Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Dear Shreenadh, Let me begin by saying you and I are coasting along the same river. Which is Time. I mean we are crossing the same river, you and I. Can one cross the same river twice! (That is an olden question.) Mathematical reductionism is another ball game though. Sometimes lucid comprehension comes from mode of mind's working other than mathematical. But then, since we have already dipped our feet in water, let's fard ahead. How about this: Time = Differential ... phase (or state) differential in dynamic stuff Destiny = Momentum .... needless to say of what Atma or Siva (paramaatma)= non-stuff Taking a cue from Patanjali: soul is host, house is body, house is world/universe. Your continuum of categories seem to mix up host and house. Can we keep the two where they belong? Are we not making the mistake that come from category confusion. Keep the host and house distinct. Time is a weasel concept over which cosmologists are still wracking their brains. Freewill, soul, oversoul are a principle and belong together as categories. And energy, matter and space are another. Just as space, energy and time are a devolving continuum, in that order; oversoul, soul, freewill are a devolving continuum. Freewill is not be looked for in some energy packets or orbits. I had some real Time for u. RK , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear RK ji, > Some interesting thoughts came to my mind. [As you said, Dhanapal ji wrote well and that is why those thoughts were hovering in my mind] > > Let us have a look at some of the definitions - > > Matter => Condensed Energy > Another possible definition is that `Matter is condensed space'. But usually we fail to notice that Time is encapsulated in it as well. > > Energy => Condensed space > There is a large amount of Time encapsulated in it when we lead our thought from low forms of energy (like mechanical?) to high forms of energy like that of light (electro magnetic radiations). So it is better to say that Energy is `Condensed Space- Time continuum. > > Space => It is the `Dynamic STUFF'. > The word Dynamic itself indicates that Time is encapsulated in it as well. It is the vibrating (pulsating) state of the STUFF. It is `condensed and expanding STUFF'. It is the STUFF which `experience' (? of who) ripples. Another possible definition is `It is condensed Time'. > > Time => It is the Dynamic nature of the STUFF. > It is something the `condensed STUFF' (read every thing like living and non-living organisms, matter and energy) `feel' while in that condensed state. That itself indicates that `Time' actually does not exist! It should be something the `condensed STUFF' `feel', and does not exist in reality. It might be just a state of `Space' (read `condensed STUFF'). Another possible definition is `It is condensed Space'. > > Space-Time continuum => It is the Dynamic STUFF. > It is the expanding and condensing (?) STUFF. It is space alone, may be Time is secondary, which does not exist at all! > > Atma => It is beyond Time and Space. In meditative state `Time' and `Space' (as per Indian spiritual terminology both of them are part of matter only) does not exist! It is beyond `Space' and `Time'. Atma is equated to `Siva'. Does it represent the true nature of `The STUFF' itself ? Shall we define `It is the STUFF' and add `as experienced by living organisms' ? > > Consciousness => Is it Space-Time continuum itself or something above or bellow it? Is it the STUFF itself or is it Space-Time continuum or Something below it? May be it the sometimes pulsating sometimes static state of the STUFF itself or may be not. > > Mind => A lower state of consciousness. Composed of Memory, Ego, and Intellect. All mere wrong classifications (or illusions) of the same entity, that is consciousness. > > Destiny => A mere name given to the most probable possibilities `experienced' by fragmented consciousness, which we call mind, or may be by the fragmented Space-Time continuum that we call `Universe'. > > Free Will => A mere name given to the `choice' of million possibilities that exists in this moment, `experienced' by fragmented consciousness, which we call mind, or may be by the fragmented Space-Time continuum that we call `Universe'. > > STUFF => It is from which everything emerge. Or does anything emerge from it at all?! If Time is an illusion, then the STUFF always remains in its original state, and nothing ever emerges or changes. The change is an illusion of `states of stuff'. Yap, imagining the `state of stuff' itself is an illusion. There should be only a single state, which is – always… May even brining the word, `always' itself is wrong – because that word indicates `Time'. For the STUFF both neither Space-Time Continuum nor TIME and SPACE exist but only the STUFF. Everything else an illusion, but not of STUFF. The STUFF is Siva! But how it is related to Atma?!!!! This will always escape our understanding, because we are within the system, and part of the `disturbed' (?) dynamic stuff, fallen into the condensed state and time frames, and when that barriers of `Space' and `Time' are broken we no longer need or worry about this knowledge. Knowldege itself becomes unimportant. > > Yap, it is a mere logical exercise (as all words are), but interesting. > > P.S.: Do you find many definitions as the same? I think it is inevitable, being true to myself. > > Love, > Sreenadh > > arkaydash <arkaydash wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh, > He left out time, not merely because he ran out of it but also > because he knew you could tie him down in your punctuated continuum > eternally. > > [He wrote well.] Actually, so that you may read the missing stuff > into our expanding(?) universe of freewill. [sure, time is not > stuff? Cue: mind is stuff.] Someday we'll thrash this topic inside > out. > > [someone who comprehends Time will have no use for kaalatantra (a > superset of astrology), I suppose.] > > RK > > , sree nadh > wrote: > > > > Dear Dhanpal ji, > > That was interesting. > > > > What about the dynamic SPACE-TIME Continuum just being SAKTI > alone? :)SIVA being still beyond, being the fundamental STUFF which > with the universe is made up off ? Something even beyond that > dynamic nature. Even that dynamic nature just being the illusion of > the parts of stuff trapped into timeframes? Ripples (dynamic nature) > in the STUFF producing the universe for the one who is trapped with > in those ripples of dynamism which we call SPACE-TIME continuum? > > The sequence being - > > STUFF (Siva) =>SPACE-TIME CONTINUM (Sakti) =>ENERGY-MATTER- > TIME => Universe > > > > By the way, now as per science we know that Space-Time > Continuum is dynamic. From space (vacuum!) one electron and positron > can emerge, or an electron and positron can collide vanishing > (becoming space!) and releasing some gamma rays in the process! > There is no vacuum in the universe we know by now! The vacuum we > know now is the dynamic space time continuum from which everything > can emerge! It is probably SAKTI alone! > > May be Matter, Energy, Time all are small incarnations. ) > The SIVA still lies beyond, even beyond the current understanding of > science itself! May be the " Cosmic Dance " of cosmic particles is the > dance of a small incarnation of Siva only. The Time being > another. If we want to classify (remember all classifications > are wrong!) then, Space and Matter is Sakti alone! (Yap, they too > are dynamic!) Thus, > > Small Incarnations of Siva = Time, Energy > > Small Incarnations of Sakti = Sapce, Matter > > > > The STUFF Siva alone; Space-Time Continum = Siva Saktya Ukto. > > > > What about that? > > > > P.S.: It is all just exercising of our logic and so not that > important. Because if the STUFF or at east some of its close > incarnations like Space Time continuum can be experienced by us, > then it is certainly beyond the classifications Ego, Intellect, or > Memory. What is to say about Logic, which is just a tool (only a > part) of the intellect? . " Etho Vach nivritante aprapya manasa > saha " Where the words become useless along with the mind. As per > Indian Sysstem Mind is classified in to three - Chitta (Memmory) , > Budhi (Intellect), Ahankara (Ego). All these are part of static > Matter only (even though internally dynamic) and is bound. The > true freedom (dynamic or static?) which we want to experience is > surely beyond this. That is why in meditation one should free > himself from Memory, Intellect and Ego. Probably we can only imagine > about some of the small incarnations of Siva only and he is still > beyond, but at the same time everywhere and in everything!!! > > Who is free will? Siva or Sakti? What is the point in any such > classifications, when they are always together. > > P.S: By the way why you left out time in your message? > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > Dhanapal T wrote: > > > > The art of expanding free-will: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > During my path of learning astrology, I found that free-will > also (apart from fate) plays the major role in everyone's life. This > is what everyone's hope to improve their life-pattern. So I started > searching for methods to expand the free-will. Hope people will find > this article interesting. Thought of off-loading some work from > Sreenadh ji J. How long we will keep him busy always? J. Dear > learned members, please forgive me if you see any errors in this. It > is purely based on what I understood the concepts. > > > > First, I would like to explain what I understood about how > astrology plays/affects everyone's life. We know everything is > created from pancha-budhas (five elements). We are able to realize > easily these elements in our body: Earth (solid), liquid (water), > fire (heat), air (breath) and akash (??). What is akash in our body? > Usually we contend ourselves by thinking that it is nothing but > space. But it is NOT. > > > > If you see these elements, you can easily see that the density > is getting reduced from solid state to air state and further. Akash > is nothing but the smallest element which is smaller than electrons, > protons whose existence can't be detected through microscope. If you > try to split it further it will become SPACE. Now reverse the order: > SPACE -> akash -> different propositions of akash formed different > elements. So the entire universe is filled with akash! You can say > Space is static (Siva!) and akash is dynamic (Sakthi!). Now we > understand the story of Sakthi was born from Siva! There are two > universe co-exist: Functional universe in which we are in and static > universe (which is fully covering up and inter-wovening this > functional universe). Science calls the static universe outside the > functional one as: black holes. Now we come back to the point: what > is akash in our body?? It is nothing but our SOUL! So soul is > nothing but group of akash particles rotating throughout > > our body. So soul is not in a single gene or single cell. It is > spread everywhere on our body! We have constant lose of akash > particles due to the earth pull due to rotation. That's why we > attain older and die. Our ancient people told in the voice of > Prakalath: God is there everywhere even in this iron rod and even > within me. Basically everything is made up of akash! So iron or > mountain or plant or bird or human, everybody has come from the same > source i.e. space. I can give the proof from Tamil ancient sages > like the great Thiruvalluvar, Thirumoolar, Siva vakkiar, > Thayumanavar and vallalar for what it is said here: " Space is the > source for all " . Just imagine this universe. What is filled in > everything and present in everywhere? SPACE. It has self- > compressured pressure due to which it evolved in to everything we > see now. Now I stop here since the topic is different. > > > > The akash particles are not just lying there in the universe. > They rotate. We know from physics that any rotating body will > produce waves! They produce magnetism called " Universal magnetism " . > The whole universe is functioning with rhythm due to this universal > magnetic field only! Even in our body, our soul is rotating to > create " Bio-magnetism " and hence " Bio-current " . Have you ever > wondered where the mind is: When the waves (or Bio-magnetism > converted in brain) coming due to the rotation of soul emits through > brain, we are able to realize what the record it contains is. If the > small bio-magnetism in our body is able to do miracles then think > about the almighty universal magnetism! How powerful it could be! If > the Bio-magnetism is converted through other senses, we realize > those senses. So, everything we feel is nothing but conversion of > bio-magnetism! If the Bio-magnetism is surplus then conversion gives > the enjoyment otherwise suffer. > > > > Ok, now we know what exactly the mind is. Then what is the link > between our mind and astrology? How the far away planets play vital > role in earth? How to negotiate them? We will see in the next > article. > > > > Dear friends, these are the learnings I had from various sources > and they absolutely convinced me through scientifically and > spiritually. If you find it useful and not offensive to anyone's > feeling, I will continue. May be another 2 article. > > > > Thank you all, > > Dhanapal > > > > > > > > gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus > there's much more to come. > > > > > > > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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