Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Dear jk ji, ==> * What you want to acheive by saying jyotish vidya is humbug? * what is the alternate that you have then? <== I can imagine that AKK's answer would possible be - * Restoration of Veidc Culture & * Restoration o Vedic Calender But I know you would have a thousand arguments against it. As far Jyothish Vidya is concerned, his possibly opinion would be - (note it) * Since Vedas Does not approve astrology, it should be destroyed and discarded. Man does not need any predictive gimmicks. These statements form the essence of AKK's arguments I think. Further- * Astrology is a result of greek (western!) contribution, and so it should be discarded [i think his experience with Arya Samaj and his understanding of school taught history, and his interaction with western (for some time he taught it same as Vedic! - both being Tropical) might have all contributed to it] Please understand this situation, and adjust the mutual responses accordingly. AKK is NOT against the Vedic knowledge; but a bit strict on what is Vedic and what not. Therefore the end note is 'Please be patient - his contributions are very much valid and intentions good' (though not practical) Love, Sreenadh , " jkhomefood " <jkhomefood wrote: > > " Why does the Mahbharata not list any of the Rashis, especially since > it has declared unequivocally that what is contained therein is > contaiend in other shaastras and what is not contained therein cannot > be found anywhere else! " > > quoting out of context from the volume of mahabharath is not correct. > > there are umpteen shastraas written and orally transmitted.its humanly > not possible to quote each and every shastra,and then get into > argumentative mode about translations of each and every word in the > shastra.do us a favor,tell us what you want to acheive by saying > jyotish vidya is humbug?what is the alternate that you have then?if > majority wins please be polite and leave us alone with our own jyotish > vidya of our ancient citizens.thanks. > jk > > > , HosabettuRamadas Rao > <ramadasrao@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji, > > I reproduce here a Shloka from Varaha Mihira's Brihat Jataka > regarding Meshaadi Rashis Swarupas : > > > > matsyaughatI nrumithunaM sagadaM savINaM. > > caapInarOshrujaghano makarao mrugaasyaH.. > > tauLisasasyadahanaa plavagaaca kanyaa. > > shEShaassvanaama sadrushaa ssvacaraascha sarve.. > > I think as there are Sanskrit scholars in this list I need not > elaborate the above Shloka.But simply Varaha Mihiracharya starts with > Meena Rashi,then explains the swarupa of Kumbha Rashi,then Mithuna > Rashi,Dhanu Rashi,Makara Rashi ( Mrugaasya Makaro ), then Tula > Rashi,Kanya Rashi,then he says shEshaa means the the remaining unnamed > Rashis ie., Mesha,Vrishabha, Kataka, Simha and Vrischika resemble > their Swarupas. > > I hope this helps. > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > > > @: jyotirved@: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 > 16:50:31 +0000 Re: Dear Bharat > (Dear Nair Saab: Our horizon clean, we unblinkered) > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sreenadhji,I have read all the books by the famous astrologer. > His " Notable Horoscopes " is especialy a good for nothing book since > the data at one place does not agree with the data in the same book at > another place! In fact, he has given his own chart also in that book > but that as well is incorrect!Surprisingly, correct predictions were > ascribed to planetary positions of very old charts without taking into > account Delta Time corrections, which could be from 10 minute to even > 24 hours!! Almost ninety per cent charts are wrong! Anybody can check > them with computers today!There is no personal vendetta about anybody! > But the fact remains that if someone can make correct predictions from > incorrect data he must be a charlatan!Now that you have Ganesh > programs you can check the " horoscopic particulars " -- at least mean > planetary positions -- of Varahamihira -- supposing he was born at 12 > noon on January 1, 500 AD or say 450 AD. The differences in planetary > longitudes, whether you take them as sayana or Lahiri nirayana, are > considerable, whether you take old Surya Sidhanta or current Surya > Sidhanta, or even Aryabhati!Well, I am sorry I cannot accept the > statement that spashta-taro savitra because then today's astronomy is > wrong! If that is so, then we should stop preparing horscopes from the > latest astronomical parameters and go back into dark ages of the Surya > Sidhanta and so on!What is surprising all the more is that till a > century back, all the astrologers could make correct predictions from > the same Surya Sidhanta or Aryabhati or AryaSidahnta or Brahmasphuta > Sidhanta or even Graha Laghava and they fought like Kilkenny cats to > vouch for their accuracy! Now all of them are vocferously voting for > modern astronomy! You cannot have the cake and eat it as well! If the > earlier fundamental arguments were wrong there could never have been > correct predictions from them. And if they were correct, we must stop > taking recourse to modern astronomy!Regarding the parameters used in > Ganesh and Mahes programs, please rest assured that they have been > checked and cross checked and tallied hudnreds of times with all the > available data etc. etc. As on date, Mahesh is the most accurate > program and even with any new developments in modern astronomy, the > results of the past in around 10000 BC or in future around 10000 AD > will not vary by plus/minus more than about 10 arcminutes for sun or > moon or planets. There is no possibility of any changes in the mean > elements of the sidhantas since they have been fixed by " Surya Bhagwa " > (acutally Maya the mlechha!) and so on! They are not going to change > their stands now!Regarding Parshara Sidhanta etc., I wonder whether > you have gone through the papers of Dr. R. N. Iyengar, which are > available at HinduCalendar forum! He has referred to Adbhuta Sagara > also. I am afraid I cannot upload them on this forum since I do not > have the permission of the author to upload them on any other forums. > Please go through those papers and see for yourself the real state of > affair in ancient India vis-a-vis planetary astronomy. It is alright > to go on repeating like a parrot " Vedeic astrology " " vedic astrology " > but even scholars like Dr. Vartak have yet to find Makara Rashi in any > of the Vedas! Can any of the scholars of this forum give me the exact > mantra which gives the names of rashis in any order, whether Mesha, > Vrisha etc. or Mina, Kumbha etc.? It is a challenge to all the > scholars of this forum. We must not forget that the Vedanga Jyotisha > is silent about such useless parameters, so is the Yajur Jyotisha, > Atharva Jytoisha, Pitamaha Sidhanta, Vasishtha Sidhata etc. etc. Even > Surya Prajnyapti is siletn about Mesha etc. Rashis or Mangal, Shanki > etc. planets wheres all the Vedas are full of references to > Krita,Rohini etc. nakshatras time and again!The million dollar > question is: Why does the Mahbharata not list any of the Rashis, > especially since it has declared unequivocally that what is contained > therein is contaiend in other shaastras and what is not contained > therein cannot be found anywhere else!Regards,AKKRegards,AKK--- In > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> > wrote:>> Dear Ramdas Rao ji,> There is a fundamental thing to be > understood -> > With the rule of Muslims and British especially in > North India > ancient astrological books become almost unavailable. > Neither the > ancient horas nor the continuity was kept. The Vedic > literature > (Vedas, Upanishads etc) survived because they were > considered holy or > religious in nature. The astrologers in North > india accumulated or > created what is left behind in memory as BPHS > and Jaimini Sutra. > (This is the root cause of various versions, and > indecipherability > and incompleteness of these text). Even though > good texts like Hora > Ratna, Muhurtha Chintamani were available they > come out of the > Manuscript libraries later only. But style the > system was changed > (due to the presence of BPHS and JS) and even the > correct use of > Divisions as told by sages was lost. This is the > genuine situation > that prompts an individual like AKK to question > the whole system. > Neither BV Raman nor Prasnamarga can cure this. > If in similar > situation may be I too might have done the same (there > is all > possibility) > > Now the situation is changing in the field > of astrology with more > texts coming out of the manuscript libraries, > or from palm leaves > kept by traditions or from south India (where > astrology was able to > keep its continuity). There are hindered of > good texts like " Adbhuta > Sagara " (which contains collection of Rishi > hora slokas) still > preserved by the Manuscript libraries in North > India which are yet to > come in print.> As of the heated discussion > AKK started is concerned now it is > already melted down and what is > the use of referring to it again? He > is already a friend and his > contribution valuable.> Love,> Sreenadh> > --- In > , HosabettuRamadas Rao > > <ramadasrao@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > I joined this list > recently as I have been invited.But after > joining, I found a lot of > mails of abusing each other or I can say > one gentleman who is so > completely versed with our Vedas etc.has > started arguing about the > existence of the age old Vedic Astrology > and forcing the members of > the list to agree his theories and > idologies etc.This is not all a > discussion about " Ancient Vedic > Astrology " .The getleman started > giving his proof and others refusing > his theories etc.Here the main > thing is that if we analyse his chart, > we can come to know why is > denying the age old Vedic > Astrology.Astrology is a Divine Science > and not to be talked loose > about it.Let him try to read the books > written by Late Dr.B.V.Raman > who is called as Adhunika Varaha Mihira > about Vedic Astrology.There > is another famous tratise on Prashna > called Prashna Margam from > Kerala deals about the various methods > regarding Prashna or Query > etc.using 108 Cowries.In that book, the > author has explained about > the qualifications of an Astrologer and > many more.One who has learnt > all the 4 Vedas is definitely ahighly > knowledgeable person but if he > is following the Vedas,then only > those knowledge become more profound > otherwise it is like SUN > enclosed with dark clouds.> > So here I am not going to waste time of > anybody rather discuss some > important issues in Vedic Astrology.> > > I Pray Lord Surya Narayana who is considered as the giver of > Jyotish > knowledge to give good intellect and Divine powers to such > people > who have doubts in this ancient Divine knowledge of Astrology.> > I > will not reply to anybody who starts accusing about the existence > of > Vedic Astrology.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > @: sreesog@: Mon, > 18 Jun 2007 > 05:27:00 +0000 Re: > Dear Bharat > (Dear Nair Saab: Our horizon clean, we unblinkered)> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,Some handsome points expressed by your post > really > attracts my attention. ==>For a discipline like astrology > (call it > Vedic, Indian or Oriental), we haven't, as far as my > understanding > goes, a cast-iron bedrock of the Written Word -- veda > (as also much > of post-vedic expositions) being shruti, words of > mouth; where the > words are written down, the contents are destined > to hold intutional > afflatus.<==The Vedas flowed from mouth to ear. > Sruti = (told and) > heard = Taught (handed over to generations) > through Guru-Sishya > Tradition. Now we are at a juncture where > everybody depends on > written word. Alas! Vedas itself are attributed > the authority on > being the authority of " WRITTEN TEXT " !! What will > happen to all other > knowledge that is Sruti but not yet written > down?! I have a cute > example in my mind - In South India astrologers > use Kavadi (shells) > for doing astronomical and astrological > calculations. It should have > been the same throughout India since > the same is mentioned in > Leelavati as Pati Ganitam. They system is > cute and the experts do the > all the primary (addition, substation, > division, multiplication) and > complex (Astronomical) mathematics > with the aid of these shells > alone, and their method differ. For > example multiplication is always > done from left to right (Not from > right to left as we practice today) > using shells. (It does not > matter whether we use shells or stones for > doing the same - it is > immaterial). Now the point is: THERE IS NO > BOOK WRITTEN YET TO > DESCRIBE THE SYSTEM IN DETAIL - But is the system > is alive with its > full beauty and is practiced and demonstrated > widely by all the > efficient astrologers in Kerala! Usually the expert > ones defeat even > a person with calculator in doing the same > calculation with their > speed of calculation and expertise! Should we > discard such valuable > knowledge telling that it is not mentioned in > any text, or telling > that till today no text mentioned the system and > their for it must > have came to existence recently?!! It is there well > in place for > ages - and it was the ONLY system that was used for > mathematical > calculation in the history of Kerala (possibly whole > India) till > (and after!) the advent of written mathematical > calculation methods > popularized by western education. But if we go by > textual reference > we may find NONE! Is it not absurd?! Is it not > amazing?! The truth > is when everybody knew it, when it is handed over > to generations > through mouth to ear by Guru-Sishya Parampara, when it > is Sruti, why > should it be written down? That should have been the > general > attitude. Further there should have been one more reason - it > is > very difficult to notate and explain the system on paper, but easy > > to teach and learn by teaching and doing, in the direct presence of > > the teacher, the direct example. OK. What ever it be to save the > > system - I am preparing a written document on the same - and that is > > possibly the FIRST document written on the same, even though the > > systems is well known (far better than me) to thousands of > > astrologers in Kerala! So the point is it would be a very big > > mistake, (a very very foolish blunder) to ignore or reject the > > traditional knowledge that is handed over from mouth to ear (taught > > through Guru-Sishya Parampara), but not yet written down, or for > > which no written proof is available. I hope Kaul ji will also make a > > note of this point.==>> However much astronomy is pressed to serve > > the underpinning of > astrology, the predictive curve of the > > discipline > (a disproportionately larger part of its overall corpus) > > escapes > the hard grip of mathematical coordinates.<==I agree.==>> > > The curve places much of the discipline in the province of art. The > > > spingboard for the art is always there, nevertheless. <==I > disagree > completely and the reason for my disagreement, I have > already > expressed in detail in " Base of Astrology.doc " present in > the files > section of the forum. The quote from that document, is > given below-> <SNIP> " When one understands this basic rationale of > astrology, the > unnecessary arguments and debates will stop. We must > try to see > astrology in its true theoretical foundation. Why should > we argue > whether astrology is an art or science? Astrology is > nothing but > Astrology. If somebody asks whether bat is bird or not, > what would be > the answer? It will only create an unending array of > positive and > negative arguments. If somebody asks whether history is > science or > not, even without my intervention, one will know that the > result > would be the same. Bat is bat, history is history and > astrology is > nothing but astrology, neither science nor an art. The > fault lies in > our view. Why should we try to cast something into a > particular > mould, or to limit subjects into some colored boxes? Man > wants to > classify everything. The truth would be always beyond all > the > classifications. It stays outside all the classification > attempts. > The fault lies fundamentally with the fragmented human > brain that > tries to classify everything, which ultimately leads to > erroneous > knowledge. This fundamental error remains unsolved and we > are trying > to limit the subjects in to predefined boxes. It is the > second > mistake. Will these repeated errors lead us to correct > knowledge and > view? " </SNIP>Let us forget the minor friction between > Madhu ji and > Kaul ji over Sanskrit and English - and let us be back > on our > discussions. By the way I would urge all (especially Pandit > ji, Madhu > ji and RK ji etc) to continue with the normal predictive > astrological > discussion in parallel threads - otherwise somebody > many lose > interest. The theoretical discussion are not of interest > to all.At > the same time let these other discussions on " Presence of > astrology > in Vedas " etc also go in parallel, I will handle the same > (and let > all who are interested in the same join), since that is the > subject > much interest to me as well. But if my energy is totally > flowing in > these lines, I may not be able to concentrate on the > " Discussions on > Predictive astrological techniques " or Case studies > > fully.Love,Sreenadh--- In , > > rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote:>> Dear Nair Saab,> Welcome back. In fact > > you never went, your going away having been foreclosed by Friend > > Shreenadh. > > I read up the posts and counter-posts. Sad that the > > forum sees (sometimes, fortunately only sometimes) such attitude-> > throwing. We seem unable to keep the subject proper in the > > foreground. Clarity, consistency and quality insights should inform > > this foreground. All else should be secondary. > > And then > > scholarship. Indeed.> > Debates about the moorings of astrology will > > always be fraught with variances and dissents as indeed about many of > > its tenets and assumptions. For a discipline like astology (call it > > vedic, Indian or Oriental), we haven't, as far as my understanding > > goes, a cast-iron bedrock of the Written Word -- veda (as also much > > of post-vedic expositions) being shruti, words of mouth; where the > > words are written down, the contents are destined to hold intutional > > afflatus. However much astronomy is pressed to serve the underpinning > > of astrology, the predictive curve of the discipline (a > > disproportionately larger part of its overall corpus) escapes the > > hard grip of mathematical coordinates. The curve places much of the > > discipline in the province of art. The spingboard for the art is > > always there, nevertheless. > > But we have to be careful. That is my > > understanding.> > We in our efforts at 'mastering' the discipline > > are, in a way, at a disadvantage. Hence the need for patience, polite > > openness and wise humility can't be overemphasised. I'd urge you to > > bear with some of us. Your desire to leave (in distress perhaps) the > > group must have served its purpose -- that of highlighting the > > futility of pettiness (Yes, I would like to see who faults someone > > else's English and thereby deludes himslef he can detract from the > > good many of us bring to the forum.).> > Sreenadh has acted his part > > well. I expected Mr 'Bharat' to have given an even better account of > > himself.> > Let's make the most of our forum togetherness. > > RK > > Dash> > > Madhu Nair <balagurusurya@> wrote:> Dear Bharat,> At the > > outset , Thanks a lot , for your support and solidarity with me, for > > the cause of Nirayana Zodiac and to thwart the effort of pedants > > commited to denigrate it.> > I take note of your resplendent views on > > Nirayana Zodiac duly quoting Holy Vedas , for which , Sri Kishen > Kaul > alias Mohan Jyotishi ,has No answer. > > It is quite > unfortunate, Sri > Kaul, a Kashmiri Pandit by birth, in the guise of > rational thinking , > unwittingly is playing into the hands of > detractors of Jyotish.> > > Today , Sreenadh rang up and he broach the > entire issue of different > Zodiac and his views about it, with me..> > > As desired by your good > self and Sreenadh , I am back in the > list.> > With Warm Personal > Regards,> > Madhu Nair > > > > Bharat > Hindu Astrology > <hinduastrology@> wrote:> Namaste Sri Kaul> > A > discussion takes > place when:> > 1. I am a learner and a student of > yours or you are a > learner and student of mine> 2. Both of us are > open to learning, > exploring.> 3. If you are a knower of something > that I seek or I am a > knower of something that you seek and we ask > the knower. > > You and > I do not satisfy any of the criteria. You > are pre-decided on most > things. You have not answered close to 20 > queries put up by me OR > more than 50 by others. You cannot expect us > to answer your misplaced > contentions, especially when you have no > attitude nor openness for > learning. > > I am not busy for seeking > knowledge or for sharing it, > but, I would rather not waste time with > another useless debate with > you. > > Infact, if you notice, I was > not even discussing with you. I > was discussing with Sri Madhu and > Sri Sreenadh. > > Thanks and > Regards> Bharat> > > > On 6/16/07, > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen@> > wrote: Shri Bharat ji,> Namaskar! > > > First of all I must congratulate > Shri Sreemadhji for keeping the > > posts on this forum unmoderated! It > needs really an open mind to do > > so!> Now coming to your points:> I > have never asked anyone to > agree with me or even disagree with me, > > for that matter. In a > democracy, anybody is at liberty to cherish > > any system for being > fleeced by charlatans or fleecing others! I am > > no cop, please rest > assured! The problem arises only when we say > > that these gimmicks > of predictions are based on the Vedas and have > > been revealed by > Rishis like Prashara and Brighu etc. etc. > > Naturally, anybody > making such claims will have to substantiate them > > with chapter and > verse and not just go on repeating " Jyotish is > > Vedic " , " Jyotish is > based on what Maharshi Prashara has said " and so > > on and so forth! > > Kindly go through all the files that I have > uploaded on this forum > > and do give a point by point reply. If you > take time out to peruse > > them patiently (Koshur6), you will see that > I was sailing in the > > same boat as you are sailing today! In other > words, I was a more > > stauch " nirayana astrologer " for quite a few > years than nyybody > > else! Later on, with equal vehemence, I becamse > a firm believer > in > " Sayana Vedic astrology " for several years! > Since nobody, > > including the " Vedic jyotishis " themselves, whether > sayana or > > nirayana, has as yet been able to pinpoint the existence > of Mesha, > > Vrisha etc. astrological rashis, leave alone sayana or > nirayana, in > > any of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha or the Yajur > Jyotisha or > > even Atharva Jyotisha, obviously, we have been taken > for a ride > for > quite some time by such charlatans as claim that the > Vedas > talk of > nothing else but predictive gimmicks!> It may perhaps > be a > " revelation " to you that we do not find any > mention of the > much > dreaded Mangal and Shani either in any of the > Vedas or any of > the > Vedic astronomical works! I wonder whether you > know that except > > for Maya the mlechha's Surya Sidhanta, no other > sidhanta of even > > the Panchasidhantika refers to any Rashis or > Mangal, Shani etc. > > planets even by mistake! To crown it all, the > Surya Sidhanta of > > Panchasidhantika is the most inaccurate > astronomical work that > > could have been produced by anybody! > Ironically, Varahamihira found > > that very Surya Sidhanta to be the > most accurate - spashta taro > > savitrah! Varahamhira is supposed to > have been the greatest Indian > > astrologer of all times! Naturally, > if someone can make correct > > predictions from incorrect data, he > certainly is a charlatan than > > anything else! Thus you can say > that " Varahamihira was the greatest > > charlatan of Indian astrology of > all times " . There was a > genetleman > in twentieth century also who > could make coorect > predictions > about " notable horoscopes " with > incorrect data. He was > also known > as the greatest Vedic astrologer > of the twentieth > century! That > much for Indian astrology!> Dhanyavad.> > > , " Bharat Hindu > Astrology " > > <hinduastrology@> wrote:> >> > Namaste Sri Sreenadh> > > > Forcing a > > concept down the throat is not the way of a Scholar. Nor > does a> > > > Scholar is one who has such a closed mind, who cannot accept that > > > views> > other than his own can exist. There a vast difference > > between a > true scholar> > who pursues knowledge knowing that > > Ignorance is so vast that he > better be> > humble.> > > > By giving > > useless logic and wrong translations and without > answering any> > > > queries, one does not become a Scholar.> > > > I reserve my judgment > > about this person and his " lookalikes " > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Bharat> > > > > On 6/15/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > > > Dear Bharat ji,> > > " Sri Kaul and his belief system " => That is cute > > terminology. > > > ==>> > > > He uses sarcasm and calls names to > > those who does not agree to > his> > > > thinking.> > > <==> > > That > > is not good - if he does so.> > > ==>> > > > He is trying to force > > his way around in proving all> > > > others are wrong.> > > <==> > > > > That is quite natural for a scholar - and he is I assure.> > >> > > > > ==>> > > > Another such a character is Mohan Jyotishi.> > > <==> > > > > Are they two different characters; or just another id of Kaul > > > itself?> > >> > > ==>> > > > You need not leave group and help serve > > their purpose. Rather > stay> > > > and enjoy their mostly baseless > > contentions.> > > <==> > >> > > I agree to the first statement and > > stand by the same. But would> > > disagree to the second, since > > Kaul's arguments also has some> > > supportive evidence, like a > > person seeing a 2 colored kite from > only> > > one side. The truth > > is both Sayana and Nirayana system existed in> > > Vedic period, and > > also that Nirayana system of astrology is more > of> > > Tantric > > origin than of Vedic. But let us not fight over > terminology> > > > > but rather search the fruits of it, so that it would be of some > > > use> > > to us.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > > > > > <%> > > 40>, > > > " Bharat Hindu> > > Astrology " > > <hinduastrology@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste Sri Madhu> > > >> > > > > > I have had discussions with Sri Kaul and his belief system. I > > > did> > > not agree> > > > to it and still call Vedic Astrology as > > Vedic only. He uses > sarcasm> > > and> > > > calls names to those > > who does not agree to his thinking. He is> > > trying to> > > > force > > his way around in proving all others are wrong. He has > done> > > > so > in> > > > various lists. In fact, Sri Windhall wrote an excellent > > reply > to his> > > > contentions, to which he did not reply.> > > > >> > > > > Another such a character is Mohan Jyotishi. There is no > point> > > > discussing> > > > things with them. They are no one to > determine > whether > Astrology is> > > Vedic or> > > > not. I am born > to the > culture and shall call it Vedic, > including> > > astrology.> > > > >> > > > > You need not leave group and help serve their purpose. > Rather > > stay> > > and enjoy> > > > their mostly baseless > contentions.> > > >> > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Bharat> > > >> > > > > On 6/15/07, > Balagurusurya <balagurusurya@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dear > Sreenadh ,> > > > > When I wrote a reply to Kishen Kaul,I > meant No > offence to > him.> > > > > I just suggested to verify the > meaning > of " Parashara " with > a> > > > > learned Sanskrit scholar, > since I > understand that one meaning> > > > > attributed to > " Parashara' > is " The Liberated one " , that > means ,> > > > > > Parashara can never > be a single person & BPHS may be a> > > > contribution> > > > > of > several realised souls .> > > > > > Unfortunately , he was finding > fault with my English. I could> > > > > > clearly make out his > sarcastic note of my English.> > > > > I was > under the presumption > that the list was meant for > learning> > > > > > Jyotish. Now I > realise it is for learning flowery English> > > > Language. I> > > > > > know Kishen Kaul and his known hostility to > Nirayana > Zodiac .If I> > > > > > recollect correctly, VSK reviewed > his ephemeris, years > back .> > > > >> > > > > Anyway, I am sure , as > Mohan or in some > other alias he will> > > return to> > > > > vent > his spite. 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