Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear all, Given below is some of my thoughts on 'how to predict with navamsa'. ================================================================== How to predict with Navamsa? ---------------------------- Navamsa is the 9th Varga. It is 1/9 th of a sign, and that is why the name Navamsa. Nava = 9 Amsa = Division. Navamsa = 1 division out of 9 divisions. Navamsa longitude = R x 9 Navamsa prediction is also based on the 7-fold system Stana (Place) Saravali says – " Now I will say the lagna navamsa phala for signs starting from Aries. With lagna navamsa we should know the color, shape and lakshana (nature of the native & significance of the amsa). The same method could be applied to Chandra navamsa and the navamsa of all other planets " This sloka indicates that - 1) Color (based on navamsa sign and navamsa lord) 2) Shape (Swaroopa and geography) 3) Nature (character attributes of the native) 4) significance assigned to the navamsa Are the basic 4 methods used to extract the stana phala. Let us discuss the Shape (Swaroopa concept in detail). This is one of the basic rule to be followed in prediction based on navamsa. As said earlier, to determine the stana phala for each navamsa several methods are used. One of them is assigning Swaroopa. This has 2 variations. i) Navamsa Swaroopa (assigning imaginary shape to the navamsa) Saravali says – " The person born in the first navamsa of Aries will have a face similar to ram, small nose, short arms, rough sound, half closed eyes, a slim body without handicaps " Saravali assumes/assigns such imaginary shape to the individuals born in all navamsas. ii) Navamsa Swaroopa based on navamsa number This is another method of assigning navamsa Swaroopa. Here imaginary shape is assigned to individuals born in different navamsa of each rasi based on the navamsa number with in that sign. For example, if a person is born in the first navamsa of any sign, then he would be – " stingy, not bold enough in taking decisions, sinner, wants to hurt others " says shadvarga phala prakash. [iI] Bhava (House) The house (from natal lagna) in which the navamsa falls. For example if the amsa of the 2nd lord is in 12th, assets and bank balance etc can be predicted. Also if we want to speak about expense then in which items the money would be spend would be indicated by the sign in which navamsa falls and the lord of it. [iII] Graha (Planet) The combination (uti) of planet is considered in navamsa as well. For example think that Ma is in the 5th navamsa of Aries (which falls in Leo) and Mo is in the 8th Navamsa of Virgo (which falls in Leo). Also think that Ju is in Leo. Then there is a Ma-Mo combination in Leo in navamsa. Normal prediction (considering the mixing of significance) given for Ma-Mo combination can be given here as well. But no predictions considering Ju-Ma or Ju-Mo should be given, since Ju is in sign and others are in navamsa. [iV] Stana-Graha (Place-planet) The traditional astrologers use the " Asraya rasi phala (prediction for placement of planets) " told for planets in natal chart in navamsa as well. [No. Don't think of navamsa chart. I am speaking about navamsa super imposed on natal chart and not about navamsa chart] But there are 2 other cute methods for place-planet prediction using navamsa. i) Considering the House lord (House = Sign) Saravali says " Without considering the lordship of houses, we can not move even a single step forward in prediction " . Shadvarga phalaprekash says – " If the navamsa of Su is in the house of Su itself then, he would be wealthy and live a good life. But he would like quarrelling with others, taking the wrong methods and approaches and the like. He will have many diseases as well " . Similarly prediction for all the other planets are also given. ii) Navamsaka sign based prediction Sphujidwaja hora says – " Navamsaka in Aries sign (any planet placed in navamsa allotted for Aries sign) indicates, land, gold etc if Ma is strong. Navamsaka in Tarus sign indicates, quadrupeds, women, wealthy people etc " . For example, in a presena if Su navamsaka is in Aries, then that sun could indicate gold, if the lagna lord is Su then the presna itself could be about gold. In which sign that sun is placed is not important here. See the difference in use of the these words as well- Navamsa = 1/9th of a sign Navamsaka = to which sign that 1/9th part is allotted. (in which sign that 1/9th part falls). If Su is in Aries 9 deg, then Su in Aries 3rd Navamsa and the Navamsaka falls in Gemini. So Navamsa is Aries 3rd Navamsa and Navamsaka is Gemini. These words are at times used almost in a similar fashion as well. So take those words as having almost same meaning, but don't get confused. While making Place-Planet predictions with Navamsa, remember that the basic significance o the planets and signs remains the same. The only extra thing being that it is looked though a new dimension. Mihira also speaks about the Place-planet based prediction with navamsa. For example, in Viyoni Janma chapter of Brihat Jataka, he says – " If the lagnamsaka is strong then the color of that sign would be the sign of the animal born at that time " Remember that the word lagnamsaka indicates the sign in which lagnamsa falls. Taking another example from Varaha hora, let us think of the sloka " Ojarkshe purushamsakeshu… " . Mihira says " If Lagna, Su, Moon, Ju and there amsakas falls in male signs then it would be a male birth " . Here Male/Female variation of sign is considered. So it is a place-planet prediction. See to the fact that Mihira is speaking about the Male/Female variation of 8 signs. They are – • The sign in which lagna is posited. • The sign in which Su is posited • The sign in which Mo is posited • The sign in which Ju is posited • The sign in which the lagna navamsa falls (Lagna navamsa sign = Lagnamsaka) • The sign in which the Su navamsa falls (Su navamsa sign = Suryamsaka) • The sign in which the Mo navamsa falls (Mo navamsa sign = Chandramsaka) • The sign in which the Ju navamsa falls (Ju navamsa sign = Gurvamsaka) I started with Place-Planet prediction given for navamsa and now the path, seems to turn may be because of some discussions happening in this forum at this time, so I stop here. By the way there is a whole chapter (Chapter 17) allotted to navamsa based place-planet prediction, in Varaha hora. Have a look at it. [V] Bhava-Graha (House-Planet) Predictions are given considering the Navamsaka house (starting from natal lagna) in the horoscope. For example, Mihira says – " Koujamsesthe Sourina vyadhi yoni " , meaning if the navamsa of Ma falls in 7th (from natal lagna) then she will have some disease related to sexual organs " . Brihal prajapatyam says – Aste jeevamsake tatra bhargavena nireekshite Ya jata tam vijaneehi yoni manojchakanwitam Meaning, " if the navamsa of Ju falls in 7th from natal lagna and the Drishti of Ve falls in 7th then she will have beautiful hip and sexual organs " Spot the fact that, since 7th house and planets are considered it is a House-Planet prediction. [VI] Stana-Bhava (Place-House) Since house is always counted from natal lagna this system is not much important in navamsa based prediction. But we can locate some other cute uses of this. Remember that exaltation, debilitation etc is also related to place. (Stana) Look at this sloka from Prasnamarga – Daresasya navamsese moodhe neechari bhagake Papandare papa drishte kalatrantarabhag bhavel Meaning, if the lord of the sign in which the navamsa of the 7th lord falls is combusted, debilitated, in enemy sign, between malefics or aspected (drishti) by malefics then, the native will have more than one wife. For example, think that Virgo is Lagna and the navamsa of the 7th lord Ju Leo. Then if Su (lord of leo) is in Libra, he will have more than one wife. Here - Ju = Daresa (7th lord) 2nd navamsa of Pi = Daresasya navamsa (Thus the Ju Navamsaka is Leo) Su = Daresasya navamsesa (navamsa lord for Ju) Notice that, in this sloka, exaltation, debilitation etc (and thus Place) and 7th house (and thus House) is considered and also that the prediction is based on Navamsa. But such slokas are rare and is mostly based on things like exaltation-debilitation (Place), Kendra-trikona (House) etc. [VII] Stana-Bhava-Graha (Place-House-Planet) Look at the Varaha Hora sloka " Vridho MoorkhaH Sooryajarkshamsake va " Meaning, " if the 7th house is Cp or Aq and if the navamsa of Sa falls in that sign, then she will get an aged person with not much education as husband " . For example, if Lagna is Cn and the navamsa of Sa falls in Cp then her husband would be an aged person. Notice that here – Cn (Place), 7th house (House) and Sa (Planet) are considered. Also notice that it is a navamsa based prediction. I think this explanation might have cleared the doubt – " how to predict with navamsa " at least to a certain extend. Always remember that it is the 7-fold prediction system that is used both in natal chart and in Vargas (amsas). • The vargas (amsas) only modify the results shown by the natal chart. • Drishti is not considered in Vargas (amsas). This message is becoming too long and I have already covered the 7- fold system. So I stop here. ================================================================== P.S. : Take an example chart and elaborate on the same. Love, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, You will make a person like me suffer from indigestion. ITs going to take a huge amount of time to understand and assimilate all that u have written. Anyway, based on your earlier post of how the signs are divided into amsas i did a small exercise and it threw up some interesting results in terms of an emerging harmonious pattern. The degrees 0-3.3: 10-13.3: 20-23.3 in all signs belong to chara rasis The degrees 3.3-6.7: 13.3-16.7: 23.3-26.7 in all signs belong to sthira rasis The degrees 6.7-10: 16.7-20: 26.7-30 in all signs belong to dwishbava rasis Isn't that amazing? But u already know that. It was amazing for me. So when u say yuti is important in navamsa one can understand why. The planets share the same energy level / characteristics as the other since they belong to the same " family " of rasi. This also makes it amply clear why planets cannot have graha dristi in divisionals where amsas are just fragments of signs - but then what about rasi dristi that Parasara talks of? IS there a great SAMA principle working in astrology? (This is only a conjecture for u to consider....for instance for Taurus lagna Saturn being such a great yogakaraka gets neutralised by being a badhaka at the same time). I know u are going to have reservations about this but the principle of rasi dristi (according to one viewpoint) is that the high energy levels of chara rasis get neutralised / balanced by the low energy levels of sthira rasis thru rasi dristis and vice versa in navamsa. The dwishbava rasis are more balaced by definition and dont need any further balancing when they aspect each other. So the sum of all this is SAMA??? (Does sama mean equal, or same, or balanced, or what?) The other thing i want to know from u is whether parivartana yoga would work in navamsa if yuti can work? Finally, is the significance of bhavas in navamsa the same as in natal chart...u mentioned about the 1st house being tanu bhava in navamsa as well? Or the two charts should always be read together to derive deeper meanings? Given the multi-layered meanings / dimensions / interpretations of navamsa it appears that it is nothing short of Sanskrit words, .....where madhu kaithana can become madhu keeta and have many more meanings, perhaps? So many interpretations...its mind boggling....but interesting too. Thanks for a good lesson (which i have yet to learn, actually) Love, Vinita , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear all, > Given below is some of my thoughts on 'how to predict with navamsa'. > ================================================================== > How to predict with Navamsa? > ---------------------------- > Navamsa is the 9th Varga. It is 1/9 th of a sign, and that is why > the name Navamsa. > Nava = 9 Amsa = Division. Navamsa = 1 division out of 9 divisions. > Navamsa longitude = R x 9 > > Navamsa prediction is also based on the 7-fold system > Stana (Place) > > Saravali says – " Now I will say the lagna navamsa phala for signs > starting from Aries. With lagna navamsa we should know the color, > shape and lakshana (nature of the native & significance of the amsa). > The same method could be applied to Chandra navamsa and the navamsa > of all other planets " > This sloka indicates that - > 1) Color (based on navamsa sign and navamsa lord) > 2) Shape (Swaroopa and geography) > 3) Nature (character attributes of the native) > 4) significance assigned to the navamsa > Are the basic 4 methods used to extract the stana phala. Let us > discuss the Shape (Swaroopa concept in detail). > This is one of the basic rule to be followed in prediction based on > navamsa. As said earlier, to determine the stana phala for each > navamsa several methods are used. One of them is assigning Swaroopa. > This has 2 variations. > i) Navamsa Swaroopa (assigning imaginary shape to the navamsa) > Saravali says – " The person born in the first navamsa of Aries will > have a face similar to ram, small nose, short arms, rough sound, half > closed eyes, a slim body without handicaps " > Saravali assumes/assigns such imaginary shape to the > individuals born in all navamsas. > ii) Navamsa Swaroopa based on navamsa number > This is another method of assigning navamsa Swaroopa. Here imaginary > shape is assigned to individuals born in different navamsa of each > rasi based on the navamsa number with in that sign. For example, if a > person is born in the first navamsa of any sign, then he would be – > " stingy, not bold enough in taking decisions, sinner, wants to hurt > others " says shadvarga phala prakash. > [iI] Bhava (House) > The house (from natal lagna) in which the navamsa falls. For > example if the amsa of the 2nd lord is in 12th, assets and bank > balance etc can be predicted. Also if we want to speak about expense > then in which items the money would be spend would be indicated by > the sign in which navamsa falls and the lord of it. > [iII] Graha (Planet) > The combination (uti) of planet is considered in navamsa as > well. For example think that Ma is in the 5th navamsa of Aries (which > falls in Leo) and Mo is in the 8th Navamsa of Virgo (which falls in > Leo). Also think that Ju is in Leo. Then there is a Ma-Mo combination > in Leo in navamsa. Normal prediction (considering the mixing of > significance) given for Ma-Mo combination can be given here as well. > But no predictions considering Ju-Ma or Ju-Mo should be given, since > Ju is in sign and others are in navamsa. > [iV] Stana-Graha (Place-planet) > The traditional astrologers use the " Asraya rasi phala > (prediction for placement of planets) " told for planets in natal > chart in navamsa as well. [No. Don't think of navamsa chart. I am > speaking about navamsa super imposed on natal chart and not about > navamsa chart] But there are 2 other cute methods for place-planet > prediction using navamsa. > i) Considering the House lord (House = Sign) > Saravali says " Without considering the lordship of houses, we can not > move even a single step forward in prediction " . Shadvarga > phalaprekash says – " If the navamsa of Su is in the house of Su > itself then, he would be wealthy and live a good life. But he would > like quarrelling with others, taking the wrong methods and approaches > and the like. He will have many diseases as well " . Similarly > prediction for all the other planets are also given. > ii) Navamsaka sign based prediction > Sphujidwaja hora says – " Navamsaka in Aries sign (any planet placed > in navamsa allotted for Aries sign) indicates, land, gold etc if Ma > is strong. Navamsaka in Tarus sign indicates, quadrupeds, women, > wealthy people etc " . For example, in a presena if Su navamsaka is in > Aries, then that sun could indicate gold, if the lagna lord is Su > then the presna itself could be about gold. In which sign that sun > is placed is not important here. See the difference in use of the > these words as well- > Navamsa = 1/9th of a sign > Navamsaka = to which sign that 1/9th part is allotted. (in which sign > that 1/9th part falls). > If Su is in Aries 9 deg, then Su in Aries 3rd Navamsa and the > Navamsaka falls in Gemini. So Navamsa is Aries 3rd Navamsa and > Navamsaka is Gemini. These words are at times used almost in a > similar fashion as well. So take those words as having almost same > meaning, but don't get confused. > While making Place-Planet predictions with Navamsa, remember that the > basic significance o the planets and signs remains the same. The only > extra thing being that it is looked though a new dimension. > Mihira also speaks about the Place-planet based prediction > with navamsa. For example, in Viyoni Janma chapter of Brihat Jataka, > he says – " If the lagnamsaka is strong then the color of that sign > would be the sign of the animal born at that time " Remember that the > word lagnamsaka indicates the sign in which lagnamsa falls. Taking > another example from Varaha hora, let us think of the sloka " Ojarkshe > purushamsakeshu… " . Mihira says " If Lagna, Su, Moon, Ju and there > amsakas falls in male signs then it would be a male birth " . Here > Male/Female variation of sign is considered. So it is a place- planet > prediction. See to the fact that Mihira is speaking about the > Male/Female variation of 8 signs. They are – > • The sign in which lagna is posited. > • The sign in which Su is posited > • The sign in which Mo is posited > • The sign in which Ju is posited > • The sign in which the lagna navamsa falls (Lagna navamsa sign > = Lagnamsaka) > • The sign in which the Su navamsa falls (Su navamsa sign = > Suryamsaka) > • The sign in which the Mo navamsa falls (Mo navamsa sign = > Chandramsaka) > • The sign in which the Ju navamsa falls (Ju navamsa sign = > Gurvamsaka) > I started with Place-Planet prediction given for navamsa and now the > path, seems to turn may be because of some discussions happening in > this forum at this time, so I stop here. > By the way there is a whole chapter (Chapter 17) allotted to navamsa > based place-planet prediction, in Varaha hora. Have a look at it. > [V] Bhava-Graha (House-Planet) > Predictions are given considering the Navamsaka house (starting from > natal lagna) in the horoscope. For example, Mihira says – > " Koujamsesthe Sourina vyadhi yoni " , meaning if the navamsa of Ma > falls in 7th (from natal lagna) then she will have some disease > related to sexual organs " . Brihal prajapatyam says – > Aste jeevamsake tatra bhargavena nireekshite > Ya jata tam vijaneehi yoni manojchakanwitam > Meaning, " if the navamsa of Ju falls in 7th from natal lagna and the > Drishti of Ve falls in 7th then she will have beautiful hip and > sexual organs " > Spot the fact that, since 7th house and planets are considered it is > a House-Planet prediction. > [VI] Stana-Bhava (Place-House) > Since house is always counted from natal lagna this system is > not much important in navamsa based prediction. But we can locate > some other cute uses of this. > Remember that exaltation, debilitation etc is also related to place. > (Stana) Look at this sloka from Prasnamarga – > Daresasya navamsese moodhe neechari bhagake > Papandare papa drishte kalatrantarabhag bhavel > Meaning, if the lord of the sign in which the navamsa of the 7th lord > falls is combusted, debilitated, in enemy sign, between malefics or > aspected (drishti) by malefics then, the native will have more than > one wife. > For example, think that Virgo is Lagna and the navamsa of the > 7th lord Ju Leo. Then if Su (lord of leo) is in Libra, he will have > more than one wife. Here - > Ju = Daresa (7th lord) > 2nd navamsa of Pi = Daresasya navamsa (Thus the Ju Navamsaka is Leo) > Su = Daresasya navamsesa (navamsa lord for Ju) > Notice that, in this sloka, exaltation, debilitation etc (and > thus Place) and 7th house (and thus House) is considered and also > that the prediction is based on Navamsa. But such slokas are rare and > is mostly based on things like exaltation-debilitation (Place), > Kendra-trikona (House) etc. > [VII] Stana-Bhava-Graha (Place-House-Planet) > Look at the Varaha Hora sloka " Vridho MoorkhaH Sooryajarkshamsake va " > Meaning, " if the 7th house is Cp or Aq and if the navamsa of Sa falls > in that sign, then she will get an aged person with not much > education as husband " . For example, if Lagna is Cn and the navamsa of > Sa falls in Cp then her husband would be an aged person. > Notice that here – Cn (Place), 7th house (House) and Sa > (Planet) are considered. Also notice that it is a navamsa based > prediction. > I think this explanation might have cleared the doubt – " how > to predict with navamsa " at least to a certain extend. Always > remember that it is the 7-fold prediction system that is used both in > natal chart and in Vargas (amsas). > • The vargas (amsas) only modify the results shown by the natal > chart. > • Drishti is not considered in Vargas (amsas). > This message is becoming too long and I have already covered the 7- > fold system. So I stop here. > ================================================================== > P.S. : Take an example chart and elaborate on the same. > Love, > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, ==> The degrees 0-3.3: 10-13.3: 20-23.3 in all signs belong to chara rasisThe degrees 3.3-6.7: 13.3-16.7: 23.3-26.7 in all signs belong to sthira rasisThe degrees 6.7-10: 16.7-20: 26.7-30 in all signs belong to dwishbava rasisIsn't that amazing? But u already know that. It was amazing for me. <== It is just natural, yap, and is known to me. Actually not only to me but to many, like Madhu ji and most of the astrologers in Kerala as well. It is because of this only it is said that - 1) Count Navamsa for chara signs form that sign itself 2) Count Navamsa for sthira signs form 9th sign. 3) Count Navamsa for dwiswabahava (ubhaya) signs form 5th sign. ==> So when u say yuti is important in navamsa one can understand why. The planets share the same energy level / characteristics as the other since they belong to the same "family" of rasi. This also makes it amply clear why planets cannot have graha dristi in divisionals where amsas are just fragments of signs <== Yap. You are right. ==> but then what about rasi dristi that Parasara talks of? <== NO! It is mixing of systems! - Which is a worng approach! Rasi drishiti is NOT part of Arsha system. Parasara borrowed much from Jaimini. Rasi Drishti is part of Jaimini system which is entairly different from the ancient arsha system. ==> Taurus lagna Saturn being such a great yogakaraka gets neutralised by being a badhaka at the same time <== Wrong approach. <== The other thing i want to know from u is whether parivartana yoga would work in navamsa if yuti can work? ==> Yap you are right. yes, it can. ==> Finally, is the significance of bhavas in navamsa the same as in natal chart...u mentioned about the 1st house being tanu bhava in navamsa as well? <== No Bhava in Navamsaa. Bhavas (Houses) should be counted always from Natal Lagna, NOT from lagna navamsa. Bhavas exist only in the natal chart. We are corelating the navamsa with the Bhavas that are present in natal chart. ==> Given the multi-layered meanings / dimensions / interpretations of navamsa it appears that it is nothing short of Sanskrit words <== The sanskrit words used are mostly the names of books. All other sanskrit words you can delete, still the meaning would be clear. Love, Sreenadh vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: Dear Shreenadh,You will make a person like me suffer from indigestion. ITs going to take a huge amount of time to understand and assimilate all that u have written.Anyway, based on your earlier post of how the signs are divided into amsas i did a small exercise and it threw up some interesting results in terms of an emerging harmonious pattern.The degrees 0-3.3: 10-13.3: 20-23.3 in all signs belong to chara rasisThe degrees 3.3-6.7: 13.3-16.7: 23.3-26.7 in all signs belong to sthira rasisThe degrees 6.7-10: 16.7-20: 26.7-30 in all signs belong to dwishbava rasisIsn't that amazing? But u already know that. It was amazing for me.So when u say yuti is important in navamsa one can understand why. The planets share the same energy level / characteristics as the other since they belong to the same "family" of rasi.This also makes it amply clear why planets cannot have graha dristi in divisionals where amsas are just fragments of signs - but then what about rasi dristi that Parasara talks of?IS there a great SAMA principle working in astrology? (This is only a conjecture for u to consider....for instance for Taurus lagna Saturn being such a great yogakaraka gets neutralised by being a badhaka at the same time).I know u are going to have reservations about this but the principle of rasi dristi (according to one viewpoint) is that the high energy levels of chara rasis get neutralised / balanced by the low energy levels of sthira rasis thru rasi dristis and vice versa in navamsa. The dwishbava rasis are more balaced by definition and dont need any further balancing when they aspect each other. So the sum of all this is SAMA??? (Does sama mean equal, or same, or balanced, or what?)The other thing i want to know from u is whether parivartana yoga would work in navamsa if yuti can work?Finally, is the significance of bhavas in navamsa the same as in natal chart...u mentioned about the 1st house being tanu bhava in navamsa as well? Or the two charts should always be read together to derive deeper meanings?Given the multi-layered meanings / dimensions / interpretations of navamsa it appears that it is nothing short of Sanskrit words, .....where madhu kaithana can become madhu keeta and have many more meanings, perhaps? So many interpretations...its mind boggling....but interesting too.Thanks for a good lesson (which i have yet to learn, actually)Love,Vinita , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear all,> Given below is some of my thoughts on 'how to predict with navamsa'.> ==================================================================> How to predict with Navamsa?> ----------------------------> Navamsa is the 9th Varga. It is 1/9 th of a sign, and that is why > the name Navamsa. > Nava = 9 Amsa = Division. Navamsa = 1 division out of 9 divisions.> Navamsa longitude = R x 9> > Navamsa prediction is also based on the 7-fold system> Stana (Place)> > Saravali says – "Now I will say the lagna navamsa phala for signs > starting from Aries. With lagna navamsa we should know the color, > shape and lakshana (nature of the native & significance of the amsa). > The same method could be applied to Chandra navamsa and the navamsa > of all other planets"> This sloka indicates that -> 1) Color (based on navamsa sign and navamsa lord)> 2) Shape (Swaroopa and geography)> 3) Nature (character attributes of the native)> 4) significance assigned to the navamsa > Are the basic 4 methods used to extract the stana phala. Let us > discuss the Shape (Swaroopa concept in detail).> This is one of the basic rule to be followed in prediction based on > navamsa. As said earlier, to determine the stana phala for each > navamsa several methods are used. One of them is assigning Swaroopa. > This has 2 variations.> i) Navamsa Swaroopa (assigning imaginary shape to the navamsa)> Saravali says – "The person born in the first navamsa of Aries will > have a face similar to ram, small nose, short arms, rough sound, half > closed eyes, a slim body without handicaps" > Saravali assumes/assigns such imaginary shape to the > individuals born in all navamsas.> ii) Navamsa Swaroopa based on navamsa number > This is another method of assigning navamsa Swaroopa. Here imaginary > shape is assigned to individuals born in different navamsa of each > rasi based on the navamsa number with in that sign. For example, if a > person is born in the first navamsa of any sign, then he would be –> "stingy, not bold enough in taking decisions, sinner, wants to hurt > others" says shadvarga phala prakash.> [iI] Bhava (House)> The house (from natal lagna) in which the navamsa falls. For > example if the amsa of the 2nd lord is in 12th, assets and bank > balance etc can be predicted. Also if we want to speak about expense > then in which items the money would be spend would be indicated by > the sign in which navamsa falls and the lord of it.> [iII] Graha (Planet)> The combination (uti) of planet is considered in navamsa as > well. For example think that Ma is in the 5th navamsa of Aries (which > falls in Leo) and Mo is in the 8th Navamsa of Virgo (which falls in > Leo). Also think that Ju is in Leo. Then there is a Ma-Mo combination > in Leo in navamsa. Normal prediction (considering the mixing of > significance) given for Ma-Mo combination can be given here as well. > But no predictions considering Ju-Ma or Ju-Mo should be given, since > Ju is in sign and others are in navamsa.> [iV] Stana-Graha (Place-planet)> The traditional astrologers use the "Asraya rasi phala > (prediction for placement of planets)" told for planets in natal > chart in navamsa as well. [No. Don't think of navamsa chart. I am > speaking about navamsa super imposed on natal chart and not about > navamsa chart] But there are 2 other cute methods for place-planet > prediction using navamsa.> i) Considering the House lord (House = Sign)> Saravali says "Without considering the lordship of houses, we can not > move even a single step forward in prediction". Shadvarga > phalaprekash says – "If the navamsa of Su is in the house of Su > itself then, he would be wealthy and live a good life. But he would > like quarrelling with others, taking the wrong methods and approaches > and the like. He will have many diseases as well". Similarly > prediction for all the other planets are also given.> ii) Navamsaka sign based prediction> Sphujidwaja hora says – "Navamsaka in Aries sign (any planet placed > in navamsa allotted for Aries sign) indicates, land, gold etc if Ma > is strong. Navamsaka in Tarus sign indicates, quadrupeds, women, > wealthy people etc". For example, in a presena if Su navamsaka is in > Aries, then that sun could indicate gold, if the lagna lord is Su > then the presna itself could be about gold. In which sign that sun > is placed is not important here. See the difference in use of the > these words as well-> Navamsa = 1/9th of a sign> Navamsaka = to which sign that 1/9th part is allotted. (in which sign > that 1/9th part falls). > If Su is in Aries 9 deg, then Su in Aries 3rd Navamsa and the > Navamsaka falls in Gemini. So Navamsa is Aries 3rd Navamsa and > Navamsaka is Gemini. These words are at times used almost in a > similar fashion as well. So take those words as having almost same > meaning, but don't get confused.> While making Place-Planet predictions with Navamsa, remember that the > basic significance o the planets and signs remains the same. The only > extra thing being that it is looked though a new dimension.> Mihira also speaks about the Place-planet based prediction > with navamsa. For example, in Viyoni Janma chapter of Brihat Jataka, > he says – "If the lagnamsaka is strong then the color of that sign > would be the sign of the animal born at that time" Remember that the > word lagnamsaka indicates the sign in which lagnamsa falls. Taking > another example from Varaha hora, let us think of the sloka "Ojarkshe > purushamsakeshu…". Mihira says "If Lagna, Su, Moon, Ju and there > amsakas falls in male signs then it would be a male birth". Here > Male/Female variation of sign is considered. So it is a place-planet > prediction. See to the fact that Mihira is speaking about the > Male/Female variation of 8 signs. They are – > • The sign in which lagna is posited.> • The sign in which Su is posited> • The sign in which Mo is posited> • The sign in which Ju is posited> • The sign in which the lagna navamsa falls (Lagna navamsa sign > = Lagnamsaka)> • The sign in which the Su navamsa falls (Su navamsa sign = > Suryamsaka)> • The sign in which the Mo navamsa falls (Mo navamsa sign = > Chandramsaka)> • The sign in which the Ju navamsa falls (Ju navamsa sign = > Gurvamsaka)> I started with Place-Planet prediction given for navamsa and now the > path, seems to turn may be because of some discussions happening in > this forum at this time, so I stop here. > By the way there is a whole chapter (Chapter 17) allotted to navamsa > based place-planet prediction, in Varaha hora. Have a look at it.> [V] Bhava-Graha (House-Planet)> Predictions are given considering the Navamsaka house (starting from > natal lagna) in the horoscope. For example, Mihira says –> "Koujamsesthe Sourina vyadhi yoni", meaning if the navamsa of Ma > falls in 7th (from natal lagna) then she will have some disease > related to sexual organs". Brihal prajapatyam says –> Aste jeevamsake tatra bhargavena nireekshite> Ya jata tam vijaneehi yoni manojchakanwitam> Meaning, "if the navamsa of Ju falls in 7th from natal lagna and the > Drishti of Ve falls in 7th then she will have beautiful hip and > sexual organs" > Spot the fact that, since 7th house and planets are considered it is > a House-Planet prediction.> [VI] Stana-Bhava (Place-House)> Since house is always counted from natal lagna this system is > not much important in navamsa based prediction. But we can locate > some other cute uses of this. > Remember that exaltation, debilitation etc is also related to place. > (Stana) Look at this sloka from Prasnamarga –> Daresasya navamsese moodhe neechari bhagake > Papandare papa drishte kalatrantarabhag bhavel> Meaning, if the lord of the sign in which the navamsa of the 7th lord > falls is combusted, debilitated, in enemy sign, between malefics or > aspected (drishti) by malefics then, the native will have more than > one wife.> For example, think that Virgo is Lagna and the navamsa of the > 7th lord Ju Leo. Then if Su (lord of leo) is in Libra, he will have > more than one wife. Here -> Ju = Daresa (7th lord)> 2nd navamsa of Pi = Daresasya navamsa (Thus the Ju Navamsaka is Leo)> Su = Daresasya navamsesa (navamsa lord for Ju)> Notice that, in this sloka, exaltation, debilitation etc (and > thus Place) and 7th house (and thus House) is considered and also > that the prediction is based on Navamsa. But such slokas are rare and > is mostly based on things like exaltation-debilitation (Place), > Kendra-trikona (House) etc. > [VII] Stana-Bhava-Graha (Place-House-Planet)> Look at the Varaha Hora sloka "Vridho MoorkhaH Sooryajarkshamsake va" > Meaning, "if the 7th house is Cp or Aq and if the navamsa of Sa falls > in that sign, then she will get an aged person with not much > education as husband". For example, if Lagna is Cn and the navamsa of > Sa falls in Cp then her husband would be an aged person.> Notice that here – Cn (Place), 7th house (House) and Sa > (Planet) are considered. Also notice that it is a navamsa based > prediction. > I think this explanation might have cleared the doubt – "how > to predict with navamsa" at least to a certain extend. Always > remember that it is the 7-fold prediction system that is used both in > natal chart and in Vargas (amsas). > • The vargas (amsas) only modify the results shown by the natal > chart.> • Drishti is not considered in Vargas (amsas).> This message is becoming too long and I have already covered the 7-> fold system. So I stop here.> ==================================================================> P.S. : Take an example chart and elaborate on the same.> Love,> Sreenadh> New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Dear Sreenadh ji Lots of info.I am bit busy until 7th of June.Will study your mail and reply then.We can take some example charts and study them.In the mean time,if learned members have time ,they may take up charts and analyze.It will be a learning exercise for all of us. Lagna having bhagya navamsha etc and 2nd lord having amsha in 12th as you have said are important clues. Pradeep , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear all, > Given below is some of my thoughts on 'how to predict with navamsa'. > ================================================================== > How to predict with Navamsa? > ---------------------------- > Navamsa is the 9th Varga. It is 1/9 th of a sign, and that is why > the name Navamsa. > Nava = 9 Amsa = Division. Navamsa = 1 division out of 9 divisions. > Navamsa longitude = R x 9 > > Navamsa prediction is also based on the 7-fold system > Stana (Place) > > Saravali says – " Now I will say the lagna navamsa phala for signs > starting from Aries. With lagna navamsa we should know the color, > shape and lakshana (nature of the native & significance of the amsa). > The same method could be applied to Chandra navamsa and the navamsa > of all other planets " > This sloka indicates that - > 1) Color (based on navamsa sign and navamsa lord) > 2) Shape (Swaroopa and geography) > 3) Nature (character attributes of the native) > 4) significance assigned to the navamsa > Are the basic 4 methods used to extract the stana phala. Let us > discuss the Shape (Swaroopa concept in detail). > This is one of the basic rule to be followed in prediction based on > navamsa. As said earlier, to determine the stana phala for each > navamsa several methods are used. One of them is assigning Swaroopa. > This has 2 variations. > i) Navamsa Swaroopa (assigning imaginary shape to the navamsa) > Saravali says – " The person born in the first navamsa of Aries will > have a face similar to ram, small nose, short arms, rough sound, half > closed eyes, a slim body without handicaps " > Saravali assumes/assigns such imaginary shape to the > individuals born in all navamsas. > ii) Navamsa Swaroopa based on navamsa number > This is another method of assigning navamsa Swaroopa. Here imaginary > shape is assigned to individuals born in different navamsa of each > rasi based on the navamsa number with in that sign. For example, if a > person is born in the first navamsa of any sign, then he would be – > " stingy, not bold enough in taking decisions, sinner, wants to hurt > others " says shadvarga phala prakash. > [iI] Bhava (House) > The house (from natal lagna) in which the navamsa falls. For > example if the amsa of the 2nd lord is in 12th, assets and bank > balance etc can be predicted. Also if we want to speak about expense > then in which items the money would be spend would be indicated by > the sign in which navamsa falls and the lord of it. > [iII] Graha (Planet) > The combination (uti) of planet is considered in navamsa as > well. For example think that Ma is in the 5th navamsa of Aries (which > falls in Leo) and Mo is in the 8th Navamsa of Virgo (which falls in > Leo). Also think that Ju is in Leo. Then there is a Ma-Mo combination > in Leo in navamsa. Normal prediction (considering the mixing of > significance) given for Ma-Mo combination can be given here as well. > But no predictions considering Ju-Ma or Ju-Mo should be given, since > Ju is in sign and others are in navamsa. > [iV] Stana-Graha (Place-planet) > The traditional astrologers use the " Asraya rasi phala > (prediction for placement of planets) " told for planets in natal > chart in navamsa as well. [No. Don't think of navamsa chart. I am > speaking about navamsa super imposed on natal chart and not about > navamsa chart] But there are 2 other cute methods for place-planet > prediction using navamsa. > i) Considering the House lord (House = Sign) > Saravali says " Without considering the lordship of houses, we can not > move even a single step forward in prediction " . Shadvarga > phalaprekash says – " If the navamsa of Su is in the house of Su > itself then, he would be wealthy and live a good life. But he would > like quarrelling with others, taking the wrong methods and approaches > and the like. He will have many diseases as well " . Similarly > prediction for all the other planets are also given. > ii) Navamsaka sign based prediction > Sphujidwaja hora says – " Navamsaka in Aries sign (any planet placed > in navamsa allotted for Aries sign) indicates, land, gold etc if Ma > is strong. Navamsaka in Tarus sign indicates, quadrupeds, women, > wealthy people etc " . For example, in a presena if Su navamsaka is in > Aries, then that sun could indicate gold, if the lagna lord is Su > then the presna itself could be about gold. In which sign that sun > is placed is not important here. See the difference in use of the > these words as well- > Navamsa = 1/9th of a sign > Navamsaka = to which sign that 1/9th part is allotted. (in which sign > that 1/9th part falls). > If Su is in Aries 9 deg, then Su in Aries 3rd Navamsa and the > Navamsaka falls in Gemini. So Navamsa is Aries 3rd Navamsa and > Navamsaka is Gemini. These words are at times used almost in a > similar fashion as well. So take those words as having almost same > meaning, but don't get confused. > While making Place-Planet predictions with Navamsa, remember that the > basic significance o the planets and signs remains the same. The only > extra thing being that it is looked though a new dimension. > Mihira also speaks about the Place-planet based prediction > with navamsa. For example, in Viyoni Janma chapter of Brihat Jataka, > he says – " If the lagnamsaka is strong then the color of that sign > would be the sign of the animal born at that time " Remember that the > word lagnamsaka indicates the sign in which lagnamsa falls. Taking > another example from Varaha hora, let us think of the sloka " Ojarkshe > purushamsakeshu… " . Mihira says " If Lagna, Su, Moon, Ju and there > amsakas falls in male signs then it would be a male birth " . Here > Male/Female variation of sign is considered. So it is a place-planet > prediction. See to the fact that Mihira is speaking about the > Male/Female variation of 8 signs. They are – > • The sign in which lagna is posited. > • The sign in which Su is posited > • The sign in which Mo is posited > • The sign in which Ju is posited > • The sign in which the lagna navamsa falls (Lagna navamsa sign > = Lagnamsaka) > • The sign in which the Su navamsa falls (Su navamsa sign = > Suryamsaka) > • The sign in which the Mo navamsa falls (Mo navamsa sign = > Chandramsaka) > • The sign in which the Ju navamsa falls (Ju navamsa sign = > Gurvamsaka) > I started with Place-Planet prediction given for navamsa and now the > path, seems to turn may be because of some discussions happening in > this forum at this time, so I stop here. > By the way there is a whole chapter (Chapter 17) allotted to navamsa > based place-planet prediction, in Varaha hora. Have a look at it. > [V] Bhava-Graha (House-Planet) > Predictions are given considering the Navamsaka house (starting from > natal lagna) in the horoscope. For example, Mihira says – > " Koujamsesthe Sourina vyadhi yoni " , meaning if the navamsa of Ma > falls in 7th (from natal lagna) then she will have some disease > related to sexual organs " . Brihal prajapatyam says – > Aste jeevamsake tatra bhargavena nireekshite > Ya jata tam vijaneehi yoni manojchakanwitam > Meaning, " if the navamsa of Ju falls in 7th from natal lagna and the > Drishti of Ve falls in 7th then she will have beautiful hip and > sexual organs " > Spot the fact that, since 7th house and planets are considered it is > a House-Planet prediction. > [VI] Stana-Bhava (Place-House) > Since house is always counted from natal lagna this system is > not much important in navamsa based prediction. But we can locate > some other cute uses of this. > Remember that exaltation, debilitation etc is also related to place. > (Stana) Look at this sloka from Prasnamarga – > Daresasya navamsese moodhe neechari bhagake > Papandare papa drishte kalatrantarabhag bhavel > Meaning, if the lord of the sign in which the navamsa of the 7th lord > falls is combusted, debilitated, in enemy sign, between malefics or > aspected (drishti) by malefics then, the native will have more than > one wife. > For example, think that Virgo is Lagna and the navamsa of the > 7th lord Ju Leo. Then if Su (lord of leo) is in Libra, he will have > more than one wife. Here - > Ju = Daresa (7th lord) > 2nd navamsa of Pi = Daresasya navamsa (Thus the Ju Navamsaka is Leo) > Su = Daresasya navamsesa (navamsa lord for Ju) > Notice that, in this sloka, exaltation, debilitation etc (and > thus Place) and 7th house (and thus House) is considered and also > that the prediction is based on Navamsa. But such slokas are rare and > is mostly based on things like exaltation-debilitation (Place), > Kendra-trikona (House) etc. > [VII] Stana-Bhava-Graha (Place-House-Planet) > Look at the Varaha Hora sloka " Vridho MoorkhaH Sooryajarkshamsake va " > Meaning, " if the 7th house is Cp or Aq and if the navamsa of Sa falls > in that sign, then she will get an aged person with not much > education as husband " . For example, if Lagna is Cn and the navamsa of > Sa falls in Cp then her husband would be an aged person. > Notice that here – Cn (Place), 7th house (House) and Sa > (Planet) are considered. Also notice that it is a navamsa based > prediction. > I think this explanation might have cleared the doubt – " how > to predict with navamsa " at least to a certain extend. Always > remember that it is the 7-fold prediction system that is used both in > natal chart and in Vargas (amsas). > • The vargas (amsas) only modify the results shown by the natal > chart. > • Drishti is not considered in Vargas (amsas). > This message is becoming too long and I have already covered the 7- > fold system. So I stop here. > ================================================================== > P.S. : Take an example chart and elaborate on the same. > Love, > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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