Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Pradeep ji, Just one question. In which way these psychics can help us in the study of astrology? We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of astrology like "Nadi system" etc itself that works like a pure psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever we could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with. If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of Ayanamsa, then - * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is ascribed to there opinions will vanish once they die. * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a concept against turbulent wind of time So we should better go for the second choice. Love, Sreenadh Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: Dear members, May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic. K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on astro matters. May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in oblivion. If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate steps in seeking their knowledge. Regards,Pradeep - astrologerashutosh Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 Dear Rohini Ji, I truly understand and accept what you said. But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading horoscopes. In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot be done so randomly. It is easier for those who are still in basic learning process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly transits, it is not. It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical and better than the already practised one. I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way of life for me and my only guide and teacher. Regards, Ashutosh - crystal pages Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33 Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 Dear Ashutoshji, I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish! Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that is a make or break in *my* marriage! I am just being very honest and candid! I hope you can understand and accept that Warmest regards, Rohiniranjan , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > Very wise words. I too believe in a sincere marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, one should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. Thanks!! > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > - > crystal pages > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07 > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > Dear Ashutosh ji > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which according > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused and still > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old! > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of an astute > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with that :-P > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just say this: > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even when > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of love, one > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to those > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!! > > RR > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the Ayana, is > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the difference > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) planetary > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by the > government of India. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > crystal pages > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41 > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his ayanamsha > (which he > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star Chitra or > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar > ayanamsha. > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji Maharaj did > not > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated that it > was > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing panchangs > > followed by him). All this has been written with more interesting > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier posts, etc. > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave us, > Lahiri's > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related astronomy is > the > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were based on > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and corrections given > by > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or > thereabouts > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few rare > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, others > were > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. Publishing just > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not do, any > > more! > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri. > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas being > like > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, yours > would > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work for me > > anymore <LOL> > > > > RR > > > > > > , "R Satish" > <rsatish1942@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my > experience > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called Kotipalli,on > the > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt. > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains > Hindu > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential > school. > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to him > about > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and > Lahiri's > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to the > then > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there is a > > > difference of" one pada",between the local panchang.Hence a > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone to > him > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my > case, > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of > Chandra > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference. > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's > > experience. > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of astrology. > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' stalwarts' . > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly and > indirectly > > > with many in person and in the groups like these the most > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. > Ashwattappa, > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, and so > for > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the > difference > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and > MAJORITY > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of him. > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he must > try > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases Rahu > Dasa > > or > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their earlier > part > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra > periods > > that > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til then > end > > of > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can give > at > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT GURU S > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore Maharaja's > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations. > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD > RESULTS > > it > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we want the > > subject > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is > > possible > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left to > ones > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know we > ar > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the > > traditional > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have acknowledged > as > > the > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS. > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear > prashant ji > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from > your > > > three > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the founding > > > members > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs. > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years and > > > sometimes > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, after > your > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am getting > the > > > charts, > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. unfortunately, > these > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge > > prior > > > to > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a > judge > > who > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS > OWN. > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to > deal > > with > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil > > > centric > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ > [ego > > > > quotient] > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang > no > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by > one > > in > > > the > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way > you > > > can > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, > > Tenkasi > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say could not > > agree > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in India > agree? > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets > at > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all others in > chaos. > > no > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable > one > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical principles > at > > > least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here > on > > > > storry telling these are true ones though > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN > LONDON > > > or > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of > Iyangars > > a > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in > them > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple > > > function > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's > > forehaead > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a > middle > > > line > > > > in red] > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally > went > > > to > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can > never > > say > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our > calander > > but > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same > > Moon's > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different holiday > the > > > state > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms > > JJ, > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the > other > > one > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. > > their > > > mud > > > > slinging is of unique depths. > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but > > since > > > > varanasi was key centre for > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied > as > > > par > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang > was > > > used > > > > before lahiri placed his > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while > > > making > > > > chart in ancient times. > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta > and > > not > > > > Varanasi! > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > longitudinally or > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of > journey, if > > I > > > > remember > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or > > Birla > > > > temple and > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i > use > > > raman > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location > was > > > much > > > > near > > > > > > to equator in comparison to > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one > > shows > > > > rahu in > > > > > > 9th . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart > changes > > > and > > > > if i > > > > > > consider true node then too my > > > > > > > chart changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > matching .because > > > > venus and > > > > > > ketu dont give much better > > > > > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun > last > > > time!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, > because > > > ketu > > > > and > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees > apart > > if > > > > using > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into > another > > > > conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are > in > > same > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are > in > > > > different > > > > > > signs :- > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that > brings > > us > > > > against > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa > udhar > > > jaaoon - > > > > - > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react > strongly > > and > > > > comment > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize > > true > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true > > nodes, > > > > isn't > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged > for > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few > sincerely > > > > interested > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some > > would > > > > rather > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not > exists > > > but > > > > only > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you > find > > > venus > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna > > even > > > > being > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which > is > > > lord > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his > > chart. > > > > and that > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are > null. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his > > chart.as > > > > mars in > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that > will > > > surely > > > > make > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my > answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th > mars > > and > > > 7th > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god > > > blessings > > > > even > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got > attracted > > > > towards him > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where > any > > boy > > > > can > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter > in > > 7th > > > > wont > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too > very > > good > > > > one, u > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world > > happening > > > > much > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers > > > > crashing, > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this > combination > > > > often shows > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other > > astrologers > > > can > > > > find > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Pradeep ji, ==> How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? <== They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa as well. ==> I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. <== Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!! Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta speaks about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!! Love, Sreenadh Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: Sree nadh ji, My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down to us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and so on. I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the least. Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by such living greats in our society! May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings were lost with the passage of time. It was some loud thinking on my part. Thank you, Regards, Pradeep - sree nadh Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM Re: Ayanamsa debate Dear Pradeep ji, Just one question. In which way these psychics can help us in the study of astrology? We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of astrology like "Nadi system" etc itself that works like a pure psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever we could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with. If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of Ayanamsa, then - * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is ascribed to there opinions will vanish once they die. * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a concept against turbulent wind of time So we should better go for the second choice. Love, Sreenadh Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: Dear members, May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic. K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on astro matters. May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in oblivion. If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate steps in seeking their knowledge. Regards,Pradeep - astrologerashutosh Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 Dear Rohini Ji, I truly understand and accept what you said. But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading horoscopes. In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot be done so randomly. It is easier for those who are still in basic learning process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly transits, it is not. It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical and better than the already practised one. I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way of life for me and my only guide and teacher. Regards, Ashutosh - crystal pages Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33 Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 Dear Ashutoshji, I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish! Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that is a make or break in *my* marriage! I am just being very honest and candid! I hope you can understand and accept that Warmest regards, Rohiniranjan , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > Very wise words. I too believe in a sincere marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, one should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. Thanks!! > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > - > crystal pages > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07 > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > Dear Ashutosh ji > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which according > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused and still > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old! > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of an astute > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with that :-P > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just say this: > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even when > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of love, one > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to those > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!! > > RR > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the Ayana, is > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the difference > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) planetary > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by the > government of India. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > crystal pages > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41 > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his ayanamsha > (which he > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star Chitra or > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar > ayanamsha. > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji Maharaj did > not > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated that it > was > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing panchangs > > followed by him). All this has been written with more interesting > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier posts, etc. > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave us, > Lahiri's > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related astronomy is > the > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were based on > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and corrections given > by > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or > thereabouts > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few rare > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, others > were > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. Publishing just > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not do, any > > more! > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri. > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas being > like > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, yours > would > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work for me > > anymore <LOL> > > > > RR > > > > > > , "R Satish" > <rsatish1942@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my > experience > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called Kotipalli,on > the > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt. > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains > Hindu > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential > school. > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to him > about > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and > Lahiri's > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to the > then > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there is a > > > difference of" one pada",between the local panchang.Hence a > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone to > him > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my > case, > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of > Chandra > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference. > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's > > experience. > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of astrology. > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' stalwarts' . > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly and > indirectly > > > with many in person and in the groups like these the most > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. > Ashwattappa, > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, and so > for > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the > difference > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and > MAJORITY > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of him. > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he must > try > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases Rahu > Dasa > > or > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their earlier > part > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra > periods > > that > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til then > end > > of > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can give > at > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT GURU S > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore Maharaja's > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations. > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD > RESULTS > > it > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we want the > > subject > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is > > possible > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left to > ones > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know we > ar > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the > > traditional > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have acknowledged > as > > the > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS. > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear > prashant ji > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from > your > > > three > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the founding > > > members > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs. > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years and > > > sometimes > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, after > your > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am getting > the > > > charts, > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. unfortunately, > these > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge > > prior > > > to > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a > judge > > who > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS > OWN. > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to > deal > > with > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil > > > centric > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ > [ego > > > > quotient] > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang > no > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by > one > > in > > > the > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way > you > > > can > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, > > Tenkasi > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say could not > > agree > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in India > agree? > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets > at > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all others in > chaos. > > no > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable > one > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical principles > at > > > least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here > on > > > > storry telling these are true ones though > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN > LONDON > > > or > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of > Iyangars > > a > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in > them > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple > > > function > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's > > forehaead > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a > middle > > > line > > > > in red] > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally > went > > > to > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can > never > > say > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our > calander > > but > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same > > Moon's > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different holiday > the > > > state > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms > > JJ, > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the > other > > one > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. > > their > > > mud > > > > slinging is of unique depths. > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but > > since > > > > varanasi was key centre for > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied > as > > > par > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang > was > > > used > > > > before lahiri placed his > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while > > > making > > > > chart in ancient times. > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta > and > > not > > > > Varanasi! > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > longitudinally or > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of > journey, if > > I > > > > remember > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or > > Birla > > > > temple and > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i > use > > > raman > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location > was > > > much > > > > near > > > > > > to equator in comparison to > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one > > shows > > > > rahu in > > > > > > 9th . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart > changes > > > and > > > > if i > > > > > > consider true node then too my > > > > > > > chart changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > matching .because > > > > venus and > > > > > > ketu dont give much better > > > > > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun > last > > > time!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, > because > > > ketu > > > > and > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees > apart > > if > > > > using > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into > another > > > > conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are > in > > same > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are > in > > > > different > > > > > > signs :- > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that > brings > > us > > > > against > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa > udhar > > > jaaoon - > > > > - > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react > strongly > > and > > > > comment > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize > > true > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true > > nodes, > > > > isn't > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged > for > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few > sincerely > > > > interested > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some > > would > > > > rather > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not > exists > > > but > > > > only > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you > find > > > venus > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna > > even > > > > being > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which > is > > > lord > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his > > chart. > > > > and that > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are > null. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his > > chart.as > > > > mars in > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that > will > > > surely > > > > make > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my > answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th > mars > > and > > > 7th > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god > > > blessings > > > > even > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got > attracted > > > > towards him > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where > any > > boy > > > > can > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter > in > > 7th > > > > wont > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too > very > > good > > > > one, u > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world > > happening > > > > much > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers > > > > crashing, > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this > combination > > > > often shows > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other > > astrologers > > > can > > > > find > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 dear friends in those tiems, astrology was never taken as a tool for predcition. help of astrology has come only in medieval days. during olden days all sages were termed TRI KALA JNANI viz. those who are aware of the past, present and future. all these sages used to see and foretell things with their divya drishti (intuition or clairvoyance). even today most astrologers (including myself) depend heavily on divine intutition and less on a horoscope. having said this, the present day man needs sceitnfic corroboration and substantiation from classics for any thing we predict. hence the job of an astrologer has become more difficult and each astrologer has started learning and relearning the whole subject with a scientific view to equip himself to answer any query from his visitor. with best wishes pandit arjun , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji, > ==> > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? > <== > They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa as well. > ==> > I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. > <== > Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!! > Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta speaks about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!! > Love, > Sreenadh > > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: > Sree nadh ji, > > My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down to us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and so on. > > I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? > > Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the least. > > Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. > > The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by such living greats in our society! > > May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings were lost with the passage of time. > > It was some loud thinking on my part. > > Thank you, > > Regards, > > Pradeep > - > sree nadh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM > Re: Ayanamsa debate > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > Just one question. > In which way these psychics can help us in the study of astrology? > > We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. > Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of astrology like " Nadi system " etc itself that works like a pure psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever we could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with. > > If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of Ayanamsa, then - > * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is ascribed to there opinions > will vanish once they die. > * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a concept against turbulent > wind of time > So we should better go for the second choice. > > Love, > Sreenadh > > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: > Dear members, > > May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic. > > K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on astro matters. > > May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in oblivion. > > If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate steps in seeking their knowledge. > > Regards, > Pradeep > > > - > astrologerashutosh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM > Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > I truly understand and accept what you said. > > But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading horoscopes. > > In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot be done so randomly. > > It is easier for those who are still in basic learning process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly transits, it is not. > > It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical and better than the already practised one. > > I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way of life for me and my only guide and teacher. > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > crystal pages > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33 > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > Dear Ashutoshji, > > I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish! > > Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that is a > make or break in *my* marriage! > > I am just being very honest and candid! > > I hope you can understand and accept that > > Warmest regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " astrologerashutosh " > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > Very wise words. I too believe in a sincere > marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, one > should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. Thanks!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > - > > crystal pages > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07 > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > Dear Ashutosh ji > > > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which > according > > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused and > still > > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old! > > > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of an > astute > > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with that :-P > > > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just say > this: > > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even when > > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of love, > one > > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to > those > > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > --- In , " astrologerashutosh " > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the Ayana, > is > > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the difference > > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) planetary > > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by the > > government of India. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > crystal pages > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41 > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his ayanamsha > > (which he > > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star Chitra > or > > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar > > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar > > ayanamsha. > > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji Maharaj > did > > not > > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated that > it > > was > > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing > panchangs > > > followed by him). All this has been written with more > interesting > > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier posts, > etc. > > > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave us, > > Lahiri's > > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related > astronomy is > > the > > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were based > on > > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and corrections > given > > by > > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or > > thereabouts > > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few rare > > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, > others > > were > > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. Publishing > just > > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not do, > any > > > more! > > > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri. > > > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas > being > > like > > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, yours > > would > > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work for > me > > > anymore <LOL> > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , " R Satish " > > <rsatish1942@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my > > experience > > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called > Kotipalli,on > > the > > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt. > > > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains > > Hindu > > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential > > school. > > > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to > him > > about > > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and > > Lahiri's > > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to > the > > then > > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there > is a > > > > difference of " one pada " ,between the local panchang.Hence a > > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone > to > > him > > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my > > case, > > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of > > Chandra > > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference. > > > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's > > > experience. > > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of > astrology. > > > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' > stalwarts' . > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly and > > indirectly > > > > with many in person and in the groups like these the most > > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. > > Ashwattappa, > > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was > > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, > and so > > for > > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the > > difference > > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and > > MAJORITY > > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of > him. > > > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he > must > > try > > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases > Rahu > > Dasa > > > or > > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their > earlier > > part > > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra > > periods > > > that > > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til > then > > end > > > of > > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can > give > > at > > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT > GURU S > > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore > Maharaja's > > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations. > > > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD > > RESULTS > > > it > > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we want > the > > > subject > > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is > > > possible > > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left > to > > ones > > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know > we > > ar > > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the > > > traditional > > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have > acknowledged > > as > > > the > > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear > > prashant ji > > > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from > > your > > > > three > > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the > founding > > > > members > > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs. > > > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years > and > > > > sometimes > > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, > after > > your > > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am > getting > > the > > > > charts, > > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. > unfortunately, > > these > > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar > G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun > > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in > vouge > > > prior > > > > to > > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a > > judge > > > who > > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. > HIS > > OWN. > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to > > deal > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a > tamil > > > > centric > > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their > EQ > > [ego > > > > > quotient] > > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya > panchang > > no > > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made > by > > one > > > in > > > > the > > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no > way > > you > > > > can > > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, > Srirangam, > > > Tenkasi > > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or > snake > > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say could > not > > > agree > > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in > India > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major > planets > > at > > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all others in > > chaos. > > > no > > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or > verifiable > > one > > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical > principles > > at > > > > least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR > here > > on > > > > > storry telling these are true ones though > > > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS > IN > > LONDON > > > > or > > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of > > Iyangars > > > a > > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups > in > > them > > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a > temple > > > > function > > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's > > > forehaead > > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a > > middle > > > > line > > > > > in red] > > > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and > finally > > went > > > > to > > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can > > never > > > say > > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our > > calander > > > but > > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the > same > > > Moon's > > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different > holiday > > the > > > > state > > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former > CM. Ms > > > JJ, > > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the > > other > > > one > > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other > directly. > > > their > > > > mud > > > > > slinging is of unique depths. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta > but > > > since > > > > > varanasi was key centre for > > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed and > studied > > as > > > > par > > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what > panchang > > was > > > > used > > > > > before lahiri placed his > > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used > while > > > > making > > > > > chart in ancient times. > > > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > Calcutta > > and > > > not > > > > > Varanasi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > > longitudinally or > > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of > > journey, if > > > I > > > > > remember > > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan > or > > > Birla > > > > > temple and > > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if > i > > use > > > > raman > > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his > location > > was > > > > much > > > > > near > > > > > > > to equator in comparison to > > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his > > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and > one > > > shows > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > 9th . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart > > changes > > > > and > > > > > if i > > > > > > > consider true node then too my > > > > > > > > chart changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > > matching .because > > > > > venus and > > > > > > > ketu dont give much better > > > > > > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as > Varun > > last > > > > time!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, > > because > > > > ketu > > > > > and > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 > degrees > > apart > > > if > > > > > using > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into > > another > > > > > conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus > are > > in > > > same > > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two > are > > in > > > > > different > > > > > > > signs :- > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that > > brings > > > us > > > > > against > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- " idhar jaaoon yaa > > udhar > > > > jaaoon - > > > > > - > > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > > jaoon? " as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react > > strongly > > > and > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you > utilize > > > true > > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs > true > > > nodes, > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all > engaged > > for > > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few > > sincerely > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet > some > > > would > > > > > rather > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that do > not > > exists > > > > but > > > > > only > > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle > you > > find > > > > venus > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting > lagna > > > even > > > > > being > > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing > which > > is > > > > lord > > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in > his > > > chart. > > > > > and that > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are > > null. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his > > > chart.as > > > > > mars in > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that > > will > > > > surely > > > > > make > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my > > answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th > > mars > > > and > > > > 7th > > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with > god > > > > blessings > > > > > even > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got > > attracted > > > > > towards him > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age > where > > any > > > boy > > > > > can > > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a > love > > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and > jupiter > > in > > > 7th > > > > > wont > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too > > very > > > good > > > > > one, u > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world > > > happening > > > > > much > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade > towers > > > > > crashing, > > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this > > combination > > > > > often shows > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other > > > astrologers > > > > can > > > > > find > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY > > AND > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 The following is a private mail conversation between me and Pradeep ji. I am posting it here with his permission. Love, Sreenadh Dear Pradeep ji, I assume that your birth took place in Eranakulam, since only that place name is mentioned in your mail. BT: 11:40:30 (Kunda falls in the trine star of Ravati, i.e. Jyeshta. Only Kunda rectification applied assuming that the given BT almost correct) DOB: 13/01/1955 BT: 11:40:30 Place:Ernakulam, Kerala In your chart Lagna sign is stronger since, the Lagna lord is exalted and aspects Lagna with 9th speciall (full) drishti. Therefore, Dasa starting from Lagna star is used. Chandra hari Ayanamsa (True ayanamsa as per Surya sidhanta) and 360 day year length. Pradeep - Natal Chart January 13, 1955 Time: 11:40:30 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 17' 00", 9 N 59' 00" Ernakulam, India Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Pushya Tithi: Krishna Panchami (Ju) (1.93% left) Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) Nakshatra: Uttara Phalguni (Su) (83.82% left) Yoga: Sobhana (Su) (65.91% left) Karana: Taitula (Me) (3.86% left) Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc) Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn) Sunrise: 6:48:10 am Sunset: 6:18:42 pm Janma Ghatis: 12.1806 Ayanamsa: 23-14-01.70 Sidereal Time: 18:43:27 +--------------+ |As Ma | | |Ke | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Md Gk | |JuR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| |Me | |Mo | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Su Ra |Ve |Sa | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ First Job: 16/03/81 : Dasa : Ve->Ma->Ra Ve - 8th (house of livelihood) lord Ma - 2nd (Indicaing income) and 9th (luck) lord. Karaka for 10 th house. Placed in Lagna indicating a relation with Lagna Ra - Planet in 10th house (Job) Marriage : 12/9/81: Dasa : Ve->Ma->Me Ve - 8th (mangalya stana) lord. significator of marriage. Ma - 2nd (own family) lord. 9th (in 9th Ve is posiged) lord. placed in Lagna Me - 7th (marriage) lord. Father's death: 19/9/86 Dasa:Ve->Ju->Ve Ve-Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 9th (death of father). Owns 7th house (maraka stana) from 9th. Placed in 9th (father). Ju - Lord of 2nd house (maraka stana) from 9th (father). Lord of 6th (disease) from 9th (father). Ve - (told earlier) Mother's death : 7/08/85 Dasa: Ve->Ju->Sa Ve - Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 4th (death of mother). Placed in 6th (diseace/sudden death/accident etc) from 4th. Ju - Lord of 7nd house (maraka stana) from 4th (mother). Placed in 2nd house (maraka stana) from 4th (mother) Sa - significator of death. 8th lord from 4th (death of mother) Birth of Son: 12/07/86 Dasa : Ve-Ju-Su Ve - posited in 9th (5th from 5th, indipendantly also indicates child birth). 5th drishti of Ju on Ve. (Proper for child birth) Ju - significator of son. placed in 5th (children) from Lagna. Su - significator of son (says Mihira) Brother's death: 1/9/2001 Dasa: Mo->Ma->Ju Mo - Placed in 6th (accident/sorrow) 3rd (death) lord form 3rd (brother). Ma - significator of brother. 12th (death) lord from 3rd (brother). 7th (maraka stana) lord from 3rd (brother) Ju - 8th lord from 3rd (death of brother). Shifting to new Flat : 9/3/200 Dasa : Su->Ve->Ke Su- planet in 10th, in friends house . (New house or property predicted for placement of planet in friends house - as per Phaladeepika). The depositor of Su is Ju an exalted planet and Lagna lord. Ve - significator of 4th (house) and lexuries. Placed in 9th. Antara of a planet placed in 9th in the dasa of a planet placed in 10th indicates a Rajayoga. Ke - placed in 4th (house, living place, flat). It should give the results of Me (the 4th lord) placed in 11th (gain).i.e. Gain of Flat. ==> The above are just for your info to help find out whether they fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help research. <== I hope that clarifies the issue. P.S. Of course you can test the same with Chitrapaksha Ayanamsa and 365.2524 day year length. But remember to take Dasa from Lagna sputa. Probably that also would fit in with the events. But this does not have any support from sanskrit classics. I don't want to protect any system, let it be Chandrahari or Chitrapaksha. But of course I WILL stand with and appreciate true researches, and would love to be with true and sincere seekers of knowledge. Love, SreenadhPradeep <psd1955 wrote: Dear Sreenadji, Thank you for your kind reply. Which ayanamsa would you recommend? There is a change of antardashas everytime by a year or so when we experiment with different ayanamsas. Ofcourse we can be misled by incorrect birthtime and find fault with the ayanamsa. My birthchart cast in Ernakulam at TOB show bal of Surya dasa as 5y 11 m 13d whereas the computer versions show 5y 0m 7d. (my Dob 13/01/55 @ Ekm, @ 12 naligais and 12 vinaligais after sunrise - approx 1140 hrs I presume). Major events in my life: First job 16/3/81 marriage 12/9/81 father's death 19/9/86 @ 4.30 pm birth of son 12/7/86 @ Chennai 1.40am Mother's death 7/8/1985 brother's death 1/9/2001 @ 1 am Shifting to new flat 9/3/2000 The above are just for your info to help find out whether they fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help research. Thank you very much, Regards,Pradeep - sree nadh Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:43 PM Re: Ayanamsa debate Dear Pradeep ji, ==> How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? <== They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa as well. ==> I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. <== Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!! Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta speaks about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!! Love, Sreenadh Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: Sree nadh ji, My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down to us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and so on. I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the least. Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by such living greats in our society! May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings were lost with the passage of time. It was some loud thinking on my part. Thank you, Regards, Pradeep - sree nadh Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM Re: Ayanamsa debate Dear Pradeep ji, Just one question. In which way these psychics can help us in the study of astrology? We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of astrology like "Nadi system" etc itself that works like a pure psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever we could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with. If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of Ayanamsa, then - * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is ascribed to there opinions will vanish once they die. * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a concept against turbulent wind of time So we should better go for the second choice. Love, Sreenadh Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: Dear members, May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic. K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on astro matters. May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in oblivion. If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate steps in seeking their knowledge. Regards,Pradeep - astrologerashutosh Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 Dear Rohini Ji, I truly understand and accept what you said. But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading horoscopes. In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot be done so randomly. It is easier for those who are still in basic learning process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly transits, it is not. It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical and better than the already practised one. I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way of life for me and my only guide and teacher. Regards, Ashutosh - crystal pages Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33 Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 Dear Ashutoshji, I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish! Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that is a make or break in *my* marriage! I am just being very honest and candid! I hope you can understand and accept that Warmest regards, Rohiniranjan , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > Very wise words. I too believe in a sincere marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, one should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. Thanks!! > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > - > crystal pages > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07 > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > Dear Ashutosh ji > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which according > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused and still > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old! > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of an astute > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with that :-P > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just say this: > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even when > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of love, one > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to those > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!! > > RR > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the Ayana, is > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the difference > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) planetary > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by the > government of India. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > crystal pages > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41 > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his ayanamsha > (which he > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star Chitra or > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar > ayanamsha. > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji Maharaj did > not > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated that it > was > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing panchangs > > followed by him). All this has been written with more interesting > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier posts, etc. > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave us, > Lahiri's > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related astronomy is > the > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were based on > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and corrections given > by > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or > thereabouts > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few rare > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, others > were > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. Publishing just > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not do, any > > more! > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri. > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas being > like > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, yours > would > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work for me > > anymore <LOL> > > > > RR > > > > > > , "R Satish" > <rsatish1942@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my > experience > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called Kotipalli,on > the > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt. > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains > Hindu > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential > school. > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to him > about > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and > Lahiri's > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to the > then > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there is a > > > difference of" one pada",between the local panchang.Hence a > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone to > him > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my > case, > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of > Chandra > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference. > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's > > experience. > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of astrology. > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' stalwarts' . > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly and > indirectly > > > with many in person and in the groups like these the most > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. > Ashwattappa, > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, and so > for > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the > difference > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and > MAJORITY > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of him. > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he must > try > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases Rahu > Dasa > > or > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their earlier > part > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra > periods > > that > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til then > end > > of > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can give > at > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT GURU S > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore Maharaja's > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations. > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD > RESULTS > > it > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we want the > > subject > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is > > possible > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left to > ones > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know we > ar > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the > > traditional > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have acknowledged > as > > the > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS. > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear > prashant ji > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from > your > > > three > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the founding > > > members > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs. > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years and > > > sometimes > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, after > your > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am getting > the > > > charts, > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. unfortunately, > these > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge > > prior > > > to > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a > judge > > who > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS > OWN. > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to > deal > > with > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil > > > centric > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ > [ego > > > > quotient] > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang > no > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by > one > > in > > > the > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way > you > > > can > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, > > Tenkasi > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say could not > > agree > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in India > agree? > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets > at > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all others in > chaos. > > no > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable > one > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical principles > at > > > least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here > on > > > > storry telling these are true ones though > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN > LONDON > > > or > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of > Iyangars > > a > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in > them > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple > > > function > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's > > forehaead > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a > middle > > > line > > > > in red] > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally > went > > > to > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can > never > > say > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our > calander > > but > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same > > Moon's > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different holiday > the > > > state > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms > > JJ, > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the > other > > one > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. > > their > > > mud > > > > slinging is of unique depths. > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but > > since > > > > varanasi was key centre for > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied > as > > > par > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang > was > > > used > > > > before lahiri placed his > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while > > > making > > > > chart in ancient times. > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta > and > > not > > > > Varanasi! > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > longitudinally or > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of > journey, if > > I > > > > remember > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or > > Birla > > > > temple and > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i > use > > > raman > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location > was > > > much > > > > near > > > > > > to equator in comparison to > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one > > shows > > > > rahu in > > > > > > 9th . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart > changes > > > and > > > > if i > > > > > > consider true node then too my > > > > > > > chart changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > matching .because > > > > venus and > > > > > > ketu dont give much better > > > > > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun > last > > > time!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, > because > > > ketu > > > > and > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees > apart > > if > > > > using > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into > another > > > > conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are > in > > same > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are > in > > > > different > > > > > > signs :- > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that > brings > > us > > > > against > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa > udhar > > > jaaoon - > > > > - > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react > strongly > > and > > > > comment > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize > > true > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true > > nodes, > > > > isn't > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged > for > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few > sincerely > > > > interested > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some > > would > > > > rather > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not > exists > > > but > > > > only > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you > find > > > venus > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna > > even > > > > being > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which > is > > > lord > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his > > chart. > > > > and that > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are > null. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his > > chart.as > > > > mars in > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that > will > > > surely > > > > make > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my > answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th > mars > > and > > > 7th > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god > > > blessings > > > > even > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got > attracted > > > > towards him > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where > any > > boy > > > > can > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter > in > > 7th > > > > wont > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too > very > > good > > > > one, u > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world > > happening > > > > much > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers > > > > crashing, > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this > combination > > > > often shows > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other > > astrologers > > > can > > > > find > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Dear Arjun ji, I agree with you. Dear Pradeep ji, In the earlier message I said: > Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta speaks > about the use of Ayanamsa.Now I know there are 2 more texts that speaks about Ayanamsa - Bahaskareeyam Golabadhadikaram and Leghu Vashishatam. So we can get support from at least 3 texts by Rishis - 1) Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) 2) Brhama Sidhanta 3) Leghu Vasisham (Rishi Vasishta) Of couse there are many texts of later origin as well that speaks about the same. Love, Sreenadh panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friendsin those tiems, astrology was never taken as a tool for predcition. help of astrology has come only in medieval days.during olden days all sages were termed TRI KALA JNANI viz. those who are aware of the past, present and future. all these sages used to see and foretell things with their divya drishti (intuition or clairvoyance). even today most astrologers (including myself) depend heavily on divine intutition and less on a horoscope.having said this, the present day man needs sceitnfic corroboration and substantiation from classics for any thing we predict. hence the job of an astrologer has become more difficult and each astrologer has started learning and relearning the whole subject with a scientific view to equip himself to answer any query from his visitor.with best wishespandit arjun , sree nadh <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Pradeep ji,> ==>> How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then?> <==> They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa as well. > ==>> I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically.> <==> Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!!> Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta speaks about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!!> Love,> Sreenadh> > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:> Sree nadh ji,> > My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down to us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and so on.> > I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then?> > Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the least.> > Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically.> > The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by such living greats in our society!> > May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings were lost with the passage of time.> > It was some loud thinking on my part.> > Thank you,> > Regards,> > Pradeep> - > sree nadh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM> Re: Ayanamsa debate> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> Just one question. > In which way these psychics can help us in the study of astrology? > > We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. > Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of astrology like "Nadi system" etc itself that works like a pure psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever we could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with.> > If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of Ayanamsa, then -> * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is ascribed to there opinions > will vanish once they die. > * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a concept against turbulent > wind of time> So we should better go for the second choice. > > Love,> Sreenadh> > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:> Dear members,> > May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic.> > K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on astro matters.> > May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in oblivion.> > If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate steps in seeking their knowledge.> > Regards,> Pradeep> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Dear Pradeep ji, You said: ==> you can add one more event in my life: Bypass surgery on 29th July 1996. <== Bypass surgery : 29/7/1996 Dasa:Su->Ra->Ve Sun : 6th (Surgery) lord. Leo indiactes Heart region says Yavana Hora (But arsha texts say that it indicates belley region). It is with the malific Ra and is aspected by another malific Sa (6th lord from 6th). Ra is an partial planet (Apoorna graha) indicating cuts and wounds. It is in the 5th house (heart) from 6th and Ra indicate a hole in heart. Ra : Placed along with the 6th (Surgery) lord in Sg.It should give the results indicated by Ju (the lord of Sg) and Su. Ju is placed in Karkataka (Heart of Kalapurusha) and in the 5th house (heart) from Lagana. But since it is Ju, sucessful operation. Both Ra and Su are in the 5th house (heart) from 6th. Ve - Placed in 8th (pain, and trouble). Placed in 9th. It is aspected by Ju in Karkata (Heart). It is in the 4th house from 6th indicating Chest region. But Ve and Ju seems to have played the role of benefic, curing the damage done by Su (6th lord) and the malific Ra. Thus Su->Ra->Ve is acceptable for a successful surgery to happen. Hope that all this proves that your chart is correct and also that True Ayanamsa used with 360 day year length and Vimsottari Dasa starting from Lagna holds good for your chart. Love, Sreenadh , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > Thank you so much for your kind reply and analysis. > > Please do post all this on the group for everone's benefit. > > If need be you can add one more event in my life: Bypass surgery on 29th July 1996. > > Thank you ever so much. > > Regards, > Pradeep > - > sree nadh > Pradeep > Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:38 AM > Re: Ayanamsa debate > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > Shall I post your previous mail and my reply on our group? It may benefit many. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, I do admire u for your scientific study of astrology. But when i went thru your private message to Pradeepji i couldn't help thinking how (relatively) easy it is to correlate dates with events when u actually know the events that have taken place. Supposing u had not known about these events, would it have been possible to predict with the same certainty? One is the patterns and rythms in time that make it " conducive " for something to happen. The probabalities, some which can be actualised and some which cannot be actualised. There could be so many permutations and combinations that point towards an event happening. Like the dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha that u have used for " fitting in " the event with the rythm/pattern of time. But do these rythms not occur and recur in our lives and sometimes the same events may not happen? (Neutrinoes zig zagging in space - we cannot be certain of their path of motion) The other is our interpretation of these events. The interpretation has to differ depending on our perception. What " drives " an event (i.e., what dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha)? I leave u with a quote of a person i respect in the field of KP astrology about the interpretation of " drivers " of the rail engine " " Yes perceptions make a big difference. Like example of who is running the train: -engine is running the train. -tracks are running the train. -fuel [diesal or electric] is running the train. -station master controls and runs the train. -engine driver controls the engine and runs the train. -zonal HQ run all the train and control them. -it is rail minister or rail minidtry who control and run the train. -or guard control or runs the train. etc. If you are seeing a horoscope/chart you can see different aspects in different perceptions and with different mind frames. " Inder So probably some " divya driti " is necessary to make sense of the whole thing (perhaps?). Love, Vinita , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > The following is a private mail conversation between me and Pradeep ji. I am posting it here with his permission. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > I assume that your birth took place in Eranakulam, since only that place name is mentioned in your mail. BT: 11:40:30 (Kunda falls in the trine star of Ravati, i.e. Jyeshta. Only Kunda rectification applied assuming that the given BT almost correct) > DOB: 13/01/1955 BT: 11:40:30 Place:Ernakulam, Kerala > In your chart Lagna sign is stronger since, the Lagna lord is exalted and aspects Lagna with 9th speciall (full) drishti. Therefore, Dasa starting from Lagna star is used. > Chandra hari Ayanamsa (True ayanamsa as per Surya sidhanta) and 360 day year length. > Pradeep - Natal Chart > > January 13, 1955 > Time: 11:40:30 am > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 76 E 17' 00 " , 9 N 59' 00 " > Ernakulam, India > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Pushya > Tithi: Krishna Panchami (Ju) (1.93% left) > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) > Nakshatra: Uttara Phalguni (Su) (83.82% left) > Yoga: Sobhana (Su) (65.91% left) > Karana: Taitula (Me) (3.86% left) > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn) > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc) > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn) > > Sunrise: 6:48:10 am > Sunset: 6:18:42 pm > Janma Ghatis: 12.1806 > > Ayanamsa: 23-14-01.70 > Sidereal Time: 18:43:27 > > +--------------+ > |As Ma | | |Ke | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Md Gk | |JuR | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > |Me | |Mo | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Su Ra |Ve |Sa | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > > First Job: 16/03/81 : Dasa : Ve->Ma->Ra > Ve - 8th (house of livelihood) lord > Ma - 2nd (Indicaing income) and 9th (luck) lord. Karaka for 10 th house. Placed in > Lagna indicating a relation with Lagna > Ra - Planet in 10th house (Job) > Marriage : 12/9/81: Dasa : Ve->Ma->Me > Ve - 8th (mangalya stana) lord. significator of marriage. > Ma - 2nd (own family) lord. 9th (in 9th Ve is posiged) lord. placed in Lagna > Me - 7th (marriage) lord. > > Father's death: 19/9/86 Dasa:Ve->Ju->Ve > Ve-Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 9th (death of father). Owns 7th house > (maraka stana) from 9th. Placed in 9th (father). > Ju - Lord of 2nd house (maraka stana) from 9th (father). Lord of 6th (disease) from > 9th (father). > Ve - (told earlier) > Mother's death : 7/08/85 Dasa: Ve->Ju->Sa > > Ve - Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 4th (death of mother). Placed in 6th > (diseace/sudden death/accident etc) from 4th. > Ju - Lord of 7nd house (maraka stana) from 4th (mother). Placed in 2nd house > (maraka stana) from 4th (mother) > Sa - significator of death. 8th lord from 4th (death of mother) > Birth of Son: 12/07/86 Dasa : Ve-Ju-Su > Ve - posited in 9th (5th from 5th, indipendantly also indicates child birth). 5th drishti > of Ju on Ve. (Proper for child birth) > Ju - significator of son. placed in 5th (children) from Lagna. > Su - significator of son (says Mihira) > Brother's death: 1/9/2001 Dasa: Mo->Ma->Ju > Mo - Placed in 6th (accident/sorrow) 3rd (death) lord form 3rd (brother). > Ma - significator of brother. 12th (death) lord from 3rd (brother). 7th (maraka stana) > lord from 3rd (brother) > Ju - 8th lord from 3rd (death of brother). > Shifting to new Flat : 9/3/200 Dasa : Su->Ve->Ke > Su- planet in 10th, in friends house . (New house or property predicted for placement > of planet in friends house - as per Phaladeepika). The depositor of Su is Ju an exalted > planet and Lagna lord. > Ve - significator of 4th (house) and lexuries. Placed in 9th. Antara of a planet placed > in 9th in the dasa of a planet placed in 10th indicates a Rajayoga. > Ke - placed in 4th (house, living place, flat). It should give the results of Me (the 4th lord) placed in 11th (gain).i.e. Gain of Flat. > > ==> > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help research. > <== > I hope that clarifies the issue. > > P.S. Of course you can test the same with Chitrapaksha Ayanamsa and 365.2524 day year length. But remember to take Dasa from Lagna sputa. Probably that also would fit in with the events. But this does not have any support from sanskrit classics. I don't want to protect any system, let it be Chandrahari or Chitrapaksha. But of course I WILL stand with and appreciate true researches, and would love to be with true and sincere seekers of knowledge. > Love, > Sreenadh > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadji, > > Thank you for your kind reply. > > Which ayanamsa would you recommend? > > There is a change of antardashas everytime by a year or so when we experiment with different ayanamsas. > > Ofcourse we can be misled by incorrect birthtime and find fault with the ayanamsa. > > My birthchart cast in Ernakulam at TOB show bal of Surya dasa as 5y 11 m 13d whereas the computer versions show 5y 0m 7d. (my Dob 13/01/55 @ Ekm, @ 12 naligais and 12 vinaligais after sunrise - approx 1140 hrs I presume). > > Major events in my life: > First job 16/3/81 > marriage 12/9/81 > father's death 19/9/86 @ 4.30 pm > birth of son 12/7/86 @ Chennai 1.40am > Mother's death 7/8/1985 > brother's death 1/9/2001 @ 1 am > Shifting to new flat 9/3/2000 > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help research. > > Thank you very much, > > Regards, > Pradeep > > > - > sree nadh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:43 PM > Re: Ayanamsa debate > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > ==> > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? > <== > They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa as well. > ==> > I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. > <== > Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!! > Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta speaks about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!! > Love, > Sreenadh > > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: > Sree nadh ji, > > My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down to us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and so on. > > I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? > > Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the least. > > Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. > > The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by such living greats in our society! > > May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings were lost with the passage of time. > > It was some loud thinking on my part. > > Thank you, > > Regards, > > Pradeep > - > sree nadh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM > Re: Ayanamsa debate > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > Just one question. > In which way these psychics can help us in the study of astrology? > > We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. > Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of astrology like " Nadi system " etc itself that works like a pure psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever we could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with. > > If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of Ayanamsa, then - > * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is ascribed to there opinions > will vanish once they die. > * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a concept against turbulent > wind of time > So we should better go for the second choice. > > Love, > Sreenadh > > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote: > Dear members, > > May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic. > > K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on astro matters. > > May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in oblivion. > > If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate steps in seeking their knowledge. > > Regards, > Pradeep > > > - > astrologerashutosh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM > Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > I truly understand and accept what you said. > > But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading horoscopes. > > In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot be done so randomly. > > It is easier for those who are still in basic learning process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly transits, it is not. > > It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical and better than the already practised one. > > I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way of life for me and my only guide and teacher. > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > crystal pages > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33 > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > Dear Ashutoshji, > > I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish! > > Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that is a > make or break in *my* marriage! > > I am just being very honest and candid! > > I hope you can understand and accept that > > Warmest regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " astrologerashutosh " > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > Very wise words. I too believe in a sincere > marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, one > should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. Thanks!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > - > > crystal pages > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07 > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > Dear Ashutosh ji > > > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which > according > > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused and > still > > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old! > > > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of an > astute > > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with that :-P > > > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just say > this: > > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even when > > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of love, > one > > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to > those > > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > --- In , " astrologerashutosh " > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the Ayana, > is > > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the difference > > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) planetary > > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by the > > government of India. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > crystal pages > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41 > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his ayanamsha > > (which he > > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star Chitra > or > > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar > > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar > > ayanamsha. > > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji Maharaj > did > > not > > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated that > it > > was > > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing > panchangs > > > followed by him). All this has been written with more > interesting > > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier posts, > etc. > > > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave us, > > Lahiri's > > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related > astronomy is > > the > > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were based > on > > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and corrections > given > > by > > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or > > thereabouts > > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few rare > > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, > others > > were > > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. Publishing > just > > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not do, > any > > > more! > > > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri. > > > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas > being > > like > > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, yours > > would > > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work for > me > > > anymore <LOL> > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , " R Satish " > > <rsatish1942@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my > > experience > > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called > Kotipalli,on > > the > > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt. > > > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains > > Hindu > > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential > > school. > > > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to > him > > about > > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and > > Lahiri's > > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to > the > > then > > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there > is a > > > > difference of " one pada " ,between the local panchang.Hence a > > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone > to > > him > > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my > > case, > > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of > > Chandra > > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference. > > > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's > > > experience. > > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of > astrology. > > > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' > stalwarts' . > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly and > > indirectly > > > > with many in person and in the groups like these the most > > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. > > Ashwattappa, > > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was > > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, > and so > > for > > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the > > difference > > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and > > MAJORITY > > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of > him. > > > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he > must > > try > > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases > Rahu > > Dasa > > > or > > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their > earlier > > part > > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra > > periods > > > that > > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til > then > > end > > > of > > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can > give > > at > > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT > GURU S > > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore > Maharaja's > > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations. > > > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD > > RESULTS > > > it > > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we want > the > > > subject > > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is > > > possible > > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left > to > > ones > > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know > we > > ar > > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the > > > traditional > > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have > acknowledged > > as > > > the > > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear > > prashant ji > > > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from > > your > > > > three > > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the > founding > > > > members > > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs. > > > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years > and > > > > sometimes > > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, > after > > your > > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am > getting > > the > > > > charts, > > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. > unfortunately, > > these > > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar > G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun > > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in > vouge > > > prior > > > > to > > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a > > judge > > > who > > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. > HIS > > OWN. > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to > > deal > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a > tamil > > > > centric > > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their > EQ > > [ego > > > > > quotient] > > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya > panchang > > no > > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made > by > > one > > > in > > > > the > > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no > way > > you > > > > can > > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, > Srirangam, > > > Tenkasi > > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or > snake > > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say could > not > > > agree > > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in > India > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major > planets > > at > > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all others in > > chaos. > > > no > > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or > verifiable > > one > > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical > principles > > at > > > > least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR > here > > on > > > > > storry telling these are true ones though > > > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS > IN > > LONDON > > > > or > > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of > > Iyangars > > > a > > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups > in > > them > > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a > temple > > > > function > > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's > > > forehaead > > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a > > middle > > > > line > > > > > in red] > > > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and > finally > > went > > > > to > > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can > > never > > > say > > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our > > calander > > > but > > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the > same > > > Moon's > > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different > holiday > > the > > > > state > > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former > CM. Ms > > > JJ, > > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the > > other > > > one > > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other > directly. > > > their > > > > mud > > > > > slinging is of unique depths. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta > but > > > since > > > > > varanasi was key centre for > > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed and > studied > > as > > > > par > > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what > panchang > > was > > > > used > > > > > before lahiri placed his > > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used > while > > > > making > > > > > chart in ancient times. > > > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > Calcutta > > and > > > not > > > > > Varanasi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > > longitudinally or > > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of > > journey, if > > > I > > > > > remember > > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan > or > > > Birla > > > > > temple and > > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if > i > > use > > > > raman > > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his > location > > was > > > > much > > > > > near > > > > > > > to equator in comparison to > > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his > > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and > one > > > shows > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > 9th . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart > > changes > > > > and > > > > > if i > > > > > > > consider true node then too my > > > > > > > > chart changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > > matching .because > > > > > venus and > > > > > > > ketu dont give much better > > > > > > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as > Varun > > last > > > > time!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, > > because > > > > ketu > > > > > and > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 > degrees > > apart > > > if > > > > > using > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into > > another > > > > > conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus > are > > in > > > same > > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two > are > > in > > > > > different > > > > > > > signs :- > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that > > brings > > > us > > > > > against > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- " idhar jaaoon yaa > > udhar > > > > jaaoon - > > > > > - > > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > > jaoon? " as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react > > strongly > > > and > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you > utilize > > > true > > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs > true > > > nodes, > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all > engaged > > for > > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few > > sincerely > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet > some > > > would > > > > > rather > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that do > not > > exists > > > > but > > > > > only > > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle > you > > find > > > > venus > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting > lagna > > > even > > > > > being > > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing > which > > is > > > > lord > > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in > his > > > chart. > > > > > and that > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are > > null. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his > > > chart.as > > > > > mars in > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that > > will > > > > surely > > > > > make > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my > > answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th > > mars > > > and > > > > 7th > > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with > god > > > > blessings > > > > > even > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got > > attracted > > > > > towards him > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age > where > > any > > > boy > > > > > can > > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a > love > > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and > jupiter > > in > > > 7th > > > > > wont > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too > > very > > > good > > > > > one, u > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world > > > happening > > > > > much > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade > towers > > > > > crashing, > > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this > > combination > > > > > often shows > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other > > > astrologers > > > > can > > > > > find > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY > > AND > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, Your example is good. ==> "Yes perceptions make a big difference.Like example of who is running the train:-engine is running the train.-tracks are running the train.-fuel [diesel or electric] is running the train.-station master controls and runs the train.-engine driver controls the engine and runs the train.-zonal HQ run all the train and control them.-it is rail minister or rail ministry who control and run the train.-or guard control or runs the train. <== But let me give you another example - A clock. A clock works due to many internal mechanisms and we are trying to know time from it which is not at all related to the clock. What we need to know is simply how read time from the clock in the same way as told to us by our elders. As far as astrology is concerned you can replace the word elders with Rishis, clock with horoscope and time with results in previous sentence. Neither the internal mechanisms of the clock nor the intricacies of the patterns of time that we are trying to read from it is not important as far as reading time by looking at a clock is concerned. Let that zigzagging neutrinos there be in there frame in that patterns of time, and clock with its own intricacies in its own frame and the simple reading method for the normal simple astrologer. But alas! Now we don't know even how to read that clock! We should search the books written by those elders and find out how they did it. P.S: It is not good to depend too much on examples. Taking models for reality and then attributing the limitations of the model to reality is one of the mistake that had caused so many confusions is studies of many subjects somebody says. Who? - I don't know. For now let it be me. Note- Thanks for the message. It was really good. Love, Sreenadh vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: Dear Shreenadh,I do admire u for your scientific study of astrology. But when i went thru your private message to Pradeepji i couldn't help thinking how (relatively) easy it is to correlate dates with events when u actually know the events that have taken place. Supposing u had not known about these events, would it have been possible to predict with the same certainty?One is the patterns and rythms in time that make it "conducive" for something to happen. The probabalities, some which can be actualised and some which cannot be actualised. There could be so many permutations and combinations that point towards an event happening. Like the dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha that u have used for "fitting in" the event with the rythm/pattern of time. But do these rythms not occur and recur in our lives and sometimes the same events may not happen? (Neutrinoes zig zagging in space - we cannot be certain of their path of motion)The other is our interpretation of these events. The interpretation has to differ depending on our perception. What "drives" an event (i.e., what dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha)? I leave u with a quote of a person i respect in the field of KP astrology about the interpretation of "drivers" of the rail engine""Yes perceptions make a big difference.Like example of who is running the train:-engine is running the train.-tracks are running the train.-fuel [diesal or electric] is running the train.-station master controls and runs the train.-engine driver controls the engine and runs the train.-zonal HQ run all the train and control them.-it is rail minister or rail minidtry who control and run the train.-or guard control or runs the train.etc.If you are seeing a horoscope/chart you can see different aspects in different perceptions and with different mind frames."InderSo probably some "divya driti" is necessary to make sense of the whole thing (perhaps?).Love,Vinita , sree nadh <sreesog wrote:>> The following is a private mail conversation between me and Pradeep ji. I am posting it here with his permission.> Love,> Sreenadh> > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> I assume that your birth took place in Eranakulam, since only that place name is mentioned in your mail. BT: 11:40:30 (Kunda falls in the trine star of Ravati, i.e. Jyeshta. Only Kunda rectification applied assuming that the given BT almost correct)> DOB: 13/01/1955 BT: 11:40:30 Place:Ernakulam, Kerala> In your chart Lagna sign is stronger since, the Lagna lord is exalted and aspects Lagna with 9th speciall (full) drishti. Therefore, Dasa starting from Lagna star is used. > Chandra hari Ayanamsa (True ayanamsa as per Surya sidhanta) and 360 day year length.> Pradeep - Natal Chart> > January 13, 1955> Time: 11:40:30 am> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 76 E 17' 00", 9 N 59' 00"> Ernakulam, India> Altitude: 0.00 meters> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Pushya> Tithi: Krishna Panchami (Ju) (1.93% left)> Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)> Nakshatra: Uttara Phalguni (Su) (83.82% left)> Yoga: Sobhana (Su) (65.91% left)> Karana: Taitula (Me) (3.86% left)> Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)> Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > Sunrise: 6:48:10 am> Sunset: 6:18:42 pm> Janma Ghatis: 12.1806> > Ayanamsa: 23-14-01.70> Sidereal Time: 18:43:27> > +--------------+> |As Ma | | |Ke |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Md Gk | |JuR |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> |Me | |Mo |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Su Ra |Ve |Sa | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +--------------+> > > First Job: 16/03/81 : Dasa : Ve->Ma->Ra > Ve - 8th (house of livelihood) lord > Ma - 2nd (Indicaing income) and 9th (luck) lord. Karaka for 10 th house. Placed in > Lagna indicating a relation with Lagna> Ra - Planet in 10th house (Job)> Marriage : 12/9/81: Dasa : Ve->Ma->Me> Ve - 8th (mangalya stana) lord. significator of marriage. > Ma - 2nd (own family) lord. 9th (in 9th Ve is posiged) lord. placed in Lagna> Me - 7th (marriage) lord.> > Father's death: 19/9/86 Dasa:Ve->Ju->Ve> Ve-Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 9th (death of father). Owns 7th house > (maraka stana) from 9th. Placed in 9th (father). > Ju - Lord of 2nd house (maraka stana) from 9th (father). Lord of 6th (disease) from > 9th (father). > Ve - (told earlier)> Mother's death : 7/08/85 Dasa: Ve->Ju->Sa> > Ve - Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 4th (death of mother). Placed in 6th > (diseace/sudden death/accident etc) from 4th.> Ju - Lord of 7nd house (maraka stana) from 4th (mother). Placed in 2nd house > (maraka stana) from 4th (mother)> Sa - significator of death. 8th lord from 4th (death of mother)> Birth of Son: 12/07/86 Dasa : Ve-Ju-Su> Ve - posited in 9th (5th from 5th, indipendantly also indicates child birth). 5th drishti > of Ju on Ve. (Proper for child birth)> Ju - significator of son. placed in 5th (children) from Lagna. > Su - significator of son (says Mihira)> Brother's death: 1/9/2001 Dasa: Mo->Ma->Ju> Mo - Placed in 6th (accident/sorrow) 3rd (death) lord form 3rd (brother).> Ma - significator of brother. 12th (death) lord from 3rd (brother). 7th (maraka stana) > lord from 3rd (brother)> Ju - 8th lord from 3rd (death of brother). > Shifting to new Flat : 9/3/200 Dasa : Su->Ve->Ke> Su- planet in 10th, in friends house . (New house or property predicted for placement > of planet in friends house - as per Phaladeepika). The depositor of Su is Ju an exalted > planet and Lagna lord.> Ve - significator of 4th (house) and lexuries. Placed in 9th. Antara of a planet placed > in 9th in the dasa of a planet placed in 10th indicates a Rajayoga.> Ke - placed in 4th (house, living place, flat). It should give the results of Me (the 4th lord) placed in 11th (gain).i.e. Gain of Flat.> > ==> > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help research.> <==> I hope that clarifies the issue. > > P.S. Of course you can test the same with Chitrapaksha Ayanamsa and 365.2524 day year length. But remember to take Dasa from Lagna sputa. Probably that also would fit in with the events. But this does not have any support from sanskrit classics. I don't want to protect any system, let it be Chandrahari or Chitrapaksha. But of course I WILL stand with and appreciate true researches, and would love to be with true and sincere seekers of knowledge.> Love,> Sreenadh> Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:> > Dear Sreenadji,> > Thank you for your kind reply.> > Which ayanamsa would you recommend?> > There is a change of antardashas everytime by a year or so when we experiment with different ayanamsas. > > Ofcourse we can be misled by incorrect birthtime and find fault with the ayanamsa.> > My birthchart cast in Ernakulam at TOB show bal of Surya dasa as 5y 11 m 13d whereas the computer versions show 5y 0m 7d. (my Dob 13/01/55 @ Ekm, @ 12 naligais and 12 vinaligais after sunrise - approx 1140 hrs I presume).> > Major events in my life:> First job 16/3/81> marriage 12/9/81> father's death 19/9/86 @ 4.30 pm> birth of son 12/7/86 @ Chennai 1.40am> Mother's death 7/8/1985> brother's death 1/9/2001 @ 1 am> Shifting to new flat 9/3/2000> > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help research.> > Thank you very much,> > Regards,> Pradeep> > > - > sree nadh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:43 PM> Re: Ayanamsa debate> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> ==>> How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then?> <==> They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa as well. > ==>> I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically.> <==> Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!!> Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta speaks about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!!> Love,> Sreenadh> > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:> Sree nadh ji,> > My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down to us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and so on.> > I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then?> > Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the least.> > Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically.> > The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by such living greats in our society!> > May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings were lost with the passage of time.> > It was some loud thinking on my part.> > Thank you,> > Regards,> > Pradeep> - > sree nadh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM> Re: Ayanamsa debate> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> Just one question. > In which way these psychics can help us in the study of astrology? > > We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. > Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of astrology like "Nadi system" etc itself that works like a pure psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever we could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with.> > If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of Ayanamsa, then -> * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is ascribed to there opinions > will vanish once they die. > * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a concept against turbulent > wind of time> So we should better go for the second choice. > > Love,> Sreenadh> > Pradeep <psd1955 wrote:> Dear members,> > May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic.> > K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on astro matters.> > May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in oblivion.> > If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate steps in seeking their knowledge.> > Regards,> Pradeep> > > - > astrologerashutosh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM> Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > Dear Rohini Ji,> > I truly understand and accept what you said.> > But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading horoscopes.> > In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot be done so randomly. > > It is easier for those who are still in basic learning process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly transits, it is not. > > It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical and better than the already practised one. > > I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way of life for me and my only guide and teacher. > > Regards,> > Ashutosh> > > > > - > crystal pages > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33> Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > Dear Ashutoshji,> > I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish!> > Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that is a > make or break in *my* marriage!> > I am just being very honest and candid!> > I hope you can understand and accept that> > Warmest regards,> > Rohiniranjan> > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:> >> > Dear Rohini Ji,> > > > Very wise words. I too believe in a sincere > marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, one > should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. Thanks!! > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Ashutosh> > > > > > - > > crystal pages > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07> > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > Dear Ashutosh ji> > > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which > according > > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused and > still > > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old!> > > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of an > astute > > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with that :-P> > > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just say > this: > > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even when > > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of love, > one > > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to > those > > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!!> > > > RR> > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Rohini Ji,> > > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the Ayana, > is > > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the difference > > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) planetary > > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by the > > government of India. > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Ashutosh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > crystal pages > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41> > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji,> > > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his ayanamsha > > (which he > > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star Chitra > or > > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar > > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar > > ayanamsha. > > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji Maharaj > did > > not > > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated that > it > > was > > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing > panchangs > > > followed by him). All this has been written with more > interesting > > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier posts, > etc.> > > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave us, > > Lahiri's > > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related > astronomy is > > the > > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were based > on > > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and corrections > given > > by > > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or > > thereabouts > > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few rare > > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, > others > > were > > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. Publishing > just > > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not do, > any > > > more! > > > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri.> > > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas > being > > like > > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, yours > > would > > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work for > me > > > anymore <LOL>> > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > , "R Satish" > > <rsatish1942@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my > > experience > > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called > Kotipalli,on > > the > > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt.> > > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains > > Hindu > > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential > > school.> > > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to > him > > about > > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and > > Lahiri's > > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to > the > > then > > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there > is a > > > > difference of" one pada",between the local panchang.Hence a > > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone > to > > him > > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my > > case, > > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of > > Chandra > > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference.> > > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's > > > experience.> > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of > astrology.> > > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' > stalwarts' .> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji,> > > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly and > > indirectly > > > > with many in person and in the groups like these the most > > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. > > Ashwattappa, > > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was > > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, > and so > > for > > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the > > difference > > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and > > MAJORITY > > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of > him.> > > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he > must > > try > > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases > Rahu > > Dasa > > > or > > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their > earlier > > part > > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra > > periods > > > that > > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til > then > > end > > > of > > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can > give > > at > > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT > GURU S > > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore > Maharaja's > > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations.> > > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD > > RESULTS > > > it > > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we want > the > > > subject > > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is > > > possible > > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left > to > > ones > > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know > we > > ar > > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the > > > traditional > > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have > acknowledged > > as > > > the > > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear > > prashant ji> > > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from > > your > > > > three > > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the > founding > > > > members > > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs.> > > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years > and > > > > sometimes > > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, > after > > your > > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am > getting > > the > > > > charts, > > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. > unfortunately, > > these > > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart.> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar > G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Tarun> > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in > vouge > > > prior > > > > to > > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a > > judge > > > who > > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. > HIS > > OWN.> > > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to > > deal > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a > tamil > > > > centric > > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their > EQ > > [ego > > > > > quotient] > > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya > panchang > > no > > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made > by > > one > > > in > > > > the > > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no > way > > you > > > > can > > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, > Srirangam, > > > Tenkasi > > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or > snake > > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say could > not > > > agree > > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in > India > > agree?> > > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major > planets > > at > > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all others in > > chaos. > > > no > > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or > verifiable > > one > > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical > principles > > at > > > > least.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR > here > > on > > > > > storry telling these are true ones though> > > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS > IN > > LONDON > > > > or > > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of > > Iyangars > > > a > > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups > in > > them > > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a > temple > > > > function > > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's > > > forehaead > > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark> > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a > > middle > > > > line > > > > > in red]> > > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and > finally > > went > > > > to > > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can > > never > > > say > > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our > > calander > > > but > > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the > same > > > Moon's > > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different > holiday > > the > > > > state > > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only.> > > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former > CM. Ms > > > JJ, > > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the > > other > > > one > > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other > directly. > > > their > > > > mud > > > > > slinging is of unique depths.> > > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta > but > > > since > > > > > varanasi was key centre for> > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed and > studied > > as > > > > par > > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know)> > > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what > panchang > > was > > > > used > > > > > before lahiri placed his> > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used > while > > > > making > > > > > chart in ancient times.> > > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun> > > > > > www.thevinayak.com> > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > Calcutta > > and > > > not > > > > > Varanasi!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > > longitudinally or > > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of > > journey, if > > > I > > > > > remember > > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan > or > > > Birla > > > > > temple and > > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear RR ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if > i > > use > > > > raman > > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months.> > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his > location > > was > > > > much > > > > > near > > > > > > > to equator in comparison to> > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his > > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > > the diff is easily expected.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983> > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am> > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and > one > > > shows > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > 9th ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart > > changes > > > > and > > > > > if i > > > > > > > consider true node then too my> > > > > > > > chart changes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > > matching .because > > > > > venus and > > > > > > > ketu dont give much better> > > > > > > > results as she is descibing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji,> > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as > Varun > > last > > > > time!>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, > > because > > > > ketu > > > > > and > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 > degrees > > apart > > > if > > > > > using > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into > > another > > > > > conundrum!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus > are > > in > > > same > > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > > house (9th)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two > are > > in > > > > > different > > > > > > > signs :-> > > > > > > > > )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that > > brings > > > us > > > > > against > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa > > udhar > > > > jaaoon -> > > > > - > > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react > > strongly > > > and > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you > utilize > > > true > > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs > true > > > nodes, > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all > engaged > > for > > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few > > sincerely > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet > some > > > would > > > > > rather > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that do > not > > exists > > > > but > > > > > only > > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hii ???> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle > you > > find > > > > venus > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > combination in his chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting > lagna > > > even > > > > > being > > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > > 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing > which > > is > > > > lord > > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in > his > > > chart. > > > > > and that > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but> > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are > > null.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his > > > chart.as > > > > > mars in > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do> > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that > > will > > > > surely > > > > > make > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my > > answers> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th > > mars > > > and > > > > 7th > > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > > per lal kitab.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981> > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08> > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with > god > > > > blessings > > > > > even > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got > > attracted > > > > > towards him > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age > where > > any > > > boy > > > > > can > > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > gf.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a > love > > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and > jupiter > > in > > > 7th > > > > > wont > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too > > very > > > good > > > > > one, u > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world > > > happening > > > > > much > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade > towers > > > > > crashing, > > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hii,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this > > combination > > > > > often shows > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > described things.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other > > > astrologers > > > > can > > > > > find > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye> > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY > > AND > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, I agree that reading the time from the clock is what astrology is all about. But how is it that people using different ayanamsas can also read the same clock fairly accurately sometimes? If there is only one correct ayanamsa how do you explain accurate predictions using other ayanamsas? U have written: Now we don't know even how to read that clock! We should search the books written by those elders and find out how they did it. Now how many elders are there? And how many books / palm leaves are there? Each says something different from the other. Which elder to listern to? It is for this reason i would tend to lean towards what Pradeepji was saying about " Divya Dristi " which the sages had. Astrology, perhaps cannot be learnt entirely from books! :) Love, Vinita , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > Your example is good. > ==> > " Yes perceptions make a big difference. > Like example of who is running the train: > -engine is running the train. > -tracks are running the train. > -fuel [diesel or electric] is running the train. > -station master controls and runs the train. > -engine driver controls the engine and runs the train. > -zonal HQ run all the train and control them. > -it is rail minister or rail ministry who control and run the train. > -or guard control or runs the train. > <== > But let me give you another example - A clock. > A clock works due to many internal mechanisms and we are trying to know time from it which is not at all related to the clock. What we need to know is simply how read time from the clock in the same way as told to us by our elders. As far as astrology is concerned you can replace the word elders with Rishis, clock with horoscope and time with results in previous sentence. Neither the internal mechanisms of the clock nor the intricacies of the patterns of time that we are trying to read from it is not important as far as reading time by looking at a clock is concerned. > > Let that zigzagging neutrinos there be in there frame in that patterns of time, and clock with its own intricacies in its own frame and the simple reading method for the normal simple astrologer. But alas! Now we don't know even how to read that clock! We should search the books written by those elders and find out how they did it. > > P.S: It is not good to depend too much on examples. Taking models for reality and then attributing the limitations of the model to reality is one of the mistake that had caused so many confusions is studies of many subjects somebody says. Who? - I don't know. For now let it be me. > > Note- Thanks for the message. It was really good. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > Dear Shreenadh, > > I do admire u for your scientific study of astrology. But when i > went thru your private message to Pradeepji i couldn't help thinking > how (relatively) easy it is to correlate dates with events when u > actually know the events that have taken place. Supposing u had not > known about these events, would it have been possible to predict > with the same certainty? > > One is the patterns and rythms in time that make it " conducive " for > something to happen. The probabalities, some which can be actualised > and some which cannot be actualised. There could be so many > permutations and combinations that point towards an event happening. > Like the dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha that u have used > for " fitting in " the event with the rythm/pattern of time. But do > these rythms not occur and recur in our lives and sometimes the same > events may not happen? (Neutrinoes zig zagging in space - we cannot > be certain of their path of motion) > > The other is our interpretation of these events. The interpretation > has to differ depending on our perception. What " drives " an event > (i.e., what dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha)? I leave u with a > quote of a person i respect in the field of KP astrology about the > interpretation of " drivers " of the rail engine " > > " Yes perceptions make a big difference. > Like example of who is running the train: > -engine is running the train. > -tracks are running the train. > -fuel [diesal or electric] is running the train. > -station master controls and runs the train. > -engine driver controls the engine and runs the train. > -zonal HQ run all the train and control them. > -it is rail minister or rail minidtry who control and run the train. > -or guard control or runs the train. > etc. > If you are seeing a horoscope/chart you can see different aspects in > different perceptions and with different mind frames. " > Inder > > So probably some " divya driti " is necessary to make sense of the > whole thing (perhaps?). > > Love, > Vinita > > > , sree nadh > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > The following is a private mail conversation between me and > Pradeep ji. I am posting it here with his permission. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > I assume that your birth took place in Eranakulam, since only > that place name is mentioned in your mail. BT: 11:40:30 (Kunda falls > in the trine star of Ravati, i.e. Jyeshta. Only Kunda rectification > applied assuming that the given BT almost correct) > > DOB: 13/01/1955 BT: 11:40:30 Place:Ernakulam, Kerala > > In your chart Lagna sign is stronger since, the Lagna lord is > exalted and aspects Lagna with 9th speciall (full) drishti. > Therefore, Dasa starting from Lagna star is used. > > Chandra hari Ayanamsa (True ayanamsa as per Surya sidhanta) and > 360 day year length. > > Pradeep - Natal Chart > > > > January 13, 1955 > > Time: 11:40:30 am > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 76 E 17' 00 " , 9 N 59' 00 " > > Ernakulam, India > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Pushya > > Tithi: Krishna Panchami (Ju) (1.93% left) > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) > > Nakshatra: Uttara Phalguni (Su) (83.82% left) > > Yoga: Sobhana (Su) (65.91% left) > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (3.86% left) > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn) > > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc) > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn) > > > > Sunrise: 6:48:10 am > > Sunset: 6:18:42 pm > > Janma Ghatis: 12.1806 > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-14-01.70 > > Sidereal Time: 18:43:27 > > > > +--------------+ > > |As Ma | | |Ke | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Md Gk | |JuR | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > > |Me | |Mo | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Su Ra |Ve |Sa | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > +--------------+ > > > > > > First Job: 16/03/81 : Dasa : Ve->Ma->Ra > > Ve - 8th (house of livelihood) lord > > Ma - 2nd (Indicaing income) and 9th (luck) lord. Karaka for > 10 th house. Placed in > > Lagna indicating a relation with Lagna > > Ra - Planet in 10th house (Job) > > Marriage : 12/9/81: Dasa : Ve->Ma->Me > > Ve - 8th (mangalya stana) lord. significator of marriage. > > Ma - 2nd (own family) lord. 9th (in 9th Ve is posiged) lord. > placed in Lagna > > Me - 7th (marriage) lord. > > > > Father's death: 19/9/86 Dasa:Ve->Ju->Ve > > Ve-Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 9th (death of > father). Owns 7th house > > (maraka stana) from 9th. Placed in 9th (father). > > Ju - Lord of 2nd house (maraka stana) from 9th (father). Lord > of 6th (disease) from > > 9th (father). > > Ve - (told earlier) > > Mother's death : 7/08/85 Dasa: Ve->Ju->Sa > > > > Ve - Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 4th (death of > mother). Placed in 6th > > (diseace/sudden death/accident etc) from 4th. > > Ju - Lord of 7nd house (maraka stana) from 4th (mother). > Placed in 2nd house > > (maraka stana) from 4th (mother) > > Sa - significator of death. 8th lord from 4th (death of mother) > > Birth of Son: 12/07/86 Dasa : Ve-Ju-Su > > Ve - posited in 9th (5th from 5th, indipendantly also > indicates child birth). 5th drishti > > of Ju on Ve. (Proper for child birth) > > Ju - significator of son. placed in 5th (children) from > Lagna. > > Su - significator of son (says Mihira) > > Brother's death: 1/9/2001 Dasa: Mo->Ma->Ju > > Mo - Placed in 6th (accident/sorrow) 3rd (death) lord form 3rd > (brother). > > Ma - significator of brother. 12th (death) lord from 3rd > (brother). 7th (maraka stana) > > lord from 3rd (brother) > > Ju - 8th lord from 3rd (death of brother). > > Shifting to new Flat : 9/3/200 Dasa : Su->Ve->Ke > > Su- planet in 10th, in friends house . (New house or property > predicted for placement > > of planet in friends house - as per Phaladeepika). The > depositor of Su is Ju an exalted > > planet and Lagna lord. > > Ve - significator of 4th (house) and lexuries. Placed in 9th. > Antara of a planet placed > > in 9th in the dasa of a planet placed in 10th indicates a > Rajayoga. > > Ke - placed in 4th (house, living place, flat). It should give > the results of Me (the 4th lord) placed in 11th (gain).i.e. Gain of > Flat. > > > > ==> > > > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they > fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help > research. > > <== > > I hope that clarifies the issue. > > > > P.S. Of course you can test the same with Chitrapaksha Ayanamsa > and 365.2524 day year length. But remember to take Dasa from Lagna > sputa. Probably that also would fit in with the events. But this > does not have any support from sanskrit classics. I don't want to > protect any system, let it be Chandrahari or Chitrapaksha. But of > course I WILL stand with and appreciate true researches, and would > love to be with true and sincere seekers of knowledge. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadji, > > > > Thank you for your kind reply. > > > > Which ayanamsa would you recommend? > > > > There is a change of antardashas everytime by a year or so when > we experiment with different ayanamsas. > > > > Ofcourse we can be misled by incorrect birthtime and find fault > with the ayanamsa. > > > > My birthchart cast in Ernakulam at TOB show bal of Surya dasa as > 5y 11 m 13d whereas the computer versions show 5y 0m 7d. (my Dob > 13/01/55 @ Ekm, @ 12 naligais and 12 vinaligais after sunrise - > approx 1140 hrs I presume). > > > > Major events in my life: > > First job 16/3/81 > > marriage 12/9/81 > > father's death 19/9/86 @ 4.30 pm > > birth of son 12/7/86 @ Chennai 1.40am > > Mother's death 7/8/1985 > > brother's death 1/9/2001 @ 1 am > > Shifting to new flat 9/3/2000 > > > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they > fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help > research. > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > Regards, > > Pradeep > > > > > > - > > sree nadh > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:43 PM > > Re: Ayanamsa debate > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > ==> > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? > > <== > > They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the > ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true > research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa > as well. > > ==> > > I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa > mathematically. > > <== > > Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts > depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position > and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!! > > Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta speaks > about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!! > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote: > > Sree nadh ji, > > > > My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down to > us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and > so on. > > > > I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have > been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today > like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. > > > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? > > > > Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the least. > > > > Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of > the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a > futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. > > > > The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such > problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by > such living greats in our society! > > > > May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do > today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings > were lost with the passage of time. > > > > It was some loud thinking on my part. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Regards, > > > > Pradeep > > - > > sree nadh > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM > > Re: Ayanamsa debate > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > Just one question. > > In which way these psychics can help us in the study of > astrology? > > > > We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. > > Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective > study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of > astrology like " Nadi system " etc itself that works like a pure > psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the > like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever we > could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can > teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with. > > > > If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of > Ayanamsa, then - > > * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is > ascribed to there opinions > > will vanish once they die. > > * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a > concept against turbulent > > wind of time > > So we should better go for the second choice. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote: > > Dear members, > > > > May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri > Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times > of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His > daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic. > > > > K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on > astro matters. > > > > May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in > oblivion. > > > > If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate > steps in seeking their knowledge. > > > > Regards, > > Pradeep > > > > > > - > > astrologerashutosh > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM > > Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > I truly understand and accept what you said. > > > > But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many > factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary > positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has > developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading > horoscopes. > > > > In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu > calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality > analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot > be done so randomly. > > > > It is easier for those who are still in basic learning > process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly > transits, it is not. > > > > It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid > orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical > and better than the already practised one. > > > > I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way > of life for me and my only guide and teacher. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > crystal pages > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33 > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > Dear Ashutoshji, > > > > I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish! > > > > Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that > is a > > make or break in *my* marriage! > > > > I am just being very honest and candid! > > > > I hope you can understand and accept that > > > > Warmest regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " astrologerashutosh " > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > Very wise words. I too believe in a > sincere > > marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, > one > > should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > - > > > crystal pages > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07 > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashutosh ji > > > > > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which > > according > > > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused > and > > still > > > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old! > > > > > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of > an > > astute > > > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with > that :-P > > > > > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just > say > > this: > > > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even > when > > > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of > love, > > one > > > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to > > those > > > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " astrologerashutosh " > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the > Ayana, > > is > > > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the > difference > > > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) > planetary > > > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > > > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by > the > > > government of India. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > crystal pages > > > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41 > > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his > ayanamsha > > > (which he > > > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star > Chitra > > or > > > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. > Similar > > > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar > > > ayanamsha. > > > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji > Maharaj > > did > > > not > > > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated > that > > it > > > was > > > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing > > panchangs > > > > followed by him). All this has been written with more > > interesting > > > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier > posts, > > etc. > > > > > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave > us, > > > Lahiri's > > > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related > > astronomy is > > > the > > > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were > based > > on > > > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and > corrections > > given > > > by > > > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or > > > thereabouts > > > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few > rare > > > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, > > others > > > were > > > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. > Publishing > > just > > > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not > do, > > any > > > > more! > > > > > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri. > > > > > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different > ayanamshas > > being > > > like > > > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, > yours > > > would > > > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not > work for > > me > > > > anymore <LOL> > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " R Satish " > > > <rsatish1942@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my > > > experience > > > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called > > Kotipalli,on > > > the > > > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt. > > > > > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which > trains > > > Hindu > > > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is > residential > > > school. > > > > > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned > to > > him > > > about > > > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang > and > > > Lahiri's > > > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed > to > > the > > > then > > > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated > there > > is a > > > > > difference of " one pada " ,between the local > panchang.Hence a > > > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had > gone > > to > > > him > > > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even > in my > > > case, > > > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance > of > > > Chandra > > > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference. > > > > > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to > one's > > > > experience. > > > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' > > stalwarts' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly > and > > > indirectly > > > > > with many in person and in the groups like these the > most > > > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. > > > Ashwattappa, > > > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as > it was > > > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar > person, > > and so > > > for > > > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the > > > difference > > > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec > and > > > MAJORITY > > > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous > of > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he > felt he > > must > > > try > > > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many > cases > > Rahu > > > Dasa > > > > or > > > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their > > earlier > > > part > > > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or > Sukra > > > periods > > > > that > > > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait > til > > then > > > end > > > > of > > > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place > can > > give > > > at > > > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF > MNEXT > > GURU S > > > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore > > Maharaja's > > > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations. > > > > > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET > GOOD > > > RESULTS > > > > it > > > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we > want > > the > > > > subject > > > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, > it is > > > > possible > > > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother > left > > to > > > ones > > > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we > know > > we > > > ar > > > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued > the > > > > traditional > > > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have > > acknowledged > > > as > > > > the > > > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > dear > > > prashant ji > > > > > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge > from > > > your > > > > > three > > > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the > > founding > > > > > members > > > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for > amateurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several > years > > and > > > > > sometimes > > > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. > however, > > after > > > your > > > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am > > getting > > > the > > > > > charts, > > > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. > > unfortunately, > > > these > > > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > Kumar > > G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun > > > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's > in > > vouge > > > > prior > > > > > to > > > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is > like a > > > judge > > > > who > > > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a > verdit. > > HIS > > > OWN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter > claims to > > > deal > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more > a > > tamil > > > > > centric > > > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on > their > > EQ > > > [ego > > > > > > quotient] > > > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya > > panchang > > > no > > > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was > made > > by > > > one > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name > so no > > way > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, > > Srirangam, > > > > Tenkasi > > > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam > [or > > snake > > > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say > could > > not > > > > agree > > > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in > > India > > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of > Major > > planets > > > at > > > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all > others in > > > chaos. > > > > no > > > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or > > verifiable > > > one > > > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical > > principles > > > at > > > > > least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead > of RR > > here > > > on > > > > > > storry telling these are true ones though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT > WAS > > IN > > > LONDON > > > > > or > > > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a > case of > > > Iyangars > > > > a > > > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 > groups > > in > > > them > > > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in > a > > temple > > > > > function > > > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple > elephant's > > > > forehaead > > > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > > > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y > with a > > > middle > > > > > line > > > > > > in red] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and > > finally > > > went > > > > > to > > > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case > you can > > > never > > > > say > > > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised > our > > > calander > > > > but > > > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see > the > > same > > > > Moon's > > > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different > > holiday > > > the > > > > > state > > > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and > former > > CM. Ms > > > > JJ, > > > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally > the > > > other > > > > one > > > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other > > directly. > > > > their > > > > > mud > > > > > > slinging is of unique depths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > calcutta > > but > > > > since > > > > > > varanasi was key centre for > > > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed > and > > studied > > > as > > > > > par > > > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what > > panchang > > > was > > > > > used > > > > > > before lahiri placed his > > > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations > used > > while > > > > > making > > > > > > chart in ancient times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > > Calcutta > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > Varanasi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > > > longitudinally or > > > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours > of > > > journey, if > > > > I > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or > Sankatmochan > > or > > > > Birla > > > > > > temple and > > > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same > prob.. if > > i > > > use > > > > > raman > > > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also > changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his > > location > > > was > > > > > much > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > to equator in comparison to > > > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri > gave his > > > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in > 10th and > > one > > > > shows > > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > > 9th . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my > chart > > > changes > > > > > and > > > > > > if i > > > > > > > > consider true node then too my > > > > > > > > > chart changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > > > matching .because > > > > > > venus and > > > > > > > > ketu dont give much better > > > > > > > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as > > Varun > > > last > > > > > time!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation > indeed, > > > because > > > > > ketu > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 > > degrees > > > apart > > > > if > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run > into > > > another > > > > > > conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and > venus > > are > > > in > > > > same > > > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the > two > > are > > > in > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > signs :- > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart > that > > > brings > > > > us > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- " idhar jaaoon > yaa > > > udhar > > > > > jaaoon - > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > > > jaoon? " as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not > react > > > strongly > > > > and > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that > you > > utilize > > > > true > > > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean > vs > > true > > > > nodes, > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all > > engaged > > > for > > > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few > > > sincerely > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And > yet > > some > > > > would > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that > do > > not > > > exists > > > > > but > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which > angle > > you > > > find > > > > > venus > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is > aspecting > > lagna > > > > even > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is > commencing > > which > > > is > > > > > lord > > > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury > is in > > his > > > > chart. > > > > > > and that > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its > effects are > > > null. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible > in his > > > > chart.as > > > > > > mars in > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and > that > > > will > > > > > surely > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also > guide my > > > answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects > of 5th > > > mars > > > > and > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and > with > > god > > > > > blessings > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has > got > > > attracted > > > > > > towards him > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this > age > > where > > > any > > > > boy > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have > a > > love > > > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and > > jupiter > > > in > > > > 7th > > > > > > wont > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and > tht too > > > very > > > > good > > > > > > one, u > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many > world > > > > happening > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl > trade > > towers > > > > > > crashing, > > > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But > this > > > combination > > > > > > often shows > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht > other > > > > astrologers > > > > > can > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY > > > AND > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, ==> But how is it that people using different Ayanamsas can also read the same clock fairly accurately sometimes? If there is only one correct Ayanamsa how do you explain accurate predictions using other Ayanamsas? <== Answer told earlier many times, i will repeat it. Based on any point in a circle, intuitive people can derive a system that reflects truth for a short span of time (may be 50 -100 years). But if we need a system that holds good for generations, even thousands of years, there should a system based on a UNIQUE point which has some special importance, which is mathematically important, and depicts the true rhythm for long. For example, if you imagine an ellipse to be a circle, and use the formula of the circle to read the movement of a particle through it, surely it holds good for some time, but fails soon. We need to understand that it is an ellipse and use the formula of ellipse to read the movement of that particle for long. Another example - Even a dead clock will show correct time, 2 times a day. ==> Now how many elders are there? And how many books / palm leaves are there? Each says something different from the other. Which elder to listen to? <== There is only two methods - better combine these two. 1) Seek the common thread; follow the ideas that are common to all. OR 2) Follow the method taught by the eldest ones among the many books (i.e. we need to follow Rishi Horas) So in short follow Rishi horas, and at the same time seek and follow the ideas that are common to all of them. ==> It is for this reason i would tend to lean towards what Pradeepji was saying about "Divya Dristi" which the sages had. <== Is there a method to teach Divya Drishti? Do you have Divya Drishti? How to know that the drishti (view) is Divya? Can't it be your hallucination? What it the path to attain true intuition? Is it not Yoga and meditation? Are you practicing it? If so will you speak about such things? There are many questions. P.S. : YOGA is divided into four sections. 1) Yoga exercises 2) Yoga Asanas (sitting postures) 3) Pranayama (Breath exercises) 4) Meditation In Patanjala Yoga this sequence is important and the first 3 is the path to attain the fourth. Meditation is at the top. (Don't go further, I am holding some comments here). We can divide them into 2 sections : 1) Yoga exercise and Yoga Asanas 2) Pranayama and Meditation. The new gurus like Osho and Rasi sankar has turned this order, since today people fail to follow the Patanjala system. They are making people experience the 2nd one first, so that they would naturally start practicing the 1st. It like making somebody taste the honey first, so that later they will go in search of it, putting in their full efforts. Just passing a bit of info Yoga. So remember that when somebody uses the word YOGA he mean all these 4 steps or sections or what ever you call it. Love, Sreendah vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: Dear Shreenadh,I agree that reading the time from the clock is what astrology is all about. But how is it that people using different ayanamsas can also read the same clock fairly accurately sometimes? If there is only one correct ayanamsa how do you explain accurate predictions using other ayanamsas? U have written: Now we don't know even how to read that clock! We should search the books written by those elders and find out how they did it. ;)Now how many elders are there? And how many books / palm leaves are there? Each says something different from the other. Which elder to listern to?It is for this reason i would tend to lean towards what Pradeepji was saying about "Divya Dristi" which the sages had. Astrology, perhaps cannot be learnt entirely from books! :):)Love,Vinita , sree nadh <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Vinita ji,> Your example is good. > ==>> "Yes perceptions make a big difference.> Like example of who is running the train:> -engine is running the train.> -tracks are running the train.> -fuel [diesel or electric] is running the train.> -station master controls and runs the train.> -engine driver controls the engine and runs the train.> -zonal HQ run all the train and control them.> -it is rail minister or rail ministry who control and run the train.> -or guard control or runs the train.> <==> But let me give you another example - A clock. > A clock works due to many internal mechanisms and we are trying to know time from it which is not at all related to the clock. What we need to know is simply how read time from the clock in the same way as told to us by our elders. As far as astrology is concerned you can replace the word elders with Rishis, clock with horoscope and time with results in previous sentence. Neither the internal mechanisms of the clock nor the intricacies of the patterns of time that we are trying to read from it is not important as far as reading time by looking at a clock is concerned. > > Let that zigzagging neutrinos there be in there frame in that patterns of time, and clock with its own intricacies in its own frame and the simple reading method for the normal simple astrologer. But alas! Now we don't know even how to read that clock! We should search the books written by those elders and find out how they did it. > > P.S: It is not good to depend too much on examples. Taking models for reality and then attributing the limitations of the model to reality is one of the mistake that had caused so many confusions is studies of many subjects somebody says. Who? - I don't know. For now let it be me. > > Note- Thanks for the message. It was really good. > Love,> Sreenadh> > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote:> Dear Shreenadh,> > I do admire u for your scientific study of astrology. But when i > went thru your private message to Pradeepji i couldn't help thinking > how (relatively) easy it is to correlate dates with events when u > actually know the events that have taken place. Supposing u had not > known about these events, would it have been possible to predict > with the same certainty?> > One is the patterns and rythms in time that make it "conducive" for > something to happen. The probabalities, some which can be actualised > and some which cannot be actualised. There could be so many > permutations and combinations that point towards an event happening. > Like the dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha that u have used > for "fitting in" the event with the rythm/pattern of time. But do > these rythms not occur and recur in our lives and sometimes the same > events may not happen? (Neutrinoes zig zagging in space - we cannot > be certain of their path of motion)> > The other is our interpretation of these events. The interpretation > has to differ depending on our perception. What "drives" an event > (i.e., what dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha)? I leave u with a > quote of a person i respect in the field of KP astrology about the > interpretation of "drivers" of the rail engine"> > "Yes perceptions make a big difference.> Like example of who is running the train:> -engine is running the train.> -tracks are running the train.> -fuel [diesal or electric] is running the train.> -station master controls and runs the train.> -engine driver controls the engine and runs the train.> -zonal HQ run all the train and control them.> -it is rail minister or rail minidtry who control and run the train.> -or guard control or runs the train.> etc.> If you are seeing a horoscope/chart you can see different aspects in > different perceptions and with different mind frames."> Inder> > So probably some "divya driti" is necessary to make sense of the > whole thing (perhaps?).> > Love,> Vinita> > > , sree nadh > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > The following is a private mail conversation between me and > Pradeep ji. I am posting it here with his permission.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > I assume that your birth took place in Eranakulam, since only > that place name is mentioned in your mail. BT: 11:40:30 (Kunda falls > in the trine star of Ravati, i.e. Jyeshta. Only Kunda rectification > applied assuming that the given BT almost correct)> > DOB: 13/01/1955 BT: 11:40:30 Place:Ernakulam, Kerala> > In your chart Lagna sign is stronger since, the Lagna lord is > exalted and aspects Lagna with 9th speciall (full) drishti. > Therefore, Dasa starting from Lagna star is used. > > Chandra hari Ayanamsa (True ayanamsa as per Surya sidhanta) and > 360 day year length.> > Pradeep - Natal Chart> > > > January 13, 1955> > Time: 11:40:30 am> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 76 E 17' 00", 9 N 59' 00"> > Ernakulam, India> > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Pushya> > Tithi: Krishna Panchami (Ju) (1.93% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)> > Nakshatra: Uttara Phalguni (Su) (83.82% left)> > Yoga: Sobhana (Su) (65.91% left)> > Karana: Taitula (Me) (3.86% left)> > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)> > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > > > Sunrise: 6:48:10 am> > Sunset: 6:18:42 pm> > Janma Ghatis: 12.1806> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-14-01.70> > Sidereal Time: 18:43:27> > > > +--------------+> > |As Ma | | |Ke |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Md Gk | |JuR |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |Me | |Mo |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Su Ra |Ve |Sa | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > > > First Job: 16/03/81 : Dasa : Ve->Ma->Ra > > Ve - 8th (house of livelihood) lord > > Ma - 2nd (Indicaing income) and 9th (luck) lord. Karaka for > 10 th house. Placed in > > Lagna indicating a relation with Lagna> > Ra - Planet in 10th house (Job)> > Marriage : 12/9/81: Dasa : Ve->Ma->Me> > Ve - 8th (mangalya stana) lord. significator of marriage. > > Ma - 2nd (own family) lord. 9th (in 9th Ve is posiged) lord. > placed in Lagna> > Me - 7th (marriage) lord.> > > > Father's death: 19/9/86 Dasa:Ve->Ju->Ve> > Ve-Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 9th (death of > father). Owns 7th house > > (maraka stana) from 9th. Placed in 9th (father). > > Ju - Lord of 2nd house (maraka stana) from 9th (father). Lord > of 6th (disease) from > > 9th (father). > > Ve - (told earlier)> > Mother's death : 7/08/85 Dasa: Ve->Ju->Sa> > > > Ve - Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 4th (death of > mother). Placed in 6th > > (diseace/sudden death/accident etc) from 4th.> > Ju - Lord of 7nd house (maraka stana) from 4th (mother). > Placed in 2nd house > > (maraka stana) from 4th (mother)> > Sa - significator of death. 8th lord from 4th (death of mother)> > Birth of Son: 12/07/86 Dasa : Ve-Ju-Su> > Ve - posited in 9th (5th from 5th, indipendantly also > indicates child birth). 5th drishti > > of Ju on Ve. (Proper for child birth)> > Ju - significator of son. placed in 5th (children) from > Lagna. > > Su - significator of son (says Mihira)> > Brother's death: 1/9/2001 Dasa: Mo->Ma->Ju> > Mo - Placed in 6th (accident/sorrow) 3rd (death) lord form 3rd > (brother).> > Ma - significator of brother. 12th (death) lord from 3rd > (brother). 7th (maraka stana) > > lord from 3rd (brother)> > Ju - 8th lord from 3rd (death of brother). > > Shifting to new Flat : 9/3/200 Dasa : Su->Ve->Ke> > Su- planet in 10th, in friends house . (New house or property > predicted for placement > > of planet in friends house - as per Phaladeepika). The > depositor of Su is Ju an exalted > > planet and Lagna lord.> > Ve - significator of 4th (house) and lexuries. Placed in 9th. > Antara of a planet placed > > in 9th in the dasa of a planet placed in 10th indicates a > Rajayoga.> > Ke - placed in 4th (house, living place, flat). It should give > the results of Me (the 4th lord) placed in 11th (gain).i.e. Gain of > Flat.> > > > ==> > > > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they > fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help > research.> > <==> > I hope that clarifies the issue. > > > > P.S. Of course you can test the same with Chitrapaksha Ayanamsa > and 365.2524 day year length. But remember to take Dasa from Lagna > sputa. Probably that also would fit in with the events. But this > does not have any support from sanskrit classics. I don't want to > protect any system, let it be Chandrahari or Chitrapaksha. But of > course I WILL stand with and appreciate true researches, and would > love to be with true and sincere seekers of knowledge.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:> > > > Dear Sreenadji,> > > > Thank you for your kind reply.> > > > Which ayanamsa would you recommend?> > > > There is a change of antardashas everytime by a year or so when > we experiment with different ayanamsas. > > > > Ofcourse we can be misled by incorrect birthtime and find fault > with the ayanamsa.> > > > My birthchart cast in Ernakulam at TOB show bal of Surya dasa as > 5y 11 m 13d whereas the computer versions show 5y 0m 7d. (my Dob > 13/01/55 @ Ekm, @ 12 naligais and 12 vinaligais after sunrise - > approx 1140 hrs I presume).> > > > Major events in my life:> > First job 16/3/81> > marriage 12/9/81> > father's death 19/9/86 @ 4.30 pm> > birth of son 12/7/86 @ Chennai 1.40am> > Mother's death 7/8/1985> > brother's death 1/9/2001 @ 1 am> > Shifting to new flat 9/3/2000> > > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they > fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help > research.> > > > Thank you very much,> > > > Regards,> > Pradeep> > > > > > - > > sree nadh > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:43 PM> > Re: Ayanamsa debate> > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > ==>> > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then?> > <==> > They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the > ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true > research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa > as well. > > ==>> > I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa > mathematically.> > <==> > Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts > depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position > and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!!> > Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta speaks > about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!!> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:> > Sree nadh ji,> > > > My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down to > us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and > so on.> > > > I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have > been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today > like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. > > > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then?> > > > Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the least.> > > > Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of > the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a > futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically.> > > > The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such > problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by > such living greats in our society!> > > > May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do > today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings > were lost with the passage of time.> > > > It was some loud thinking on my part.> > > > Thank you,> > > > Regards,> > > > Pradeep> > - > > sree nadh > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM> > Re: Ayanamsa debate> > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > Just one question. > > In which way these psychics can help us in the study of > astrology? > > > > We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. > > Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective > study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of > astrology like "Nadi system" etc itself that works like a pure > psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the > like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever we > could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can > teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with.> > > > If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of > Ayanamsa, then -> > * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is > ascribed to there opinions > > will vanish once they die. > > * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a > concept against turbulent > > wind of time> > So we should better go for the second choice. > > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:> > Dear members,> > > > May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri > Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times > of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His > daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic.> > > > K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on > astro matters.> > > > May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in > oblivion.> > > > If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate > steps in seeking their knowledge.> > > > Regards,> > Pradeep> > > > > > - > > astrologerashutosh > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM> > Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,> > > > I truly understand and accept what you said.> > > > But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many > factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary > positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has > developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading > horoscopes.> > > > In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu > calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality > analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot > be done so randomly. > > > > It is easier for those who are still in basic learning > process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly > transits, it is not. > > > > It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid > orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical > and better than the already practised one. > > > > I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way > of life for me and my only guide and teacher. > > > > Regards,> > > > Ashutosh> > > > > > > > > > - > > crystal pages > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33> > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > Dear Ashutoshji,> > > > I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish!> > > > Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that > is a > > make or break in *my* marriage!> > > > I am just being very honest and candid!> > > > I hope you can understand and accept that> > > > Warmest regards,> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Rohini Ji,> > > > > > Very wise words. I too believe in a > sincere > > marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, > one > > should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Ashutosh> > > > > > > > > - > > > crystal pages > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07> > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > > > > Dear Ashutosh ji> > > > > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which > > according > > > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused > and > > still > > > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old!> > > > > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of > an > > astute > > > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with > that :-P> > > > > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just > say > > this: > > > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even > when > > > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of > love, > > one > > > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to > > those > > > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!!> > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Rohini Ji,> > > > > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the > Ayana, > > is > > > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the > difference > > > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) > planetary > > > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > > > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by > the > > > government of India. > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Ashutosh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > crystal pages > > > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41> > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji,> > > > > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his > ayanamsha > > > (which he > > > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star > Chitra > > or > > > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. > Similar > > > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar > > > ayanamsha. > > > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji > Maharaj > > did > > > not > > > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated > that > > it > > > was > > > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing > > panchangs > > > > followed by him). All this has been written with more > > interesting > > > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier > posts, > > etc.> > > > > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave > us, > > > Lahiri's > > > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related > > astronomy is > > > the > > > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were > based > > on > > > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and > corrections > > given > > > by > > > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or > > > thereabouts > > > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few > rare > > > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, > > others > > > were > > > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. > Publishing > > just > > > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not > do, > > any > > > > more! > > > > > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri.> > > > > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different > ayanamshas > > being > > > like > > > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, > yours > > > would > > > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not > work for > > me > > > > anymore <LOL>> > > > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > , "R Satish" > > > <rsatish1942@> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my > > > experience > > > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called > > Kotipalli,on > > > the > > > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt.> > > > > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which > trains > > > Hindu > > > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is > residential > > > school.> > > > > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned > to > > him > > > about > > > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang > and > > > Lahiri's > > > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed > to > > the > > > then > > > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated > there > > is a > > > > > difference of" one pada",between the local > panchang.Hence a > > > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had > gone > > to > > > him > > > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even > in my > > > case, > > > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance > of > > > Chandra > > > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference.> > > > > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to > one's > > > > experience.> > > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of > > astrology.> > > > > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' > > stalwarts' .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly > and > > > indirectly > > > > > with many in person and in the groups like these the > most > > > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. > > > Ashwattappa, > > > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as > it was > > > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar > person, > > and so > > > for > > > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the > > > difference > > > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec > and > > > MAJORITY > > > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous > of > > him.> > > > > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he > felt he > > must > > > try > > > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many > cases > > Rahu > > > Dasa > > > > or > > > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their > > earlier > > > part > > > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or > Sukra > > > periods > > > > that > > > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait > til > > then > > > end > > > > of > > > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place > can > > give > > > at > > > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF > MNEXT > > GURU S > > > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore > > Maharaja's > > > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations.> > > > > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET > GOOD > > > RESULTS > > > > it > > > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we > want > > the > > > > subject > > > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, > it is > > > > possible > > > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother > left > > to > > > ones > > > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we > know > > we > > > ar > > > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued > the > > > > traditional > > > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have > > acknowledged > > > as > > > > the > > > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > dear > > > prashant ji> > > > > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge > from > > > your > > > > > three > > > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the > > founding > > > > > members > > > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for > amateurs.> > > > > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several > years > > and > > > > > sometimes > > > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. > however, > > after > > > your > > > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am > > getting > > > the > > > > > charts, > > > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. > > unfortunately, > > > these > > > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > Kumar > > G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi Tarun> > > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's > in > > vouge > > > > prior > > > > > to > > > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is > like a > > > judge > > > > who > > > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a > verdit. > > HIS > > > OWN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter > claims to > > > deal > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more > a > > tamil > > > > > centric > > > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on > their > > EQ > > > [ego > > > > > > quotient] > > > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya > > panchang > > > no > > > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was > made > > by > > > one > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name > so no > > way > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, > > Srirangam, > > > > Tenkasi > > > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam > [or > > snake > > > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say > could > > not > > > > agree > > > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in > > India > > > agree?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of > Major > > planets > > > at > > > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all > others in > > > chaos. > > > > no > > > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or > > verifiable > > > one > > > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical > > principles > > > at > > > > > least.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead > of RR > > here > > > on > > > > > > storry telling these are true ones though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT > WAS > > IN > > > LONDON > > > > > or > > > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a > case of > > > Iyangars > > > > a > > > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 > groups > > in > > > them > > > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in > a > > temple > > > > > function > > > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple > elephant's > > > > forehaead > > > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark> > > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y > with a > > > middle > > > > > line > > > > > > in red]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and > > finally > > > went > > > > > to > > > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case > you can > > > never > > > > say > > > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised > our > > > calander > > > > but > > > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see > the > > same > > > > Moon's > > > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different > > holiday > > > the > > > > > state > > > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and > former > > CM. Ms > > > > JJ, > > > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally > the > > > other > > > > one > > > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other > > directly. > > > > their > > > > > mud > > > > > > slinging is of unique depths.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > calcutta > > but > > > > since > > > > > > varanasi was key centre for> > > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed > and > > studied > > > as > > > > > par > > > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what > > panchang > > > was > > > > > used > > > > > > before lahiri placed his> > > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations > used > > while > > > > > making > > > > > > chart in ancient times.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun> > > > > > > www.thevinayak.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > > Calcutta > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > Varanasi!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > > > longitudinally or > > > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours > of > > > journey, if > > > > I > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or > Sankatmochan > > or > > > > Birla > > > > > > temple and > > > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same > prob.. if > > i > > > use > > > > > raman > > > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months.> > > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also > changes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his > > location > > > was > > > > > much > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > to equator in comparison to> > > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri > gave his > > > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > > > the diff is easily expected.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983> > > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am> > > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in > 10th and > > one > > > > shows > > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > > 9th .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my > chart > > > changes > > > > > and > > > > > > if i > > > > > > > > consider true node then too my> > > > > > > > > chart changes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > > > matching .because > > > > > > venus and > > > > > > > > ketu dont give much better> > > > > > > > > results as she is descibing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji,> > > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as > > Varun > > > last > > > > > time!>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation > indeed, > > > because > > > > > ketu > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 > > degrees > > > apart > > > > if > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run > into > > > another > > > > > > conundrum!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and > venus > > are > > > in > > > > same > > > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > > > house (9th)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the > two > > are > > > in > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > signs :-> > > > > > > > > > )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart > that > > > brings > > > > us > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon > yaa > > > udhar > > > > > jaaoon -> > > > > > - > > > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not > react > > > strongly > > > > and > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that > you > > utilize > > > > true > > > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean > vs > > true > > > > nodes, > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all > > engaged > > > for > > > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few > > > sincerely > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And > yet > > some > > > > would > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that > do > > not > > > exists > > > > > but > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hii ???> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which > angle > > you > > > find > > > > > venus > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > combination in his chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is > aspecting > > lagna > > > > even > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > > > 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is > commencing > > which > > > is > > > > > lord > > > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury > is in > > his > > > > chart. > > > > > > and that > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but> > > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its > effects are > > > null.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible > in his > > > > chart.as > > > > > > mars in > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do> > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and > that > > > will > > > > > surely > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also > guide my > > > answers> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects > of 5th > > > mars > > > > and > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > > > per lal kitab.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981> > > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08> > > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and > with > > god > > > > > blessings > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has > got > > > attracted > > > > > > towards him > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this > age > > where > > > any > > > > boy > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > gf.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have > a > > love > > > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and > > jupiter > > > in > > > > 7th > > > > > > wont > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and > tht too > > > very > > > > good > > > > > > one, u > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many > world > > > > happening > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl > trade > > towers > > > > > > crashing, > > > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But > this > > > combination > > > > > > often shows > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > described things.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht > other > > > > astrologers > > > > > can > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY > > > AND > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Dear Chandra Hari ji, Thank you. I bow before that insightful questions. Thanks again for the knowledge shared. Dear Hari ji, can you please upload some of your articles published in IJHS on the files section of the forum, so that all of us will get benefited by it. Love, Sreenadh K Chandra Hari <chandrahari81 wrote: Dear Sreenadh and friends, I am seeing the group after a long break due to tight schedules and now I am writing from Trivandrum as I found you people debating on ayanamsa. Had astrologers been of scientific habits the 'ayanamsa' debate would have ended by this time. In Kerala to all Chitrapaksha Panchanga makers I have send a copy of my latest paper appearing in Ind Jour of Hist of Science_March 2006, INSA, N.Delhi-2 asking them to respond scientifically if they intend to have real standardization and rationalization of Panchangas. Most of the Chakravartis did not turn up - may be the paper published in the journal had the conclusion with sufficient proof that the Calendar Reform Committee comitted gross mistake in understanding and interpreting the polar longitudes of Suryasiddhanta. Unless it is a sound scientific work is it possible that such a paper will be accepted by journal. IJHS took 2.5 years to publish the paper (Aug 2003 to March 2006) to have the paper in print. It is therefore apparent that the paper had been send to many referees and has been published because of the irrefutable scientific grounds. Here the question is does the astrology community has the spirit and the knowledge to accept a true scientific work? Pradeep had been interacting with the PVR group and some of the Gurus have been making silly comments instead of replying to my scientific works. I have mailed solid data to PVR but he has not replied to any such mail. His doubts are of the type - where is Muladhara? When that is answered he will ask why it should be 240 degree? When the ayanamsa is proved with published data on Mrtyubhagas, he never answers. A mathematical proof based on Suryasiddhanta was also mailed to him but he never replied to such mails. It is of no use to waste time with people who pretend to be in sleep. Those who have the good sense may ponder on the following points: 1. How could the ancient people think that their astronomical computations are not accurate and they needed more accuracy? See, I can know my measurement as wrong only if I have a standard or scale to compare. What was that standard in ancient times? 2. If astrologers in India says that 'samkrama' is at 10 AM, 1015 AM, 11AM or say 1700 hrs - how can we ascertain that which of these is correct? 3. If we have no means to ascertain the truth of "SUBHA & ASUBHA" times given by different panchangas (ephemeris) - what is the credibility of Jyotisha? 4. Is there any relevance to Jyotisha in our lives beyond that of a "Cow over the page of a book"? Only lunacy induced by Moon and tidal effects are the impact of planets on human beings? No other effect? 5. What made Varaha Mihira to pray at the outset "Moorthithve..." to rising Sun for "Vacham nah sa dadathu trilokyadeepo ravi". How Sun can give word, vak? 6. How is it that Gayatri is able to bestow divine grace on people? How does Savitru impart his grace? Go deeper into Jyotisha - it is a Yogatmaka sastram. Jyotischakram involves the 'Time Structure of Breathing' and True Zodiac is Mahayogi and Mahakala. If you can realize a Yogi on the sky, in the path of the Sun, then the jyotisha that you follow has a meaning. Otherwise it shall be a psueudoscience as is being preached and practiced by some people on different groups. Hope Sreenadh will be able to make some fresh air blow over world wide web of naueating discussions on Jyotisha. Some of the lessons that are being taught to students as researches are really rubbish... chandra hari - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Dear Shreenadhji, Thankyou for your response. As u must know, i do not understand the technicalities of the ayanamsha debate with my present stage of knowledge and intelligence. The limited point i was trying to make is that with the correct Ayanamsha we should be correct 100 per cent of the time (and not just twice a day as with a dead clock). If that were so, predictions should never go wrong using the correct ayanamsha. OF course, then comes the question of interpretation. Even if we are using the correct ayanamsha, our interpretation based on imperfect knowledge may still go wrong. The only reason i mentioned " divya dristi " is that astrology was the preserve of sages in ancient times who had " perfect knowledge " . In kaliyuga with every other person (including myself) trying to make sense of astrology, I suppose we cannot get very far, no matter how scientific our approach may be. Of course, this should exclude some people like Chandra Hari ji who can make such a profound statement as: " Jyotishchakram involves the 'Time Structure of Breathing' and True Zodiac is Mahayogi and Mahakala " For most of us who may take lifetimes just to get the breath " right " , even a scientific study of the subject may not get us very far. Sorry to sound pessimistic, :( on an otherwise smiley forum - but this is only a personal viewpoint, and i hope i am wrong. This of course dosn't take away from the immense charm and romance of trying to know / learn something about astrology which for some inexplicable reason holds a lot of fascination for most of us, even though such a study may not get us very far..... Love, Vinita , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > ==> > But how is it that people using different Ayanamsas can also > read the same clock fairly accurately sometimes? If there is only one > correct Ayanamsa how do you explain accurate predictions using other > Ayanamsas? > <== > Answer told earlier many times, i will repeat it. Based on any point in a circle, intuitive people can derive a system that reflects truth for a short span of time (may be 50 -100 years). But if we need a system that holds good for generations, even thousands of years, there should a system based on a UNIQUE point which has some special importance, which is mathematically important, and depicts the true rhythm for long. For example, if you imagine an ellipse to be a circle, and use the formula of the circle to read the movement of a particle through it, surely it holds good for some time, but fails soon. We need to understand that it is an ellipse and use the formula of ellipse to read the movement of that particle for long. Another example - Even a dead clock will show correct time, 2 times a day. > ==> > Now how many elders are there? And how many books / palm leaves are > there? Each says something different from the other. Which elder to > listen to? > <== > There is only two methods - better combine these two. > 1) Seek the common thread; follow the ideas that are common to all. OR > 2) Follow the method taught by the eldest ones among the many books > (i.e. we need to follow Rishi Horas) > So in short follow Rishi horas, and at the same time seek and follow the ideas that are common to all of them. > ==> > It is for this reason i would tend to lean towards what Pradeepji was > saying about " Divya Dristi " which the sages had. > <== > Is there a method to teach Divya Drishti? Do you have Divya Drishti? How to know that the drishti (view) is Divya? Can't it be your hallucination? What it the path to attain true intuition? Is it not Yoga and meditation? Are you practicing it? If so will you speak about such things? There are many questions. > > P.S. : YOGA is divided into four sections. > 1) Yoga exercises > 2) Yoga Asanas (sitting postures) > 3) Pranayama (Breath exercises) > 4) Meditation > In Patanjala Yoga this sequence is important and the first 3 is the path to attain the fourth. Meditation is at the top. (Don't go further, I am holding some comments here). We can divide them into 2 sections : > 1) Yoga exercise and Yoga Asanas > 2) Pranayama and Meditation. > The new gurus like Osho and Rasi sankar has turned this order, since today people fail to follow the Patanjala system. They are making people experience the 2nd one first, so that they would naturally start practicing the 1st. It like making somebody taste the honey first, so that later they will go in search of it, putting in their full efforts. > > Just passing a bit of info Yoga. So remember that when somebody uses the word YOGA he mean all these 4 steps or sections or what ever you call it. > Love, > Sreendah > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > > I agree that reading the time from the clock is what astrology is all > about. But how is it that people using different ayanamsas can also > read the same clock fairly accurately sometimes? If there is only one > correct ayanamsa how do you explain accurate predictions using other > ayanamsas? > > U have written: > Now we don't know even how to read that clock! We should search the > books written by those elders and find out how they did it. > > Now how many elders are there? And how many books / palm leaves are > there? Each says something different from the other. Which elder to > listern to? > > It is for this reason i would tend to lean towards what Pradeepji was > saying about " Divya Dristi " which the sages had. Astrology, perhaps > cannot be learnt entirely from books! :) > > Love, > Vinita > > > > > , sree nadh > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > Your example is good. > > ==> > > " Yes perceptions make a big difference. > > Like example of who is running the train: > > -engine is running the train. > > -tracks are running the train. > > -fuel [diesel or electric] is running the train. > > -station master controls and runs the train. > > -engine driver controls the engine and runs the train. > > -zonal HQ run all the train and control them. > > -it is rail minister or rail ministry who control and run the train. > > -or guard control or runs the train. > > <== > > But let me give you another example - A clock. > > A clock works due to many internal mechanisms and we are trying > to know time from it which is not at all related to the clock. What > we need to know is simply how read time from the clock in the same > way as told to us by our elders. As far as astrology is concerned > you can replace the word elders with Rishis, clock with horoscope and > time with results in previous sentence. Neither the internal > mechanisms of the clock nor the intricacies of the patterns of time > that we are trying to read from it is not important as far as reading > time by looking at a clock is concerned. > > > > Let that zigzagging neutrinos there be in there frame in that > patterns of time, and clock with its own intricacies in its own frame > and the simple reading method for the normal simple astrologer. But > alas! Now we don't know even how to read that clock! We should search > the books written by those elders and find out how they did it. > > > > P.S: It is not good to depend too much on examples. Taking > models for reality and then attributing the limitations of the model > to reality is one of the mistake that had caused so many confusions > is studies of many subjects somebody says. Who? - I don't know. For > now let it be me. > > > > Note- Thanks for the message. It was really good. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > I do admire u for your scientific study of astrology. But when i > > went thru your private message to Pradeepji i couldn't help > thinking > > how (relatively) easy it is to correlate dates with events when u > > actually know the events that have taken place. Supposing u had not > > known about these events, would it have been possible to predict > > with the same certainty? > > > > One is the patterns and rythms in time that make it " conducive " for > > something to happen. The probabalities, some which can be > actualised > > and some which cannot be actualised. There could be so many > > permutations and combinations that point towards an event > happening. > > Like the dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha that u have used > > for " fitting in " the event with the rythm/pattern of time. But do > > these rythms not occur and recur in our lives and sometimes the > same > > events may not happen? (Neutrinoes zig zagging in space - we cannot > > be certain of their path of motion) > > > > The other is our interpretation of these events. The interpretation > > has to differ depending on our perception. What " drives " an event > > (i.e., what dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha)? I leave u with a > > quote of a person i respect in the field of KP astrology about the > > interpretation of " drivers " of the rail engine " > > > > " Yes perceptions make a big difference. > > Like example of who is running the train: > > -engine is running the train. > > -tracks are running the train. > > -fuel [diesal or electric] is running the train. > > -station master controls and runs the train. > > -engine driver controls the engine and runs the train. > > -zonal HQ run all the train and control them. > > -it is rail minister or rail minidtry who control and run the train. > > -or guard control or runs the train. > > etc. > > If you are seeing a horoscope/chart you can see different aspects > in > > different perceptions and with different mind frames. " > > Inder > > > > So probably some " divya driti " is necessary to make sense of the > > whole thing (perhaps?). > > > > Love, > > Vinita > > > > > > , sree nadh > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > The following is a private mail conversation between me and > > Pradeep ji. I am posting it here with his permission. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > I assume that your birth took place in Eranakulam, since only > > that place name is mentioned in your mail. BT: 11:40:30 (Kunda > falls > > in the trine star of Ravati, i.e. Jyeshta. Only Kunda rectification > > applied assuming that the given BT almost correct) > > > DOB: 13/01/1955 BT: 11:40:30 Place:Ernakulam, Kerala > > > In your chart Lagna sign is stronger since, the Lagna lord is > > exalted and aspects Lagna with 9th speciall (full) drishti. > > Therefore, Dasa starting from Lagna star is used. > > > Chandra hari Ayanamsa (True ayanamsa as per Surya sidhanta) and > > 360 day year length. > > > Pradeep - Natal Chart > > > > > > January 13, 1955 > > > Time: 11:40:30 am > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 76 E 17' 00 " , 9 N 59' 00 " > > > Ernakulam, India > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Pushya > > > Tithi: Krishna Panchami (Ju) (1.93% left) > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) > > > Nakshatra: Uttara Phalguni (Su) (83.82% left) > > > Yoga: Sobhana (Su) (65.91% left) > > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (3.86% left) > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn) > > > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc) > > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn) > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:48:10 am > > > Sunset: 6:18:42 pm > > > Janma Ghatis: 12.1806 > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-14-01.70 > > > Sidereal Time: 18:43:27 > > > > > > +--------------+ > > > |As Ma | | |Ke | > > > | | | | | > > > | | | | | > > > | | | | | > > > | | | | | > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > |Md Gk | |JuR | > > > | | | | > > > | | | | > > > | | | | > > > | | | | > > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > > > |Me | |Mo | > > > | | | | > > > | | | | > > > | | | | > > > | | | | > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > |Su Ra |Ve |Sa | | > > > | | | | | > > > | | | | | > > > | | | | | > > > | | | | | > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > First Job: 16/03/81 : Dasa : Ve->Ma->Ra > > > Ve - 8th (house of livelihood) lord > > > Ma - 2nd (Indicaing income) and 9th (luck) lord. Karaka for > > 10 th house. Placed in > > > Lagna indicating a relation with Lagna > > > Ra - Planet in 10th house (Job) > > > Marriage : 12/9/81: Dasa : Ve->Ma->Me > > > Ve - 8th (mangalya stana) lord. significator of marriage. > > > Ma - 2nd (own family) lord. 9th (in 9th Ve is posiged) lord. > > placed in Lagna > > > Me - 7th (marriage) lord. > > > > > > Father's death: 19/9/86 Dasa:Ve->Ju->Ve > > > Ve-Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 9th (death of > > father). Owns 7th house > > > (maraka stana) from 9th. Placed in 9th (father). > > > Ju - Lord of 2nd house (maraka stana) from 9th (father). Lord > > of 6th (disease) from > > > 9th (father). > > > Ve - (told earlier) > > > Mother's death : 7/08/85 Dasa: Ve->Ju->Sa > > > > > > Ve - Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 4th (death of > > mother). Placed in 6th > > > (diseace/sudden death/accident etc) from 4th. > > > Ju - Lord of 7nd house (maraka stana) from 4th (mother). > > Placed in 2nd house > > > (maraka stana) from 4th (mother) > > > Sa - significator of death. 8th lord from 4th (death of mother) > > > Birth of Son: 12/07/86 Dasa : Ve-Ju-Su > > > Ve - posited in 9th (5th from 5th, indipendantly also > > indicates child birth). 5th drishti > > > of Ju on Ve. (Proper for child birth) > > > Ju - significator of son. placed in 5th (children) from > > Lagna. > > > Su - significator of son (says Mihira) > > > Brother's death: 1/9/2001 Dasa: Mo->Ma->Ju > > > Mo - Placed in 6th (accident/sorrow) 3rd (death) lord form > 3rd > > (brother). > > > Ma - significator of brother. 12th (death) lord from 3rd > > (brother). 7th (maraka stana) > > > lord from 3rd (brother) > > > Ju - 8th lord from 3rd (death of brother). > > > Shifting to new Flat : 9/3/200 Dasa : Su->Ve->Ke > > > Su- planet in 10th, in friends house . (New house or property > > predicted for placement > > > of planet in friends house - as per Phaladeepika). The > > depositor of Su is Ju an exalted > > > planet and Lagna lord. > > > Ve - significator of 4th (house) and lexuries. Placed in 9th. > > Antara of a planet placed > > > in 9th in the dasa of a planet placed in 10th indicates a > > Rajayoga. > > > Ke - placed in 4th (house, living place, flat). It should give > > the results of Me (the 4th lord) placed in 11th (gain).i.e. Gain of > > Flat. > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they > > fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help > > research. > > > <== > > > I hope that clarifies the issue. > > > > > > P.S. Of course you can test the same with Chitrapaksha Ayanamsa > > and 365.2524 day year length. But remember to take Dasa from Lagna > > sputa. Probably that also would fit in with the events. But this > > does not have any support from sanskrit classics. I don't want to > > protect any system, let it be Chandrahari or Chitrapaksha. But of > > course I WILL stand with and appreciate true researches, and would > > love to be with true and sincere seekers of knowledge. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadji, > > > > > > Thank you for your kind reply. > > > > > > Which ayanamsa would you recommend? > > > > > > There is a change of antardashas everytime by a year or so when > > we experiment with different ayanamsas. > > > > > > Ofcourse we can be misled by incorrect birthtime and find fault > > with the ayanamsa. > > > > > > My birthchart cast in Ernakulam at TOB show bal of Surya dasa > as > > 5y 11 m 13d whereas the computer versions show 5y 0m 7d. (my Dob > > 13/01/55 @ Ekm, @ 12 naligais and 12 vinaligais after sunrise - > > approx 1140 hrs I presume). > > > > > > Major events in my life: > > > First job 16/3/81 > > > marriage 12/9/81 > > > father's death 19/9/86 @ 4.30 pm > > > birth of son 12/7/86 @ Chennai 1.40am > > > Mother's death 7/8/1985 > > > brother's death 1/9/2001 @ 1 am > > > Shifting to new flat 9/3/2000 > > > > > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they > > fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help > > research. > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > Regards, > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > - > > > sree nadh > > > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:43 PM > > > Re: Ayanamsa debate > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > ==> > > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? > > > <== > > > They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the > > ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true > > research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa > > as well. > > > ==> > > > I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa > > mathematically. > > > <== > > > Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts > > depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position > > and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!! > > > Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta > speaks > > about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!! > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote: > > > Sree nadh ji, > > > > > > My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down > to > > us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and > > so on. > > > > > > I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have > > been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today > > like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. > > > > > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then? > > > > > > Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the > least. > > > > > > Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of > > the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a > > futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically. > > > > > > The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such > > problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by > > such living greats in our society! > > > > > > May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do > > today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings > > were lost with the passage of time. > > > > > > It was some loud thinking on my part. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Pradeep > > > - > > > sree nadh > > > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM > > > Re: Ayanamsa debate > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > Just one question. > > > In which way these psychics can help us in the study of > > astrology? > > > > > > We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. > > > Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective > > study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of > > astrology like " Nadi system " etc itself that works like a pure > > psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the > > like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever > we > > could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can > > teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with. > > > > > > If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of > > Ayanamsa, then - > > > * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is > > ascribed to there opinions > > > will vanish once they die. > > > * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a > > concept against turbulent > > > wind of time > > > So we should better go for the second choice. > > > > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote: > > > Dear members, > > > > > > May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned > Sri > > Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times > > of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His > > daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic. > > > > > > K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write- ups > on > > astro matters. > > > > > > May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in > > oblivion. > > > > > > If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate > > steps in seeking their knowledge. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > - > > > astrologerashutosh > > > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM > > > Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > I truly understand and accept what you said. > > > > > > But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so > many > > factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary > > positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has > > developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading > > horoscopes. > > > > > > In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu > > calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality > > analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot > > be done so randomly. > > > > > > It is easier for those who are still in basic learning > > process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly > > transits, it is not. > > > > > > It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid > > orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be > logical > > and better than the already practised one. > > > > > > I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way > > of life for me and my only guide and teacher. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > crystal pages > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33 > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashutoshji, > > > > > > I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish! > > > > > > Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract > that > > is a > > > make or break in *my* marriage! > > > > > > I am just being very honest and candid! > > > > > > I hope you can understand and accept that > > > > > > Warmest regards, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " astrologerashutosh " > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > Very wise words. I too believe in a > > sincere > > > marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, > > one > > > should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. > > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > crystal pages > > > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07 > > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashutosh ji > > > > > > > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which > > > according > > > > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused > > and > > > still > > > > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old! > > > > > > > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of > > an > > > astute > > > > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with > > that :-P > > > > > > > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just > > say > > > this: > > > > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even > > when > > > > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of > > love, > > > one > > > > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed > to > > > those > > > > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " astrologerashutosh " > > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the > > Ayana, > > > is > > > > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the > > difference > > > > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) > > planetary > > > > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > > > > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by > > the > > > > government of India. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > crystal pages > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41 > > > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his > > ayanamsha > > > > (which he > > > > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star > > Chitra > > > or > > > > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. > > Similar > > > > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called > Yukteshwar > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji > > Maharaj > > > did > > > > not > > > > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated > > that > > > it > > > > was > > > > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing > > > panchangs > > > > > followed by him). All this has been written with more > > > interesting > > > > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier > > posts, > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave > > us, > > > > Lahiri's > > > > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related > > > astronomy is > > > > the > > > > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were > > based > > > on > > > > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and > > corrections > > > given > > > > by > > > > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s > or > > > > thereabouts > > > > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few > > rare > > > > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, > > > others > > > > were > > > > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. > > Publishing > > > just > > > > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would > not > > do, > > > any > > > > > more! > > > > > > > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri. > > > > > > > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different > > ayanamshas > > > being > > > > like > > > > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, > > yours > > > > would > > > > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not > > work for > > > me > > > > > anymore <LOL> > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " R Satish " > > > > <rsatish1942@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about > my > > > > experience > > > > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called > > > Kotipalli,on > > > > the > > > > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt. > > > > > > > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which > > trains > > > > Hindu > > > > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is > > residential > > > > school. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had > mentioned > > to > > > him > > > > about > > > > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang > > and > > > > Lahiri's > > > > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri > succumbed > > to > > > the > > > > then > > > > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated > > there > > > is a > > > > > > difference of " one pada " ,between the local > > panchang.Hence a > > > > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I > had > > gone > > > to > > > > him > > > > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even > > in my > > > > case, > > > > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the > balance > > of > > > > Chandra > > > > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to > > one's > > > > > experience. > > > > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' > > > stalwarts' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly > > and > > > > indirectly > > > > > > with many in person and in the groups like these > the > > most > > > > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late > K. > > > > Ashwattappa, > > > > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as > > it was > > > > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar > > person, > > > and so > > > > for > > > > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know > the > > > > difference > > > > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec > > and > > > > MAJORITY > > > > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous > > of > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he > > felt he > > > must > > > > try > > > > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many > > cases > > > Rahu > > > > Dasa > > > > > or > > > > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their > > > earlier > > > > part > > > > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or > > Sukra > > > > periods > > > > > that > > > > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait > > til > > > then > > > > end > > > > > of > > > > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place > > can > > > give > > > > at > > > > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF > > MNEXT > > > GURU S > > > > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore > > > Maharaja's > > > > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET > > GOOD > > > > RESULTS > > > > > it > > > > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we > > want > > > the > > > > > subject > > > > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, > > it is > > > > > possible > > > > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother > > left > > > to > > > > ones > > > > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we > > know > > > we > > > > ar > > > > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued > > the > > > > > traditional > > > > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have > > > acknowledged > > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear > > > > prashant ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro > knolwedge > > from > > > > your > > > > > > three > > > > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of > the > > > founding > > > > > > members > > > > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for > > amateurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several > > years > > > and > > > > > > sometimes > > > > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. > > however, > > > after > > > > your > > > > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am > > > getting > > > > the > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. > > > unfortunately, > > > > these > > > > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar > > > G B > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun > > > > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 > Ayanansa's > > in > > > vouge > > > > > prior > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is > > like a > > > > judge > > > > > who > > > > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a > > verdit. > > > HIS > > > > OWN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter > > claims to > > > > deal > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it > more > > a > > > tamil > > > > > > centric > > > > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on > > their > > > EQ > > > > [ego > > > > > > > quotient] > > > > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard > Vakya > > > panchang > > > > no > > > > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was > > made > > > by > > > > one > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name > > so no > > > way > > > > you > > > > > > can > > > > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, > > > Srirangam, > > > > > Tenkasi > > > > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam > > [or > > > snake > > > > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say > > could > > > not > > > > > agree > > > > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder > in > > > India > > > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of > > Major > > > planets > > > > at > > > > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all > > others in > > > > chaos. > > > > > no > > > > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or > > > verifiable > > > > one > > > > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical > > > principles > > > > at > > > > > > least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead > > of RR > > > here > > > > on > > > > > > > storry telling these are true ones though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT > > WAS > > > IN > > > > LONDON > > > > > > or > > > > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a > > case of > > > > Iyangars > > > > > a > > > > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 > > groups > > > in > > > > them > > > > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] > in > > a > > > temple > > > > > > function > > > > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple > > elephant's > > > > > forehaead > > > > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > > > > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y > > with a > > > > middle > > > > > > line > > > > > > > in red] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do > and > > > finally > > > > went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case > > you can > > > > never > > > > > say > > > > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised > > our > > > > calander > > > > > but > > > > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see > > the > > > same > > > > > Moon's > > > > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different > > > holiday > > > > the > > > > > > state > > > > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus > only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and > > former > > > CM. Ms > > > > > JJ, > > > > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs > normally > > the > > > > other > > > > > one > > > > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other > > > directly. > > > > > their > > > > > > mud > > > > > > > slinging is of unique depths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > > calcutta > > > but > > > > > since > > > > > > > varanasi was key centre for > > > > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed > > and > > > studied > > > > as > > > > > > par > > > > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that > what > > > panchang > > > > was > > > > > > used > > > > > > > before lahiri placed his > > > > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations > > used > > > while > > > > > > making > > > > > > > chart in ancient times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > > > Calcutta > > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > Varanasi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > > > > longitudinally or > > > > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours > > of > > > > journey, if > > > > > I > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or > > Sankatmochan > > > or > > > > > Birla > > > > > > > temple and > > > > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same > > prob.. if > > > i > > > > use > > > > > > raman > > > > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also > > changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and > his > > > location > > > > was > > > > > > much > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > to equator in comparison to > > > > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri > > gave his > > > > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > > > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in > > 10th and > > > one > > > > > shows > > > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > > > 9th . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my > > chart > > > > changes > > > > > > and > > > > > > > if i > > > > > > > > > consider true node then too my > > > > > > > > > > chart changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > > > > matching .because > > > > > > > venus and > > > > > > > > > ketu dont give much better > > > > > > > > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name > as > > > Varun > > > > last > > > > > > time!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation > > indeed, > > > > because > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 > > > degrees > > > > apart > > > > > if > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run > > into > > > > another > > > > > > > conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and > > venus > > > are > > > > in > > > > > same > > > > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then > the > > two > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > signs :- > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this > chart > > that > > > > brings > > > > > us > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- " idhar > jaaoon > > yaa > > > > udhar > > > > > > jaaoon - > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > > > > jaoon? " as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not > > react > > > > strongly > > > > > and > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that > > you > > > utilize > > > > > true > > > > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, > mean > > vs > > > true > > > > > nodes, > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us > all > > > engaged > > > > for > > > > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so > few > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And > > yet > > > some > > > > > would > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that > > do > > > not > > > > exists > > > > > > but > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which > > angle > > > you > > > > find > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is > > aspecting > > > lagna > > > > > even > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is > > commencing > > > which > > > > is > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury > > is in > > > his > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > and that > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its > > effects are > > > > null. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible > > in his > > > > > chart.as > > > > > > > mars in > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange > and > > that > > > > will > > > > > > surely > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also > > guide my > > > > answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects > > of 5th > > > > mars > > > > > and > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and > > with > > > god > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has > > got > > > > attracted > > > > > > > towards him > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this > > age > > > where > > > > any > > > > > boy > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will > have > > a > > > love > > > > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, > and > > > jupiter > > > > in > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > wont > > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and > > tht too > > > > very > > > > > good > > > > > > > one, u > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many > > world > > > > > happening > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl > > trade > > > towers > > > > > > > crashing, > > > > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But > > this > > > > combination > > > > > > > often shows > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht > > other > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > can > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > ULTIMATE > > > DIVINITY > > > > AND > > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Sri Chandrahari -- Just curious to know if it has been sent to Sri KN Rao, Sri Sanjay Rath too. Like Vinita asked, I have the same question too. I was not convinced with Sreenadh's reply to Vinita. So I am asking the same Q. How could so many accurate predictions happen with different (not so scientific, if at all) chitrapaksha ayanamsa? If it doesn't sound odd, could I ask your success ratio in predicting? or predicting blind charts in timing of events with your ayanamsa vs. chitrapaksha ayanamsa? regards rAm , " K Chandra Hari " <chandrahari81 wrote: > > > Dear Sreenadh and friends, > > I am seeing the group after a long break due to tight schedules and now > I am writing from Trivandrum as I found you people debating on > ayanamsa. Had astrologers been of scientific habits the 'ayanamsa' > debate would have ended by this time. In Kerala to all Chitrapaksha > Panchanga makers I have send a copy of my latest paper appearing in Ind > Jour of Hist of Science_March 2006, INSA, N.Delhi-2 asking them to > respond scientifically if they intend to have real standardization and > rationalization of Panchangas. Most of the Chakravartis did not turn up > - may be the paper published in the journal had the conclusion with > sufficient proof that the Calendar Reform Committee comitted gross > mistake in understanding and interpreting the polar longitudes of > Suryasiddhanta. Unless it is a sound scientific work is it possible > that such a paper will be accepted by journal. IJHS took 2.5 years to > publish the paper (Aug 2003 to March 2006) to have the paper in print. > It is therefore apparent that the paper had been send to many referees > and has been published because of the irrefutable scientific grounds. > > Here the question is does the astrology community has the spirit and the > knowledge to accept a true scientific work? Pradeep had been interacting > with the PVR group and some of the Gurus have been making silly comments > instead of replying to my scientific works. I have mailed solid data to > PVR but he has not replied to any such mail. His doubts are of the type > - where is Muladhara? When that is answered he will ask why it should be > 240 degree? When the ayanamsa is proved with published data on > Mrtyubhagas, he never answers. A mathematical proof based on > Suryasiddhanta was also mailed to him but he never replied to such > mails. > > It is of no use to waste time with people who pretend to be in sleep. > Those who have the good sense may ponder on the following points: > > 1. How could the ancient people think that their astronomical > computations are not accurate and they needed more accuracy? See, I can > know my measurement as wrong only if I have a standard or scale to > compare. What was that standard in ancient times? > > 2. If astrologers in India says that 'samkrama' is at 10 AM, 1015 AM, > 11AM or say 1700 hrs - how can we ascertain that which of these is > correct? > > 3. If we have no means to ascertain the truth of " SUBHA & ASUBHA " times > given by different panchangas (ephemeris) - what is the credibility of > Jyotisha? > > 4. Is there any relevance to Jyotisha in our lives beyond that of a " Cow > over the page of a book " ? Only lunacy induced by Moon and tidal effects > are the impact of planets on human beings? No other effect? > > 5. What made Varaha Mihira to pray at the outset " Moorthithve... " to > rising Sun for " Vacham nah sa dadathu trilokyadeepo ravi " . How Sun can > give word, vak? > > 6. How is it that Gayatri is able to bestow divine grace on people? How > does Savitru impart his grace? > > Go deeper into Jyotisha - it is a Yogatmaka sastram. Jyotischakram > involves the 'Time Structure of Breathing' and True Zodiac is Mahayogi > and Mahakala. If you can realize a Yogi on the sky, in the path of the > Sun, then the jyotisha that you follow has a meaning. Otherwise it shall > be a psueudoscience as is being preached and practiced by some people on > different groups. > > Hope Sreenadh will be able to make some fresh air blow over world wide > web of naueating discussions on Jyotisha. Some of the lessons that are > being taught to students as researches are really rubbish... > > chandra hari > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear RAma ji, ==> If it doesn't sound odd, could I ask your success ratio in predicting? or predicting blind charts in timing of events with your ayanamsa vs. chitrapaksha ayanamsa? <== Such a question really sounds odd, since Chandrahari is not speaking about his own Ayanamsa, but it was a search (scientific and mathematic research) after the Ayanamsa proposed by a purely astronomical/mathematical text 'the ancient Suryasidhanta'. Every body has his own field of mastery or field in which they can provide valuable logical inputs. We should learn to value individuals for what they are. Hope you can understand the point. P.S. : The value of a contribution and effert can only be understood by an individual, who atleast tried to have an understanding of the efforts of others in the same direction, and understands the value of true efforts. Love, Sreenadh RAma Vootla <vsra_prasad wrote: Sri Chandrahari --Just curious to know if it has been sent to Sri KN Rao, Sri Sanjay Rath too.Like Vinita asked, I have the same question too. I was not convinced with Sreenadh's reply to Vinita. So I am asking the same Q. How could so many accurate predictions happen with different (not so scientific, if at all) chitrapaksha ayanamsa? If it doesn't sound odd, could I ask your success ratio in predicting? or predicting blind charts in timing of events with your ayanamsa vs. chitrapaksha ayanamsa? regardsrAm , "K Chandra Hari" <chandrahari81 wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh and friends,> > I am seeing the group after a long break due to tight schedules and now> I am writing from Trivandrum as I found you people debating on> ayanamsa. Had astrologers been of scientific habits the 'ayanamsa'> debate would have ended by this time. In Kerala to all Chitrapaksha> Panchanga makers I have send a copy of my latest paper appearing in Ind> Jour of Hist of Science_March 2006, INSA, N.Delhi-2 asking them to> respond scientifically if they intend to have real standardization and> rationalization of Panchangas. Most of the Chakravartis did not turn up> - may be the paper published in the journal had the conclusion with> sufficient proof that the Calendar Reform Committee comitted gross> mistake in understanding and interpreting the polar longitudes of> Suryasiddhanta. Unless it is a sound scientific work is it possible> that such a paper will be accepted by journal. IJHS took 2.5 years to> publish the paper (Aug 2003 to March 2006) to have the paper in print.> It is therefore apparent that the paper had been send to many referees> and has been published because of the irrefutable scientific grounds.> > Here the question is does the astrology community has the spirit and the> knowledge to accept a true scientific work? Pradeep had been interacting> with the PVR group and some of the Gurus have been making silly comments> instead of replying to my scientific works. I have mailed solid data to> PVR but he has not replied to any such mail. His doubts are of the type> - where is Muladhara? When that is answered he will ask why it should be> 240 degree? When the ayanamsa is proved with published data on> Mrtyubhagas, he never answers. A mathematical proof based on> Suryasiddhanta was also mailed to him but he never replied to such> mails.> > It is of no use to waste time with people who pretend to be in sleep.> Those who have the good sense may ponder on the following points:> > 1. How could the ancient people think that their astronomical> computations are not accurate and they needed more accuracy? See, I can> know my measurement as wrong only if I have a standard or scale to> compare. What was that standard in ancient times?> > 2. If astrologers in India says that 'samkrama' is at 10 AM, 1015 AM,> 11AM or say 1700 hrs - how can we ascertain that which of these is> correct?> > 3. If we have no means to ascertain the truth of "SUBHA & ASUBHA" times> given by different panchangas (ephemeris) - what is the credibility of> Jyotisha?> > 4. Is there any relevance to Jyotisha in our lives beyond that of a "Cow> over the page of a book"? Only lunacy induced by Moon and tidal effects> are the impact of planets on human beings? No other effect?> > 5. What made Varaha Mihira to pray at the outset "Moorthithve..." to> rising Sun for "Vacham nah sa dadathu trilokyadeepo ravi". How Sun can> give word, vak?> > 6. How is it that Gayatri is able to bestow divine grace on people? How> does Savitru impart his grace?> > Go deeper into Jyotisha - it is a Yogatmaka sastram. Jyotischakram> involves the 'Time Structure of Breathing' and True Zodiac is Mahayogi> and Mahakala. If you can realize a Yogi on the sky, in the path of the> Sun, then the jyotisha that you follow has a meaning. Otherwise it shall> be a psueudoscience as is being preached and practiced by some people on> different groups.> > Hope Sreenadh will be able to make some fresh air blow over world wide> web of naueating discussions on Jyotisha. Some of the lessons that are> being taught to students as researches are really rubbish...> > chandra hari> > > > > > > > -> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, ==> The limited point i was trying to make is that with the correct Ayanamsha we should be correct 100 per cent of the time . If that were so, predictions should never go wrong using the correct ayanamsha. <== Wrong - Ayanamsa is important. But it one of the most important facters that determine "the accuracy of the tool or instrument" (for us it is the Horoscope) This tool is used to predict the probability of an event, like trying to measure the wave or wind. Now comes, the actual measuring done, i.e Prediction. It depends largely on the tool and the understanding of the individual who is measuring, and also on the circumstances he experience. P.S. : Statutory warning :- Depending too much on examples is injurious to thinking! The same goes for percentage maths used in non-statistical context as well. ==> For most of us who may take lifetimes just to get the breath "right", even a scientific study of the subject may not get us very far.<== Lolllzzzzzzz........ I agree with. ) ==>Sorry to sound pessimistic, :( on an otherwise smiley forum - but this is only a personal viewpoint, and i hope i am wrong.==> Don't worry I too hope you are. ==> This of course doesn’t take away from the immense charm and romance of trying to know / learn something about astrology which for some inexplicable reason holds a lot of fascination for most of us.............. <== Yap, that is the spirit!! I agree to it completely. (err...sorry...except the last part which was edited since I think only time can decide this study will get us anywhere or not) Love, Sreenadh vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: Dear Shreenadhji,Thankyou for your response.As u must know, i do not understand the technicalities of the ayanamsha debate with my present stage of knowledge and intelligence. The limited point i was trying to make is that with the correct Ayanamsha we should be correct 100 per cent of the time (and not just twice a day as with a dead clock). If that were so, predictions should never go wrong using the correct ayanamsha.OF course, then comes the question of interpretation. Even if we are using the correct ayanamsha, our interpretation based on imperfect knowledge may still go wrong.The only reason i mentioned "divya dristi" is that astrology was the preserve of sages in ancient times who had "perfect knowledge". In kaliyuga with every other person (including myself) trying to make sense of astrology, I suppose we cannot get very far, no matter how scientific our approach may be. Of course, this should exclude some people like Chandra Hari ji who can make such a profound statement as:"Jyotishchakram involves the 'Time Structure of Breathing' and True Zodiac is Mahayogi and Mahakala"For most of us who may take lifetimes just to get the breath "right", even a scientific study of the subject may not get us very far.Sorry to sound pessimistic, :( on an otherwise smiley forum - but this is only a personal viewpoint, and i hope i am wrong.This of course dosn't take away from the immense charm and romance of trying to know / learn something about astrology which for some inexplicable reason holds a lot of fascination for most of us, even though such a study may not get us very far.....Love,Vinita , sree nadh <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Vinita ji,> ==>> But how is it that people using different Ayanamsas can also > read the same clock fairly accurately sometimes? If there is only one > correct Ayanamsa how do you explain accurate predictions using other > Ayanamsas? > <==> Answer told earlier many times, i will repeat it. Based on any point in a circle, intuitive people can derive a system that reflects truth for a short span of time (may be 50 -100 years). But if we need a system that holds good for generations, even thousands of years, there should a system based on a UNIQUE point which has some special importance, which is mathematically important, and depicts the true rhythm for long. For example, if you imagine an ellipse to be a circle, and use the formula of the circle to read the movement of a particle through it, surely it holds good for some time, but fails soon. We need to understand that it is an ellipse and use the formula of ellipse to read the movement of that particle for long. Another example - Even a dead clock will show correct time, 2 times a day. > ==>> Now how many elders are there? And how many books / palm leaves are > there? Each says something different from the other. Which elder to > listen to?> <==> There is only two methods - better combine these two. > 1) Seek the common thread; follow the ideas that are common to all. OR> 2) Follow the method taught by the eldest ones among the many books > (i.e. we need to follow Rishi Horas)> So in short follow Rishi horas, and at the same time seek and follow the ideas that are common to all of them. > ==>> It is for this reason i would tend to lean towards what Pradeepji was > saying about "Divya Dristi" which the sages had.> <==> Is there a method to teach Divya Drishti? Do you have Divya Drishti? How to know that the drishti (view) is Divya? Can't it be your hallucination? What it the path to attain true intuition? Is it not Yoga and meditation? Are you practicing it? If so will you speak about such things? There are many questions. > > P.S. : YOGA is divided into four sections.> 1) Yoga exercises> 2) Yoga Asanas (sitting postures)> 3) Pranayama (Breath exercises)> 4) Meditation> In Patanjala Yoga this sequence is important and the first 3 is the path to attain the fourth. Meditation is at the top. (Don't go further, I am holding some comments here). We can divide them into 2 sections :> 1) Yoga exercise and Yoga Asanas> 2) Pranayama and Meditation.> The new gurus like Osho and Rasi sankar has turned this order, since today people fail to follow the Patanjala system. They are making people experience the 2nd one first, so that they would naturally start practicing the 1st. It like making somebody taste the honey first, so that later they will go in search of it, putting in their full efforts.> > Just passing a bit of info Yoga. So remember that when somebody uses the word YOGA he mean all these 4 steps or sections or what ever you call it. > Love,> Sreendah> > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote:> > Dear Shreenadh,> > I agree that reading the time from the clock is what astrology is all > about. But how is it that people using different ayanamsas can also > read the same clock fairly accurately sometimes? If there is only one > correct ayanamsa how do you explain accurate predictions using other > ayanamsas? > > U have written: > Now we don't know even how to read that clock! We should search the > books written by those elders and find out how they did it. > > Now how many elders are there? And how many books / palm leaves are > there? Each says something different from the other. Which elder to > listern to?> > It is for this reason i would tend to lean towards what Pradeepji was > saying about "Divya Dristi" which the sages had. Astrology, perhaps > cannot be learnt entirely from books! :)> > Love,> Vinita> > > > > , sree nadh > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Vinita ji,> > Your example is good. > > ==>> > "Yes perceptions make a big difference.> > Like example of who is running the train:> > -engine is running the train.> > -tracks are running the train.> > -fuel [diesel or electric] is running the train.> > -station master controls and runs the train.> > -engine driver controls the engine and runs the train.> > -zonal HQ run all the train and control them.> > -it is rail minister or rail ministry who control and run the train.> > -or guard control or runs the train.> > <==> > But let me give you another example - A clock. > > A clock works due to many internal mechanisms and we are trying > to know time from it which is not at all related to the clock. What > we need to know is simply how read time from the clock in the same > way as told to us by our elders. As far as astrology is concerned > you can replace the word elders with Rishis, clock with horoscope and > time with results in previous sentence. Neither the internal > mechanisms of the clock nor the intricacies of the patterns of time > that we are trying to read from it is not important as far as reading > time by looking at a clock is concerned. > > > > Let that zigzagging neutrinos there be in there frame in that > patterns of time, and clock with its own intricacies in its own frame > and the simple reading method for the normal simple astrologer. But > alas! Now we don't know even how to read that clock! We should search > the books written by those elders and find out how they did it. > > > > P.S: It is not good to depend too much on examples. Taking > models for reality and then attributing the limitations of the model > to reality is one of the mistake that had caused so many confusions > is studies of many subjects somebody says. Who? - I don't know. For > now let it be me. > > > > Note- Thanks for the message. It was really good. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> > Dear Shreenadh,> > > > I do admire u for your scientific study of astrology. But when i > > went thru your private message to Pradeepji i couldn't help > thinking > > how (relatively) easy it is to correlate dates with events when u > > actually know the events that have taken place. Supposing u had not > > known about these events, would it have been possible to predict > > with the same certainty?> > > > One is the patterns and rythms in time that make it "conducive" for > > something to happen. The probabalities, some which can be > actualised > > and some which cannot be actualised. There could be so many > > permutations and combinations that point towards an event > happening. > > Like the dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha that u have used > > for "fitting in" the event with the rythm/pattern of time. But do > > these rythms not occur and recur in our lives and sometimes the > same > > events may not happen? (Neutrinoes zig zagging in space - we cannot > > be certain of their path of motion)> > > > The other is our interpretation of these events. The interpretation > > has to differ depending on our perception. What "drives" an event > > (i.e., what dasha, antardasha, pratyantardasha)? I leave u with a > > quote of a person i respect in the field of KP astrology about the > > interpretation of "drivers" of the rail engine"> > > > "Yes perceptions make a big difference.> > Like example of who is running the train:> > -engine is running the train.> > -tracks are running the train.> > -fuel [diesal or electric] is running the train.> > -station master controls and runs the train.> > -engine driver controls the engine and runs the train.> > -zonal HQ run all the train and control them.> > -it is rail minister or rail minidtry who control and run the train.> > -or guard control or runs the train.> > etc.> > If you are seeing a horoscope/chart you can see different aspects > in > > different perceptions and with different mind frames."> > Inder> > > > So probably some "divya driti" is necessary to make sense of the > > whole thing (perhaps?).> > > > Love,> > Vinita> > > > > > , sree nadh > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > The following is a private mail conversation between me and > > Pradeep ji. I am posting it here with his permission.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > I assume that your birth took place in Eranakulam, since only > > that place name is mentioned in your mail. BT: 11:40:30 (Kunda > falls > > in the trine star of Ravati, i.e. Jyeshta. Only Kunda rectification > > applied assuming that the given BT almost correct)> > > DOB: 13/01/1955 BT: 11:40:30 Place:Ernakulam, Kerala> > > In your chart Lagna sign is stronger since, the Lagna lord is > > exalted and aspects Lagna with 9th speciall (full) drishti. > > Therefore, Dasa starting from Lagna star is used. > > > Chandra hari Ayanamsa (True ayanamsa as per Surya sidhanta) and > > 360 day year length.> > > Pradeep - Natal Chart> > > > > > January 13, 1955> > > Time: 11:40:30 am> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 76 E 17' 00", 9 N 59' 00"> > > Ernakulam, India> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Pushya> > > Tithi: Krishna Panchami (Ju) (1.93% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)> > > Nakshatra: Uttara Phalguni (Su) (83.82% left)> > > Yoga: Sobhana (Su) (65.91% left)> > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (3.86% left)> > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)> > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)> > > > > > Sunrise: 6:48:10 am> > > Sunset: 6:18:42 pm> > > Janma Ghatis: 12.1806> > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-14-01.70> > > Sidereal Time: 18:43:27> > > > > > +--------------+> > > |As Ma | | |Ke |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |Md Gk | |JuR |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > > |Me | |Mo |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |Su Ra |Ve |Sa | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > +--------------+> > > > > > > > > First Job: 16/03/81 : Dasa : Ve->Ma->Ra > > > Ve - 8th (house of livelihood) lord > > > Ma - 2nd (Indicaing income) and 9th (luck) lord. Karaka for > > 10 th house. Placed in > > > Lagna indicating a relation with Lagna> > > Ra - Planet in 10th house (Job)> > > Marriage : 12/9/81: Dasa : Ve->Ma->Me> > > Ve - 8th (mangalya stana) lord. significator of marriage. > > > Ma - 2nd (own family) lord. 9th (in 9th Ve is posiged) lord. > > placed in Lagna> > > Me - 7th (marriage) lord.> > > > > > Father's death: 19/9/86 Dasa:Ve->Ju->Ve> > > Ve-Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 9th (death of > > father). Owns 7th house > > > (maraka stana) from 9th. Placed in 9th (father). > > > Ju - Lord of 2nd house (maraka stana) from 9th (father). Lord > > of 6th (disease) from > > > 9th (father). > > > Ve - (told earlier)> > > Mother's death : 7/08/85 Dasa: Ve->Ju->Sa> > > > > > Ve - Lord of 8th (death) house. 12th lord from 4th (death of > > mother). Placed in 6th > > > (diseace/sudden death/accident etc) from 4th.> > > Ju - Lord of 7nd house (maraka stana) from 4th (mother). > > Placed in 2nd house > > > (maraka stana) from 4th (mother)> > > Sa - significator of death. 8th lord from 4th (death of mother)> > > Birth of Son: 12/07/86 Dasa : Ve-Ju-Su> > > Ve - posited in 9th (5th from 5th, indipendantly also > > indicates child birth). 5th drishti > > > of Ju on Ve. (Proper for child birth)> > > Ju - significator of son. placed in 5th (children) from > > Lagna. > > > Su - significator of son (says Mihira)> > > Brother's death: 1/9/2001 Dasa: Mo->Ma->Ju> > > Mo - Placed in 6th (accident/sorrow) 3rd (death) lord form > 3rd > > (brother).> > > Ma - significator of brother. 12th (death) lord from 3rd > > (brother). 7th (maraka stana) > > > lord from 3rd (brother)> > > Ju - 8th lord from 3rd (death of brother). > > > Shifting to new Flat : 9/3/200 Dasa : Su->Ve->Ke> > > Su- planet in 10th, in friends house . (New house or property > > predicted for placement > > > of planet in friends house - as per Phaladeepika). The > > depositor of Su is Ju an exalted > > > planet and Lagna lord.> > > Ve - significator of 4th (house) and lexuries. Placed in 9th. > > Antara of a planet placed > > > in 9th in the dasa of a planet placed in 10th indicates a > > Rajayoga.> > > Ke - placed in 4th (house, living place, flat). It should give > > the results of Me (the 4th lord) placed in 11th (gain).i.e. Gain of > > Flat.> > > > > > ==> > > > > > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they > > fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help > > research.> > > <==> > > I hope that clarifies the issue. > > > > > > P.S. Of course you can test the same with Chitrapaksha Ayanamsa > > and 365.2524 day year length. But remember to take Dasa from Lagna > > sputa. Probably that also would fit in with the events. But this > > does not have any support from sanskrit classics. I don't want to > > protect any system, let it be Chandrahari or Chitrapaksha. But of > > course I WILL stand with and appreciate true researches, and would > > love to be with true and sincere seekers of knowledge.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Sreenadji,> > > > > > Thank you for your kind reply.> > > > > > Which ayanamsa would you recommend?> > > > > > There is a change of antardashas everytime by a year or so when > > we experiment with different ayanamsas. > > > > > > Ofcourse we can be misled by incorrect birthtime and find fault > > with the ayanamsa.> > > > > > My birthchart cast in Ernakulam at TOB show bal of Surya dasa > as > > 5y 11 m 13d whereas the computer versions show 5y 0m 7d. (my Dob > > 13/01/55 @ Ekm, @ 12 naligais and 12 vinaligais after sunrise - > > approx 1140 hrs I presume).> > > > > > Major events in my life:> > > First job 16/3/81> > > marriage 12/9/81> > > father's death 19/9/86 @ 4.30 pm> > > birth of son 12/7/86 @ Chennai 1.40am> > > Mother's death 7/8/1985> > > brother's death 1/9/2001 @ 1 am> > > Shifting to new flat 9/3/2000> > > > > > The above are just for your info to help find out whether they > > fit into any particular ayanamsa. Maybe this kind of info can help > > research.> > > > > > Thank you very much,> > > > > > Regards,> > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > - > > > sree nadh > > > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:43 PM> > > Re: Ayanamsa debate> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > ==>> > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then?> > > <==> > > They (At least the followers of Surya sidhanta) used the > > ayanamsa mentioned by that. And that is clarified again by true > > research and now a days known also by the name Chandrahari ayanamsa > > as well. > > > ==>> > > I thought it is a futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa > > mathematically.> > > <==> > > Even all the Rishis who wrote all these sydhantic texts > > depended on mathematics to clarify and calculate planetory position > > and ayanamsa then who are we to say it is futile!!!> > > Surya Jathakam (By the Rishi Surya) and Brahamsa sidhanta > speaks > > about the use of Ayanamsa. Are we going to challenge that !!!> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:> > > Sree nadh ji,> > > > > > My feeling is that when many basics of jyotish have come down > to > > us from mystic origins....like the dasa periods for each graha and > > so on.> > > > > > I really wonder sometimes what great geniuses they must have > > been to work out charts without all the facilities we have today > > like accurate clocks and lat/long of a place. > > > > > > How did they cast charts then .... what ayanamsa they used then?> > > > > > Their intuition must have been really fantastic to say the > least.> > > > > > Today everyone is uncertain about the ayanamsa. This inspite of > > the many intellectual giants amongst us today. So I thought it is a > > futile exercise to speculate on the ayanamsa mathematically.> > > > > > The great Rishis were intuitive or psychic. Obviously then such > > problems as relating to ayanamsa could perhaps be solved only by > > such living greats in our society!> > > > > > May be we could explain it all later on ... just like we do > > today regarding many of our customs and traditions whose meanings > > were lost with the passage of time.> > > > > > It was some loud thinking on my part.> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Pradeep> > > - > > > sree nadh > > > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:21 PM> > > Re: Ayanamsa debate> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > Just one question. > > > In which way these psychics can help us in the study of > > astrology? > > > > > > We are trying to learn astrology and not psychic methods. > > > Of course we should respect their abilities, but objective > > study of the same is almost impossible. There are many branches of > > astrology like "Nadi system" etc itself that works like a pure > > psychic system. If we start a discussion group in Delhi or the > > like, we can invite such people, so that we could learn what ever > we > > could get from them. But for now, we are even unaware what they can > > teach us, or what astrology related info they can provide us with.> > > > > > If you are mentioning the name of Psychics for the selection of > > Ayanamsa, then -> > > * Psychics are also human beings and the value that is > > ascribed to there opinions > > > will vanish once they die. > > > * Only Mata metical/logical/experimental proof can hold a > > concept against turbulent > > > wind of time> > > So we should better go for the second choice. > > > > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > Pradeep <psd1955@> wrote:> > > Dear members,> > > > > > May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned > Sri > > Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times > > of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His > > daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic.> > > > > > K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups > on > > astro matters.> > > > > > May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in > > oblivion.> > > > > > If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate > > steps in seeking their knowledge.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > - > > > astrologerashutosh > > > > > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM> > > Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,> > > > > > I truly understand and accept what you said.> > > > > > But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so > many > > factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary > > positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has > > developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading > > horoscopes.> > > > > > In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu > > calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality > > analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot > > be done so randomly. > > > > > > It is easier for those who are still in basic learning > > process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly > > transits, it is not. > > > > > > It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid > > orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be > logical > > and better than the already practised one. > > > > > > I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way > > of life for me and my only guide and teacher. > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Ashutosh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > crystal pages > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33> > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > > > > Dear Ashutoshji,> > > > > > I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish!> > > > > > Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract > that > > is a > > > make or break in *my* marriage!> > > > > > I am just being very honest and candid!> > > > > > I hope you can understand and accept that> > > > > > Warmest regards,> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Rohini Ji,> > > > > > > > Very wise words. I too believe in a > > sincere > > > marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, > > one > > > should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. > > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Ashutosh> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > crystal pages > > > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07> > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashutosh ji> > > > > > > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which > > > according > > > > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused > > and > > > still > > > > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old!> > > > > > > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of > > an > > > astute > > > > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with > > that :-P> > > > > > > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just > > say > > > this: > > > > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even > > when > > > > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of > > love, > > > one > > > > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed > to > > > those > > > > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!!> > > > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,> > > > > > > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the > > Ayana, > > > is > > > > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the > > difference > > > > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) > > planetary > > > > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > > > > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by > > the > > > > government of India. > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > crystal pages > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41> > > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji,> > > > > > > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his > > ayanamsha > > > > (which he > > > > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star > > Chitra > > > or > > > > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. > > Similar > > > > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called > Yukteshwar > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji > > Maharaj > > > did > > > > not > > > > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated > > that > > > it > > > > was > > > > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing > > > panchangs > > > > > followed by him). All this has been written with more > > > interesting > > > > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier > > posts, > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave > > us, > > > > Lahiri's > > > > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related > > > astronomy is > > > > the > > > > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were > > based > > > on > > > > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and > > corrections > > > given > > > > by > > > > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s > or > > > > thereabouts > > > > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few > > rare > > > > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, > > > others > > > > were > > > > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. > > Publishing > > > just > > > > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would > not > > do, > > > any > > > > > more! > > > > > > > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri.> > > > > > > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different > > ayanamshas > > > being > > > > like > > > > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, > > yours > > > > would > > > > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not > > work for > > > me > > > > > anymore <LOL>> > > > > > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "R Satish" > > > > <rsatish1942@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about > my > > > > experience > > > > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called > > > Kotipalli,on > > > > the > > > > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt.> > > > > > > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which > > trains > > > > Hindu > > > > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is > > residential > > > > school.> > > > > > > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had > mentioned > > to > > > him > > > > about > > > > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang > > and > > > > Lahiri's > > > > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri > succumbed > > to > > > the > > > > then > > > > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated > > there > > > is a > > > > > > difference of" one pada",between the local > > panchang.Hence a > > > > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I > had > > gone > > > to > > > > him > > > > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even > > in my > > > > case, > > > > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the > balance > > of > > > > Chandra > > > > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference.> > > > > > > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to > > one's > > > > > experience.> > > > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' > > > stalwarts' .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly > > and > > > > indirectly > > > > > > with many in person and in the groups like these > the > > most > > > > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late > K. > > > > Ashwattappa, > > > > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as > > it was > > > > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar > > person, > > > and so > > > > for > > > > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know > the > > > > difference > > > > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec > > and > > > > MAJORITY > > > > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous > > of > > > him.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he > > felt he > > > must > > > > try > > > > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many > > cases > > > Rahu > > > > Dasa > > > > > or > > > > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their > > > earlier > > > > part > > > > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or > > Sukra > > > > periods > > > > > that > > > > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait > > til > > > then > > > > end > > > > > of > > > > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place > > can > > > give > > > > at > > > > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF > > MNEXT > > > GURU S > > > > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore > > > Maharaja's > > > > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET > > GOOD > > > > RESULTS > > > > > it > > > > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we > > want > > > the > > > > > subject > > > > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, > > it is > > > > > possible > > > > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother > > left > > > to > > > > ones > > > > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we > > know > > > we > > > > ar > > > > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued > > the > > > > > traditional > > > > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have > > > acknowledged > > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear > > > > prashant ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro > knolwedge > > from > > > > your > > > > > > three > > > > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of > the > > > founding > > > > > > members > > > > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for > > amateurs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several > > years > > > and > > > > > > sometimes > > > > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. > > however, > > > after > > > > your > > > > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am > > > getting > > > > the > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. > > > unfortunately, > > > > these > > > > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar > > > G B > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi Tarun> > > > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 > Ayanansa's > > in > > > vouge > > > > > prior > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is > > like a > > > > judge > > > > > who > > > > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a > > verdit. > > > HIS > > > > OWN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter > > claims to > > > > deal > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it > more > > a > > > tamil > > > > > > centric > > > > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on > > their > > > EQ > > > > [ego > > > > > > > quotient] > > > > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard > Vakya > > > panchang > > > > no > > > > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was > > made > > > by > > > > one > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name > > so no > > > way > > > > you > > > > > > can > > > > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, > > > Srirangam, > > > > > Tenkasi > > > > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam > > [or > > > snake > > > > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say > > could > > > not > > > > > agree > > > > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder > in > > > India > > > > agree?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of > > Major > > > planets > > > > at > > > > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all > > others in > > > > chaos. > > > > > no > > > > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or > > > verifiable > > > > one > > > > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical > > > principles > > > > at > > > > > > least.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead > > of RR > > > here > > > > on > > > > > > > storry telling these are true ones though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT > > WAS > > > IN > > > > LONDON > > > > > > or > > > > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a > > case of > > > > Iyangars > > > > > a > > > > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 > > groups > > > in > > > > them > > > > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] > in > > a > > > temple > > > > > > function > > > > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple > > elephant's > > > > > forehaead > > > > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark> > > > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y > > with a > > > > middle > > > > > > line > > > > > > > in red]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do > and > > > finally > > > > went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case > > you can > > > > never > > > > > say > > > > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised > > our > > > > calander > > > > > but > > > > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see > > the > > > same > > > > > Moon's > > > > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different > > > holiday > > > > the > > > > > > state > > > > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus > only.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and > > former > > > CM. Ms > > > > > JJ, > > > > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs > normally > > the > > > > other > > > > > one > > > > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other > > > directly. > > > > > their > > > > > > mud > > > > > > > slinging is of unique depths.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > > calcutta > > > but > > > > > since > > > > > > > varanasi was key centre for> > > > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed > > and > > > studied > > > > as > > > > > > par > > > > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that > what > > > panchang > > > > was > > > > > > used > > > > > > > before lahiri placed his> > > > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations > > used > > > while > > > > > > making > > > > > > > chart in ancient times.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun> > > > > > > > www.thevinayak.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in > > > Calcutta > > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > Varanasi!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference > > > > longitudinally or > > > > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours > > of > > > > journey, if > > > > > I > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or > > Sankatmochan > > > or > > > > > Birla > > > > > > > temple and > > > > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same > > prob.. if > > > i > > > > use > > > > > > raman > > > > > > > ayanamsa > > > > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months.> > > > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also > > changes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and > his > > > location > > > > was > > > > > > much > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > to equator in comparison to> > > > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri > > gave his > > > > > > > calculations) so > > > > > > > > > the diff is easily expected.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983> > > > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am> > > > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in > > 10th and > > > one > > > > > shows > > > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > > > 9th .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my > > chart > > > > changes > > > > > > and > > > > > > > if i > > > > > > > > > consider true node then too my> > > > > > > > > > chart changes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > > > > > matching .because > > > > > > > venus and > > > > > > > > > ketu dont give much better> > > > > > > > > > results as she is descibing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji,> > > > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name > as > > > Varun > > > > last > > > > > > time!>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation > > indeed, > > > > because > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 > > > degrees > > > > apart > > > > > if > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run > > into > > > > another > > > > > > > conundrum!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and > > venus > > > are > > > > in > > > > > same > > > > > > > sign and > > > > > > > > > > > house (9th)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then > the > > two > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > signs :-> > > > > > > > > > > )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this > chart > > that > > > > brings > > > > > us > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar > jaaoon > > yaa > > > > udhar > > > > > > jaaoon -> > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not > > react > > > > strongly > > > > > and > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that > > you > > > utilize > > > > > true > > > > > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, > mean > > vs > > > true > > > > > nodes, > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us > all > > > engaged > > > > for > > > > > > > lifetimes? > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so > few > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And > > yet > > > some > > > > > would > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that > > do > > > not > > > > exists > > > > > > but > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ???> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which > > angle > > > you > > > > find > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > combination in his chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is > > aspecting > > > lagna > > > > > even > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is > > commencing > > > which > > > > is > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury > > is in > > > his > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > and that > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but> > > > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its > > effects are > > > > null.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible > > in his > > > > > chart.as > > > > > > > mars in > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do> > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange > and > > that > > > > will > > > > > > surely > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also > > guide my > > > > answers> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects > > of 5th > > > > mars > > > > > and > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > > > > > per lal kitab.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981> > > > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08> > > > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and > > with > > > god > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has > > got > > > > attracted > > > > > > > towards him > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this > > age > > > where > > > > any > > > > > boy > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > easily > > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > gf.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will > have > > a > > > love > > > > > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, > and > > > jupiter > > > > in > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > wont > > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and > > tht too > > > > very > > > > > good > > > > > > > one, u > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many > > world > > > > > happening > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl > > trade > > > towers > > > > > > > crashing, > > > > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But > > this > > > > combination > > > > > > > often shows > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > described things.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht > > other > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > can > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > ULTIMATE > > > DIVINITY > > > > AND > > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Sri Sreenadh -- My only point was how does this ayanamsa fare vis a vis chitrapaksha ayanamsa. Every theory has to be supported by practicality. It would be more convincing, if atleast 2 or 3 charts are taken and shown to us that with chitrapaksha ayanamsa so and so timing of event cannot be ascertained, but with chandrahari it can be shown...something like that. Actually it should not be odd. I only mentioned it to ensure Sri Chandrahari doesn't take it as a challenge / protest. Also, i am sure you know there are atleast few more " scientifically " proven ayanamsas already floating in different groups. Each of them gave reasons why theirs is correct. I am no expert on it, but I have been witness to some mails between Sri {Chandrahari, PVR, Vijaydas P, Vishnu Jandhyala, DhiraKrsna, etc.) on this issue. That was inconclusive debate. If anyone still thumps his chest about their winning from that debate I beg to disagree. From what I have seen on those discussions, one school didnot agree with the other, as simple as that. Lastly, if Sri Chandrahari's ayanamsa is proved accurate I would willingly accept it. From the previous debates also, most of them say that it has to be time tested and then proven until then I am free to have my doubts. Regarding your " P.S.:.. " I understand your respect from Sri CH, but give me the benefit of doubt -rAm , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear RAma ji, > ==> > If it doesn't sound odd, could I ask your success ratio in > predicting? or predicting blind charts in timing of events with your > ayanamsa vs. chitrapaksha ayanamsa? > <== > Such a question really sounds odd, since Chandrahari is not speaking about his own Ayanamsa, but it was a search (scientific and mathematic research) after the Ayanamsa proposed by a purely astronomical/mathematical text 'the ancient Suryasidhanta'. > Every body has his own field of mastery or field in which they can provide valuable logical inputs. We should learn to value individuals for what they are. Hope you can understand the point. > > > P.S. : The value of a contribution and effert can only be understood by an individual, who atleast tried to have an understanding of the efforts of others in the same direction, and understands the value of true efforts. > Love, > Sreenadh > > RAma Vootla <vsra_prasad wrote: > > Sri Chandrahari -- > Just curious to know if it has been sent to Sri KN Rao, Sri Sanjay > Rath too. > > Like Vinita asked, I have the same question too. I was not convinced > with Sreenadh's reply to Vinita. So I am asking the same Q. How could > so many accurate predictions happen with different (not so > scientific, if at all) chitrapaksha ayanamsa? > > If it doesn't sound odd, could I ask your success ratio in > predicting? or predicting blind charts in timing of events with your > ayanamsa vs. chitrapaksha ayanamsa? > > regards > rAm > > > > > > , " K Chandra Hari " > <chandrahari81@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh and friends, > > > > I am seeing the group after a long break due to tight schedules and > now > > I am writing from Trivandrum as I found you people debating on > > ayanamsa. Had astrologers been of scientific habits the 'ayanamsa' > > debate would have ended by this time. In Kerala to all Chitrapaksha > > Panchanga makers I have send a copy of my latest paper appearing in > Ind > > Jour of Hist of Science_March 2006, INSA, N.Delhi-2 asking them to > > respond scientifically if they intend to have real standardization > and > > rationalization of Panchangas. Most of the Chakravartis did not > turn up > > - may be the paper published in the journal had the conclusion with > > sufficient proof that the Calendar Reform Committee comitted gross > > mistake in understanding and interpreting the polar longitudes of > > Suryasiddhanta. Unless it is a sound scientific work is it possible > > that such a paper will be accepted by journal. IJHS took 2.5 years > to > > publish the paper (Aug 2003 to March 2006) to have the paper in > print. > > It is therefore apparent that the paper had been send to many > referees > > and has been published because of the irrefutable scientific > grounds. > > > > Here the question is does the astrology community has the spirit > and the > > knowledge to accept a true scientific work? Pradeep had been > interacting > > with the PVR group and some of the Gurus have been making silly > comments > > instead of replying to my scientific works. I have mailed solid > data to > > PVR but he has not replied to any such mail. His doubts are of the > type > > - where is Muladhara? When that is answered he will ask why it > should be > > 240 degree? When the ayanamsa is proved with published data on > > Mrtyubhagas, he never answers. A mathematical proof based on > > Suryasiddhanta was also mailed to him but he never replied to such > > mails. > > > > It is of no use to waste time with people who pretend to be in > sleep. > > Those who have the good sense may ponder on the following points: > > > > 1. How could the ancient people think that their astronomical > > computations are not accurate and they needed more accuracy? See, I > can > > know my measurement as wrong only if I have a standard or scale to > > compare. What was that standard in ancient times? > > > > 2. If astrologers in India says that 'samkrama' is at 10 AM, 1015 > AM, > > 11AM or say 1700 hrs - how can we ascertain that which of these is > > correct? > > > > 3. If we have no means to ascertain the truth of " SUBHA & ASUBHA " > times > > given by different panchangas (ephemeris) - what is the credibility > of > > Jyotisha? > > > > 4. Is there any relevance to Jyotisha in our lives beyond that of > a " Cow > > over the page of a book " ? Only lunacy induced by Moon and tidal > effects > > are the impact of planets on human beings? No other effect? > > > > 5. What made Varaha Mihira to pray at the outset " Moorthithve... " to > > rising Sun for " Vacham nah sa dadathu trilokyadeepo ravi " . How Sun > can > > give word, vak? > > > > 6. How is it that Gayatri is able to bestow divine grace on people? > How > > does Savitru impart his grace? > > > > Go deeper into Jyotisha - it is a Yogatmaka sastram. Jyotischakram > > involves the 'Time Structure of Breathing' and True Zodiac is > Mahayogi > > and Mahakala. If you can realize a Yogi on the sky, in the path of > the > > Sun, then the jyotisha that you follow has a meaning. Otherwise it > shall > > be a psueudoscience as is being preached and practiced by some > people on > > different groups. > > > > Hope Sreenadh will be able to make some fresh air blow over world > wide > > web of naueating discussions on Jyotisha. Some of the lessons that > are > > being taught to students as researches are really rubbish... > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Dear RAma ji, ==> > It would be more convincing, if at least 2 or 3 charts are taken and > shown to us that with chitrapaksha ayanamsa so and so timing of > event cannot be ascertained, but with chandrahari it can be > shown... <== Why 2 or 3 chart? We can try doing it in ANY chart here onwards, as the time permits. ==> > Lastly, if Sri Chandrahari's ayanamsa is proved accurate I would > willingly accept it. From the previous debates also, most of them > say that it has to be time tested and then proven until then I am > free to have my doubts. <== Good to hear that. I completely agree with you. Love, Sreenadh , " RAma Vootla " <vsra_prasad wrote: > > Sri Sreenadh -- > > My only point was how does this ayanamsa fare vis a vis chitrapaksha > ayanamsa. Every theory has to be supported by practicality. > > It would be more convincing, if atleast 2 or 3 charts are taken and > shown to us that with chitrapaksha ayanamsa so and so timing of > event cannot be ascertained, but with chandrahari it can be > shown...something like that. > > Actually it should not be odd. I only mentioned it to ensure Sri > Chandrahari doesn't take it as a challenge / protest. > > Also, i am sure you know there are atleast few more " scientifically " > proven ayanamsas already floating in different groups. Each of them > gave reasons why theirs is correct. I am no expert on it, but I have > been witness to some mails between Sri {Chandrahari, PVR, Vijaydas > P, Vishnu Jandhyala, DhiraKrsna, etc.) on this issue. That was > inconclusive debate. If anyone still thumps his chest about their > winning from that debate I beg to disagree. From what I have seen on > those discussions, one school didnot agree with the other, as simple > as that. > > Lastly, if Sri Chandrahari's ayanamsa is proved accurate I would > willingly accept it. From the previous debates also, most of them > say that it has to be time tested and then proven until then I am > free to have my doubts. > > Regarding your " P.S.:.. " I understand your respect from Sri CH, but > give me the benefit of doubt > > -rAm > > , sree nadh > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear RAma ji, > > ==> > > If it doesn't sound odd, could I ask your success ratio in > > predicting? or predicting blind charts in timing of events with > your > > ayanamsa vs. chitrapaksha ayanamsa? > > <== > > Such a question really sounds odd, since Chandrahari is not > speaking about his own Ayanamsa, but it was a search (scientific and > mathematic research) after the Ayanamsa proposed by a purely > astronomical/mathematical text 'the ancient Suryasidhanta'. > > Every body has his own field of mastery or field in which they > can provide valuable logical inputs. We should learn to value > individuals for what they are. Hope you can understand the point. > > > > > > P.S. : The value of a contribution and effert can only be > understood by an individual, who atleast tried to have an > understanding of the efforts of others in the same direction, and > understands the value of true efforts. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > RAma Vootla <vsra_prasad@> wrote: > > > > Sri Chandrahari -- > > Just curious to know if it has been sent to Sri KN Rao, Sri Sanjay > > Rath too. > > > > Like Vinita asked, I have the same question too. I was not > convinced > > with Sreenadh's reply to Vinita. So I am asking the same Q. How > could > > so many accurate predictions happen with different (not so > > scientific, if at all) chitrapaksha ayanamsa? > > > > If it doesn't sound odd, could I ask your success ratio in > > predicting? or predicting blind charts in timing of events with > your > > ayanamsa vs. chitrapaksha ayanamsa? > > > > regards > > rAm > > > > > > > > > > > > , " K Chandra Hari " > > <chandrahari81@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh and friends, > > > > > > I am seeing the group after a long break due to tight schedules > and > > now > > > I am writing from Trivandrum as I found you people debating on > > > ayanamsa. Had astrologers been of scientific habits > the 'ayanamsa' > > > debate would have ended by this time. In Kerala to all > Chitrapaksha > > > Panchanga makers I have send a copy of my latest paper appearing > in > > Ind > > > Jour of Hist of Science_March 2006, INSA, N.Delhi-2 asking them > to > > > respond scientifically if they intend to have real > standardization > > and > > > rationalization of Panchangas. Most of the Chakravartis did not > > turn up > > > - may be the paper published in the journal had the conclusion > with > > > sufficient proof that the Calendar Reform Committee comitted > gross > > > mistake in understanding and interpreting the polar longitudes of > > > Suryasiddhanta. Unless it is a sound scientific work is it > possible > > > that such a paper will be accepted by journal. IJHS took 2.5 > years > > to > > > publish the paper (Aug 2003 to March 2006) to have the paper in > > print. > > > It is therefore apparent that the paper had been send to many > > referees > > > and has been published because of the irrefutable scientific > > grounds. > > > > > > Here the question is does the astrology community has the spirit > > and the > > > knowledge to accept a true scientific work? Pradeep had been > > interacting > > > with the PVR group and some of the Gurus have been making silly > > comments > > > instead of replying to my scientific works. I have mailed solid > > data to > > > PVR but he has not replied to any such mail. His doubts are of > the > > type > > > - where is Muladhara? When that is answered he will ask why it > > should be > > > 240 degree? When the ayanamsa is proved with published data on > > > Mrtyubhagas, he never answers. A mathematical proof based on > > > Suryasiddhanta was also mailed to him but he never replied to > such > > > mails. > > > > > > It is of no use to waste time with people who pretend to be in > > sleep. > > > Those who have the good sense may ponder on the following points: > > > > > > 1. How could the ancient people think that their astronomical > > > computations are not accurate and they needed more accuracy? > See, I > > can > > > know my measurement as wrong only if I have a standard or scale > to > > > compare. What was that standard in ancient times? > > > > > > 2. If astrologers in India says that 'samkrama' is at 10 AM, > 1015 > > AM, > > > 11AM or say 1700 hrs - how can we ascertain that which of these > is > > > correct? > > > > > > 3. If we have no means to ascertain the truth of " SUBHA & > ASUBHA " > > times > > > given by different panchangas (ephemeris) - what is the > credibility > > of > > > Jyotisha? > > > > > > 4. Is there any relevance to Jyotisha in our lives beyond that > of > > a " Cow > > > over the page of a book " ? Only lunacy induced by Moon and tidal > > effects > > > are the impact of planets on human beings? No other effect? > > > > > > 5. What made Varaha Mihira to pray at the > outset " Moorthithve... " to > > > rising Sun for " Vacham nah sa dadathu trilokyadeepo ravi " . How > Sun > > can > > > give word, vak? > > > > > > 6. How is it that Gayatri is able to bestow divine grace on > people? > > How > > > does Savitru impart his grace? > > > > > > Go deeper into Jyotisha - it is a Yogatmaka sastram. > Jyotischakram > > > involves the 'Time Structure of Breathing' and True Zodiac is > > Mahayogi > > > and Mahakala. If you can realize a Yogi on the sky, in the path > of > > the > > > Sun, then the jyotisha that you follow has a meaning. Otherwise > it > > shall > > > be a psueudoscience as is being preached and practiced by some > > people on > > > different groups. > > > > > > Hope Sreenadh will be able to make some fresh air blow over > world > > wide > > > web of naueating discussions on Jyotisha. Some of the lessons > that > > are > > > being taught to students as researches are really rubbish... > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I have also heard about Mr.Yogiji Karve,a psychic. I also see him participating in many astrolgical conferences as a guest speaker and there are various references regarding his ability to cast a birth chart by seeing the face of a person If he really has such powers and that could be used for the good.then as serious astrolgers our duty would have been to take to him say some 10 people who have their lagna falling in the Bhava sandhi according to various ayanamshas used. IF he could tell the correct lagna of the individual for those 10 persons then we can take for granted whichever ayanamsha gives such lagna. In Tamilnadu.there are a lot of manuscripts called nadi granthi in Libraries where alongeitht he chart the vimshottari dasha balance is also given If we try to reconstruct the chart along with the vimshottari dasa balance,i could do them with chitrapaksha ayanamsa with savana 360 days for few charts One interesting observation i had was in one case,the sun crossed from vrischi to Dhanus only on the evening at around 7 pm of 15th of that month I understand that in almost all cases sun moves to next sign on 15th before sun sign. Please let me know if my above understanding regarding movement of sun is correct. IF not,if the astronomical probability of sun crossing to another sign could happen on 15th evening,then i am almost on my way close to find an ayanamsha followed by the saptarishis vinoth , " Pradeep " <psd1955 wrote: > > Dear members, > > May be we should seek the help of psychics like the renowned Sri Yogi Karve ji of Mumbai who is able to give the correct birth times of individuals as also the exact planetary positions at birth. His daughter Pinky Karve is also a gifted psychic. > > K N Raoji has referred to them several times in his write-ups on astro matters. > > May be there are other psychics in India who are languishing in oblivion. > > If anyone knows such gifted beings we should take immediate steps in seeking their knowledge. > > Regards, > Pradeep > > > - > astrologerashutosh > > Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:52 PM > Re: Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > I truly understand and accept what you said. > > But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary positions and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has developed and discovered after practical experiences in reading horoscopes. > > In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot be done so randomly. > > It is easier for those who are still in basic learning process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly transits, it is not. > > It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical and better than the already practised one. > > I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way of life for me and my only guide and teacher. > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > crystal pages > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33 > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > Dear Ashutoshji, > > I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish! > > Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that is a > make or break in *my* marriage! > > I am just being very honest and candid! > > I hope you can understand and accept that > > Warmest regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " astrologerashutosh " > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > Very wise words. I too believe in a sincere > marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, one > should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only. Thanks!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > - > > crystal pages > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07 > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > Dear Ashutosh ji > > > > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which > according > > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused and > still > > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old! > > > > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of an > astute > > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with that :-P > > > > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just say > this: > > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even when > > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of love, > one > > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to > those > > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " astrologerashutosh " > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the Ayana, > is > > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the difference > > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) planetary > > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the > > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by the > > government of India. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > crystal pages > > > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41 > > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2 > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his ayanamsha > > (which he > > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star Chitra > or > > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar > > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar > > ayanamsha. > > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji Maharaj > did > > not > > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated that > it > > was > > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing > panchangs > > > followed by him). All this has been written with more > interesting > > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier posts, > etc. > > > > > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave us, > > Lahiri's > > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related > astronomy is > > the > > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were based > on > > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and corrections > given > > by > > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or > > thereabouts > > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few rare > > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, > others > > were > > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. Publishing > just > > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not do, > any > > > more! > > > > > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri. > > > > > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas > being > > like > > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, yours > > would > > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work for > me > > > anymore <LOL> > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , " R Satish " > > <rsatish1942@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my > > experience > > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called > Kotipalli,on > > the > > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt. > > > > > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains > > Hindu > > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential > > school. > > > > > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to > him > > about > > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and > > Lahiri's > > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to > the > > then > > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there > is a > > > > difference of " one pada " ,between the local panchang.Hence a > > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone > to > > him > > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my > > case, > > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of > > Chandra > > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference. > > > > > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's > > > experience. > > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of > astrology. > > > > > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' > stalwarts' . > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Satish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Dear members, Yes, Sri Maharshi Yogi Karve is able to demonstrate his abilities many a time in public places and so his children inherited his techniques to a fair extent. In Patanjali Yoga sutras, there are umpteen references, when one progresses into spiritual path, at the initial success and awakening of kundalini..etc., one gets small to big siddhis which are to be used only when God or intuition permits i.e. this also gives control over the so called " ghosts " i.e. souls of those person who died prematurely like in a car accident or having intense earthly desires...etc., such souls still remaining close to earthly life are generally called " Ghosts " , a little intelligent amongst such " ghosts " are called " spirits " . When one attains certain siddhi, one is able to call these loose " spirits " which keep hovering around such realized souls in search of " Sun & Soul Shades " . These " spirits " working on astral plane, are able to move at lightning speed.... can retrieve and read all the data from past and present and transmit the data to their " Masters " in subtle wavelength, unknown to humans, and the same is reproduced by these " Masters " . In a tested case (recorded on video by my close friend), Sri Maharshi Yogi Karve retrieved the mobile numbers of the SIM cards my friend case carrying at that moment accurately...... with minor details of last called person /name & place.... In the same tested case, a repeated query of birth time, different answers were given with minor variance, for the query responders are basically the " spirit or ghost " ....if they are in good mood, correct replies, else they give imaginatively nearby correct birth times. The same experiment and query was also poised to Ms. Shakuntala Devi of mathematics fame, who also came out with astoundingly nearby correct birth times.... (all experiments were carried out in front of TV / camera & in public). Ofcourse, her ability is less or smaller in comparison to skills of Sri Maharshi Karve. The same query of birth time was also queried with almost all (consulted around 7-10 of the most active and popular) Nadi astrologers in North & South India, who though varied in birth time with a variance of Plus (+)2 hrs (from the most probable birth time given by native's mother), yet the past and future readings of all Nadi readers were almost similar. All the above are recorded and uploaded in " You Tube " by my friend under some heading - think - Nadi Readings. Note: Some of the Nadi readers requested NOT to record for they were too traditional and hence the request was accepted with respect. In such cases, the native took help of few other hard core (educated and scientific bent of astro_minds ) astro_witnesses who can later validate the predictions. Conclusioin : Mr. Pradeep view point and assertion on using such " divine souls " help in resolving some of the basic controversies in astrology is laudable. For that to happen, we should first have some association or organization - of like minded astrologer of some social standing with credibility. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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