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Dear Bharat ji

 

Yes these points are important.I feel in the past too i have come across

some explanations(astrological reason) regarding special aspects.May be

we will get some classical support at a later period.

 

astrological reason makes planets to have special

dispositions(astronomical) and i have tried to attempt the said angle.

 

Pradeep

 

 

, " Bharat Hindu

Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Arjuna, Sri Pradeep and Sri Sreenadh

>

> These are interesting questions and I am sure everyone is asking them.

There

> is some idea about this in my mind but I still need to crystallize

these

> thougths into firm concepts. I thought I'd just share these with you

and may

> be something concrete can be found out:

>

> Special Drishti is of 3 grahas, namely Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. All 3

are

> outer grahas. Not only are they outer grahas in the context of orbit

of

> Earth but represents the interaction with the society. Jupiter may

have a

> drishti of 5 and 9 as it is connected with protection of Dharma and

> acquisiton of Knowledge. Mars may have a drishti of 4 and 8 as it

connected

> with karmas to satisfy passions, ambition and the other desires of the

mind.

> Saturn is connected with performance of one's duties and has a drishti

of 3

> and 10. 3rd drishti for courage and entreprenuership and 10th drishti

for

> purposeful action.

>

> These are just my thoughts and subject to change. Hoping something

> meaningful can come out of this discussion.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 5/7/06, panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004 wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > the sanskrit samhitas read by me also mention the " what " special

> > aspects " what " planets have and gurus and students alike have been

> > following them for thousands of years. till date i did not get the

> > answer to " why " these special aspects for three planets? " why " the

> > other planets do not have special aspects?

> >

> > there must be some reasoning or rationale written in some texts for

> > sure which my gurus have not read and explained me. unfortunately i

> > referred several classics which all mention the " What " but none

> > mention " why " . even if no classical reference could be obtained,

> > any logical reasoning convincing enough is welcome. several modern

> > astro gurus have written thousands of books and if any book is

> > available on reasoning for the special aspects, kindly advise the

> > same so that i will buy and understand the reasons.

> >

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > arjun

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > You asked:

> > > > do the special aspects of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and

> > 5,9

> > > for

> > > > jupiter have any logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury,

> > sun

> > > > and moon do not have these special aspects.

> > > I don't know. May be the rational for this is present in lost

> > > part of the Rishi horas. The only thing I know is that all the

> > > different schools of astrological thought such as Arsha school,

> > Jayna

> > > school, Yavana School support the concept of special drishti.

> > >

> > > I will supply the available quotes below:

> > >

> > > Triteeye dasame souriH jeevastad trikonage

> > > Chaturasram dharasoonuH kalatre nikhila grahaH

> > > Poornam pasyanti sarvatra prayaschanti phalam tatha

> > > (Surya hora)

> > > This is a text of the Arsha school. Although similar sloka is not

> > > available from the other slokas we can see that Skanda Hora,

> > Brihal

> > > prajapatya, Vasishta hora, Kousika hora and Sounaka hora also

> > > supports the concept of " Special Drishti " (Ma to 4th and 8th, Ju

> > to

> > > 5th and 9th, Sa to 3rd and 10th) These are all texts of the Arsha

> > > school.

> > > Now considering the Jayne school of thought –

> > >

> > > Duschitkagan souristrikonastan brihaspatiH

> > > Chaturthashtamagan bhoumaH seshaH saptama samstitan

> > > Bhavanti veekshane nityam uktadhika phala grahaH

> > > (Gargi

> > hora)

> > > This is a text of Jayne school of thought. Including

> > > Garga and Rishiputra all the Rishis of this school as well support

> > > the concept of special drishti as evident from the above sloka.

> > > Now coming to Yavana school of thought –

> > > Phalam visesham pravadamyathato

> > > Bhoumasay poornam chaturasrabhe syat

> > > Phalam cha jeevasya tatha trikonam

> > > Poornam saneH syad dasame triteeye

> > > (Yevaneswara Hora)

> > > The scholars like Yevanacharya, Meenaraja, Sphujidhwaja etc

> > of

> > > this stream of thought also fully support the concept of special

> > > drishti.

> > >

> > > Being the students of ancient Indian astrological system,

> > we

> > > are trying to understand this ancient system without violating the

> > > basic rules put forward by them. Therefore even though we don't

> > know

> > > the exact logic behind the concept of special drishti we have to

> > > accept it. Yes, of course we can continue our search for the logic

> > > behind this concept. When the time and effort is ripe the truth

> > will

> > > be revealed to us. Except Spujudwaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora all

> > the

> > > texts mentioned above are lost and only some slokas are available.

> > > The available slokas does not discuss the logic behind this

> > concept,

> > > so we presume that it would be there in the lost part of these

> > texts.

> > > But yes, the concept of special drishti for Ma, Ju and Sa is one

> > of

> > > the age old, fundamental concept in astrology.

> > >

> > > PS: I forgot to add, all those slokas mean, " all planets have

> > > drishti towards the 7th house from the house it is placed. Sa has

> > > special drishti towards 3rd and 10th house. Ju has special drishti

> > > towards 5th and 9th house. Ma has special drishti towards 4th and

> > 8th

> > > house "

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > speaking logically and rationally all planets having aspect on

> > the

> > > > 7th from its house is understood. however, do the special

> > aspects

> > > > of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 for jupiter have any

> > > > logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun and moon do

> > not

> > > > have these special aspects. the original classics

> > mention " what "

> > > > special aspects the planets have and not " why " . if i could not

> > > > understand the " why " portion from the original classics, could

> > you

> > > > please explain as to why mars, saturn and jupiter have these

> > > special

> > > > aspects and why not the other planets have these special

aspects.

> > > >

> > > > personally i do not believe in rashis having drishti as these

> > > rashis

> > > > are only mythical in nature and the reality are only planets and

> > > > stars. so only planets can have aspects and not rashis.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew this.

> > And

> > > > that is

> > > > > why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find resort in

> > > > various

> > > > > practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional charts,

> > many

> > > > > lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non existant

> > > > yogas,

> > > > > various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and gochara-veda

> > > > systems.

> > > > > Above all now add the concept of " Transit in D-charts " as

> > well!!!

> > > > Which

> > > > > event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads HELPS

> > only

> > > > and in

> > > > > EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them neither

> > > > finds

> > > > > supports from classics, and some of them are slightly

> > supported by

> > > > > classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts there in

> > no

> > > > well

> > > > > defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which one to

> > > > select.

> > > > > Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and fame

> > in

> > > > those

> > > > > muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers KNOWS

> > > > which are

> > > > > useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the

> > classics

> > > are

> > > > > better from their own daily direct experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > I completely agree with you, and support your views.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed similar

> > > > > > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis is

> > the

> > > > > > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in

> > > > badlight,

> > > > > > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical

> > references

> > > > of

> > > > > > any event that has happened already from any date of birth

> > with

> > > > any

> > > > > > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this

> > hindsight

> > > > > > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart,

> > navamsha,

> > > > > > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and

> > > nonexisting

> > > > > > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then

> > conjunctions

> > > and

> > > > > > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other

> > > > divisional

> > > > > > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as

> > rashis,

> > > > > > various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha

> > > systems

> > > > > > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis on " n "

> > > > number

> > > > > > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you

> > cant

> > > > > > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri to

> > > > raman or

> > > > > > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants and

> > new

> > > > > > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for

> > thought.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and

> > not

> > > > > > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting without

> > any

> > > > > > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his

> > > > > > predictions come true and making the practice of an

> > astrologer

> > > > > > perfect.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pandit ji,

> > > > > > > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and

> > > > > > present it

> > > > > > > again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I

> > have

> > > > > > done some

> > > > > > > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > < ,

Panditji

> > > > > > > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions

> > > > converged,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > profile "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the

> > > > event is

> > > > > > > known or

> > > > > > > > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and

> > > even

> > > > > > > portrayed as

> > > > > > > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as

> > divisionall

> > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > myriads

> > > > > > > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them,

has

> > > > > > completely

> > > > > > > messed

> > > > > > > > up all the things even more. People who introduce new

> > > > > > paramenters,

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's

> > convenience

> > > > and

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY

> > > known

> > > > > > event in

> > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana

> > yogas

> > > are

> > > > > > seen in

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of

> > Bill

> > > > > > gates.

> > > > > > > Post your

> > > > > > > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers

> > and

> > > > be

> > > > > > assured

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > everthing will be seen in that chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles

> > and

> > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he

> > has

> > > a

> > > > > > > foundation to

> > > > > > > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases

> > > after

> > > > new

> > > > > > > inventions

> > > > > > > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct

> > > > > > predictions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at

> > > close

> > > > > > range,

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with

> > > > > > impairment, or

> > > > > > > full

> > > > > > > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the

> > event

> > > was

> > > > > > remote.

> > > > > > > So all

> > > > > > > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in

> > > that

> > > > > > > direction. It

> > > > > > > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news

> > > > reported

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or

> > at

> > > > wort

> > > > > > > 33-33-33,

> > > > > > > > does one really need jyotish ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to

> > his

> > > > life

> > > > > > > before the

> > > > > > > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in

> > > futility.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My two cents.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Mangal is karaka for laned property so the 4th, and being a warrior is always in danger of death, hence 8th. No idea though why bush /ravi or chandra does not have any special apsects.

 

....

On 5/7/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

 

Namaskaar Sri Arjuna, Sri Pradeep and Sri SreenadhThese are interesting questions and I am sure everyone is asking them. There is some idea about this in my mind but I still need to crystallize these thougths into firm concepts. I thought I'd just share these with you and may be something concrete can be found out: Special Drishti is of 3 grahas, namely Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. All 3 are outer grahas. Not only are they outer grahas in the context of orbit of Earth but represents the interaction with the society. Jupiter may have a drishti of 5 and 9 as it is connected with protection of Dharma and acquisiton of Knowledge. Mars may have a drishti of 4 and 8 as it connected with karmas to satisfy passions, ambition and the other desires of the mind. Saturn is connected with performance of one's duties and has a drishti of 3 and 10. 3rd drishti for courage and entreprenuership and 10th drishti for purposeful action. These are just my thoughts and subject to change. Hoping something meaningful can come out of this discussion.Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 5/7/06, panditarjun2004 <

panditarjun2004 wrote:

 

 

 

dear sreenadh jithe sanskrit samhitas read by me also mention the " what " special aspects " what " planets have and gurus and students alike have been following them for thousands of years. till date i did not get the answer to " why " these special aspects for three planets? " why " the other planets do not have special aspects?there must be some reasoning or rationale written in some texts for sure which my gurus have not read and explained me. unfortunately i referred several classics which all mention the " What " but none mention " why " . even if no classical reference could be obtained, any logical reasoning convincing enough is welcome. several modern astro gurus have written thousands of books and if any book is available on reasoning for the special aspects, kindly advise the same so that i will buy and understand the reasons.

 

 

with best wishes and regards

 

 

arjun

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Arjun ji,> You asked:> > do the special aspects of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 > for > > jupiter have any logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun > > and moon do not have these special aspects.> I don't know. May be the rational for this is present in lost > part of the Rishi horas. The only thing I know is that all the > different schools of astrological thought such as Arsha school, Jayna > school, Yavana School support the concept of special drishti.> > I will supply the available quotes below:> > Triteeye dasame souriH jeevastad trikonage> Chaturasram dharasoonuH kalatre nikhila grahaH

> Poornam pasyanti sarvatra prayaschanti phalam tatha> (Surya hora)> This is a text of the Arsha school. Although similar sloka is not > available from the other slokas we can see that Skanda Hora, Brihal > prajapatya, Vasishta hora, Kousika hora and Sounaka hora also > supports the concept of " Special Drishti " (Ma to 4th and 8th, Ju to > 5th and 9th, Sa to 3rd and 10th) These are all texts of the Arsha > school.> Now considering the Jayne school of thought –> > Duschitkagan souristrikonastan brihaspatiH> Chaturthashtamagan bhoumaH seshaH saptama samstitan> Bhavanti veekshane nityam uktadhika phala grahaH

> (Gargi hora)> This is a text of Jayne school of thought. Including > Garga and Rishiputra all the Rishis of this school as well support > the concept of special drishti as evident from the above sloka.> Now coming to Yavana school of thought –> Phalam visesham pravadamyathato > Bhoumasay poornam chaturasrabhe syat> Phalam cha jeevasya tatha trikonam > Poornam saneH syad dasame triteeye> (Yevaneswara Hora)> The scholars like Yevanacharya, Meenaraja, Sphujidhwaja etc of > this stream of thought also fully support the concept of special > drishti.> > Being the students of ancient Indian astrological system, we > are trying to understand this ancient system without violating the > basic rules put forward by them. Therefore even though we don't know > the exact logic behind the concept of special drishti we have to > accept it. Yes, of course we can continue our search for the logic > behind this concept. When the time and effort is ripe the truth will > be revealed to us. Except Spujudwaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora all the > texts mentioned above are lost and only some slokas are available. > The available slokas does not discuss the logic behind this concept, > so we presume that it would be there in the lost part of these texts. > But yes, the concept of special drishti for Ma, Ju and Sa is one of > the age old, fundamental concept in astrology.

> > PS: I forgot to add, all those slokas mean, " all planets have > drishti towards the 7th house from the house it is placed. Sa has > special drishti towards 3rd and 10th house. Ju has special drishti > towards 5th and 9th house. Ma has special drishti towards 4th and 8th > house " > > Love,> Sreenadh> >

, " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> >> > dear sreenadh ji> > > > speaking logically and rationally all planets having aspect on the > > 7th from its house is understood. however, do the special aspects > > of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 for jupiter have any > > logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun and moon do not > > have these special aspects. the original classics mention " what " > > special aspects the planets have and not " why " . if i could not > > understand the " why " portion from the original classics, could you > > please explain as to why mars, saturn and jupiter have these > special > > aspects and why not the other planets have these special aspects.> > > > personally i do not believe in rashis having drishti as these > rashis > > are only mythical in nature and the reality are only planets and > > stars. so only planets can have aspects and not rashis.> > > > with best wishes and regards

> > pandit arjun> > > > > >

, " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Arjun ji,> > > > > > Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew this. And > > that is> > > why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find resort in > > various> > > practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional charts, many

> > > lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non existant > > yogas,> > > various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and gochara-veda > > systems.> > > Above all now add the concept of " Transit in D-charts " as well!!! > > Which> > > event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads HELPS only > > and in> > > EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them neither

> > finds> > > supports from classics, and some of them are slightly supported by> > > classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts there in no > > well> > > defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which one to > > select. > > > Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and fame in > > those> > > muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers KNOWS > > which are

> > > useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the classics > are> > > better from their own daily direct experience.> > > > > > I completely agree with you, and support your views.

> > > > > > Love,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >

, " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear sreenadh ji> > > >> > > > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed similar

> > > > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis is the> > > > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in > > badlight,> > > > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical references > > of> > > > any event that has happened already from any date of birth with > > any> > > > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this

hindsight> > > > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart, navamsha,> > > > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and > nonexisting> > > > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then conjunctions > and> > > > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other > > divisional> > > > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as rashis,

> > > > various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha > systems> > > > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis on " n " > > number> > > > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you cant> > > > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri to > > raman or> > > > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants and new> > > > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for thought.> > > >> > > > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and not> > > > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting without any> > > > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his

> > > > predictions come true and making the practice of an astrologer> > > > perfect.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and regards> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > >

, " Sreenadh " > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pandit ji,> > > > > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters and

> > > > present it> > > > > again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I have> > > > done some> > > > > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > <

, Panditji > > > > > <navagraha@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> > > > > >> > > > > > " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions > > converged,> > > > even> > > > > life> > > > > > profile "

> > > > > >> > > > > > One will realize very soon in this subject that once the > > event is> > > > > known or> > > > > > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen and > even> > > > > portrayed as> > > > > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as divisionall> > > > charts,> > > > > myriads

> > > > > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them, has> > > > completely> > > > > messed> > > > > > up all the things even more. People who introduce new

> > > > paramenters,> > > > > some> > > > > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's convenience > > and> > > > some> > > > > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see ANY > known> > > > event in> > > > > ANY> > > > > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana yogas > are> > > > seen in

> > > > > my> > > > > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart of Bill> > > > gates.> > > > > Post your> > > > > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news makers and > > be> > > > assured> > > > > that> > > > > > everthing will be seen in that chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested principles and> > > > applies> > > > > them> > > > > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast he has > a> > > > > foundation to

> > > > > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases > after > > new> > > > > inventions> > > > > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct

> > > > predictions.> > > > > >> > > > > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot at > close> > > > range,> > > > > there

> > > > > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery with> > > > impairment, or> > > > > full> > > > > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the event > was> > > > remote.> > > > > So all> > > > > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move in > that> > > > > direction. It

> > > > > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news > > reported> > > > that> > > > > things> > > > > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or at > > wort> > > > > 33-33-33,> > > > > > does one really need jyotish ?> > > > > >> > > > > > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager to his > > life> > > > > before the> > > > > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in > futility.> > > > > >> > > > > > My two cents.

> > > > > >> > > > > > ...> > > > > >> > > > > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list, but if > > you

> > > > follow> > > > > some> > > > > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> >>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Panditji,

Genuine reply of the truly learned! Thank you.

I was thinking in the same lines. Sa is karaka for 10th, Ju for 9th

etc. So the Drishti may have something to do with (fixed) Bhava

karakatwa assigned to planets as well. But yes, it could be one of

the reasons.

PS: Dear all, see the humbleness in that reply, even when it is

coming from a scholar like Panditji.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Panditji

<navagraha wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Mangal is karaka for laned property so the 4th, and being a warrior

is

> always in danger of death, hence 8th. No idea though why bush /ravi

or

> chandra does not have any special apsects.

>

> ...

>

>

> On 5/7/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Arjuna, Sri Pradeep and Sri Sreenadh

> >

> > These are interesting questions and I am sure everyone is asking

them.

> > There is some idea about this in my mind but I still need to

crystallize

> > these thougths into firm concepts. I thought I'd just share these

with you

> > and may be something concrete can be found out:

> >

> > Special Drishti is of 3 grahas, namely Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

All 3 are

> > outer grahas. Not only are they outer grahas in the context of

orbit of

> > Earth but represents the interaction with the society. Jupiter

may have a

> > drishti of 5 and 9 as it is connected with protection of Dharma

and

> > acquisiton of Knowledge. Mars may have a drishti of 4 and 8 as it

connected

> > with karmas to satisfy passions, ambition and the other desires

of the mind.

> > Saturn is connected with performance of one's duties and has a

drishti of 3

> > and 10. 3rd drishti for courage and entreprenuership and 10th

drishti for

> > purposeful action.

> >

> > These are just my thoughts and subject to change. Hoping something

> > meaningful can come out of this discussion.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> > On 5/7/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> >

> > > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > the sanskrit samhitas read by me also mention the " what " special

> > aspects " what " planets have and gurus and students alike have been

> > following them for thousands of years. till date i did not get

the

> > answer to " why " these special aspects for three planets? " why "

the

> > other planets do not have special aspects?

> >

> > there must be some reasoning or rationale written in some texts

for

> > sure which my gurus have not read and explained me.

unfortunately i

> > referred several classics which all mention the " What " but none

> > mention " why " . even if no classical reference could be obtained,

> > any logical reasoning convincing enough is welcome. several

modern

> > astro gurus have written thousands of books and if any book is

> > available on reasoning for the special aspects, kindly advise the

> > same so that i will buy and understand the reasons.

> >

> >

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > arjun

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > You asked:

> > > > do the special aspects of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn

and

> > 5,9

> > > for

> > > > jupiter have any logic behind them. if so, why venus,

mercury,

> > sun

> > > > and moon do not have these special aspects.

> > > I don't know. May be the rational for this is present in

lost

> > > part of the Rishi horas. The only thing I know is that all the

> > > different schools of astrological thought such as Arsha school,

> > Jayna

> > > school, Yavana School support the concept of special drishti.

> > >

> > > I will supply the available quotes below:

> > >

> > > Triteeye dasame souriH jeevastad trikonage

> > > Chaturasram dharasoonuH kalatre nikhila grahaH

> > > Poornam pasyanti sarvatra prayaschanti phalam tatha

> > > (Surya hora)

> > > This is a text of the Arsha school. Although similar sloka is

not

> > > available from the other slokas we can see that Skanda Hora,

> > Brihal

> > > prajapatya, Vasishta hora, Kousika hora and Sounaka hora also

> > > supports the concept of " Special Drishti " (Ma to 4th and 8th, Ju

> > to

> > > 5th and 9th, Sa to 3rd and 10th) These are all texts of the

Arsha

> > > school.

> > > Now considering the Jayne school of thought –

> > >

> > > Duschitkagan souristrikonastan brihaspatiH

> > > Chaturthashtamagan bhoumaH seshaH saptama samstitan

> > > Bhavanti veekshane nityam uktadhika phala grahaH

> > > (Gargi

> > hora)

> > > This is a text of Jayne school of thought.

Including

> > > Garga and Rishiputra all the Rishis of this school as well

support

> > > the concept of special drishti as evident from the above sloka.

> > > Now coming to Yavana school of thought –

> > > Phalam visesham pravadamyathato

> > > Bhoumasay poornam chaturasrabhe syat

> > > Phalam cha jeevasya tatha trikonam

> > > Poornam saneH syad dasame triteeye

> > > (Yevaneswara Hora)

> > > The scholars like Yevanacharya, Meenaraja, Sphujidhwaja

etc

> > of

> > > this stream of thought also fully support the concept of special

> > > drishti.

> > >

> > > Being the students of ancient Indian astrological system,

> > we

> > > are trying to understand this ancient system without violating

the

> > > basic rules put forward by them. Therefore even though we don't

> > know

> > > the exact logic behind the concept of special drishti we have to

> > > accept it. Yes, of course we can continue our search for the

logic

> > > behind this concept. When the time and effort is ripe the truth

> > will

> > > be revealed to us. Except Spujudwaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora all

> > the

> > > texts mentioned above are lost and only some slokas are

available.

> > > The available slokas does not discuss the logic behind this

> > concept,

> > > so we presume that it would be there in the lost part of these

> > texts.

> > > But yes, the concept of special drishti for Ma, Ju and Sa is one

> > of

> > > the age old, fundamental concept in astrology.

> > >

> > > PS: I forgot to add, all those slokas mean, " all planets have

> > > drishti towards the 7th house from the house it is placed. Sa

has

> > > special drishti towards 3rd and 10th house. Ju has special

drishti

> > > towards 5th and 9th house. Ma has special drishti towards 4th

and

> > 8th

> > > house "

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > --- In

, " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > speaking logically and rationally all planets having aspect on

> > the

> > > > 7th from its house is understood. however, do the special

> > aspects

> > > > of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 for jupiter have

any

> > > > logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun and moon do

> > not

> > > > have these special aspects. the original classics

> > mention " what "

> > > > special aspects the planets have and not " why " . if i could

not

> > > > understand the " why " portion from the original classics, could

> > you

> > > > please explain as to why mars, saturn and jupiter have these

> > > special

> > > > aspects and why not the other planets have these special

aspects.

> > > >

> > > > personally i do not believe in rashis having drishti as these

> > > rashis

> > > > are only mythical in nature and the reality are only planets

and

> > > > stars. so only planets can have aspects and not rashis.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew

this.

> > And

> > > > that is

> > > > > why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find resort

in

> > > > various

> > > > > practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional charts,

> > many

> > > > > lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non

existant

> > > > yogas,

> > > > > various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and gochara-

veda

> > > > systems.

> > > > > Above all now add the concept of " Transit in D-charts " as

> > well!!!

> > > > Which

> > > > > event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads HELPS

> > only

> > > > and in

> > > > > EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them

neither

> > > > finds

> > > > > supports from classics, and some of them are slightly

> > supported by

> > > > > classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts there in

> > no

> > > > well

> > > > > defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which one to

> > > > select.

> > > > > Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and

fame

> > in

> > > > those

> > > > > muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers

KNOWS

> > > > which are

> > > > > useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the

> > classics

> > > are

> > > > > better from their own daily direct experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > I completely agree with you, and support your views.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed

similar

> > > > > > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight analysis

is

> > the

> > > > > > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology in

> > > > badlight,

> > > > > > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical

> > references

> > > > of

> > > > > > any event that has happened already from any date of birth

> > with

> > > > any

> > > > > > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this

> > hindsight

> > > > > > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart,

> > navamsha,

> > > > > > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and

> > > nonexisting

> > > > > > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then

> > conjunctions

> > > and

> > > > > > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and other

> > > > divisional

> > > > > > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as

> > rashis,

> > > > > > various dasha systems and keep switching to various dasha

> > > systems

> > > > > > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis

on " n "

> > > > number

> > > > > > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if you

> > cant

> > > > > > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from lahiri

to

> > > > raman or

> > > > > > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new ascendants

and

> > new

> > > > > > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for

> > thought.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer and

> > not

> > > > > > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting

without

> > any

> > > > > > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of his

> > > > > > predictions come true and making the practice of an

> > astrologer

> > > > > > perfect.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pandit ji,

> > > > > > > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big letters

and

> > > > > > present it

> > > > > > > again. The true seekers have much to learn from it. I

> > have

> > > > > > done some

> > > > > > > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > < ,

Panditji

> > > > > > > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Even with a difference of one year, the predictions

> > > > converged,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > profile "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One will realize very soon in this subject that once

the

> > > > event is

> > > > > > > known or

> > > > > > > > the facts are known, anything can be justified, seen

and

> > > even

> > > > > > > portrayed as

> > > > > > > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as

> > divisionall

> > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > myriads

> > > > > > > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply them,

has

> > > > > > completely

> > > > > > > messed

> > > > > > > > up all the things even more. People who introduce new

> > > > > > paramenters,

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's

> > convenience

> > > > and

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to see

ANY

> > > known

> > > > > > event in

> > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana

> > yogas

> > > are

> > > > > > seen in

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic chart

of

> > Bill

> > > > > > gates.

> > > > > > > Post your

> > > > > > > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news

makers

> > and

> > > > be

> > > > > > assured

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > everthing will be seen in that chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested

principles

> > and

> > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions atleast

he

> > has

> > > a

> > > > > > > foundation to

> > > > > > > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one chases

> > > after

> > > > new

> > > > > > > inventions

> > > > > > > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making correct

> > > > > > predictions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone shot

at

> > > close

> > > > > > range,

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery

with

> > > > > > impairment, or

> > > > > > > full

> > > > > > > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the

> > event

> > > was

> > > > > > remote.

> > > > > > > So all

> > > > > > > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and move

in

> > > that

> > > > > > > direction. It

> > > > > > > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star news

> > > > reported

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-50 or

> > at

> > > > wort

> > > > > > > 33-33-33,

> > > > > > > > does one really need jyotish ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If someone had predicted to him that there is dnager

to

> > his

> > > > life

> > > > > > > before the

> > > > > > > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in

> > > futility.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My two cents.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this list,

but

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

{Om Namo Narayanaya}

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Namaskar. the truly learned are always that, unfortunately

btw I am doggedly plodding my way along learning 'Jyotish' and

hopefully be able to understand and take part in all you say, in

this lifetime.

Regards

Nalini

{Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Panditji,

> Genuine reply of the truly learned! Thank you.

> I was thinking in the same lines. Sa is karaka for 10th, Ju for

9th

> etc. So the Drishti may have something to do with (fixed) Bhava

> karakatwa assigned to planets as well. But yes, it could be one of

> the reasons.

> PS: Dear all, see the humbleness in that reply, even when it is

> coming from a scholar like Panditji.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Panditji

> <navagraha@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Mangal is karaka for laned property so the 4th, and being a

warrior

> is

> > always in danger of death, hence 8th. No idea though why

bush /ravi

> or

> > chandra does not have any special apsects.

> >

> > ...

> >

> >

> > On 5/7/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Arjuna, Sri Pradeep and Sri Sreenadh

> > >

> > > These are interesting questions and I am sure everyone is

asking

> them.

> > > There is some idea about this in my mind but I still need to

> crystallize

> > > these thougths into firm concepts. I thought I'd just share

these

> with you

> > > and may be something concrete can be found out:

> > >

> > > Special Drishti is of 3 grahas, namely Mars, Jupiter and

Saturn.

> All 3 are

> > > outer grahas. Not only are they outer grahas in the context of

> orbit of

> > > Earth but represents the interaction with the society. Jupiter

> may have a

> > > drishti of 5 and 9 as it is connected with protection of

Dharma

> and

> > > acquisiton of Knowledge. Mars may have a drishti of 4 and 8 as

it

> connected

> > > with karmas to satisfy passions, ambition and the other

desires

> of the mind.

> > > Saturn is connected with performance of one's duties and has a

> drishti of 3

> > > and 10. 3rd drishti for courage and entreprenuership and 10th

> drishti for

> > > purposeful action.

> > >

> > > These are just my thoughts and subject to change. Hoping

something

> > > meaningful can come out of this discussion.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > >

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 5/7/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > the sanskrit samhitas read by me also mention the " what "

special

> > > aspects " what " planets have and gurus and students alike have

been

> > > following them for thousands of years. till date i did not

get

> the

> > > answer to " why " these special aspects for three

planets? " why "

> the

> > > other planets do not have special aspects?

> > >

> > > there must be some reasoning or rationale written in some

texts

> for

> > > sure which my gurus have not read and explained me.

> unfortunately i

> > > referred several classics which all mention the " What " but none

> > > mention " why " . even if no classical reference could be

obtained,

> > > any logical reasoning convincing enough is welcome. several

> modern

> > > astro gurus have written thousands of books and if any book is

> > > available on reasoning for the special aspects, kindly advise

the

> > > same so that i will buy and understand the reasons.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > with best wishes and regards

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > > You asked:

> > > > > do the special aspects of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for

saturn

> and

> > > 5,9

> > > > for

> > > > > jupiter have any logic behind them. if so, why venus,

> mercury,

> > > sun

> > > > > and moon do not have these special aspects.

> > > > I don't know. May be the rational for this is present in

> lost

> > > > part of the Rishi horas. The only thing I know is that all

the

> > > > different schools of astrological thought such as Arsha

school,

> > > Jayna

> > > > school, Yavana School support the concept of special drishti.

> > > >

> > > > I will supply the available quotes below:

> > > >

> > > > Triteeye dasame souriH jeevastad trikonage

> > > > Chaturasram dharasoonuH kalatre nikhila grahaH

> > > > Poornam pasyanti sarvatra prayaschanti phalam tatha

> > > > (Surya

hora)

> > > > This is a text of the Arsha school. Although similar sloka

is

> not

> > > > available from the other slokas we can see that Skanda Hora,

> > > Brihal

> > > > prajapatya, Vasishta hora, Kousika hora and Sounaka hora also

> > > > supports the concept of " Special Drishti " (Ma to 4th and

8th, Ju

> > > to

> > > > 5th and 9th, Sa to 3rd and 10th) These are all texts of the

> Arsha

> > > > school.

> > > > Now considering the Jayne school of thought –

> > > >

> > > > Duschitkagan souristrikonastan brihaspatiH

> > > > Chaturthashtamagan bhoumaH seshaH saptama samstitan

> > > > Bhavanti veekshane nityam uktadhika phala grahaH

> > > >

(Gargi

> > > hora)

> > > > This is a text of Jayne school of thought.

> Including

> > > > Garga and Rishiputra all the Rishis of this school as well

> support

> > > > the concept of special drishti as evident from the above

sloka.

> > > > Now coming to Yavana school of thought –

> > > > Phalam visesham pravadamyathato

> > > > Bhoumasay poornam chaturasrabhe syat

> > > > Phalam cha jeevasya tatha trikonam

> > > > Poornam saneH syad dasame triteeye

> > > > (Yevaneswara Hora)

> > > > The scholars like Yevanacharya, Meenaraja,

Sphujidhwaja

> etc

> > > of

> > > > this stream of thought also fully support the concept of

special

> > > > drishti.

> > > >

> > > > Being the students of ancient Indian astrological

system,

> > > we

> > > > are trying to understand this ancient system without

violating

> the

> > > > basic rules put forward by them. Therefore even though we

don't

> > > know

> > > > the exact logic behind the concept of special drishti we

have to

> > > > accept it. Yes, of course we can continue our search for the

> logic

> > > > behind this concept. When the time and effort is ripe the

truth

> > > will

> > > > be revealed to us. Except Spujudwaja Hora and Meenaraja Hora

all

> > > the

> > > > texts mentioned above are lost and only some slokas are

> available.

> > > > The available slokas does not discuss the logic behind this

> > > concept,

> > > > so we presume that it would be there in the lost part of

these

> > > texts.

> > > > But yes, the concept of special drishti for Ma, Ju and Sa is

one

> > > of

> > > > the age old, fundamental concept in astrology.

> > > >

> > > > PS: I forgot to add, all those slokas mean, " all planets

have

> > > > drishti towards the 7th house from the house it is placed.

Sa

> has

> > > > special drishti towards 3rd and 10th house. Ju has special

> drishti

> > > > towards 5th and 9th house. Ma has special drishti towards

4th

> and

> > > 8th

> > > > house "

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > > >

> > > > > speaking logically and rationally all planets having

aspect on

> > > the

> > > > > 7th from its house is understood. however, do the special

> > > aspects

> > > > > of 4,8 for mars and 3,10 for saturn and 5,9 for jupiter

have

> any

> > > > > logic behind them. if so, why venus, mercury, sun and

moon do

> > > not

> > > > > have these special aspects. the original classics

> > > mention " what "

> > > > > special aspects the planets have and not " why " . if i

could

> not

> > > > > understand the " why " portion from the original classics,

could

> > > you

> > > > > please explain as to why mars, saturn and jupiter have

these

> > > > special

> > > > > aspects and why not the other planets have these special

> aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > > personally i do not believe in rashis having drishti as

these

> > > > rashis

> > > > > are only mythical in nature and the reality are only

planets

> and

> > > > > stars. so only planets can have aspects and not rashis.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lolllllllllllllzzzzzzz................. I too knew

> this.

> > > And

> > > > > that is

> > > > > > why STANDS AGAINST such practices that tries to find

resort

> in

> > > > > various

> > > > > > practices such as many dasa systems, many divisional

charts,

> > > many

> > > > > > lagnas, many types of drishtis, many existant and non

> existant

> > > > > yogas,

> > > > > > various ayanamsas and add to it ashtaka varga and

gochara-

> veda

> > > > > systems.

> > > > > > Above all now add the concept of " Transit in D-charts " as

> > > well!!!

> > > > > Which

> > > > > > event can go unEXPLAINED. ) But all these myriads

HELPS

> > > only

> > > > > and in

> > > > > > EXPLANATION and NOT in ACTUAL PREDICION. Most of them

> neither

> > > > > finds

> > > > > > supports from classics, and some of them are slightly

> > > supported by

> > > > > > classics. Even for that slightly supported concepts

there in

> > > no

> > > > > well

> > > > > > defined and authentic rule that clearly states, which

one to

> > > > > select.

> > > > > > Any many are trying to catch there own fish for food and

> fame

> > > in

> > > > > those

> > > > > > muddy waters. Yes, the actual practicing astrologers

> KNOWS

> > > > > which are

> > > > > > useful to them, and why the time-tested methods of the

> > > classics

> > > > are

> > > > > > better from their own daily direct experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I completely agree with you, and support your views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as pandit ji has rightly observed even i too echoed

> similar

> > > > > > > sentiments earlier in various groups. hindsight

analysis

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > > most easiest for any astrologer. not to put astrology

in

> > > > > badlight,

> > > > > > > one can deduce astrological reasoning with classical

> > > references

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > any event that has happened already from any date of

birth

> > > with

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > ascendant in any planetary placement. as to how this

> > > hindsight

> > > > > > > analysis is done is people take refuge in lagna chart,

> > > navamsha,

> > > > > > > ashtakavarga analysis, shadbala, various existing and

> > > > nonexisting

> > > > > > > yogas, other divisional charts, nakshatras, then

> > > conjunctions

> > > > and

> > > > > > > aspects in lagna chart and the same in navamsha and

other

> > > > > divisional

> > > > > > > charts, do all these separately for planets as well as

> > > rashis,

> > > > > > > various dasha systems and keep switching to various

dasha

> > > > systems

> > > > > > > till you find a culprit. do through indepth analysis

> on " n "

> > > > > number

> > > > > > > of divisional charts with all the above again. even if

you

> > > cant

> > > > > > > find any culprit, just change the ayanamshas from

lahiri

> to

> > > > > raman or

> > > > > > > to any 101 newer ones lo, you get various new

ascendants

> and

> > > new

> > > > > > > combinations and changed dasha systems. enough food for

> > > thought.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prediction is the most difficult part of an astrologer

and

> > > not

> > > > > > > analysis. hence an astrologer shall keep predicting

> without

> > > any

> > > > > > > fear and it generally takes two decades before most of

his

> > > > > > > predictions come true and making the practice of an

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > perfect.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pandit ji,

> > > > > > > > I love this mail!!! So I make it bold with big

letters

> and

> > > > > > > present it

> > > > > > > > again. The true seekers have much to learn from

it. I

> > > have

> > > > > > > done some

> > > > > > > > coloring as well. Hope you will forgive it.

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > < ,

> Panditji

> > > > > > > > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One thing Vinitaji said caught my eye.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Even with a difference of one year, the

predictions

> > > > > converged,

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > profile "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One will realize very soon in this subject that

once

> the

> > > > > event is

> > > > > > > > known or

> > > > > > > > > the facts are known, anything can be justified,

seen

> and

> > > > even

> > > > > > > > portrayed as

> > > > > > > > > obvious. The modern day reliance on divisions as

> > > divisionall

> > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > myriads

> > > > > > > > > of dashas without understanding of how to apply

them,

> has

> > > > > > > completely

> > > > > > > > messed

> > > > > > > > > up all the things even more. People who introduce

new

> > > > > > > paramenters,

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > with a classical reference interpreted to one's

> > > convenience

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > invented parameters, it is not too difficult to

see

> ANY

> > > > known

> > > > > > > event in

> > > > > > > > ANY

> > > > > > > > > chart. It will not surprise me if Bill Gates' dhana

> > > yogas

> > > > are

> > > > > > > seen in

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > chart if my chart was presented as a authentic

chart

> of

> > > Bill

> > > > > > > gates.

> > > > > > > > Post your

> > > > > > > > > own chart here and say it belongs to latest news

> makers

> > > and

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > assured

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > everthing will be seen in that chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The best jyotishi is one who uses time tested

> principles

> > > and

> > > > > > > applies

> > > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > consistently and if he fails in apredictions

atleast

> he

> > > has

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > foundation to

> > > > > > > > > go back to and refine his understanding. If one

chases

> > > > after

> > > > > new

> > > > > > > > inventions

> > > > > > > > > in jyotish, there is no prayer of ever making

correct

> > > > > > > predictions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Coming back to Mr. Mahajan's chart,---- someone

shot

> at

> > > > close

> > > > > > > range,

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > were only three outcomes possible, Death, Recovery

> with

> > > > > > > impairment, or

> > > > > > > > full

> > > > > > > > > recovery. The third option, with seriousness of the

> > > event

> > > > was

> > > > > > > remote.

> > > > > > > > So all

> > > > > > > > > one had to do was look at the latest reports and

move

> in

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > direction. It

> > > > > > > > > is funny how a few predicted recovery after star

news

> > > > > reported

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > are improving. An event whose probability was 50-

50 or

> > > at

> > > > > wort

> > > > > > > > 33-33-33,

> > > > > > > > > does one really need jyotish ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If someone had predicted to him that there is

dnager

> to

> > > his

> > > > > life

> > > > > > > > before the

> > > > > > > > > event, I call it prediction, rest is an exercise in

> > > > futility.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My two cents.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.S. This is not a criticism of anyone on this

list,

> but

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > discussons on other lists, you may catch my drift.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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