Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Dear Sunil ji, ==> > The basics of Sadhana that i have been taught is not to reveal what sadhana one is doing to others or like general public (forums) <== I think that is the reason for you - * Not revealing any astrological knowledge in forums. * Not revealing/sharing/publishing/producing any documents on the same. If this is the case then, * What you are searching in these forums? * How you are expecting others to reveal their knowledge in ‘public’ forums and benefit from the same, while you are not willing to do so! This contradiction attracts my attention. Frankly speaking I am yet to find any valuable document shared by you, or any produced by you on " pure astrology " . I have seen you only as participating in discussions and making general statements. May be there is something or may not with you. I don't know. But in that case sharpen the sadhana (I hope it is on astrology), and come up with some results that will become useful to the society. Hope this will happen in near future. Note: Please don’t mis-understand any of the above statements for ego. Love, Srenadh , Sunil John <jjnet2000_in wrote: > > The basics of Sadhana that i have been taught is not to reveal what sadhana one is doing to others or like general public (forums), if one does then the sadhana does not fructify. I presume this has been written in books too. > > What use is learning astrology if predictions are done through aid of non astro methods. The intention then shifts from learning and utilising the pure science/shastra to just making predictions which usually is a self gratifying exercise and most astrologers fall into this trap, even big wigs in astrology have so much of ego. The worst part is a true astrologer will understand after learning the science that ego has no role to play in ones life rather goes on a destructive phase but instead astrologers have ego that means they have not UNDERSTOOD the science. > > Even when one reads the Nadis where the 7 rishis are discussing a chart and Goddess Parvati is the Host, one observes very clearly that when they debate they do so with astrological rules & none of the rishis says my intuition is telling this thats the reason i predicted so and so for the native. I always think did not the rishis have enough sadhana to make correct predictions without even seeing the chart or say going into detail, but no the Rishis debated on basis of astrological grounds and not on some power or intuition. Maybe they understood the meaning of astrology better than us & carried the tradition of true jyotishi. > > I do not know how far this is true as i have heard it from a friend who knew - the late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked which mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths. > > > > > > Regards, > Sunil John > > > > kaushikack <kaushikack > > Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:17:55 PM > Sunil john Re: Panchanguli Devi > > > > > > > > It is not only the mantra, that has effect. > > The mantra you are reciting should be done with proper bhav, hetu in mind. > > If your intentions are pure, for the good results are different. > > If one has malafide intentions, one can never bear the right fruit. > > Mantra Jap is never done to satisfy ego, to seek power or increase your effect in this world. > > Sattvik Jap & Sattvik Bhav is necessary. > > One message from > > vedic astrology, jyotish mrutyunjay > <astrologer_mrutyunj ay@> wrote: > > > CAN MANTRA RECITATION GIVE NEGATIVE RESULTS > > The answer is Yes, it can. > > Whenever the planet whose mantra one recites is > in the sign and constellation of another planets- who are > either eclipsed by the nodes or combust or debilited > or placed in 12,8,6 from the Karya Bhava , Moon and/ or Lagna > RECITATION OF THE MANTRA- QUICKENS THE PROCESS OF WIPING OUT OF HIS/HER PAST SINS BY SUFFERING IN THOSE MATTERS SIGNIFIED BY THE SIGN, NAVAMSA AND STAR > DISPOSITORS- GETS QUICKENED. > > But how many of our clients are honest and spiritual enough to opt for reaping the suffering for their past sins at the EARLIEST AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY. > > Professionally experienced and good astrologers are very rare to > reveal this secret of remedial measure. > > With regards to all, > Mrutyunjay > 9868573182 > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > Narayan Dutt Shrimali's book I had read in 1993/94, that was in english where he had given the Vidhi of > > Panchanguli Devi Mantra, he had mentioned I think whether it is a pure or kshudra mantra, cant remember the exact quote. Also in that book he had mentioned that Cheiro had mastered this mantra wherein the spirit comes and whispers in the ear everything about the past. He had said that Cheiro was one of the most wealthiest people in Europe but he died a PAUPER. Narayan Shrimali further hints the effects of this mantra. > > But giving credit to all of Cheiro's predictions to this mantra would not be correct as he was a master in Bhrigu Astrology & one of the only non-Brahmins to get hold of the Bhrigu Text. > > > > There are many in astrology who go for mantras to enhance predictive powers, but it is difficult to understand astrology and predict with the logical rules, its not the easy way. B.V.Raman also writes in his memoirs that once he also got tempted to the dark side but his Gajakeshari yog saved him. > > > > Though time does not permit to take this discussion forward but maybe Sreenadh if he wishes can add what happens if Rahu Ketu has a relationship with A5/A8 or 5L or 5H in D1 & D20 > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > kaushikack kaushikack@ .. > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:22:31 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Panchanguli Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is considered to be a sattvik mantra. It is available in the book of > > > > Hastrekha Vigyan by Narayan Dutt Shrimali. Cost Rs. 70/- > > > > > > > > Secondly, I have witnessed its effect in the person. He used to worship > > > > this deity for over 18 years. > > > > > > > > Mantra Jap should be carried out in a very pure & regular way. Leave it > > > > to the lord what , when, where he gives. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avaneesh, > > > > > Is this a Shudhra Mantra or of pure type. (am aware that at the end of > > > > the day nothing is a Shudra Mantra on non-superficial terms). > > > > > > > > > > Are there any negative consequences of this mantra > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Cheiro also did this mantra but we all know his end, > > > > atleast what stories say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaushikack kaushikack@ .. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 11:44:03 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Panchanguli Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gurujans, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to discuss Panchanguli Mantra & its relation to astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.O.B is 7th March, 1975, Time : 11:30 AM > > > > > Place : CHANDIGARH , India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am worshipping this MANTRA for since April 2002. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Long back, I met an astrologer . I had many divine experiences through > > > > his knowledge of astrology. > > > > > He told me about this mantra. He said through continous repettion of > > > > this mantra, a power comes through which one can start PALM READING > > > > without any effort. > > > > > > > > > > Is this true. Please express your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no reason to doubt the ability and integrity of that > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He further predicted that by DEVI KRIPA, a day would come when I will > > > > be practicing astrology ( or palmistry ) myself. > > > > > > > > > > Do these things have some truth in it. Because, my present life is a > > > > big shame, a big zero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though highly educated, I am professionaly zero. Nobody, likes me and > > > > my family members do not consider me anything. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > Avaneesh.C.Kaushik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, > > > > sans-serif;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, > > > > sans-serif;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > > > > #ygrp-text{ > > > > > font-family: Georgia; > > > > > } > > > > > #ygrp-text p{ > > > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > > > > font-family: Arial; > > > > > clear:both;} > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > > > > padding:0 1px;} > > > > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > > > > clear:both;margin: 25px > > > > 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > > > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > > > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > > > > > #ygrp-grft{ > > > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-ft{ > > > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > > > > > padding:5px 0; > > > > > } > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > > > > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > > > > > > > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text-trans\ > > > > form:uppercase; } > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > > > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > > > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > > > > > } > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > > > > > > > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; pa\ > > > > dding-right: .5em;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > > > > font-weight: bold;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital a { > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > > > > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > > > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > > > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > > > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > > > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > > > > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > > > > padding:8px 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > > > > > > > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size: 100%;line- hei\ > > > > ght:122%;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > > > > margin:0;} > > > > > o {font-size:0; } > > > > > .MsoNormal { > > > > > margin:0 0 0 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > > > > font-size:120% ;} > > > > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > > > > > .replbq {margin:4;} > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _\ > > > > ____________ Building a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Om Datta GuruDear Sreenadh,My 2nd request do not add ji to my name, have often repeated on lists for years, ji's are not for me.Anyways I find your reply quite funny & am laughing here, maybe u have not followed the thread so far.What i was telling was that one should not mention to anyone what sadhana ONE IS DOING AT THE MOMENT, this is a common practice it loses the intensity to fructify. That is the also one of the reason many Gurus reveal some mantras in ear only to the student so that the spirits do not hear easily. I think am not sure but in the thread ceremony, the gayatri mantra is also revealed in the ear, i could be wrong here since i have not visited any thread ceremonies.As for me revealing or contributing any astrological knowledge in the forums i have done my bit in forums for years to whatever is the capability. Sharing documents i have done with friends and one of them is ur friend Sreeram, he probably has one or two . also i do not learn this science for showing off my knowledge.As a forum moderator I have seen many big ones in the past but not one has written such a hasty judgemental n conclusive mail in the past to me or others, I guess they have maturity of years. But that is ok we all are made of different material not each is the same. I still write this with kindness.BPHS Chapter 97 Shloka 1-4 saysDo not impart the knowledge of this Shastra to one, who is insignificative, slanders, or calumniates others, nor to one, who is not intelligent, is wicked and unknown to you. Teach this supreme Vedanga Jyotish Shastra only to one, who is gentle and amiable, devoted, truthful, brilliant and well known to you.The words that struck me last year were - slanders, calumniates others, is wicked, GENTLE & well known to uI do not know if the sanskrit translation is correct but the meaning of what Parashara is saying seems very important, he could have written much more in his voluminous work but what he writes here has also been repeated by others & therein lies the secret of jyotishi I guess.=====>Frankly speaking I am yet to find any valuable document shared by you, or any produced by you on "pure astrology". I have seen you only as participating in discussions and making general statements. May be there is something or may not with you. +++====Sunil: My reply to this is before i create any valuable document or book or start teaching others i want to know the shastra, Correctly understand it & that would happen when i have ability to see say 20 charts and predict their month of marriage (example) & put my life, money , property everything on The Prediction on all those 20 charts, if i cant do that i do not have Faith in what i have learned, i do not know the science and have no RIGHT to write a book or teach anyone, it would be like teaching people what I have no 100% knowledge of. I wonder if i would ever be able to do that.Can you do it, if u can then we can do it right here.Today everyone is teaching everyone astrology but nobody can predict, we teach as if we are Experts of this science and the worst part is there is Ahamkar (Ego) about it. Those who write they do not have Ahamkar are at times the worst culprits.When a businessman does business he puts his money & sometimes all assests on his project, astrologers or teachers of this shastra cannot. Writing all kinds of mails, telling people what to do , acting like a Big Guru and quoting shlokas or teaching Any Kid can, but putting 100% faith & betting his life in that knowledge only ONE astrologer Could. Regards,Sunil John Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:53:46 PM Sunil john Re: Panchanguli Devi Dear Sunil ji, ==> > The basics of Sadhana that i have been taught is not to reveal what sadhana one is doing to others or like general public (forums) <== I think that is the reason for you - * Not revealing any astrological knowledge in forums. * Not revealing/sharing/ publishing/ producing any documents on the same. If this is the case then, * What you are searching in these forums? * How you are expecting others to reveal their knowledge in ¡public¢ forums and benefit from the same, while you are not willing to do so! This contradiction attracts my attention. Frankly speaking I am yet to find any valuable document shared by you, or any produced by you on "pure astrology". I have seen you only as participating in discussions and making general statements. May be there is something or may not with you. I don't know. But in that case sharpen the sadhana (I hope it is on astrology), and come up with some results that will become useful to the society. Hope this will happen in near future. Note: Please don¢t mis-understand any of the above statements for ego. Love, Srenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > The basics of Sadhana that i have been taught is not to reveal what sadhana one is doing to others or like general public (forums), if one does then the sadhana does not fructify. I presume this has been written in books too. > > What use is learning astrology if predictions are done through aid of non astro methods. The intention then shifts from learning and utilising the pure science/shastra to just making predictions which usually is a self gratifying exercise and most astrologers fall into this trap, even big wigs in astrology have so much of ego. The worst part is a true astrologer will understand after learning the science that ego has no role to play in ones life rather goes on a destructive phase but instead astrologers have ego that means they have not UNDERSTOOD the science. > > Even when one reads the Nadis where the 7 rishis are discussing a chart and Goddess Parvati is the Host, one observes very clearly that when they debate they do so with astrological rules & none of the rishis says my intuition is telling this thats the reason i predicted so and so for the native. I always think did not the rishis have enough sadhana to make correct predictions without even seeing the chart or say going into detail, but no the Rishis debated on basis of astrological grounds and not on some power or intuition. Maybe they understood the meaning of astrology better than us & carried the tradition of true jyotishi. > > I do not know how far this is true as i have heard it from a friend who knew - the late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked which mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths. > > > > > > Regards, > Sunil John > > > > kaushikack <kaushikack@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:17:55 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sunil john Re: Panchanguli Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only the mantra, that has effect. > > The mantra you are reciting should be done with proper bhav, hetu in mind. > > If your intentions are pure, for the good results are different. > > If one has malafide intentions, one can never bear the right fruit. > > Mantra Jap is never done to satisfy ego, to seek power or increase your effect in this world. > > Sattvik Jap & Sattvik Bhav is necessary. > > One message from > > vedic astrology, jyotish mrutyunjay > <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay@> wrote: > > > CAN MANTRA RECITATION GIVE NEGATIVE RESULTS > > The answer is Yes, it can. > > Whenever the planet whose mantra one recites is > in the sign and constellation of another planets- who are > either eclipsed by the nodes or combust or debilited > or placed in 12,8,6 from the Karya Bhava , Moon and/ or Lagna > RECITATION OF THE MANTRA- QUICKENS THE PROCESS OF WIPING OUT OF HIS/HER PAST SINS BY SUFFERING IN THOSE MATTERS SIGNIFIED BY THE SIGN, NAVAMSA AND STAR > DISPOSITORS- GETS QUICKENED. > > But how many of our clients are honest and spiritual enough to opt for reaping the suffering for their past sins at the EARLIEST AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY. > > Professionally experienced and good astrologers are very rare to > reveal this secret of remedial measure. > > With regards to all, > Mrutyunjay > 9868573182 > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > Narayan Dutt Shrimali's book I had read in 1993/94, that was in english where he had given the Vidhi of > > Panchanguli Devi Mantra, he had mentioned I think whether it is a pure or kshudra mantra, cant remember the exact quote. Also in that book he had mentioned that Cheiro had mastered this mantra wherein the spirit comes and whispers in the ear everything about the past. He had said that Cheiro was one of the most wealthiest people in Europe but he died a PAUPER. Narayan Shrimali further hints the effects of this mantra. > > But giving credit to all of Cheiro's predictions to this mantra would not be correct as he was a master in Bhrigu Astrology & one of the only non-Brahmins to get hold of the Bhrigu Text. > > > > There are many in astrology who go for mantras to enhance predictive powers, but it is difficult to understand astrology and predict with the logical rules, its not the easy way. B.V.Raman also writes in his memoirs that once he also got tempted to the dark side but his Gajakeshari yog saved him. > > > > Though time does not permit to take this discussion forward but maybe Sreenadh if he wishes can add what happens if Rahu Ketu has a relationship with A5/A8 or 5L or 5H in D1 & D20 > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > kaushikack kaushikack@ .. > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:22:31 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Panchanguli Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is considered to be a sattvik mantra. It is available in the book of > > > > Hastrekha Vigyan by Narayan Dutt Shrimali. Cost Rs. 70/- > > > > > > > > Secondly, I have witnessed its effect in the person. He used to worship > > > > this deity for over 18 years. > > > > > > > > Mantra Jap should be carried out in a very pure & regular way. Leave it > > > > to the lord what , when, where he gives. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avaneesh, > > > > > Is this a Shudhra Mantra or of pure type. (am aware that at the end of > > > > the day nothing is a Shudra Mantra on non-superficial terms). > > > > > > > > > > Are there any negative consequences of this mantra > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Cheiro also did this mantra but we all know his end, > > > > atleast what stories say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaushikack kaushikack@ .. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 11:44:03 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Panchanguli Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gurujans, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to discuss Panchanguli Mantra & its relation to astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.O.B is 7th March, 1975, Time : 11:30 AM > > > > > Place : CHANDIGARH , India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am worshipping this MANTRA for since April 2002. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Long back, I met an astrologer . I had many divine experiences through > > > > his knowledge of astrology. > > > > > He told me about this mantra. He said through continous repettion of > > > > this mantra, a power comes through which one can start PALM READING > > > > without any effort. > > > > > > > > > > Is this true. Please express your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no reason to doubt the ability and integrity of that > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He further predicted that by DEVI KRIPA, a day would come when I will > > > > be practicing astrology ( or palmistry ) myself. > > > > > > > > > > Do these things have some truth in it. Because, my present life is a > > > > big shame, a big zero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though highly educated, I am professionaly zero. Nobody, likes me and > > > > my family members do not consider me anything. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > Avaneesh.C.Kaushik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, > > > > sans-serif;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, > > > > sans-serif;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > > > > #ygrp-text{ > > > > > font-family: Georgia; > > > > > } > > > > > #ygrp-text p{ > > > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > > > > font-family: Arial; > > > > > clear:both;} > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > > > > padding:0 1px;} > > > > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > > > > clear:both;margin: 25px > > > > 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > > > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > > > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > > > > > #ygrp-grft{ > > > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-ft{ > > > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > > > > > padding:5px 0; > > > > > } > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > > > > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > > > > > > > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text-trans\ > > > > form:uppercase; } > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > > > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > > > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > > > > > } > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > > > > > > > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; pa\ > > > > dding-right: .5em;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > > > > font-weight: bold;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital a { > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > > > > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > > > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > > > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > > > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > > > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > > > > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > > > > padding:8px 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > > > > > > > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size: 100%;line- hei\ > > > > ght:122%;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > > > > margin:0;} > > > > > o {font-size:0; } > > > > > .MsoNormal { > > > > > margin:0 0 0 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > > > > font-size:120% ;} > > > > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > > > > > .replbq {margin:4;} > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _\ > > > > ____________ Building a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Namaste Sreenadh and SunilSreenadh,Sunil has shared a lot of astrology in the past, but, was busy with his new assignment. I am very happy that he has started posting again. He is very research oriented and very curious. He goes depth into the ocean, unlike me, who keeps floating on the surface. My scuba equipment is faulty! You'd appreciate him once you meet him and hear him talk about astrology principles. Do not judge him so quickly. SunilOne does not become a Guru. Guru is not a post to be appointed. Guru = " Gu " and " Ru " meaning dispeller of darkness. Guru shall never call oneself a Guru. The sadhaka or a shishya is one who seeks knowledge and has requisite intelligence to understand it, meanwhile required respect for both knowledge and the person he derives it from. So knowledge is never given nor taken. It simple flows in a welcoming mind, from a knowing mind. No person can deny you the knowledge, if you are a adhikari, and if you aren't one, then, you will not get knowledge even amongst a hundred thousand " Gurus " . Keeping the above in mind, if any Sadhana or spirtitual practice is being done, it is needless to talk about it. It isn't something secret, but, the Sadhaka might start to feel " Spiritual " and that is dangerous and a subtle form of ego. For this reason, one should not tell and keep to oneself. In the lists and in many ashrams I have seen groups of people being made, who do nothing, but, praise each other. They collectively fight all logic and reasoning with their stubbornness. It is like the Church calling everything else as heretic, witch, etc and killing them. This is how pure knowledge is spoiled. It is such practices that one should remain aware of and away from. In other words, keep flowing and maybe a stream may branch off into a river.Hope you find my words a bit helpful.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 5/30/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Sunil ji, ==> > The basics of Sadhana that i have been taught is not to reveal what sadhana one is doing to others or like general public (forums) <== I think that is the reason for you - * Not revealing any astrological knowledge in forums. * Not revealing/sharing/publishing/producing any documents on the same. If this is the case then, * What you are searching in these forums? * How you are expecting others to reveal their knowledge in 'public' forums and benefit from the same, while you are not willing to do so! This contradiction attracts my attention. Frankly speaking I am yet to find any valuable document shared by you, or any produced by you on " pure astrology " . I have seen you only as participating in discussions and making general statements. May be there is something or may not with you. I don't know. But in that case sharpen the sadhana (I hope it is on astrology), and come up with some results that will become useful to the society. Hope this will happen in near future. Note: Please don't mis-understand any of the above statements for ego. Love, Srenadh , Sunil John <jjnet2000_in wrote: > > The basics of Sadhana that i have been taught is not to reveal what sadhana one is doing to others or like general public (forums), if one does then the sadhana does not fructify. I presume this has been written in books too. > > What use is learning astrology if predictions are done through aid of non astro methods. The intention then shifts from learning and utilising the pure science/shastra to just making predictions which usually is a self gratifying exercise and most astrologers fall into this trap, even big wigs in astrology have so much of ego. The worst part is a true astrologer will understand after learning the science that ego has no role to play in ones life rather goes on a destructive phase but instead astrologers have ego that means they have not UNDERSTOOD the science. > > Even when one reads the Nadis where the 7 rishis are discussing a chart and Goddess Parvati is the Host, one observes very clearly that when they debate they do so with astrological rules & none of the rishis says my intuition is telling this thats the reason i predicted so and so for the native. I always think did not the rishis have enough sadhana to make correct predictions without even seeing the chart or say going into detail, but no the Rishis debated on basis of astrological grounds and not on some power or intuition. Maybe they understood the meaning of astrology better than us & carried the tradition of true jyotishi. > > I do not know how far this is true as i have heard it from a friend who knew - the late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked which mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths. > > > > > > Regards, > Sunil John > > > > kaushikack <kaushikack > > Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:17:55 PM > Sunil john Re: Panchanguli Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only the mantra, that has effect. > > The mantra you are reciting should be done with proper bhav, hetu in mind. > > If your intentions are pure, for the good results are different. > > If one has malafide intentions, one can never bear the right fruit. > > Mantra Jap is never done to satisfy ego, to seek power or increase your effect in this world. > > Sattvik Jap & Sattvik Bhav is necessary. > > One message from > > vedic astrology, jyotish mrutyunjay > <astrologer_mrutyunj ay@> wrote: > > > CAN MANTRA RECITATION GIVE NEGATIVE RESULTS > > The answer is Yes, it can. > > Whenever the planet whose mantra one recites is > in the sign and constellation of another planets- who are > either eclipsed by the nodes or combust or debilited > or placed in 12,8,6 from the Karya Bhava , Moon and/ or Lagna > RECITATION OF THE MANTRA- QUICKENS THE PROCESS OF WIPING OUT OF HIS/HER PAST SINS BY SUFFERING IN THOSE MATTERS SIGNIFIED BY THE SIGN, NAVAMSA AND STAR > DISPOSITORS- GETS QUICKENED. > > But how many of our clients are honest and spiritual enough to opt for reaping the suffering for their past sins at the EARLIEST AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY. > > Professionally experienced and good astrologers are very rare to > reveal this secret of remedial measure. > > With regards to all, > Mrutyunjay > 9868573182 > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > Narayan Dutt Shrimali's book I had read in 1993/94, that was in english where he had given the Vidhi of > > Panchanguli Devi Mantra, he had mentioned I think whether it is a pure or kshudra mantra, cant remember the exact quote. Also in that book he had mentioned that Cheiro had mastered this mantra wherein the spirit comes and whispers in the ear everything about the past. He had said that Cheiro was one of the most wealthiest people in Europe but he died a PAUPER. Narayan Shrimali further hints the effects of this mantra. > > But giving credit to all of Cheiro's predictions to this mantra would not be correct as he was a master in Bhrigu Astrology & one of the only non-Brahmins to get hold of the Bhrigu Text. > > > > There are many in astrology who go for mantras to enhance predictive powers, but it is difficult to understand astrology and predict with the logical rules, its not the easy way. B.V.Raman also writes in his memoirs that once he also got tempted to the dark side but his Gajakeshari yog saved him. > > > > Though time does not permit to take this discussion forward but maybe Sreenadh if he wishes can add what happens if Rahu Ketu has a relationship with A5/A8 or 5L or 5H in D1 & D20 > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > kaushikack kaushikack@ .. > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:22:31 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Panchanguli Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is considered to be a sattvik mantra. It is available in the book of > > > > Hastrekha Vigyan by Narayan Dutt Shrimali. Cost Rs. 70/- > > > > > > > > Secondly, I have witnessed its effect in the person. He used to worship > > > > this deity for over 18 years. > > > > > > > > Mantra Jap should be carried out in a very pure & regular way. Leave it > > > > to the lord what , when, where he gives. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John > > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Avaneesh, > > > > > Is this a Shudhra Mantra or of pure type. (am aware that at the end of > > > > the day nothing is a Shudra Mantra on non-superficial terms). > > > > > > > > > > Are there any negative consequences of this mantra > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Cheiro also did this mantra but we all know his end, > > > > atleast what stories say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaushikack kaushikack@ .. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 11:44:03 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Panchanguli Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gurujans, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to discuss Panchanguli Mantra & its relation to astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.O.B is 7th March, 1975, Time : 11:30 AM > > > > > Place : CHANDIGARH , India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am worshipping this MANTRA for since April 2002. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Long back, I met an astrologer . I had many divine experiences through > > > > his knowledge of astrology. > > > > > He told me about this mantra. He said through continous repettion of > > > > this mantra, a power comes through which one can start PALM READING > > > > without any effort. > > > > > > > > > > Is this true. Please express your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no reason to doubt the ability and integrity of that > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He further predicted that by DEVI KRIPA, a day would come when I will > > > > be practicing astrology ( or palmistry ) myself. > > > > > > > > > > Do these things have some truth in it. Because, my present life is a > > > > big shame, a big zero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though highly educated, I am professionaly zero. Nobody, likes me and > > > > my family members do not consider me anything. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > Avaneesh.C.Kaushik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, > > > > sans-serif;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, > > > > sans-serif;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > > > > #ygrp-text{ > > > > > font-family: Georgia; > > > > > } > > > > > #ygrp-text p{ > > > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > > > > font-family: Arial; > > > > > clear:both;} > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > > > > padding:0 1px;} > > > > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > > > > clear:both;margin: 25px > > > > 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > > > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > > > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > > > > > #ygrp-grft{ > > > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-ft{ > > > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > > > > > padding:5px 0; > > > > > } > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > > > > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > > > > > > > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text-trans\ > > > > form:uppercase; } > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > > > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > > > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > > > > > } > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > > > > > > > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; pa\ > > > > dding-right: .5em;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > > > > font-weight: bold;} > > > > > #ygrp-vital a { > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > > > > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > > > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > > > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > > > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > > > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > > > > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > > > > padding:8px 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > > > > > > > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size: 100%;line- hei\ > > > > ght:122%;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > > > > margin:0;} > > > > > o {font-size:0; } > > > > > .MsoNormal { > > > > > margin:0 0 0 0;} > > > > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > > > > font-size:120% ;} > > > > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > > > > > .replbq {margin:4;} > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _\ > > > > ____________ Building a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, I agree with you, appreciating the clarity you bring to bear on the topic. I can't disagree with Sunil John though. However, there is some muddle: His saying that one has been taught not to reveal what sadhana one is doing, etc. That surely can't be among the basics, and saying merely amounts to striking a 'heavier than thou' kind of posture. Being required to not reveal such a thing is something else. Never mind. Back to basics, our basics being astrology. Now John Saab, throw some light on, even if anecdotal, Richard Hock RK Dash Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Sunil ji,==>> The basics of Sadhana that i have been taught is not to reveal what sadhana one is doing to others or like general public (forums)<==I think that is the reason for you -* Not revealing any astrological knowledge in forums.* Not revealing/sharing/publishing/producing any documents on the same.If this is the case then,* What you are searching in these forums?* How you are expecting others to reveal their knowledge in ‘public’ forums and benefit from the same, while you are not willing to do so!This contradiction attracts my attention. Frankly speaking I am yet to find any valuable document shared by you, or any produced by you on "pure astrology". I have seen you only as participating in discussions and making general statements. May be there is something or may not with you. I don't know. But in that case sharpen the sadhana (I hope it is on astrology), and come up with some results that will become useful to the society. Hope this will happen in near future. Note: Please don’t mis-understand any of the above statements for ego.Love,Srenadh , Sunil John <jjnet2000_in wrote:>> The basics of Sadhana that i have been taught is not to reveal what sadhana one is doing to others or like general public (forums), if one does then the sadhana does not fructify. I presume this has been written in books too.> > What use is learning astrology if predictions are done through aid of non astro methods. The intention then shifts from learning and utilising the pure science/shastra to just making predictions which usually is a self gratifying exercise and most astrologers fall into this trap, even big wigs in astrology have so much of ego. The worst part is a true astrologer will understand after learning the science that ego has no role to play in ones life rather goes on a destructive phase but instead astrologers have ego that means they have not UNDERSTOOD the science.> > Even when one reads the Nadis where the 7 rishis are discussing a chart and Goddess Parvati is the Host, one observes very clearly that when they debate they do so with astrological rules & none of the rishis says my intuition is telling this thats the reason i predicted so and so for the native. I always think did not the rishis have enough sadhana to make correct predictions without even seeing the chart or say going into detail, but no the Rishis debated on basis of astrological grounds and not on some power or intuition. Maybe they understood the meaning of astrology better than us & carried the tradition of true jyotishi.> > I do not know how far this is true as i have heard it from a friend who knew - the late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked which mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.> > > > > > Regards,> Sunil John > > > > kaushikack <kaushikack> > Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:17:55 PM> Sunil john Re: Panchanguli Devi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not only the mantra, that has effect.> > The mantra you are reciting should be done with proper bhav, hetu in mind.> > If your intentions are pure, for the good results are different.> > If one has malafide intentions, one can never bear the right fruit.> > Mantra Jap is never done to satisfy ego, to seek power or increase your effect in this world.> > Sattvik Jap & Sattvik Bhav is necessary. > > One message from > > vedic astrology, jyotish mrutyunjay> <astrologer_mrutyunj ay@> wrote:> > > CAN MANTRA RECITATION GIVE NEGATIVE RESULTS> > The answer is Yes, it can.> > Whenever the planet whose mantra one recites is> in the sign and constellation of another planets- who are> either eclipsed by the nodes or combust or debilited> or placed in 12,8,6 from the Karya Bhava , Moon and/ or Lagna> RECITATION OF THE MANTRA- QUICKENS THE PROCESS OF WIPING OUT OF HIS/HER PAST SINS BY SUFFERING IN THOSE MATTERS SIGNIFIED BY THE SIGN, NAVAMSA AND STAR> DISPOSITORS- GETS QUICKENED.> > But how many of our clients are honest and spiritual enough to opt for reaping the suffering for their past sins at the EARLIEST AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY.> > Professionally experienced and good astrologers are very rare to> reveal this secret of remedial measure.> > With regards to all,> Mrutyunjay> 9868573182> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote:> >> > Narayan Dutt Shrimali's book I had read in 1993/94, that was in english where he had given the Vidhi of > > Panchanguli Devi Mantra, he had mentioned I think whether it is a pure or kshudra mantra, cant remember the exact quote. Also in that book he had mentioned that Cheiro had mastered this mantra wherein the spirit comes and whispers in the ear everything about the past. He had said that Cheiro was one of the most wealthiest people in Europe but he died a PAUPER. Narayan Shrimali further hints the effects of this mantra. > > But giving credit to all of Cheiro's predictions to this mantra would not be correct as he was a master in Bhrigu Astrology & one of the only non-Brahmins to get hold of the Bhrigu Text.> > > > There are many in astrology who go for mantras to enhance predictive powers, but it is difficult to understand astrology and predict with the logical rules, its not the easy way. B.V.Raman also writes in his memoirs that once he also got tempted to the dark side but his Gajakeshari yog saved him. > > > > Though time does not permit to take this discussion forward but maybe Sreenadh if he wishes can add what happens if Rahu Ketu has a relationship with A5/A8 or 5L or 5H in D1 & D20> > > > > > > > Regards,> > Sunil John > > > > > > > > kaushikack kaushikack@ ..> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:22:31 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Panchanguli Devi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is considered to be a sattvik mantra. It is available in the book of> > > > Hastrekha Vigyan by Narayan Dutt Shrimali. Cost Rs. 70/-> > > > > > > > Secondly, I have witnessed its effect in the person. He used to worship> > > > this deity for over 18 years.> > > > > > > > Mantra Jap should be carried out in a very pure & regular way. Leave it> > > > to the lord what , when, where he gives.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil John> > > > <jjnet2000_in@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Avaneesh,> > > > > Is this a Shudhra Mantra or of pure type. (am aware that at the end of> > > > the day nothing is a Shudra Mantra on non-superficial terms).> > > > >> > > > > Are there any negative consequences of this mantra> > > > >> > > > > It is said that Cheiro also did this mantra but we all know his end,> > > > atleast what stories say.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Sunil John> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > kaushikack kaushikack@ ..> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 11:44:03 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Panchanguli Devi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Respected Gurujans,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I wish to discuss Panchanguli Mantra & its relation to astrology.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > D.O.B is 7th March, 1975, Time : 11:30 AM> > > > > Place : CHANDIGARH , India.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I am worshipping this MANTRA for since April 2002.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Long back, I met an astrologer . I had many divine experiences through> > > > his knowledge of astrology.> > > > > He told me about this mantra. He said through continous repettion of> > > > this mantra, a power comes through which one can start PALM READING> > > > without any effort.> > > > >> > > > > Is this true. Please express your views on this.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > There is no reason to doubt the ability and integrity of that> > > > > astrologer.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > He further predicted that by DEVI KRIPA, a day would come when I will> > > > be practicing astrology ( or palmistry ) myself.> > > > >> > > > > Do these things have some truth in it. Because, my present life is a> > > > big shame, a big zero.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Though highly educated, I am professionaly zero. Nobody, likes me and> > > > my family members do not consider me anything.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks a lot> > > > > Avaneesh.C.Kaushik> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <!--> > > > >> > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean,> > > > sans-serif;}> > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;}> > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean,> > > > sans-serif;}> > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}> > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;}> > > > > #ygrp-text{> > > > > font-family: Georgia;> > > > > }> > > > > #ygrp-text p{> > > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;}> > > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{> > > > > font-family: Arial;> > > > > clear:both;}> > > > > #ygrp-vitnav{> > > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;}> > > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{> > > > > padding:0 1px;}> > > > > #ygrp-actbar{> > > > > clear:both;margin: 25px> > > > 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; }> > > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{> > > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; }> > > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;}> > > > > #ygrp-grft{> > > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;}> > > > > #ygrp-ft{> > > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666;> > > > > padding:5px 0;> > > > > }> > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{> > > > > padding-bottom: 10px;}> > > > >> > > > > #ygrp-vital{> > > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;}> > > > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{> > > > >> > > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text-trans\> > > > form:uppercase; }> > > > > #ygrp-vital ul{> > > > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;}> > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li{> > > > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee;> > > > > }> > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{> > > > >> > > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; pa\> > > > dding-right: .5em;}> > > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{> > > > > font-weight: bold;}> > > > > #ygrp-vital a {> > > > > text-decoration: none;}> > > > >> > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{> > > > > text-decoration: underline; }> > > > >> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{> > > > > color:#999;font- size:77%; }> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{> > > > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;}> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{> > > > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; }> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{> > > > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;}> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{> > > > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;}> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc {> > > > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;}> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{> > > > > padding:8px 0;}> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{> > > > >> > > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size: 100%;line- hei\> > > > ght:122%;}> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{> > > > > text-decoration: none;}> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{> > > > > text-decoration: underline; }> > > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{> > > > > margin:0;}> > > > > o {font-size:0; }> > > > > .MsoNormal {> > > > > margin:0 0 0 0;}> > > > > #ygrp-text tt{> > > > > font-size:120% ;}> > > > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;}> > > > > .replbq {margin:4;}> > > > > -->> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _\> > > > ____________ Building a website is a piece of cake. 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