Fwd: Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about Vedic astrology (to Mohan ji)

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

I am forwarding some mails that appeared in Vedic astrology group.

In a contraversy in which, the ids used were possibly -

Mohan Jyotishi - Krishnan Kaul

sreelid - Sreenadh (Me)

Surya Rao - Chandra Hari

 

Just enjoy those debates!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

vedic astrology , Surya Rao <suryarao12>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> " Mohan Jyotishi " - name is a misnomer like " Vedic Astrology " -

Mohan

Jyotishi is not a so called Jyotishi practising astrology. He is a

good astronomer and well read in all scriptures and thorough with the

history of astronomy, Vedic, Babylonian, Parasara and Varaha, Garga

etc. So he knows the time when Vedanga Jyotisha came into existence

and the quote given of solstitial points. He is a master in the

history of the so called Vedic Astronomy and so he is trying to

derive

some intellectual happiness here by lighting up the astrologers.

>

> So your painstaking efforts cannot convince him that Parasara was

of

1500 BC. 1500 BC is the date of Rgveda in India according to standard

research. Harappa- Mohenjodaro (in the name of some past Mohan

Jyotishi?)/Sindhu Sarasvati Dravid civilization prevailed up to 1900

BC before the decline. Archaeology supports such conclusions. Vedic

claim of Sanskrit glossary in Indus seals is being proclaimed as a

fraud by Hindu and some internet resources. You can make a search of

Indus script and see the web pages of reputed Oxford researchers who

condemn the greatest discovery of Vedic India.

>

> So as on date the accepted notions place the maximum antiquity of

Vedic India at 1500 BC when nomads invaded India - according to

Romila

Thapar.

>

> So how can Parasara Samhita belong to 1500 BC? Mohan Jyotishi knows

all Sanskrit astronomical works. You can see shades of Kashmiri Vedic

background in his writings asin the case of Sri Avtar Krishen Kaul.

>

> To counter Mohanji, you have to find some Samhita OR Siddhanta in

Prakrt or Pisachi scripts. Lot more of research is required.

>

> Surya Rao

>

>

>

>

>

> Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

> Dear Mohan ji,

> (This mail is a continuation of my previous mail to you)

> You asked:

> > the first thing I would like to know is how you

> > have arrived at the conclusions that Parashara Samhita

> > is of 1500 BCE.

> The following is my answer to that question:

> ================================ (Start of article)

> Period of Parasara

> ---------------------

> When Parasara, the author of Parasara Sidhantha, Parasara Samhitha

and

> Parasara Hora lived? Is it near to Mahabharatha period, which as

per

> some scholars is near to BC. 3100?

> Or are these texts are written by some Parasara of the Parasara

Kula

> of later age?

> It is a known fact that this Parasara is the son of the Rishi

called

> Sakthi who was also a well known person who wrote texts related to

> Astrology. There is a sloka in Parasara Samhita (quoted in the

Vyakhya

> of Varaha Hora by Bhattolpala), which helps us in determining the

> period of Parasara, the author of BPHS. The sloka is quoted below:

> Srevishtadyath poushnantham charatha sisiraH

> VasanthaH poushnanthyath rohinyantham

> Soumyadyath sarpardham greeshmaH

> Pravid sarpardhath dhasthantham

> Chithradyath indrardham sarth

> Hemantho Jyeshardhath vaishnavantham

> (Parasara Samhitha)

> This sloka indicates that at the time of Parasara, Utharayana was

> from the beginning of Dhanishta to the middle of Aslesha. That

> happened near to BC.1400 as per astronomical calculations.

Therefore

> it is sure that Parasara Samhitha was written around the period BC.

> 1400. Now the question is, can we be sure that Parasara Hora and

> Parasara Sidhantha was written by the same person? Yes, because it

is

> said that Parasara wrote 3 books on astrology - Parasara Sidhanta,

> Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora. How? What is the proof? In the

> Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says:

> Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam

> Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi.

> (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya)

> Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara

Hora.

> But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3

> skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora).

> From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3

> books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora.

> [The game of time and space are curious. I have 3 scholars in my

mind

> while saying this - Bhattolpala (10th Century), Kaikulangara (17th

> Century) and Acharya Balabhadra (18th Century). Parasara Hora was

not

> seen by Bhattolpala but Parasara Samhitha, Kaikulangara has seen

> Parasara Hora but not Parasara Samhitha, Bhattolpala has seen Gargi

> Hora but not Kaikulangara, Balabhadra and Kaikulangara has seen

Soura

> Hora (also known as Suryarunasamvadam or Sourajathakam) but not

> Bhattolpala. It all just means that some texts that were not

available

> in some parts of the country were available at some other parts of

the

> country at the same time. This may be the only cause due to which

> Bhattolpala failed to see a copy of Parasara Hora.]

> Now the question comes, Is this the Parasara who was the originator

> of Parasara Kula? No, because in Mahabharatha period (may be BC.

3100)

> as well one Parasara lived. In Brihadaranyopanishad, while

describing

> the Acharya Paramparas the Rishi speaks about 3 Prarasaryas and 2

> Parasaryayanas. It reveals that like the Sankaracharyas of today,

> everybody of Parasara Kula (Guru-Sishya Parampara) was known as

> Parasara. The Rishi Kulas are some what similar to the Universities

of

> today, it just shows the continuity of Teacher-Student relationship

> (Guru-Sishya parampara). While describing the 18 Acharyas (Acharya

> Kulas) of astrology, Parasara says:

> Viswasrishta narado vyaso vasishtotri parasara

> Lomaso yevanaH suryaschevanaH kasyapo bhrigu

> Pulasthyo manuracharyaH poulisa sounakongiraH

> Gargo mareechirithyethe jcheya jyothiH prevarthaka

> (Parasara Hora)

> See that in this list one Parasara is also mentioned. Parasara is

not

> going to mention his own name in a book written by him. That means

> here Parasara is remembering the originator of Parasara Kula who

also

> meditated on astrology and propagated this wisdom. Then we could

think

> that probably the Parasara of Mahabharatha period also knew about

> astrology.

> Another point to be noted is that Parasara (of BC.1400), also

> mentions the name of Yevana (Yevanacharya). This Yevanacharya

cannot

> be Sphujidwaja or Meenaraja who lived after the period of Alexander

> who invaded India. This Yevanacharya should be the originator of

> Yevana Kula of astrology, who lived prior to BC.1400. Probably

> Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja were the students of this branch of

> astrology.

> I derive 2 conclusions from the above details:

> 1) Parasara who wrote BPHS lived around BC.1400

> 2) Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja are the followers of

Yevanacharyas

> system of astrology and that is why text written by them are known

as

> Yevana Horas.

> ================================(End of article)

>

> I am ready to change my views, if you are able to provide enough

> evidence (not secondary evidences in the from commentaries and

words

> of so called *scholers*, but primary evidence in the form of quotes

> form original books/valid historical evidences).

> > This is in fact an absolutely wrong

> > conclusion since as on date Lagadha's Vedanga

> > Jyotisha, also known as Rik Jotisha, is the earliest

> > Indian work on astronomy avilable anywhere in the

> > world. This is what Shankar Balakrishna Dikshit, the

> > scholar extraordinary on Indian astronomy, has said on

> > page 88 of English translation of his " Bharatiya Jyotish " .........

> In the light of the above knowledge, can you still say the same?!!

> Several translators may say several things! Forget all that, and

let

> us deal with the primary evidence, and let us deal with such

questions

> directly in our own way!!! We may have our own contributions to

make

> in several subjects, which at times may prove contradictory to the

> established notions.

> > Then Dr. S. Balachandra Rao,...............

> > Then Prof. T. S. Kuppanna Sastry,...........

> > Same is the view of....................

> As I told you, forget all these translators notes, and deal with

> available evidences directly!!....If you prove me wrong (logical

> errors, faulty evidence or the like), I would be thankful to you

and

> would be glad to correct my errors.

> BTW: Don't put so much issues and questions into a single mail. It

is

> becoming difficult to reply to them all in a single mail. But

surely,

> I am glad to be in this conversation, and respect your efforts.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> Message: 7

> Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:50:21 -0800 (PST)

> Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231>

> Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about " Vedic astrology "

>

> Dear Mr.Sreenadh,

> I have gone through most of your responses carefully.

> The first thing

> that is protruding like a sore thumb from your

> statements is:

> " You are supposed to be in the cave of the lions, and

> you proved that

> most of them are just paper lions! But beware of the

> real lions who

> are casually looking at such arguments with a lazy

> view, who have much

> arguments and proofs in store, and who could clearly

> see the logical

> errors in your arguments! "

>

> Honestly, it is not one lion fighting another nor is

> it a real lion

> fighting " paper lions " or even 'lazing lions " . It is

> not a fight

> between a lion and a lamb either! In fact, it is not

> a fight at all!

> It is not a north-south divide nor is

> it a NRK versus NR - ROI (ROI meaning the " rest of

> India " ). It is neither a show of one upmanship nor

> brinkmanship nor scholarship!

>

> It is just a discussion which is virtually free for

> all -- and the

> discusion is about the fact that the predictive system

> of astrology being

> tom-tomed as Vedic is not Vedic at all. It is not

> even the so called Hindu

> astrology either but it is just a system of

> predictions which was known as

> sidereal system till a few decades back and was

> rechiristened by some

> overseas " jyotishis " as Vedic so that they could earn

> their TA and DA etc.etc. for

> propagating something there as well as here!

>

> I must admit that this august forum calls itself

> " Vedic astrology " forum but in

> spite of that fact it is participating in the

> discussion against its very

> existence! It is a matter of courage and that is the

> real Vedic spirit.

>

> Almost evry member of this forum is participating in

> one way or the other i.e. either

> directly or indirectly in this discussion " whether

> astrology is Vedic or

> anti-Vedic " and believe me, all of them are very much

> vociferous and

> contentious---and not just paper lions--- in their

> arguments either for or

> against this view. Of course, I cannot expect every

> member of this forum to

> come to the immediate conclusion, without

> any " fight " on his/her part, that what they have been

> following till date as

> " Vedic astrology " is actualy not Vedic! It has been

> dinned into the ears of

> this generation by our " abhinav Parasharas " and

> " modern Varahamihiras " that

> our Vedic Rishis had nothing else to do except

> " manufacturing " predictive astrology

> books like " Brighu Samhita " and " Garga Samhita " and

> " Parashara Hora " and

> even Shambu Hora Prakash and so on and so forth! This

> tamasha has gone to

> such an extent that even " Maha Pandit Lankeshwar

> Ravan " is supposed to have

> written his " Ravana Samhita " just for delineating your

> and my future! (One wonders

> how the poor fellow got so much time with all the war

> preparations at his

> hands!)

> Then we have got " nadi granthas " like " x nadi " and " y

> nadi " and " z

> nadi " and what not! However, I am sure that once

> the members of this forum

> are convinced of the fact they have been taken for a

> ride---either knowingly or unknowingly--for such a

> long time, they will definitely shed all their

> misconceptios and feel sorry

> for all the time, energy and money they have wasted on

> such an non-Vedic

> pastime which was being presented as " Vedic

> astrology " . No doubt there

> will be some vested interests also whose bread and

> butter lies in just

> continuing to fleece the gullible but then they are in

> a miniscule minority.

> It is that miniscule minority that has to be watched

> and watched carefully

> since they may not like to be proved wrong in spite of

> their knowing fully

> well that they are already wrong! Believe me, most of

> our " abhinav

> Parasharas " are already aware of the fact that there

> is absolutely no

> predictive astrology in the Vedas, but then they do

> not want to take any

> risks now! However, since a lie has no legs to stand

> upon, this lie that

> " predictve astrology is Vedic " will also get shattered

> sooner than later,

> God willing!

> I will discuss about other points raised by you later

> but the first thing I would like to know is how you

> have arrived at the conclusions that Parashara Samhita

> is of 1500 BCE. This is in fact an absolutely wrong

> conclusion since as on date Lagadha's Vedanga

> Jyotisha, also known as Rik Jotisha, is the earliest

> Indian work on astronomy avilable anywhere in the

> world. This is what Shankar Balakrishna Dikshit, the

> scholar extraordinary on Indian astronomy, has said on

> page 88 of English translation of his " Bharatiya

> Jyotish " :

> " A good many quotations from Garga have been given

> before; it appears that Vedanga Jyotisha occupied an

> important place in his (i.e. Brahmagupta's) time.

> Even Parashara says, 'shravishthadyatpaushnardham

> charatah shishiro vasantah'. This gives the same

> solar position for winter solstice as given by Vedanga

> Jyotisha. This shows that the Vedanga Jyotisha must

> have been compiled long before these two seers viz.

> Garga and Parashara lived....These verses from Garga

> and Parashara show that Vedanga jyotisha was COMPOSED

> LONG BEFORE THE TIMES OF GARGA AND PARASHARA... "

>

> Then Dr. S. Balachandra Rao, in his Indian Mathematics

> and Astronomy, page 24 says, " The Vedanga Jyotisha

> belongs to the last part of the Vedic age. The text

> proper can be considered as the records of the

> essentials of astronomical knowledge needed for the

> day-to-day life of the people of those times. The

> Vedanga Jyotisha (and not Parashaa Samhita!) IS THE

> CLMINATION OF THE KNOWLEDGE DEVELOPED AND ACCUMULATED

> OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF THE VEDIC PERIOD PRIOR TO

> 1400 BC " .

> Then Prof. T. S. Kuppanna Sastry, the former Hony.

> Professor, Sanskrit College, Madras, has said in his

> " Collected Papers on Jyotisha " on page 46 " In the

> Vedanga Jyotisha (c. 1180 BC) THE EARLIEST HINDU

> ASTRONOMICAL WORK EXTANT... " .

>

> Same is the view of all the prominent scholars like

> Dr. R. Shama Sastri, Dr. G. S. Thibaut and S. K.

> Pillai.

>

> It is not only just the view of these scholars but it

> is an astronomical fact that the position of

> winter/summer solstice etc. as has been given in the

> Vedanga Jyotisha is of around 13th/14th century BC.

> These are the phenomena referred to later by

> Varahamihira and others in their works. That also

> proves that this was the oldest astronomical work of

> Vedic astronomy in ancient India.

>

> It is also a certainity that Paitamaha Sidhanta, also

> known as Brahma Sidhanta, (or the Sidhanta revealed by

> Lord Brahma Himself!) of Varaha's Panchashidahntika is

> a derviative work of the Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha

> and not any Parashari Samhita etc.

>

> Besdies, Parashari Samhita, which may be a work of

> abouit sixth/seventh century BC as per S. B. Dikshit

> also does not give planetary longitudes but is

> supposed to follow the pattern of the Vedanga Jyotisha

> as per the commentators Somakara etc.

>

> It means that the Surya Sidhanta of MAYA THE YAVANA

> is the very first " Indian " work giving full fleged

> methodology of calculating planetary longitudes etc.

> With regards,

> Mohan Jyotishi

 

>

>

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT)

com

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

vedic astrology , " Sreenadh " <sreelid

wrote:

 

Dear Mohan ji,

(This mail is a continuation of my previous mail to you)

You asked:

> the first thing I would like to know is how you

> have arrived at the conclusions that Parashara Samhita

> is of 1500 BCE.

The following is my answer to that question:

================================ (Start of article)

Period of Parasara

---------------------

When Parasara, the author of Parasara Sidhantha, Parasara Samhitha

and

Parasara Hora lived? Is it near to Mahabharatha period, which as per

some scholars is near to BC. 3100?

Or are these texts are written by some Parasara of the Parasara Kula

of later age?

It is a known fact that this Parasara is the son of the Rishi called

Sakthi who was also a well known person who wrote texts related to

Astrology. There is a sloka in Parasara Samhita (quoted in the

Vyakhya

of Varaha Hora by Bhattolpala), which helps us in determining the

period of Parasara, the author of BPHS. The sloka is quoted below:

Srevishtadyath poushnantham charatha sisiraH

VasanthaH poushnanthyath rohinyantham

Soumyadyath sarpardham greeshmaH

Pravid sarpardhath dhasthantham

Chithradyath indrardham sarth

Hemantho Jyeshardhath vaishnavantham

(Parasara Samhitha)

This sloka indicates that at the time of Parasara, Utharayana was

from the beginning of Dhanishta to the middle of Aslesha. That

happened near to BC.1400 as per astronomical calculations. Therefore

it is sure that Parasara Samhitha was written around the period BC.

1400. Now the question is, can we be sure that Parasara Hora and

Parasara Sidhantha was written by the same person? Yes, because it is

said that Parasara wrote 3 books on astrology - Parasara Sidhanta,

Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora. How? What is the proof? In the

Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says:

Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam

Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi.

(Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya)

Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara Hora.

But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3

skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora).

From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3

books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara Hora.

[The game of time and space are curious. I have 3 scholars in my

mind

while saying this - Bhattolpala (10th Century), Kaikulangara (17th

Century) and Acharya Balabhadra (18th Century). Parasara Hora was not

seen by Bhattolpala but Parasara Samhitha, Kaikulangara has seen

Parasara Hora but not Parasara Samhitha, Bhattolpala has seen Gargi

Hora but not Kaikulangara, Balabhadra and Kaikulangara has seen Soura

Hora (also known as Suryarunasamvadam or Sourajathakam) but not

Bhattolpala. It all just means that some texts that were not

available

in some parts of the country were available at some other parts of

the

country at the same time. This may be the only cause due to which

Bhattolpala failed to see a copy of Parasara Hora.]

Now the question comes, Is this the Parasara who was the originator

of Parasara Kula? No, because in Mahabharatha period (may be BC.3100)

as well one Parasara lived. In Brihadaranyopanishad, while describing

the Acharya Paramparas the Rishi speaks about 3 Prarasaryas and 2

Parasaryayanas. It reveals that like the Sankaracharyas of today,

everybody of Parasara Kula (Guru-Sishya Parampara) was known as

Parasara. The Rishi Kulas are some what similar to the Universities

of

today, it just shows the continuity of Teacher-Student relationship

(Guru-Sishya parampara). While describing the 18 Acharyas (Acharya

Kulas) of astrology, Parasara says:

Viswasrishta narado vyaso vasishtotri parasara

Lomaso yevanaH suryaschevanaH kasyapo bhrigu

Pulasthyo manuracharyaH poulisa sounakongiraH

Gargo mareechirithyethe jcheya jyothiH prevarthaka

(Parasara Hora)

See that in this list one Parasara is also mentioned. Parasara is

not

going to mention his own name in a book written by him. That means

here Parasara is remembering the originator of Parasara Kula who also

meditated on astrology and propagated this wisdom. Then we could

think

that probably the Parasara of Mahabharatha period also knew about

astrology.

Another point to be noted is that Parasara (of BC.1400), also

mentions the name of Yevana (Yevanacharya). This Yevanacharya cannot

be Sphujidwaja or Meenaraja who lived after the period of Alexander

who invaded India. This Yevanacharya should be the originator of

Yevana Kula of astrology, who lived prior to BC.1400. Probably

Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja were the students of this branch of

astrology.

I derive 2 conclusions from the above details:

1) Parasara who wrote BPHS lived around BC.1400

2) Sphujidwaja and Meenaraja are the followers of Yevanacharyas

system of astrology and that is why text written by them are known as

Yevana Horas.

================================(End of article)

 

I am ready to change my views, if you are able to provide enough

evidence (not secondary evidences in the from commentaries and words

of so called *scholers*, but primary evidence in the form of quotes

form original books/valid historical evidences).

> This is in fact an absolutely wrong

> conclusion since as on date Lagadha's Vedanga

> Jyotisha, also known as Rik Jotisha, is the earliest

> Indian work on astronomy avilable anywhere in the

> world. This is what Shankar Balakrishna Dikshit, the

> scholar extraordinary on Indian astronomy, has said on

> page 88 of English translation of his " Bharatiya Jyotish " .........

In the light of the above knowledge, can you still say the same?!!

Several translators may say several things! Forget all that, and let

us deal with the primary evidence, and let us deal with such

questions

directly in our own way!!! We may have our own contributions to make

in several subjects, which at times may prove contradictory to the

established notions.

> Then Dr. S. Balachandra Rao,...............

> Then Prof. T. S. Kuppanna Sastry,...........

> Same is the view of....................

As I told you, forget all these translators notes, and deal with

available evidences directly!!....If you prove me wrong (logical

errors, faulty evidence or the like), I would be thankful to you and

would be glad to correct my errors.

BTW: Don't put so much issues and questions into a single mail. It

is

becoming difficult to reply to them all in a single mail. But surely,

I am glad to be in this conversation, and respect your efforts.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

Message: 7

Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:50:21 -0800 (PST)

Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231

Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about " Vedic astrology "

 

Dear Mr.Sreenadh,

I have gone through most of your responses carefully.

The first thing

that is protruding like a sore thumb from your

statements is:

" You are supposed to be in the cave of the lions, and

you proved that

most of them are just paper lions! But beware of the

real lions who

are casually looking at such arguments with a lazy

view, who have much

arguments and proofs in store, and who could clearly

see the logical

errors in your arguments! "

 

Honestly, it is not one lion fighting another nor is

it a real lion

fighting " paper lions " or even 'lazing lions " . It is

not a fight

between a lion and a lamb either! In fact, it is not

a fight at all!

It is not a north-south divide nor is

it a NRK versus NR - ROI (ROI meaning the " rest of

India " ). It is neither a show of one upmanship nor

brinkmanship nor scholarship!

 

It is just a discussion which is virtually free for

all -- and the

discusion is about the fact that the predictive system

of astrology being

tom-tomed as Vedic is not Vedic at all. It is not

even the so called Hindu

astrology either but it is just a system of

predictions which was known as

sidereal system till a few decades back and was

rechiristened by some

overseas " jyotishis " as Vedic so that they could earn

their TA and DA etc.etc. for

propagating something there as well as here!

 

I must admit that this august forum calls itself

" Vedic astrology " forum but in

spite of that fact it is participating in the

discussion against its very

existence! It is a matter of courage and that is the

real Vedic spirit.

 

Almost evry member of this forum is participating in

one way or the other i.e. either

directly or indirectly in this discussion " whether

astrology is Vedic or

anti-Vedic " and believe me, all of them are very much

vociferous and

contentious---and not just paper lions--- in their

arguments either for or

against this view. Of course, I cannot expect every

member of this forum to

come to the immediate conclusion, without

any " fight " on his/her part, that what they have been

following till date as

" Vedic astrology " is actualy not Vedic! It has been

dinned into the ears of

this generation by our " abhinav Parasharas " and

" modern Varahamihiras " that

our Vedic Rishis had nothing else to do except

" manufacturing " predictive astrology

books like " Brighu Samhita " and " Garga Samhita " and

" Parashara Hora " and

even Shambu Hora Prakash and so on and so forth! This

tamasha has gone to

such an extent that even " Maha Pandit Lankeshwar

Ravan " is supposed to have

written his " Ravana Samhita " just for delineating your

and my future! (One wonders

how the poor fellow got so much time with all the war

preparations at his

hands!)

Then we have got " nadi granthas " like " x nadi " and " y

nadi " and " z

nadi " and what not! However, I am sure that once

the members of this forum

are convinced of the fact they have been taken for a

ride---either knowingly or unknowingly--for such a

long time, they will definitely shed all their

misconceptios and feel sorry

for all the time, energy and money they have wasted on

such an non-Vedic

pastime which was being presented as " Vedic

astrology " . No doubt there

will be some vested interests also whose bread and

butter lies in just

continuing to fleece the gullible but then they are in

a miniscule minority.

It is that miniscule minority that has to be watched

and watched carefully

since they may not like to be proved wrong in spite of

their knowing fully

well that they are already wrong! Believe me, most of

our " abhinav

Parasharas " are already aware of the fact that there

is absolutely no

predictive astrology in the Vedas, but then they do

not want to take any

risks now! However, since a lie has no legs to stand

upon, this lie that

" predictve astrology is Vedic " will also get shattered

sooner than later,

God willing!

I will discuss about other points raised by you later

but the first thing I would like to know is how you

have arrived at the conclusions that Parashara Samhita

is of 1500 BCE. This is in fact an absolutely wrong

conclusion since as on date Lagadha's Vedanga

Jyotisha, also known as Rik Jotisha, is the earliest

Indian work on astronomy avilable anywhere in the

world. This is what Shankar Balakrishna Dikshit, the

scholar extraordinary on Indian astronomy, has said on

page 88 of English translation of his " Bharatiya

Jyotish " :

" A good many quotations from Garga have been given

before; it appears that Vedanga Jyotisha occupied an

important place in his (i.e. Brahmagupta's) time.

Even Parashara says, 'shravishthadyatpaushnardham

charatah shishiro vasantah'. This gives the same

solar position for winter solstice as given by Vedanga

Jyotisha. This shows that the Vedanga Jyotisha must

have been compiled long before these two seers viz.

Garga and Parashara lived....These verses from Garga

and Parashara show that Vedanga jyotisha was COMPOSED

LONG BEFORE THE TIMES OF GARGA AND PARASHARA... "

 

Then Dr. S. Balachandra Rao, in his Indian Mathematics

and Astronomy, page 24 says, " The Vedanga Jyotisha

belongs to the last part of the Vedic age. The text

proper can be considered as the records of the

essentials of astronomical knowledge needed for the

day-to-day life of the people of those times. The

Vedanga Jyotisha (and not Parashaa Samhita!) IS THE

CLMINATION OF THE KNOWLEDGE DEVELOPED AND ACCUMULATED

OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF THE VEDIC PERIOD PRIOR TO

1400 BC " .

Then Prof. T. S. Kuppanna Sastry, the former Hony.

Professor, Sanskrit College, Madras, has said in his

" Collected Papers on Jyotisha " on page 46 " In the

Vedanga Jyotisha (c. 1180 BC) THE EARLIEST HINDU

ASTRONOMICAL WORK EXTANT... " .

 

Same is the view of all the prominent scholars like

Dr. R. Shama Sastri, Dr. G. S. Thibaut and S. K.

Pillai.

 

It is not only just the view of these scholars but it

is an astronomical fact that the position of

winter/summer solstice etc. as has been given in the

Vedanga Jyotisha is of around 13th/14th century BC.

These are the phenomena referred to later by

Varahamihira and others in their works. That also

proves that this was the oldest astronomical work of

Vedic astronomy in ancient India.

 

It is also a certainity that Paitamaha Sidhanta, also

known as Brahma Sidhanta, (or the Sidhanta revealed by

Lord Brahma Himself!) of Varaha's Panchashidahntika is

a derviative work of the Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha

and not any Parashari Samhita etc.

 

Besdies, Parashari Samhita, which may be a work of

abouit sixth/seventh century BC as per S. B. Dikshit

also does not give planetary longitudes but is

supposed to follow the pattern of the Vedanga Jyotisha

as per the commentators Somakara etc.

 

It means that the Surya Sidhanta of MAYA THE YAVANA

is the very first " Indian " work giving full fleged

methodology of calculating planetary longitudes etc.

With regards,

Mohan Jyotishi

 

--- End forwarded message ---