Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 most of the predictive astrology comes from trance like state the rishis had vison due to meditative practices,satvic life,telling truth adhering non-violence etc.that is why whatever they said came true.not due to postulates therems or geometry or for that matter any set of rules. jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Dear jk ji, Definitely a clear set of rules, a clear set of methods to derive the results form the foundation of Astrology without which it would be nothing but the fancy imagination of the so called astrologer. Of course spiritual understanding, meditation, upasana etc of the astrologer can be of help, but primarily it is the clear set of rules put forward by the sages who postulated and extended this system is what matters. If you want to say that astrology is nothing but an unsystematic jumble of ideas and imagination then your are mistaken. Of course theorems or geometry (i hope you are pointing to astronomy by this) also do matter, because astrology is science that tries to study the influence of the rhythm of the solar system in the human life (which they termed destiny). Otherwise why use planets; you could have resorted to some other tools like cards or crystal ball, or pendulum as some others do. But we know that astrology is far more systematic than them, and provides us with more details about the life of the native just from the natal chart. Astology is NOT just psychology or providing solice to people. It has a systematic foundation and a method, well founded in astronomy and its unique philosophy. Love, Sreenadh , " jkhomefood " <jkhomefood wrote: > > most of the predictive astrology comes from trance like state the > rishis had vison due to meditative practices,satvic life,telling truth > adhering non-violence etc.that is why whatever they said came true.not > due to postulates therems or geometry or for that matter any set of rules. > jk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 the rules are changing constantly as grahas change constantly.its only an arbitary assumption which leads to some conclusions of rules.what if the arbitary assumptions are wrong?then we have predictions based on wrong assumed datas,isnt it?if the rules laid down are correct,by now we should have absolutely correct predictions.obviously,it was an ancient method to placate kings or rulers to guide in their works and lives.present day science cannot even predict what will happen the next second,only hazard a guesswork based on certain assumption for example the inflation or economy etc. jk , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear jk ji, > Definitely a clear set of rules, a clear set of methods to derive > the results form the foundation of Astrology without which it would be > nothing but the fancy imagination of the so called astrologer. Of > course spiritual understanding, meditation, upasana etc of the > astrologer can be of help, but primarily it is the clear set of rules > put forward by the sages who postulated and extended this system is > what matters. If you want to say that astrology is nothing but an > unsystematic jumble of ideas and imagination then your are mistaken. > Of course theorems or geometry (i hope you are pointing to astronomy > by this) also do matter, because astrology is science that tries to > study the influence of the rhythm of the solar system in the human > life (which they termed destiny). Otherwise why use planets; you could > have resorted to some other tools like cards or crystal ball, or > pendulum as some others do. But we know that astrology is far more > systematic than them, and provides us with more details about the life > of the native just from the natal chart. Astology is NOT just > psychology or providing solice to people. It has a systematic > foundation and a method, well founded in astronomy and its unique > philosophy. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " jkhomefood " > <jkhomefood@> wrote: > > > > most of the predictive astrology comes from trance like state the > > rishis had vison due to meditative practices,satvic life,telling truth > > adhering non-violence etc.that is why whatever they said came true.not > > due to postulates therems or geometry or for that matter any set of > rules. > > jk > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Dear friend, Namaskar! Would you kindly tell me as to which Rishi has made which prediction in which shastra after checking the horoscope of which " clinet " . What Ayanamksha has been used by that Rishi? Regards, AKK , " jkhomefood " <jkhomefood wrote: > > most of the predictive astrology comes from trance like state the > rishis had vison due to meditative practices,satvic life,telling truth > adhering non-violence etc.that is why whatever they said came true.not > due to postulates therems or geometry or for that matter any set of rules. > jk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 there is no sanskrit verse thru which i am quoting.its my own experiance which has been enlightened to me by self effort.sruti and smruti are two ways to learn our ancient lore.they may not be as accurate to delta seconds but a fair degree of accuracy has been attained,and definitely none of the rishis are looking for any certificates from you. jk , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > > Dear friend, > Namaskar! > Would you kindly tell me as to which Rishi has made which prediction > in which shastra after checking the horoscope of which " clinet " . > What Ayanamksha has been used by that Rishi? > Regards, > AKK > , " jkhomefood " > <jkhomefood@> wrote: > > > > most of the predictive astrology comes from trance like state the > > rishis had vison due to meditative practices,satvic life,telling > truth > > adhering non-violence etc.that is why whatever they said came > true.not > > due to postulates therems or geometry or for that matter any set > of rules. > > jk > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Dear jk ji, ==> > the rules are changing constantly as grahas change constantly. > its only an arbitrary assumption which leads to some conclusions of > rules. <== It is not so. Did you went through the ancient branches of knowledge like Ayurveda, Classical Music etc? If you did you will find that how ever the diseases change or emerge new the basic concepts used in Ayuveda can only be Vata-Pitta-Kapha and Music notes can be only 7. Everything else are the mix and match (new combinations) of the fundamentals. ==> what > if the arbitrary assumptions are wrong? <== That statement is a fault caused by Scientific approach. We are not speaking about scientific approach but about holistic approach, where the fundamental constructs can never be wrong, because of the fundamental fact that they are constructs (imaginary concepts the attributes of which gets changed and modified as per the understanding). To state an example 'Mind' is a fundamental construct that form the base of 'psychology', can this construct can go wrong? No it can't - this construct would be present and used for any period of time. But If there is a scientific assumption that 'atoms are indivisible' then there is every chance that somebody will prove it wrong - like we have seen already. ==> > then we have predictions based on wrong assumed datas,isnt it? > if the rules laid down are correct, by > now we should have absolutely correct predictions. <== Again some statements that came out of scientific type education. * Every assumption by any body can be only based on wrong assumed data - go inside and you will find that every data is erroneous and imperfect- it can not be otherwise. * Even if the rule laid out are correct the output can not be the same - give same medicine to patients of same age with same disease. Do you think the results would be the same and all of them will get cured? * There is nothing such as absolute correctness (no, not even in science) - especially when dealing with destiny, where we are trying to use the 'best available tool' to us. If you have a better tool to suggest great! - come forward! ==> > present day science cannot even predict what will happen the > next second, only hazard a guesswork based on certain assumption for > example the inflation or economy etc. <== Here you approach and fundamental idea that caused the wrong assumptions become clear. Why don't you understand that Science is only half - Analytical, Where will you put the Holistic? If Differentiation is there how can you neglect the Integration? Looks at the various branches of knowledge available to mankind - half of them are the contribution of analytical approach but the other half that of the holistic approach. How can you neglect half of the brain when these two kinds of approaches are fundamental to the thought process itself?!! * You will find a document named " Base Of Astrology " inside the folder " Sreenadh " in the files section of the group. Please have a look at it. Love, Sreenadh , " jkhomefood " <jkhomefood wrote: > > the rules are changing constantly as grahas change constantly.its only > an arbitary assumption which leads to some conclusions of rules.what > if the arbitary assumptions are wrong?then we have predictions based > on wrong assumed datas,isnt it?if the rules laid down are correct,by > now we should have absolutely correct predictions.obviously,it was an > ancient method to placate kings or rulers to guide in their works and > lives.present day science cannot even predict what will happen the > next second,only hazard a guesswork based on certain assumption for > example the inflation or economy etc. > jk > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear jk ji, > > Definitely a clear set of rules, a clear set of methods to derive > > the results form the foundation of Astrology without which it would be > > nothing but the fancy imagination of the so called astrologer. Of > > course spiritual understanding, meditation, upasana etc of the > > astrologer can be of help, but primarily it is the clear set of rules > > put forward by the sages who postulated and extended this system is > > what matters. If you want to say that astrology is nothing but an > > unsystematic jumble of ideas and imagination then your are mistaken. > > Of course theorems or geometry (i hope you are pointing to astronomy > > by this) also do matter, because astrology is science that tries to > > study the influence of the rhythm of the solar system in the human > > life (which they termed destiny). Otherwise why use planets; you could > > have resorted to some other tools like cards or crystal ball, or > > pendulum as some others do. But we know that astrology is far more > > systematic than them, and provides us with more details about the life > > of the native just from the natal chart. Astology is NOT just > > psychology or providing solice to people. It has a systematic > > foundation and a method, well founded in astronomy and its unique > > philosophy. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " jkhomefood " > > <jkhomefood@> wrote: > > > > > > most of the predictive astrology comes from trance like state the > > > rishis had vison due to meditative practices,satvic life,telling truth > > > adhering non-violence etc.that is why whatever they said came true.not > > > due to postulates therems or geometry or for that matter any set of > > rules. > > > jk > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 You must have noted through my various posts that I keep on exposing my own erlier half-baked theories with later discoveries --- Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote: > > Dear friend, > Namaskar! > Would you kindly tell me as to which Rishi has made > which prediction > in which shastra after checking the horoscope of > which " clinet " . > What Ayanamksha has been used by that Rishi? > Regards, > AKK > , > " jkhomefood " > <jkhomefood wrote: > > > > most of the predictive astrology comes from trance > like state the > > rishis had vison due to meditative > practices,satvic life,telling > truth > > adhering non-violence etc.that is why whatever > they said came > true.not > > due to postulates therems or geometry or for that > matter any set > of rules. > > jk > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/norton/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Namaskar to All Gurujans, I am a member of this group as a seeker. I agree with Sreenadhji. The entire universe works on certain rules and fundamentals. Some of these rules are understood by us and others are understood by only those persons who are very elevated in intellect ( like our Rishis ). Let me give some examples: when Einstein stated the theory of relativity, E=MC2, very few people understood it. But did it mean that the theory was invented by Einstein or was it wrong. Some where I read that Einstein was a spiritually elevated person. The theory or the rule was existing, but someone was required to understand it and use it. Another example: Log Tables used in Mathematics. It is physically Impossible for any person to create these in one life time, at the time when they were created.The person who wrote them used to see the tables in his dream. He did not realize the significance initially but kept on writing what ever he saw in his dreams. Now those tables are based on certain rules and fundamentals and always give correct answers. So being a spiritually eveolved soul you will not create any new laws and rules of nature. You will merely pick up the already existing rule and law and apply it properly. Most of the people like me will then use the tools available to the best of our ability. With Regards and Namaskar to all, Rajesh Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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