Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, Would like to know more about strength of signs that u mentioned in one of your mails. This is absolutely crucial when u talk of whether the reference point should be lagna or the moon. In the feedback that i got from u about my chart, you had used deductive methods to say lagna should be the reference point. I agree with that. But supposing u did not have any information about me and it was a blind chart or the chart of an infant whose life is yet to unfold, what then? My limited knowledge of the subject says that a house with grahas is more powerful than a house without grahas. Cancer has 2 grahas while Taurus has none. Further, moon is Swakshetra. Taurus has no aspects whereas Cancer is aspected by other planets. (Please clarify if aspects should also be taken into account while deciding the strength of the house). So what is there to count towards the strength of Taurus vis-a-vis Cancer? You mentioned Venus is in Upachaya - but i am not sure whether Venus being Lagnesh should be considered a malefic even though it rules 6th. (I know there are conflicting views this).If it is not a malefic it cannot be strong in upachaya. Could there be another explanation for this? (I am only trying to justify why my Lagna should be the reference point and not the Moon). The only reason i can think of is the aspect of Saturn on Lagnesh which is giving it a malefic character and therefore making the Upachaya principle work. Besides, isolated and pure Saturn being exalted though retro and therefore debilitated is still " powerful " in 6th and so is its aspect on 3rd.(I dont know if aspects should have relative strengths or not...remember we discussed this in quality of drishti). So Venus in 3rd may not be a necessary and sufficient condition for assuming that it is stronger than Moon. The only reason i want to point this out is that the yardstick that is adopted should be the same. Though astrologers often rely on deductive methods for arriving at conclusions by asking for feedback, if u want to make astrology more scientific, it should only rely on infallible principles which should hold true even without feedback. When u told me the reason why i should consider my Lagna and not moon as the reference point in my chart, i was not fully satisfied by your explanation even though i knew what u said was correct.So i thought i'll offer my explanation of this - though i may be wrong. Astrology is so much a subject of qualifications that one really has to be qualified for pronouncing any opinion in a sure manner. Sometimes opinions are taken to be the truth without really understanding the underlying explanations.The real danger is when these " truths " are then applied blindly to other charts. I am thankful that on this forum u are giving us leads on how to approach the subject scientifically. Love, Vinita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, I was not speaking about the strength of the planets, but of the sign/house. There are specific rules to ascertain whether Lagna sign or Moon sign is stronger. I have already mentioned it elaborately in one of my mails to panditji before some days. Search that mail and learn it from there. P.S. : Better not to say "approaching the subject scientifically", but to say "approaching the subject systematically". Love, Sreenadh vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: Dear Shreenadh,Would like to know more about strength of signs that u mentioned in one of your mails. This is absolutely crucial when u talk of whether the reference point should be lagna or the moon.In the feedback that i got from u about my chart, you had used deductive methods to say lagna should be the reference point. I agree with that. But supposing u did not have any information about me and it was a blind chart or the chart of an infant whose life is yet to unfold, what then? My limited knowledge of the subject says that a house with grahas is more powerful than a house without grahas. Cancer has 2 grahas while Taurus has none. Further, moon is Swakshetra. Taurus has no aspects whereas Cancer is aspected by other planets. (Please clarify if aspects should also be taken into account while deciding the strength of the house). So what is there to count towards the strength of Taurus vis-a-vis Cancer? You mentioned Venus is in Upachaya - but i am not sure whether Venus being Lagnesh should be considered a malefic even though it rules 6th. (I know there are conflicting views this).If it is not a malefic it cannot be strong in upachaya.Could there be another explanation for this? (I am only trying to justify why my Lagna should be the reference point and not the Moon). The only reason i can think of is the aspect of Saturn on Lagnesh which is giving it a malefic character and therefore making the Upachaya principle work. Besides, isolated and pure Saturn being exalted though retro and therefore debilitated is still "powerful" in 6th and so is its aspect on 3rd.(I dont know if aspects should have relative strengths or not...remember we discussed this in quality of drishti). So Venus in 3rd may not be a necessary and sufficient condition for assuming that it is stronger than Moon. The only reason i want to point this out is that the yardstick that is adopted should be the same. Though astrologers often rely on deductive methods for arriving at conclusions by asking for feedback, if u want to make astrology more scientific, it should only rely on infallible principles which should hold true even without feedback.When u told me the reason why i should consider my Lagna and not moon as the reference point in my chart, i was not fully satisfied by your explanation even though i knew what u said was correct.So i thought i'll offer my explanation of this - though i may be wrong.Astrology is so much a subject of qualifications that one really has to be qualified for pronouncing any opinion in a sure manner. Sometimes opinions are taken to be the truth without really understanding the underlying explanations.The real danger is when these "truths" are then applied blindly to other charts.I am thankful that on this forum u are giving us leads on how to approach the subject scientifically.Love,Vinita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > I was not speaking about the strength of the planets, but of the sign/house. There are specific rules to ascertain whether Lagna sign or Moon sign is stronger. I have already mentioned it elaborately in one of my mails to panditji before some days. Search that mail and learn it from there. I'd be interested too, Sree. Give me the msg number, please. +++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Dear Verna, Hi..You are supposed to find it your self ! I have already mentioned that it was one of my recent mails to Pandit ji! ok. Pardoned for once. This is the link: /message/635 Love, Sreenadh vernalagnia <vernalagnia wrote: , sree nadh wrote:>> Dear Vinita ji,> I was not speaking about the strength of the planets, but of the sign/house. There are specific rules to ascertain whether Lagna sign or Moon sign is stronger. I have already mentioned it elaborately in one of my mails to panditji before some days. Search that mail and learn it from there.I'd be interested too, Sree. Give me the msg number, please.+++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Verna, > Hi..You are supposed to find it your self ! I have already mentioned that it was one of my recent mails to Pandit ji! Thanks, Mr. Nice I got confused by the Panditji bit, since there are not just a few around, if you know what I mean Btw, made for excellent reading, that post of yours... +++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Dear Shreenadh,All I can imagine your impatience....here u are trying to move forward and people like me are raising doubts because they cannot understand the basic things....not because of your English....its very, very clear and understandable,if not beautiful at times, ....but because of their (read my)capacity to understand. THE QUESTION Now the question is how to determine whether Lagna sign or Moon sign is stronger. Traditionally we depend on two slokas. (i) " Hora swami guru nja veekshita yuta nanyascha veeryotkata " - Varaha hora Meaning, If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) or posited in the sign then that sign becomes stronger (gets more importance). (ii) " Lagnam lagna patou balena sahite tatulya veeryam vidu Tatraivopachaya stite sati tato veeryolkadam jayate " - Jatakadesam Meaning the strength of the sign is equal to the strenght of the sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in Upachaya (3-6-10-11) sign from there onwards then the sign becomes stronger (gets more importance). This is perfectly clear. But by applying the above principle in my case why lagna and not moon sign should be stronger is where my confusion lay. For the benefit of others my lagna is Taurus which is not aspected by any planet. Both moon and venus are in the third house. According to (ii) of the above principle there is a tie, but according to (i) since the lord of the sign is posited in its own sign I thought Moon should win. Now, using deductive methods, I may also say that lagna is stronger, but going strictly by the above principles and the " fact " that as age advances Moon becomes stronger, should not Moon be the winner of the two signs??? I am trying to be " systematic " , by just sticking to the principles mentioned above :) Or am i missing something???? What says everyone? Love, Vinita , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > I was not speaking about the strength of the planets, but of the sign/house. There are specific rules to ascertain whether Lagna sign or Moon sign is stronger. I have already mentioned it elaborately in one of my mails to panditji before some days. Search that mail and learn it from there. > P.S. : Better not to say " approaching the subject scientifically " , but to say " approaching the subject systematically " . > Love, > Sreenadh > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > Dear Shreenadh, > > Would like to know more about strength of signs that u mentioned in > one of your mails. This is absolutely crucial when u talk of whether > the reference point should be lagna or the moon. > > In the feedback that i got from u about my chart, you had used > deductive methods to say lagna should be the reference point. I > agree with that. But supposing u did not have any information about > me and it was a blind chart or the chart of an infant whose life is > yet to unfold, what then? > > My limited knowledge of the subject says that a house with grahas is > more powerful than a house without grahas. Cancer has 2 grahas while > Taurus has none. Further, moon is Swakshetra. Taurus has no aspects > whereas Cancer is aspected by other planets. (Please clarify if > aspects should also be taken into account while deciding the > strength of the house). So what is there to count towards the > strength of Taurus vis-a-vis Cancer? You mentioned Venus is in > Upachaya - but i am not sure whether Venus being Lagnesh should be > considered a malefic even though it rules 6th. (I know there are > conflicting views this).If it is not a malefic it cannot be strong > in upachaya. > > Could there be another explanation for this? (I am only trying to > justify why my Lagna should be the reference point and not the > Moon). The only reason i can think of is the aspect of Saturn on > Lagnesh which is giving it a malefic character and therefore making > the Upachaya principle work. Besides, isolated and pure Saturn being > exalted though retro and therefore debilitated is still " powerful " > in 6th and so is its aspect on 3rd.(I dont know if aspects should > have relative strengths or not...remember we discussed this in > quality of drishti). So Venus in 3rd may not be a necessary and > sufficient condition for assuming that it is stronger than Moon. > > The only reason i want to point this out is that the yardstick that > is adopted should be the same. Though astrologers often rely on > deductive methods for arriving at conclusions by asking for > feedback, if u want to make astrology more scientific, it should > only rely on infallible principles which should hold true even > without feedback. > > When u told me the reason why i should consider my Lagna and not > moon as the reference point in my chart, i was not fully satisfied > by your explanation even though i knew what u said was correct.So i > thought i'll offer my explanation of this - though i may be wrong. > > Astrology is so much a subject of qualifications that one really has > to be qualified for pronouncing any opinion in a sure manner. > Sometimes opinions are taken to be the truth without really > understanding the underlying explanations.The real danger is when > these " truths " are then applied blindly to other charts. > > I am thankful that on this forum u are giving us leads on how to > approach the subject scientifically. > > Love, > Vinita > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Dear All, Now the non-systematic approach....because this has no basis....i cannot quote any authentic text....the basis is tid-bits read here and there. It is said that kendras and trikonas represent stronger houses, other things remaining constant. Of the kendras 10th is the strongest, followed by the 7th, the 4th and the 1st. OF the trikonas, 5th is stronger than the 1st and 9th is stronger than the 5th. Lagna has the strength of being both kendra as well as trikona (i think somebody quantified it as 75 per cent kona and 25 per cent trikona). Now going by the above, Lagna should always be stronger than the non- trikona and non kendra houses / signs, other things remaing constant. Now let us introduce the grahas into this. Again it is said that the more the number of grahas in a sign, the heavier should be its " weight " / significance. Mixing the two, more grahas in a kendra / Trikona sign whould give it more importance compared to another sign which has the same number grahas but which is not a kendra or a trikona. Then the strenght of the planets and the aspects should also have a bearing on the strength of the sign. In the above circumstances, Lagna would always have an edge over the Moon sign if the latter is not in a kona or trikona, other things remaining constant. I know this is a totally non-systematic approach because i cannot find any texts to quote, only disjointed, unsystematic readings. But for whatever it is worth i thought let me put it down here before it is discarded as total rubbish. :) Love, Vinita , " vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh,All > > I can imagine your impatience....here u are trying to move forward > and people like me are raising doubts because they cannot understand > the basic things....not because of your English....its very, very > clear and understandable,if not beautiful at times, ....but because > of their (read my)capacity to understand. > > THE QUESTION > > Now the question is how to determine whether Lagna sign or Moon > sign is stronger. Traditionally we depend on two slokas. > (i) " Hora swami guru nja veekshita yuta nanyascha veeryotkata " - > Varaha hora > Meaning, If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) or > posited in the sign then that sign becomes stronger (gets more > importance). > (ii) " Lagnam lagna patou balena sahite tatulya veeryam vidu > Tatraivopachaya stite sati tato veeryolkadam jayate " - > Jatakadesam > > Meaning the strength of the sign is equal to the strenght of the > sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in Upachaya (3-6-10-11) sign > from there onwards then the sign becomes stronger (gets more > importance). > > This is perfectly clear. But by applying the above principle in my > case why lagna and not moon sign should be stronger is where my > confusion lay. > > For the benefit of others my lagna is Taurus which is not aspected > by any planet. > > Both moon and venus are in the third house. > > According to (ii) of the above principle there is a tie, but > according to (i) since the lord of the sign is posited in its own > sign I thought Moon should win. > > Now, using deductive methods, I may also say that lagna is stronger, > but going strictly by the above principles and the " fact " that as > age advances Moon becomes stronger, should not Moon be the winner of > the two signs??? > > I am trying to be " systematic " , by just sticking to the principles > mentioned above :) > > Or am i missing something???? > > What says everyone? > > Love, > Vinita > > , sree nadh > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > I was not speaking about the strength of the planets, but of > the sign/house. There are specific rules to ascertain whether Lagna > sign or Moon sign is stronger. I have already mentioned it > elaborately in one of my mails to panditji before some days. Search > that mail and learn it from there. > > P.S. : Better not to say " approaching the subject > scientifically " , but to say " approaching the subject > systematically " . > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > Would like to know more about strength of signs that u mentioned > in > > one of your mails. This is absolutely crucial when u talk of > whether > > the reference point should be lagna or the moon. > > > > In the feedback that i got from u about my chart, you had used > > deductive methods to say lagna should be the reference point. I > > agree with that. But supposing u did not have any information > about > > me and it was a blind chart or the chart of an infant whose life > is > > yet to unfold, what then? > > > > My limited knowledge of the subject says that a house with grahas > is > > more powerful than a house without grahas. Cancer has 2 grahas > while > > Taurus has none. Further, moon is Swakshetra. Taurus has no > aspects > > whereas Cancer is aspected by other planets. (Please clarify if > > aspects should also be taken into account while deciding the > > strength of the house). So what is there to count towards the > > strength of Taurus vis-a-vis Cancer? You mentioned Venus is in > > Upachaya - but i am not sure whether Venus being Lagnesh should be > > considered a malefic even though it rules 6th. (I know there are > > conflicting views this).If it is not a malefic it cannot be strong > > in upachaya. > > > > Could there be another explanation for this? (I am only trying to > > justify why my Lagna should be the reference point and not the > > Moon). The only reason i can think of is the aspect of Saturn on > > Lagnesh which is giving it a malefic character and therefore > making > > the Upachaya principle work. Besides, isolated and pure Saturn > being > > exalted though retro and therefore debilitated is still " powerful " > > in 6th and so is its aspect on 3rd.(I dont know if aspects should > > have relative strengths or not...remember we discussed this in > > quality of drishti). So Venus in 3rd may not be a necessary and > > sufficient condition for assuming that it is stronger than Moon. > > > > The only reason i want to point this out is that the yardstick > that > > is adopted should be the same. Though astrologers often rely on > > deductive methods for arriving at conclusions by asking for > > feedback, if u want to make astrology more scientific, it should > > only rely on infallible principles which should hold true even > > without feedback. > > > > When u told me the reason why i should consider my Lagna and not > > moon as the reference point in my chart, i was not fully satisfied > > by your explanation even though i knew what u said was correct.So > i > > thought i'll offer my explanation of this - though i may be wrong. > > > > Astrology is so much a subject of qualifications that one really > has > > to be qualified for pronouncing any opinion in a sure manner. > > Sometimes opinions are taken to be the truth without really > > understanding the underlying explanations.The real danger is when > > these " truths " are then applied blindly to other charts. > > > > I am thankful that on this forum u are giving us leads on how to > > approach the subject scientifically. > > > > Love, > > Vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, It is not like that. The second rule says - ==> > The strength of the sign is equal to the strength of the > sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in Upachaya (3-6-10-11) sign > from there onwards then the sign becomes stronger (gets more > importance). <== From your Lagna sign Ve is in 3rd house - 1 pt. From the Moon sign Mo is NOT in Upachaya sign - 0 pt Now comes ascertaining the strength of sign based on the strength of planet - The Lagan lord posited in Cn has navamsa in Aq - Normal strength (The same applies to Lagna sign) The Moon sign lord is posited in its own sign - So normally should be considered strong. But look at Navamsa of Mo, it is in debilitation. So there is not much Stanabala to Moon. It is said that for Mo Pakshabala is more important when ascertaining the strength of the planet than Stanabala (Strength due to placement). You will see that Mo has neither enough Pakshabala as well. In your chart Mo is so close to Sun (It is only Sukla Triteeya, the 3rd Tithi after amavasi) and so Mo is week. The same applies to the Moon sign as well. So here the Lagna sign wins over Moon sign. All these are based on the Second rule. Now considering the 1st rule - ==> > If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) or > posited in the sign then that sign becomes stronger (gets more > importance). <== Neither Lagna lord, Ju or Me aspects Lagna. No good or bad Drishti is there on the Lagna. - 0 pts. Now considering the Moon sign, the Moon sign lord (Mo) is posited in the Moon sign (Cn) itself. Neither Ju or Me aspects Moon sign. - 1 pt. So should we consider it as stronger than Lagna sign? I would say no, because from the earlier rule we know that Moon sign is week even though Mo is there in it since Mo is weak. So I would prefer not to allocate any points to Moon sign as well in this case. You can use the following points to substantiate it - Lagna is in a normal state without any good or bad aspects. But here Moon sign is aspected by the two biggest malefics, Sa (using its 10th special aspect) and Ma (with its 8th special aspect). It is agnimaruta yoga a destructive combination for the Moon sign. Of course these are not mentioned in the above rule but I am using them as substantiate evidence for not assigning points to Moon sign. So the conclusion - Legna stands out winner with single point gained, and so the reading should be based on Lagna. Your life experiences itself will substantiate it, and will speak to you that Lagna sign is more important than Moon sign in your chart P.S: Of course the Moon sign gains strength with life, as you can see in your own life and you turned to astrology at the later stage of life. Cn is known as the Daivanjcha Rasi (Astrologer sign), that gives more importance to emotions and intuition. This competition between your Lagna sign and Moon sign is also necessary to explain the conflicts between your worldly and spiritual aspirations. So we have no right to out rightly reject Moon sign as well. But the point is that COMPARATIVELY Lagna sign is stronger than Moon sign in your chart and to correctly predict/decipher the events that took place in your life from your chart it is important to understand the importance of Lagna, and the need to primarily read the chart from there on, in your horoscope. Love, Sreenadh , " vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh,All > > I can imagine your impatience....here u are trying to move forward > and people like me are raising doubts because they cannot understand > the basic things....not because of your English....its very, very > clear and understandable,if not beautiful at times, ....but because > of their (read my)capacity to understand. > > THE QUESTION > > Now the question is how to determine whether Lagna sign or Moon > sign is stronger. Traditionally we depend on two slokas. > (i) " Hora swami guru nja veekshita yuta nanyascha veeryotkata " - > Varaha hora > Meaning, If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) or > posited in the sign then that sign becomes stronger (gets more > importance). > (ii) " Lagnam lagna patou balena sahite tatulya veeryam vidu > Tatraivopachaya stite sati tato veeryolkadam jayate " - > Jatakadesam > > Meaning the strength of the sign is equal to the strenght of the > sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in Upachaya (3-6-10-11) sign > from there onwards then the sign becomes stronger (gets more > importance). > > This is perfectly clear. But by applying the above principle in my > case why lagna and not moon sign should be stronger is where my > confusion lay. > > For the benefit of others my lagna is Taurus which is not aspected > by any planet. > > Both moon and venus are in the third house. > > According to (ii) of the above principle there is a tie, but > according to (i) since the lord of the sign is posited in its own > sign I thought Moon should win. > > Now, using deductive methods, I may also say that lagna is stronger, > but going strictly by the above principles and the " fact " that as > age advances Moon becomes stronger, should not Moon be the winner of > the two signs??? > > I am trying to be " systematic " , by just sticking to the principles > mentioned above :) > > Or am i missing something???? > > What says everyone? > > Love, > Vinita > > , sree nadh > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > I was not speaking about the strength of the planets, but of > the sign/house. There are specific rules to ascertain whether Lagna > sign or Moon sign is stronger. I have already mentioned it > elaborately in one of my mails to panditji before some days. Search > that mail and learn it from there. > > P.S. : Better not to say " approaching the subject > scientifically " , but to say " approaching the subject > systematically " . > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > Would like to know more about strength of signs that u mentioned > in > > one of your mails. This is absolutely crucial when u talk of > whether > > the reference point should be lagna or the moon. > > > > In the feedback that i got from u about my chart, you had used > > deductive methods to say lagna should be the reference point. I > > agree with that. But supposing u did not have any information > about > > me and it was a blind chart or the chart of an infant whose life > is > > yet to unfold, what then? > > > > My limited knowledge of the subject says that a house with grahas > is > > more powerful than a house without grahas. Cancer has 2 grahas > while > > Taurus has none. Further, moon is Swakshetra. Taurus has no > aspects > > whereas Cancer is aspected by other planets. (Please clarify if > > aspects should also be taken into account while deciding the > > strength of the house). So what is there to count towards the > > strength of Taurus vis-a-vis Cancer? You mentioned Venus is in > > Upachaya - but i am not sure whether Venus being Lagnesh should be > > considered a malefic even though it rules 6th. (I know there are > > conflicting views this).If it is not a malefic it cannot be strong > > in upachaya. > > > > Could there be another explanation for this? (I am only trying to > > justify why my Lagna should be the reference point and not the > > Moon). The only reason i can think of is the aspect of Saturn on > > Lagnesh which is giving it a malefic character and therefore > making > > the Upachaya principle work. Besides, isolated and pure Saturn > being > > exalted though retro and therefore debilitated is still " powerful " > > in 6th and so is its aspect on 3rd.(I dont know if aspects should > > have relative strengths or not...remember we discussed this in > > quality of drishti). So Venus in 3rd may not be a necessary and > > sufficient condition for assuming that it is stronger than Moon. > > > > The only reason i want to point this out is that the yardstick > that > > is adopted should be the same. Though astrologers often rely on > > deductive methods for arriving at conclusions by asking for > > feedback, if u want to make astrology more scientific, it should > > only rely on infallible principles which should hold true even > > without feedback. > > > > When u told me the reason why i should consider my Lagna and not > > moon as the reference point in my chart, i was not fully satisfied > > by your explanation even though i knew what u said was correct.So > i > > thought i'll offer my explanation of this - though i may be wrong. > > > > Astrology is so much a subject of qualifications that one really > has > > to be qualified for pronouncing any opinion in a sure manner. > > Sometimes opinions are taken to be the truth without really > > understanding the underlying explanations.The real danger is when > > these " truths " are then applied blindly to other charts. > > > > I am thankful that on this forum u are giving us leads on how to > > approach the subject scientifically. > > > > Love, > > Vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, Thank you very much for taking the trouble to explain this so nicely. The mistake i was making is to think Moon is in Upachaya even from Moon lagna. I agree with the weakness of moon, though according to D-9 Moon is in Saggi (and not scorpio). It is with Saturn, but then Saturn is in Parivartan with Jupiter in Acquarius. I don't know if this can be construed to mean that that Moon is with Jupiter in Saggi and therefore not that weak. Anyway, I will leave it at that. Many thanks once again for explaining this. Love, Vinita , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > It is not like that. > The second rule says - > ==> > > The strength of the sign is equal to the strength of the > > sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in Upachaya (3-6-10-11) sign > > from there onwards then the sign becomes stronger (gets more > > importance). > <== > From your Lagna sign Ve is in 3rd house - 1 pt. > From the Moon sign Mo is NOT in Upachaya sign - 0 pt > > Now comes ascertaining the strength of sign based on the strength of > planet - > The Lagan lord posited in Cn has navamsa in Aq - Normal strength > (The same applies to Lagna sign) > The Moon sign lord is posited in its own sign - So normally should > be considered strong. But look at Navamsa of Mo, it is in > debilitation. So there is not much Stanabala to Moon. It is said that > for Mo Pakshabala is more important when ascertaining the strength of > the planet than Stanabala (Strength due to placement). You will see > that Mo has neither enough Pakshabala as well. In your chart Mo is so > close to Sun (It is only Sukla Triteeya, the 3rd Tithi after amavasi) > and so Mo is week. The same applies to the Moon sign as well. > So here the Lagna sign wins over Moon sign. All these are based on > the Second rule. > Now considering the 1st rule - > ==> > > If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) or > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes stronger (gets more > > importance). > <== > Neither Lagna lord, Ju or Me aspects Lagna. No good or bad Drishti > is there on the Lagna. - 0 pts. > Now considering the Moon sign, the Moon sign lord (Mo) is posited > in the Moon sign (Cn) itself. Neither Ju or Me aspects Moon sign. - 1 > pt. So should we consider it as stronger than Lagna sign? I would say > no, because from the earlier rule we know that Moon sign is week even > though Mo is there in it since Mo is weak. So I would prefer not to > allocate any points to Moon sign as well in this case. > You can use the following points to substantiate it - > Lagna is in a normal state without any good or bad aspects. But here > Moon sign is aspected by the two biggest malefics, Sa (using its 10th > special aspect) and Ma (with its 8th special aspect). It is > agnimaruta yoga a destructive combination for the Moon sign. Of > course these are not mentioned in the above rule but I am using them > as substantiate evidence for not assigning points to Moon sign. > > So the conclusion - > Legna stands out winner with single point gained, and so the reading > should be based on Lagna. > Your life experiences itself will substantiate it, and will speak to > you that Lagna sign is more important than Moon sign in your chart > > P.S: Of course the Moon sign gains strength with life, as you can see > in your own life and you turned to astrology at the later stage of > life. Cn is known as the Daivanjcha Rasi (Astrologer sign), that > gives more importance to emotions and intuition. This competition > between your Lagna sign and Moon sign is also necessary to explain > the conflicts between your worldly and spiritual aspirations. So we > have no right to out rightly reject Moon sign as well. But the > point is that COMPARATIVELY Lagna sign is stronger than Moon sign in > your chart and to correctly predict/decipher the events that took > place in your life from your chart it is important to understand the > importance of Lagna, and the need to primarily read the chart from > there on, in your horoscope. > > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " vinita kumar " > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shreenadh,All > > > > I can imagine your impatience....here u are trying to move forward > > and people like me are raising doubts because they cannot > understand > > the basic things....not because of your English....its very, very > > clear and understandable,if not beautiful at times, ....but because > > of their (read my)capacity to understand. > > > > THE QUESTION > > > > Now the question is how to determine whether Lagna sign or Moon > > sign is stronger. Traditionally we depend on two slokas. > > (i) " Hora swami guru nja veekshita yuta nanyascha veeryotkata " - > > Varaha hora > > Meaning, If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) or > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes stronger (gets more > > importance). > > (ii) " Lagnam lagna patou balena sahite tatulya veeryam vidu > > Tatraivopachaya stite sati tato veeryolkadam jayate " - > > Jatakadesam > > > > Meaning the strength of the sign is equal to the strenght of the > > sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in Upachaya (3-6-10-11) sign > > from there onwards then the sign becomes stronger (gets more > > importance). > > > > This is perfectly clear. But by applying the above principle in my > > case why lagna and not moon sign should be stronger is where my > > confusion lay. > > > > For the benefit of others my lagna is Taurus which is not aspected > > by any planet. > > > > Both moon and venus are in the third house. > > > > According to (ii) of the above principle there is a tie, but > > according to (i) since the lord of the sign is posited in its own > > sign I thought Moon should win. > > > > Now, using deductive methods, I may also say that lagna is > stronger, > > but going strictly by the above principles and the " fact " that as > > age advances Moon becomes stronger, should not Moon be the winner > of > > the two signs??? > > > > I am trying to be " systematic " , by just sticking to the principles > > mentioned above :) > > > > Or am i missing something???? > > > > What says everyone? > > > > Love, > > Vinita > > > > , sree nadh > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > I was not speaking about the strength of the planets, but of > > the sign/house. There are specific rules to ascertain whether Lagna > > sign or Moon sign is stronger. I have already mentioned it > > elaborately in one of my mails to panditji before some days. Search > > that mail and learn it from there. > > > P.S. : Better not to say " approaching the subject > > scientifically " , but to say " approaching the subject > > systematically " . > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > > > Would like to know more about strength of signs that u mentioned > > in > > > one of your mails. This is absolutely crucial when u talk of > > whether > > > the reference point should be lagna or the moon. > > > > > > In the feedback that i got from u about my chart, you had used > > > deductive methods to say lagna should be the reference point. I > > > agree with that. But supposing u did not have any information > > about > > > me and it was a blind chart or the chart of an infant whose life > > is > > > yet to unfold, what then? > > > > > > My limited knowledge of the subject says that a house with grahas > > is > > > more powerful than a house without grahas. Cancer has 2 grahas > > while > > > Taurus has none. Further, moon is Swakshetra. Taurus has no > > aspects > > > whereas Cancer is aspected by other planets. (Please clarify if > > > aspects should also be taken into account while deciding the > > > strength of the house). So what is there to count towards the > > > strength of Taurus vis-a-vis Cancer? You mentioned Venus is in > > > Upachaya - but i am not sure whether Venus being Lagnesh should > be > > > considered a malefic even though it rules 6th. (I know there are > > > conflicting views this).If it is not a malefic it cannot be > strong > > > in upachaya. > > > > > > Could there be another explanation for this? (I am only trying to > > > justify why my Lagna should be the reference point and not the > > > Moon). The only reason i can think of is the aspect of Saturn on > > > Lagnesh which is giving it a malefic character and therefore > > making > > > the Upachaya principle work. Besides, isolated and pure Saturn > > being > > > exalted though retro and therefore debilitated is > still " powerful " > > > in 6th and so is its aspect on 3rd.(I dont know if aspects should > > > have relative strengths or not...remember we discussed this in > > > quality of drishti). So Venus in 3rd may not be a necessary and > > > sufficient condition for assuming that it is stronger than Moon. > > > > > > The only reason i want to point this out is that the yardstick > > that > > > is adopted should be the same. Though astrologers often rely on > > > deductive methods for arriving at conclusions by asking for > > > feedback, if u want to make astrology more scientific, it should > > > only rely on infallible principles which should hold true even > > > without feedback. > > > > > > When u told me the reason why i should consider my Lagna and not > > > moon as the reference point in my chart, i was not fully > satisfied > > > by your explanation even though i knew what u said was correct.So > > i > > > thought i'll offer my explanation of this - though i may be wrong. > > > > > > Astrology is so much a subject of qualifications that one really > > has > > > to be qualified for pronouncing any opinion in a sure manner. > > > Sometimes opinions are taken to be the truth without really > > > understanding the underlying explanations.The real danger is when > > > these " truths " are then applied blindly to other charts. > > > > > > I am thankful that on this forum u are giving us leads on how to > > > approach the subject scientifically. > > > > > > Love, > > > Vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, Use Chandrahari Ayanamsa (44 min more than Lahari) and you will see that the Navamsa of Mo falls in Scorpio, the debilitation sign of Moon. While considering the strength of Moon always remember the sloka - " Paksholbhavam himakarsya visishtamahu Stanolbhamav tu balamapyadhikam paresham " (Madhaveeya) Meaning, for Moon, Pakshabala is specially important for Moon. But for other planets it is Stanabala (Strength due to placement) that is more important. Love, Sreenadh --- vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > Dear Shreenadh, > > Thank you very much for taking the trouble to > explain this so nicely. > The mistake i was making is to think Moon is in > Upachaya even from > Moon lagna. > > I agree with the weakness of moon, though according > to D-9 Moon is in > Saggi (and not scorpio). It is with Saturn, but then > Saturn is in > Parivartan with Jupiter in Acquarius. I don't know > if this can be > construed to mean that that Moon is with Jupiter in > Saggi and > therefore not that weak. > > Anyway, I will leave it at that. > > Many thanks once again for explaining this. > > Love, > > Vinita > > , > " Sreenadh " > <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > It is not like that. > > The second rule says - > > ==> > > > The strength of the sign is equal to the > strength of the > > > sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in > Upachaya (3-6-10-11) > sign > > > from there onwards then the sign becomes > stronger (gets more > > > importance). > > <== > > From your Lagna sign Ve is in 3rd house - 1 pt. > > From the Moon sign Mo is NOT in Upachaya sign - 0 > pt > > > > Now comes ascertaining the strength of sign based > on the strength > of > > planet - > > The Lagan lord posited in Cn has navamsa in Aq - > Normal strength > > (The same applies to Lagna sign) > > The Moon sign lord is posited in its own sign - > So normally should > > be considered strong. But look at Navamsa of Mo, > it is in > > debilitation. So there is not much Stanabala to > Moon. It is said > that > > for Mo Pakshabala is more important when > ascertaining the strength > of > > the planet than Stanabala (Strength due to > placement). You will see > > that Mo has neither enough Pakshabala as well. In > your chart Mo is > so > > close to Sun (It is only Sukla Triteeya, the 3rd > Tithi after > amavasi) > > and so Mo is week. The same applies to the Moon > sign as well. > > So here the Lagna sign wins over Moon sign. All > these are based > on > > the Second rule. > > Now considering the 1st rule - > > ==> > > > If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) > or > > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes > stronger (gets more > > > importance). > > <== > > Neither Lagna lord, Ju or Me aspects Lagna. No > good or bad > Drishti > > is there on the Lagna. - 0 pts. > > Now considering the Moon sign, the Moon sign > lord (Mo) is posited > > in the Moon sign (Cn) itself. Neither Ju or Me > aspects Moon sign. - > 1 > > pt. So should we consider it as stronger than > Lagna sign? I would > say > > no, because from the earlier rule we know that > Moon sign is week > even > > though Mo is there in it since Mo is weak. So I > would prefer not to > > allocate any points to Moon sign as well in this > case. > > You can use the following points to substantiate > it - > > Lagna is in a normal state without any good or > bad aspects. But > here > > Moon sign is aspected by the two biggest malefics, > Sa (using its > 10th > > special aspect) and Ma (with its 8th special > aspect). It is > > agnimaruta yoga a destructive combination for the > Moon sign. Of > > course these are not mentioned in the above rule > but I am using > them > > as substantiate evidence for not assigning points > to Moon sign. > > > > So the conclusion - > > Legna stands out winner with single point gained, > and so the > reading > > should be based on Lagna. > > Your life experiences itself will substantiate > it, and will speak > to > > you that Lagna sign is more important than Moon > sign in your > chart > > > > P.S: Of course the Moon sign gains strength with > life, as you can > see > > in your own life and you turned to astrology at > the later stage of > > life. Cn is known as the Daivanjcha Rasi > (Astrologer sign), that > > gives more importance to emotions and intuition. > This > competition > > between your Lagna sign and Moon sign is also > necessary to explain > > the conflicts between your worldly and spiritual > aspirations. So we > > have no right to out rightly reject Moon sign as > well. But the > > point is that COMPARATIVELY Lagna sign is stronger > than Moon sign > in > > your chart and to correctly predict/decipher the > events that took > > place in your life from your chart it is important > to understand > the > > importance of Lagna, and the need to primarily > read the chart from > > there on, in your horoscope. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , > " vinita kumar " > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh,All > > > > > > I can imagine your impatience....here u are > trying to move > forward > > > and people like me are raising doubts because > they cannot > > understand > > > the basic things....not because of your > English....its very, very > > > clear and understandable,if not beautiful at > times, ....but > because > > > of their (read my)capacity to understand. > > > > > > THE QUESTION > > > > > > Now the question is how to determine whether > Lagna sign or Moon > > > sign is stronger. Traditionally we depend on two > slokas. > > > (i) " Hora swami guru nja veekshita yuta > nanyascha veeryotkata " - > > > Varaha hora > > > Meaning, If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me > aspects (Drishti) or > > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes > stronger (gets more > > > importance). > > > (ii) " Lagnam lagna patou balena sahite tatulya > veeryam vidu > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, Thanks for informing that Moon is debilitated in D-9 if Chandra Hari Ayanamsa is used.:( But if the proof of the pudding is in the eating and if real life experiences have any meaning, the MD of Moon so far has been the best period of life (touchwood!), with or without Agnimaruta yoga. It could be a mental illusion to think that Moon is with Jupiter (in parivartan) in the sign of Jupiter in D-9 which has something to do with this " fortunate " existence (I met my guru at the beginning of Moon MD), but i would for some reason like to hang on to that illusion.:) Love, Vinita , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > Use Chandrahari Ayanamsa (44 min more than Lahari) > and you will see that the Navamsa of Mo falls in > Scorpio, the debilitation sign of Moon. > While considering the strength of Moon always > remember the sloka - > " Paksholbhavam himakarsya visishtamahu > Stanolbhamav tu balamapyadhikam paresham " > (Madhaveeya) > Meaning, for Moon, Pakshabala is specially important > for Moon. But for other planets it is Stanabala > (Strength due to placement) that is more important. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > --- vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > Thank you very much for taking the trouble to > > explain this so nicely. > > The mistake i was making is to think Moon is in > > Upachaya even from > > Moon lagna. > > > > I agree with the weakness of moon, though according > > to D-9 Moon is in > > Saggi (and not scorpio). It is with Saturn, but then > > Saturn is in > > Parivartan with Jupiter in Acquarius. I don't know > > if this can be > > construed to mean that that Moon is with Jupiter in > > Saggi and > > therefore not that weak. > > > > Anyway, I will leave it at that. > > > > Many thanks once again for explaining this. > > > > Love, > > > > Vinita > > > > , > > " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > It is not like that. > > > The second rule says - > > > ==> > > > > The strength of the sign is equal to the > > strength of the > > > > sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in > > Upachaya (3-6-10-11) > > sign > > > > from there onwards then the sign becomes > > stronger (gets more > > > > importance). > > > <== > > > From your Lagna sign Ve is in 3rd house - 1 pt. > > > From the Moon sign Mo is NOT in Upachaya sign - 0 > > pt > > > > > > Now comes ascertaining the strength of sign based > > on the strength > > of > > > planet - > > > The Lagan lord posited in Cn has navamsa in Aq - > > Normal strength > > > (The same applies to Lagna sign) > > > The Moon sign lord is posited in its own sign - > > So normally should > > > be considered strong. But look at Navamsa of Mo, > > it is in > > > debilitation. So there is not much Stanabala to > > Moon. It is said > > that > > > for Mo Pakshabala is more important when > > ascertaining the strength > > of > > > the planet than Stanabala (Strength due to > > placement). You will see > > > that Mo has neither enough Pakshabala as well. In > > your chart Mo is > > so > > > close to Sun (It is only Sukla Triteeya, the 3rd > > Tithi after > > amavasi) > > > and so Mo is week. The same applies to the Moon > > sign as well. > > > So here the Lagna sign wins over Moon sign. All > > these are based > > on > > > the Second rule. > > > Now considering the 1st rule - > > > ==> > > > > If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) > > or > > > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes > > stronger (gets more > > > > importance). > > > <== > > > Neither Lagna lord, Ju or Me aspects Lagna. No > > good or bad > > Drishti > > > is there on the Lagna. - 0 pts. > > > Now considering the Moon sign, the Moon sign > > lord (Mo) is posited > > > in the Moon sign (Cn) itself. Neither Ju or Me > > aspects Moon sign. - > > 1 > > > pt. So should we consider it as stronger than > > Lagna sign? I would > > say > > > no, because from the earlier rule we know that > > Moon sign is week > > even > > > though Mo is there in it since Mo is weak. So I > > would prefer not to > > > allocate any points to Moon sign as well in this > > case. > > > You can use the following points to substantiate > > it - > > > Lagna is in a normal state without any good or > > bad aspects. But > > here > > > Moon sign is aspected by the two biggest malefics, > > Sa (using its > > 10th > > > special aspect) and Ma (with its 8th special > > aspect). It is > > > agnimaruta yoga a destructive combination for the > > Moon sign. Of > > > course these are not mentioned in the above rule > > but I am using > > them > > > as substantiate evidence for not assigning points > > to Moon sign. > > > > > > So the conclusion - > > > Legna stands out winner with single point gained, > > and so the > > reading > > > should be based on Lagna. > > > Your life experiences itself will substantiate > > it, and will speak > > to > > > you that Lagna sign is more important than Moon > > sign in your > > chart > > > > > > P.S: Of course the Moon sign gains strength with > > life, as you can > > see > > > in your own life and you turned to astrology at > > the later stage of > > > life. Cn is known as the Daivanjcha Rasi > > (Astrologer sign), that > > > gives more importance to emotions and intuition. > > This > > competition > > > between your Lagna sign and Moon sign is also > > necessary to explain > > > the conflicts between your worldly and spiritual > > aspirations. So we > > > have no right to out rightly reject Moon sign as > > well. But the > > > point is that COMPARATIVELY Lagna sign is stronger > > than Moon sign > > in > > > your chart and to correctly predict/decipher the > > events that took > > > place in your life from your chart it is important > > to understand > > the > > > importance of Lagna, and the need to primarily > > read the chart from > > > there on, in your horoscope. > > > > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , > > " vinita kumar " > > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh,All > > > > > > > > I can imagine your impatience....here u are > > trying to move > > forward > > > > and people like me are raising doubts because > > they cannot > > > understand > > > > the basic things....not because of your > > English....its very, very > > > > clear and understandable,if not beautiful at > > times, ....but > > because > > > > of their (read my)capacity to understand. > > > > > > > > THE QUESTION > > > > > > > > Now the question is how to determine whether > > Lagna sign or Moon > > > > sign is stronger. Traditionally we depend on two > > slokas. > > > > (i) " Hora swami guru nja veekshita yuta > > nanyascha veeryotkata " - > > > > Varaha hora > > > > Meaning, If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me > > aspects (Drishti) or > > > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes > > stronger (gets more > > > > importance). > > > > (ii) " Lagnam lagna patou balena sahite tatulya > > veeryam vidu > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, > I met my guru at the beginning of Moon MD Mo is aspecting 9th house, and 9th house lord Sa is aspecting Mo with its 10th special Drishti. Is that not enough to give the guru?! By the way, Sa aspecting Mo is a yoga that indicates repetition or second occurance. Ve in Cn also indicate 2nd. Li sign also indicate two. Is it your first guru or the second?! By any chance is it that the 2nd guru you met and accepted? P.S.: If it is the 1st, then the 2nd guru is there in waiting, in this Mo Dasa itself. Period could be 2007 - 2009. Ma Dasa Sa Antardasa. Or is it, 2007 itself?! Sa->Sa->Mo occuring in 2007. Love, Sreenadh , " vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > > Thanks for informing that Moon is debilitated in D-9 if Chandra Hari > Ayanamsa is used.:( > > But if the proof of the pudding is in the eating and if real life > experiences have any meaning, the MD of Moon so far has been the > best period of life (touchwood!), with or without Agnimaruta yoga. > > It could be a mental illusion to think that Moon is with Jupiter (in > parivartan) in the sign of Jupiter in D-9 which has something to do > with this " fortunate " existence (I met my guru at the beginning of > Moon MD), but i would for some reason like to hang on to that > illusion.:) > > Love, > > Vinita > , sree nadh > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > Use Chandrahari Ayanamsa (44 min more than Lahari) > > and you will see that the Navamsa of Mo falls in > > Scorpio, the debilitation sign of Moon. > > While considering the strength of Moon always > > remember the sloka - > > " Paksholbhavam himakarsya visishtamahu > > Stanolbhamav tu balamapyadhikam paresham " > > (Madhaveeya) > > Meaning, for Moon, Pakshabala is specially important > > for Moon. But for other planets it is Stanabala > > (Strength due to placement) that is more important. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > --- vinita kumar <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > > > Thank you very much for taking the trouble to > > > explain this so nicely. > > > The mistake i was making is to think Moon is in > > > Upachaya even from > > > Moon lagna. > > > > > > I agree with the weakness of moon, though according > > > to D-9 Moon is in > > > Saggi (and not scorpio). It is with Saturn, but then > > > Saturn is in > > > Parivartan with Jupiter in Acquarius. I don't know > > > if this can be > > > construed to mean that that Moon is with Jupiter in > > > Saggi and > > > therefore not that weak. > > > > > > Anyway, I will leave it at that. > > > > > > Many thanks once again for explaining this. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Vinita > > > > > > , > > > " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > > It is not like that. > > > > The second rule says - > > > > ==> > > > > > The strength of the sign is equal to the > > > strength of the > > > > > sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in > > > Upachaya (3-6-10-11) > > > sign > > > > > from there onwards then the sign becomes > > > stronger (gets more > > > > > importance). > > > > <== > > > > From your Lagna sign Ve is in 3rd house - 1 pt. > > > > From the Moon sign Mo is NOT in Upachaya sign - 0 > > > pt > > > > > > > > Now comes ascertaining the strength of sign based > > > on the strength > > > of > > > > planet - > > > > The Lagan lord posited in Cn has navamsa in Aq - > > > Normal strength > > > > (The same applies to Lagna sign) > > > > The Moon sign lord is posited in its own sign - > > > So normally should > > > > be considered strong. But look at Navamsa of Mo, > > > it is in > > > > debilitation. So there is not much Stanabala to > > > Moon. It is said > > > that > > > > for Mo Pakshabala is more important when > > > ascertaining the strength > > > of > > > > the planet than Stanabala (Strength due to > > > placement). You will see > > > > that Mo has neither enough Pakshabala as well. In > > > your chart Mo is > > > so > > > > close to Sun (It is only Sukla Triteeya, the 3rd > > > Tithi after > > > amavasi) > > > > and so Mo is week. The same applies to the Moon > > > sign as well. > > > > So here the Lagna sign wins over Moon sign. All > > > these are based > > > on > > > > the Second rule. > > > > Now considering the 1st rule - > > > > ==> > > > > > If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) > > > or > > > > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes > > > stronger (gets more > > > > > importance). > > > > <== > > > > Neither Lagna lord, Ju or Me aspects Lagna. No > > > good or bad > > > Drishti > > > > is there on the Lagna. - 0 pts. > > > > Now considering the Moon sign, the Moon sign > > > lord (Mo) is posited > > > > in the Moon sign (Cn) itself. Neither Ju or Me > > > aspects Moon sign. - > > > 1 > > > > pt. So should we consider it as stronger than > > > Lagna sign? I would > > > say > > > > no, because from the earlier rule we know that > > > Moon sign is week > > > even > > > > though Mo is there in it since Mo is weak. So I > > > would prefer not to > > > > allocate any points to Moon sign as well in this > > > case. > > > > You can use the following points to substantiate > > > it - > > > > Lagna is in a normal state without any good or > > > bad aspects. But > > > here > > > > Moon sign is aspected by the two biggest malefics, > > > Sa (using its > > > 10th > > > > special aspect) and Ma (with its 8th special > > > aspect). It is > > > > agnimaruta yoga a destructive combination for the > > > Moon sign. Of > > > > course these are not mentioned in the above rule > > > but I am using > > > them > > > > as substantiate evidence for not assigning points > > > to Moon sign. > > > > > > > > So the conclusion - > > > > Legna stands out winner with single point gained, > > > and so the > > > reading > > > > should be based on Lagna. > > > > Your life experiences itself will substantiate > > > it, and will speak > > > to > > > > you that Lagna sign is more important than Moon > > > sign in your > > > chart > > > > > > > > P.S: Of course the Moon sign gains strength with > > > life, as you can > > > see > > > > in your own life and you turned to astrology at > > > the later stage of > > > > life. Cn is known as the Daivanjcha Rasi > > > (Astrologer sign), that > > > > gives more importance to emotions and intuition. > > > This > > > competition > > > > between your Lagna sign and Moon sign is also > > > necessary to explain > > > > the conflicts between your worldly and spiritual > > > aspirations. So we > > > > have no right to out rightly reject Moon sign as > > > well. But the > > > > point is that COMPARATIVELY Lagna sign is stronger > > > than Moon sign > > > in > > > > your chart and to correctly predict/decipher the > > > events that took > > > > place in your life from your chart it is important > > > to understand > > > the > > > > importance of Lagna, and the need to primarily > > > read the chart from > > > > there on, in your horoscope. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , > > > " vinita kumar " > > > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh,All > > > > > > > > > > I can imagine your impatience....here u are > > > trying to move > > > forward > > > > > and people like me are raising doubts because > > > they cannot > > > > understand > > > > > the basic things....not because of your > > > English....its very, very > > > > > clear and understandable,if not beautiful at > > > times, ....but > > > because > > > > > of their (read my)capacity to understand. > > > > > > > > > > THE QUESTION > > > > > > > > > > Now the question is how to determine whether > > > Lagna sign or Moon > > > > > sign is stronger. Traditionally we depend on two > > > slokas. > > > > > (i) " Hora swami guru nja veekshita yuta > > > nanyascha veeryotkata " - > > > > > Varaha hora > > > > > Meaning, If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me > > > aspects (Drishti) or > > > > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes > > > stronger (gets more > > > > > importance). > > > > > (ii) " Lagnam lagna patou balena sahite tatulya > > > veeryam vidu > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, Mo is aspecting 9th house, and 9th house lord Sa is aspecting Mo > with its 10th special Drishti. Is that not enough to give the guru?! Sorry dear, I dont get the connection. Will any planet aspecting the 9th which is also aspected by the owner of the 9th give a guru? Should the same not apply to Venus too which conjoins Moon? Though I experimented with several spiritual organisations during Venus MD I couldn't stick to the practices for very long. I don't know if i am mixing up systems, but the way i look at it is that Moon is BK - so the guru had to come during MD of BK when it activated the 9th H with 7th H dristi. The 10th dristi of the owner of 9th house was always there but couldn't bring an " acceptable " guru until the Moon MD. (Since I do not know how to make adjustments for Chandra Hari Ayanamsha in JHL, and calculate the dashas, could u please tell me which dasha and antardasha I was running in the first / second quarter of 2003?) By the way, Sa aspecting Mo is a yoga that indicates repetition or > second occurance. Ve in Cn also indicate 2nd. Li sign also indicate > two. Is it your first guru or the second?! By any chance is it that > the 2nd guru you met and accepted? Dear Shreenadh i would be grateful if you could explain this more. Is it the aspect of Saturn situated in Libra (because Libra sign indicates 2) or would the aspect of Saturn situated anywhere indicate re-currence. The first looks more plausible. Otherwise, why should Saturn be associated with 2? It is not the owner of any dual sign. Supposing it was Mars in Libra aspecting Sun in Capricorn; or even Saturn in Libra aspecting Sun in Scorpio - what kind of duplication would this have signified? Ve in Cn also indicate 2nd. Yes, I know that. :( Many many people have told me that. Again is this on a stand alone basis, i.e., all cases of Venus in Cancer signify 2 or Venus has to be aspected by Saturn from Libra? What if Venus in Cancer is aspected by Jupiter from Pisces (a dual sign)? I personally feel that the aspect of Saturn from Libra on Venus in Cancer has a " binding " influence or an isolating influence or a balancing influence. This may be qualitatively very different from the aspect of, say Mars, from Aries or Capricorn or Saggi. Is it your first guru or the second?! By any chance is it that > the 2nd guru you met and accepted? As I told u, I tried several times, even recieved formal initiation once by a disciple and another time by a live guru of two different sects. Yes, this was the second initiation by a living guru. So u are right that he is the 2nd living guru I met and have accepted. Congrats on the right prediction! The period u have mentioned in Moon dasa, I hope will be the period to intensify the practices. Thankyou so much for your time and effort. This was really a very interesting and a good learning experience for me. I hope u will respond to some of the queries i have raised and the observations that i have made. Love, Vinita - In , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > > I met my guru at the beginning of Moon MD > > Mo is aspecting 9th house, and 9th house lord Sa is aspecting Mo > with its 10th special Drishti. Is that not enough to give the guru?! > By the way, Sa aspecting Mo is a yoga that indicates repetition or > second occurance. Ve in Cn also indicate 2nd. Li sign also indicate > two. Is it your first guru or the second?! By any chance is it that > the 2nd guru you met and accepted? > > P.S.: If it is the 1st, then the 2nd guru is there in waiting, in > this Mo Dasa itself. Period could be 2007 - 2009. Ma Dasa Sa > Antardasa. Or is it, 2007 itself?! Sa->Sa->Mo occuring in 2007. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " vinita kumar " > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > Thanks for informing that Moon is debilitated in D-9 if Chandra > Hari > > Ayanamsa is used.:( > > > > But if the proof of the pudding is in the eating and if real life > > experiences have any meaning, the MD of Moon so far has been the > > best period of life (touchwood!), with or without Agnimaruta yoga. > > > > It could be a mental illusion to think that Moon is with Jupiter > (in > > parivartan) in the sign of Jupiter in D-9 which has something to do > > with this " fortunate " existence (I met my guru at the beginning of > > Moon MD), but i would for some reason like to hang on to that > > illusion.:) > > > > Love, > > > > Vinita > > , sree nadh > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > Use Chandrahari Ayanamsa (44 min more than Lahari) > > > and you will see that the Navamsa of Mo falls in > > > Scorpio, the debilitation sign of Moon. > > > While considering the strength of Moon always > > > remember the sloka - > > > " Paksholbhavam himakarsya visishtamahu > > > Stanolbhamav tu balamapyadhikam paresham " > > > (Madhaveeya) > > > Meaning, for Moon, Pakshabala is specially important > > > for Moon. But for other planets it is Stanabala > > > (Strength due to placement) that is more important. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > --- vinita kumar <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for taking the trouble to > > > > explain this so nicely. > > > > The mistake i was making is to think Moon is in > > > > Upachaya even from > > > > Moon lagna. > > > > > > > > I agree with the weakness of moon, though according > > > > to D-9 Moon is in > > > > Saggi (and not scorpio). It is with Saturn, but then > > > > Saturn is in > > > > Parivartan with Jupiter in Acquarius. I don't know > > > > if this can be > > > > construed to mean that that Moon is with Jupiter in > > > > Saggi and > > > > therefore not that weak. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I will leave it at that. > > > > > > > > Many thanks once again for explaining this. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Vinita > > > > > > > > , > > > > " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > > > It is not like that. > > > > > The second rule says - > > > > > ==> > > > > > > The strength of the sign is equal to the > > > > strength of the > > > > > > sign lord. If the sign lord is posited in > > > > Upachaya (3-6-10-11) > > > > sign > > > > > > from there onwards then the sign becomes > > > > stronger (gets more > > > > > > importance). > > > > > <== > > > > > From your Lagna sign Ve is in 3rd house - 1 pt. > > > > > From the Moon sign Mo is NOT in Upachaya sign - 0 > > > > pt > > > > > > > > > > Now comes ascertaining the strength of sign based > > > > on the strength > > > > of > > > > > planet - > > > > > The Lagan lord posited in Cn has navamsa in Aq - > > > > Normal strength > > > > > (The same applies to Lagna sign) > > > > > The Moon sign lord is posited in its own sign - > > > > So normally should > > > > > be considered strong. But look at Navamsa of Mo, > > > > it is in > > > > > debilitation. So there is not much Stanabala to > > > > Moon. It is said > > > > that > > > > > for Mo Pakshabala is more important when > > > > ascertaining the strength > > > > of > > > > > the planet than Stanabala (Strength due to > > > > placement). You will see > > > > > that Mo has neither enough Pakshabala as well. In > > > > your chart Mo is > > > > so > > > > > close to Sun (It is only Sukla Triteeya, the 3rd > > > > Tithi after > > > > amavasi) > > > > > and so Mo is week. The same applies to the Moon > > > > sign as well. > > > > > So here the Lagna sign wins over Moon sign. All > > > > these are based > > > > on > > > > > the Second rule. > > > > > Now considering the 1st rule - > > > > > ==> > > > > > > If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me aspects (Drishti) > > > > or > > > > > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes > > > > stronger (gets more > > > > > > importance). > > > > > <== > > > > > Neither Lagna lord, Ju or Me aspects Lagna. No > > > > good or bad > > > > Drishti > > > > > is there on the Lagna. - 0 pts. > > > > > Now considering the Moon sign, the Moon sign > > > > lord (Mo) is posited > > > > > in the Moon sign (Cn) itself. Neither Ju or Me > > > > aspects Moon sign. - > > > > 1 > > > > > pt. So should we consider it as stronger than > > > > Lagna sign? I would > > > > say > > > > > no, because from the earlier rule we know that > > > > Moon sign is week > > > > even > > > > > though Mo is there in it since Mo is weak. So I > > > > would prefer not to > > > > > allocate any points to Moon sign as well in this > > > > case. > > > > > You can use the following points to substantiate > > > > it - > > > > > Lagna is in a normal state without any good or > > > > bad aspects. But > > > > here > > > > > Moon sign is aspected by the two biggest malefics, > > > > Sa (using its > > > > 10th > > > > > special aspect) and Ma (with its 8th special > > > > aspect). It is > > > > > agnimaruta yoga a destructive combination for the > > > > Moon sign. Of > > > > > course these are not mentioned in the above rule > > > > but I am using > > > > them > > > > > as substantiate evidence for not assigning points > > > > to Moon sign. > > > > > > > > > > So the conclusion - > > > > > Legna stands out winner with single point gained, > > > > and so the > > > > reading > > > > > should be based on Lagna. > > > > > Your life experiences itself will substantiate > > > > it, and will speak > > > > to > > > > > you that Lagna sign is more important than Moon > > > > sign in your > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Of course the Moon sign gains strength with > > > > life, as you can > > > > see > > > > > in your own life and you turned to astrology at > > > > the later stage of > > > > > life. Cn is known as the Daivanjcha Rasi > > > > (Astrologer sign), that > > > > > gives more importance to emotions and intuition. > > > > This > > > > competition > > > > > between your Lagna sign and Moon sign is also > > > > necessary to explain > > > > > the conflicts between your worldly and spiritual > > > > aspirations. So we > > > > > have no right to out rightly reject Moon sign as > > > > well. But the > > > > > point is that COMPARATIVELY Lagna sign is stronger > > > > than Moon sign > > > > in > > > > > your chart and to correctly predict/decipher the > > > > events that took > > > > > place in your life from your chart it is important > > > > to understand > > > > the > > > > > importance of Lagna, and the need to primarily > > > > read the chart from > > > > > there on, in your horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " vinita kumar " > > > > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh,All > > > > > > > > > > > > I can imagine your impatience....here u are > > > > trying to move > > > > forward > > > > > > and people like me are raising doubts because > > > > they cannot > > > > > understand > > > > > > the basic things....not because of your > > > > English....its very, very > > > > > > clear and understandable,if not beautiful at > > > > times, ....but > > > > because > > > > > > of their (read my)capacity to understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > THE QUESTION > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the question is how to determine whether > > > > Lagna sign or Moon > > > > > > sign is stronger. Traditionally we depend on two > > > > slokas. > > > > > > (i) " Hora swami guru nja veekshita yuta > > > > nanyascha veeryotkata " - > > > > > > Varaha hora > > > > > > Meaning, If Lord of the sign, Ju or Me > > > > aspects (Drishti) or > > > > > > posited in the sign then that sign becomes > > > > stronger (gets more > > > > > > importance). > > > > > > (ii) " Lagnam lagna patou balena sahite tatulya > > > > veeryam vidu > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, ==> > Yes, this was the second initiation by a > living guru. So u > are right that he is the 2nd living guru I met and > have accepted. > Congrats on the right prediction! <== Thanks for that. yap, you are right. It was a prediction, and not an explanation. Let me explain some points: One of the prime rules in astrology is that, if and only if 2 or more possibilities indicate in the same direction, such a prediction should be made. The Sanskrit statement is " DwiTri samvada bhaval " Meaning if two, three or more indicate in the same direction. This rule applies to every result predicted, by any astrologer. Now let us see how this applies to the prediction we made - 1) Sa (Old) aspecting Mo (New) is a yoga that indicates renewal of a old item. It is a yoga that indicates repetition. This can be applied in a variety of situation. this yoga is termed " Punarbhu " Yoga in Sanskrit. Just for the sake convenience, let us assume that here the word 'repetition' indicate 2nd. Thus this Punarbhu yoga could indicate 2nd marriage, 2nd birth, 2nd initiation, renewing of house etc as per the situation warrants. In your chart Sa is 9th lord (guru or spiritual guide) and so it should indicate, 2nd intiation to you (Mo indicates you as well, right?). Ok. How many gurus are there? Sa in exaltation indicates three! " Swache Trisamgunam " , Meaning if the graha is in exaltation, multiply it with 3 says classics. So 3 Gurus who would initiate you. Two already, and you have mentioned it, and one remaining! This one way of looking at it, and so we get one possibility to predict a result. 2) In the marriage context, while speaking about Ve in Cn, Mihira says, " Dwibharyordhi " Meaning, 2 wives. Here our context is different, and but still from the above we know that Ve in Cn can indicate the number two. We are trying to predict something related to Ve or Mo dasa and both of them are together in Cn. Ve is Lagna lord (indicating you) and the 9th lord has a relation to it through 10th special aspect. So this also could indicate 2nd initiation to you. 3) Mo in its own house indicate two. How? " Swerkshe Dwi samgunam " , Meaning, if the graha is in its own house multiply by two says classics. So any planet in its own house can indicate the number two. Here Mo (indicating you) is aspected by 9th lord and so this combination also indicates 2nd initiation. 4) All the above combinations are essentially related Sa which is placed in Libra. Sa (indicating Guru) is the one who should give initiation (to you). But Sa can not give a result which he does not possess. As you can see Sa aspects Ve-Mo (and not vise versa) Sa (Guru) should GIVE the result, and Ve-Mo (You) should accept the result. This necessitates that Sa should also represent two or take the number two from the sign in which it is posited. Libra is not an Dwiswabhava sign (Dwiswabhava signs naturally indicates two), but the shape assigned to Libra is of a balance, which naturally indicates two. If you are not convinced, look at the predictions given for Libra sign by Mihira. He says, " Dwinama " Meaning, one born in Libra sign will have two names. This is not important to us, but from the above statement we learn that, Libra sign naturally indicates the number two. So Sa (the guru - since it is the 9th lord) in Libra indicates 2 gurus and not one. When we sum up all the above thoughts, we get the clear picture that, you would be initiated twice for sure (and may be thrice) by 2 different gurus. Now we can predict this result, since it fullfills the " Dwi tri samvada bhava " criteria, mentioned at the beginning of this mail. Got the prediction path clear? We all (as students of ancient system of astrology) is supposed to follow such systematic method, totally depending on words and pointers given by ancient rishis, and logical systematic thinking, in EACH of our predictions. Violation of this is a violation of the system taught to us by them. ==> > Since I do not know how to make adjustments for > Chandra Hari Ayanamsha in JHL, and calculate the > dashas, could u please tell me > which dasha and antardasha I was running in the > first / second quarter of 2003?) <== Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Sun MD: 1997-11-23 (10:45:23 am) - 2003-10-23 (10:45:23 am) Antardasas in this MD: Sun: 1997-11-23 (10:45:23 am) - 1998-03-11 (10:45:23 am) Moon: 1998-03-11 (10:45:23 am) - 1998-09-07 (10:45:23 am) Mars: 1998-09-07 (10:45:23 am) - 1999-01-11 (10:45:23 am) Rah: 1999-01-11 (10:45:23 am) - 1999-12-01 (10:45:23 am) Jup: 1999-12-01 (10:45:23 am) - 2000-09-14 (10:45:23 am) Sat: 2000-09-14 (10:45:23 am) - 2001-08-22 (10:45:23 am) Merc: 2001-08-22 (10:45:23 am) - 2002-06-24 (10:45:23 am) Ket: 2002-06-24 (10:45:23 am) - 2002-10-28 (10:45:23 am) Ven: 2002-10-28 (10:45:23 am) - 2003-10-23 (10:45:23 am) P.S: Please don't make me type this much, by asking simple questions. Love, Sreenadh --- vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > Dear Shreenadh, > > Mo is aspecting 9th house, and 9th house lord Sa is > aspecting Mo > > with its 10th special Drishti. Is that not enough > to give the > guru?! > > Sorry dear, I dont get the connection. Will any > planet aspecting the > 9th which is also aspected by the owner of the 9th > give a guru? > Should the same not apply to Venus too which > conjoins Moon? Though I > experimented with several spiritual organisations > during Venus MD I > couldn't stick to the practices for very long. > > I don't know if i am mixing up systems, but the way > i look at it is > that Moon is BK - so the guru had to come during MD > of BK when it > activated the 9th H with 7th H dristi. The 10th > dristi of the owner > of 9th house was always there but couldn't bring an > " acceptable " > guru until the Moon MD. > > (Since I do not know how to make adjustments for > Chandra Hari > Ayanamsha in JHL, and calculate the dashas, could u > please tell me > which dasha and antardasha I was running in the > first / second > quarter of 2003?) > > > By the way, Sa aspecting Mo is a yoga that indicates > repetition or > > second occurance. Ve in Cn also indicate 2nd. Li > sign also > indicate > > two. Is it your first guru or the second?! By any > chance is it > that > > the 2nd guru you met and accepted? > > Dear Shreenadh i would be grateful if you could > explain this more. > Is it the aspect of Saturn situated in Libra > (because Libra sign > indicates 2) or would the aspect of Saturn situated > anywhere > indicate re-currence. The first looks more > plausible. Otherwise, why > should Saturn be associated with 2? It is not the > owner of any dual > sign. Supposing it was Mars in Libra aspecting Sun > in Capricorn; or > even Saturn in Libra aspecting Sun in Scorpio - what > kind of > duplication would this have signified? > > Ve in Cn also indicate 2nd. > > Yes, I know that. :( Many many people have told > me that. Again > is this on a stand alone basis, i.e., all cases of > Venus in Cancer > signify 2 or Venus has to be aspected by Saturn from > Libra? What if > Venus in Cancer is aspected by Jupiter from Pisces > (a dual sign)? I > personally feel that the aspect of Saturn from Libra > on Venus in > Cancer has a " binding " influence or an isolating > influence or a > balancing influence. This may be qualitatively very > different from > the aspect of, say Mars, from Aries or Capricorn or > Saggi. > > Is it your first guru or the second?! By any chance > is it that > > the 2nd guru you met and accepted? > > As I told u, I tried several times, even recieved > formal initiation > once by a disciple and another time by a live guru > of two different > sects. Yes, this was the second initiation by a > living guru. So u > are right that he is the 2nd living guru I met and > have accepted. > Congrats on the right prediction! > > The period u have mentioned in Moon dasa, I hope > will be the period > to intensify the practices. > > Thankyou so much for your time and effort. This was > really a very > interesting and a good learning experience for me. I > hope u will > respond to some of the queries i have raised and the > observations > that i have made. > > Love, > Vinita > > > - In , > " Sreenadh " > <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > I met my guru at the beginning of Moon MD > > > > Mo is aspecting 9th house, and 9th house lord Sa > is aspecting Mo > > with its 10th special Drishti. Is that not enough > to give the > guru?! > > By the way, Sa aspecting Mo is a yoga that > indicates repetition > or > > second occurance. Ve in Cn also indicate 2nd. Li > sign also > indicate > > two. Is it your first guru or the second?! By any > chance is it > that > > the 2nd guru you met and accepted? > > > > P.S.: If it is the 1st, then the 2nd guru is > there in waiting, in > > this Mo Dasa itself. Period could be 2007 - > 2009. Ma Dasa Sa > > Antardasa. Or is it, 2007 itself?! Sa->Sa->Mo > occuring in 2007. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , > " vinita kumar " > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > > > Thanks for informing that Moon is debilitated in > D-9 if Chandra > > Hari > > > Ayanamsa is used.:( > > > > > > But if the proof of the pudding is in the eating > and if real > life > > > experiences have any meaning, the MD of Moon so > far has been the > > > best period of life (touchwood!), with or > without Agnimaruta > yoga. > > > > > > It could be a mental illusion to think that Moon > is with Jupiter > > (in > > > parivartan) in the sign of Jupiter in D-9 which > has something to > do > > > with this " fortunate " existence (I met my guru > at the beginning > of > > > Moon MD), but i would for some reason like to > hang on to that > > > illusion.:) > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Vinita > > > , > sree nadh > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > > Use Chandrahari Ayanamsa (44 min more than > Lahari) > > > > and you will see that the Navamsa of Mo falls > in > > > > Scorpio, the debilitation sign of Moon. > > > > While considering the strength of Moon always > > > > remember the sloka - > > > > " Paksholbhavam himakarsya visishtamahu > > > > Stanolbhamav tu balamapyadhikam paresham " > > > > (Madhaveeya) > > > > Meaning, for Moon, Pakshabala is specially > important > > > > for Moon. But for other planets it is > Stanabala > > > > (Strength due to placement) that is more > important. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > ==> > > Yes, this was the second initiation by a > > living guru. So u > > are right that he is the 2nd living guru I met and > > have accepted. > > Congrats on the right prediction! > <== > Thanks for that. yap, you are right. It was a > prediction, and not an explanation. > > Let me explain some points: > One of the prime rules in astrology is that, if and > only if 2 or more possibilities indicate in the same > direction, such a prediction should be made. The > Sanskrit statement is " DwiTri samvada bhaval " Meaning > if two, three or more indicate in the same direction. > This rule applies to every result predicted, by any > astrologer. > Now let us see how this applies to the prediction we > made - > 1) Sa (Old) aspecting Mo (New) is a yoga that > indicates renewal of a old item. It is a yoga that > indicates repetition. This can be applied in a variety > of situation. this yoga is termed " Punarbhu " Yoga in > Sanskrit. Just for the sake convenience, let us assume > that here the word 'repetition' indicate 2nd. Thus > this Punarbhu yoga could indicate 2nd marriage, 2nd > birth, 2nd initiation, renewing of house etc as per > the situation warrants. In your chart Sa is 9th lord > (guru or spiritual guide) and so it should indicate, > 2nd intiation to you (Mo indicates you as well, > right?). Ok. How many gurus are there? Sa in > exaltation indicates three! " Swache Trisamgunam " , > Meaning if the graha is in exaltation, multiply it > with 3 says classics. So 3 Gurus who would initiate > you. Two already, and you have mentioned it, and one > remaining! This one way of looking at it, and so we > get one possibility to predict a result. > 2) In the marriage context, while speaking about Ve > in Cn, Mihira says, " Dwibharyordhi " Meaning, 2 wives. > Here our context is different, and but still from the > above we know that Ve in Cn can indicate the number > two. We are trying to predict something related to Ve > or Mo dasa and both of them are together in Cn. Ve is > Lagna lord (indicating you) and the 9th lord has a > relation to it through 10th special aspect. So this > also could indicate 2nd initiation to you. > 3) Mo in its own house indicate two. How? " Swerkshe > Dwi samgunam " , Meaning, if the graha is in its own > house multiply by two says classics. So any planet in > its own house can indicate the number two. Here Mo > (indicating you) is aspected by 9th lord and so this > combination also indicates 2nd initiation. > 4) All the above combinations are essentially related > Sa which is placed in Libra. Sa (indicating Guru) is > the one who should give initiation (to you). But Sa > can not give a result which he does not possess. As > you can see Sa aspects Ve-Mo (and not vise versa) Sa > (Guru) should GIVE the result, and Ve-Mo (You) should > accept the result. This necessitates that Sa should > also represent two or take the number two from the > sign in which it is posited. Libra is not an > Dwiswabhava sign (Dwiswabhava signs naturally > indicates two), but the shape assigned to Libra is of > a balance, which naturally indicates two. If you are > not convinced, look at the predictions given for Libra > sign by Mihira. He says, " Dwinama " Meaning, one born > in Libra sign will have two names. This is not > important to us, but from the above statement we learn > that, Libra sign naturally indicates the number two. > So Sa (the guru - since it is the 9th lord) in Libra > indicates 2 gurus and not one. > When we sum up all the above thoughts, we get the > clear picture that, you would be initiated twice for > sure (and may be thrice) by 2 different gurus. Now we > can predict this result, since it fullfills the " Dwi > tri samvada bhava " criteria, mentioned at the > beginning of this mail. > Got the prediction path clear? We all (as students > of ancient system of astrology) is supposed to follow > such systematic method, totally depending on words and > pointers given by ancient rishis, and logical > systematic thinking, in EACH of our predictions. > Violation of this is a violation of the system taught > to us by them. Sree, I normally dislike mere 'thank you' posts but I'll make an exception this once. One heck of an expound! +++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, I was sooooooooooooooo impressed by your explanation. I dont think i will bother you with trivial questions any more. You really inspire me to study more and more....But where to begin? This is an ocean :0 ;0 :0 which is very daunting and soooo vaste to say the least. The only niggling doubt is that even with a debilitated Moon in D-9 (according to Chandra Hari Ayanamsha) how was this possible? I would feel more comfortable with Saturn holding hands with Moon in D-9 in the 9th House and Jupiter in Parivartana with Saturn. Interestingly, your entire explanation is centred on the rasi chart and there is nothing used as supporting material from d-9. I think i have to slap myself for never being fully satisfied. Once again the Saturn effect, I think ;) MAny, many thanks, once again! Love, Vinita , " vernalagnia " <vernalagnia wrote: > > , sree nadh > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > ==> > > > Yes, this was the second initiation by a > > > living guru. So u > > > are right that he is the 2nd living guru I met and > > > have accepted. > > > Congrats on the right prediction! > > <== > > Thanks for that. yap, you are right. It was a > > prediction, and not an explanation. > > > > Let me explain some points: > > One of the prime rules in astrology is that, if and > > only if 2 or more possibilities indicate in the same > > direction, such a prediction should be made. The > > Sanskrit statement is " DwiTri samvada bhaval " Meaning > > if two, three or more indicate in the same direction. > > This rule applies to every result predicted, by any > > astrologer. > > Now let us see how this applies to the prediction we > > made - > > 1) Sa (Old) aspecting Mo (New) is a yoga that > > indicates renewal of a old item. It is a yoga that > > indicates repetition. This can be applied in a variety > > of situation. this yoga is termed " Punarbhu " Yoga in > > Sanskrit. Just for the sake convenience, let us assume > > that here the word 'repetition' indicate 2nd. Thus > > this Punarbhu yoga could indicate 2nd marriage, 2nd > > birth, 2nd initiation, renewing of house etc as per > > the situation warrants. In your chart Sa is 9th lord > > (guru or spiritual guide) and so it should indicate, > > 2nd intiation to you (Mo indicates you as well, > > right?). Ok. How many gurus are there? Sa in > > exaltation indicates three! " Swache Trisamgunam " , > > Meaning if the graha is in exaltation, multiply it > > with 3 says classics. So 3 Gurus who would initiate > > you. Two already, and you have mentioned it, and one > > remaining! This one way of looking at it, and so we > > get one possibility to predict a result. > > 2) In the marriage context, while speaking about Ve > > in Cn, Mihira says, " Dwibharyordhi " Meaning, 2 wives. > > Here our context is different, and but still from the > > above we know that Ve in Cn can indicate the number > > two. We are trying to predict something related to Ve > > or Mo dasa and both of them are together in Cn. Ve is > > Lagna lord (indicating you) and the 9th lord has a > > relation to it through 10th special aspect. So this > > also could indicate 2nd initiation to you. > > 3) Mo in its own house indicate two. How? " Swerkshe > > Dwi samgunam " , Meaning, if the graha is in its own > > house multiply by two says classics. So any planet in > > its own house can indicate the number two. Here Mo > > (indicating you) is aspected by 9th lord and so this > > combination also indicates 2nd initiation. > > 4) All the above combinations are essentially related > > Sa which is placed in Libra. Sa (indicating Guru) is > > the one who should give initiation (to you). But Sa > > can not give a result which he does not possess. As > > you can see Sa aspects Ve-Mo (and not vise versa) Sa > > (Guru) should GIVE the result, and Ve-Mo (You) should > > accept the result. This necessitates that Sa should > > also represent two or take the number two from the > > sign in which it is posited. Libra is not an > > Dwiswabhava sign (Dwiswabhava signs naturally > > indicates two), but the shape assigned to Libra is of > > a balance, which naturally indicates two. If you are > > not convinced, look at the predictions given for Libra > > sign by Mihira. He says, " Dwinama " Meaning, one born > > in Libra sign will have two names. This is not > > important to us, but from the above statement we learn > > that, Libra sign naturally indicates the number two. > > So Sa (the guru - since it is the 9th lord) in Libra > > indicates 2 gurus and not one. > > When we sum up all the above thoughts, we get the > > clear picture that, you would be initiated twice for > > sure (and may be thrice) by 2 different gurus. Now we > > can predict this result, since it fullfills the " Dwi > > tri samvada bhava " criteria, mentioned at the > > beginning of this mail. > > Got the prediction path clear? We all (as students > > of ancient system of astrology) is supposed to follow > > such systematic method, totally depending on words and > > pointers given by ancient rishis, and logical > > systematic thinking, in EACH of our predictions. > > Violation of this is a violation of the system taught > > to us by them. > > > Sree, > > I normally dislike mere 'thank you' posts but I'll make an exception > this once. One heck of an expound! > > +++ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Dear Vinita ji, Don't you know that a debilitated Moon (unsatisfied/worried mind) always needs a guru? The Navamsa of Mo falls in a sign were a guru is really a necessity. If not sure look at the sign of debilitation of Moon, i.e. Scorpio. The 9th lord (from Scorpio) is debilitated in this sign, and the lord of Scorpio is debilitated in 9th. So it would be always better at least one guru is there to show the path. Be satisfied at least because Ve (you) is with Ju (guru) in Navamsaka. See that Ju-Ve combination is present in Aq (the sign of Sa. Sa is also the 9th lord indicating guru. Ju is the significator of guru) in Navamsaka. Navamsaka = The sign in which Navamsa falls. Navamsa of Mo (in your chart)= 5th Navamsa of Cn. Navamsaka of Mo (in your cahrt) = Scorpio. Love, Sreenadh , " vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > > I was sooooooooooooooo impressed by your explanation. I dont think i > will bother you with trivial questions any more. You really inspire > me to study more and more....But where to begin? This is an > ocean :0 ;0 :0 which is very daunting and soooo vaste to say the > least. > > The only niggling doubt is that even with a debilitated Moon in D-9 > (according to Chandra Hari Ayanamsha) how was this possible? I would > feel more comfortable with Saturn holding hands with Moon in D-9 in > the 9th House and Jupiter in Parivartana with Saturn. Interestingly, > your entire explanation is centred on the rasi chart and there is > nothing used as supporting material from d-9. > > I think i have to slap myself for never being fully satisfied. Once > again the Saturn effect, I think ;) > > MAny, many thanks, once again! > > Love, > Vinita > > > > , " vernalagnia " > <vernalagnia@> wrote: > > > > , sree nadh > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > ==> > > > > Yes, this was the second initiation by a > > > > living guru. So u > > > > are right that he is the 2nd living guru I met and > > > > have accepted. > > > > Congrats on the right prediction! > > > <== > > > Thanks for that. yap, you are right. It was a > > > prediction, and not an explanation. > > > > > > Let me explain some points: > > > One of the prime rules in astrology is that, if and > > > only if 2 or more possibilities indicate in the same > > > direction, such a prediction should be made. The > > > Sanskrit statement is " DwiTri samvada bhaval " Meaning > > > if two, three or more indicate in the same direction. > > > This rule applies to every result predicted, by any > > > astrologer. > > > Now let us see how this applies to the prediction we > > > made - > > > 1) Sa (Old) aspecting Mo (New) is a yoga that > > > indicates renewal of a old item. It is a yoga that > > > indicates repetition. This can be applied in a variety > > > of situation. this yoga is termed " Punarbhu " Yoga in > > > Sanskrit. Just for the sake convenience, let us assume > > > that here the word 'repetition' indicate 2nd. Thus > > > this Punarbhu yoga could indicate 2nd marriage, 2nd > > > birth, 2nd initiation, renewing of house etc as per > > > the situation warrants. In your chart Sa is 9th lord > > > (guru or spiritual guide) and so it should indicate, > > > 2nd intiation to you (Mo indicates you as well, > > > right?). Ok. How many gurus are there? Sa in > > > exaltation indicates three! " Swache Trisamgunam " , > > > Meaning if the graha is in exaltation, multiply it > > > with 3 says classics. So 3 Gurus who would initiate > > > you. Two already, and you have mentioned it, and one > > > remaining! This one way of looking at it, and so we > > > get one possibility to predict a result. > > > 2) In the marriage context, while speaking about Ve > > > in Cn, Mihira says, " Dwibharyordhi " Meaning, 2 wives. > > > Here our context is different, and but still from the > > > above we know that Ve in Cn can indicate the number > > > two. We are trying to predict something related to Ve > > > or Mo dasa and both of them are together in Cn. Ve is > > > Lagna lord (indicating you) and the 9th lord has a > > > relation to it through 10th special aspect. So this > > > also could indicate 2nd initiation to you. > > > 3) Mo in its own house indicate two. How? " Swerkshe > > > Dwi samgunam " , Meaning, if the graha is in its own > > > house multiply by two says classics. So any planet in > > > its own house can indicate the number two. Here Mo > > > (indicating you) is aspected by 9th lord and so this > > > combination also indicates 2nd initiation. > > > 4) All the above combinations are essentially related > > > Sa which is placed in Libra. Sa (indicating Guru) is > > > the one who should give initiation (to you). But Sa > > > can not give a result which he does not possess. As > > > you can see Sa aspects Ve-Mo (and not vise versa) Sa > > > (Guru) should GIVE the result, and Ve-Mo (You) should > > > accept the result. This necessitates that Sa should > > > also represent two or take the number two from the > > > sign in which it is posited. Libra is not an > > > Dwiswabhava sign (Dwiswabhava signs naturally > > > indicates two), but the shape assigned to Libra is of > > > a balance, which naturally indicates two. If you are > > > not convinced, look at the predictions given for Libra > > > sign by Mihira. He says, " Dwinama " Meaning, one born > > > in Libra sign will have two names. This is not > > > important to us, but from the above statement we learn > > > that, Libra sign naturally indicates the number two. > > > So Sa (the guru - since it is the 9th lord) in Libra > > > indicates 2 gurus and not one. > > > When we sum up all the above thoughts, we get the > > > clear picture that, you would be initiated twice for > > > sure (and may be thrice) by 2 different gurus. Now we > > > can predict this result, since it fullfills the " Dwi > > > tri samvada bhava " criteria, mentioned at the > > > beginning of this mail. > > > Got the prediction path clear? We all (as students > > > of ancient system of astrology) is supposed to follow > > > such systematic method, totally depending on words and > > > pointers given by ancient rishis, and logical > > > systematic thinking, in EACH of our predictions. > > > Violation of this is a violation of the system taught > > > to us by them. > > > > > > Sree, > > > > I normally dislike mere 'thank you' posts but I'll make an > exception > > this once. One heck of an expound! > > > > +++ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Namaste Sreenadh, Very interesting analysis. The Mihira shloka you cite are from Brihat Jataka OR Varah Hora ? Looking at the theme ( multiplying by 2 or 3 based on own or exaltation) Would you say if someone has seventh lord exalted will marry three times ? The interpretation has to be different for such a situation. .... Messages | Files | Photos | Polls You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un We Made Changes Your email is all new. Learn More Share Feedback Recent Activity 5 New Members 1 New Links 3 New Files Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Thanks once again, Shreenadh! No more questions (for some time) , till i learn some more. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > Don't you know that a debilitated Moon (unsatisfied/worried mind) > always needs a guru? > The Navamsa of Mo falls in a sign were a guru is really a > necessity. If not sure look at the sign of debilitation of Moon, > i.e. Scorpio. The 9th lord (from Scorpio) is debilitated in this > sign, and the lord of Scorpio is debilitated in 9th. So it would be > always better at least one guru is there to show the path. > Be satisfied at least because Ve (you) is with Ju (guru) in > Navamsaka. See that Ju-Ve combination is present in Aq (the sign > of Sa. Sa is also the 9th lord indicating guru. Ju is the > significator of guru) in Navamsaka. > > Navamsaka = The sign in which Navamsa falls. > Navamsa of Mo (in your chart)= 5th Navamsa of Cn. > Navamsaka of Mo (in your cahrt) = Scorpio. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " vinita kumar " > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shreenadh, > > > > I was sooooooooooooooo impressed by your explanation. I dont think > i > > will bother you with trivial questions any more. You really inspire > > me to study more and more....But where to begin? This is an > > ocean :0 ;0 :0 which is very daunting and soooo vaste to say the > > least. > > > > The only niggling doubt is that even with a debilitated Moon in D-9 > > (according to Chandra Hari Ayanamsha) how was this possible? I > would > > feel more comfortable with Saturn holding hands with Moon in D-9 in > > the 9th House and Jupiter in Parivartana with Saturn. > Interestingly, > > your entire explanation is centred on the rasi chart and there is > > nothing used as supporting material from d-9. > > > > I think i have to slap myself for never being fully satisfied. Once > > again the Saturn effect, I think ;) > > > > MAny, many thanks, once again! > > > > Love, > > Vinita > > > > > > > > , " vernalagnia " > > <vernalagnia@> wrote: > > > > > > , sree nadh > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > > ==> > > > > > Yes, this was the second initiation by a > > > > > living guru. So u > > > > > are right that he is the 2nd living guru I met and > > > > > have accepted. > > > > > Congrats on the right prediction! > > > > <== > > > > Thanks for that. yap, you are right. It was a > > > > prediction, and not an explanation. > > > > > > > > Let me explain some points: > > > > One of the prime rules in astrology is that, if and > > > > only if 2 or more possibilities indicate in the same > > > > direction, such a prediction should be made. The > > > > Sanskrit statement is " DwiTri samvada bhaval " Meaning > > > > if two, three or more indicate in the same direction. > > > > This rule applies to every result predicted, by any > > > > astrologer. > > > > Now let us see how this applies to the prediction we > > > > made - > > > > 1) Sa (Old) aspecting Mo (New) is a yoga that > > > > indicates renewal of a old item. It is a yoga that > > > > indicates repetition. This can be applied in a variety > > > > of situation. this yoga is termed " Punarbhu " Yoga in > > > > Sanskrit. Just for the sake convenience, let us assume > > > > that here the word 'repetition' indicate 2nd. Thus > > > > this Punarbhu yoga could indicate 2nd marriage, 2nd > > > > birth, 2nd initiation, renewing of house etc as per > > > > the situation warrants. In your chart Sa is 9th lord > > > > (guru or spiritual guide) and so it should indicate, > > > > 2nd intiation to you (Mo indicates you as well, > > > > right?). Ok. How many gurus are there? Sa in > > > > exaltation indicates three! " Swache Trisamgunam " , > > > > Meaning if the graha is in exaltation, multiply it > > > > with 3 says classics. So 3 Gurus who would initiate > > > > you. Two already, and you have mentioned it, and one > > > > remaining! This one way of looking at it, and so we > > > > get one possibility to predict a result. > > > > 2) In the marriage context, while speaking about Ve > > > > in Cn, Mihira says, " Dwibharyordhi " Meaning, 2 wives. > > > > Here our context is different, and but still from the > > > > above we know that Ve in Cn can indicate the number > > > > two. We are trying to predict something related to Ve > > > > or Mo dasa and both of them are together in Cn. Ve is > > > > Lagna lord (indicating you) and the 9th lord has a > > > > relation to it through 10th special aspect. So this > > > > also could indicate 2nd initiation to you. > > > > 3) Mo in its own house indicate two. How? " Swerkshe > > > > Dwi samgunam " , Meaning, if the graha is in its own > > > > house multiply by two says classics. So any planet in > > > > its own house can indicate the number two. Here Mo > > > > (indicating you) is aspected by 9th lord and so this > > > > combination also indicates 2nd initiation. > > > > 4) All the above combinations are essentially related > > > > Sa which is placed in Libra. Sa (indicating Guru) is > > > > the one who should give initiation (to you). But Sa > > > > can not give a result which he does not possess. As > > > > you can see Sa aspects Ve-Mo (and not vise versa) Sa > > > > (Guru) should GIVE the result, and Ve-Mo (You) should > > > > accept the result. This necessitates that Sa should > > > > also represent two or take the number two from the > > > > sign in which it is posited. Libra is not an > > > > Dwiswabhava sign (Dwiswabhava signs naturally > > > > indicates two), but the shape assigned to Libra is of > > > > a balance, which naturally indicates two. If you are > > > > not convinced, look at the predictions given for Libra > > > > sign by Mihira. He says, " Dwinama " Meaning, one born > > > > in Libra sign will have two names. This is not > > > > important to us, but from the above statement we learn > > > > that, Libra sign naturally indicates the number two. > > > > So Sa (the guru - since it is the 9th lord) in Libra > > > > indicates 2 gurus and not one. > > > > When we sum up all the above thoughts, we get the > > > > clear picture that, you would be initiated twice for > > > > sure (and may be thrice) by 2 different gurus. Now we > > > > can predict this result, since it fullfills the " Dwi > > > > tri samvada bhava " criteria, mentioned at the > > > > beginning of this mail. > > > > Got the prediction path clear? We all (as students > > > > of ancient system of astrology) is supposed to follow > > > > such systematic method, totally depending on words and > > > > pointers given by ancient rishis, and logical > > > > systematic thinking, in EACH of our predictions. > > > > Violation of this is a violation of the system taught > > > > to us by them. > > > > > > > > > Sree, > > > > > > I normally dislike mere 'thank you' posts but I'll make an > > exception > > > this once. One heck of an expound! > > > > > > +++ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dear Pandit ji, Mihira sloka?! Oh! I forgot - we came very long way trough this thread and the title is still related to Mihira sloka for determining strengths of signs. I hope you are pointing to the sloka for determining the strength of signs. right? The sloka bit - "Horaswami Guru nja veekshita yuta nanyascha veeryotkata". Yes, it is of Varaha Hora (Brihat Jataka). Varaha hora is another usual name used for Brihat Jataka, since the Hora text (a text that falls into the Hora category, of the 3 categories Sidhanta-Samhita-Hora) 'Brihat Jataka' is written by Varaha Mihira. It is a convention to associate the author name with the word Hora rather than mentioning the actual name of the text. For example, look at the names - Skanda Hora (Actual name 'Jyotishmati') Varaha Hora (Actual name 'Brihat Jataka') etc. may be the same applies to many other texts as well. (Need to check). ==> > The Mihira shloka you cite are from Brihat Jataka > OR Varah Hora ? <== But pundit ji, that statement generates a doubt. Is there two texts one with the name 'Varaha Hora' and other with the name 'Brihat Jataka'?! In South India they are considered one and the same! If there is any system of considering them as two separate texts, or if two such separate hora texts ascribed to Mihira please let me know. ==> > Looking at the theme ( multiplying by 2 or 3 based on own or exaltation)> Would you say if someone has seventh lord exalted will marry three times ? <== Yes, of course, if it was ancient times. An exalted graha or graha in own house in 7th indicates too much pleasure from ladies, and not a frustrated married life. Such things are suited for kings or persons who live a luxurious life (with many wives or girlfriends) and at the same time a successful married life. That is why it becomes a Maha Purusha Yoga. But it wrong to predict troubles related to married life, or divorce or the like, if malefics are not aspecting 7th. By the way an graha in own house though primarily indicate two and three respectively, they can indicate the number `many' as well. Don't ask how to differentiate the situation, I too don't know that. Only `DwiTriSamvada Bhaval' is the tool in my hand in such situations. Love, Sreenadh , Panditji <navagraha wrote:>> Namaste Sreenadh,> > Very interesting analysis. 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Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Thanks Sreenadh, Thats why jyotish is so facinating. Lets look at the 1st house and follow the 2 times 3 times pleasure from house if graha is exalted/own house etc. Tula lagna Shukra in 6th. Now shukra as lagna lord is exalted but also lagna lord in 6th is not good from health standpoint. Also in this case it is 8th lord in 6th. This will test quite a few jyotish paradigms. I also wanted you touch upon the paradigm that is in vougue that " Guru hampers the significations of house he is in and Shani extends the results of house he is in " . Do you know of any classic that supports such a view. Lets say that there is classical support. Even then how to read the real meaning in this statement ? Lets say Shani is in 7th. The way shani will give " vriddhi " ( growth) to the house is by giving a native motivation toward the signification of the house ( Many relationships) but never happy with them. Lets say Guru is there, then the way Guru will stunty the growtgh of the house is by not giving a good relationship with one and as the person is happy with it he won't go around seeking many. .... P.S. May be we should start a new thread for discussion on different topics On 6/13/06, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Pandit ji, Mihira sloka?! Oh! I forgot - we came very long way trough this thread and the title is still related to Mihira sloka for determining strengths of signs. I hope you are pointing to the sloka for determining the strength of signs. right? The sloka bit - " Horaswami Guru nja veekshita yuta nanyascha veeryotkata " . Yes, it is of Varaha Hora (Brihat Jataka). Varaha hora is another usual name used for Brihat Jataka, since the Hora text (a text that falls into the Hora category, of the 3 categories Sidhanta-Samhita-Hora) 'Brihat Jataka' is written by Varaha Mihira. It is a convention to associate the author name with the word Hora rather than mentioning the actual name of the text. For example, look at the names - Skanda Hora (Actual name 'Jyotishmati') Varaha Hora (Actual name 'Brihat Jataka') etc. may be the same applies to many other texts as well. (Need to check). ==> > The Mihira shloka you cite are from Brihat Jataka > OR Varah Hora ? <== But pundit ji, that statement generates a doubt. Is there two texts one with the name 'Varaha Hora' and other with the name 'Brihat Jataka'?! In South India they are considered one and the same! If there is any system of considering them as two separate texts, or if two such separate hora texts ascribed to Mihira please let me know. ==> > Looking at the theme ( multiplying by 2 or 3 based on own or exaltation)> Would you say if someone has seventh lord exalted will marry three times ? <== Yes, of course, if it was ancient times. An exalted graha or graha in own house in 7th indicates too much pleasure from ladies, and not a frustrated married life. Such things are suited for kings or persons who live a luxurious life (with many wives or girlfriends) and at the same time a successful married life. That is why it becomes a Maha Purusha Yoga. But it wrong to predict troubles related to married life, or divorce or the like, if malefics are not aspecting 7th. By the way an graha in own house though primarily indicate two and three respectively, they can indicate the number `many' as well. Don't ask how to differentiate the situation, I too don't know that. Only `DwiTriSamvada Bhaval' is the tool in my hand in such situations. Love, Sreenadh , Panditji <navagraha wrote: >> Namaste Sreenadh,> > Very interesting analysis. 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Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Dear Pandit ji, ==> I also wanted you touch upon the paradigm that is in vougue that "Guru hampers the significations of house he is in and Shani extends the results of house he is in". Do you know of any classic that supports such a view. Lets say that there is classical support. Even then how to read the real meaning in this statement ? <== Dear RK ji, ==> What kind of a Mahapurusha yoga will a planet in exaltation or in own sign in 7th will generate even if it is Hamsa Yoga or Bhadra Yoga for that matter? Malavya Yoga is understandable. And then Sasa Yoga in 7th? <== I will write back in detail. Love, SreenadhPanditji <navagraha wrote: Thanks Sreenadh, Thats why jyotish is so facinating. Lets look at the 1st house and follow the 2 times 3 times pleasure from house if graha is exalted/own house etc. Tula lagna Shukra in 6th. Now shukra as lagna lord is exalted but also lagna lord in 6th is not good from health standpoint. Also in this case it is 8th lord in 6th. This will test quite a few jyotish paradigms. I also wanted you touch upon the paradigm that is in vougue that "Guru hampers the significations of house he is in and Shani extends the results of house he is in". Do you know of any classic that supports such a view. Lets say that there is classical support. Even then how to read the real meaning in this statement ? Lets say Shani is in 7th. The way shani will give "vriddhi"( growth) to the house is by giving a native motivation toward the signification of the house ( Many relationships) but never happy with them. Lets say Guru is there, then the way Guru will stunty the growtgh of the house is by not giving a good relationship with one and as the person is happy with it he won't go around seeking many. ... P.S. May be we should start a new thread for discussion on different topics arkaydash <arkaydash wrote: Dear Shreenadh, That's some secret sharing on your munificent part. I was curious which Varaha Hora you are happily citing every now and then. I asked you to share them. You kept the ubiquitous Vrihat Jatak close to your chest. Okay. Now your Jyotishmati! I will go and raid your Kota residence.* * *Lucid understanding, this: "... Yes, of course, if it was ancient times. An exalted graha or graha> in own house in 7th indicates too much pleasure from ladies, and not a> frustrated married life. Such things are suited for kings or persons> who live a luxurious life (with many wives or girlfriends) and at the> same time a successful married life. That is why it becomes a Maha> Purusha Yoga. But it wrong to predict troubles related to married> life, or divorce or the like, if malefics are not aspecting 7th. By the> way an graha in own house though primarily indicate two and three> respectively, they can indicate the number `many' as well..."Would like to modify the word 'many' to 'plenty', The idea being sufficiency. Wotsay, Panditji?Now another aspect. What kind of a Mahapurusha yoga will a planet in exaltation or in own sign in 7th will generate even if it is Hamsa Yoga or Bhadra Yoga for that matter? Malavya Yoga is understandable. And then Sasa Yoga in 7th?RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Namaste, I meant Guru in 7th will give one good relationship but not a motivation to seek out more hence will stunt the growth of that house. .... On 6/13/06, Panditji <navagraha wrote: Thanks Sreenadh, Thats why jyotish is so facinating. Lets look at the 1st house and follow the 2 times 3 times pleasure from house if graha is exalted/own house etc. Tula lagna Shukra in 6th. Now shukra as lagna lord is exalted but also lagna lord in 6th is not good from health standpoint. Also in this case it is 8th lord in 6th. This will test quite a few jyotish paradigms. I also wanted you touch upon the paradigm that is in vougue that " Guru hampers the significations of house he is in and Shani extends the results of house he is in " . Do you know of any classic that supports such a view. Lets say that there is classical support. Even then how to read the real meaning in this statement ? Lets say Shani is in 7th. The way shani will give " vriddhi " ( growth) to the house is by giving a native motivation toward the signification of the house ( Many relationships) but never happy with them. Lets say Guru is there, then the way Guru will stunty the growtgh of the house is by not giving a good relationship with one and as the person is happy with it he won't go around seeking many. .... P.S. May be we should start a new thread for discussion on different topics On 6/13/06, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Pandit ji, Mihira sloka?! Oh! I forgot - we came very long way trough this thread and the title is still related to Mihira sloka for determining strengths of signs. I hope you are pointing to the sloka for determining the strength of signs. right? The sloka bit - " Horaswami Guru nja veekshita yuta nanyascha veeryotkata " . Yes, it is of Varaha Hora (Brihat Jataka). Varaha hora is another usual name used for Brihat Jataka, since the Hora text (a text that falls into the Hora category, of the 3 categories Sidhanta-Samhita-Hora) 'Brihat Jataka' is written by Varaha Mihira. It is a convention to associate the author name with the word Hora rather than mentioning the actual name of the text. For example, look at the names - Skanda Hora (Actual name 'Jyotishmati') Varaha Hora (Actual name 'Brihat Jataka') etc. may be the same applies to many other texts as well. (Need to check). ==> > The Mihira shloka you cite are from Brihat Jataka > OR Varah Hora ? <== But pundit ji, that statement generates a doubt. Is there two texts one with the name 'Varaha Hora' and other with the name 'Brihat Jataka'?! In South India they are considered one and the same! If there is any system of considering them as two separate texts, or if two such separate hora texts ascribed to Mihira please let me know. ==> > Looking at the theme ( multiplying by 2 or 3 based on own or exaltation)> Would you say if someone has seventh lord exalted will marry three times ? <== Yes, of course, if it was ancient times. An exalted graha or graha in own house in 7th indicates too much pleasure from ladies, and not a frustrated married life. Such things are suited for kings or persons who live a luxurious life (with many wives or girlfriends) and at the same time a successful married life. That is why it becomes a Maha Purusha Yoga. But it wrong to predict troubles related to married life, or divorce or the like, if malefics are not aspecting 7th. By the way an graha in own house though primarily indicate two and three respectively, they can indicate the number `many' as well. Don't ask how to differentiate the situation, I too don't know that. Only `DwiTriSamvada Bhaval' is the tool in my hand in such situations. Love, Sreenadh , Panditji <navagraha wrote: >> Namaste Sreenadh,> > Very interesting analysis. 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