Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath? Please help analyze.

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is possible, specially with some minor rectification in TOB. What is

the source of TOB ?

Only 2 planets are exalted not 4, both of which are debilitated in Navamsa.

Ask him to recite Ramraksha Stotra. He is likely to avoid imprisonment. Next

dasa will be of Saturn and it being 9th lord, one shoud expect financial

prosperity and material well being, naturally.

 

P.Kumar

 

 

On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba_appa wrote:

>

> Respected learned astrologers:

>

> The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal processes

> has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

>

> The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple

> of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> molester.

>

> He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> from lagna).

>

> I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions, he

> comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication and

> interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent nature,

> as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

> finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> would be a danger to society if he was released.

>

> The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though

> the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> view of the psychiatrist opinion.

>

> His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja kesari

> yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> chart.

>

> Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

>

> Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

>

> 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> justice possible?

> 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> affairs?

>

> From an astrological standpoint:

>

> 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> behavior?

> 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of

> circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he

> was a child? How does one see that?

>

> Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> detailed comprehensive response.

>

>

[Guest guest]

As I indicated, the TOB is per prison records. It is likely that it has

been obtained from his birth certificate. The 4 planets that are exalted

based on what I saw are:

Ve (Pi), Sun (Aries), Ra (Ge) and Ke (Sg). Mo and Jup form a gaja kesari

yoga in the 5th house. He is already serving prison term.

 

vedic astrology , " Praveen Agrawal " <pkumar24

wrote:

>

> Yes, it is possible, specially with some minor rectification in TOB.

What is

> the source of TOB ?

> Only 2 planets are exalted not 4, both of which are debilitated in

Navamsa.

> Ask him to recite Ramraksha Stotra. He is likely to avoid

imprisonment. Next

> dasa will be of Saturn and it being 9th lord, one shoud expect

financial

> prosperity and material well being, naturally.

>

> P.Kumar

>

>

> On 6/7/07, subba_appa subba_appa wrote:

> >

> > Respected learned astrologers:

> >

> > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

processes

> > has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> >

> > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

couple

> > of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> > molester.

> >

> > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> > from lagna).

> >

> > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions,

he

> > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

and

> > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature,

> > as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> > prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer

also

> > finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case

has

> > reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and

it

> > would be a danger to society if he was released.

> >

> > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

though

> > the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful

in

> > view of the psychiatrist opinion.

> >

> > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari

> > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> > chart.

> >

> > Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

> >

> > Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

> >

> > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> > justice possible?

> > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> > affairs?

> >

> > From an astrological standpoint:

> >

> > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > behavior?

> > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

of

> > circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

he

> > was a child? How does one see that?

> >

> > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> > detailed comprehensive response.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello Learned astrologers:The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal processes

has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

 

The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple

of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

supposedly committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

 

He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

from lagna).

 

I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions, he

comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

and interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature, as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time

in prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer

also finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the

case has reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous

psychopath and it would be a danger to society if he was released.

 

The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though

the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

view of the psychiatrist opinion.

 

His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a

good chart.

 

Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

 

Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

justice possible?Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of affairs?

 

 

From an astrological standpoint:

What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual behavior?What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of circumstances? How does that one judge that?Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he was a child? How does one see that?

 

 

Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

detailed comprehensive response.Thanks

[Guest guest]

Dear Subba_appaWell this is infact a very interesting chart . On the onset i see that lagna degree is at edge , and with a chage of 4 minutes can change the lagna. But seeing his arudha lagna falling in aries,malefic planets in 3rd and 6th from Al , quite show the gemini lagna( and that to vargottma, gemini being maithuna sign) as being the right one. The jupiter being retrograde acts as debilitated and is also badhakesh for the chart.More so sun, jupiter and venus are infact all debilitated in navamsa. More so the jupiter and moon( the so called gaj keasari) are in rahu nakshatra , yes there is intelligence but going beyond boundaries( not wisdom of jupiter but rahu's illusion ), as rahu is also exalted. There is an exchange between 5th and 10th lord , while both jupiter and venus are forming a brahmin shaapa and kalatra shaapa. The Ak saturn gives a lot of suffering and spirituality in life and the swamsa is 12th to karakamsa, showing again some isolated stay , which is also very evident through lagna lord being in 12th house , in both D-1 and D-9 . There is a strong unmada yoga in 4th house, sarpa yoga in kendras, retrograde planets in kendra changing the wheels direction always. The debilitated Jupiter ( badhakesh of d-1 chart) and moon being in 8th house in navamsa shows a lot of debts to MahaVishnu.

This is what i see on primary look. Nirvanika. Namah Shivaya On 6/7/07, subba_appa <

subba.iyer wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hello Learned astrologers:The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal processes

has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

 

The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple

of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

supposedly committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

 

He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

from lagna).

 

I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions, he

comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

and interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature, as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time

in prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer

also finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the

case has reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous

psychopath and it would be a danger to society if he was released.

 

The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though

the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

view of the psychiatrist opinion.

 

His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a

good chart.

 

Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

 

Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

justice possible?Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of affairs?

 

 

 

From an astrological standpoint:

What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual behavior?What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he was a child? How does one see that?

 

 

Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

detailed comprehensive response.Thanks

[Guest guest]

All right. This chart is complicated. This chart is a Splay...the

planets are spread out into groups. These groups are about evenly

distributed over the chart. The Rashi chart represented as a wheel

shows this.

I can't believe no one noticed the Mystic Rectangle in the center of

the chart. (It's a matter of how the chart is drawn. The advantage

of the wheel Rashi chart is that it shows all the aspect patterns and

major events quickly.).

 

The afflicted 4th house? I don't know where you're getting that from.

The T Square that focuses on Neptune in Sagittarius is a bigger deal

than that at first look. Neptune in Sagittarius is in 7, the 7th

House, opposite the 1st House.

 

I am going to have to give this one a good long look and a full

report, I don't like the looks of this...a complicated chart is hard

to read.

What I can tell is, Neptune (mental illness) in the 6th (Quadrant )

house or 7th house (whole sign / Vedic house system) is a big deal

in this chart. This is chart where not including the outer planets

does make a difference. Neptune at the focuse of the T Square does

not necessarily mean he's crazy or sane...it just means that mental

illness, psychopathy being one of them, is a big focus here. By

itself, the focal point doesn't tell us exactly how that's going to

be expressed....at least not yet.

I am going to proceed with caution.

 

 

vedic astrology , " Praveen Agrawal "

<pkumar24 wrote:

>

> Yes, it is possible, specially with some minor rectification in

TOB. What is

> the source of TOB ?

> Only 2 planets are exalted not 4, both of which are debilitated in

Navamsa.

> Ask him to recite Ramraksha Stotra. He is likely to avoid

imprisonment. Next

> dasa will be of Saturn and it being 9th lord, one shoud expect

financial

> prosperity and material well being, naturally.

>

> P.Kumar

>

>

> On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba_appa wrote:

> >

> > Respected learned astrologers:

> >

> > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are

very

> > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

processes

> > has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> >

> > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

couple

> > of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> > molester.

> >

> > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

(started

> > from lagna).

> >

> > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

interactions, he

> > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

communication and

> > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature,

> > as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> > prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer

also

> > finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the

case has

> > reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath

and it

> > would be a danger to society if he was released.

> >

> > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

though

> > the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be

successful in

> > view of the psychiatrist opinion.

> >

> > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari

> > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> > chart.

> >

> > Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

> >

> > Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

> >

> > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

crimes?

> > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> > justice possible?

> > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

appeal

> > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state

of

> > affairs?

> >

> > From an astrological standpoint:

> >

> > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > behavior?

> > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

term?

> > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a

victim of

> > circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself

when he

> > was a child? How does one see that?

> >

> > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a

very

> > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

more

> > detailed comprehensive response.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and shani. Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is aspected by shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sex drive. 4 malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and ravi are debilited in navansha.

 

The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra to suggest mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only negative I can say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is strong.

 

 

So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive. Mangal and shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

 

....

On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Learned astrologers:The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal processes has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were supposedly committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started from lagna).

I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions, he comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication and interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent nature, as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it would be a danger to society if he was released.

The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in view of the psychiatrist opinion. His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja kesari yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good chart. Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

 

Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of justice possible?

Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of affairs?From an astrological standpoint:

 

What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual behavior?

What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he was a child? How does one see that?Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more detailed comprehensive response.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

 

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

 

Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

 

Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagma

sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birth

time is correct.

Primary Analysis

================

* Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in

Navamsa.

* Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

(indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.

(As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

* Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from the

sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on

11th from lagna)

* 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a

fallen (immoral) individual.

* As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, he

would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like an

over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

* As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoral

poor family, the native attained life success because of his unique

abilities and successful profession.

* Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate the

same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession related

to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in profession

during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25

years of age now)

* Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspected

by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate the

same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate

madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). No

doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasa

from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari dasa

from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible to

the world in this period.

* 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicate

a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence for

long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

* Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not

help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.

* Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would be

destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of

the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trend

will be followed throughout his life.

* The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,

turbulences and occasional madness.

* The native will again become famous, well known and successful only

at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same profession

and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

Remark:

=======

This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligence

and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

 

Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.

Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

Love,

Sreenadh

, Panditji

<navagraha wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and

shani.

> Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

aspected by

> shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sex

drive. 4

> malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and ravi are

> debilited in navansha.

>

> The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra to

suggest

> mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

negative I can

> say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is strong.

>

> So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive. Mangal and

> shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

>

> ...

>

>

> On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer wrote:

> >

> > Hello Learned astrologers:

> >

> > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

processes has

> > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> >

> > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

couple of

> > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

supposedly

> > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> >

> > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

(started from

> > lagna).

> >

> > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

interactions, he

> > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

communication and

> > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature, as

> > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

prison can

> > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also finds him

> > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

reported

> > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

would be a

> > danger to society if he was released.

> >

> > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

though the

> > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

view of

> > the psychiatrist opinion.

> >

> > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari

> > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

chart.

> >

> > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> >

> > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> >

> > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage

of justice

> > possible?

> > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

appeal

> > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> > affairs?

> >

> >

> >

> > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> >

> > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > behavior?

> > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

term?

> > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

> > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

> > he was a child? How does one see that?

> >

> >

> > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

more detailed

> > comprehensive response.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krsna Dear Sreenadhji, Please elaborate on why u consider jupiter and moon to be unmada yoga. i see the 5th house of chit and mantrabhva , and jupiter moon as benefic planets , why would they cause unmada. ? * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

 

(indicating a psychological patient),Nirvanika Namah shivaya On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

 

BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

 

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

 

Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

 

Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagma

sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birth

time is correct.

Primary Analysis

================

* Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in

Navamsa.

* Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

(indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.

(As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

* Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from the

sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on

11th from lagna)

* 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a

fallen (immoral) individual.

* As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, he

would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like an

over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

* As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoral

poor family, the native attained life success because of his unique

abilities and successful profession.

* Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate the

same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession related

to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in profession

during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25

years of age now)

* Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspected

by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate the

same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate

madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). No

doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasa

from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari dasa

from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible to

the world in this period.

* 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicate

a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence for

long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

* Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not

help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.

* Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would be

destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of

the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trend

will be followed throughout his life.

* The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,

turbulences and occasional madness.

* The native will again become famous, well known and successful only

at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same profession

and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

Remark:

=======

This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligence

and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

 

Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.

Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

Love,

Sreenadh

, Panditji

<navagraha wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and

shani.

> Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

aspected by

> shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sex

drive. 4

> malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and ravi are

> debilited in navansha.

>

> The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra to

suggest

> mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

negative I can

> say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is strong.

>

> So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive. Mangal and

> shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

>

> ...

>

>

> On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer wrote:

> >

> > Hello Learned astrologers:

> >

> > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

processes has

> > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> >

> > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

couple of

> > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

supposedly

> > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> >

> > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

(started from

> > lagna).

> >

> > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

interactions, he

> > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

communication and

> > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature, as

> > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

prison can

> > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also finds him

> > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

reported

> > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

would be a

> > danger to society if he was released.

> >

> > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

though the

> > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

view of

> > the psychiatrist opinion.

> >

> > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari

> > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

chart.

> >

> > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> >

> > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> >

> > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage

of justice

> > possible?

> > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

appeal

> > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> > affairs?

> >

> >

> >

> > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> >

> > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > behavior?

> > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

term?

> > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

> > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

> > he was a child? How does one see that?

> >

> >

> > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

more detailed

> > comprehensive response.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Subba Appa,

 

The case you have at hand is the case of a destiny to be fulfilled.

 

Answers from practical point of view:

 

1. Yes there are chances that he might have commited these deeds as Jupiter is

in house of Exalted Venus with Moon. Moon the karaka of emotions and thinking is

in enemies house with Jupiter which is also enimical to venus. Venus being karka

of woman and sex in a male horoscope gives this person a highly sexed up nature

but as his house is afflicted with two enemy planets there comes a perverted

view towards women, like venus wants him to have lots of sex with many woman but

jupiter wants not to. Moon compells emotionally and thus a confused approach.

Now this has happened in 5th house. This house is also known to be the house

which signifies the fruits that a person gets in this life due to deeds of past

life. Though view about sex and the things I told about earlier are just above

normal and not a sin.

 

2. Being Gemini ascendent makes him intelligent and thus he is now trying to

protect himself by blaming others and not that Justice as you call so is

micarried.

 

3. Apart from sex life he is a very intelligent and a very noble person. He has

got Jupiter in 5th house Lagna and First house in Moon Chart. A little

affliction in mind is possible as Moon is in the house of enemy and nakshatra of

Rahu. A appeal isnt likely to suceed though I donot give you advice not to go

ahead as the person is not a criminal but a victim of his fondness of sex due to

planetary configuration. Why the appeal might not succeed you will know in the

other answers that follow.

 

4. Yes remedial measures can easily get him out of Jail and improve is thought

processes, though he has to go through judicial process till Saturn Dasa is

over, I being a Bania cannot suggest you any methods. You should consult a very

good and learned astrologer for this. His chart is very strong otherwise.

 

 

From Astrological point of view:

 

1. I already have explaiined your first question.

 

2. Presence of Saturn which governs hardships, punishments and jail terms is in

the house of sukha i.e comforts and home with Mars is indicative of his house

comforts be ruined till Saturn Dasa is operative.

 

3. Already explained this earlier.

 

4. Yes there are bright chances of him having foeced sex relations with women of

lower cast in his house around the age of 10-16 years.

 

You should with the help of astrology do you best for this person.

 

Thanks

 

Vikas

 

subba_appa subba_appa

vedic astrology

Thursday, 7 June, 2007 9:58:20 Anks

 

[vedic astrology] Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath? Please

help analyze.e

 

Respected learned astrologers:

 

The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal processes

has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

 

The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple

of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

molester.

 

He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

from lagna).

 

I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions, he

comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication and

interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent nature,

as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

would be a danger to society if he was released.

 

The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though

the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

view of the psychiatrist opinion.

 

His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja kesari

yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

chart.

 

Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

 

Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

 

1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

justice possible?

3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

affairs?

 

From an astrological standpoint:

 

1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

behavior?

2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of

circumstances? How does that one judge that?

4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he

was a child? How does one see that?

 

Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

detailed comprehensive response.

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear subba appa,

 

The chart does not seem to be highly authenticated though the afflictions to

4h can often mean the foreign settlement. Secondly, answers to these

questions are more dependent on perception of the person who is reading them

and hence, I dont think value judgements should not form part of astrology.

 

On the other hand, persons like you can well afford to approach the best

astrologers around you. I strongly suggest you approach an astrologer of

repute in your neighborhood rather than hankering for free lunch here.

 

Hope you would appreiciate the positive spirit of the suggestion,

 

Kishore patnaik

 

 

On 6/10/07, Vikas Goyal <vikaslaxmi wrote:

>

> Dear Subba Appa,

>

> The case you have at hand is the case of a destiny to be fulfilled.

>

> Answers from practical point of view:

>

> 1. Yes there are chances that he might have commited these deeds as

> Jupiter is in house of Exalted Venus with Moon. Moon the karaka of emotions

> and thinking is in enemies house with Jupiter which is also enimical to

> venus. Venus being karka of woman and sex in a male horoscope gives this

> person a highly sexed up nature but as his house is afflicted with two enemy

> planets there comes a perverted view towards women, like venus wants him to

> have lots of sex with many woman but jupiter wants not to. Moon compells

> emotionally and thus a confused approach. Now this has happened in 5th

> house. This house is also known to be the house which signifies the fruits

> that a person gets in this life due to deeds of past life. Though view about

> sex and the things I told about earlier are just above normal and not a sin.

>

> 2. Being Gemini ascendent makes him intelligent and thus he is now trying

> to protect himself by blaming others and not that Justice as you call so is

> micarried.

>

> 3. Apart from sex life he is a very intelligent and a very noble person.

> He has got Jupiter in 5th house Lagna and First house in Moon Chart. A

> little affliction in mind is possible as Moon is in the house of enemy and

> nakshatra of Rahu. A appeal isnt likely to suceed though I donot give you

> advice not to go ahead as the person is not a criminal but a victim of his

> fondness of sex due to planetary configuration. Why the appeal might not

> succeed you will know in the other answers that follow.

>

> 4. Yes remedial measures can easily get him out of Jail and improve is

> thought processes, though he has to go through judicial process till Saturn

> Dasa is over, I being a Bania cannot suggest you any methods. You should

> consult a very good and learned astrologer for this. His chart is very

> strong otherwise.

>

> From Astrological point of view:

>

> 1. I already have explaiined your first question.

>

> 2. Presence of Saturn which governs hardships, punishments and jail terms

> is in the house of sukha i.e comforts and home with Mars is indicative of

> his house comforts be ruined till Saturn Dasa is operative.

>

> 3. Already explained this earlier.

>

> 4. Yes there are bright chances of him having foeced sex relations with

> women of lower cast in his house around the age of 10-16 years.

>

> You should with the help of astrology do you best for this person.

>

> Thanks

>

> Vikas

>

>

> subba_appa subba_appa <subba_appa%40.sg>

> vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40e>

> Thursday, 7 June, 2007 9:58:20 Anks

>

> [vedic astrology] Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath?

> Please help analyze.e

>

> Respected learned astrologers:

>

> The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal processes

> has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

>

> The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple

> of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> molester.

>

> He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> from lagna).

>

> I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions, he

> comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication and

> interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent nature,

> as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

> finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> would be a danger to society if he was released.

>

> The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though

> the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> view of the psychiatrist opinion.

>

> His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja kesari

> yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> chart.

>

> Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

>

> Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

>

> 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> justice possible?

> 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> affairs?

>

> From an astrological standpoint:

>

> 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> behavior?

> 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of

> circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he

> was a child? How does one see that?

>

> Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> detailed comprehensive response.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vikasji:

 

Thanks for your detailed and honest analysis. Well, his fondness of sex

is what has caused him to commit crimes. He is supposedly to have raped

a 22 year old woman, molested a few school girls and then assaulted a

woman in mid 30s. In each case, it seems he has planned the event well.

If this is not a criminal mind, wonder what it is..!

 

But he is so articulate in communicating his honesty that it leaves many

people including me bewildered.

 

 

vedic astrology , Vikas Goyal <vikaslaxmi

wrote:

>

> Dear Subba Appa,

>

> The case you have at hand is the case of a destiny to be fulfilled.

>

> Answers from practical point of view:

>

> 1. Yes there are chances that he might have commited these deeds as

Jupiter is in house of Exalted Venus with Moon. Moon the karaka of

emotions and thinking is in enemies house with Jupiter which is also

enimical to venus. Venus being karka of woman and sex in a male

horoscope gives this person a highly sexed up nature but as his house is

afflicted with two enemy planets there comes a perverted view towards

women, like venus wants him to have lots of sex with many woman but

jupiter wants not to. Moon compells emotionally and thus a confused

approach. Now this has happened in 5th house. This house is also known

to be the house which signifies the fruits that a person gets in this

life due to deeds of past life. Though view about sex and the things I

told about earlier are just above normal and not a sin.

>

> 2. Being Gemini ascendent makes him intelligent and thus he is now

trying to protect himself by blaming others and not that Justice as you

call so is micarried.

>

> 3. Apart from sex life he is a very intelligent and a very noble

person. He has got Jupiter in 5th house Lagna and First house in Moon

Chart. A little affliction in mind is possible as Moon is in the house

of enemy and nakshatra of Rahu. A appeal isnt likely to suceed though I

donot give you advice not to go ahead as the person is not a criminal

but a victim of his fondness of sex due to planetary configuration. Why

the appeal might not succeed you will know in the other answers that

follow.

>

> 4. Yes remedial measures can easily get him out of Jail and improve

is thought processes, though he has to go through judicial process till

Saturn Dasa is over, I being a Bania cannot suggest you any methods. You

should consult a very good and learned astrologer for this. His chart is

very strong otherwise.

>

>

> From Astrological point of view:

>

> 1. I already have explaiined your first question.

>

> 2. Presence of Saturn which governs hardships, punishments and jail

terms is in the house of sukha i.e comforts and home with Mars is

indicative of his house comforts be ruined till Saturn Dasa is

operative.

>

> 3. Already explained this earlier.

>

> 4. Yes there are bright chances of him having foeced sex relations

with women of lower cast in his house around the age of 10-16 years.

>

> You should with the help of astrology do you best for this person.

>

> Thanks

>

> Vikas

>

> subba_appa subba_appa

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, 7 June, 2007 9:58:20 Anks

>

> [vedic astrology] Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath?

Please help analyze.e

>

> Respected learned astrologers:

>

> The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

processes

> has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

>

> The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple

> of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> molester.

>

> He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> from lagna).

>

> I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions,

he

> comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

and

> interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature,

> as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

> finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case

has

> reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> would be a danger to society if he was released.

>

> The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though

> the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> view of the psychiatrist opinion.

>

> His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari

> yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> chart.

>

> Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

>

> Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

>

> 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> justice possible?

> 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> affairs?

>

> From an astrological standpoint:

>

> 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> behavior?

> 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of

> circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he

> was a child? How does one see that?

>

> Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> detailed comprehensive response.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Patnaikji:

 

First, I am not hankering for free lunch and I have no personal interest

here, other than as a professional counselor who is torn between his

purported innocence and actual record. I am a novice in astrology and

though I could see the affliction in 4H, I could not comment on other

aspects.

 

Secondly, don't you think that answers to most astrology questions are

dependent on the perception and astrologers do make value judgements.

This one is no exception. So, if you see my original post, I clearly

separated the list of questions into practical and astrology questions.

 

Third, how does the issue of perception gets altered just because I see

an astrologer in my neighbourbood? All the biases, perceptions and value

judgements dont disappear in the neighbourhood.

 

And my only reason to post it here is not just to get an opinion, but

given that you don't come across such charts regularly, it may of

interest to budding astrologers.

 

 

vedic astrology , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> dear subba appa,

>

> The chart does not seem to be highly authenticated though the

afflictions to

> 4h can often mean the foreign settlement. Secondly, answers to these

> questions are more dependent on perception of the person who is

reading them

> and hence, I dont think value judgements should not form part of

astrology.

>

> On the other hand, persons like you can well afford to approach the

best

> astrologers around you. I strongly suggest you approach an astrologer

of

> repute in your neighborhood rather than hankering for free lunch here.

>

> Hope you would appreiciate the positive spirit of the suggestion,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

>

> On 6/10/07, Vikas Goyal vikaslaxmi wrote:

> >

> > Dear Subba Appa,

> >

> > The case you have at hand is the case of a destiny to be fulfilled.

> >

> > Answers from practical point of view:

> >

> > 1. Yes there are chances that he might have commited these deeds as

> > Jupiter is in house of Exalted Venus with Moon. Moon the karaka of

emotions

> > and thinking is in enemies house with Jupiter which is also enimical

to

> > venus. Venus being karka of woman and sex in a male horoscope gives

this

> > person a highly sexed up nature but as his house is afflicted with

two enemy

> > planets there comes a perverted view towards women, like venus wants

him to

> > have lots of sex with many woman but jupiter wants not to. Moon

compells

> > emotionally and thus a confused approach. Now this has happened in

5th

> > house. This house is also known to be the house which signifies the

fruits

> > that a person gets in this life due to deeds of past life. Though

view about

> > sex and the things I told about earlier are just above normal and

not a sin.

> >

> > 2. Being Gemini ascendent makes him intelligent and thus he is now

trying

> > to protect himself by blaming others and not that Justice as you

call so is

> > micarried.

> >

> > 3. Apart from sex life he is a very intelligent and a very noble

person.

> > He has got Jupiter in 5th house Lagna and First house in Moon Chart.

A

> > little affliction in mind is possible as Moon is in the house of

enemy and

> > nakshatra of Rahu. A appeal isnt likely to suceed though I donot

give you

> > advice not to go ahead as the person is not a criminal but a victim

of his

> > fondness of sex due to planetary configuration. Why the appeal might

not

> > succeed you will know in the other answers that follow.

> >

> > 4. Yes remedial measures can easily get him out of Jail and improve

is

> > thought processes, though he has to go through judicial process till

Saturn

> > Dasa is over, I being a Bania cannot suggest you any methods. You

should

> > consult a very good and learned astrologer for this. His chart is

very

> > strong otherwise.

> >

> > From Astrological point of view:

> >

> > 1. I already have explaiined your first question.

> >

> > 2. Presence of Saturn which governs hardships, punishments and jail

terms

> > is in the house of sukha i.e comforts and home with Mars is

indicative of

> > his house comforts be ruined till Saturn Dasa is operative.

> >

> > 3. Already explained this earlier.

> >

> > 4. Yes there are bright chances of him having foeced sex relations

with

> > women of lower cast in his house around the age of 10-16 years.

> >

> > You should with the help of astrology do you best for this person.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Vikas

> >

> >

> > subba_appa subba_appa <subba_appa%40.sg>

> > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40e>

> > Thursday, 7 June, 2007 9:58:20 Anks

> >

> > [vedic astrology] Innocent person or a dangerous

psychopath?

> > Please help analyze.e

> >

> > Respected learned astrologers:

> >

> > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

processes

> > has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> >

> > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

couple

> > of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> > molester.

> >

> > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> > from lagna).

> >

> > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions,

he

> > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

and

> > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature,

> > as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> > prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer

also

> > finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case

has

> > reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and

it

> > would be a danger to society if he was released.

> >

> > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

though

> > the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful

in

> > view of the psychiatrist opinion.

> >

> > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari

> > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> > chart.

> >

> > Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

> >

> > Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

> >

> > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> > justice possible?

> > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> > affairs?

> >

> > From an astrological standpoint:

> >

> > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > behavior?

> > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

of

> > circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

he

> > was a child? How does one see that?

> >

> > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> > detailed comprehensive response.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Swati,

I am elabrating the same below in detail.

 

Combinations of Madness in this horoscope

=========================================

How many combinations indicating madness (psychic problem) are

present in this horoscope? Let us try to answer this question in the

conventional manner. But before proceeding to the same, I would like

to attract your attention to a sloka bit that is in popular use in

South India that is used while deriving predictions based on combinations.

The slokas that provide results for Drishi is numerous and therefore

it is difficult to remember them all. But the slokas used to derive

results based on Yuti is comparatively less in number, and therefore

easy to remember. But the fact remains that both in Drishi and Yuti of

planets, it is the mixing of significance that occurs. Due to this the

an easy solution to derive results would be to consider the general

advice-

Yuthya drishi phalam vachyam

Drishtrya Yuti phalam tatha

[For Yuti (conjunction) tell the results for Drishti (aspect) also,

and for Drishti (aspect) tell the results for Yuti (conjunction) also]

Application of this sloka makes the derivation of results easier.

Now let us look at the combinations that can cause Unmada (Madness;

psychic problem) as given by Prasnamarga (Ch. 12, sloka 31, 32). In

that sloka 8 combinations are given that can indicate madness.

1) While Ju in Lagna if Sa is in 7th it indicates madness.

2) While Ju in Lagna if Ma is in 7th it indicates madness.

3) While Sa is in Lagna, if Ma is in any of 7-5-9 houses the

combination indicates madness

4) If combust Mo or Me is in Lagna the combination indicates madness.

5) If Weak Mo or Sa in 12th the combination indicates madness.

6) If weak Mo with a malefic is placed in any of the houses 1-8-5-9

then the combination indicates madness

7) If Mandi with a malefic is placed in 7th the combination indicates

madness.

8) If Me is placed in any of the houses 3-6-8-12 the combination

indicates madness.

Apart from there other combinations as well that can indicate madness-

9) If Ju placed in 5th is afflicted by strong malifics the combination

indicates madness.

Presence of more than one of these combination in the natal chart

indicate that the native will become mad in the corresponding

Dasa-Antara indicated by the planet causing madness.

With this knowledge, let us look at the above horoscope and see

whether the horoscope indicates madness.

 

1) Combination – 1: Consider the same from Moon Lagna (Libra).

Ju is in Moon Lagna in Libra satisfying the first condition given for

the above combination. Neither Ma is not in 7th from Libra. But Ma

aspects 7th with its special aspect on 8th. Further a malefic Su is

present in 7th as well. Thus the conditions put forward by the sloka

is met, even though not based on Yuti but partially based on aspect.

This is 2nd yoga indicating Madness in the above horoscope.

2) Combination no –2

In the above horoscope, Ju in not in Lagna but aspect Lagna with its

special aspect on 9th. Thus it is equivalent to Ju in Lagna. Ma is not

present in 7th but Ma aspects 7th with its special aspect on 4th. This

is equivalent to Ma in 7th. Thus the conditions put forward by the

sloka is met, even though not based on Yuti but based on aspect. Thus

this combination indicates madness in the above horoscope.

3) Combination –3

Sa is not in Lagna, but Lagna is aspected by Sa, which can be treated

as equivalent to Sa in Lagna. Thus half of the condition is fulfilled.

Ma is not in 7-5-9. But the navamsa of Ma falls in the 9th house from

Lagna. Thus the combination can be considered as fulfilled. This is

another combination indicating madness in the above horoscope.

4) Combination – 5: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna (Libra)

Weak Sa (Saturn not aspected by Me or Ju, with not much strength due

to placement) is placed in 12th from Moon Lagna. Thus the combination

is fulfilled. Thus it indicates madness.

5) Combination –6

Mo is placed in 5th as required by the sloka. But the Moon is not weak

(having Pakshabala). But note that Moon is held between the strong

malifics Ma-Sa in 12th from Libra, and Ke in 3rd from Libra. Further

the 2nd house from Moon is aspected by Sa in 12th making this

Papamadyasthiti (placed between malifics) condition stronger. Note

that especially for significators (Moon is the significator of mind)

hemmed between malifics is considered as destructive, which is true in

this case. This has got a double impact since Ju (Significator of

intelligence, and significator of 5th house) is also placed with Mo.

Any affliction that may happen to Moon is going to cause double impact

in this situation. Thus it should be considered that the combination

indicated by the sloka as fulfilled. Further note that Ke and Su

navamsa is in Libra, which indicates eclipse of Moon (conjunction of

Ke or Ra with Mo is considered as eclipse making Moon weak). Thus for

sure it indicates madness.

6) Combination – 8

Me is placed in 12th from Lagna. Thus the combination is satisfied,

and it indicates madness.

7) Combination – 8: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna (Libra)

Me is placed in 8th house from Moon Lagna. Thus the combination is

satisfied, and it indicates madness.

8) Combination –9

Ju is placed in 5th – being the significator of 5th and the

significator of intelligence, any affliction to the same can have

double impact, and cause madness. Note that Ju is aspected by a

malefic Su. But more than this the point to be noted is that Ju is

hemmed between two strong malifics Sa-Ma in 12th house from Libra, and

the aspect of Sa in 2nd house from Libra. (Sa aspects Scorpio with

its special aspect on 3rd). Further in the 3rd house from Libra also

we can find only a malefic that is Ke. Note only that Ke and Su

navamsa also falls in Libra, making the affliction strong.

Thus in all, following the combinations for madness given in texts we

could find at least 8 combinations in the horoscope that fulfills the

condition of madness. This is more than enough to prove by " Dwi tri

samvada bhaval " (If 2 or more combinations indicate the same, that

result will actulize for sure) that madness will happen. Out of these

the combinations that attracted my attention most are –

• The placement of afflicted Mo-Ju hemmed between malifics in 5th

(with the sign lord Ve gone to 6th from 5th house and its debilitated

navamsa falling in 12th from 5th)

• Sa-Ma in 4th from Lagna and 12th from Moon sign supporting many

combinations.

That is why I went for Ju Dasa Mo Antra, and Sa Dasa Ma Antra, which

happened to be the probable period of action for these madness

combinations, indicated by the natal chart. Thus the conclusion, no

doubt, the native is a psychopath.

 

Sexual Urge

===========

When a person is mad his strongest inner urges become manifest, which

in chart happen to be sexual urges as indicated by –

• Exalted Ve

• Ve aspected by Ma (Para yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

• 7th lord Jupiter's navamsa falling in 7th itself.

• Ve navamsa falling in the same sign as where Ma is placed (Para

yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

• From Moon Ve in 6th aspected by Mars (Interest in Prostitution)

Thus the conclusion, this person surely committed those sexual crimes

charged against him, in an insane manner, and is a psychopath. It is

better not to mix up his life success in profession with this negative

trend and weakness in his character.

 

Professional Success

====================

This person is a professional success as indicated by-

• 10th lord in 5th (Kendra-Trikona)

• Exalted Ve in 10th

• 10th lord's navamsa falling in its own house Sagittarius.

• Significator of 10th Saturn and Mars aspecting 10th house

• Significator of 10th Su exalted in 11th house

And so on.

 

Argala

======

Since we were discussing Argala let us have a look at this chart in

that point of view as well. Note that 4th and 5th house have

unobstructed Argala providing positive results for the native for his

success, even though the same might have caused destruction to the

world around him.

• Ma –Sa in 4th cause Argala: Ve in 10th and Su in 11th (8th from 4th)

obstruct this, but the obstruction is not strong enough (not

obstructed by equal number of planets).

• Ju-Mo in 5th cause Argala: In 9th no planet is present to obstruct

this. In 12th (8th from 5th) Me is present, but the obstruction is not

strong enough.

Thus these combinations in 4th and 5th has really helped the native in

attaining success. It is only the imprisonment indicated by Sa that

devoid him of this complete success and put him in jail for long. If

not, uncaught he would have enjoyed the privileges, causing

destruction and loss to many. Also note that the Argala yoga in 10th

house (indicating professional success) caused by Ve is completely

obstructed by Sa-Ma in 4th. Thus his own madness and crimes will put

an end to his own professional success, tells the horoscope.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " healing spaces "

<healingspaces wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

> Dear Sreenadhji,

> Please elaborate on why u consider jupiter and moon to be unmada

yoga. i see

> the 5th house of chit and mantrabhva , and jupiter moon as benefic

planets ,

> why would they cause unmada. ?

>

> * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

> (indicating a psychological patient),

> Nirvanika

> Namah shivaya

>

>

> On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> >

> > BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

> > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

> > Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

> >

> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> > Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> > Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> > Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> > Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> > Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> > Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> >

> > Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagma

> > sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birth

> > time is correct.

> > Primary Analysis

> > ================

> > * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in

> > Navamsa.

> > * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

> > (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.

> > (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

> > * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from the

> > sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on

> > 11th from lagna)

> > * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a

> > fallen (immoral) individual.

> > * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, he

> > would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like an

> > over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

> > * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoral

> > poor family, the native attained life success because of his unique

> > abilities and successful profession.

> > * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

> > from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate the

> > same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

> > Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession related

> > to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

> > similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

> > success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

> > luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in profession

> > during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25

> > years of age now)

> > * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspected

> > by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate the

> > same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate

> > madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

> > problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). No

> > doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasa

> > from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari dasa

> > from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

> > should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

> > native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible to

> > the world in this period.

> > * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicate

> > a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence for

> > long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

> > * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not

> > help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.

> > * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would be

> > destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of

> > the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trend

> > will be followed throughout his life.

> > * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,

> > turbulences and occasional madness.

> > * The native will again become famous, well known and successful only

> > at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same profession

> > and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

> > Remark:

> > =======

> > This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligence

> > and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

> > sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

> > will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

> > late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

> > futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

> >

> > Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

> > combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.

> > Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> > --- In

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com>,

> > Panditji

> > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and

> > shani.

> > > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

> > aspected by

> > > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sex

> > drive. 4

> > > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and

ravi are

> > > debilited in navansha.

> > >

> > > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra to

> > suggest

> > > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

> > negative I can

> > > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is

strong.

> > >

> > > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive.

Mangal and

> > > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Learned astrologers:

> > > >

> > > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws

are very

> > > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> > processes has

> > > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > > >

> > > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

> > couple of

> > > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly

> > > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> > > >

> > > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

> > (started from

> > > > lagna).

> > > >

> > > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

> > interactions, he

> > > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

> > communication and

> > > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

> > nature, as

> > > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> > prison can

> > > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

finds him

> > > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> > reported

> > > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> > would be a

> > > > danger to society if he was released.

> > > >

> > > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

> > though the

> > > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> > view of

> > > > the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > >

> > > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

> > kesari

> > > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> > chart.

> > > >

> > > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> > > >

> > > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

crimes?

> > > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage

> > of justice

> > > > possible?

> > > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

> > appeal

> > > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the

state of

> > > > affairs?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > > > behavior?

> > > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

> > term?

> > > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

> > > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

> > > > he was a child? How does one see that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a

very

> > > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

> > more detailed

> > > > comprehensive response.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

 

vedic astrology , " subba_appa " <subba_appa

wrote:

>

> Dear Patnaikji:

>

> First, I am not hankering for free lunch and I have no personal interest

> here, other than as a professional counselor who is torn between his

> purported innocence and actual record. I am a novice in astrology and

> though I could see the affliction in 4H, I could not comment on other

> aspects.

>

> Secondly, don't you think that answers to most astrology questions are

> dependent on the perception and astrologers do make value judgements.

> This one is no exception. So, if you see my original post, I clearly

> separated the list of questions into practical and astrology questions.

>

> Third, how does the issue of perception gets altered just because I see

> an astrologer in my neighbourbood? All the biases, perceptions and value

> judgements dont disappear in the neighbourhood.

>

> And my only reason to post it here is not just to get an opinion, but

> given that you don't come across such charts regularly, it may of

> interest to budding astrologers.

>

>

> vedic astrology , " kishore patnaik "

> <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> >

> > dear subba appa,

> >

> > The chart does not seem to be highly authenticated though the

> afflictions to

> > 4h can often mean the foreign settlement. Secondly, answers to these

> > questions are more dependent on perception of the person who is

> reading them

> > and hence, I dont think value judgements should not form part of

> astrology.

> >

> > On the other hand, persons like you can well afford to approach the

> best

> > astrologers around you. I strongly suggest you approach an astrologer

> of

> > repute in your neighborhood rather than hankering for free lunch here.

> >

> > Hope you would appreiciate the positive spirit of the suggestion,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> > On 6/10/07, Vikas Goyal vikaslaxmi@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Subba Appa,

> > >

> > > The case you have at hand is the case of a destiny to be fulfilled.

> > >

> > > Answers from practical point of view:

> > >

> > > 1. Yes there are chances that he might have commited these deeds as

> > > Jupiter is in house of Exalted Venus with Moon. Moon the karaka of

> emotions

> > > and thinking is in enemies house with Jupiter which is also enimical

> to

> > > venus. Venus being karka of woman and sex in a male horoscope gives

> this

> > > person a highly sexed up nature but as his house is afflicted with

> two enemy

> > > planets there comes a perverted view towards women, like venus wants

> him to

> > > have lots of sex with many woman but jupiter wants not to. Moon

> compells

> > > emotionally and thus a confused approach. Now this has happened in

> 5th

> > > house. This house is also known to be the house which signifies the

> fruits

> > > that a person gets in this life due to deeds of past life. Though

> view about

> > > sex and the things I told about earlier are just above normal and

> not a sin.

> > >

> > > 2. Being Gemini ascendent makes him intelligent and thus he is now

> trying

> > > to protect himself by blaming others and not that Justice as you

> call so is

> > > micarried.

> > >

> > > 3. Apart from sex life he is a very intelligent and a very noble

> person.

> > > He has got Jupiter in 5th house Lagna and First house in Moon Chart.

> A

> > > little affliction in mind is possible as Moon is in the house of

> enemy and

> > > nakshatra of Rahu. A appeal isnt likely to suceed though I donot

> give you

> > > advice not to go ahead as the person is not a criminal but a victim

> of his

> > > fondness of sex due to planetary configuration. Why the appeal might

> not

> > > succeed you will know in the other answers that follow.

> > >

> > > 4. Yes remedial measures can easily get him out of Jail and improve

> is

> > > thought processes, though he has to go through judicial process till

> Saturn

> > > Dasa is over, I being a Bania cannot suggest you any methods. You

> should

> > > consult a very good and learned astrologer for this. His chart is

> very

> > > strong otherwise.

> > >

> > > From Astrological point of view:

> > >

> > > 1. I already have explaiined your first question.

> > >

> > > 2. Presence of Saturn which governs hardships, punishments and jail

> terms

> > > is in the house of sukha i.e comforts and home with Mars is

> indicative of

> > > his house comforts be ruined till Saturn Dasa is operative.

> > >

> > > 3. Already explained this earlier.

> > >

> > > 4. Yes there are bright chances of him having foeced sex relations

> with

> > > women of lower cast in his house around the age of 10-16 years.

> > >

> > > You should with the help of astrology do you best for this person.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Vikas

> > >

> > >

> > > subba_appa subba_appa@ <subba_appa%40.sg>

> > > vedic astrology@ <vedic astrology%40e>

> > > Thursday, 7 June, 2007 9:58:20 Anks

> > >

> > > [vedic astrology] Innocent person or a dangerous

> psychopath?

> > > Please help analyze.e

> > >

> > > Respected learned astrologers:

> > >

> > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> processes

> > > has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > >

> > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

> couple

> > > of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > > supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> > > molester.

> > >

> > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> > > from lagna).

> > >

> > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions,

> he

> > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

> and

> > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

> nature,

> > > as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> > > prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer

> also

> > > finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case

> has

> > > reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and

> it

> > > would be a danger to society if he was released.

> > >

> > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

> though

> > > the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful

> in

> > > view of the psychiatrist opinion.

> > >

> > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

> kesari

> > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> > > chart.

> > >

> > > Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

> > >

> > > Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

> > >

> > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> > > justice possible?

> > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> > > affairs?

> > >

> > > From an astrological standpoint:

> > >

> > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > > behavior?

> > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

> of

> > > circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

> he

> > > was a child? How does one see that?

> > >

> > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> > > detailed comprehensive response.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Swati,

I am elabrating the same below in detail.

 

Combinations of Madness in this horoscope

=========================================

How many combinations indicating madness (psychic problem) are

present in this horoscope? Let us try to answer this question in the

conventional manner. But before proceeding to the same, I would like

to attract your attention to a sloka bit that is in popular use in

South India that is used while deriving predictions based on combinations.

The slokas that provide results for Drishi is numerous and therefore

it is difficult to remember them all. But the slokas used to derive

results based on Yuti is comparatively less in number, and therefore

easy to remember. But the fact remains that both in Drishi and Yuti of

planets, it is the mixing of significance that occurs. Due to this the

an easy solution to derive results would be to consider the general

advice-

Yuthya drishi phalam vachyam

Drishtrya Yuti phalam tatha

[For Yuti (conjunction) tell the results for Drishti (aspect) also,

and for Drishti (aspect) tell the results for Yuti (conjunction) also]

Application of this sloka makes the derivation of results easier.

Now let us look at the combinations that can cause Unmada (Madness;

psychic problem) as given by Prasnamarga (Ch. 12, sloka 31, 32). In

that sloka 8 combinations are given that can indicate madness.

1) While Ju in Lagna if Sa is in 7th it indicates madness.

2) While Ju in Lagna if Ma is in 7th it indicates madness.

3) While Sa is in Lagna, if Ma is in any of 7-5-9 houses the

combination indicates madness

4) If combust Mo or Me is in Lagna the combination indicates madness.

5) If Weak Mo or Sa in 12th the combination indicates madness.

6) If weak Mo with a malefic is placed in any of the houses 1-8-5-9

then the combination indicates madness

7) If Mandi with a malefic is placed in 7th the combination indicates

madness.

8) If Me is placed in any of the houses 3-6-8-12 the combination

indicates madness.

Apart from there other combinations as well that can indicate madness-

9) If Ju placed in 5th is afflicted by strong malifics the combination

indicates madness.

Presence of more than one of these combination in the natal chart

indicate that the native will become mad in the corresponding

Dasa-Antara indicated by the planet causing madness.

With this knowledge, let us look at the above horoscope and see

whether the horoscope indicates madness.

 

1) Combination – 1: Consider the same from Moon Lagna (Libra).

Ju is in Moon Lagna in Libra satisfying the first condition given for

the above combination. Neither Ma is not in 7th from Libra. But Ma

aspects 7th with its special aspect on 8th. Further a malefic Su is

present in 7th as well. Thus the conditions put forward by the sloka

is met, even though not based on Yuti but partially based on aspect.

This is 2nd yoga indicating Madness in the above horoscope.

2) Combination no –2

In the above horoscope, Ju in not in Lagna but aspect Lagna with its

special aspect on 9th. Thus it is equivalent to Ju in Lagna. Ma is not

present in 7th but Ma aspects 7th with its special aspect on 4th. This

is equivalent to Ma in 7th. Thus the conditions put forward by the

sloka is met, even though not based on Yuti but based on aspect. Thus

this combination indicates madness in the above horoscope.

3) Combination –3

Sa is not in Lagna, but Lagna is aspected by Sa, which can be treated

as equivalent to Sa in Lagna. Thus half of the condition is fulfilled.

Ma is not in 7-5-9. But the navamsa of Ma falls in the 9th house from

Lagna. Thus the combination can be considered as fulfilled. This is

another combination indicating madness in the above horoscope.

4) Combination – 5: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna (Libra)

Weak Sa (Saturn not aspected by Me or Ju, with not much strength due

to placement) is placed in 12th from Moon Lagna. Thus the combination

is fulfilled. Thus it indicates madness.

5) Combination –6

Mo is placed in 5th as required by the sloka. But the Moon is not weak

(having Pakshabala). But note that Moon is held between the strong

malifics Ma-Sa in 12th from Libra, and Ke in 3rd from Libra. Further

the 2nd house from Moon is aspected by Sa in 12th making this

Papamadyasthiti (placed between malifics) condition stronger. Note

that especially for significators (Moon is the significator of mind)

hemmed between malifics is considered as destructive, which is true in

this case. This has got a double impact since Ju (Significator of

intelligence, and significator of 5th house) is also placed with Mo.

Any affliction that may happen to Moon is going to cause double impact

in this situation. Thus it should be considered that the combination

indicated by the sloka as fulfilled. Further note that Ke and Su

navamsa is in Libra, which indicates eclipse of Moon (conjunction of

Ke or Ra with Mo is considered as eclipse making Moon weak). Thus for

sure it indicates madness.

6) Combination – 8

Me is placed in 12th from Lagna. Thus the combination is satisfied,

and it indicates madness.

7) Combination – 8: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna (Libra)

Me is placed in 8th house from Moon Lagna. Thus the combination is

satisfied, and it indicates madness.

8) Combination –9

Ju is placed in 5th – being the significator of 5th and the

significator of intelligence, any affliction to the same can have

double impact, and cause madness. Note that Ju is aspected by a

malefic Su. But more than this the point to be noted is that Ju is

hemmed between two strong malifics Sa-Ma in 12th house from Libra, and

the aspect of Sa in 2nd house from Libra. (Sa aspects Scorpio with

its special aspect on 3rd). Further in the 3rd house from Libra also

we can find only a malefic that is Ke. Note only that Ke and Su

navamsa also falls in Libra, making the affliction strong.

Thus in all, following the combinations for madness given in texts we

could find at least 8 combinations in the horoscope that fulfills the

condition of madness. This is more than enough to prove by " Dwi tri

samvada bhaval " (If 2 or more combinations indicate the same, that

result will actulize for sure) that madness will happen. Out of these

the combinations that attracted my attention most are –

• The placement of afflicted Mo-Ju hemmed between malifics in 5th

(with the sign lord Ve gone to 6th from 5th house and its debilitated

navamsa falling in 12th from 5th)

• Sa-Ma in 4th from Lagna and 12th from Moon sign supporting many

combinations.

That is why I went for Ju Dasa Mo Antra, and Sa Dasa Ma Antra, which

happened to be the probable period of action for these madness

combinations, indicated by the natal chart. Thus the conclusion, no

doubt, the native is a psychopath.

 

Sexual Urge

===========

When a person is mad his strongest inner urges become manifest, which

in chart happen to be sexual urges as indicated by –

• Exalted Ve

• Ve aspected by Ma (Para yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

• 7th lord Jupiter's navamsa falling in 7th itself.

• Ve navamsa falling in the same sign as where Ma is placed (Para

yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

• From Moon Ve in 6th aspected by Mars (Interest in Prostitution)

Thus the conclusion, this person surely committed those sexual crimes

charged against him, in an insane manner, and is a psychopath. It is

better not to mix up his life success in profession with this negative

trend and weakness in his character.

 

Professional Success

====================

This person is a professional success as indicated by-

• 10th lord in 5th (Kendra-Trikona)

• Exalted Ve in 10th

• 10th lord's navamsa falling in its own house Sagittarius.

• Significator of 10th Saturn and Mars aspecting 10th house

• Significator of 10th Su exalted in 11th house

And so on.

 

Argala

======

Since we were discussing Argala let us have a look at this chart in

that point of view as well. Note that 4th and 5th house have

unobstructed Argala providing positive results for the native for his

success, even though the same might have caused destruction to the

world around him.

• Ma –Sa in 4th cause Argala: Ve in 10th and Su in 11th (8th from 4th)

obstruct this, but the obstruction is not strong enough (not

obstructed by equal number of planets).

• Ju-Mo in 5th cause Argala: In 9th no planet is present to obstruct

this. In 12th (8th from 5th) Me is present, but the obstruction is not

strong enough.

Thus these combinations in 4th and 5th has really helped the native in

attaining success. It is only the imprisonment indicated by Sa that

devoid him of this complete success and put him in jail for long. If

not, uncaught he would have enjoyed the privileges, causing

destruction and loss to many. Also note that the Argala yoga in 10th

house (indicating professional success) caused by Ve is completely

obstructed by Sa-Ma in 4th. Thus his own madness and crimes will put

an end to his own professional success, tells the horoscope.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " healing spaces "

<healingspaces wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

> Dear Sreenadhji,

> Please elaborate on why u consider jupiter and moon to be unmada

yoga. i see

> the 5th house of chit and mantrabhva , and jupiter moon as benefic

planets ,

> why would they cause unmada. ?

>

> * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

> (indicating a psychological patient),

> Nirvanika

> Namah shivaya

>

>

> On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> >

> > BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

> > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

> > Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

> >

> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> > Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> > Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> > Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> > Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> > Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> > Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> >

> > Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagma

> > sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birth

> > time is correct.

> > Primary Analysis

> > ================

> > * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in

> > Navamsa.

> > * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

> > (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.

> > (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

> > * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from the

> > sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on

> > 11th from lagna)

> > * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a

> > fallen (immoral) individual.

> > * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, he

> > would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like an

> > over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

> > * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoral

> > poor family, the native attained life success because of his unique

> > abilities and successful profession.

> > * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

> > from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate the

> > same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

> > Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession related

> > to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

> > similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

> > success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

> > luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in profession

> > during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25

> > years of age now)

> > * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspected

> > by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate the

> > same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate

> > madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

> > problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). No

> > doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasa

> > from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari dasa

> > from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

> > should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

> > native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible to

> > the world in this period.

> > * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicate

> > a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence for

> > long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

> > * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not

> > help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.

> > * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would be

> > destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of

> > the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trend

> > will be followed throughout his life.

> > * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,

> > turbulences and occasional madness.

> > * The native will again become famous, well known and successful only

> > at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same profession

> > and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

> > Remark:

> > =======

> > This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligence

> > and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

> > sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

> > will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

> > late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

> > futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

> >

> > Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

> > combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.

> > Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> > --- In

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com>,

> > Panditji

> > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and

> > shani.

> > > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

> > aspected by

> > > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sex

> > drive. 4

> > > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and

ravi are

> > > debilited in navansha.

> > >

> > > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra to

> > suggest

> > > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

> > negative I can

> > > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is

strong.

> > >

> > > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive.

Mangal and

> > > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Learned astrologers:

> > > >

> > > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws

are very

> > > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> > processes has

> > > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > > >

> > > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

> > couple of

> > > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly

> > > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> > > >

> > > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

> > (started from

> > > > lagna).

> > > >

> > > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

> > interactions, he

> > > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

> > communication and

> > > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

> > nature, as

> > > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> > prison can

> > > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

finds him

> > > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> > reported

> > > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> > would be a

> > > > danger to society if he was released.

> > > >

> > > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

> > though the

> > > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> > view of

> > > > the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > >

> > > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

> > kesari

> > > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> > chart.

> > > >

> > > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> > > >

> > > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

crimes?

> > > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage

> > of justice

> > > > possible?

> > > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

> > appeal

> > > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the

state of

> > > > affairs?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > > > behavior?

> > > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

> > term?

> > > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

> > > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

> > > > he was a child? How does one see that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a

very

> > > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

> > more detailed

> > > > comprehensive response.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

 

Dear Swati,

I am elabrating the same below in detail.

 

Combinations of Madness in this horoscope

=========================================

How many combinations indicating madness (psychic problem) are

present in this horoscope? Let us try to answer this question in the

conventional manner. But before proceeding to the same, I would like

to attract your attention to a sloka bit that is in popular use in

South India that is used while deriving predictions based on combinations.

The slokas that provide results for Drishi is numerous and therefore

it is difficult to remember them all. But the slokas used to derive

results based on Yuti is comparatively less in number, and therefore

easy to remember. But the fact remains that both in Drishi and Yuti of

planets, it is the mixing of significance that occurs. Due to this the

an easy solution to derive results would be to consider the general

advice-

Yuthya drishi phalam vachyam

Drishtrya Yuti phalam tatha

[For Yuti (conjunction) tell the results for Drishti (aspect) also,

and for Drishti (aspect) tell the results for Yuti (conjunction) also]

Application of this sloka makes the derivation of results easier.

Now let us look at the combinations that can cause Unmada (Madness;

psychic problem) as given by Prasnamarga (Ch. 12, sloka 31, 32). In

that sloka 8 combinations are given that can indicate madness.

1) While Ju in Lagna if Sa is in 7th it indicates madness.

2) While Ju in Lagna if Ma is in 7th it indicates madness.

3) While Sa is in Lagna, if Ma is in any of 7-5-9 houses the

combination indicates madness

4) If combust Mo or Me is in Lagna the combination indicates madness.

5) If Weak Mo or Sa in 12th the combination indicates madness.

6) If weak Mo with a malefic is placed in any of the houses 1-8-5-9

then the combination indicates madness

7) If Mandi with a malefic is placed in 7th the combination indicates

madness.

8) If Me is placed in any of the houses 3-6-8-12 the combination

indicates madness.

Apart from there other combinations as well that can indicate madness-

9) If Ju placed in 5th is afflicted by strong malifics the combination

indicates madness.

Presence of more than one of these combination in the natal chart

indicate that the native will become mad in the corresponding

Dasa-Antara indicated by the planet causing madness.

With this knowledge, let us look at the above horoscope and see

whether the horoscope indicates madness.

 

1) Combination – 1: Consider the same from Moon Lagna (Libra).

Ju is in Moon Lagna in Libra satisfying the first condition given for

the above combination. Neither Ma is not in 7th from Libra. But Ma

aspects 7th with its special aspect on 8th. Further a malefic Su is

present in 7th as well. Thus the conditions put forward by the sloka

is met, even though not based on Yuti but partially based on aspect.

This is 2nd yoga indicating Madness in the above horoscope.

2) Combination no –2

In the above horoscope, Ju in not in Lagna but aspect Lagna with its

special aspect on 9th. Thus it is equivalent to Ju in Lagna. Ma is not

present in 7th but Ma aspects 7th with its special aspect on 4th. This

is equivalent to Ma in 7th. Thus the conditions put forward by the

sloka is met, even though not based on Yuti but based on aspect. Thus

this combination indicates madness in the above horoscope.

3) Combination –3

Sa is not in Lagna, but Lagna is aspected by Sa, which can be treated

as equivalent to Sa in Lagna. Thus half of the condition is fulfilled.

Ma is not in 7-5-9. But the navamsa of Ma falls in the 9th house from

Lagna. Thus the combination can be considered as fulfilled. This is

another combination indicating madness in the above horoscope.

4) Combination – 5: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna (Libra)

Weak Sa (Saturn not aspected by Me or Ju, with not much strength due

to placement) is placed in 12th from Moon Lagna. Thus the combination

is fulfilled. Thus it indicates madness.

5) Combination –6

Mo is placed in 5th as required by the sloka. But the Moon is not weak

(having Pakshabala). But note that Moon is held between the strong

malifics Ma-Sa in 12th from Libra, and Ke in 3rd from Libra. Further

the 2nd house from Moon is aspected by Sa in 12th making this

Papamadyasthiti (placed between malifics) condition stronger. Note

that especially for significators (Moon is the significator of mind)

hemmed between malifics is considered as destructive, which is true in

this case. This has got a double impact since Ju (Significator of

intelligence, and significator of 5th house) is also placed with Mo.

Any affliction that may happen to Moon is going to cause double impact

in this situation. Thus it should be considered that the combination

indicated by the sloka as fulfilled. Further note that Ke and Su

navamsa is in Libra, which indicates eclipse of Moon (conjunction of

Ke or Ra with Mo is considered as eclipse making Moon weak). Thus for

sure it indicates madness.

6) Combination – 8

Me is placed in 12th from Lagna. Thus the combination is satisfied,

and it indicates madness.

7) Combination – 8: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna (Libra)

Me is placed in 8th house from Moon Lagna. Thus the combination is

satisfied, and it indicates madness.

8) Combination –9

Ju is placed in 5th – being the significator of 5th and the

significator of intelligence, any affliction to the same can have

double impact, and cause madness. Note that Ju is aspected by a

malefic Su. But more than this the point to be noted is that Ju is

hemmed between two strong malifics Sa-Ma in 12th house from Libra, and

the aspect of Sa in 2nd house from Libra. (Sa aspects Scorpio with

its special aspect on 3rd). Further in the 3rd house from Libra also

we can find only a malefic that is Ke. Note only that Ke and Su

navamsa also falls in Libra, making the affliction strong.

Thus in all, following the combinations for madness given in texts we

could find at least 8 combinations in the horoscope that fulfills the

condition of madness. This is more than enough to prove by " Dwi tri

samvada bhaval " (If 2 or more combinations indicate the same, that

result will actulize for sure) that madness will happen. Out of these

the combinations that attracted my attention most are –

• The placement of afflicted Mo-Ju hemmed between malifics in 5th

(with the sign lord Ve gone to 6th from 5th house and its debilitated

navamsa falling in 12th from 5th)

• Sa-Ma in 4th from Lagna and 12th from Moon sign supporting many

combinations.

That is why I went for Ju Dasa Mo Antra, and Sa Dasa Ma Antra, which

happened to be the probable period of action for these madness

combinations, indicated by the natal chart. Thus the conclusion, no

doubt, the native is a psychopath.

 

Sexual Urge

===========

When a person is mad his strongest inner urges become manifest, which

in chart happen to be sexual urges as indicated by –

• Exalted Ve

• Ve aspected by Ma (Para yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

• 7th lord Jupiter's navamsa falling in 7th itself.

• Ve navamsa falling in the same sign as where Ma is placed (Para

yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

• From Moon Ve in 6th aspected by Mars (Interest in Prostitution)

Thus the conclusion, this person surely committed those sexual crimes

charged against him, in an insane manner, and is a psychopath. It is

better not to mix up his life success in profession with this negative

trend and weakness in his character.

 

Professional Success

====================

This person is a professional success as indicated by-

• 10th lord in 5th (Kendra-Trikona)

• Exalted Ve in 10th

• 10th lord's navamsa falling in its own house Sagittarius.

• Significator of 10th Saturn and Mars aspecting 10th house

• Significator of 10th Su exalted in 11th house

And so on.

 

Argala

======

Since we were discussing Argala let us have a look at this chart in

that point of view as well. Note that 4th and 5th house have

unobstructed Argala providing positive results for the native for his

success, even though the same might have caused destruction to the

world around him.

• Ma –Sa in 4th cause Argala: Ve in 10th and Su in 11th (8th from 4th)

obstruct this, but the obstruction is not strong enough (not

obstructed by equal number of planets).

• Ju-Mo in 5th cause Argala: In 9th no planet is present to obstruct

this. In 12th (8th from 5th) Me is present, but the obstruction is not

strong enough.

Thus these combinations in 4th and 5th has really helped the native in

attaining success. It is only the imprisonment indicated by Sa that

devoid him of this complete success and put him in jail for long. If

not, uncaught he would have enjoyed the privileges, causing

destruction and loss to many. Also note that the Argala yoga in 10th

house (indicating professional success) caused by Ve is completely

obstructed by Sa-Ma in 4th. Thus his own madness and crimes will put

an end to his own professional success, tells the horoscope.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " healing spaces "

<healingspaces@> wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

> Dear Sreenadhji,

> Please elaborate on why u consider jupiter and moon to be unmada

yoga. i see

> the 5th house of chit and mantrabhva , and jupiter moon as benefic

planets ,

> why would they cause unmada. ?

>

> * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

> (indicating a psychological patient),

> Nirvanika

> Namah shivaya

>

>

> On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

> > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

> > Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

> >

> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> > Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> > Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> > Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> > Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> > Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> > Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> >

> > Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagma

> > sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birth

> > time is correct.

> > Primary Analysis

> > ================

> > * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in

> > Navamsa.

> > * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

> > (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.

> > (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

> > * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from the

> > sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on

> > 11th from lagna)

> > * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a

> > fallen (immoral) individual.

> > * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, he

> > would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like an

> > over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

> > * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoral

> > poor family, the native attained life success because of his unique

> > abilities and successful profession.

> > * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

> > from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate the

> > same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

> > Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession related

> > to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

> > similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

> > success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

> > luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in profession

> > during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25

> > years of age now)

> > * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspected

> > by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate the

> > same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate

> > madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

> > problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). No

> > doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasa

> > from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari dasa

> > from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

> > should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

> > native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible to

> > the world in this period.

> > * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicate

> > a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence for

> > long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

> > * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not

> > help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.

> > * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would be

> > destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of

> > the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trend

> > will be followed throughout his life.

> > * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,

> > turbulences and occasional madness.

> > * The native will again become famous, well known and successful only

> > at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same profession

> > and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

> > Remark:

> > =======

> > This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligence

> > and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

> > sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

> > will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

> > late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

> > futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

> >

> > Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

> > combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.

> > Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> > --- In

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com>,

> > Panditji

> > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and

> > shani.

> > > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

> > aspected by

> > > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sex

> > drive. 4

> > > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and

ravi are

> > > debilited in navansha.

> > >

> > > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra to

> > suggest

> > > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

> > negative I can

> > > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is

strong.

> > >

> > > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive.

Mangal and

> > > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Learned astrologers:

> > > >

> > > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws

are very

> > > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> > processes has

> > > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > > >

> > > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

> > couple of

> > > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly

> > > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> > > >

> > > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

> > (started from

> > > > lagna).

> > > >

> > > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

> > interactions, he

> > > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

> > communication and

> > > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

> > nature, as

> > > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> > prison can

> > > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

finds him

> > > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> > reported

> > > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> > would be a

> > > > danger to society if he was released.

> > > >

> > > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

> > though the

> > > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> > view of

> > > > the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > >

> > > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

> > kesari

> > > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> > chart.

> > > >

> > > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> > > >

> > > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

crimes?

> > > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage

> > of justice

> > > > possible?

> > > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

> > appeal

> > > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the

state of

> > > > affairs?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > > > behavior?

> > > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

> > term?

> > > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

> > > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

> > > > he was a child? How does one see that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a

very

> > > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

> > more detailed

> > > > comprehensive response.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

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Dear Sreenadh, Good and systematic. Good because systematic. Will surely chip in my two penny worth of analysis soon. Am taking a copy of the version of the chart you provide. More soon, RK Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than

Lahari)Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna yearBody Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73" Puna 2 Ge TaSun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04" Bhar 3 Ar LiMoon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35" Swat 2 Li CpMars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66" UPha 3 Vi AqMercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54" Rohi 1 Ta ArJupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98" Swat 1 Li SgVenus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44" UBha 2 Pi ViSaturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63" Hast 4 Vi CnRahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94" Puna 1 Ge ArKetu 22 Sg 07' 45.94" PSha 3 Sg LiGulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56" Rohi 3 Ta GeKunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36" Puna 2 Ge TaRectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagmasputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birthtime is correct. Primary Analysis================* Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated inNavamsa. * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo

providing a powerful unmade yoga(indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.(As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa) * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from thesign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on11th from lagna)* 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating afallen (immoral) individual.* As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, hewould be a successful individual in his early years of life, like anover voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)* As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoralpoor family, the native attained life success because of his uniqueabilities and successful profession.* Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have incomefrom women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate thesame. Navamsa of

10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) fromLagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession relatedto cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related tosimilar things. The native should have attained all kinds of lifesuccess such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possibleluxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in professionduring his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25years of age now) * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspectedby Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate thesame. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicatemadness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychicproblem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). Nodoubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasafrom Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per

Vimsottari dasafrom Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madnessshould be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. Thenative's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible tothe world in this period. * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicatea combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence forlong, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years. * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can nothelp in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.* Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would bedestructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success ofthe native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trendwill be followed throughout his life.* The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,turbulences and occasional madness.*

The native will again become famous, well known and successful onlyat the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same professionand will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.Remark:=======This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligenceand professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prisonsentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and hewill come back to popularity and professional success again in thelate years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence isfutile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many uniquecombinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same. Love,Sreenadh , Panditji<navagraha wrote:>> Namaste,> > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu andshani.> Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and isaspected by> shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sexdrive. 4> malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and ravi are> debilited in navansha.> > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra tosuggest> mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the onlynegative I can> say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is strong.> > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive. Mangal and> shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.>

> ...> > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer wrote:> >> > Hello Learned astrologers:> >> > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very> > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legalprocesses has> > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.> >> > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting acouple of> > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes weresupposedly> > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.> >> > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years> > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa(started from> > lagna).> >> > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all myinteractions, he> > comes across

as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming> > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in hiscommunication and> > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherentnature, as> > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time inprison can> > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also finds him> > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case hasreported> > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and itwould be a> > danger to society if he was released.> >> > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,though the> > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful inview of> > the psychiatrist opinion.> >> > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the> > authorities,

the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gajakesari> > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a goodchart.> >> > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *> >> > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*> >> > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?> > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence> > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriageof justice> > possible?> > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that theappeal> > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.> > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of> > affairs?> >> >> >> > *From an astrological standpoint:*> >> >

1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual> > behavior?> > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prisonterm?> > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim> > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?> > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when> > he was a child? How does one see that?> >> >> > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very> > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give amore detailed> > comprehensive response.> >> > Thanks> >> > > >>

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Thanks Sreenadh ji for your detailed analysis. You seem to have answered

all the queries in your comprehensive analysis.

 

You are also right when you said that all the events happened during the

Sa/Ma period (VD from lagna).

 

The only thing that I would like to highlight is that he is not mad.

Madness is a common term to describe many different things -- like

mental retardation, crazy, psychological disorientation etc. From my

interaction with him, he does not fall in that category, except that his

communication seems incoherent sometimes. But on the issue of charges,

he is completely consistent and denies all the charges.

 

Now, he has committed sexual violence, rape and assault. Clearly

violence was in his mind, and that does not fall in the category of

madness.

 

Is an appeal likely to be successful? This is an important question

because it involves lots of efforts and time.

 

Thanks again

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

> Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

> Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

> Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

> Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

>

> Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagma

> sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birth

> time is correct.

> Primary Analysis

> ================

> * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in

> Navamsa.

> * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

> (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.

> (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

> * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from the

> sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on

> 11th from lagna)

> * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a

> fallen (immoral) individual.

> * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, he

> would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like an

> over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

> * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoral

> poor family, the native attained life success because of his unique

> abilities and successful profession.

> * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

> from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate the

> same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

> Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession related

> to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

> similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

> success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

> luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in profession

> during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25

> years of age now)

> * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th

aspected

> by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate the

> same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate

> madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

> problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). No

> doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasa

> from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari

dasa

> from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

> should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

> native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible to

> the world in this period.

> * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicate

> a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence for

> long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

> * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not

> help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.

> * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would be

> destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of

> the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trend

> will be followed throughout his life.

> * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,

> turbulences and occasional madness.

> * The native will again become famous, well known and successful only

> at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same profession

> and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

> Remark:

> =======

> This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligence

> and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

> sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

> will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

> late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

> futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

>

> Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

> combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.

> Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

> , Panditji

> navagraha@ wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and

> shani.

> > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

> aspected by

> > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sex

> drive. 4

> > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and ravi

are

> > debilited in navansha.

> >

> > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra to

> suggest

> > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

> negative I can

> > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is

strong.

> >

> > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive. Mangal

and

> > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

> >

> > ...

> >

> >

> > On 6/7/07, subba_appa subba.iyer@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Learned astrologers:

> > >

> > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are

very

> > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> processes has

> > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > >

> > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

> couple of

> > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> supposedly

> > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> > >

> > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

> (started from

> > > lagna).

> > >

> > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

> interactions, he

> > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

> communication and

> > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

> nature, as

> > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> prison can

> > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also finds

him

> > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> reported

> > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> would be a

> > > danger to society if he was released.

> > >

> > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

> though the

> > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> view of

> > > the psychiatrist opinion.

> > >

> > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

> kesari

> > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> chart.

> > >

> > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> > >

> > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> > >

> > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

crimes?

> > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his

defence

> > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage

> of justice

> > > possible?

> > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

> appeal

> > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the

state of

> > > affairs?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> > >

> > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > > behavior?

> > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

> term?

> > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a

victim

> > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself

when

> > > he was a child? How does one see that?

> > >

> > >

> > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a

very

> > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

> more detailed

> > > comprehensive response.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Subba Appa,

 

His ascendent is Mercury, which is a planet of communications and public

dealing. This is what is making him like that. Being in 12th house and aspected

by MArs and Saturn it puts itself in wicked deeds and make himself use it to

protoect himself of his deeds. Also presence of Rahu and Gulika in ascendent is

a additive to his misbehaviour with women..

 

Vikas Goyal

 

 

 

 

subba_appa <subba_appa

vedic astrology

Saturday, 9 June, 2007 9:50:54 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath? Please

help analyze.

 

 

Dear Vikasji:

 

Thanks for your detailed and honest analysis. Well, his fondness of sex

is what has caused him to commit crimes. He is supposedly to have raped

a 22 year old woman, molested a few school girls and then assaulted a

woman in mid 30s. In each case, it seems he has planned the event well.

If this is not a criminal mind, wonder what it is..!

 

But he is so articulate in communicating his honesty that it leaves many

people including me bewildered.

 

vedic astrology, Vikas Goyal <vikaslaxmi@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Subba Appa,

>

> The case you have at hand is the case of a destiny to be fulfilled.

>

> Answers from practical point of view:

>

> 1. Yes there are chances that he might have commited these deeds as

Jupiter is in house of Exalted Venus with Moon. Moon the karaka of

emotions and thinking is in enemies house with Jupiter which is also

enimical to venus. Venus being karka of woman and sex in a male

horoscope gives this person a highly sexed up nature but as his house is

afflicted with two enemy planets there comes a perverted view towards

women, like venus wants him to have lots of sex with many woman but

jupiter wants not to. Moon compells emotionally and thus a confused

approach. Now this has happened in 5th house. This house is also known

to be the house which signifies the fruits that a person gets in this

life due to deeds of past life. Though view about sex and the things I

told about earlier are just above normal and not a sin.

>

> 2. Being Gemini ascendent makes him intelligent and thus he is now

trying to protect himself by blaming others and not that Justice as you

call so is micarried.

>

> 3. Apart from sex life he is a very intelligent and a very noble

person. He has got Jupiter in 5th house Lagna and First house in Moon

Chart. A little affliction in mind is possible as Moon is in the house

of enemy and nakshatra of Rahu. A appeal isnt likely to suceed though I

donot give you advice not to go ahead as the person is not a criminal

but a victim of his fondness of sex due to planetary configuration. Why

the appeal might not succeed you will know in the other answers that

follow.

>

> 4. Yes remedial measures can easily get him out of Jail and improve

is thought processes, though he has to go through judicial process till

Saturn Dasa is over, I being a Bania cannot suggest you any methods. You

should consult a very good and learned astrologer for this. His chart is

very strong otherwise.

>

>

> From Astrological point of view:

>

> 1. I already have explaiined your first question.

>

> 2. Presence of Saturn which governs hardships, punishments and jail

terms is in the house of sukha i.e comforts and home with Mars is

indicative of his house comforts be ruined till Saturn Dasa is

operative.

>

> 3. Already explained this earlier.

>

> 4. Yes there are bright chances of him having foeced sex relations

with women of lower cast in his house around the age of 10-16 years.

>

> You should with the help of astrology do you best for this person.

>

> Thanks

>

> Vikas

>

> subba_appa subba_appa@. ..

> vedic astrology@ ...

> Thursday, 7 June, 2007 9:58:20 Anks

>

> [vedic astrology] Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath?

Please help analyze.e

>

> Respected learned astrologers:

>

> The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

processes

> has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

>

> The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple

> of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> molester.

>

> He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> from lagna).

>

> I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions,

he

> comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

and

> interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature,

> as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

> finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case

has

> reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> would be a danger to society if he was released.

>

> The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though

> the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> view of the psychiatrist opinion.

>

> His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari

> yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> chart.

>

> Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

>

> Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

>

> 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> justice possible?

> 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> affairs?

>

> From an astrological standpoint:

>

> 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> behavior?

> 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of

> circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he

> was a child? How does one see that?

>

> Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> detailed comprehensive response.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sreenadhji,

 

Read your writeup on jaimini. Exellent work.

 

On this paticular chart, could you please elaborate on the bandhan yoga in the chart.

 

Also why would chadra - guru yoga in a kona be the one causing madness ? Why would guru-chandra dasha trigger these activities.

 

Thanks

 

....

On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge TaSun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar LiMoon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li CpMars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi AqMercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta ArJupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li SgVenus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi ViSaturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi CnRahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge ArKetu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg LiGulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta GeKunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagmasputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birthtime is correct. Primary Analysis================* Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in

Navamsa. * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga(indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.(As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa) * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from thesign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on11th from lagna)* 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a

fallen (immoral) individual.* As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, hewould be a successful individual in his early years of life, like anover voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

* As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoralpoor family, the native attained life success because of his uniqueabilities and successful profession.* Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate thesame. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) fromLagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession relatedto cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of lifesuccess such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possibleluxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in professionduring his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25

years of age now) * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspectedby Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate thesame. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate

madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychicproblem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). Nodoubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasafrom Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari dasa

from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madnessshould be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. Thenative's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible tothe world in this period. * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicatea combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence forlong, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years. * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not

help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.* Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would bedestructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of

the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trendwill be followed throughout his life.* The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,turbulences and occasional madness.

* The native will again become famous, well known and successful onlyat the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same professionand will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.Remark:

=======This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligenceand professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prisonsentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

will come back to popularity and professional success again in thelate years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence isfutile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same. Love,Sreenadh

, Panditji<navagraha wrote:>> Namaste,> > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu andshani.

> Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and isaspected by> shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sexdrive. 4> malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and ravi are

> debilited in navansha.> > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra tosuggest> mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the onlynegative I can> say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is strong.

> > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive. Mangal and> shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.> > ...> >

> On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer wrote:> >> > Hello Learned astrologers:> >> > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legalprocesses has> > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.> >> > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

couple of> > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes weresupposedly> > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.> >> > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa(started from> > lagna).> >> > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all myinteractions, he> > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in hiscommunication and> > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherentnature, as> > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

prison can> > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also finds him> > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case hasreported> > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

would be a> > danger to society if he was released.> >> > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,though the> > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

view of> > the psychiatrist opinion.> >> > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the> > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari> > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a goodchart.> >> > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *> >> > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> >> > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?> > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence> > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage

of justice> > possible?> > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that theappeal> > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of> > affairs?> >> >> >> > *From an astrological standpoint:*> >> > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > behavior?> > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prisonterm?> > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim> > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when> > he was a child? How does one see that?> >> >> > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give amore detailed> > comprehensive response.> >> > Thanks> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

I dont get this point. For gemini ascendent, Saturn is the 9th lord more than 8th lord. Why he will go to prison for whole saturn dasa ? If this horoscope would have been given to you saying that this is the horoscope of a famous person then probably you would have found out many good yogas in that and could have justified that why the person is famous, rich and successful. Amitabh Bacchan has Saturn in 4th house aspecting lagna. Rahu Ketu is in 1/7 axis. 9th lord venus is debiliated in 8th house. Rahu (or Ketu) is aspecting moon in 9th house. 6th lord is in 9th house - complete blockage of bhagaya. It looks like to me that he must be having some psychological problems, isnt it ? If one rule is not applicable in all the horoscope then the rule is waste thanks Jagdish Panditji <navagraha wrote: Namaste Sreenadhji, Read your writeup on jaimini. Exellent work. On this paticular chart, could you please elaborate on the bandhan yoga in the chart. Also why would chadra - guru yoga in a kona be the one causing madness ? Why would guru-chandra dasha trigger these activities. Thanks ... On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73" Puna 2 Ge TaSun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04" Bhar 3 Ar LiMoon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35" Swat 2 Li CpMars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66" UPha 3 Vi AqMercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54" Rohi 1 Ta ArJupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98" Swat 1 Li SgVenus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44"

UBha 2 Pi ViSaturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63" Hast 4 Vi CnRahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94" Puna 1 Ge ArKetu 22 Sg 07' 45.94" PSha 3 Sg LiGulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56" Rohi 3 Ta GeKunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36" Puna 2 Ge TaRectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagmasputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birthtime is correct. Primary Analysis================* Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in Navamsa. * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga(indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.(As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa) * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from thesign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on11th from lagna)* 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a fallen

(immoral) individual.* As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, hewould be a successful individual in his early years of life, like anover voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence) * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoralpoor family, the native attained life success because of his uniqueabilities and successful profession.* Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate thesame. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) fromLagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession relatedto cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of lifesuccess such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possibleluxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in professionduring his

20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25 years of age now) * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspectedby Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate thesame. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychicproblem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). Nodoubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasafrom Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari dasa from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madnessshould be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. Thenative's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible tothe world in this period. * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicatea combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence forlong,

possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years. * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.* Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would bedestructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success ofthe native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trendwill be followed throughout his life.* The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,turbulences and occasional madness. * The native will again become famous, well known and successful onlyat the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same professionand will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.Remark: =======This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligenceand professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prisonsentence for 19 years for sure. His

would be a unique life, and he will come back to popularity and professional success again in thelate years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence isfutile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same. Love,Sreenadh , Panditji<navagraha wrote:>> Namaste,> > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu andshani. > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and isaspected by> shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sexdrive. 4> malefics are

in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and ravi are > debilited in navansha.> > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra tosuggest> mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the onlynegative I can> say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is strong. > > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive. Mangal and> shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.> > ...> > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer wrote:> >> > Hello Learned astrologers:> >> > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legalprocesses has> > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.> >> > The

native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple of> > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes weresupposedly> > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.> >> > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa(started from> > lagna).> >> > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all myinteractions, he> > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in hiscommunication and> > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherentnature, as> > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in prison can> > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also finds him>

> intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case hasreported> > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it would be a> > danger to society if he was released.> >> > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,though the> > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in view of> > the psychiatrist opinion.> >> > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the> > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja kesari> > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a goodchart.> >> > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *> >> > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:* > >> > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such

serious crimes?> > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence> > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of justice> > possible?> > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that theappeal> > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion. > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of> > affairs?> >> >> >> > *From an astrological standpoint:*> >> > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual > > behavior?> > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prisonterm?> > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim> > of circumstances? How does that one judge that? > > 4. Is

there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when> > he was a child? How does one see that?> >> >> > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give amore detailed> > comprehensive response.> >> > Thanks> >> > > >>

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Dear Subba ji,

Yes, probably madness is a wrong term to use; I too think

that " psychological disorder " or " psychic problem " is a better term.

 

==>

> Is an appeal likely to be successful? This is an important question

> because it involves lots of efforts and time.

<==

The answer is 'No' - the detailed astrological reasons for it I will

discuss in another mail.

 

P.S.: This chart I would like to discuss in detail for some time

(possibly for 1 week, as time permits, in detail, in the forum), due

to its unique nature.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " subba_appa "

<subba.iyer wrote:

>

>

> Thanks Sreenadh ji for your detailed analysis. You seem to have

answered

> all the queries in your comprehensive analysis.

>

> You are also right when you said that all the events happened

during the

> Sa/Ma period (VD from lagna).

>

> The only thing that I would like to highlight is that he is not mad.

> Madness is a common term to describe many different things -- like

> mental retardation, crazy, psychological disorientation etc. From my

> interaction with him, he does not fall in that category, except

that his

> communication seems incoherent sometimes. But on the issue of

charges,

> he is completely consistent and denies all the charges.

>

> Now, he has committed sexual violence, rape and assault. Clearly

> violence was in his mind, and that does not fall in the category of

> madness.

>

> Is an appeal likely to be successful? This is an important question

> because it involves lots of efforts and time.

>

> Thanks again

>

>

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

> > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

> > Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

> >

> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> > Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> > Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> > Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> > Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> > Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> > Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> >

> > Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu

(Lagma

> > sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given

birth

> > time is correct.

> > Primary Analysis

> > ================

> > * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su

debilitated in

> > Navamsa.

> > * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade

yoga

> > (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own

house.

> > (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

> > * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from

the

> > sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls

on

> > 11th from lagna)

> > * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa,

indicating a

> > fallen (immoral) individual.

> > * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th,

he

> > would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like

an

> > over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

> > * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen,

immoral

> > poor family, the native attained life success because of his

unique

> > abilities and successful profession.

> > * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

> > from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate

the

> > same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

> > Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession

related

> > to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

> > similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

> > success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

> > luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in

profession

> > during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only

25

> > years of age now)

> > * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th

> aspected

> > by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also

indicate the

> > same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that

indicate

> > madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

> > problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara

(). No

> > doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari

dasa

> > from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari

> dasa

> > from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

> > should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

> > native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly

visible to

> > the world in this period.

> > * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th

indicate

> > a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence

for

> > long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

> > * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can

not

> > help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for

long.

> > * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would

be

> > destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success

of

> > the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the

trend

> > will be followed throughout his life.

> > * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through

tides,

> > turbulences and occasional madness.

> > * The native will again become famous, well known and successful

only

> > at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same

profession

> > and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

> > Remark:

> > =======

> > This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional

intelligence

> > and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

> > sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

> > will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

> > late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

> > futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

> >

> > Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

> > combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the

same.

> > Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> > , Panditji

> > navagraha@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu

and

> > shani.

> > > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

> > aspected by

> > > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong

sex

> > drive. 4

> > > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and

ravi

> are

> > > debilited in navansha.

> > >

> > > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on

chadra to

> > suggest

> > > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

> > negative I can

> > > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is

> strong.

> > >

> > > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive.

Mangal

> and

> > > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa subba.iyer@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Learned astrologers:

> > > >

> > > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws

are

> very

> > > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> > processes has

> > > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > > >

> > > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting

a

> > couple of

> > > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly

> > > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> > > >

> > > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18

years

> > > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

> > (started from

> > > > lagna).

> > > >

> > > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

> > interactions, he

> > > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person,

claiming

> > > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

> > communication and

> > > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his

inherent

> > nature, as

> > > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time

in

> > prison can

> > > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

finds

> him

> > > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> > reported

> > > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> > would be a

> > > > danger to society if he was released.

> > > >

> > > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

> > though the

> > > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be

successful in

> > view of

> > > > the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > >

> > > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with

the

> > > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a

Gaja

> > kesari

> > > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a

good

> > chart.

> > > >

> > > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> > > >

> > > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

> crimes?

> > > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his

> defence

> > > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was

miscarriage

> > of justice

> > > > possible?

> > > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that

the

> > appeal

> > > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist

opinion.

> > > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the

> state of

> > > > affairs?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant

sexual

> > > > behavior?

> > > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long

prison

> > term?

> > > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a

> victim

> > > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused

himself

> when

> > > > he was a child? How does one see that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a

> very

> > > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

> > more detailed

> > > > comprehensive response.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandit ji,

Thanks for the comments about write up on Jaimini sutra.

==>

> why would chadra - guru yoga in a kona be the one causing madness ?

> Why would guru-chandra dasha trigger these activities.

<==

It is explained in my second mail about the same, in the reply to

Swati, in detail.

 

==>

> On this particular chart, could you please elaborate on the bandhan

> yoga in the chart.

<==

Yes, as time permits in detail, in another mail, I will do it for

sure.

Dear Panditji, I request you to continue discussion on this chart,

as this chart seems to be unique and a detailed discussion of the

same would be helpful to the seekers of astrological knowledge.

 

Further, I hope that later (after the discussions are over)

Subba.Iyer ji will provide more details about the life of the native,

and we could compare the analysis results with reality.

 

As we know any chart analysis can have 2 parts -

1) Postmortem Analysis - Logical reasoning to confirm the already

occurred incidents. This could be of help in study of astrology, but

of not any practical usefulness to the querent.

2) Prediction about Past and future events (unknown to the

astrologer): Revealing of unique details about the past of the

native, confirms (or destroys) one's belief in astrology. If the same

is right, the querent will be more confident, and will start

believing in the future predictions of the astrologer, about the

same. (Even though only the future can tell whether it came true or

not)

We have started this analysis with step -1, elaborating on the same,

let us slowly move on to step -2 as well.

Whether we are right or wrong, to what extend, let Suba Iyer confirm

later. For us it is just a learning exercise, and there for right or

wrong we have nothing to lose or worry. Let us try the application

of text told combinations and results.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Panditji

<navagraha wrote:

>

> Namaste Sreenadhji,

>

> Read your writeup on jaimini. Exellent work.

>

> On this paticular chart, could you please elaborate on the bandhan

yoga in

> the chart.

>

> Also why would chadra - guru yoga in a kona be the one causing

madness ? Why

> would guru-chandra dasha trigger these activities.

>

> Thanks

>

> ...

>

>

> On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> >

> > BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

> > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

> > Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

> >

> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> > Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> > Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> > Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> > Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> > Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> > Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> >

> > Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu

(Lagma

> > sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given

birth

> > time is correct.

> > Primary Analysis

> > ================

> > * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su

debilitated in

> > Navamsa.

> > * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade

yoga

> > (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own

house.

> > (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

> > * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from

the

> > sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls

on

> > 11th from lagna)

> > * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa,

indicating a

> > fallen (immoral) individual.

> > * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th,

he

> > would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like

an

> > over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

> > * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen,

immoral

> > poor family, the native attained life success because of his

unique

> > abilities and successful profession.

> > * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

> > from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate

the

> > same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

> > Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession

related

> > to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

> > similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

> > success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

> > luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in

profession

> > during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only

25

> > years of age now)

> > * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th

aspected

> > by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also

indicate the

> > same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that

indicate

> > madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

> > problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara

(). No

> > doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari

dasa

> > from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari

dasa

> > from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

> > should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

> > native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly

visible to

> > the world in this period.

> > * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th

indicate

> > a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence

for

> > long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

> > * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can

not

> > help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for

long.

> > * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would

be

> > destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success

of

> > the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the

trend

> > will be followed throughout his life.

> > * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through

tides,

> > turbulences and occasional madness.

> > * The native will again become famous, well known and successful

only

> > at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same

profession

> > and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

> > Remark:

> > =======

> > This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional

intelligence

> > and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

> > sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

> > will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

> > late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

> > futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

> >

> > Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

> > combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the

same.

> > Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> > --- In

<%

40>,

> > Panditji

> > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu

and

> > shani.

> > > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

> > aspected by

> > > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong

sex

> > drive. 4

> > > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and

ravi are

> > > debilited in navansha.

> > >

> > > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on

chadra to

> > suggest

> > > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

> > negative I can

> > > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is

strong.

> > >

> > > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive.

Mangal and

> > > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Learned astrologers:

> > > >

> > > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws

are very

> > > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> > processes has

> > > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > > >

> > > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting

a

> > couple of

> > > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly

> > > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> > > >

> > > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18

years

> > > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

> > (started from

> > > > lagna).

> > > >

> > > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

> > interactions, he

> > > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person,

claiming

> > > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

> > communication and

> > > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his

inherent

> > nature, as

> > > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time

in

> > prison can

> > > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

finds him

> > > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> > reported

> > > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> > would be a

> > > > danger to society if he was released.

> > > >

> > > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

> > though the

> > > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be

successful in

> > view of

> > > > the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > >

> > > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with

the

> > > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a

Gaja

> > kesari

> > > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a

good

> > chart.

> > > >

> > > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> > > >

> > > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

crimes?

> > > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his

defence

> > > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was

miscarriage

> > of justice

> > > > possible?

> > > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

> > appeal

> > > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the

state of

> > > > affairs?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant

sexual

> > > > behavior?

> > > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

> > term?

> > > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a

victim

> > > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself

when

> > > > he was a child? How does one see that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is

a very

> > > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

> > more detailed

> > > > comprehensive response.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagdish ji,

The bandhana yogas in the horoscope would be discussed in another

mail, in detail. As of now let us concentrate on the Unmada yogas.

==>

> If this horoscope would have been given to you saying that this

is the horoscope of a famous person then probably you would have

found out many good yogas in that and could have justified that why

the person is famous, rich and successful.

<==

It depends - you are right in pointing to the fact that Post mortem

analysis of the horoscopes are not of much practical usefulness to

the querent. But in the study of this horoscope, we will try to

extend the analysis beyond this limit (i.e. mere Post mortem

analysis).

 

==>

> Amitabh Bacchan has Saturn in 4th house aspecting lagna. Rahu

Ketu is in 1/7 axis. 9th lord venus is debiliated in 8th house. Rahu

(or Ketu) is aspecting moon in 9th house. 6th lord is in 9th house -

complete blockage of bhagaya.

> It looks like to me that he must be having some psychological

problems, isnt it ?

<==

Please don't jump into conclusions. I don't know the details of the

horoscope of Amitabh Bacchan.

 

1) But for sure, I know that " Saturn in 4th house aspecting lagna " is

not enough to fullfull the combination for Unmada, but rather " While

Sa is in Lagna, if Ma is in any of 7-5-9 houses the combination

indicates Unmada " is the combination as per Prasnamarga. (Please

refer to the discussion given earlier)

 

2) " 9th lord venus is debiliated in 8th house " is not a combination

for Unmanda as per any text - from where you got it?!

 

3) " Rahu (or Ketu) is aspecting moon in 9th house " The aspect of Rahu

or Ketu is not supported by Rishi horas. Rahu and Ketu are known

as " Agu " meaning " without Rays " and thus can't have Drishti. This not

a combination for Unmada as well.

 

4) " 6th lord is in 9th house " - That too is not at all a combination

indicating Unmada.

 

Please refer to my previous mail about " Combinations of Madness in

this horoscope " to have a better idea about the same.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Prathamesn Chawan

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> I dont get this point.

>

> For gemini ascendent, Saturn is the 9th lord more than 8th lord.

Why he will go to prison for whole saturn dasa ?

>

> If this horoscope would have been given to you saying that this

is the horoscope of a famous person then probably you would have

found out many good yogas in that and could have justified that why

the person is famous, rich and successful.

>

> Amitabh Bacchan has Saturn in 4th house aspecting lagna. Rahu

Ketu is in 1/7 axis. 9th lord venus is debiliated in 8th house. Rahu

(or Ketu) is aspecting moon in 9th house. 6th lord is in 9th house -

complete blockage of bhagaya.

>

> It looks like to me that he must be having some psychological

problems, isnt it ?

>

> If one rule is not applicable in all the horoscope then the rule

is waste

>

> thanks

>

> Jagdish

>

>

>

>

>

> Panditji <navagraha wrote:

> Namaste Sreenadhji,

>

> Read your writeup on jaimini. Exellent work.

>

> On this paticular chart, could you please elaborate on the

bandhan yoga in the chart.

>

> Also why would chadra - guru yoga in a kona be the one causing

madness ? Why would guru-chandra dasha trigger these activities.

>

> Thanks

>

> ...

>

>

> On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: BT: 7th May

1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

> Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

> Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

> Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

> Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

>

> Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu

(Lagma

> sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given

birth

> time is correct.

> Primary Analysis

> ================

> * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated

in

> Navamsa.

> * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade

yoga

> (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.

> (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

> * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from the

> sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on

> 11th from lagna)

> * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa,

indicating a

> fallen (immoral) individual.

> * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, he

> would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like an

> over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

> * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen,

immoral

> poor family, the native attained life success because of his unique

> abilities and successful profession.

> * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

> from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate

the

> same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

> Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession

related

> to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

> similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

> success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

> luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in profession

> during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25

> years of age now)

> * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th

aspected

> by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate

the

> same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that

indicate

> madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

> problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara ().

No

> doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasa

> from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari

dasa

> from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

> should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

> native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible

to

> the world in this period.

> * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th

indicate

> a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence

for

> long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

> * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can

not

> help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for

long.

> * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would be

> destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of

> the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trend

> will be followed throughout his life.

> * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through

tides,

> turbulences and occasional madness.

> * The native will again become famous, well known and successful

only

> at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same

profession

> and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

> Remark:

> =======

> This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligence

> and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

> sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

> will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

> late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

> futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

>

> Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

> combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the

same.

> Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

> , Panditji

> <navagraha@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and

> shani.

> > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

> aspected by

> > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sex

> drive. 4

> > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and

ravi are

> > debilited in navansha.

> >

> > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra

to

> suggest

> > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

> negative I can

> > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is

strong.

> >

> > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive.

Mangal and

> > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

> >

> > ...

> >

> >

> > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Learned astrologers:

> > >

> > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are

very

> > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> processes has

> > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > >

> > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

> couple of

> > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> supposedly

> > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> > >

> > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18

years

> > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

> (started from

> > > lagna).

> > >

> > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

> interactions, he

> > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person,

claiming

> > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

> communication and

> > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

> nature, as

> > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> prison can

> > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

finds him

> > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> reported

> > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> would be a

> > > danger to society if he was released.

> > >

> > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

> though the

> > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful

in

> view of

> > > the psychiatrist opinion.

> > >

> > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with

the

> > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a

Gaja

> kesari

> > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a

good

> chart.

> > >

> > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> > >

>

> > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> > >

> > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

crimes?

> > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his

defence

> > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage

> of justice

> > > possible?

> > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

> appeal

> > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the

state of

> > > affairs?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> > >

> > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > > behavior?

> > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

> term?

> > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a

victim

> > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself

when

> > > he was a child? How does one see that?

> > >

> > >

> > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a

very

> > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

> more detailed

> > > comprehensive response.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Dear Sreenadh Ji Greetings I am sorry for confusing you. Lets go deeper in the given horoscope. I will write furthur in my next email about this person. Thanks JagdishSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Jagdish ji,The bandhana yogas in the horoscope would be discussed in another mail, in detail. As of now let us

concentrate on the Unmada yogas.==>> If this horoscope would have been given to you saying that this is the horoscope of a famous person then probably you would have found out many good yogas in that and could have justified that why the person is famous, rich and successful.<==It depends - you are right in pointing to the fact that Post mortem analysis of the horoscopes are not of much practical usefulness to the querent. But in the study of this horoscope, we will try to extend the analysis beyond this limit (i.e. mere Post mortem analysis).==>> Amitabh Bacchan has Saturn in 4th house aspecting lagna. Rahu Ketu is in 1/7 axis. 9th lord venus is debiliated in 8th house. Rahu (or Ketu) is aspecting moon in 9th house. 6th lord is in 9th house - complete blockage of bhagaya. > It looks like to me that he must be having some psychological problems, isnt it ?<== Please

don't jump into conclusions. I don't know the details of the horoscope of Amitabh Bacchan. 1) But for sure, I know that "Saturn in 4th house aspecting lagna" is not enough to fullfull the combination for Unmada, but rather "While Sa is in Lagna, if Ma is in any of 7-5-9 houses the combination indicates Unmada" is the combination as per Prasnamarga. (Please refer to the discussion given earlier)2) "9th lord venus is debiliated in 8th house" is not a combination for Unmanda as per any text - from where you got it?!3) "Rahu (or Ketu) is aspecting moon in 9th house" The aspect of Rahu or Ketu is not supported by Rishi horas. Rahu and Ketu are known as "Agu" meaning "without Rays" and thus can't have Drishti. This not a combination for Unmada as well. 4)"6th lord is in 9th house" - That too is not at all a combination indicating Unmada.Please refer to my previous mail about "Combinations of Madness

in this horoscope" to have a better idea about the same.Love,Sreenadh , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote:>> I dont get this point.> > For gemini ascendent, Saturn is the 9th lord more than 8th lord. Why he will go to prison for whole saturn dasa ?> > If this horoscope would have been given to you saying that this is the horoscope of a famous person then probably you would have found out many good yogas in that and could have justified that why the person is famous, rich and successful.> > Amitabh Bacchan has Saturn in 4th house aspecting lagna. Rahu Ketu is in 1/7 axis. 9th lord venus is debiliated in 8th house. Rahu (or Ketu) is aspecting moon in 9th house. 6th lord is in 9th house - complete blockage of bhagaya.

> > It looks like to me that he must be having some psychological problems, isnt it ?> > If one rule is not applicable in all the horoscope then the rule is waste > > thanks> > Jagdish> > > > > > Panditji <navagraha wrote:> Namaste Sreenadhji,> > Read your writeup on jaimini. Exellent work.> > On this paticular chart, could you please elaborate on the bandhan yoga in the chart.> > Also why would chadra - guru yoga in a kona be the one causing madness ? Why would guru-chandra dasha trigger these activities.> > Thanks> > ...> > > On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.> Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.> Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39> Ayanamsa: True

Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)> Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73" Puna 2 Ge Ta> Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04" Bhar 3 Ar Li> Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35" Swat 2 Li Cp> Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66" UPha 3 Vi Aq> Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98" Swat 1 Li Sg> Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44" UBha 2 Pi Vi> Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63" Hast 4 Vi Cn> Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94" Puna 1 Ge Ar> Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94" PSha 3 Sg Li> Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagma> sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birth> time is correct. > Primary

Analysis> ================> * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in > Navamsa. > * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga> (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.> (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa) > * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from the> sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on> 11th from lagna)> * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a > fallen (immoral) individual.> * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, he> would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like an> over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence) > * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoral> poor family,

the native attained life success because of his unique> abilities and successful profession.> * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income > from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate the> same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from> Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession related> to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to > similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life> success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible> luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in profession> during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25 > years of age now) > * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspected> by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate

the> same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate > madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic> problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). No> doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasa> from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari dasa > from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness> should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The> native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible to> the world in this period. > * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicate> a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence for> long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years. > * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not

> help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.> * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would be> destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of> the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trend> will be followed throughout his life.> * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,> turbulences and occasional madness. > * The native will again become famous, well known and successful only> at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same profession> and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.> Remark: > =======> This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligence> and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison> sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

> will come back to popularity and professional success again in the> late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is> futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.> > Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique > combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.> Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same. > Love,> Sreenadh> , Panditji> <navagraha@> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> > > > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and> shani. > > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is> aspected by> > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong

sex> drive. 4> > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and ravi are > > debilited in navansha.> > > > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra to> suggest> > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only> negative I can> > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is strong. > > > > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive. Mangal and> > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.> > > > ...> > > > > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer@> wrote:> > >> > > Hello Learned astrologers:> > >> > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very > > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the

legal> processes has> > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.> > >> > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a > couple of> > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were> supposedly> > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.> > >> > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years > > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa> (started from> > > lagna).> > >> > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my> interactions, he> > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming > > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his> communication and> > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it

down to his inherent> nature, as> > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in > prison can> > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also finds him> > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has> reported> > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it > would be a> > > danger to society if he was released.> > >> > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,> though the> > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in > view of> > > the psychiatrist opinion.> > >> > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the> > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja > kesari> > >

yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good> chart.> > >> > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *> > >> > > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:* > > >> > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?> > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence> > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage > of justice> > > possible?> > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the> appeal> > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion. > > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of> > > affairs?> > >> > >> > >> > > *From an

astrological standpoint:*> > >> > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual > > > behavior?> > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison> term?> > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim> > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that? > > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when> > > he was a child? How does one see that?> > >> > >> > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very > > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a> more detailed> > > comprehensive response.> > >> > > Thanks> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >

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I call this chart The Raft because it looks like a Raft with Neptune being the

tiller, the way to steer it. North Node looks like a stick on the other end to

balance it out, and that's probably what Rahu is doing, counter-weight against

the strong Neptune influence. Also, notice a lot of the planets are together

one side and then another group on the other...the wheel form has a definite

pattern to it.

 

The way I see it, the Uranus Exalted in Scorpio forms a Mystical

Rectangle...Mercury, Mars, Uranus, Venus, and that Rectangle is actually

absorbing a lot of this tension. Mars in Virgo does not want to have tons and

tons of sex, in fact Mars in Virgo lacks physical energy. However, if the

affliction of Venus comes into play he has a hard time with money (Venus) and

romance (Venus) and values (which have to do with morals) which is also Venus.

 

Based on the DSM-IV, I have deduced that there are some relevent houses.

However, the only thing to suggest sociopathy is the afflicted Venus in Pisces

(though she is Exalted in Pisces) and Mars being afflicted by Neptune.

(because Neptune rules mental illness of all kinds, notice I say all kinds,

not just psychopathology)

Besides, as Nick Campion put it, " even the tense aspects between these two

planets cannot be bad because they [the planets] are so benefic " or something

like that (I am paraphrasing a bit) in The Ultimate Astrologer.

Venus inconjunct Jupiter is only a big deal because Venus is ruled by Jupiter

and Jupiter is ruled by Venus so you get screwed either way. That's the big

deal here, at lest to me. I don't think the new zodiac will change the nature

of those aspects, it's still the same quincunx.

The Square with Venus and Mars (Neptune Square Mars, Neptune Square Venus)

also suggest he has problems in sex....both Mars and Venus have to do with

sexuality. Those problems may precipitate violence, but not necessarily. They

may remain as internal problems only, so it would take more information to be

sure (ie the chart by itself doesn't prove that). Neptune also has a positive

side (intuition and imagination), and the T Square (Mars opposition Venus, each

of them Square Neptune to form a big " T " with the midpoint) can be

constructive. It's just not clear exactly how that T Square will manifest

itself.

 

The chart definitely suggests sociopathy, but it doesn't confirm it. The

answer from the stars is mixed.

 

I don't think there is enough information here to definitely prove he is a

sociopath, but if it is really so important I would get a second opinion from a

professional psychologist who doesn't have any stake one way or the other in the

outcome, ie who has nothing to gain or lose from this man being a sociopath or

not.

 

Vikas Goyal <vikaslaxmi wrote:

Dear Subba Appa,

 

His ascendent is Mercury, which is a planet of communications and public

dealing. This is what is making him like that. Being in 12th house and aspected

by MArs and Saturn it puts itself in wicked deeds and make himself use it to

protoect himself of his deeds. Also presence of Rahu and Gulika in ascendent is

a additive to his misbehaviour with women..

 

Vikas Goyal

 

 

subba_appa <subba_appa

vedic astrology

Saturday, 9 June, 2007 9:50:54 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath? Please

help analyze.

 

Dear Vikasji:

 

Thanks for your detailed and honest analysis. Well, his fondness of sex

is what has caused him to commit crimes. He is supposedly to have raped

a 22 year old woman, molested a few school girls and then assaulted a

woman in mid 30s. In each case, it seems he has planned the event well.

If this is not a criminal mind, wonder what it is..!

 

But he is so articulate in communicating his honesty that it leaves many

people including me bewildered.

 

vedic astrology, Vikas Goyal <vikaslaxmi@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Subba Appa,

>

> The case you have at hand is the case of a destiny to be fulfilled.

>

> Answers from practical point of view:

>

> 1. Yes there are chances that he might have commited these deeds as

Jupiter is in house of Exalted Venus with Moon. Moon the karaka of

emotions and thinking is in enemies house with Jupiter which is also

enimical to venus. Venus being karka of woman and sex in a male

horoscope gives this person a highly sexed up nature but as his house is

afflicted with two enemy planets there comes a perverted view towards

women, like venus wants him to have lots of sex with many woman but

jupiter wants not to. Moon compells emotionally and thus a confused

approach. Now this has happened in 5th house. This house is also known

to be the house which signifies the fruits that a person gets in this

life due to deeds of past life. Though view about sex and the things I

told about earlier are just above normal and not a sin.

>

> 2. Being Gemini ascendent makes him intelligent and thus he is now

trying to protect himself by blaming others and not that Justice as you

call so is micarried.

>

> 3. Apart from sex life he is a very intelligent and a very noble

person. He has got Jupiter in 5th house Lagna and First house in Moon

Chart. A little affliction in mind is possible as Moon is in the house

of enemy and nakshatra of Rahu. A appeal isnt likely to suceed though I

donot give you advice not to go ahead as the person is not a criminal

but a victim of his fondness of sex due to planetary configuration. Why

the appeal might not succeed you will know in the other answers that

follow.

>

> 4. Yes remedial measures can easily get him out of Jail and improve

is thought processes, though he has to go through judicial process till

Saturn Dasa is over, I being a Bania cannot suggest you any methods. You

should consult a very good and learned astrologer for this. His chart is

very strong otherwise.

>

>

> From Astrological point of view:

>

> 1. I already have explaiined your first question.

>

> 2. Presence of Saturn which governs hardships, punishments and jail

terms is in the house of sukha i.e comforts and home with Mars is

indicative of his house comforts be ruined till Saturn Dasa is

operative.

>

> 3. Already explained this earlier.

>

> 4. Yes there are bright chances of him having foeced sex relations

with women of lower cast in his house around the age of 10-16 years.

>

> You should with the help of astrology do you best for this person.

>

> Thanks

>

> Vikas

>

> subba_appa subba_appa@. ..

> vedic astrology@ ...

> Thursday, 7 June, 2007 9:58:20 Anks

>

> [vedic astrology] Innocent person or a dangerous psychopath?

Please help analyze.e

>

> Respected learned astrologers:

>

> The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws are very

> strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

processes

> has resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

>

> The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a couple

> of women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> supposedly committed in 6 months. This is indicative of a serial

> molester.

>

> He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa (started

> from lagna).

>

> I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my interactions,

he

> comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his communication

and

> interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

nature,

> as someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> prison can show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

> finds him intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case

has

> reported (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> would be a danger to society if he was released.

>

> The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court, though

> the lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> view of the psychiatrist opinion.

>

> His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

kesari

> yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> chart.

>

> Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India.

>

> Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:

>

> 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious crimes?

> 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage of

> justice possible?

> 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the appeal

> may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the state of

> affairs?

>

> From an astrological standpoint:

>

> 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> behavior?

> 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison term?

> 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim of

> circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when he

> was a child? How does one see that?

>

> Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a very

> interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a more

> detailed comprehensive response.

>

>