Fwd: Astrology - Science, Art or Something else?

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vedic astrology , " Sreenadh " <sreelid

wrote:

 

Dear Saurav ji,

In the files section of this forum, in the Kerala,India folder

created by me, you could an article named " Base of Astrology " . After

reading that article, if you still feel that Astrology is an Art we

could continue this discussion. As you stated I appreciate the view

that it is not a science, but would like to add 'Not an applied

science that follows the scientific method'. But yes, I also share

the

same feeling shared by you through the words - " After reading jyotish

books I have a feeling that our ancestors have an idea about the time

and space i.e. much more advanced than modern science has given us. "

Love,

Sreenadh

 

Message: 3

Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:51:57 -0000

" sauravdesi " <sauravdesi

Re: Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about " Vedic astrology " !

 

Dear Sreenadh ji

 

Thanks for your remarks. I wish I could consider astrology as science

being a scientist myself. But the great degree of subjectivity in

practice, bsides the enoromous diversity in guiding principles, has

frustrated me quite a lot. Nevertheless, I see brilliant predictions

and interesting interpretations though no one is even 90% accurate.

Therefore, I tend to feel this is an art which takes its finest form

in the hand of a good artist. In the physical world that we are living

we tend to categorize things physically. It is difficult for a common

man to think in spiritual plane to give a topic its absolute form

rather than categorizing those as art and science. I am sure being

logical in your approach; you can understand my difficulty in

understanding this subject - jyotishi.

 

However the rich information I find in several texts of jyotishi

(leave apart if those are written by a Parasara or x, y, z), attract

me to this subject and the bulletin boards. Space and time have

puzzled me from my school days: Is space composed of only three

dimensions? Is time axis, a line, a string, a circle (kala chakra as

we read in astro books), a tide (my feeling), or an infinite

dimensional space? After reading jyotish books I have a feeling that

our ancestors have an idea about the time and space i.e. much more

advanced than modern science has given us. Unfortunately, those

information are too abstract and not intended to be interpreted in a

straight forward way. So, I feel we are just playing with puzzles. The

solutions are still hidden.

 

May the light of Deepa unravel the wisdom from darkness!

 

Happy Dipavali,

Saurav

 

>

> Dear Sauravdesi,

> you said:

> > I will not consider it as a science.

> > Rather it is an art since it is highly subjective to individual's

> > ability to use empirical rules.

> Can't we accept astrology as astrology? Should we have to frame it

> into fixed/rigid moulds like Science or Art?

> > Statistics is blind. I can correlate number of hurricanes to

certain

> > qualities of US president. Or that matter, India's population with

> > Chinese economic growth. Will that be a new science then?

> I agree with what you said about Statistics.

> > Having said that, I have no prejudice against the practice of

> jyotshi.

> > However, instead of clinging to the rules of those claimed/

> unclaimed,

> > antique/modern books it is time to start thinking why those rules

> work

> > or does not work

> That is quit impressive. You said it well.

> Thanks for the good mail.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> Message: 10

> Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:34:45 -0000

> " sauravdesi " <sauravdesi>

> Re: Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about " Vedic astrology " !

>

> Dear Amit

>

> You asked weather predictions are not even accurate by 90%, yet it

is

> a science. Weahter prediction is basically done by a set of

dynamical

> and physcal equations. Those are formaulated based on natural laws

of

> fluid dynamics modified by planetary effects; such as earth's

> rotation, earth's radiation, topography, vegetation ..... It is not

> 100% accurate yet because of the limitation of our knowledge in

scale

> interactions of different phenomena of nature ; e.g. the air-sea

> interaction, cloud micro physics, vegetation and environmental

efects

> etc. Those understanding will need both field experiments as well as

> computer simulations which will cost trillions of dollars. But the

> science is growing and eventually will achive the goal.

>

> In the predictions of weather and climate again it depends what you

> wish to predict. A lay man will not be wrong to say that monsoon

will

> come to India every year. How it will menifest is a difficult

question

> and dependent on several factors some of which are known and some

are

> yet unknown.

>

> Compare that with astrology. People may argue the role of dynamics

and

> physics in astrology - but is not that part taken care in astronomy?

> Over the years people have tried to establish empirical relation

based

> on certain combinations of planets, stars and constellation of stars

> (sometimes even not related to their actual positions in physical

> space). This is not bad for prediictive purposes or using it for

> predictive purposes. However, I will not consider it as a science.

> Rather it is an art since it is highly subjective to individual's

> ability to use empirical rules. For example. no where in those

claimed

> anacient literature that you will find a mention of the word

> " computer " . Yet modern jyotishi predict's a person's career, living

> and name and fame related to his knowledge and ability in computer

> science. In fact most modern jyotishi are dependent on computer.

>

> Statistics is blind. I can correlate number of hurricanes to certain

> qualities of US president. Or that matter, India's population with

> Chinese ecoomic growth. Will that be a new science then?

>

> If we think planets are affecting us, why a particular person is

> affacted more than others even if he lives in the same locality. In

> esence are we not trying to say that a planet/combination of planets

> placed in astral space has differential influence on the same

> location. People argue that people born on different times have

> different mental qualities and hence they are affaceted differently

> through their mental channels. Well, mental chanel can not

> invite/avoid death. Other way round, twins born seconds appart

living

> in the same locality suffer/enjoy differently. How can we explain

> that?

>

> Having said that, I have no prejudice against the practice of

jyotshi.

> However, instead of clinging to the rules of those claimed/

unclaimed,

> antique/modern books it is time to start thinking why those rules

work

> or does not work

>

> Thanks

>

> Saurav

>

>

> >

> > Try the Systems Approach to Astrology and compare the accuracy

of

> > its results, the observational science has received a huge

impetus

> by

> > the research of V.K Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you

can

> > Join Satva and Satva 101 for more information.

> > Dismissal without experiments and mere conjecture is an un-

> > intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan Jyotishi it

> > better you do more research as to where the present " Vedic "

> astrology

> > stands, if Issac Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro

> > bodies and later not applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies)

> > doesnt mean it isnt true.

> > BHPS etc was the foundation of this science, research was needed

to

> > be done by us over centuries to progress the observations and

bring

> > in more accuracy , but instead it was blindly followed and thus

> there

> > is so much confusion and dogma about astrology of the East.

> > Present day Sages like V.K Chaudhry have taken the observations

of

> > Parashara, Jamini et al to another level of scientific approach

and

> > accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age.

> > Weather predcitions are never even 90% accurate yet its a science

> why?

> > every Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be

validated

> > with experiments to bring in a statistical low level of mean

> > deviation and then depending on the results you can conclude its

> > veracity.

> > Its my word as a computer scientist and astrologer that mere

> > disregard for something without adequate research , is not even

> worth

> > discussing.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Amit Patnaik

> >

>

 

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