FW: [HinduCalendar] Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak : Please come to real issue

June 18, 2007

HinduCalendar [HinduCalendar ] On Behalf Of jyotirved

Shri Darshaney Lokeshji,

Namaskar!

Please go through my posts again. You have

given transit timings as topocentric for Delhi in your “Tithi

Patrak”. Even the examples you have quoted are wrong. You

have said

<I have

checked some timing as per the Swiss Ephemeris. For example today 11/06/2007

moon transit is correct. 21 June, sun’s transit’ 05 June Venus

transit, 25 June mars transit 19 December Jupiter transit,

However, as per the same Swiss Ephemeris that you

are quoting, Moon at 12 hrs 32mts 42 secds (UT) for Delhi

is Moon 0 ta 44' 53.6350. Obviously, it has

already covered about 45 arcminutes in Taurus at 18-12-42 (IST) when you say it

entered into Taurus! That means it was roughly about two hours back that it had

entered Taurus!

Similarly sun for June 21 at 18-7-9 UT is Sun 0

cn 0' 1.7032. It means it is already over by about two

arcseconds! (It takes sun about 24 seconds of time to cover one

arcsecond. Thus it should have been 23hrs 36 mts IST for topocentric

ingress for Delhi.

Why did you give ingress timings even in seconds? Just to confuse a

reader about the accuracy of your panchanga, when you cannot give even the

minute of solar ingress correctly?)

Similarly Venus is supposed to have entered Simha at

23-29-11 (IST) when as per the same Swiss Ephemeris it is

Venus 29 cn 59 '59.9288 which

means it is still in Cancer at that point of time!

According to you Mars entered Taurus on

June 25 at 3-54-32 IST which means 22-24-32 of June 24, UT. Mars at that point

of time was Mars 0 ta 1'44.8001. Thus it would have taken it more

than about three hours to enter into that sign! And you are supposed to have

given even the ingress second correctly!

Similarly, you say Jupiter will enter Makar on

December 19 at 1-41-29 IST where Jupiter longitude at that time is

Jupiter 29 sa 59'59.9608. In other words, it is

still in Dhanus at that second of IST/UT

That much for your accuracy!

Your another point is

<.

I get you reminded your own and that too very latest words, ”Please rest

assured that I have full faith in you regarding our calendar

reform…………….” Now, for you I have become a

person who does not know even the basics i.e. starting of bright and dark

fortnights of a month? You were not like this ever before. Is it forgotten that you have referred the submitted

panchang to many other members and uploaded the same to some other groups also?

May you be asked, why?>

My dear Shri Lokesh ji, I am sure you know

that our association has been a professional one. You also know that I

was a staunch believer in nirayana panchangas and nirayana astrology for quite

sometime, like you and everybody else. With the passage of time, I came to

the conclusion that the so called nirayana Rashischakra – actually

nirayana rashichakras galore – were not at all feasible for our

calendars. This I clarified through my various panchangas right from 1996

onwards till 2001. Even several years after that, I laboured under the delusion

that the Vedas were talking of a so called Sayana Rashichakra! You

and Shri Mahtolia and many others felt the same thing. All of us

had another common purpose also then -- to propagate the

“real Vedic Jyotish” since all of us, including myself, were

under the confusion that the Vedas are talking of nothing but Sayana Jyotisha

including Phalita Jyotisha! We joined our hands and heads together and

formed an “All India Calendar Reform Committee” at a much later stage

of which I was asked to be the President.

However, after going through the Report of

the Calendar Reform Committee of Dr. M. N. Saha; and Bharatiya Jyotisha Shastra

of S B Dikshit and the works of several other Indian scholars, who had no axe

to grind, I was surprised to find that all of them claimed that there were no

Rashis in the Vedas, Upanishadas, Brahmans etc. etc. but they were just imports

from Babylon via Greeks! Instead of just taking those statements at their

face value, I studied all the Vedas and other shastras personally and was

surprised to find that there were actually no rashis in those shastras!

This I brought to your and Shri Mahtolia’s notice during our first

meeting at my house at Rohini. I had also made it very clear then that

though it was a contradiction of my own stand of a few years’ back, but I

could not help it since I could not go on advocating something for which there

were no proofs. At least my conscience would not allow it.

In the meantime, you collected

“applications” from about 20 people who wanted to join the Akhil

Bharatiya Panchanga Sudhara Samiti. When I went through those

“application forms”, I was surprised to see that all of them were

actually phalit jyotishis and they were under the impression that they would be

able to earn more money by practising sayana phalit jyotish in the name of

Vedic jyotish, reforming the calendar being a time pass! All of them

seemed to be under the delusion that the Vedas were full of Sayana Rashis and

Sayana Phalit jyotish!

I just did not want any such confusions that

would defeat the very purpose of the Samiti that instead of reforming the

calendar we would just deform it further by trying to link sayana rashis with

the Vedic calendar etc. As such, I sent a seven page letter in Hindi to

all of them, explaining to them in detail as to how we had been taken for a

ride by the Greeks by spreading their tentacles of astrology through Mesha etc.

astrological Rashis in India, which was later

re-christened as “Vedic jyotish” by overseas

“Vamadevas”. This letter is in the files section as

“PSS.doc” even today.

You were much against my sending any such

letter to anybody since, as a hind sight, I feel that you knew that all those

members wanted to associate with the “Samiti” only to hone their

astrological skills and increase their money earning power by dint of

“sayana Vedic jyotish”! Not surprisingly, I did not get any

response from anybody, including you and Shri Dalip Langoo or Shri Sanjay Kumar

Mehta etc. etc. The only response I got was from Shri Mahtolia and he had

summed up his stand in the words that I was acting more like Macaulay since I

was denying Rashis and phalit jyotish in the Vedas!

That much for worthy Vic-Presidents and

General Secretaries and Treasurers and secretaries of the “Samiti”.

Since nobody responded, it means technically

the ABPSS comprised just a President, a Vice-Presidnet, a General Secretary and

Secretary, though neither the GS nor the Secretary nor the Treasurer responded

to the letter! If the would be members could not muster courage to come clean

of their views in their own forums, how do you expect them to be ale to

convince others about the aims and goals of the Samiti?

Then there was another bolt from the

blue! Even if somehow or the other, by hook or by crook, you just thrust

the sayana Rashichakra down the throat of unsuspecting public, you just could

not link the real nakshatras with those (Sayana) Rashis at any cost!

I have explained all these points at least a

hundred times through various posts and mails on this forum. I had explained

the same thing to you during our last meeting at my house in Rohini.

It appears to me you are deliberately evading

the issue since it is impossible that you have not grasped the hopelessness of

your stand of including sayana Rashis and Sayana nakshatras in your panchanga

for muhurta and festivals etc. etc. Since you have decided to include sayana

planetary longitudes also in your panchanga next year, and since you are

presenting yourself as “General Secretary of Panchanga Sudhar

Samiti” I just do not want to associate myself in such an adharmic

activity in any way whatsoever. This I had explained to you in no uncertain

terms before withdrawing my association.

We must not forget that the late N C

Lahiri was also the Secretary of the Saha Calendar Reform Committee. As

is well known already, instead of going by the real Vedic dictum, he just tried

to sway every other member in the favour of a so called Lahiri Rashichakra and

he succeeded in it. In other words, he succeeded in sabotaging the real

calendar reform and keeping his “Lahiri’s Indian Ephemeris”

and “Vishudha Sidhanta Panjika” a perpetual breadwinner for himself

and his offspring at the cost of Vedic dharma. It appears that you as a

general Secretary of a so called “Akhila Bharatiya Panchanga Sudhara

Samiti” are working on the same lines -- you are more worried about

the sales of your own Tithi Patrak than the actual reform of Hindu calendar and

muhurtas.

All the remaining points raised by you are quite

irrelevant about reforming the calendar, since like Lahiri and Lahiriwalas, you

are yourself bent on “committing the entire Hindu society to

adharma” on the shoulders of “Akhila Bharatiya Panchanga Sudhar

Samiti” Honestly, I have no good wishes for you or your such a

mission. On the other hand I will oppose any such ahdarmic reforms with equal

vehemence as I have been doing for Lahiri Rashichakra and Lahiri

festivals. And

yatodharmas tato jayah!

Dhnayavd.

Avtar Krishen Kaul

HinduCalendar

[HinduCalendar ] On Behalf Of darshaney lokesh

Saturday, June 16, 2007

7:25 AM

Avtar Krishen Kaul; Hindu

Calander

[HinduCalendar] Mohan

Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak : Please come to real issue

Dear friends.

This is resending of the message already mailed. Please treat

that one as

cancelled due to wrong numbering of paras.Thanks.

Darshaney Lokesh

Respected kaul Ji,

Namastey.

Your

reference message dt 17 May 07 has given me a sad picture of your acting as an

erudite person of the subject. The letter is neither ethically nor purposely

right. But before entering into the reply with due respect and my humble

submissions I’d like to request you ( as well as to every member of

HinduCalendar group) -

1.

Plz.

Go through the msg No. 1298 and a reply msg dt 19 Sep 2007 of Er. Vibhu

Vishwamitra Rawat.

2.

Plz

see msg No. 1315 dt 27/09/2006 wherein you have confirmed the recipt of printed

panchanga by post. And for your information the patrak was published in the

month of April 2007 and if at all there is such serious negligence on your side

then you also can well imagine that how much dangerous was it to trust on your

president ship.

3. Sir, we had submitted the panchanga

through internet and printed copies by post to YOU and many of others like

Patron, vice president and secretaries of the akhil bhartiya panchanga sudhar

samiti, who are equally learned of the subject.

4. Your congratulation letter,

infact misguided us as we presumed that you have thoroughly gone through the

Panchanga as the president of the samiti. Naturally you were needed to do so.

Moreover when I personally visited you at rohini you told me “Apki bhabhi

ji ko to panchanga bahut pasand aaya

hai…………………”

5. The panchanga was submitted to

you in the month of September andnow only on account of my mentions in reply to

sh Narayan Prasad you have not only resigned from the president ship of the

samiti but also dishonored me on the basis of printing mistakes/ deference of a

few minutes for which reasons were already explained and on that

explanations you had not reacted any way.

6. I

have checked some timing as per the Swiss Ephemeris. For example today 11/06/2007

moon transit is correct. 21 June, sun’s transit’ 05 June Venus

transit, 25 June mars transit 19 December Jupiter transit, 15 December true

Rahu transit are correct. For 15 June 2007 the tithi, nakshtra and yoga timings

are correct as per even Swiss Ephemeris except in case of the Oct 2007 as this

page has been published uncorrected. I have taken a responsible note of these

things. A comparison chart is also being produced hereunder. I would

request my readers to expect a well progressed, error free (as to the maximum

capabilities of my own) and fully acceptable Patra next year. In This Patra of

the next year we are prepared to give the timings of Kshyatithi, nakshtras,

lagnasarni for Delhi,

daily planatery longitudes/latitudes/speed, ecliptical obliquity and

nutation for each day at the time of sunrise. These

are the needs of a Patra and not of a Jantri.Giving planetary longitudes has an

approval of Swami Brahmanand ji Saraswati who is himself a Arya Samaji saint

and has no faith in predictive astrology.He says,” Loag to bhagyavadi

hain hee aur agar apne grahspasht nahin diye to unki newantam jaruraton ke liye

bhi apka patra bekarka hoga. Isliye grahspasht dene men koee burai nahin hai.”

Comparison

Chart

Date

As Per Mahesh

As Per Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi

Patrak - 2007

Th

Time

Nak

Time

Yoga

Time

Th

Time

Nak

Time

Yoga

Time

1/3/2007

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