Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: Dear Sreenadh, The discussion is quite interesting but the evidence of the shlokas in BPHS appears to point to another period. Did you get the shloka indicating Parashara being alive at the time of Yudhishthira? It also appears in Sitaram Jha edition at Adhyaaya 42. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sreenadh wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji, > I just searched for the mail I wrote about " The period of Parasara " > in vedic astrology group. It is given below. > Love, > Sreenadh > > > Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote: > > Dear Mohan ji, > > You asked: > > > the first thing I would like to know is how you > > > have arrived at the conclusions that Parashara Samhita > > > is of 1500 BCE. > > > The following is my answer to that question: > > ================================ (Start of article) > > Period of Parasara > > --------------------- > > When Parasara, the author of Parasara Sidhantha, Parasara Samhitha > and > > Parasara Hora lived? Is it near to Mahabharatha period, which as > per > > some scholars is near to BC. 3100? > > Or are these texts are written by some Parasara of the Parasara > Kula > > of later age? > > It is a known fact that this Parasara is the son of the Rishi > called > > Sakthi who was also a well known person who wrote texts related to > > Astrology. There is a sloka in Parasara Samhita (quoted in the > Vyakhya > > of Varaha Hora by Bhattolpala), which helps us in determining the > > period of Parasara, the author of BPHS. The sloka is quoted below: > > Srevishtadyath poushnantham charatha sisiraH > > VasanthaH poushnanthyath rohinyantham > > Soumyadyath sarpardham greeshmaH > > Pravid sarpardhath dhasthantham > > Chithradyath indrardham sarth > > Hemantho Jyeshardhath vaishnavantham > > (Parasara Samhitha) > > This sloka indicates that at the time of Parasara, Utharayana was > > from the beginning of Dhanishta to the middle of Aslesha. That > > happened near to BC.1400 as per astronomical calculations. > Therefore > > it is sure that Parasara Samhitha was written around the period BC. > > 1400. Now the question is, can we be sure that Parasara Hora and > > Parasara Sidhantha was written by the same person? Yes, because it > is > > said that Parasara wrote 3 books on astrology - Parasara Sidhanta, > > Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora. How? What is the proof? In the > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara > Hora. > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3 > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3 > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora. > > [The game of time and space are curious. I have 3 scholars in my > mind > > while saying this - Bhattolpala (10th Century), Kaikulangara (17th > > Century) and Acharya Balabhadra (18th Century). Parasara Hora was > not > > seen by Bhattolpala but Parasara Samhitha, Kaikulangara has seen > > Parasara Hora but not Parasara Samhitha, Bhattolpala has seen Gargi > > Hora but not Kaikulangara, Balabhadra and Kaikulangara has seen > Soura > > Hora (also known as Suryarunasamvadam or Sourajathakam) but not > > Bhattolpala. It all just means that some texts that were not > available > > in some parts of the country were available at some other parts of > the > > country at the same time. This may be the only cause due to which > > Bhattolpala failed to see a copy of Parasara Hora.] > > Now the question comes, Is this the Parasara who was the originator > > of Parasara Kula? No, because in Mahabharatha period (may be BC. > 3100) > > as well one Parasara lived. In Brihadaranyopanishad, while > describing > > the Acharya Paramparas the Rishi speaks about 3 Prarasaryas and 2 > > Parasaryayanas. It reveals that like the Sankaracharyas of today, > > everybody of Parasara Kula (Guru-Sishya Parampara) was known as > > Parasara. The Rishi Kulas are some what similar to the Universities > of > > today, it just shows the continuity of Teacher-Student relationship > > (Guru-Sishya parampara). While describing the 18 Acharyas (Acharya > > Kulas) of astrology, Parasara says: > > Viswasrishta narado vyaso vasishtotri parasara > > Lomaso yevanaH suryaschevanaH kasyapo bhrigu > > Pulasthyo manuracharyaH poulisa sounakongiraH > > Gargo mareechirithyethe jcheya jyothiH prevarthaka > > (Parasara Hora) > > See that in this list one Parasara is also mentioned. Parasara is > not > > going to mention his own name in a book written by him. That means > > here Parasara is remembering the originator of Parasara Kula who > also > > meditated on astrology and propagated this wisdom. Then we could > think > > that probably the Parasara of Mahabharatha period also knew about > > astrology. > > Another point to be noted is that Parasara (of BC.1400), also > > mentions the name of Yevana (Yevanacharya). This Yevanacharya > cannot > > be Sphujidwaja or Meenaraja who lived after the period of Alexander > > who invaded India. This Yevanacharya should be the originator of > > Yevana Kula of astrology, who lived prior to BC.1400. Probably > > Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja were the students of this branch of > > astrology. > > I derive 2 conclusions from the above details: > > 1) Parasara who wrote BPHS lived around BC.1400 > > 2) Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja are the followers of > Yevanacharyas > > system of astrology and that is why text written by them are known > as > > Yevana Horas. > > ================================(End of article) > > > ------ > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Dear members, Namaskar! It has been said <n the > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara > > Hora. > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3 > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3 > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora.> In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a hearsay! Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination that there really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even prior to that era! The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a dozen a dime are all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS does not agree with another! For further details, please log on to HinduCalendar. Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group. Dhanyavad. AKK , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > > The discussion is quite interesting but the evidence of the shlokas in > BPHS appears to point to another period. Did you get the shloka > indicating Parashara being alive at the time of Yudhishthira? It also > appears in Sitaram Jha edition at Adhyaaya 42. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Sreenadh wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji, > > I just searched for the mail I wrote about " The period of Parasara " > > in vedic astrology group. It is given below. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote: > > > Dear Mohan ji, > > > You asked: > > > > the first thing I would like to know is how you > > > > have arrived at the conclusions that Parashara Samhita > > > > is of 1500 BCE. > > > > > The following is my answer to that question: > > > ================================ (Start of article) > > > Period of Parasara > > > --------------------- > > > When Parasara, the author of Parasara Sidhantha, Parasara Samhitha > > and > > > Parasara Hora lived? Is it near to Mahabharatha period, which as > > per > > > some scholars is near to BC. 3100? > > > Or are these texts are written by some Parasara of the Parasara > > Kula > > > of later age? > > > It is a known fact that this Parasara is the son of the Rishi > > called > > > Sakthi who was also a well known person who wrote texts related to > > > Astrology. There is a sloka in Parasara Samhita (quoted in the > > Vyakhya > > > of Varaha Hora by Bhattolpala), which helps us in determining the > > > period of Parasara, the author of BPHS. The sloka is quoted below: > > > Srevishtadyath poushnantham charatha sisiraH > > > VasanthaH poushnanthyath rohinyantham > > > Soumyadyath sarpardham greeshmaH > > > Pravid sarpardhath dhasthantham > > > Chithradyath indrardham sarth > > > Hemantho Jyeshardhath vaishnavantham > > > (Parasara Samhitha) > > > This sloka indicates that at the time of Parasara, Utharayana was > > > from the beginning of Dhanishta to the middle of Aslesha. That > > > happened near to BC.1400 as per astronomical calculations. > > Therefore > > > it is sure that Parasara Samhitha was written around the period BC. > > > 1400. Now the question is, can we be sure that Parasara Hora and > > > Parasara Sidhantha was written by the same person? Yes, because it > > is > > > said that Parasara wrote 3 books on astrology - Parasara Sidhanta, > > > Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora. How? What is the proof? In the > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara > > Hora. > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3 > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3 > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora. > > > [The game of time and space are curious. I have 3 scholars in my > > mind > > > while saying this - Bhattolpala (10th Century), Kaikulangara (17th > > > Century) and Acharya Balabhadra (18th Century). Parasara Hora was > > not > > > seen by Bhattolpala but Parasara Samhitha, Kaikulangara has seen > > > Parasara Hora but not Parasara Samhitha, Bhattolpala has seen Gargi > > > Hora but not Kaikulangara, Balabhadra and Kaikulangara has seen > > Soura > > > Hora (also known as Suryarunasamvadam or Sourajathakam) but not > > > Bhattolpala. It all just means that some texts that were not > > available > > > in some parts of the country were available at some other parts of > > the > > > country at the same time. This may be the only cause due to which > > > Bhattolpala failed to see a copy of Parasara Hora.] > > > Now the question comes, Is this the Parasara who was the originator > > > of Parasara Kula? No, because in Mahabharatha period (may be BC. > > 3100) > > > as well one Parasara lived. In Brihadaranyopanishad, while > > describing > > > the Acharya Paramparas the Rishi speaks about 3 Prarasaryas and 2 > > > Parasaryayanas. It reveals that like the Sankaracharyas of today, > > > everybody of Parasara Kula (Guru-Sishya Parampara) was known as > > > Parasara. The Rishi Kulas are some what similar to the Universities > > of > > > today, it just shows the continuity of Teacher-Student relationship > > > (Guru-Sishya parampara). While describing the 18 Acharyas (Acharya > > > Kulas) of astrology, Parasara says: > > > Viswasrishta narado vyaso vasishtotri parasara > > > Lomaso yevanaH suryaschevanaH kasyapo bhrigu > > > Pulasthyo manuracharyaH poulisa sounakongiraH > > > Gargo mareechirithyethe jcheya jyothiH prevarthaka > > > (Parasara Hora) > > > See that in this list one Parasara is also mentioned. Parasara is > > not > > > going to mention his own name in a book written by him. That means > > > here Parasara is remembering the originator of Parasara Kula who > > also > > > meditated on astrology and propagated this wisdom. Then we could > > think > > > that probably the Parasara of Mahabharatha period also knew about > > > astrology. > > > Another point to be noted is that Parasara (of BC.1400), also > > > mentions the name of Yevana (Yevanacharya). This Yevanacharya > > cannot > > > be Sphujidwaja or Meenaraja who lived after the period of Alexander > > > who invaded India. This Yevanacharya should be the originator of > > > Yevana Kula of astrology, who lived prior to BC.1400. Probably > > > Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja were the students of this branch of > > > astrology. > > > I derive 2 conclusions from the above details: > > > 1) Parasara who wrote BPHS lived around BC.1400 > > > 2) Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja are the followers of > > Yevanacharyas > > > system of astrology and that is why text written by them are known > > as > > > Yevana Horas. > > > ================================(End of article) > > > > > > ------ > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: > 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Hi AKK, Prior to whipping off any meaningless controversy pertaining to the existence of Sage Parashara, you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got "Liberated One" : has its synonymn MAvtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen wrote: Dear members,Namaskar!It has been said<n the> > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says:> > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam> > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi.> > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya)> > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara> > Hora.> > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3> > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora).> > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3> > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora.>In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a hearsay!Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination thatthere really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even prior tothat era! The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a dozen a dimeare all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS does notagree with another!For further details, please log on toHinduCalendar.Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group.Dhanyavad.AKK , "Sreenadh"<sreesog wrote:>> , Chandrashekhar> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:> > Dear Sreenadh,> > The discussion is quite interesting but the evidence of the shlokas in > BPHS appears to point to another period. Did you get the shloka > indicating Parashara being alive at the time of Yudhishthira? It also > appears in Sitaram Jha edition at Adhyaaya 42.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > Sreenadh wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,> > I just searched for the mail I wrote about "The period of Parasara"> > in vedic astrology group. It is given below.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> > > Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:> > > Dear Mohan ji,> > > You asked:> > > > the first thing I would like to know is how you> > > > have arrived at the conclusions that Parashara Samhita> > > > is of 1500 BCE.> >> > > The following is my answer to that question:> > > ================================ (Start of article)> > > Period of Parasara> > > ---------------------> > > When Parasara, the author of Parasara Sidhantha, Parasara Samhitha> > and> > > Parasara Hora lived? Is it near to Mahabharatha period, which as> > per> > > some scholars is near to BC. 3100?> > > Or are these texts are written by some Parasara of the Parasara> > Kula> > > of later age?> > > It is a known fact that this Parasara is the son of the Rishi> > called> > > Sakthi who was also a well known person who wrote texts related to> > > Astrology. There is a sloka in Parasara Samhita (quoted in the> > Vyakhya> > > of Varaha Hora by Bhattolpala), which helps us in determining the> > > period of Parasara, the author of BPHS. The sloka is quoted below:> > > Srevishtadyath poushnantham charatha sisiraH> > > VasanthaH poushnanthyath rohinyantham> > > Soumyadyath sarpardham greeshmaH> > > Pravid sarpardhath dhasthantham> > > Chithradyath indrardham sarth> > > Hemantho Jyeshardhath vaishnavantham> > > (Parasara Samhitha)> > > This sloka indicates that at the time of Parasara, Utharayana was> > > from the beginning of Dhanishta to the middle of Aslesha. That> > > happened near to BC.1400 as per astronomical calculations.> > Therefore> > > it is sure that Parasara Samhitha was written around the period BC.> > > 1400. Now the question is, can we be sure that Parasara Hora and> > > Parasara Sidhantha was written by the same person? Yes, because it> > is> > > said that Parasara wrote 3 books on astrology - Parasara Sidhanta,> > > Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora. How? What is the proof? In the> > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says:> > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam> > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi.> > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya)> > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara> > Hora.> > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3> > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora).> > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3> > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora.> > > [The game of time and space are curious. I have 3 scholars in my> > mind> > > while saying this - Bhattolpala (10th Century), Kaikulangara (17th> > > Century) and Acharya Balabhadra (18th Century). Parasara Hora was> > not> > > seen by Bhattolpala but Parasara Samhitha, Kaikulangara has seen> > > Parasara Hora but not Parasara Samhitha, Bhattolpala has seen Gargi> > > Hora but not Kaikulangara, Balabhadra and Kaikulangara has seen> > Soura> > > Hora (also known as Suryarunasamvadam or Sourajathakam) but not> > > Bhattolpala. It all just means that some texts that were not> > available> > > in some parts of the country were available at some other parts of> > the> > > country at the same time. This may be the only cause due to which> > > Bhattolpala failed to see a copy of Parasara Hora.]> > > Now the question comes, Is this the Parasara who was the originator> > > of Parasara Kula? No, because in Mahabharatha period (may be BC.> > 3100)> > > as well one Parasara lived. In Brihadaranyopanishad, while> > describing> > > the Acharya Paramparas the Rishi speaks about 3 Prarasaryas and 2> > > Parasaryayanas. It reveals that like the Sankaracharyas of today,> > > everybody of Parasara Kula (Guru-Sishya Parampara) was known as> > > Parasara. The Rishi Kulas are some what similar to the Universities> > of> > > today, it just shows the continuity of Teacher-Student relationship> > > (Guru-Sishya parampara). While describing the 18 Acharyas (Acharya> > > Kulas) of astrology, Parasara says:> > > Viswasrishta narado vyaso vasishtotri parasara> > > Lomaso yevanaH suryaschevanaH kasyapo bhrigu> > > Pulasthyo manuracharyaH poulisa sounakongiraH> > > Gargo mareechirithyethe jcheya jyothiH prevarthaka> > > (Parasara Hora)> > > See that in this list one Parasara is also mentioned. Parasara is> > not> > > going to mention his own name in a book written by him. That means> > > here Parasara is remembering the originator of Parasara Kula who> > also> > > meditated on astrology and propagated this wisdom. Then we could> > think> > > that probably the Parasara of Mahabharatha period also knew about> > > astrology.> > > Another point to be noted is that Parasara (of BC.1400), also> > > mentions the name of Yevana (Yevanacharya). This Yevanacharya> > cannot> > > be Sphujidwaja or Meenaraja who lived after the period of Alexander> > > who invaded India. This Yevanacharya should be the originator of> > > Yevana Kula of astrology, who lived prior to BC.1400. Probably> > > Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja were the students of this branch of> > > astrology.> > > I derive 2 conclusions from the above details:> > > 1) Parasara who wrote BPHS lived around BC.1400> > > 2) Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja are the followers of> > Yevanacharyas> > > system of astrology and that is why text written by them are known> > as> > > Yevana Horas.> > > ================================(End of article)> >> > > >-------------------------> >> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date:> 6/4/2007 6:43 PM> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Hi, Madhu ji, It appears my English is very " poor " since I cannot understand what you mean by <you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got " Liberated One " : has its synonymn> Would you kindly be my " English Pandit (or is it 'Pundit'?) " and explain to me the meaning of the above sentence. AKK , Madhu Nair <balagurusurya wrote: > > Hi AKK, > Prior to whipping off any meaningless controversy pertaining to the existence of Sage Parashara, you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got " Liberated One " : has its synonymn > > M > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen wrote: > Dear members, > Namaskar! > It has been said > <n the > > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara > > > Hora. > > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3 > > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3 > > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora.> > > In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a hearsay! > Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination that > there really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even prior to > that era! > > The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a dozen a dime > are all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS does not > agree with another! > > For further details, please log on to > HinduCalendar. > > Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group. > Dhanyavad. > AKK > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Dear Kaul ji, It is good to see you here. To those who don't know him I will introduce - He is a very knowledgeable individual who argues that the Vedic astrology is Sayana in nature. He even denays the word 'Vedic Astrology' and tells us that only 'Vedic Astronomy' coupled with 'Calendar System' for determining 'Auspecious Muhurtas' was there. Even though I don't agree with most of his arguments - the knowledge and info pored in is really valuable. We had a debate in Vedic-astrology group about the Period of parasara, a long time back. (I think in VA forum it was Krishnan ji himself writing even though the id used was Mahan Jyotishi). Welcome to this, and thanks for the friendship, info and knowledge pored in even though we agree to disagree, agree to agree, or disagree to disagree. Love, Sreenadh , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <a_krishen wrote: > > Dear members, > Namaskar! > It has been said > <n the > > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara > > > Hora. > > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3 > > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3 > > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora.> > > In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a hearsay! > Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination that > there really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even prior to > that era! > > The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a dozen a dime > are all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS does not > agree with another! > > For further details, please log on to > HinduCalendar. > > Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group. > Dhanyavad. > AKK > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > The discussion is quite interesting but the evidence of the shlokas in > > BPHS appears to point to another period. Did you get the shloka > > indicating Parashara being alive at the time of Yudhishthira? It also > > appears in Sitaram Jha edition at Adhyaaya 42. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Sreenadh wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji, > > > I just searched for the mail I wrote about " The period of Parasara " > > > in vedic astrology group. It is given below. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote: > > > > Dear Mohan ji, > > > > You asked: > > > > > the first thing I would like to know is how you > > > > > have arrived at the conclusions that Parashara Samhita > > > > > is of 1500 BCE. > > > > > > > The following is my answer to that question: > > > > ================================ (Start of article) > > > > Period of Parasara > > > > --------------------- > > > > When Parasara, the author of Parasara Sidhantha, Parasara Samhitha > > > and > > > > Parasara Hora lived? Is it near to Mahabharatha period, which as > > > per > > > > some scholars is near to BC. 3100? > > > > Or are these texts are written by some Parasara of the Parasara > > > Kula > > > > of later age? > > > > It is a known fact that this Parasara is the son of the Rishi > > > called > > > > Sakthi who was also a well known person who wrote texts related to > > > > Astrology. There is a sloka in Parasara Samhita (quoted in the > > > Vyakhya > > > > of Varaha Hora by Bhattolpala), which helps us in determining the > > > > period of Parasara, the author of BPHS. The sloka is quoted below: > > > > Srevishtadyath poushnantham charatha sisiraH > > > > VasanthaH poushnanthyath rohinyantham > > > > Soumyadyath sarpardham greeshmaH > > > > Pravid sarpardhath dhasthantham > > > > Chithradyath indrardham sarth > > > > Hemantho Jyeshardhath vaishnavantham > > > > (Parasara Samhitha) > > > > This sloka indicates that at the time of Parasara, Utharayana was > > > > from the beginning of Dhanishta to the middle of Aslesha. That > > > > happened near to BC.1400 as per astronomical calculations. > > > Therefore > > > > it is sure that Parasara Samhitha was written around the period BC. > > > > 1400. Now the question is, can we be sure that Parasara Hora and > > > > Parasara Sidhantha was written by the same person? Yes, because it > > > is > > > > said that Parasara wrote 3 books on astrology - Parasara Sidhanta, > > > > Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora. How? What is the proof? In the > > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara > > > Hora. > > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3 > > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3 > > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora. > > > > [The game of time and space are curious. I have 3 scholars in my > > > mind > > > > while saying this - Bhattolpala (10th Century), Kaikulangara (17th > > > > Century) and Acharya Balabhadra (18th Century). Parasara Hora was > > > not > > > > seen by Bhattolpala but Parasara Samhitha, Kaikulangara has seen > > > > Parasara Hora but not Parasara Samhitha, Bhattolpala has seen Gargi > > > > Hora but not Kaikulangara, Balabhadra and Kaikulangara has seen > > > Soura > > > > Hora (also known as Suryarunasamvadam or Sourajathakam) but not > > > > Bhattolpala. It all just means that some texts that were not > > > available > > > > in some parts of the country were available at some other parts of > > > the > > > > country at the same time. This may be the only cause due to which > > > > Bhattolpala failed to see a copy of Parasara Hora.] > > > > Now the question comes, Is this the Parasara who was the originator > > > > of Parasara Kula? No, because in Mahabharatha period (may be BC. > > > 3100) > > > > as well one Parasara lived. In Brihadaranyopanishad, while > > > describing > > > > the Acharya Paramparas the Rishi speaks about 3 Prarasaryas and 2 > > > > Parasaryayanas. It reveals that like the Sankaracharyas of today, > > > > everybody of Parasara Kula (Guru-Sishya Parampara) was known as > > > > Parasara. The Rishi Kulas are some what similar to the Universities > > > of > > > > today, it just shows the continuity of Teacher-Student relationship > > > > (Guru-Sishya parampara). While describing the 18 Acharyas (Acharya > > > > Kulas) of astrology, Parasara says: > > > > Viswasrishta narado vyaso vasishtotri parasara > > > > Lomaso yevanaH suryaschevanaH kasyapo bhrigu > > > > Pulasthyo manuracharyaH poulisa sounakongiraH > > > > Gargo mareechirithyethe jcheya jyothiH prevarthaka > > > > (Parasara Hora) > > > > See that in this list one Parasara is also mentioned. Parasara is > > > not > > > > going to mention his own name in a book written by him. That means > > > > here Parasara is remembering the originator of Parasara Kula who > > > also > > > > meditated on astrology and propagated this wisdom. Then we could > > > think > > > > that probably the Parasara of Mahabharatha period also knew about > > > > astrology. > > > > Another point to be noted is that Parasara (of BC.1400), also > > > > mentions the name of Yevana (Yevanacharya). This Yevanacharya > > > cannot > > > > be Sphujidwaja or Meenaraja who lived after the period of Alexander > > > > who invaded India. This Yevanacharya should be the originator of > > > > Yevana Kula of astrology, who lived prior to BC.1400. Probably > > > > Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja were the students of this branch of > > > > astrology. > > > > I derive 2 conclusions from the above details: > > > > 1) Parasara who wrote BPHS lived around BC.1400 > > > > 2) Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja are the followers of > > > Yevanacharyas > > > > system of astrology and that is why text written by them are known > > > as > > > > Yevana Horas. > > > > ================================(End of article) > > > > > > > > > > -- ---- > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: > > 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Dear Madhu ji, Kaul ji, Let us please stick to subject rather than fighting each other. Let everybody hold their unique opinion - it is only the logical presentation of arguments, and its trustworthiness, that matters. Of course the discussion should be informative and useful to the members of the group as well. Everything else secondary. It is only in the presence of light that the mirrors shine. It is because the Vedic lierature, Tantric literature, Budha and Jain literature is there - we can learn and talk about the same; and gain something from the valuable knowledge they impart. It is because the Astrology and Astronomy literature it there (provided to us by the ancient and medieval sages and authors) that we can talk about the same; and try to verify its usefulness. So let us bow to those great ancestors - and debate, agree, disagree or what ever - but be friendly at the end. But remember, being an astrology forum, some thread should proceed with the discussion of astrology, even though some may divert due to discussions about history/astronomy/sayana/nirarya or any other controversy. But please respect each other and the knowledge - except in unavoidable situations, avoid comments that could be personal. Love, Sreenadh , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <a_krishen wrote: > > Hi, Madhu ji, > It appears my English is very " poor " since I cannot understand what > you mean by > <you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure > whether the word Parashara has got " Liberated One " : has its synonymn> > Would you kindly be my " English Pandit (or is it 'Pundit'?) " and > explain to me the meaning of the above sentence. > AKK > , Madhu Nair > <balagurusurya@> wrote: > > > > Hi AKK, > > Prior to whipping off any meaningless controversy pertaining to > the existence of Sage Parashara, you should first consult a genuine > Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got > " Liberated One " : has its synonymn > > > > M > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen@> wrote: > > Dear members, > > Namaskar! > > It has been said > > <n the > > > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara > > > > Hora. > > > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3 > > > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3 > > > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara > Hora.> > > > > In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a hearsay! > > Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination that > > there really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even prior to > > that era! > > > > The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a dozen a dime > > are all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS does not > > agree with another! > > > > For further details, please log on to > > HinduCalendar. > > > > Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group. > > Dhanyavad. > > AKK > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Hi, I never Knew Dr Samuel Johnson had taken a new Avathar to teach vocabulary to members of sreenad's list.After utter failure of their ephemeris , perhaps the Avathars has now decided to teach English. Pedants like you are the "REAL LIABILTY " to Vedanga Jyotish MAvtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen wrote: Hi, Madhu ji,It appears my English is very "poor" since I cannot understand whatyou mean by<you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got "Liberated One" : has its synonymn>Would you kindly be my "English Pandit (or is it 'Pundit'?)" andexplain to me the meaning of the above sentence. AKK , Madhu Nair<balagurusurya wrote:>> Hi AKK,> Prior to whipping off any meaningless controversy pertaining to the existence of Sage Parashara, you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got"Liberated One" : has its synonymn> > M> > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen wrote:> Dear members,> Namaskar!> It has been said> <n the> > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says:> > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam> > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi.> > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya)> > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara> > > Hora.> > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3> > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora).> > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3> > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and ParasaraHora.>> > In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a hearsay!> Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination that> there really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even prior to> that era! > > The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a dozen a dime> are all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS does not> agree with another!> > For further details, please log on to> HinduCalendar.> > Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group.> Dhanyavad.> AKK> , "Sreenadh"> <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Know how! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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