some ramblings, some rumblings

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadh,

 

Yesterday i went thru the files section....basically your

articles...to understand some to the things that we are talking of

here...the 0 point in Chandrahari Ayanamasha....the BT rectification,

etc. My first thought was...Christ, what am i doing on a forum like

this....this is meant for knowledgable people....people who know

astrology....and ganitha. Though u have been extremely

encouraging...and patient.....with sometimes inane questions from my

side....the best thing for a person like me would be to remain shut.

 

The thought also crossed my mind that I could be suffering from

indigestion...the rumblings that go on with undigested food in the

stomach.

 

But as a novice in this area let me still give u some feedback...for

whatevever that is worth.

 

First let me thank u for clarifying that astrology is basically Kala

Tantra...a study of time.

 

What i like particularly is what u said about understanding the rythm

of time. It almost sounded like the ayurvedic doctor putting the

finger on the pulse. So when u can understand the pulse of time u can

understand so many things. There can be different techniques for

catching the pulse as there are different systems in astrology...but

the essense remains the same.

 

Then u said that in order to understand time u study motions...motions

of planets. That is even more interesting. Motions in relation to a

stationary zodiac... motions of the planets... motions of the earth.

The whole talk of the 0 point is a search of where the siderial

coincided with the tropical while the earth " wobbled " on its axis.

(Why the lagna jumps 180 degrees at the poles may once again have

something to do with the motion of the earth?)

 

But the most interesting thing perhaps is whether the study of the

macro could be combined with the micro. (again back to relativity and

quantum mechanics?). I am really looking forward to your exposition of

the prashna marga....the present moment....and how truth can be

derived from there.

 

And finally, whether there is anything that can bend time to one's own

wishes....by bending to the divine wish...where motions stop....and

time has no meaning???

 

Thank you, once again for putting so many delectable things on the

plate....Though the apetite is always there to gobble up food what i

should mind is the poor stomach...which is only a small pouch ... of

extremely limited capacity.

 

Love,

 

Vinita

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji,

It was a beautiful letter. Thank you. You have collected many

important points and presented them in a single mail.

==>

First let me thank u for clarifying that astrology is basically Kala

Tantra...a study of time.

<==

Yes, It is one of the most important points.

==>

What i like particularly is what u said about understanding the

rhythm

of time. It almost sounded like the Ayurvedic doctor putting the

finger on the pulse. So when u can understand the pulse of time u can

understand so many things. There can be different techniques for

catching the pulse as there are different systems in astrology...but

the essence remains the same.

<==

You have put it beautifully. Yes, there can be different

techniques for catching the pulse as there are different systems in

astrology. That is why Tropical and Sidereal predictive astrology

existed even from time of Vedic period simultaneously, and gave true

results. That is why if we take any point in the ecliptic and make a

predictive system after proper study it can give good results for a

short span (many 25-50 years) but not long. (Why ecliptic alone, even

the path of moon could a reference for creating a temporary

predictive system) That is why for giving exact results for long a

fixed frame of reference, and a mathematical abstraction of the

fluctuations, becomes important - and so the Sidereal Zodiac with

Meshadi as Zero point. Yes, In all these situations the essence

remains the same - study of the pulse of time.

 

==>

Then u said that in order to understand time u study

motions...motions

of planets. That is even more interesting. Motions in relation to a

stationary zodiac... motions of the planets... motions of the earth.

The whole talk of the 0 point is a search of where the sidereal

coincided with the tropical while the earth " wobbled " on its axis.

<==

Absolutely right. Motions should be judged against a fixed

framework - like the coordinates plotted on a graph.

==>

(Why the lagna jumps 180 degrees at the poles may once again have

something to do with the motion of the earth?)

<==

Exactly right - and that is why that question is very important.

Does it tell us that the current calculation system given in JHora

(for Lagna calculation for polar regions) is not in line with the

fundamental concept of Rishis? If Lagna is supposed to give the " the

relative angle of rotation of earth with reference to the Zero point

with in 360 deg " , then how can it jump? It shouldn't! What does that

mean? Are we wrongly taking opposite point in such situations,

because the fundamentals are still undigested? Can't you see how

even the big questions automatically gets answered when we are ready

to stick to the fundamentals? I think the answer hides here - why

lagna jumps and why it shouldn't.

Please follow the Link provided by Vijayadas ji some days before-

and see how the wrong consideration of house system as different from

Rasis could lead to more erroneous concepts - such as non existence

of some houses in horoscope etc. Please remember that in 360 deg all

signs and all houses do exist. If it is a continuous 360 deg

rotation of a single point, everything would be ok. If somebody is

changing the reference points - it should be a wrong calculation

which is a violation of the fundamentals. Rishis defined Lagna

as " The point of ecliptic that rises in the east " . So the question of

vernamalga ji " What is this East after all? " That is the right

question and he is pointing in the right direction. Thus goes my

opinion. A hint only for now (Or is it that I have stated it

already!) - I would clarify it later. Also let us wait and see,

what would be opinion of the one well versed in Ancient Indian

Sidhantic (Astronomy) texts - i.e. Chandra Hari.

 

==>

But the most interesting thing perhaps is whether the study of the

macro could be combined with the micro. (again back to relativity and

quantum mechanics?).

<==

You spotted it rightly. This is the thread of thought that leads

us towards the extreme concepts of science - let it be Relativity,

Quantum mechanics, Storage mechanism of human memory, Biological

clocks and circadian rhythm or the like. It is also the thread that

leads us towards Philosophical concepts regarding the different

thinking methods (Scientific and holistic), Subjective and Objective

study methods, study of mind (which like a broken glass) that could

only see things through classification and the like.

 

==>

And finally, whether there is anything that can bend time to one's

own

wishes....by bending to the divine wish...where motions stop....and

time has no meaning???

<==

Yes, as you rightly spotted - it is one of the extreme areas. Why

meditation? What is it? Could there exist a space-time continuum with

in brain? Is there some unknown link between the inner and the outer

world - inner having the power to modify the outer directly?! Where

motions stop, and time has no meaning - Is that a scientific concept

(as in relativity) or subjective experience (as in meditation)?

Where does all this subjective and objective merge? Where does this

scientific and holistic merge? Where do all these fragments merge

into one - integrating everything!! Where is that ONENESS? Are we

going to study (!) it also through classification?!!!!! Yes, you are

to the path of spirituality.

Dear vinita ji, save this mail (this question and this answer)

separately. This is something special of you.

 

 

 

 

No more answers for some time………

Because I don't have any……………..

But meditate on this for some time……

You will see the light inside....………..

 

Is that Siva or is that ONE………?

Is that whirl or storm inside……..?

Is that rhythm or pulsing breath…?

Jyotish makes us mad or divine……?

 

Mass destruction sure ensured….!

Beware that you have to build…..!

Dare to say - you astro fools…….

But Dare not say – you astro fools…!

 

Things can shine when light comes by….

Inner light of true sun shine……………...

Hope and wait for Siva to rise………….

Destroy all for new buildings………...!

 

But all buildings are with out life…...

Only souls can view sunlight……….!!

Idols are fore mere worship…………..

Inner divinity worth pursuit………...!

 

P.S. Life is not mechanical, so as true astrology…… Astrological

constructs are mechanical. So it is worthless with out a true

astrologer……. Astrology has two purposes they say – worldly and

spiritual. Which one you choose? Hayi….Hayi….!! How many things you

would destroy!!!!! Why you always want to deny things and stand away

from the crowd! )

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> Yesterday i went thru the files section....basically your

> articles...to understand some to the things that we are talking of

> here...the 0 point in Chandrahari Ayanamasha....the BT

rectification,

> etc. My first thought was...Christ, what am i doing on a forum like

> this....this is meant for knowledgable people....people who know

> astrology....and ganitha. Though u have been extremely

> encouraging...and patient.....with sometimes inane questions from

my

> side....the best thing for a person like me would be to remain shut.

>

> The thought also crossed my mind that I could be suffering from

> indigestion...the rumblings that go on with undigested food in the

> stomach.

>

> But as a novice in this area let me still give u some

feedback...for

> whatevever that is worth.

>

> First let me thank u for clarifying that astrology is basically

Kala

> Tantra...a study of time.

>

> What i like particularly is what u said about understanding the

rythm

> of time. It almost sounded like the ayurvedic doctor putting the

> finger on the pulse. So when u can understand the pulse of time u

can

> understand so many things. There can be different techniques for

> catching the pulse as there are different systems in

astrology...but

> the essense remains the same.

>

> Then u said that in order to understand time u study

motions...motions

> of planets. That is even more interesting. Motions in relation to a

> stationary zodiac... motions of the planets... motions of the

earth.

> The whole talk of the 0 point is a search of where the siderial

> coincided with the tropical while the earth " wobbled " on its axis.

> (Why the lagna jumps 180 degrees at the poles may once again have

> something to do with the motion of the earth?)

>

> But the most interesting thing perhaps is whether the study of the

> macro could be combined with the micro. (again back to relativity

and

> quantum mechanics?). I am really looking forward to your exposition

of

> the prashna marga....the present moment....and how truth can be

> derived from there.

>

> And finally, whether there is anything that can bend time to one's

own

> wishes....by bending to the divine wish...where motions stop....and

> time has no meaning???

>

> Thank you, once again for putting so many delectable things on the

> plate....Though the apetite is always there to gobble up food what

i

> should mind is the poor stomach...which is only a small pouch ...

of

> extremely limited capacity.

>

> Love,

>

> Vinita

>