that " Drishti is 'related to' angle between

> > planets/rashis " . It seems that you are speaking about " Rashi

> > Drishti " , although you are using the wordings 'for a graha to

> > influence'. The angle between chara signs is 90 deg, the angle

> > between sthira signs are 90 deg, the angle between ubhaya signs

are

> > 90 deg. But how you are going to associate angle when - chara

signs

> > has rasi drishti only on sthira signs and sthira signs has rasi

> > drishti only on chara signs ? Kendras are separated by 90 deg.

But if

> > Aries aspects Le, Sc and Aq, then, the angle between Ar and Le is

150

> > deg, between Le and Sc is 90 deg and between Sc and Aq is 90 deg.

So

> > the point is, you can not compare rasi drishti to Ubhaya

> > (dwiswabhava) signs and that of chara (movable) and sthira (fixed)

> > signs. I hope that you got the point.

> > Now why don't you, have a look at another angel of view. I will

> > state it for you - below.

> > * Fixed drishti between signs is like characteristics of the

signs

> > itself. Then what is the purpose of the concepts like 'Rasi

drishti'

> > itself?! Describing the characteristics of the signs itself will

> > explain the effects of Rasi drishti as well. Or in other words

Rasi

> > Drishti is a concept similar to Chara-Sthira-Ubhya, Male-Female,

etc

> > classifications, which describe the nature of a sign. Instead of

> > descibing the nature of the sign, coining words and concepts

> > like 'rasi drishti' contradicts the basics and that is why no

rishi

> > of Arsha (Skanda) and Jayne (Garga) school speaks about it.

> > * Rasi drishti has a FIXED nature and is NOT DYNAMIC like graha

> > drishti which changes from horoscope to horoscope. This also

should

> > hold as back from using them in the similar way.

> > Yes, I always appreciate your intuition, as evident from the

words -

> > > My strong feeling is Rashi drishtis are not to be used along

with

> > > graha drishti.

> > Again in your own words:

> > > We should never ever mix these two systems. (i.e. Rasi Drishti

and

> > Graha Drishti)

> > I agree to it.

> > About Sanjay Rath ji:

> > > It is very clear that Shri Sanjay Rath is a

> > > scholar and has indepth knowledge.It is also true that he has

been

> > > doing a lot towards promotion of jyotish and providing free

> > > knoweldge.

> > Yes, I supports those statements and truly appreciate the

research

> > he has done about the system of astrology. But the PROBLEM is, he

> > takes some concepts from some astrological classics, INVENTS(!)

its

> > new applications all by himself! (It is violation of studentship

of

> > the ancient Indian system of astrology!) For the first step he

always

> > provides quotes, but alas for the second step how to provide

quotes

> > when there no such thing exists! For example:

> > 1) In pradeep's words: " Jaimini has not told us to use rashi

drishti

> > in so called ''D-9''. " Yes, he INVENTS the application of

everything

> > in D-Charts, and INVENTS new items about which every D-Chart

(higher

> > multiples) should talk about, he INVENTS methods to calculate

anther

> > dasas and anther dasa periods where no such things are provided!!

He

> > is a very good INVENTOR!! ) If not FUNNY what is this? Is it

that

> > he considers himself as equallent to Rishis who breached the

barriers

> > of the world (the system that is world) and created the

astrological

> > system which can be used to have a glimpse of the working of the

> > beyond (i.e. destiny/time or mahakala). Those who want to study

and

> > use the " ancient indian astrology by the saints " will_not/can_not

> > accept this. If some one is doing this then he is becoming the

> > students of the " Rathian system " and NOT of the original streams

> > like - Arsha system, Vedic system, Tantric system, Yevana system

etc.

> > Because the D-charts, and the new applications of higher D-charts

> > INVENTED by Rath, the special things of analysis he associates

with

> > different dasa systems etc are NOT supported by classics.

> > Yes, but what ever this be the new energy he brought into

astrology

> > and his hard work on Dasa systems, the evolvement of the great

> > programmer like PVR who put everyone of Rath's ideas into his

> > software JH 7.0, the great co-ordination capabilities, the

popularity

> > he brought in for astrology in the west - all these should be

> > appreciated, and is of immense value. My love and regards to him.

> >

> > PS: Pradeep ji, may be now it is clear why 'Drishti' means 'Graha

> > Drishti' only and NOT 'Rasi Drishti'.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- In

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > You can very well address me without a ji.

> > > My strong feeling is Rashi drishtis are not to be used along

with

> > graha

> > > drishti.

> > > Rashi dashas are not based on the nakshthra placement of moon

and

> > > progressions,rather that of Rashis.Grahas in chara rashis can

> > influence

> > > those in Sthira Rashis(chara has some reason to infleunce

sthira and

> > > vice-versa?).Similarly Grahas in Dwisabhava Rashis will

influence

> > those

> > > in other dwisabhava rashis.

> > > If we study carefully, why immediate sthira and chara rashis are

> > > avoided,can be understood.For a graha to influence another

rashi a

> > > minimum angle is must.Dwisabhava rashis are always in kendras

from

> > one

> > > another,and hence there is no need for such an exclusion.

> > > Rashi drishtis will explain how planets can influence another

> > > rashi/planets,while thinking of Rashi based progressions.We

should

> > never

> > > ever mix these two systems.

> > >

> > > Also i got a chance today to listen to the audio from shri Rath

ji

> > (As

> > > advised by Vinita ji).It is very clear that Shri Sanjay Rath is

a

> > > scholar and has indepth knowledge.It is also true that he has

been

> > doing

> > > a lot towards promotion of jyotish and providing free

> > knoweldge.Myslef

> > > is really thankful and respectful towards that.But i am afraid

and

> > sorry

> > > to say that Shri Sanjay Rath has not understood the concept of

> > > Divisional charts and Karakamsha analysis very well.

> > >

> > > Let us take a case which i had mentioned in the past too.Sun

joining

> > > Karakamsha will give political connections - Most translators

have

> > > interpreted this as Sun joining Atmakaraka in the navamsha.This

is

> > not

> > > correct,as, then all with Sun as Atmakaraka will have political

> > > connections.

> > >

> > > We have only 12 Rashis.The rashi on to which Atmakaraka graha

has

> > > navamsha becomes Karakamsha Rashi.If Sun is placed in this

> > Rashi,then

> > > the yoga applies.

> > >

> > > Shani joining Karakamsha rashi - fame and doing well in his

line of

> > > occupation.It is very clear that,the rashi on to which

Atmakaraka

> > graha

> > > has amsha is the environment where the aatma or soul has applied

> > > prana/life(navamshas are navapranas).If a hardworking planet

like

> > Saturn

> > > is there to promote the desire of soul,will not that person

become

> > > famous in his line?

> > >

> > > Similarly Chandrena Gouryam - It simply means if Chandra is

there in

> > > Karakamsha Rashi,then one worships Gowri.Rahu Durga - Shri Rath

has

> > > brought in concepts of Rashi drishti etc to make matters

> > worse.Jaimini

> > > has not told us to use rashi drishti in so called ''D-9''.

> > >

> > > Now Graha drishti logic can be studied in detail,without much

> > > confusions.

> > >

> > > Kind Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep ji,

> > > > I am not that familiar with Rasi Drishti and its

application. I

> > > > invite other learned member to comment on " Rasi Drishti " ,

> > supplying

> > > > relevant quotes as well.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Have been waiting to hear from the learned members.

> > > > > My opinion is only academic in nature and would like to

clear

> > the

> > > > > following doubt on Rashi drishti before proceeding to Graha

> > Drishti.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)How is Rashi drishti working

> > > > > 2)What makes Chara and Sthira aspect each other -Why is the

> > > > adjacent

> > > > > sign avoided (certain angle is a must for drishti?)

> > > > > 3)If planets are not present in Rashis undergoing Rashi

> > drishti -do

> > > > > such drishtis have any effect

> > > > > 4)Can Rashi drishti,be universally applied.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

<sreesog@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > What is Drishti? What is your openion on the same? To

further

> > > > > help

> > > > > > the discussion, I am presenting my ideas and thoughts on

the

> > > > same.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > hope that the following will of help in out search for the

> > > > > original

> > > > > > system of Indian Astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > > > > What is Drishti?

> > > > > > ================

> > > > > > View 1 :- Drishti is relative angles between planets

> > > > > > -------------------

> > > > > > In classics (Krishneeyam, BPHS, Varaha Hora, Yavana Hora)

it

> > is

> > > > > said

> > > > > > that the planets have partial Drishti towards some

houses. It

> > is

> > > > > said

> > > > > > that-

> > > > > > 3rd House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > > 4th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > > 5th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > > 7th House - 1 Drishti

> > > > > > 8th House - 3/4 Drishti

> > > > > > 9th House - 1/2 Drishti

> > > > > > 10th House - 1/4 Drishti

> > > > > > Here you can note that the Drishti is NOT increasing in a

> > gradual

> > > > > > manner in the first half till 180 deg, SEEMS TO gradually

> > > > decrease

> > > > > > after 180 deg. This lead somebody (like Sripati) to

suggest

> > that,

> > > > > > Drishti should be calculated for ALL DEGREES in a

Shashtyamsa

> > or

> > > > > > Percentage bases. Thus the proposed suggestion by him

would

> > be-

> > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > 120 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > 150 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > But as you could understand, calculating Drishti for ALL

> > DEGREES

> > > > > > becomes relevant only when we accept the " unequal house

> > division

> > > > > > system " (Bhava system) proposed by Sripati himself!!

Because

> > then

> > > > > > only the GRADUAL increment or decrement of a planet's

> > influence

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > single house itself comes into consideration! But as we

know

> > > > > already,

> > > > > > the ancient Saints considered House and Sign as the same.

And

> > > > > > therefore no " unequal house division system " was

prevalent as

> > per

> > > > > > ancient Indian astrology, but only equal signs/houses of

30

> > deg

> > > > > each.

> > > > > > Another pitfall this view leads into is " Associating

Drishti

> > with

> > > > > > angles " . This concept leads to the view that " Drishti is

> > nothing

> > > > > but

> > > > > > relative angles between planets " . If this was the basic

> > concept

> > > > > then

> > > > > > the saints could have arranged the Partial Drishti in the

> > > > > following

> > > > > > way -

> > > > > > 90 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > 120 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > 150 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > 180 deg = 100 %

> > > > > > 240 deg = 75 %

> > > > > > 270 deg = 50 %

> > > > > > 300 deg = 25 %

> > > > > > Which makes calculation easy, because then we could use

the

> > > > simple

> > > > > > formula,

> > > > > > (100/180) x Angle = Drishti %

> > > > > > But this not possible, since NO CLASSICS by saints support

> > > > neither

> > > > > > this view, nor the concept of " unequal house division " .

> > > > > > View 2 :- Drishti is relative signs the planets influence

from

> > > > the

> > > > > > sign of their placement

> > > > > > -------------------------

----

> > ----

> > > > -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > --------------------

> > > > > > As it happens in several other instances, the very good

> > > > > > text " Krishneeya " gives as the clue to the original system

> > > > > followed

> > > > > > by the saints.

> > > > > > In Krishneeya it is said that -

> > > > > > Shashtam dwiteeya bhavanam Dwadasamekadesam na pasyati

> > > > > > Swastanadweeshyante grahastadanyani bhavanani

> > > > > > [The planet does not look (Drishti) towards 2, 6, 11, 12

> > > > > houses/signs

> > > > > > from the house/sign they are posited in]

> > > > > > As we know well the word Bhavana means Sign as clearly

> > > > > stated

> > > > > > by Mihira in the sloka, " Rasi Kshetra Griha Rksha Bhani

> > Bhavanm

> > > > > > chikartha sampretyaye " [Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Rksha, Bham,

> > > > > Bhavanam

> > > > > > are words with same meaning] Thus it means that, the

planets

> > have

> > > > > 0%

> > > > > > drishti towards 2, 6, 11, 12 signs from the sign they are

> > posited

> > > > > in!

> > > > > > This also means that the concept of GRADUAL increment or

> > > > decrement

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Drishti (proposed by Sripati) should be discarded! If we

> > follow

> > > > > the

> > > > > > clear cut rule put forward by the saints, what we get is -

> > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - (Full)

> > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 3/4

> > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 1/2

> > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 1/4

> > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - Nil

> > > > > > Or in other words

> > > > > > All planets have Drishti towards -

> > > > > > 1st Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > > 2nd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > 3rd Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > 4th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > > 5th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > 6th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > 7th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 100 %

> > > > > > 8th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 75 %

> > > > > > 9th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they are

> > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 50 %

> > > > > > 10th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 25 %

> > > > > > 11th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > 12th Sign from the sign (completely) from the sign they

are

> > > > > posited

> > > > > > in - 0 %

> > > > > > If you feel that this concept of Saints about partial

> > > > > Drishti

> > > > > > is primitive and incomplete, then I would boldly say

that, we

> > > > > should

> > > > > > accept their concept AS IS till we understand the original

> > > > > > astrological system proposed by them, completely. We have

NO

> > > > RIGHT

> > > > > to

> > > > > > pour water into the system they proposed without clearly

> > > > > > understanding the system proposed by them. I reject

Sripati

> > (his

> > > > > > corrupting of the original system) also in the same

spirit.

> > > > > > One more point we should remember - The saints of Arsha

> > > > > > School (Skanda, Vasishta, Viswamitra etc), Garga School

> > (Garga,

> > > > > > Rishiputra etc) NEVER proposed any " Partial Drishti "

system!

> > They

> > > > > > have only talked about " Full Drishti " (towards 7th House)

> > > > > > and " Special Drishti " (of Ma, Sa and Ju) only and NOT

> > > > > about " Partial

> > > > > > Drishti " ! It is the Yavana School (Yevanewara, Meenaraja,

> > > > > > Sphujidhwaja etc) that proposed partial Drishti. Probably

it

> > is

> > > > > from

> > > > > > Yevanewara that Parasara borrowed this concept of Partial

> > > > Drishti.

> > > > > > Since Parasara borrowed many concepts from Yavaneswara [An

> > Indian

> > > > > > (Afghanistan?) guru of an astrological school of thought

who

> > > > lived

> > > > > > far before Alexander's invasion to India and before the

> > period of

> > > > > > Parasara Hora, i.e. 1400 BC], many have even abused

Parasara

> > as

> > > > > > Yevana! So -

> > > > > > 1) if you want to go by the original steam of Indian

> > astrology,

> > > > > > let us first discard the " gradually increasing or

decreasing

> > > > > drishti "

> > > > > > concept of Sripati and the idea that " Drishti is relative

> > angles

> > > > > > between planets " .

> > > > > > 2) If you are strong willed and a real puritan then,

discard

> > > > > the

> > > > > > concept of partial drishti itself, since the Arsha School

and

> > the

> > > > > > Garga School never propose such a thing!!

> > > > > > But I won't suggest you to do the second thing, since we

also

> > > > > respect

> > > > > > the views of Yevanewara and Parasara as well. Moreover

> > > > Krishneeyam

> > > > > > and Saravali also talk about Partial Drishti (probably

> > following

> > > > > > Parasara). Saravali even goes to the extend of proposing

some

> > > > > > Rajayoga based on Partial Drishti in slokas like " Vrishe

Sasi

> > > > > > lagnagataH supoorno... " and " EkaH sweche subhaH syachubha

> > > > > > gaganagaH... " etc. So I won't suggest discarding

the " Partial

> > > > > > Drishti " concept, but for sure we should discard the

> > corrupting

> > > > > ideas

> > > > > > put forward by Sripati, with the malicious intention of

> > giving a

> > > > > > strong hold to his " unequal house division system " .

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > > > > New inputs and thoughts on this issue, (especially based

on

> > > > clear

> > > > > > evidance from astrological classics), are welcome. Yap,

> > Even

> > > > if

> > > > > > not based on classics, all clear logical thoughts and

ideas

> > are

> > > > > > welcome. I would personally request well knowledgeable

> > persons

> > > > > > like Panditji, Dakshnamoorti ji, Chandra hari etc to pour

more

> > > > > inputs

> > > > > > and thoughts on the same, revealing their true ideas. As I

> > know

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Vijayadas Pradeep ji is a person who (probably due to

> > intution)

> > > > > who

> > > > > > argues in this direction, I also request him to pour in

more

> > > > > > inputs.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 7, 2006

Dear Arjun ji,

You asked:

> do the special aspects of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9

for

> jupiter have any logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun

> and moon do not have these special aspects.

I don't know. May be the rational for this is present in lost

part of the Rishi horas. The only thing I know is that all the

different schools of astrological thought such as Arsha school, Jayna

school, Yavana School support the concept of special drishti.

I will supply the available quotes below:

Triteeye dasame souriH jeevastad trikonage

Chaturasram dharasoonuH kalatre nikhila grahaH

Poornam pasyanti sarvatra prayaschanti phalam tatha

(Surya hora)

This is a text of the Arsha school. Although similar sloka is not

available from the other slokas we can see that Skanda Hora, Brihal

prajapatya, Vasishta hora, Kousika hora and Sounaka hora also

supports the concept of " Special Drishti " (Ma to 4th and 8th, Ju to

5th and 9th, Sa to 3rd and 10th) These are all texts of the Arsha

school.

Now considering the Jayne school of thought –

Duschitkagan souristrikonastan brihaspatiH

Chaturthashtamagan bhoumaH seshaH saptama samstitan

Bhavanti veekshane nityam uktadhika phala grahaH

(Gargi hora)

This is a text of Jayne school of thought. Including

Garga and Rishiputra all the Rishis of this school as well support

the concept of special drishti as evident from the above sloka.

Now coming to Yavana school of thought –

Phalam visesham pravadamyathato

Bhoumasay poornam chaturasrabhe syat

Phalam cha jeevasya tatha trikonam

Poornam saneH syad dasame triteeye

(Yevaneswara Hora)

The scholars like Yevanacharya, Meenaraja, Sphujidhwaja etc of

this stream of thought also fully support the concept of special

drishti.

Being the students of ancient Indian astrological system, we

are trying to understand this ancient system without violating the

basic rules put forward by them. Therefore even though we don't know

the exact logic behind the concept of special drishti we have to

accept it. Yes, of course we can continue our search for the logic

behind this concept. When the time and effort is ripe the truth will

be revealed to us. Except Spujudwaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora all the

texts mentioned above are lost and only some slokas are available.

The available slokas does not discuss the logic behind this concept,

so we presume that it would be there in the lost part of these texts.

But yes, the concept of special drishti for Ma, Ju and Sa is one of

the age old, fundamental concept in astrology.

PS: I forgot to add, all those slokas mean, " all planets have

drishti towards the 7th house from the house it is placed. Sa has

special drishti towards 3rd and 10th house. Ju has special drishti

towards 5th and 9th house. Ma has special drishti towards 4th and 8th

house "

Love,

Sreenadh

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear sreenadh ji

>

> speaking logically and rationally all planets having aspect on the

> 7th from its house is understood. however, do the special aspects

> of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 for jupiter have any

> logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun and moon do not

> have these special aspects. the original classics mention " what "

> special aspects the planets have and not " why " . if i could not

> understand the " why " portion from the original classics, could you

> please explain as to why mars, saturn and jupiter have these

special

> aspects and why not the other planets have these special aspects.

>

> personally i do not believe in rashis having drishti as these

rashis

> are only mythical in nature and the reality are only planets and

> stars. so only planets can have aspects and not rashis.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> pandit arjun

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arjun ji,

> >

> > Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew this. And

> that is

> > why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find resort in

> various

> > practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional charts, many

> > lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non existant

> yogas,

> > various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and gochara-veda

> systems.

> > Above all now add the concept of " Transit in D-charts " as well!!!

> Which

> > event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads HELPS only

> and in

> > EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them neither

> finds

> > supports from classics, and some of them are slightly supported by

> > classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts there in no

> well

> > defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which one to

> select.

> > Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and fame in

> those

> > muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers KNOWS

> which are

> > useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the classics

are

> > better from their own daily direct experience.

> >

> > I completely agree with you, and support your views.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed similar

> > > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis is the

> > > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in

> badlight,

> > > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical references

> of

> > > any event that has happened already from any date of birth with

> any

> > > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this hindsight

> > > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart, navamsha,

> > > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and

nonexisting

> > > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then conjunctions

and

> > > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other

> divisional

> > > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as rashis,

> > > various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha

systems

> > > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis on " n "

> number

> > > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you cant

> > > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri to

> raman or

> > > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants and new

> > > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for thought.

> > >

> > > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and not

> > > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting without any

> > > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his

> > > predictions come true and making the practice of an astrologer

> > > perfect.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and regards

> > > pandit arjun

> >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pandit ji,

> > > > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and

> > > present it

> > > > again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I have

> > > done some

> > > > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > < , Panditji

> > > > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions

> converged,

> > > even

> > > > life

> > > > > profile "

> > > > >

> > > > > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the

> event is

> > > > known or

> > > > > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and

even

> > > > portrayed as

> > > > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as divisionall

> > > charts,

> > > > myriads

> > > > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has

> > > completely

> > > > messed

> > > > > up all the things even more. People who introduce new

> > > paramenters,

> > > > some

> > > > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's convenience

> and

> > > some

> > > > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY

known

> > > event in

> > > > ANY

> > > > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas

are

> > > seen in

> > > > my

> > > > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill

> > > gates.

> > > > Post your

> > > > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers and

> be

> > > assured

> > > > that

> > > > > everthing will be seen in that chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles and

> > > applies

> > > > them

> > > > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he has

a

> > > > foundation to

> > > > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases

after

> new

> > > > inventions

> > > > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct

> > > predictions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at

close

> > > range,

> > > > there

> > > > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with

> > > impairment, or

> > > > full

> > > > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the event

was

> > > remote.

> > > > So all

> > > > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in

that

> > > > direction. It

> > > > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news

> reported

> > > that

> > > > things

> > > > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or at

> wort

> > > > 33-33-33,

> > > > > does one really need jyotish ?

> > > > >

> > > > > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to his

> life

> > > > before the

> > > > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in

futility.

> > > > >

> > > > > My two cents.

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but if

> you

> > > follow

> > > > some

> > > > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 7, 2006

dear sreenadh ji

the sanskrit samhitas read by me also mention the " what " special

aspects " what " planets have and gurus and students alike have been

following them for thousands of years. till date i did not get the

answer to " why " these special aspects for three planets? " why " the

other planets do not have special aspects?

there must be some reasoning or rationale written in some texts for

sure which my gurus have not read and explained me. unfortunately i

referred several classics which all mention the " What " but none

mention " why " . even if no classical reference could be obtained,

any logical reasoning convincing enough is welcome. several modern

astro gurus have written thousands of books and if any book is

available on reasoning for the special aspects, kindly advise the

same so that i will buy and understand the reasons.

with best wishes and regards

arjun

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun ji,

> You asked:

> > do the special aspects of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and

5,9

> for

> > jupiter have any logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury,

sun

> > and moon do not have these special aspects.

> I don't know. May be the rational for this is present in lost

> part of the Rishi horas. The only thing I know is that all the

> different schools of astrological thought such as Arsha school,

Jayna

> school, Yavana School support the concept of special drishti.

>

> I will supply the available quotes below:

>

> Triteeye dasame souriH jeevastad trikonage

> Chaturasram dharasoonuH kalatre nikhila grahaH

> Poornam pasyanti sarvatra prayaschanti phalam tatha

> (Surya hora)

> This is a text of the Arsha school. Although similar sloka is not

> available from the other slokas we can see that Skanda Hora,

Brihal

> prajapatya, Vasishta hora, Kousika hora and Sounaka hora also

> supports the concept of " Special Drishti " (Ma to 4th and 8th, Ju

to

> 5th and 9th, Sa to 3rd and 10th) These are all texts of the Arsha

> school.

> Now considering the Jayne school of thought –

>

> Duschitkagan souristrikonastan brihaspatiH

> Chaturthashtamagan bhoumaH seshaH saptama samstitan

> Bhavanti veekshane nityam uktadhika phala grahaH

> (Gargi

hora)

> This is a text of Jayne school of thought. Including

> Garga and Rishiputra all the Rishis of this school as well support

> the concept of special drishti as evident from the above sloka.

> Now coming to Yavana school of thought –

> Phalam visesham pravadamyathato

> Bhoumasay poornam chaturasrabhe syat

> Phalam cha jeevasya tatha trikonam

> Poornam saneH syad dasame triteeye

> (Yevaneswara Hora)

> The scholars like Yevanacharya, Meenaraja, Sphujidhwaja etc

of

> this stream of thought also fully support the concept of special

> drishti.

>

> Being the students of ancient Indian astrological system,

we

> are trying to understand this ancient system without violating the

> basic rules put forward by them. Therefore even though we don't

know

> the exact logic behind the concept of special drishti we have to

> accept it. Yes, of course we can continue our search for the logic

> behind this concept. When the time and effort is ripe the truth

will

> be revealed to us. Except Spujudwaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora all

the

> texts mentioned above are lost and only some slokas are available.

> The available slokas does not discuss the logic behind this

concept,

> so we presume that it would be there in the lost part of these

texts.

> But yes, the concept of special drishti for Ma, Ju and Sa is one

of

> the age old, fundamental concept in astrology.

>

> PS: I forgot to add, all those slokas mean, " all planets have

> drishti towards the 7th house from the house it is placed. Sa has

> special drishti towards 3rd and 10th house. Ju has special drishti

> towards 5th and 9th house. Ma has special drishti towards 4th and

8th

> house "

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > speaking logically and rationally all planets having aspect on

the

> > 7th from its house is understood. however, do the special

aspects

> > of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 for jupiter have any

> > logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun and moon do

not

> > have these special aspects. the original classics

mention " what "

> > special aspects the planets have and not " why " . if i could not

> > understand the " why " portion from the original classics, could

you

> > please explain as to why mars, saturn and jupiter have these

> special

> > aspects and why not the other planets have these special aspects.

> >

> > personally i do not believe in rashis having drishti as these

> rashis

> > are only mythical in nature and the reality are only planets and

> > stars. so only planets can have aspects and not rashis.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > >

> > > Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew this.

And

> > that is

> > > why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find resort in

> > various

> > > practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional charts,

many

> > > lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non existant

> > yogas,

> > > various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and gochara-veda

> > systems.

> > > Above all now add the concept of " Transit in D-charts " as

well!!!

> > Which

> > > event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads HELPS

only

> > and in

> > > EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them neither

> > finds

> > > supports from classics, and some of them are slightly

supported by

> > > classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts there in

no

> > well

> > > defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which one to

> > select.

> > > Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and fame

in

> > those

> > > muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers KNOWS

> > which are

> > > useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the

classics

> are

> > > better from their own daily direct experience.

> > >

> > > I completely agree with you, and support your views.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > --- In

, " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed similar

> > > > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis is

the

> > > > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in

> > badlight,

> > > > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical

references

> > of

> > > > any event that has happened already from any date of birth

with

> > any

> > > > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this

hindsight

> > > > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart,

navamsha,

> > > > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and

> nonexisting

> > > > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then

conjunctions

> and

> > > > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other

> > divisional

> > > > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as

rashis,

> > > > various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha

> systems

> > > > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis on " n "

> > number

> > > > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you

cant

> > > > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri to

> > raman or

> > > > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants and

new

> > > > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for

thought.

> > > >

> > > > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and

not

> > > > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting without

any

> > > > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his

> > > > predictions come true and making the practice of an

astrologer

> > > > perfect.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pandit ji,

> > > > > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and

> > > > present it

> > > > > again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I

have

> > > > done some

> > > > > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > < , Panditji

> > > > > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions

> > converged,

> > > > even

> > > > > life

> > > > > > profile "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the

> > event is

> > > > > known or

> > > > > > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and

> even

> > > > > portrayed as

> > > > > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as

divisionall

> > > > charts,

> > > > > myriads

> > > > > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has

> > > > completely

> > > > > messed

> > > > > > up all the things even more. People who introduce new

> > > > paramenters,

> > > > > some

> > > > > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's

convenience

> > and

> > > > some

> > > > > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY

> known

> > > > event in

> > > > > ANY

> > > > > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana

yogas

> are

> > > > seen in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of

Bill

> > > > gates.

> > > > > Post your

> > > > > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers

and

> > be

> > > > assured

> > > > > that

> > > > > > everthing will be seen in that chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles

and

> > > > applies

> > > > > them

> > > > > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he

has

> a

> > > > > foundation to

> > > > > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases

> after

> > new

> > > > > inventions

> > > > > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct

> > > > predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at

> close

> > > > range,

> > > > > there

> > > > > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with

> > > > impairment, or

> > > > > full

> > > > > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the

event

> was

> > > > remote.

> > > > > So all

> > > > > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in

> that

> > > > > direction. It

> > > > > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news

> > reported

> > > > that

> > > > > things

> > > > > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or

at

> > wort

> > > > > 33-33-33,

> > > > > > does one really need jyotish ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to

his

> > life

> > > > > before the

> > > > > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in

> futility.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My two cents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but

if

> > you

> > > > follow

> > > > > some

> > > > > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 7, 2006

Dear Arjun ji,

You are exactly right.

> till date i did not get the

> answer to " why " these special aspects for three planets? " why " the

> other planets do not have special aspects?

Me too is searching for the answer to that question. But the fact

remains that even when we find some logically correct answer [that

ofcourse we can find ] that may not be the true one!!!

I will try to provide (inventions!!) some possible EXPLANATIONS

later (let me think about it), but be sure to remember that they may

not be the true ones.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear sreenadh ji

>

> the sanskrit samhitas read by me also mention the " what " special

> aspects " what " planets have and gurus and students alike have been

> following them for thousands of years. till date i did not get the

> answer to " why " these special aspects for three planets? " why " the

> other planets do not have special aspects?

>

> there must be some reasoning or rationale written in some texts for

> sure which my gurus have not read and explained me. unfortunately

i

> referred several classics which all mention the " What " but none

> mention " why " . even if no classical reference could be obtained,

> any logical reasoning convincing enough is welcome. several modern

> astro gurus have written thousands of books and if any book is

> available on reasoning for the special aspects, kindly advise the

> same so that i will buy and understand the reasons.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> arjun

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arjun ji,

> > You asked:

> > > do the special aspects of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and

> 5,9

> > for

> > > jupiter have any logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury,

> sun

> > > and moon do not have these special aspects.

> > I don't know. May be the rational for this is present in lost

> > part of the Rishi horas. The only thing I know is that all the

> > different schools of astrological thought such as Arsha school,

> Jayna

> > school, Yavana School support the concept of special drishti.

> >

> > I will supply the available quotes below:

> >

> > Triteeye dasame souriH jeevastad trikonage

> > Chaturasram dharasoonuH kalatre nikhila grahaH

> > Poornam pasyanti sarvatra prayaschanti phalam tatha

> > (Surya hora)

> > This is a text of the Arsha school. Although similar sloka is not

> > available from the other slokas we can see that Skanda Hora,

> Brihal

> > prajapatya, Vasishta hora, Kousika hora and Sounaka hora also

> > supports the concept of " Special Drishti " (Ma to 4th and 8th, Ju

> to

> > 5th and 9th, Sa to 3rd and 10th) These are all texts of the

Arsha

> > school.

> > Now considering the Jayne school of thought –

> >

> > Duschitkagan souristrikonastan brihaspatiH

> > Chaturthashtamagan bhoumaH seshaH saptama samstitan

> > Bhavanti veekshane nityam uktadhika phala grahaH

> > (Gargi

> hora)

> > This is a text of Jayne school of thought.

Including

> > Garga and Rishiputra all the Rishis of this school as well

support

> > the concept of special drishti as evident from the above sloka.

> > Now coming to Yavana school of thought –

> > Phalam visesham pravadamyathato

> > Bhoumasay poornam chaturasrabhe syat

> > Phalam cha jeevasya tatha trikonam

> > Poornam saneH syad dasame triteeye

> > (Yevaneswara Hora)

> > The scholars like Yevanacharya, Meenaraja, Sphujidhwaja etc

> of

> > this stream of thought also fully support the concept of special

> > drishti.

> >

> > Being the students of ancient Indian astrological system,

> we

> > are trying to understand this ancient system without violating

the

> > basic rules put forward by them. Therefore even though we don't

> know

> > the exact logic behind the concept of special drishti we have to

> > accept it. Yes, of course we can continue our search for the

logic

> > behind this concept. When the time and effort is ripe the truth

> will

> > be revealed to us. Except Spujudwaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora all

> the

> > texts mentioned above are lost and only some slokas are

available.

> > The available slokas does not discuss the logic behind this

> concept,

> > so we presume that it would be there in the lost part of these

> texts.

> > But yes, the concept of special drishti for Ma, Ju and Sa is one

> of

> > the age old, fundamental concept in astrology.

> >

> > PS: I forgot to add, all those slokas mean, " all planets have

> > drishti towards the 7th house from the house it is placed. Sa has

> > special drishti towards 3rd and 10th house. Ju has special

drishti

> > towards 5th and 9th house. Ma has special drishti towards 4th and

> 8th

> > house "

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- In

, " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > speaking logically and rationally all planets having aspect on

> the

> > > 7th from its house is understood. however, do the special

> aspects

> > > of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 for jupiter have

any

> > > logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun and moon do

> not

> > > have these special aspects. the original classics

> mention " what "

> > > special aspects the planets have and not " why " . if i could not

> > > understand the " why " portion from the original classics, could

> you

> > > please explain as to why mars, saturn and jupiter have these

> > special

> > > aspects and why not the other planets have these special

aspects.

> > >

> > > personally i do not believe in rashis having drishti as these

> > rashis

> > > are only mythical in nature and the reality are only planets

and

> > > stars. so only planets can have aspects and not rashis.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and regards

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > >

> > > > Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew this.

> And

> > > that is

> > > > why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find resort

in

> > > various

> > > > practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional charts,

> many

> > > > lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non

existant

> > > yogas,

> > > > various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and gochara-

veda

> > > systems.

> > > > Above all now add the concept of " Transit in D-charts " as

> well!!!

> > > Which

> > > > event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads HELPS

> only

> > > and in

> > > > EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them

neither

> > > finds

> > > > supports from classics, and some of them are slightly

> supported by

> > > > classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts there in

> no

> > > well

> > > > defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which one to

> > > select.

> > > > Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and fame

> in

> > > those

> > > > muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers KNOWS

> > > which are

> > > > useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the

> classics

> > are

> > > > better from their own daily direct experience.

> > > >

> > > > I completely agree with you, and support your views.

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > > >

> > > > > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed similar

> > > > > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis is

> the

> > > > > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in

> > > badlight,

> > > > > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical

> references

> > > of

> > > > > any event that has happened already from any date of birth

> with

> > > any

> > > > > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this

> hindsight

> > > > > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart,

> navamsha,

> > > > > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and

> > nonexisting

> > > > > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then

> conjunctions

> > and

> > > > > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other

> > > divisional

> > > > > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as

> rashis,

> > > > > various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha

> > systems

> > > > > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis on " n "

> > > number

> > > > > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you

> cant

> > > > > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri to

> > > raman or

> > > > > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants

and

> new

> > > > > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for

> thought.

> > > > >

> > > > > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and

> not

> > > > > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting without

> any

> > > > > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his

> > > > > predictions come true and making the practice of an

> astrologer

> > > > > perfect.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pandit ji,

> > > > > > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and

> > > > > present it

> > > > > > again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I

> have

> > > > > done some

> > > > > > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > < ,

Panditji

> > > > > > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions

> > > converged,

> > > > > even

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > profile "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One will realize very soon in this subject that once

the

> > > event is

> > > > > > known or

> > > > > > > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen

and

> > even

> > > > > > portrayed as

> > > > > > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as

> divisionall

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > myriads

> > > > > > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them,

has

> > > > > completely

> > > > > > messed

> > > > > > > up all the things even more. People who introduce new

> > > > > paramenters,

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's

> convenience

> > > and

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY

> > known

> > > > > event in

> > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana

> yogas

> > are

> > > > > seen in

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of

> Bill

> > > > > gates.

> > > > > > Post your

> > > > > > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers

> and

> > > be

> > > > > assured

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > everthing will be seen in that chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested

principles

> and

> > > > > applies

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he

> has

> > a

> > > > > > foundation to

> > > > > > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases

> > after

> > > new

> > > > > > inventions

> > > > > > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct

> > > > > predictions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at

> > close

> > > > > range,

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with

> > > > > impairment, or

> > > > > > full

> > > > > > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the

> event

> > was

> > > > > remote.

> > > > > > So all

> > > > > > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move

in

> > that

> > > > > > direction. It

> > > > > > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news

> > > reported

> > > > > that

> > > > > > things

> > > > > > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or

> at

> > > wort

> > > > > > 33-33-33,

> > > > > > > does one really need jyotish ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to

> his

> > > life

> > > > > > before the

> > > > > > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in

> > futility.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My two cents.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list,

but

> if

> > > you

> > > > > follow

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 7, 2006

Namaskaar Sri Arjuna, Sri Pradeep and Sri SreenadhThese are interesting questions and I am sure everyone is asking them. There is some idea about this in my mind but I still need to crystallize these thougths into firm concepts. I thought I'd just share these with you and may be something concrete can be found out:

Special Drishti is of 3 grahas, namely Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. All 3 are outer grahas. Not only are they outer grahas in the context of orbit of Earth but represents the interaction with the society. Jupiter may have a drishti of 5 and 9 as it is connected with protection of Dharma and acquisiton of Knowledge. Mars may have a drishti of 4 and 8 as it connected with karmas to satisfy passions, ambition and the other desires of the mind. Saturn is connected with performance of one's duties and has a drishti of 3 and 10. 3rd drishti for courage and entreprenuership and 10th drishti for purposeful action. These are just my thoughts and subject to change. Hoping something meaningful can come out of this discussion.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 5/7/06,

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

dear sreenadh ji

the sanskrit samhitas read by me also mention the " what " special

aspects " what " planets have and gurus and students alike have been

following them for thousands of years. till date i did not get the

answer to " why " these special aspects for three planets? " why " the

other planets do not have special aspects?

there must be some reasoning or rationale written in some texts for

sure which my gurus have not read and explained me. unfortunately i

referred several classics which all mention the " What " but none

mention " why " . even if no classical reference could be obtained,

any logical reasoning convincing enough is welcome. several modern

astro gurus have written thousands of books and if any book is

available on reasoning for the special aspects, kindly advise the

same so that i will buy and understand the reasons.

with best wishes and regards

arjun

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun ji,

> You asked:

> > do the special aspects of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and

5,9

> for

> > jupiter have any logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury,

sun

> > and moon do not have these special aspects.

> I don't know. May be the rational for this is present in lost

> part of the Rishi horas. The only thing I know is that all the

> different schools of astrological thought such as Arsha school,

Jayna

> school, Yavana School support the concept of special drishti.

>

> I will supply the available quotes below:

>

> Triteeye dasame souriH jeevastad trikonage

> Chaturasram dharasoonuH kalatre nikhila grahaH

> Poornam pasyanti sarvatra prayaschanti phalam tatha

> (Surya hora)

> This is a text of the Arsha school. Although similar sloka is not

> available from the other slokas we can see that Skanda Hora,

Brihal

> prajapatya, Vasishta hora, Kousika hora and Sounaka hora also

> supports the concept of " Special Drishti " (Ma to 4th and 8th, Ju

to

> 5th and 9th, Sa to 3rd and 10th) These are all texts of the Arsha

> school.

> Now considering the Jayne school of thought –

>

> Duschitkagan souristrikonastan brihaspatiH

> Chaturthashtamagan bhoumaH seshaH saptama samstitan

> Bhavanti veekshane nityam uktadhika phala grahaH

> (Gargi

hora)

> This is a text of Jayne school of thought. Including

> Garga and Rishiputra all the Rishis of this school as well support

> the concept of special drishti as evident from the above sloka.

> Now coming to Yavana school of thought –

> Phalam visesham pravadamyathato

> Bhoumasay poornam chaturasrabhe syat

> Phalam cha jeevasya tatha trikonam

> Poornam saneH syad dasame triteeye

> (Yevaneswara Hora)

> The scholars like Yevanacharya, Meenaraja, Sphujidhwaja etc

of

> this stream of thought also fully support the concept of special

> drishti.

>

> Being the students of ancient Indian astrological system,

we

> are trying to understand this ancient system without violating the

> basic rules put forward by them. Therefore even though we don't

know

> the exact logic behind the concept of special drishti we have to

> accept it. Yes, of course we can continue our search for the logic

> behind this concept. When the time and effort is ripe the truth

will

> be revealed to us. Except Spujudwaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora all

the

> texts mentioned above are lost and only some slokas are available.

> The available slokas does not discuss the logic behind this

concept,

> so we presume that it would be there in the lost part of these

texts.

> But yes, the concept of special drishti for Ma, Ju and Sa is one

of

> the age old, fundamental concept in astrology.

>

> PS: I forgot to add, all those slokas mean, " all planets have

> drishti towards the 7th house from the house it is placed. Sa has

> special drishti towards 3rd and 10th house. Ju has special drishti

> towards 5th and 9th house. Ma has special drishti towards 4th and

8th

> house "

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > speaking logically and rationally all planets having aspect on

the

> > 7th from its house is understood. however, do the special

aspects

> > of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 for jupiter have any

> > logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun and moon do

not

> > have these special aspects. the original classics

mention " what "

> > special aspects the planets have and not " why " . if i could not

> > understand the " why " portion from the original classics, could

you

> > please explain as to why mars, saturn and jupiter have these

> special

> > aspects and why not the other planets have these special aspects.

> >

> > personally i do not believe in rashis having drishti as these

> rashis

> > are only mythical in nature and the reality are only planets and

> > stars. so only planets can have aspects and not rashis.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > >

> > > Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew this.

And

> > that is

> > > why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find resort in

> > various

> > > practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional charts,

many

> > > lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non existant

> > yogas,

> > > various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and gochara-veda

> > systems.

> > > Above all now add the concept of " Transit in D-charts " as

well!!!

> > Which

> > > event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads HELPS

only

> > and in

> > > EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them neither

> > finds

> > > supports from classics, and some of them are slightly

supported by

> > > classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts there in

no

> > well

> > > defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which one to

> > select.

> > > Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and fame

in

> > those

> > > muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers KNOWS

> > which are

> > > useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the

classics

> are

> > > better from their own daily direct experience.

> > >

> > > I completely agree with you, and support your views.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

, " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed similar

> > > > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis is

the

> > > > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in

> > badlight,

> > > > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical

references

> > of

> > > > any event that has happened already from any date of birth

with

> > any

> > > > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this

hindsight

> > > > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart,

navamsha,

> > > > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and

> nonexisting

> > > > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then

conjunctions

> and

> > > > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other

> > divisional

> > > > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as

rashis,

> > > > various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha

> systems

> > > > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis on " n "

> > number

> > > > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you

cant

> > > > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri to

> > raman or

> > > > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants and

new

> > > > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for

thought.

> > > >

> > > > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and

not

> > > > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting without

any

> > > > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his

> > > > predictions come true and making the practice of an

astrologer

> > > > perfect.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pandit ji,

> > > > > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and

> > > > present it

> > > > > again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I

have

> > > > done some

> > > > > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > < , Panditji

> > > > > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions

> > converged,

> > > > even

> > > > > life

> > > > > > profile "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the

> > event is

> > > > > known or

> > > > > > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and

> even

> > > > > portrayed as

> > > > > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as

divisionall

> > > > charts,

> > > > > myriads

> > > > > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has

> > > > completely

> > > > > messed

> > > > > > up all the things even more. People who introduce new

> > > > paramenters,

> > > > > some

> > > > > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's

convenience

> > and

> > > > some

> > > > > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY

> known

> > > > event in

> > > > > ANY

> > > > > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana

yogas

> are

> > > > seen in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of

Bill

> > > > gates.

> > > > > Post your

> > > > > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers

and

> > be

> > > > assured

> > > > > that

> > > > > > everthing will be seen in that chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles

and

> > > > applies

> > > > > them

> > > > > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he

has

> a

> > > > > foundation to

> > > > > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases

> after

> > new

> > > > > inventions

> > > > > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct

> > > > predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at

> close

> > > > range,

> > > > > there

> > > > > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with

> > > > impairment, or

> > > > > full

> > > > > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the

event

> was

> > > > remote.

> > > > > So all

> > > > > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in

> that

> > > > > direction. It

> > > > > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news

> > reported

> > > > that

> > > > > things

> > > > > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or

at

> > wort

> > > > > 33-33-33,

> > > > > > does one really need jyotish ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to

his

> > life

> > > > > before the

> > > > > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in

> futility.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My two cents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but

if

> > you

> > > > follow

> > > > > some

> > > > > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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