Sunil John ; I wish to draw your attention to this statement

[Guest guest]

Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

 

The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked which

mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

 

Regards,

Sunil John

 

It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian Missionary.

 

Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if you ever had

delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

 

but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

 

& can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by help of Maths.

[Guest guest]

What is wrong in Sunil John's / Richard Hock's statement; and what has it got to

do with his personal faith?

 

Mathematics is one of the most critical component of astronomy as well

astrology. Let each astrologer decide - how he has got to predict?

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

" True heroism is remarkably sober, very undramatic. It is not the urge to

surpass all others at whatever cost, but the urge to serve others, at whatever

cost. " - Arthur Ashe

 

 

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>

> kaushikack

> Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:11:12 -0000

>

> Sunil John ; I wish to draw your

> attention to this statement

>

>

> Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

>

> The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

> predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked which

> mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

>

> Regards,

> Sunil John

>

> It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian Missionary.

>

> Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if you ever had

> delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

>

> but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

>

> & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by help of Maths.

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one

can't ignore Maths. As far as God is concerned, people do have

different belief systems. I don't think it is necessary to mix

Maths and God. Each of them have their own use. One is more of a

tool and the other one is a concept.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

--- kaushikack <kaushikack wrote:

 

>

> Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

>

> The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

> predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked

> which

> mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

>

> Regards,

> Sunil John

>

> It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian

> Missionary.

>

> Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if you

> ever had

> delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

>

> but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

>

> & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by help

> of Maths.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Krishna ji,

=>

>I don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.

==>

I agree.

==>

Each of them have their own use.

<==

??!! I am a bit confuced about this statment. This statements

transilates into " Maths has its own use " and " God has its own

use!! " . The second statement is true only if God is a mere concept

and not reality. Is it so?! Another question that arise is " Does god

has any USE? " Is god (the ulimate) supposed to be useful to you? Or

is it that you are supposed to be useful to god?! Or is it that both

these statements which includes the word " useful " (meterialistic!)

is wrong? Going inside, the above statement is both confusing and

wrong, due to the wrong association of the word 'Useful' with the

ultimate (degrading it to a concept alone).

==>

> One is more of a tool and the other one is a concept.

<==

!!! This again wrong! The statement mixes and matches uncompairable

things! Maths is a subject which contains thousands of concepts and

facts. God is neither a concept nor a fact - it is beyond all these

classifications of the fragmented mind.

Even if for argument sake if it is accepted that god is a concept,

then too the statement is wrong since concpet/tool is not the

correct pair, but rather concept/fact. The statement is misleading.

Krishna ji, you are mixing Maths and God, even afer stating: I

don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.

==>

> Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one

> can't ignore Maths.

<==

I agree completely.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one

> can't ignore Maths. As far as God is concerned, people do have

> different belief systems. I don't think it is necessary to mix

> Maths and God. Each of them have their own use. One is more of a

> tool and the other one is a concept.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

> --- kaushikack <kaushikack wrote:

>

> >

> > Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

> >

> > The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

> > predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked

> > which

> > mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sunil John

> >

> > It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian

> > Missionary.

> >

> > Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if you

> > ever had

> > delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

> >

> > but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

> >

> > & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by help

> > of Maths.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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> Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search

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>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

I used the term 'concept' to indicate God for the following

reasons:

 

- No one is able to properly define what God is. As yourself has

stated that God is beyond everything that the fragmented mind

can percieve. I agree.

 

- If you ask 100 people what God is, your will get more than 100

answers. This is because it can be understood only in the

abstract plane. Concepts are also abstracts.

 

- If one reads 'Before the beginning and After the End' by Rishi

Kumar Mishra, he/she will get a peek into the nature of God.

Just to give an example, according to our Vedas, the term

Prajapati is defined as: " Prajapati is the first supraphysical

'individual' to evolve from the three realities, or

supraphysical forces of Mana, Prana and Wak. Every individual in

this universe, from a very largest to the tiniest, is a

Prajapati, and innumerable Prajapatis together constitute this

Universe " .

 

It appears that the bits and pieces are taken from a Quantum

Physiscs book. No, this is from our vedas. Here the explanation

is focussed on the creation of the universe and the role of

Prajapati as the building block of this Universe.

 

Coming to the usefulness of God, I don't have any doubts. If one

believes in God (in whatever form), he/she would get a Guru, a

Guide and companion who constantly guides them in the path of

life. A belief that God is with me and helping to releives lot

of stress in this stressful world. If this is not useful then

what is?

 

I have tried to explain what I believe in. I don't expect

everyone to believe what I believe.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

--- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

> Dear Krishna ji,

> =>

> >I don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.

> ==>

> I agree.

> ==>

> Each of them have their own use.

> <==

> ??!! I am a bit confuced about this statment. This statements

>

> transilates into " Maths has its own use " and " God has its own

> use!! " . The second statement is true only if God is a mere

> concept

> and not reality. Is it so?! Another question that arise is

> " Does god

> has any USE? " Is god (the ulimate) supposed to be useful to

> you? Or

> is it that you are supposed to be useful to god?! Or is it

> that both

> these statements which includes the word " useful "

> (meterialistic!)

> is wrong? Going inside, the above statement is both confusing

> and

> wrong, due to the wrong association of the word 'Useful' with

> the

> ultimate (degrading it to a concept alone).

> ==>

> > One is more of a tool and the other one is a concept.

> <==

> !!! This again wrong! The statement mixes and matches

> uncompairable

> things! Maths is a subject which contains thousands of

> concepts and

> facts. God is neither a concept nor a fact - it is beyond all

> these

> classifications of the fragmented mind.

> Even if for argument sake if it is accepted that god is a

> concept,

> then too the statement is wrong since concpet/tool is not the

> correct pair, but rather concept/fact. The statement is

> misleading.

> Krishna ji, you are mixing Maths and God, even afer stating:

> I

> don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.

> ==>

> > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one

> > can't ignore Maths.

> <==

> I agree completely.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Krishnamurthy

>

> Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one

> > can't ignore Maths. As far as God is concerned, people do

> have

> > different belief systems. I don't think it is necessary to

> mix

> > Maths and God. Each of them have their own use. One is more

> of a

> > tool and the other one is a concept.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> > --- kaushikack <kaushikack wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

> > >

> > > The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

> > > predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was

> asked

> > > which

> > > mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > > It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian

> > > Missionary.

> > >

> > > Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if

> you

> > > ever had

> > > delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

> > >

> > > but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

> > >

> > > & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by

> help

> > > of Maths.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Well said!

Love,

Sreenadh

, Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> I used the term 'concept' to indicate God for the following

> reasons:

>

> - No one is able to properly define what God is. As yourself has

> stated that God is beyond everything that the fragmented mind

> can percieve. I agree.

>

> - If you ask 100 people what God is, your will get more than 100

> answers. This is because it can be understood only in the

> abstract plane. Concepts are also abstracts.

>

> - If one reads 'Before the beginning and After the End' by Rishi

> Kumar Mishra, he/she will get a peek into the nature of God.

> Just to give an example, according to our Vedas, the term

> Prajapati is defined as: " Prajapati is the first supraphysical

> 'individual' to evolve from the three realities, or

> supraphysical forces of Mana, Prana and Wak. Every individual in

> this universe, from a very largest to the tiniest, is a

> Prajapati, and innumerable Prajapatis together constitute this

> Universe " .

>

> It appears that the bits and pieces are taken from a Quantum

> Physiscs book. No, this is from our vedas. Here the explanation

> is focussed on the creation of the universe and the role of

> Prajapati as the building block of this Universe.

>

> Coming to the usefulness of God, I don't have any doubts. If one

> believes in God (in whatever form), he/she would get a Guru, a

> Guide and companion who constantly guides them in the path of

> life. A belief that God is with me and helping to releives lot

> of stress in this stressful world. If this is not useful then

> what is?

>

> I have tried to explain what I believe in. I don't expect

> everyone to believe what I believe.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

> --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> > =>

> > >I don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.

> > ==>

> > I agree.

> > ==>

> > Each of them have their own use.

> > <==

> > ??!! I am a bit confuced about this statment. This statements

> >

> > transilates into " Maths has its own use " and " God has its own

> > use!! " . The second statement is true only if God is a mere

> > concept

> > and not reality. Is it so?! Another question that arise is

> > " Does god

> > has any USE? " Is god (the ulimate) supposed to be useful to

> > you? Or

> > is it that you are supposed to be useful to god?! Or is it

> > that both

> > these statements which includes the word " useful "

> > (meterialistic!)

> > is wrong? Going inside, the above statement is both confusing

> > and

> > wrong, due to the wrong association of the word 'Useful' with

> > the

> > ultimate (degrading it to a concept alone).

> > ==>

> > > One is more of a tool and the other one is a concept.

> > <==

> > !!! This again wrong! The statement mixes and matches

> > uncompairable

> > things! Maths is a subject which contains thousands of

> > concepts and

> > facts. God is neither a concept nor a fact - it is beyond all

> > these

> > classifications of the fragmented mind.

> > Even if for argument sake if it is accepted that god is a

> > concept,

> > then too the statement is wrong since concpet/tool is not the

> > correct pair, but rather concept/fact. The statement is

> > misleading.

> > Krishna ji, you are mixing Maths and God, even afer stating:

> > I

> > don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.

> > ==>

> > > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one

> > > can't ignore Maths.

> > <==

> > I agree completely.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

> >

> > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one

> > > can't ignore Maths. As far as God is concerned, people do

> > have

> > > different belief systems. I don't think it is necessary to

> > mix

> > > Maths and God. Each of them have their own use. One is more

> > of a

> > > tool and the other one is a concept.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > > --- kaushikack <kaushikack@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

> > > >

> > > > The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

> > > > predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was

> > asked

> > > > which

> > > > mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian

> > > > Missionary.

> > > >

> > > > Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if

> > you

> > > > ever had

> > > > delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

> > > >

> > > > but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

> > > >

> > > > & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by

> > help

> > > > of Maths.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sri Isht KripaKindly refrain from such personal attacks and talk. Sri Sunil John is a wonderful person and has learnt jyotish from great masters of modern India. I say that cause I know him personally. The message is totally clear that there are purely scientific techniques that he strive to find. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 6/1/07, kaushikack <kaushikack wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

 

The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked which

mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

 

Regards,

Sunil John

 

It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian Missionary.

 

Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if you ever had

delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

 

but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

 

& can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by help of Maths.

[Guest guest]

Dear Bharat ji,

I second it, and pardon me for any mistakes from my part. Sunil

John is a good friend of me and will be. I respect him for his

dedication to the subject, dedication to his guru (CS Patel), and

the warm friendship he shares with the near and dear ones. The

contribution of CS Patel ji is quiet notable in the field of

astrology and I have a special regard for him for the efforts he

puts in de-mystifying, scrutinizing many areas of astrology and

revealing wonderful facts.

But still, I don't think that the words of kaushikack ji should be

taken in literal sense and as personal attack. It could be and

should be considered as a free (informal) conversation between two

friends who respect each other, but still states the point he

believes with the enough stress.

 

Note: Such small frictions are normal and if not what is joy of

friendship. There is a saying that if there is no friction in the

family there is no love as well. Because in that case some will be

over submissive and some others autocratic. It is good to have good

friend ship with a bit of friction occasionally because the

standpoint of everyone is valuable and every individual is unique

with their own capabilities.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Bharat Hindu

Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Sri Isht Kripa

>

> Kindly refrain from such personal attacks and talk. Sri Sunil John

is a

> wonderful person and has learnt jyotish from great masters of

modern India.

> I say that cause I know him personally.

>

> The message is totally clear that there are purely scientific

techniques

> that he strive to find.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 6/1/07, kaushikack <kaushikack wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

> >

> > The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

> > predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked

which

> > mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sunil John

> >

> > It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian

Missionary.

> >

> > Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if you

ever had

> > delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

> >

> > but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

> >

> > & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by help of

Maths.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji and other respected friends, Yes, it is very difficult to define what God is. I thought I had very scientific answer and posted many of the articles here about it. Now my perception has changed. I had taken deekshas in kundalini yoga and the concepts explained was fully scientific and it fully satisfied my reasoning. Recently I had the privilage of taking another type of deeksha which is also kundalini. My guru is well respected siddha medicine practicionar and possess great abilities in siddha medicine. Earlier, it was said that kundalini is in down part of our body i.e. near to our sexual glands, mooladhara gland. But in this current method, it is said that kundalini is in upper portion of the body. The real mooladhara is also in upper portion of the body. It is said that it is the art of not dyeing. If we want to stop birth, then, we have to stop birth. This

kundalini practice enables that. The meaning of kundalini itself is very different. All vedas try to explain this thing. Whatever rituals we do, signifies the practice of art of not dieing. It seems that it is kept as god's secret and is given to disciples in guru-sisya (gurukulam). Since each method has its own, I decided to start reading all the ancient siddhas poems. To find out the truth, I myself started reading all the ancient sages' poems and descriptions (there are some well known sages in tamilnadu, like, Thiruvalluvar, Thirumoolar, Vallalar, agathiyar). They also tell in their poems that it is god secret and only guru will tell to the eligible students. I see that its really powerful. I am able to figure out/decode those pomes a little bit. Siva linga denotes the secret of Kundalini. But modern people decoded it to something else. Whatever photos we see as Siva, like a small half moon and ganga

put in siva's head denotes so many secrets. I dont know, probably my this perception also change with time again:-). But I am in path of searching and I hope may be one day I will decode the ultimate da vince code:-). Thanks, Dhanapal Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Well said!Love,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > I used the term 'concept' to indicate God for the following> reasons:> > - No one is able to properly define what God is. As yourself has> stated that God is beyond everything that the fragmented mind> can percieve. I agree.> > - If you ask 100 people what God is, your will get more than 100> answers. This is because it can be understood only in the> abstract plane. Concepts are also abstracts.> > - If one reads 'Before the beginning and After the End' by Rishi> Kumar Mishra, he/she will get a peek into the nature of God.> Just to give an example, according to our Vedas, the term> Prajapati is defined as: "Prajapati is the first

supraphysical> 'individual' to evolve from the three realities, or> supraphysical forces of Mana, Prana and Wak. Every individual in> this universe, from a very largest to the tiniest, is a> Prajapati, and innumerable Prajapatis together constitute this> Universe".> > It appears that the bits and pieces are taken from a Quantum> Physiscs book. No, this is from our vedas. Here the explanation> is focussed on the creation of the universe and the role of> Prajapati as the building block of this Universe.> > Coming to the usefulness of God, I don't have any doubts. If one> believes in God (in whatever form), he/she would get a Guru, a> Guide and companion who constantly guides them in the path of> life. A belief that God is with me and helping to releives lot> of stress in this stressful world. If this is not useful then> what is?> > I have tried

to explain what I believe in. I don't expect> everyone to believe what I believe.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Krishna ji,> > =>> > >I don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God. > > ==>> > I agree.> > ==>> > Each of them have their own use. > > <==> > ??!! I am a bit confuced about this statment. This statements> > > > transilates into "Maths has its own use" and "God has its own > > use!!". The second statement is true only if God is a mere> > concept > > and not reality. Is it so?! Another question that arise is> > "Does god > > has any USE?" Is god (the ulimate) supposed to be useful to> > you? Or > > is it that you are supposed to be useful to god?! Or is

it> > that both > > these statements which includes the word "useful"> > (meterialistic!) > > is wrong? Going inside, the above statement is both confusing> > and > > wrong, due to the wrong association of the word 'Useful' with> > the > > ultimate (degrading it to a concept alone).> > ==>> > > One is more of a tool and the other one is a concept.> > <==> > !!! This again wrong! The statement mixes and matches> > uncompairable > > things! Maths is a subject which contains thousands of> > concepts and > > facts. God is neither a concept nor a fact - it is beyond all> > these > > classifications of the fragmented mind. > > Even if for argument sake if it is accepted that god is a> > concept, > > then too the statement is wrong since concpet/tool is not

the > > correct pair, but rather concept/fact. The statement is> > misleading.> > Krishna ji, you are mixing Maths and God, even afer stating:> > I > > don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.> > ==>> > > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one> > > can't ignore Maths.> > <==> > I agree completely.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:> > >> > > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one> > > can't ignore Maths. As far as God is concerned, people do> > have> > > different belief systems. I don't think it is necessary

to> > mix> > > Maths and God. Each of them have their own use. One is more> > of a> > > tool and the other one is a concept.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > --- kaushikack <kaushikack@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-> > > > > > > > The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could> > > > predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was> > asked> > > > which> > > > mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Sunil John> > > > > > > > It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian> > > >

Missionary.> > > > > > > > Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if> > you> > > > ever had> > > > delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY> > > > > > > > but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,> > > > > > > > & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by> > help> > > > of Maths.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ________> > _______________> > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at

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Dear Sreenadh ji and other respected friends, Does astrology talk about kundalini? What it is and where it is in our body? Does it have any relationship with time? -Dhanapal Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Well said!Love,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > I used the term 'concept' to indicate God for the following> reasons:> > - No one is able to properly define what God is. As yourself has> stated that God is beyond everything that the fragmented mind> can percieve. I agree.> > - If you ask 100 people what God is, your will get more than 100> answers. This is because it can be understood only in the> abstract plane. Concepts are also abstracts.> > - If one reads 'Before the beginning and After the End' by Rishi> Kumar Mishra, he/she will get a peek into the nature of God.> Just to give an example, according to our Vedas, the term> Prajapati is defined as: "Prajapati is the first supraphysical> 'individual' to evolve from the three realities, or> supraphysical forces of Mana, Prana and Wak. Every individual in> this

universe, from a very largest to the tiniest, is a> Prajapati, and innumerable Prajapatis together constitute this> Universe".> > It appears that the bits and pieces are taken from a Quantum> Physiscs book. No, this is from our vedas. Here the explanation> is focussed on the creation of the universe and the role of> Prajapati as the building block of this Universe.> > Coming to the usefulness of God, I don't have any doubts. If one> believes in God (in whatever form), he/she would get a Guru, a> Guide and companion who constantly guides them in the path of> life. A belief that God is with me and helping to releives lot> of stress in this stressful world. If this is not useful then> what is?> > I have tried to explain what I believe in. I don't expect> everyone to believe what I believe.> > Regards,> Krishna> > >

--- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Krishna ji,> > =>> > >I don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God. > > ==>> > I agree.> > ==>> > Each of them have their own use. > > <==> > ??!! I am a bit confuced about this statment. This statements> > > > transilates into "Maths has its own use" and "God has its own > > use!!". The second statement is true only if God is a mere> > concept > > and not reality. Is it so?! Another question that arise is> > "Does god > > has any USE?" Is god (the ulimate) supposed to be useful to> > you? Or > > is it that you are supposed to be useful to god?! Or is it> > that both > > these statements which includes the word "useful"> > (meterialistic!) > > is wrong? Going inside, the

above statement is both confusing> > and > > wrong, due to the wrong association of the word 'Useful' with> > the > > ultimate (degrading it to a concept alone).> > ==>> > > One is more of a tool and the other one is a concept.> > <==> > !!! This again wrong! The statement mixes and matches> > uncompairable > > things! Maths is a subject which contains thousands of> > concepts and > > facts. God is neither a concept nor a fact - it is beyond all> > these > > classifications of the fragmented mind. > > Even if for argument sake if it is accepted that god is a> > concept, > > then too the statement is wrong since concpet/tool is not the > > correct pair, but rather concept/fact. The statement is> > misleading.> > Krishna ji, you are mixing Maths and God, even afer

stating:> > I > > don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.> > ==>> > > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one> > > can't ignore Maths.> > <==> > I agree completely.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:> > >> > > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one> > > can't ignore Maths. As far as God is concerned, people do> > have> > > different belief systems. I don't think it is necessary to> > mix> > > Maths and God. Each of them have their own use. One is more> > of a> > > tool and the other one is a

concept.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > --- kaushikack <kaushikack@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-> > > > > > > > The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could> > > > predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was> > asked> > > > which> > > > mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Sunil John> > > > > > > > It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian> > > > Missionary.> > > > > > > > Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if> > you> > > > ever

had> > > > delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY> > > > > > > > but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,> > > > > > > > & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by> > help> > > > of Maths.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ________> > _______________> > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search> > > http://search./search?> >

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I wonder..when u will stop all these...(the search too is

essential..to find that u won't find it outside..) and start

meditating... The questions will vanish...

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Dhanapal T

<tdhanapal_logic wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji and other respected friends,

>

> Yes, it is very difficult to define what God is. I thought I had

very scientific answer and posted many of the articles here about

it. Now my perception has changed. I had taken deekshas in kundalini

yoga and the concepts explained was fully scientific and it fully

satisfied my reasoning.

>

> Recently I had the privilage of taking another type of deeksha

which is also kundalini. My guru is well respected siddha medicine

practicionar and possess great abilities in siddha medicine.

Earlier, it was said that kundalini is in down part of our body i.e.

near to our sexual glands, mooladhara gland. But in this current

method, it is said that kundalini is in upper portion of the body.

The real mooladhara is also in upper portion of the body. It is said

that it is the art of not dyeing. If we want to stop birth, then, we

have to stop birth. This kundalini practice enables that. The

meaning of kundalini itself is very different. All vedas try to

explain this thing. Whatever rituals we do, signifies the practice

of art of not dieing. It seems that it is kept as god's secret and

is given to disciples in guru-sisya (gurukulam).

>

> Since each method has its own, I decided to start reading all

the ancient siddhas poems.

> To find out the truth, I myself started reading all the ancient

sages' poems and descriptions (there are some well known sages in

tamilnadu, like, Thiruvalluvar, Thirumoolar, Vallalar, agathiyar).

They also tell in their poems that it is god secret and only guru

will tell to the eligible students. I see that its really powerful.

I am able to figure out/decode those pomes a little bit. Siva linga

denotes the secret of Kundalini. But modern people decoded it to

something else. Whatever photos we see as Siva, like a small half

moon and ganga put in siva's head denotes so many secrets.

>

> I dont know, probably my this perception also change with time

again:-). But I am in path of searching and I hope may be one day I

will decode the ultimate da vince code:-).

>

> Thanks,

> Dhanapal

>

>

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Well said!

> Love,

> Sreenadh

> , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > I used the term 'concept' to indicate God for the following

> > reasons:

> >

> > - No one is able to properly define what God is. As yourself has

> > stated that God is beyond everything that the fragmented mind

> > can percieve. I agree.

> >

> > - If you ask 100 people what God is, your will get more than 100

> > answers. This is because it can be understood only in the

> > abstract plane. Concepts are also abstracts.

> >

> > - If one reads 'Before the beginning and After the End' by Rishi

> > Kumar Mishra, he/she will get a peek into the nature of God.

> > Just to give an example, according to our Vedas, the term

> > Prajapati is defined as: " Prajapati is the first supraphysical

> > 'individual' to evolve from the three realities, or

> > supraphysical forces of Mana, Prana and Wak. Every individual in

> > this universe, from a very largest to the tiniest, is a

> > Prajapati, and innumerable Prajapatis together constitute this

> > Universe " .

> >

> > It appears that the bits and pieces are taken from a Quantum

> > Physiscs book. No, this is from our vedas. Here the explanation

> > is focussed on the creation of the universe and the role of

> > Prajapati as the building block of this Universe.

> >

> > Coming to the usefulness of God, I don't have any doubts. If one

> > believes in God (in whatever form), he/she would get a Guru, a

> > Guide and companion who constantly guides them in the path of

> > life. A belief that God is with me and helping to releives lot

> > of stress in this stressful world. If this is not useful then

> > what is?

> >

> > I have tried to explain what I believe in. I don't expect

> > everyone to believe what I believe.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > =>

> > > >I don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.

> > > ==>

> > > I agree.

> > > ==>

> > > Each of them have their own use.

> > > <==

> > > ??!! I am a bit confuced about this statment. This statements

> > >

> > > transilates into " Maths has its own use " and " God has its own

> > > use!! " . The second statement is true only if God is a mere

> > > concept

> > > and not reality. Is it so?! Another question that arise is

> > > " Does god

> > > has any USE? " Is god (the ulimate) supposed to be useful to

> > > you? Or

> > > is it that you are supposed to be useful to god?! Or is it

> > > that both

> > > these statements which includes the word " useful "

> > > (meterialistic!)

> > > is wrong? Going inside, the above statement is both confusing

> > > and

> > > wrong, due to the wrong association of the word 'Useful' with

> > > the

> > > ultimate (degrading it to a concept alone).

> > > ==>

> > > > One is more of a tool and the other one is a concept.

> > > <==

> > > !!! This again wrong! The statement mixes and matches

> > > uncompairable

> > > things! Maths is a subject which contains thousands of

> > > concepts and

> > > facts. God is neither a concept nor a fact - it is beyond all

> > > these

> > > classifications of the fragmented mind.

> > > Even if for argument sake if it is accepted that god is a

> > > concept,

> > > then too the statement is wrong since concpet/tool is not the

> > > correct pair, but rather concept/fact. The statement is

> > > misleading.

> > > Krishna ji, you are mixing Maths and God, even afer stating:

> > > I

> > > don't think it is necessary to mix Maths and God.

> > > ==>

> > > > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one

> > > > can't ignore Maths.

> > > <==

> > > I agree completely.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy

> > >

> > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Well, it does not matter from whom you learn Astrology, one

> > > > can't ignore Maths. As far as God is concerned, people do

> > > have

> > > > different belief systems. I don't think it is necessary to

> > > mix

> > > > Maths and God. Each of them have their own use. One is more

> > > of a

> > > > tool and the other one is a concept.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- kaushikack <kaushikack@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

> > > > >

> > > > > The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

> > > > > predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was

> > > asked

> > > > > which

> > > > > mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian

> > > > > Missionary.

> > > > >

> > > > > Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if

> > > you

> > > > > ever had

> > > > > delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

> > > > >

> > > > > but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

> > > > >

> > > > > & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by

> > > help

> > > > > of Maths.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> ________

> > > _______________

> > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?

> > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search

> > > > http://search./search?

> > > fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>

> sreesog

> Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:01:03 -0000

>

> Re: Sunil John ; I wish to draw your

> attention to this statement

>

> Dear Bharat ji,

> I second it, and pardon me for any mistakes from my part. Sunil

> John is a good friend of me and will be. I respect him for his

> dedication to the subject, dedication to his guru (CS Patel), and

> the warm friendship he shares with the near and dear ones. The

> contribution of CS Patel ji is quiet notable in the field of

> astrology and I have a special regard for him for the efforts he

> puts in de-mystifying, scrutinizing many areas of astrology and

> revealing wonderful facts.

> But still, I don't think that the words of kaushikack ji should be

> taken in literal sense and as personal attack. It could be and

> should be considered as a free (informal) conversation between two

> friends who respect each other, but still states the point he

> believes with the enough stress.

>

> Note: Such small frictions are normal and if not what is joy of

> friendship. There is a saying that if there is no friction in the

> family there is no love as well. Because in that case some will be

> over submissive and some others autocratic. It is good to have good

> friend ship with a bit of friction occasionally because the

> standpoint of everyone is valuable and every individual is unique

> with their own capabilities.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Bharat Hindu

> Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote:

>>

>> Sri Isht Kripa

>>

>> Kindly refrain from such personal attacks and talk. Sri Sunil John

> is a

>> wonderful person and has learnt jyotish from great masters of

> modern India.

>> I say that cause I know him personally.

>>

>> The message is totally clear that there are purely scientific

> techniques

>> that he strive to find.

>>

>> Thanks and Regards

>> Bharat

>>

>> On 6/1/07, kaushikack <kaushikack wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> Sunil John ; I wish to point to your statment-

>>>

>>> The late Richard Hock, the great jyotishi who could

>>> predict the date of events with fantastic accuracy, was asked

> which

>>> mantra he uses for his predictions he said Maths.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Sunil John

>>>

>>> It seems you have learnt your Jyotish from a Christian

> Missionary.

>>>

>>> Because if you had learnt Jyotish from a capable Guru & if you

> ever had

>>> delved into books, you wouldn't find MATHS or TRIGNOMETRY

>>>

>>> but words like Devi, Isht Kripa,

>>>

>>> & can your mathematician friend explain God & Destiny by help of

> Maths.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>