Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Dear Madhuji, I have a different experience so far. Being a Scorpio Lagna person, Mercury never in his antardasas troubled me. I got married during Mercury's Antardasa in LL s Dasa, passed Graduation with good marks during Mercury Antra in Moon's Dasa. You wrote about: -----The 11 L & 11H occupants > -----The 8L & 8H occupants > ------The 12L & 12H occupants > -----The 6L & 6H occupants In my chart I have got 11th, 12th and 6th Lords in their own houses (Mercury in Virgo, Venus in Libra and Mars in Aries) Also I have many good friends who act like my elder brother/sister and helped me in various ways in my life. As I am the eldest son of my parents, I always looked for an elder brother/sister during my childhood and with God's grace, friends at different levels acted like a protecting shield for me. Is there anything related to 11th house on this. Regards, Kannan , VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote: > > Vinita, > For the sake of convenience, I may write FM, MMP etc. Actually I don't consider any planet to be fully benefic or fully malefic. Yes .I consider and rate Jupiter as MMP for Taurus Ascendant ,then my rationale is totally different from that of Mr VK Chaudary's (SA Fame).Prior to that, let me tell you onething, my approach is quite different from others. On my end, I rely on my experience as well as the experience of others, that I get as feed back rather than parroting sanskrit slokas after slokas to substantiate a point. (By this statement, I am not attempting for reductio ad absurdum of the teachings of the Seers). I consider the text books (or Rule books) bequeathed to us by ancient masters as mere " Guides " and not anything more than that.I am also convinced more than in Sanskrit , a privilage of few scholars coming from the upper strata of the society , it is in Tamil, the language of common man, treasure house of Jyotish knowledge is kept (Time has > devoured almost all works in Tamil , with the owners of parachment/palmyra writings, blissfully ignorant of treasure house of knowledge in their possession , which they refuses to part even if it is moth-eaten , with a sizeable population getting converted at a fast pace ; and for whom it has become mandatory to show allegiance/, loyalty to new faith , by denouncing , their own erstwhile culture and tradition . > Now I rank the malignancy of a planet in the following manner. Priority wise > -----The 11 L & 11H occupants > -----The 8L & 8H occupants > ------The 12L & 12H occupants > -----The 6L & 6H occupants --Please do remember the 6H is simultaneously a upachayastana (Improving house) as well as a Dustana (Unfavourable House). 6th is also one of " Arthatrikona " (Trigon, 2-6- 10) . That might be one of the reasons , the sub period of a planet, well placed in 6H ,often leads to improvement in monetary affairs. > > Years back, I too was a great admirer of 11 H & 11Lord. I know ,it is the house of gains without pains, sincere companions, fulfilment of all desires, elder co-born etc.Bychance, I had an opportunity to read a write-up of a great Western astrologer by name RC Smith , in which he was saying from his experience that 11L or 11H occupants are evil.Since RC Smith study was based on Western Astrology that depends on Tropical Zodiac, where there is no Dasha system,I never got an opportunity to test his findings.In 1997, prior to his death, the outstanding Scholar in Jyotish, Sri R Santhanam, based on a thread of BPHS, wrote an article in TOA, captioned " Best and the Worst of 11House . Santhanam, in one of his letter asked me to test this aphorism in as many cases as possible that passes through my hand.From then onwards , I am observing the interesting role played by 11L and 11H occupants.In my studies I note though the intensity of this aphorism vary according to different > Ascendant , in the case if Scorpio Ascendant , this finding, works like a Gospel Truth. Even if Mercury is well placed in an angle / trine, for Scorpio born , invariably it will bring untold sufferings to the native in its Dasha or sub period. I am yet to come across a chart ,with Scorpio rising, the Dasha or Sub period of Mercury has gone without registering some unpleasant event in the life of the native. > Both R C Smith and R Santhanam found 11L & 11H occupants giving disease, debts, litigations, quarells etc, the reason is 11th is 6th counted from 6H of disease, debts, sorrows, quarell . Don't forget 11H is also the house of recovery from disease. .The point is, along with some tangible gains ,the 11L & 11H occupants, invariably bring sorrow, debts, litigation , quarell etc, the exact event depends on the individual nativity. > The rest in next instalment > Madhu N Nair > > VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote: > Vinitha, > For the 1 & 2 nd query I will answer in this mail whereas the 3rd one requires a little bit description and for that I will post a seperate message. > (1)Ofcourse, the nature of the sign counts, but still more importance is the lordship of Mars for Taurus Ascending. Let us remember that MT sign of Mars falls in 12H of loss. The element " Loss " (In relations) is more precipitated , when Mars occupies Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant.I am yet to form a final opinion in this matter, but I have repeatedly seen in my studies , Mars in Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant, leading to estrangement . > (2) Need not necessarily.What we see in actual experience is , when one runs the sub period of Saturn (For Taurus Ascendant) one may get promotion (10th Lordship)in job with transfer(9th lordship) .Parents death coinciding with job securing period. ( !0 is 2nd from 9 & hence a maraka for father and 7 from 4th , hence a maraka for Mother) Sale & purchase of vehicles/ properties etc , simultaneously (9 for purchase , 10 for sale) , overseas journey for employment/training etc the list illustrative. Ofcourse it goes without saying Saturn need to be well placed from the Ascendant to reap beneficial results. > > Madhu N Nair > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > Dear Vyasaji and friends, > > Namaskar! > > Actually i have a whole lot of questions on Taurus Lagna but at the > moment i will confine myself to just the following: > > 1. Do u think that just because of the basic nature of the Scorpio > sign in 7th relationships would suffer (even if Mars is not there)? > > 2. Do u think that because badhak Saturn rules the 9th and 10 houses > there is a struggle involved there as well? > > 3. Do u think Jupiter is the most malefic planet for Taurus Lagna > being lord of 2nd and 11th? > > 4. Do u think that Venus even though it is Lagnesh is not that great > for the Lagna being ruler of 6th? > > 5. Do u think this Lagna has a special affinity to Mercury ruled > Lagnas....going by Vyasa relationships? > > I'll stop here. > > Will be extremely grateful for your responses. > > Regards, > > Vinita > > , VYASAJI > <vyasatvm@> wrote: > > > > Sreenadh & Friends, > > While match making (Compatibility) is done by Keralite > Astrologers, they use to outrightly reject the concept of Kuja or > Chowa Dosha, if Mars occupies 7th Rasi Scorpio, saying it is Mar's > own sign , hence there is no blemish. However, in several charts it > is repeatedly seen, Mars in 7th sign Scorpio leading to seperation > (Legal or otherwise) at some stage of life. > > Madhu N Nair > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Shall we think about Tarus Lagna? What are the things you know > about > > this Lagna? How would be that person? > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Namaste, What your birth data ? I am not sure about occupants of 11 H. Infact I think Parashar says the 11th lord is malefic but I do not beleive he attributes any maleficence to occupants of 11th house. It will depend on their lordships. .... On 6/1/06, kankan_73 <kankan_73 wrote: Dear Madhuji,I have a different experience so far. Being a Scorpio Lagna person, Mercury never in his antardasas troubled me. I got married during Mercury's Antardasa in LL s Dasa, passed Graduation with good marks during Mercury Antra in Moon's Dasa.You wrote about:-----The 11 L & 11H occupants> -----The 8L & 8H occupants> ------The 12L & 12H occupants> -----The 6L & 6H occupants In my chart I have got 11th, 12th and 6th Lords in their own houses(Mercury in Virgo, Venus in Libra and Mars in Aries)Also I have many good friends who act like my elder brother/sister and helped me in various ways in my life. As I am the eldest son of my parents, I always looked for an elder brother/sister during my childhood and with God's grace, friends at different levels acted like a protecting shield for me. Is there anything related to 11th house on this. Regards,Kannan , VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote:>> Vinita,> For the sake of convenience, I may write FM, MMP etc. Actually I don't consider any planet to be fully benefic or fully malefic. Yes .I consider and rate Jupiter as MMP for Taurus Ascendant ,then my rationale is totally different from that of Mr VK Chaudary's (SA Fame).Prior to that, let me tell you onething, my approach is quite different from others. On my end, I rely on my experience as well as the experience of others, that I get as feed back rather than parroting sanskrit slokas after slokas to substantiate a point. (By this statement, I am not attempting for reductio ad absurdum of the teachings of the Seers). I consider the text books (or Rule books) bequeathed to us by ancient masters as mere " Guides " and not anything more than that.I am also convinced more than in Sanskrit , a privilage of few scholars coming from the upper strata of the society , it is in Tamil, the language of common man, treasure house of Jyotish knowledge is kept (Time has> devoured almost all works in Tamil , with the owners of parachment/palmyra writings, blissfully ignorant of treasure house of knowledge in their possession , which they refuses to part even if it is moth-eaten , with a sizeable population getting converted at a fast pace ; and for whom it has become mandatory to show allegiance/, loyalty to new faith , by denouncing , their own erstwhile culture and tradition .> Now I rank the malignancy of a planet in the following manner. Priority wise> -----The 11 L & 11H occupants> -----The 8L & 8H occupants> ------The 12L & 12H occupants > -----The 6L & 6H occupants --Please do remember the 6H is simultaneously a upachayastana (Improving house) as well as a Dustana(Unfavourable House). 6th is also one of " Arthatrikona " (Trigon, 2-6- 10) . That might be one of the reasons , the sub period of a planet, well placed in 6H ,often leads to improvement in monetary affairs.> > Years back, I too was a great admirer of 11 H & 11Lord. I know ,it is the house of gains without pains, sincere companions, fulfilment of all desires, elder co-born etc.Bychance, I had an opportunity to read a write-up of a great Western astrologer by name RC Smith , in which he was saying from his experience that 11L or 11H occupants are evil.Since RC Smith study was based on Western Astrology that depends on Tropical Zodiac, where there is no Dasha system,I never got an opportunity to test his findings.In 1997, prior to his death, the outstanding Scholar in Jyotish, Sri R Santhanam, based on a thread of BPHS, wrote an article in TOA, captioned " Best and the Worst of 11House . Santhanam, in one of his letter asked me to test this aphorism in as many cases as possible that passes through my hand.From then onwards , I am observing the interesting role played by 11L and 11H occupants.In my studies I note though the intensity of this aphorism vary according to different> Ascendant , in the case if Scorpio Ascendant , this finding, works like a Gospel Truth. Even if Mercury is well placed in an angle / trine, for Scorpio born , invariably it will bring untold sufferings to the native in its Dasha or sub period. I am yet to come across a chart ,with Scorpio rising, the Dasha or Sub period of Mercury has gone without registering some unpleasant event in the life of the native.> Both R C Smith and R Santhanam found 11L & 11H occupants giving disease, debts, litigations, quarells etc, the reason is 11th is 6th counted from 6H of disease, debts, sorrows, quarell . Don't forget 11H is also the house of recovery from disease. .The point is, along with some tangible gains ,the 11L & 11H occupants, invariably bring sorrow, debts, litigation , quarell etc, the exact event depends on the individual nativity. > The rest in next instalment> Madhu N Nair > > VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote:> Vinitha,> For the 1 & 2 nd query I will answer in this mail whereas the 3rd one requires a little bit description and for that I will post a seperate message.> (1)Ofcourse, the nature of the sign counts, but still more importance is the lordship of Mars for Taurus Ascending. Let us remember that MT sign of Mars falls in 12H of loss. The element " Loss " (In relations) is more precipitated , when Mars occupies Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant.I am yet to form a final opinion in this matter, but I have repeatedly seen in my studies , Mars in Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant, leading to estrangement .> (2) Need not necessarily.What we see in actual experience is , when one runs the sub period of Saturn (For Taurus Ascendant) one may get promotion (10th Lordship)in job with transfer(9th lordship) .Parents death coinciding with job securing period. ( !0 is 2nd from 9 & hence a maraka for father and 7 from 4th , hence a maraka for Mother) Sale & purchase of vehicles/ properties etc , simultaneously (9 for purchase , 10 for sale) , overseas journey for employment/training etc the list illustrative. Ofcourse it goes without saying Saturn need to be well placed from the Ascendant to reap beneficial results. > > Madhu N Nair > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote:> Dear Vyasaji and friends,> > Namaskar!> > Actually i have a whole lot of questions on Taurus Lagna but at the > moment i will confine myself to just the following:> > 1. Do u think that just because of the basic nature of the Scorpio > sign in 7th relationships would suffer (even if Mars is not there)? > > 2. Do u think that because badhak Saturn rules the 9th and 10 houses > there is a struggle involved there as well?> > 3. Do u think Jupiter is the most malefic planet for Taurus Lagna > being lord of 2nd and 11th?> > 4. Do u think that Venus even though it is Lagnesh is not that great > for the Lagna being ruler of 6th?> > 5. Do u think this Lagna has a special affinity to Mercury ruled > Lagnas....going by Vyasa relationships?> > I'll stop here. > > Will be extremely grateful for your responses.> > Regards,> > Vinita> > , VYASAJI > <vyasatvm@> wrote:> > > > Sreenadh & Friends,> > While match making (Compatibility) is done by Keralite > Astrologers, they use to outrightly reject the concept of Kuja or > Chowa Dosha, if Mars occupies 7th Rasi Scorpio, saying it is Mar's > own sign , hence there is no blemish. However, in several charts it > is repeatedly seen, Mars in 7th sign Scorpio leading to seperation > (Legal or otherwise) at some stage of life. > > Madhu N Nair > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear All,> > Shall we think about Tarus Lagna? What are the things you know > about > > this Lagna? How would be that person? > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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