Nitya Kalyan K S Venkataraman - Introduction

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Dear friends,

 

Pranams.

 

Thank you very much for having invited me to join this group. I am

honored to be with you all in this group, addressing one of the most

valuable branches of knowledge inherited by us as part of Vedic

Culture.

 

As I a student of Astrology and also as the Editor of the English E-

magazine Nitya Kalyan, deidcated to spreading knowledge on Vedic

Heritage, Devotional Literature, True Values of Life and Principles

of Self Development, I am sure that the company of all of you is

going to be personally very beneficial to me and I shall also try to

make it mutally beneficial.

 

Just I want to share some of my thoughts in this introductory

message with the learned members of this group.

 

(1) Vedic Astrology is considered a limb of the Vedas. A limb cannot

survive in isolation. A broad understanding of the Vedic culture and

its fundamental principles like transmigration of soul, moksha,

karma and so on is essential if the Veidc Astrology should make any

sense to the student and practitioner as well.

 

(2) The value of our devotional literature is great for the science

of Astrology. Its practical relevance in dealing with the impact of

the past karma, regulating the present karma and cultivating ideal

future karma, needs to be understood and appreciated perfectly for

duly appreciating the managerial aspects of Vedic Astrology.

 

(3) In disciplining our present activities and molding the right

mental attitude of 'arppana' and 'thyaga' our needhi sastras play a

very useful role.

 

(4) Last but not the least, the principles of Self Development

should be clearly understood, if only we want to make the highly

efficacious astrological 'prayogas' work for us in the right

direction.

 

A systematic study and application of the Astrology as a scinece

would definitely enable us cross the ocean of samsara successfully

and attain all our purusharthas without fail.

 

With kind regards,

 

K S Venkataraman

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Dear Venkataraman ji,

Thanks for the message.

 

This group is not limited to Vedic Astrology alone - as you may know

vedas depend more on stellar astrology and Sayana system, even though

Nirayana zodiac gets mentioned occasionally.

Equal to Vedic astrology we cherish the Non-Vedic (call it Tantric)

foundations of Astrology as well, which was denied of its due credit

through the centuries, even though almost the whole of Nirayana

System is based on the same.

Not only that we also value the Budha/Jain/Yavana contributions to

astrology as well - which are neither Vedic nor Tantric in nature.

 

You might have noted that this group is outside the Vedic category

of . This group is listed under: " Religion & Beliefs >

Divination > Astrology " And NOT under: " Religion & Beliefs >

Divination > Astrology > Vedic " under which most of other astrology

groups are listed.

 

Can you please elaborate How Karma theory is dealt within Vedas? (I

mean Vedas and not Upanishads or any other allied literature). It

would helpful for us to understand it in the 'Vedic astrology'

context.

 

By the way, I have seen the wordings used in your uploaded file:

" **lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi naidu "

Can you explain this " lord " and " sri " added in from of " your " (?)

name?

I thought that these are revered words which normal humble human

being will not dare to use to address themselves. Either an

enlightened person, or a fool who demands to get respected as an

enlightened person will use the same. In which of these categories

this use fall I don't know - can you clarify? Or is it some actual

lord (god) in some temple? (in which case I take back these comments)

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " K(umbakonam) S

(ambasiva) Venkataraman " <venkataramanks7 wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Pranams.

>

> Thank you very much for having invited me to join this group. I am

> honored to be with you all in this group, addressing one of the

most

> valuable branches of knowledge inherited by us as part of Vedic

> Culture.

>

> As I a student of Astrology and also as the Editor of the English E-

> magazine Nitya Kalyan, deidcated to spreading knowledge on Vedic

> Heritage, Devotional Literature, True Values of Life and Principles

> of Self Development, I am sure that the company of all of you is

> going to be personally very beneficial to me and I shall also try

to

> make it mutally beneficial.

>

> Just I want to share some of my thoughts in this introductory

> message with the learned members of this group.

>

> (1) Vedic Astrology is considered a limb of the Vedas. A limb

cannot

> survive in isolation. A broad understanding of the Vedic culture

and

> its fundamental principles like transmigration of soul, moksha,

> karma and so on is essential if the Veidc Astrology should make any

> sense to the student and practitioner as well.

>

> (2) The value of our devotional literature is great for the science

> of Astrology. Its practical relevance in dealing with the impact of

> the past karma, regulating the present karma and cultivating ideal

> future karma, needs to be understood and appreciated perfectly for

> duly appreciating the managerial aspects of Vedic Astrology.

>

> (3) In disciplining our present activities and molding the right

> mental attitude of 'arppana' and 'thyaga' our needhi sastras play a

> very useful role.

>

> (4) Last but not the least, the principles of Self Development

> should be clearly understood, if only we want to make the highly

> efficacious astrological 'prayogas' work for us in the right

> direction.

>

> A systematic study and application of the Astrology as a scinece

> would definitely enable us cross the ocean of samsara successfully

> and attain all our purusharthas without fail.

>

> With kind regards,

>

> K S Venkataraman

>

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Dear Sri Sreenadh, Pranams. Thanks for your kind message. I think it is good that you maintain a wider perception of Astrology. (1) Both Sayana and Nirayana systems were not extraneous to the Vedas. I find my concept of the Vedic Astrology is much inclusive but at the same time, I do deny the importance the various lines of thoughts mentioned by you, under the category ‘non-vedic’. I find that you are limiting your vision of Vedic Astrology to the Karma Khanda of the Vedas, excluding even the Upanishads. So you have a ‘non-vedic’ section including Tantric concepts and the contributions of Bhuddism, Jainism etc,. For those who hold the view that the Vedas are universal, eternal, and exhaustive, this division would not be acceptable. The Vedas represent a whole, including the Upanishads. The Tantric concepts and the contributions of Bhuddism, Jainism and so on, did not originate from nothing; they emanated and got evolved from the Vedic concepts. In fact, Sri Vivekananda traces many ‘sublime’ vedantic thoughts in Tantras. He points out, “In fact, the Brahmanas portions of the Vedas were modified a little and incorporated into the body of the Tantras.” (CW – Vol 3 The Religion We are Born In (page 458) Actually how we refer to a thing matters little. Rose smells as sweet by whatever name you call it. The theories and possibilities of their practice, matter the most. It is a Vedic inspiration to go in all directions in search of knowledge and truth. No authentic version of astrology denies the principle of Karma. Even when Sri Mahaveer denied

the existence of God and Bhuddha was non-committal, the principle of Karma has not been rejected by any of them. The insistence on doing good things and loving other beings form the mainstay of the principle of Karma. And, birth is not mere accident. It is a definite outcome of past karma. The most important objective of the Vedic way of life is ‘moksha’ (inter alia release from the karmic bond), the objective of the Vedic Astrology (a limb of the Vedas) cannot be different. But if one wants to understand the relevance fully, he should be prepared to take on the Vedic Heritage as a whole and not in parts. (2) Now, I do not understand the following part of your message. By the way, I have seen the wordings used in your uploaded file:"**lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi naidu"Can you explain this "lord" and "sri" added in from of "your" (?) name?I thought that these are revered words which normal humble human being will not dare to use to address themselves. Either an enlightened person, or a fool who demands to get respected as an enlightened person will use the same. In which of these categories this use fall I don't know - can you clarify? Or is it some actual lord (god) in some temple? (in which case I take back these comments) I consider myself a humble student and definitely neither as an enlightened person nor as a fool. I never use the prefixes like ‘Lord’ ‘Sri’ etc to myself. Using ‘Sri’, while addressing others, is a very normal expression of respect. You have also signed only as ‘Sreenadh’ and I do not take it amiss. In which page, this phrase, "**lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi naidu" has appeared? Please tell me. I searched in vain. I do not remember to have used this phrase in the

file I sent to you, leave alone using it as a personal reference to me. I have placed the facts truthfully. Whether you take back your comments or not – it does not matter anything to me. With kind regards, K S VenkataramanSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Venkataraman ji,Thanks for the message.This group is not limited to Vedic Astrology alone - as you may know vedas depend more on stellar astrology and Sayana

system, even though Nirayana zodiac gets mentioned occasionally.Equal to Vedic astrology we cherish the Non-Vedic (call it Tantric) foundations of Astrology as well, which was denied of its due credit through the centuries, even though almost the whole of Nirayana System is based on the same.Not only that we also value the Budha/Jain/Yavana contributions to astrology as well - which are neither Vedic nor Tantric in nature.You might have noted that this group is outside the Vedic category of . This group is listed under: "Religion & Beliefs > Divination > Astrology" And NOT under: "Religion & Beliefs > Divination > Astrology > Vedic" under which most of other astrology groups are listed.Can you please elaborate How Karma theory is dealt within Vedas? (I mean Vedas and not Upanishads or any other allied literature). It would helpful for us to understand it in the 'Vedic

astrology' context.By the way, I have seen the wordings used in your uploaded file:"**lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi naidu"Can you explain this "lord" and "sri" added in from of "your" (?) name?I thought that these are revered words which normal humble human being will not dare to use to address themselves. Either an enlightened person, or a fool who demands to get respected as an enlightened person will use the same. In which of these categories this use fall I don't know - can you clarify? Or is it some actual lord (god) in some temple? (in which case I take back these comments)Love,Sreenadh , "K(umbakonam) S(ambasiva) Venkataraman" <venkataramanks7 wrote:>> Dear friends,> > Pranams.> > Thank you

very much for having invited me to join this group. I am > honored to be with you all in this group, addressing one of the most > valuable branches of knowledge inherited by us as part of Vedic > Culture.> > As I a student of Astrology and also as the Editor of the English E-> magazine Nitya Kalyan, deidcated to spreading knowledge on Vedic > Heritage, Devotional Literature, True Values of Life and Principles > of Self Development, I am sure that the company of all of you is > going to be personally very beneficial to me and I shall also try to > make it mutally beneficial.> > Just I want to share some of my thoughts in this introductory > message with the learned members of this group.> > (1) Vedic Astrology is considered a limb of the Vedas. A limb cannot > survive in isolation. A broad understanding of the Vedic culture and > its

fundamental principles like transmigration of soul, moksha, > karma and so on is essential if the Veidc Astrology should make any > sense to the student and practitioner as well.> > (2) The value of our devotional literature is great for the science > of Astrology. Its practical relevance in dealing with the impact of > the past karma, regulating the present karma and cultivating ideal > future karma, needs to be understood and appreciated perfectly for > duly appreciating the managerial aspects of Vedic Astrology.> > (3) In disciplining our present activities and molding the right > mental attitude of 'arppana' and 'thyaga' our needhi sastras play a > very useful role.> > (4) Last but not the least, the principles of Self Development > should be clearly understood, if only we want to make the highly > efficacious astrological 'prayogas' work for us in the right

> direction.> > A systematic study and application of the Astrology as a scinece > would definitely enable us cross the ocean of samsara successfully > and attain all our purusharthas without fail.> > With kind regards,> > K S Venkataraman>K.S.Venkataraman

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Dear Venkataraman ji,

That was an informative good mail. I will respond to it in detail in

another mail.

 

As far as " " **lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya

chiranjeevi naidu " is concerned; it appears under the first image

of " Welcome to the Group.doc " you uploaded in the files section of

the forum.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Kumbakonam

Venkataraman <venkataramanks7 wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Sreenadh,

>

> Pranams.

>

> Thanks for your kind message. I think it is good that you

maintain a wider perception of Astrology.

>

> (1)

>

> Both Sayana and Nirayana systems were not extraneous to the

Vedas.

>

> I find my concept of the Vedic Astrology is much inclusive but at

the same time, I do deny the importance the various lines of thoughts

mentioned by you, under the category `non-vedic'.

>

> I find that you are limiting your vision of Vedic Astrology to

the Karma Khanda of the Vedas, excluding even the Upanishads. So you

have a `non-vedic' section including Tantric concepts and the

contributions of Bhuddism, Jainism etc,.

>

> For those who hold the view that the Vedas are universal,

eternal, and exhaustive, this division would not be acceptable. The

Vedas represent a whole, including the Upanishads. The Tantric

concepts and the contributions of Bhuddism, Jainism and so on, did

not originate from nothing; they emanated and got evolved from the

Vedic concepts. In fact, Sri Vivekananda traces many `sublime'

vedantic thoughts in Tantras. He points out, " In fact, the Brahmanas

portions of the Vedas were modified a little and incorporated into

the body of the Tantras. " (CW – Vol 3 The Religion We are Born In

(page 458)

>

> Actually how we refer to a thing matters little. Rose smells as

sweet by whatever name you call it.

>

> The theories and possibilities of their practice, matter the

most. It is a Vedic inspiration to go in all directions in search of

knowledge and truth.

>

> No authentic version of astrology denies the principle of Karma.

Even when Sri Mahaveer denied the existence of God and Bhuddha was

non-committal, the principle of Karma has not been rejected by any of

them. The insistence on doing good things and loving other beings

form the mainstay of the principle of Karma.

>

> And, birth is not mere accident. It is a definite outcome of past

karma. The most important objective of the Vedic way of life

is `moksha' (inter alia release from the karmic bond), the objective

of the Vedic Astrology (a limb of the Vedas) cannot be different. But

if one wants to understand the relevance fully, he should be prepared

to take on the Vedic Heritage as a whole and not in parts.

>

> (2)

>

> Now, I do not understand the following part of your message.

>

> By the way, I have seen the wordings used in your uploaded file:

> " **lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi

naidu "

> Can you explain this " lord " and " sri " added in from of " your " (?)

> name?

> I thought that these are revered words which normal humble human

> being will not dare to use to address themselves. Either an

> enlightened person, or a fool who demands to get respected as an

> enlightened person will use the same. In which of these categories

> this use fall I don't know - can you clarify? Or is it some actual

> lord (god) in some temple? (in which case I take back these

comments)

>

>

>

> I consider myself a humble student and definitely neither as an

enlightened person nor as a fool. I never use the prefixes

like `Lord' `Sri' etc to myself. Using `Sri', while addressing

others, is a very normal expression of respect. You have also signed

only as `Sreenadh' and I do not take it amiss. In which page, this

phrase, " **lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya

chiranjeevi naidu " has appeared? Please tell me.

>

> I searched in vain. I do not remember to have used this phrase

in the file I sent to you, leave alone using it as a personal

reference to me.

>

> I have placed the facts truthfully. Whether you take back your

comments or not – it does not matter anything to me.

>

> With kind regards,

>

> K S Venkataraman

>

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Venkataraman ji,

> Thanks for the message.

>

> This group is not limited to Vedic Astrology alone - as you may

know

> vedas depend more on stellar astrology and Sayana system, even

though

> Nirayana zodiac gets mentioned occasionally.

> Equal to Vedic astrology we cherish the Non-Vedic (call it Tantric)

> foundations of Astrology as well, which was denied of its due

credit

> through the centuries, even though almost the whole of Nirayana

> System is based on the same.

> Not only that we also value the Budha/Jain/Yavana contributions to

> astrology as well - which are neither Vedic nor Tantric in nature.

>

> You might have noted that this group is outside the Vedic category

> of . This group is listed under: " Religion & Beliefs >

> Divination > Astrology " And NOT under: " Religion & Beliefs >

> Divination > Astrology > Vedic " under which most of other astrology

> groups are listed.

>

> Can you please elaborate How Karma theory is dealt within Vedas? (I

> mean Vedas and not Upanishads or any other allied literature). It

> would helpful for us to understand it in the 'Vedic astrology'

> context.

>

> By the way, I have seen the wordings used in your uploaded file:

> " **lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi

naidu "

> Can you explain this " lord " and " sri " added in from of " your " (?)

> name?

> I thought that these are revered words which normal humble human

> being will not dare to use to address themselves. Either an

> enlightened person, or a fool who demands to get respected as an

> enlightened person will use the same. In which of these categories

> this use fall I don't know - can you clarify? Or is it some actual

> lord (god) in some temple? (in which case I take back these

comments)

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " K(umbakonam) S

> (ambasiva) Venkataraman " <venkataramanks7@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > Pranams.

> >

> > Thank you very much for having invited me to join this group. I

am

> > honored to be with you all in this group, addressing one of the

> most

> > valuable branches of knowledge inherited by us as part of Vedic

> > Culture.

> >

> > As I a student of Astrology and also as the Editor of the English

E-

> > magazine Nitya Kalyan, deidcated to spreading knowledge on Vedic

> > Heritage, Devotional Literature, True Values of Life and

Principles

> > of Self Development, I am sure that the company of all of you is

> > going to be personally very beneficial to me and I shall also try

> to

> > make it mutally beneficial.

> >

> > Just I want to share some of my thoughts in this introductory

> > message with the learned members of this group.

> >

> > (1) Vedic Astrology is considered a limb of the Vedas. A limb

> cannot

> > survive in isolation. A broad understanding of the Vedic culture

> and

> > its fundamental principles like transmigration of soul, moksha,

> > karma and so on is essential if the Veidc Astrology should make

any

> > sense to the student and practitioner as well.

> >

> > (2) The value of our devotional literature is great for the

science

> > of Astrology. Its practical relevance in dealing with the impact

of

> > the past karma, regulating the present karma and cultivating

ideal

> > future karma, needs to be understood and appreciated perfectly

for

> > duly appreciating the managerial aspects of Vedic Astrology.

> >

> > (3) In disciplining our present activities and molding the right

> > mental attitude of 'arppana' and 'thyaga' our needhi sastras play

a

> > very useful role.

> >

> > (4) Last but not the least, the principles of Self Development

> > should be clearly understood, if only we want to make the highly

> > efficacious astrological 'prayogas' work for us in the right

> > direction.

> >

> > A systematic study and application of the Astrology as a scinece

> > would definitely enable us cross the ocean of samsara

successfully

> > and attain all our purusharthas without fail.

> >

> > With kind regards,

> >

> > K S Venkataraman

> >

K.S.Venkataraman

>

>

>

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Dear Sri Sreenadhji, Pranams. Thanks for your reply. But I have not uploaded any file in the files section of this group. The only file I wanted to communicate to the learned members of this group was the one I attached to my message to them; and regarding which you have advised me to upload it in the files section of the group. I have not yet done it. Please find out the person who has actually uploaded the file with prefixes Lord, Sri and so on; and try to judge him if he is an enlightened person or fool. Thank God, I do not stand to be evaluated by you. With kind regards, K S VenkataramanSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Venkataraman ji,That was an informative good mail. I will respond to it in detail in another mail.As far as ""**lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi naidu" is concerned; it appears under the first image of "Welcome to the Group.doc" you uploaded in the files section of the forum.Love,Sreenadh , Kumbakonam Venkataraman <venkataramanks7 wrote:>> Dear Sri Sreenadh,> > Pranams.> > Thanks for your kind message. I think it is

good that you maintain a wider perception of Astrology. > > (1)> > Both Sayana and Nirayana systems were not extraneous to the Vedas. > > I find my concept of the Vedic Astrology is much inclusive but at the same time, I do deny the importance the various lines of thoughts mentioned by you, under the category `non-vedic'. > > I find that you are limiting your vision of Vedic Astrology to the Karma Khanda of the Vedas, excluding even the Upanishads. So you have a `non-vedic' section including Tantric concepts and the contributions of Bhuddism, Jainism etc,.> > For those who hold the view that the Vedas are universal, eternal, and exhaustive, this division would not be acceptable. The Vedas represent a whole, including the Upanishads. The Tantric concepts and the contributions of Bhuddism, Jainism and so on, did not originate from nothing; they emanated and got

evolved from the Vedic concepts. In fact, Sri Vivekananda traces many `sublime' vedantic thoughts in Tantras. He points out, "In fact, the Brahmanas portions of the Vedas were modified a little and incorporated into the body of the Tantras." (CW – Vol 3 The Religion We are Born In (page 458)> > Actually how we refer to a thing matters little. Rose smells as sweet by whatever name you call it.> > The theories and possibilities of their practice, matter the most. It is a Vedic inspiration to go in all directions in search of knowledge and truth. > > No authentic version of astrology denies the principle of Karma. Even when Sri Mahaveer denied the existence of God and Bhuddha was non-committal, the principle of Karma has not been rejected by any of them. The insistence on doing good things and loving other beings form the mainstay of the principle of Karma.> > And, birth is

not mere accident. It is a definite outcome of past karma. The most important objective of the Vedic way of life is `moksha' (inter alia release from the karmic bond), the objective of the Vedic Astrology (a limb of the Vedas) cannot be different. But if one wants to understand the relevance fully, he should be prepared to take on the Vedic Heritage as a whole and not in parts.> > (2)> > Now, I do not understand the following part of your message.> > By the way, I have seen the wordings used in your uploaded file:> "**lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi naidu"> Can you explain this "lord" and "sri" added in from of "your" (?) > name?> I thought that these are revered words which normal humble human > being will not dare to use to address themselves. Either an > enlightened person, or a fool who demands to get respected as an >

enlightened person will use the same. In which of these categories > this use fall I don't know - can you clarify? Or is it some actual > lord (god) in some temple? (in which case I take back these comments)> > > > I consider myself a humble student and definitely neither as an enlightened person nor as a fool. I never use the prefixes like `Lord' `Sri' etc to myself. Using `Sri', while addressing others, is a very normal expression of respect. You have also signed only as `Sreenadh' and I do not take it amiss. In which page, this phrase, "**lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi naidu" has appeared? Please tell me.> > I searched in vain. I do not remember to have used this phrase in the file I sent to you, leave alone using it as a personal reference to me.> > I have placed the facts truthfully. Whether you take back your comments or not – it

does not matter anything to me. > > With kind regards,> > K S Venkataraman> > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Venkataraman ji,> Thanks for the message.> > This group is not limited to Vedic Astrology alone - as you may know > vedas depend more on stellar astrology and Sayana system, even though > Nirayana zodiac gets mentioned occasionally.> Equal to Vedic astrology we cherish the Non-Vedic (call it Tantric) > foundations of Astrology as well, which was denied of its due credit > through the centuries, even though almost the whole of Nirayana > System is based on the same.> Not only that we also value the Budha/Jain/Yavana contributions to > astrology as well - which are neither Vedic nor Tantric in nature.> > You might have noted that this group is outside the Vedic category > of . This

group is listed under: "Religion & Beliefs > > Divination > Astrology" And NOT under: "Religion & Beliefs > > Divination > Astrology > Vedic" under which most of other astrology > groups are listed.> > Can you please elaborate How Karma theory is dealt within Vedas? (I > mean Vedas and not Upanishads or any other allied literature). It > would helpful for us to understand it in the 'Vedic astrology' > context.> > By the way, I have seen the wordings used in your uploaded file:> "**lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi naidu"> Can you explain this "lord" and "sri" added in from of "your" (?) > name?> I thought that these are revered words which normal humble human > being will not dare to use to address themselves. Either an > enlightened person, or a fool who demands to get respected as an > enlightened

person will use the same. In which of these categories > this use fall I don't know - can you clarify? Or is it some actual > lord (god) in some temple? (in which case I take back these comments)> Love,> Sreenadh> > , "K(umbakonam) S> (ambasiva) Venkataraman" <venkataramanks7@> wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> > > > Pranams.> > > > Thank you very much for having invited me to join this group. I am > > honored to be with you all in this group, addressing one of the > most > > valuable branches of knowledge inherited by us as part of Vedic > > Culture.> > > > As I a student of Astrology and also as the Editor of the English E-> > magazine Nitya Kalyan,

deidcated to spreading knowledge on Vedic > > Heritage, Devotional Literature, True Values of Life and Principles > > of Self Development, I am sure that the company of all of you is > > going to be personally very beneficial to me and I shall also try > to > > make it mutally beneficial.> > > > Just I want to share some of my thoughts in this introductory > > message with the learned members of this group.> > > > (1) Vedic Astrology is considered a limb of the Vedas. A limb > cannot > > survive in isolation. A broad understanding of the Vedic culture > and > > its fundamental principles like transmigration of soul, moksha, > > karma and so on is essential if the Veidc Astrology should make any > > sense to the student and practitioner as well.> > > > (2) The value of our devotional literature is

great for the science > > of Astrology. Its practical relevance in dealing with the impact of > > the past karma, regulating the present karma and cultivating ideal > > future karma, needs to be understood and appreciated perfectly for > > duly appreciating the managerial aspects of Vedic Astrology.> > > > (3) In disciplining our present activities and molding the right > > mental attitude of 'arppana' and 'thyaga' our needhi sastras play a > > very useful role.> > > > (4) Last but not the least, the principles of Self Development > > should be clearly understood, if only we want to make the highly > > efficacious astrological 'prayogas' work for us in the right > > direction.> > > > A systematic study and application of the Astrology as a scinece > > would definitely enable us cross the ocean of

samsara successfully > > and attain all our purusharthas without fail.> > > > With kind regards,> > > > K S Venkataraman> >> > > > > > > K.S.Venkataraman> > > > It's here! Your new message!> Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar.>K.S.Venkataraman

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Dear Venkataraman ji,

If so sorry for mail.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Kumbakonam

Venkataraman <venkataramanks7 wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Sreenadhji,

>

> Pranams.

>

> Thanks for your reply. But I have not uploaded any file in the

files section of this group. The only file I wanted to communicate to

the learned members of this group was the one I attached to my message

to them; and regarding which you have advised me to upload it in the

files section of the group. I have not yet done it.

>

> Please find out the person who has actually uploaded the file with

prefixes Lord, Sri and so on; and try to judge him if he is an

enlightened person or fool. Thank God, I do not stand to be evaluated

by you.

>

> With kind regards,

>

> K S Venkataraman

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Venkataraman ji,

> That was an informative good mail. I will respond to it in detail in

> another mail.

>

> As far as " " **lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya

> chiranjeevi naidu " is concerned; it appears under the first image

> of " Welcome to the Group.doc " you uploaded in the files section of

> the forum.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Kumbakonam

> Venkataraman <venkataramanks7@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri Sreenadh,

> >

> > Pranams.

> >

> > Thanks for your kind message. I think it is good that you

> maintain a wider perception of Astrology.

> >

> > (1)

> >

> > Both Sayana and Nirayana systems were not extraneous to the

> Vedas.

> >

> > I find my concept of the Vedic Astrology is much inclusive but at

> the same time, I do deny the importance the various lines of thoughts

> mentioned by you, under the category `non-vedic'.

> >

> > I find that you are limiting your vision of Vedic Astrology to

> the Karma Khanda of the Vedas, excluding even the Upanishads. So you

> have a `non-vedic' section including Tantric concepts and the

> contributions of Bhuddism, Jainism etc,.

> >

> > For those who hold the view that the Vedas are universal,

> eternal, and exhaustive, this division would not be acceptable. The

> Vedas represent a whole, including the Upanishads. The Tantric

> concepts and the contributions of Bhuddism, Jainism and so on, did

> not originate from nothing; they emanated and got evolved from the

> Vedic concepts. In fact, Sri Vivekananda traces many `sublime'

> vedantic thoughts in Tantras. He points out, " In fact, the Brahmanas

> portions of the Vedas were modified a little and incorporated into

> the body of the Tantras. " (CW – Vol 3 The Religion We are Born In

> (page 458)

> >

> > Actually how we refer to a thing matters little. Rose smells as

> sweet by whatever name you call it.

> >

> > The theories and possibilities of their practice, matter the

> most. It is a Vedic inspiration to go in all directions in search of

> knowledge and truth.

> >

> > No authentic version of astrology denies the principle of Karma.

> Even when Sri Mahaveer denied the existence of God and Bhuddha was

> non-committal, the principle of Karma has not been rejected by any of

> them. The insistence on doing good things and loving other beings

> form the mainstay of the principle of Karma.

> >

> > And, birth is not mere accident. It is a definite outcome of past

> karma. The most important objective of the Vedic way of life

> is `moksha' (inter alia release from the karmic bond), the objective

> of the Vedic Astrology (a limb of the Vedas) cannot be different. But

> if one wants to understand the relevance fully, he should be prepared

> to take on the Vedic Heritage as a whole and not in parts.

> >

> > (2)

> >

> > Now, I do not understand the following part of your message.

> >

> > By the way, I have seen the wordings used in your uploaded file:

> > " **lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi

> naidu "

> > Can you explain this " lord " and " sri " added in from of " your " (?)

> > name?

> > I thought that these are revered words which normal humble human

> > being will not dare to use to address themselves. Either an

> > enlightened person, or a fool who demands to get respected as an

> > enlightened person will use the same. In which of these categories

> > this use fall I don't know - can you clarify? Or is it some actual

> > lord (god) in some temple? (in which case I take back these

> comments)

> >

> >

> >

> > I consider myself a humble student and definitely neither as an

> enlightened person nor as a fool. I never use the prefixes

> like `Lord' `Sri' etc to myself. Using `Sri', while addressing

> others, is a very normal expression of respect. You have also signed

> only as `Sreenadh' and I do not take it amiss. In which page, this

> phrase, " **lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya

> chiranjeevi naidu " has appeared? Please tell me.

> >

> > I searched in vain. I do not remember to have used this phrase

> in the file I sent to you, leave alone using it as a personal

> reference to me.

> >

> > I have placed the facts truthfully. Whether you take back your

> comments or not – it does not matter anything to me.

> >

> > With kind regards,

> >

> > K S Venkataraman

> >

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > Thanks for the message.

> >

> > This group is not limited to Vedic Astrology alone - as you may

> know

> > vedas depend more on stellar astrology and Sayana system, even

> though

> > Nirayana zodiac gets mentioned occasionally.

> > Equal to Vedic astrology we cherish the Non-Vedic (call it Tantric)

> > foundations of Astrology as well, which was denied of its due

> credit

> > through the centuries, even though almost the whole of Nirayana

> > System is based on the same.

> > Not only that we also value the Budha/Jain/Yavana contributions to

> > astrology as well - which are neither Vedic nor Tantric in nature.

> >

> > You might have noted that this group is outside the Vedic category

> > of . This group is listed under: " Religion & Beliefs >

> > Divination > Astrology " And NOT under: " Religion & Beliefs >

> > Divination > Astrology > Vedic " under which most of other astrology

> > groups are listed.

> >

> > Can you please elaborate How Karma theory is dealt within Vedas? (I

> > mean Vedas and not Upanishads or any other allied literature). It

> > would helpful for us to understand it in the 'Vedic astrology'

> > context.

> >

> > By the way, I have seen the wordings used in your uploaded file:

> > " **lord sri venkateswara swami venkayalapati surya chiranjeevi

> naidu "

> > Can you explain this " lord " and " sri " added in from of " your " (?)

> > name?

> > I thought that these are revered words which normal humble human

> > being will not dare to use to address themselves. Either an

> > enlightened person, or a fool who demands to get respected as an

> > enlightened person will use the same. In which of these categories

> > this use fall I don't know - can you clarify? Or is it some actual

> > lord (god) in some temple? (in which case I take back these

> comments)

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " K(umbakonam) S

> > (ambasiva) Venkataraman " <venkataramanks7@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > Pranams.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for having invited me to join this group. I

> am

> > > honored to be with you all in this group, addressing one of the

> > most

> > > valuable branches of knowledge inherited by us as part of Vedic

> > > Culture.

> > >

> > > As I a student of Astrology and also as the Editor of the English

> E-

> > > magazine Nitya Kalyan, deidcated to spreading knowledge on Vedic

> > > Heritage, Devotional Literature, True Values of Life and

> Principles

> > > of Self Development, I am sure that the company of all of you is

> > > going to be personally very beneficial to me and I shall also try

> > to

> > > make it mutally beneficial.

> > >

> > > Just I want to share some of my thoughts in this introductory

> > > message with the learned members of this group.

> > >

> > > (1) Vedic Astrology is considered a limb of the Vedas. A limb

> > cannot

> > > survive in isolation. A broad understanding of the Vedic culture

> > and

> > > its fundamental principles like transmigration of soul, moksha,

> > > karma and so on is essential if the Veidc Astrology should make

> any

> > > sense to the student and practitioner as well.

> > >

> > > (2) The value of our devotional literature is great for the

> science

> > > of Astrology. Its practical relevance in dealing with the impact

> of

> > > the past karma, regulating the present karma and cultivating

> ideal

> > > future karma, needs to be understood and appreciated perfectly

> for

> > > duly appreciating the managerial aspects of Vedic Astrology.

> > >

> > > (3) In disciplining our present activities and molding the right

> > > mental attitude of 'arppana' and 'thyaga' our needhi sastras play

> a

> > > very useful role.

> > >

> > > (4) Last but not the least, the principles of Self Development

> > > should be clearly understood, if only we want to make the highly

> > > efficacious astrological 'prayogas' work for us in the right

> > > direction.

> > >

> > > A systematic study and application of the Astrology as a scinece

> > > would definitely enable us cross the ocean of samsara

> successfully

> > > and attain all our purusharthas without fail.

> > >

> > > With kind regards,

> > >

> > > K S Venkataraman

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > K.S.Venkataraman

> >

> >

> >

> > It's here! Your new message!

> > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar.

> >

K.S.Venkataraman

>

>

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