Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Dear Pandit ji, * You are right in stating that Yamas (Yama lordship) are in order of weekdays. * The (Kala) horas that decide why Sunday follows Saturday and Tuesday follows Monday are based on the speed of motion of planets in the zodiac. The list is moon, mercury, Venus, sun, mars , Jupiter, Saturn. - Yes this also is a true statement. One of the authentic quote for calculating " Kala hora lords " (i.e. 1 hour each) is available in Madhaveeyam, which read- " Dina dwadesamso mata kalahora Patistasya poorvasya varadhi nadha Tata shashta shashta kremenetaresham Nisayantu vareswaral panchamadya " [1/12 th of a day is termed Kalahora (hour). The lord of the first division of the same each day is the lord of the day itself. The lord of the next Kalahora (hour) would be the planet 6th in when counted using the list of weekdays. In the night the 5th planet (counted using the list of weekdays) would be the lord] Thus, For Sunday - 1. Sun (lord of week),2. Venus (6th week lord from Sun- day), 3. Mercury (6th week lord from Venus-day), 4. Moon (6th week lord from Mercury-day), 5. Saturn(6th week lord from Moon-day), 6. Jupiter (6th week lord from Saturn-day), 7.Mars (6th week lord from Jupiter-day) For Sunday - 1. Moon (6th week lord from Mercury-day), 2. Saturn(6th week lord from Moon-day) and so on. Would be the order. Note that, the Kalahora (hour) lords are in the order Sun-Venus-Mercury-Moon-Saturn-Jupiter-Mars. The sanskrit verse fragment denoting this order is " Arka-Sukra-Budha-Chandra-Manda-Jeeva- Dharasuta " . Just take the order of Kalahora for Saturday (or break the above order given for Sunday at Moon and reverse fit it) we get, the reverse order as you said (based on the speed of motion of planets) as: Saturn-Jupiter-Mars-Sun-Venus-Mercury-Moon. Thus you are absolutely right that, kalahora (hour) lordship is assigned based on the speed of motion of planets. Kalahora lordship is fundamental in- * Naming the Days * Determining the rhythm of the day * Deriving results based on the rhythm of the day and so on. But by now (i.e. Once the Kalahora lordship is applied, the and weekday lordship is in place), the sages must have thought of applying/re-using this lordship again for the determination of rhythm of day, applying it in other subdivisions such as Yama. That is why the Yama lordship is in the order of Weekdays. You should not that the same strategy is applied in the Rasichakra as well. For example, 1) Starting from Leo to Capricorn, the sign lordship is: Sun-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn 2) Starting from Cancer to Aquarius in reverse order, the sign lordship is: Moon-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn Note that here also the speed of motion of the planet is the most critical and determining fact. But when once this system is in place and the sign lords are known, for the further subdivisions such as Navamsa, Dwadasamsa etc. The sign lords in the order of sign lords (similar to week lords in the order of weekdays for Yama) is used. Thus for the Navamsas with in Aries as you know we have the navamsa lordship order Mars-Venus-Mercury-Moon-Sun etc (the order of sign lords)! Note that the basic strategy used remains the same! The strategy is- 1) Take a fundamental thing (such as speed of planets) apply it to have the system in place. 2) Apply this system (which is well founded) in further study (sub- divisions). This is the beauty of astrology and this is why it is important to understand that the ancient system of astrology is very very systematic! Love, Sreenadh , Panditji <navagraha wrote: > > Namaste Sreenadh, > > I was going through your post on birth time rectification. One question that > popped is why the Yamas are in order of week days ( If I am reading it > right) and not in the order of horas ? The horas that decide why sunday > follws saturday and tuesday follows monday are based on the speed of motion > of planets in the zodiac. The list is moon, mercury, veus, sun, mars , > jupiter, saturn. > > Thanks > > ... > > > On 7/10/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I was a full time astrologer - and was charging for sure - even > > though not requesting specific amounts. The querent or native was free > > to give any amount of money they wish - but you should remember that > > almost all the Kerala people are pretty descent and used to give least > > 100 and Devaprasna etc I used to get very big amounts. As far as > > charging the clients is concerned if I am a full time astrologer, now > > too I will do the same - no doubt - and will speak out the amount > > (charge) as well if the querents become too stingy after wasting my lot > > of time. There won't be any doubt in my mind for looking back on the > > same or rethinking - because the idea, and conviction is pretty clear. > > Yes, no advice on the same also won't be appreciated - because it is a > > personal thing - any one is free to do what they feel right in such > > matters. If you don't want to charge - don't do it that is all to it; > > If somebody is charging, who are you to ask them not to charge! > > Now I am working as a software quality engineer, and astrology > > interests me as ever or more. And I am not much interested in reading > > many charts - for free or for money - and the interest in astrology is > > purely academical. Now if I have to read somebody's chart I will read > > it for free - but if somebody is coming to me and DEMANDING a free > > reading - for sure I will politely but for sure ask him to 'get out'. I > > won't have any doubt in that as well - because, he can have his > > decisions, but not mine. Now I can do chart readings for free only > > because I have another livelihood - and no more in need of money from > > astrology. > > Astrologers: Yes, there would be many who read charts for free; who > > take Dakshina alone; who charge fixed and at times huge amounts. > > People : Yes, there would be many who DEMAND a free reading (as we > > could see in most of the astrology lists); who request a reading; who > > pay a nominal Dakshina; who pay a Decent dakshina; who give the amount > > as charged/asked by the charging astrologer; and who pay very big > > amount as a donation. > > Yes, people are different, astrologers are different and there are no > > hard coded laws - even if some believe so. And the main problem is we > > don't have the right ask someone to do some thing for free as long as > > we are not paying their house rent and food cost of food and > > clothing. > > > > P.S: Personal decisions are personal decisions and public public – it > > is wrong to mix and match the two and jump into the wrong pits and > > decisions. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Dear Pandit ji, There is a small correction/typo in my previous mail. After mentioning the sign lordship, I said - " Note that here also the speed of motion of the planet is the most critical and determining fact " It should be read as- " Note that here THE DISTANCE FROM SUN is the most critical and determining fact " Regards, Sreenadh , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Pandit ji, > * You are right in stating that Yamas (Yama lordship) are in order > of weekdays. > * The (Kala) horas that decide why Sunday follows Saturday and > Tuesday follows Monday are based on the speed of motion > of planets in the zodiac. The list is moon, mercury, Venus, sun, > mars , Jupiter, Saturn. - Yes this also is a true statement. > > One of the authentic quote for calculating " Kala hora lords " (i.e. 1 > hour each) is available in Madhaveeyam, which read- > " Dina dwadesamso mata kalahora > Patistasya poorvasya varadhi nadha > Tata shashta shashta kremenetaresham > Nisayantu vareswaral panchamadya " > [1/12 th of a day is termed Kalahora (hour). The lord of the first > division of the same each day is the lord of the day itself. The lord > of the next Kalahora (hour) would be the planet 6th in when counted > using the list of weekdays. In the night the 5th planet (counted > using the list of weekdays) would be the lord] > Thus, > For Sunday - 1. Sun (lord of week),2. Venus (6th week lord from Sun- > day), 3. Mercury (6th week lord from Venus-day), 4. Moon (6th week > lord from Mercury-day), 5. Saturn(6th week lord from Moon-day), 6. > Jupiter (6th week lord from Saturn-day), 7.Mars (6th week lord from > Jupiter-day) > For Sunday - 1. Moon (6th week lord from Mercury-day), 2. Saturn (6th > week lord from Moon-day) and so on. > Would be the order. Note that, the Kalahora (hour) lords are in the > order Sun-Venus-Mercury-Moon-Saturn-Jupiter-Mars. The sanskrit verse > fragment denoting this order is " Arka-Sukra-Budha-Chandra-Manda- Jeeva- > Dharasuta " . > Just take the order of Kalahora for Saturday (or break the above > order given for Sunday at Moon and reverse fit it) we get, the > reverse order as you said (based on the speed of motion of planets) > as: Saturn-Jupiter-Mars-Sun-Venus-Mercury-Moon. > Thus you are absolutely right that, kalahora (hour) lordship is > assigned based on the speed of motion of planets. > > Kalahora lordship is fundamental in- > * Naming the Days > * Determining the rhythm of the day > * Deriving results based on the rhythm of the day > and so on. > > But by now (i.e. Once the Kalahora lordship is applied, the and > weekday lordship is in place), the sages must have thought of > applying/re-using this lordship again for the determination of rhythm > of day, applying it in other subdivisions such as Yama. That is why > the Yama lordship is in the order of Weekdays. > You should not that the same strategy is applied in the Rasichakra > as well. For example, > 1) Starting from Leo to Capricorn, the sign lordship is: > Sun-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn > 2) Starting from Cancer to Aquarius in reverse order, the sign > lordship is: > Moon-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn > > Note that here also the speed of motion of the planet is the most > critical and determining fact. But when once this system is in place > and the sign lords are known, for the further subdivisions such as > Navamsa, Dwadasamsa etc. The sign lords in the order of sign lords > (similar to week lords in the order of weekdays for Yama) is used. > Thus for the Navamsas with in Aries as you know we have the navamsa > lordship order Mars-Venus-Mercury-Moon-Sun etc (the order of sign > lords)! > > Note that the basic strategy used remains the same! The strategy is- > 1) Take a fundamental thing (such as speed of planets) apply it to > have the system in place. > 2) Apply this system (which is well founded) in further study (sub- > divisions). > > This is the beauty of astrology and this is why it is important > to understand that the ancient system of astrology is very very > systematic! > > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Panditji > <navagraha@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Sreenadh, > > > > I was going through your post on birth time rectification. One > question that > > popped is why the Yamas are in order of week days ( If I am reading > it > > right) and not in the order of horas ? The horas that decide why > sunday > > follws saturday and tuesday follows monday are based on the speed > of motion > > of planets in the zodiac. The list is moon, mercury, veus, sun, > mars , > > jupiter, saturn. > > > > Thanks > > > > ... > > > > > > On 7/10/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > I was a full time astrologer - and was charging for sure - even > > > though not requesting specific amounts. The querent or native was > free > > > to give any amount of money they wish - but you should remember > that > > > almost all the Kerala people are pretty descent and used to give > least > > > 100 and Devaprasna etc I used to get very big amounts. As far as > > > charging the clients is concerned if I am a full time astrologer, > now > > > too I will do the same - no doubt - and will speak out the amount > > > (charge) as well if the querents become too stingy after wasting > my lot > > > of time. There won't be any doubt in my mind for looking back on > the > > > same or rethinking - because the idea, and conviction is pretty > clear. > > > Yes, no advice on the same also won't be appreciated - because it > is a > > > personal thing - any one is free to do what they feel right in > such > > > matters. If you don't want to charge - don't do it that is all to > it; > > > If somebody is charging, who are you to ask them not to charge! > > > Now I am working as a software quality engineer, and astrology > > > interests me as ever or more. And I am not much interested in > reading > > > many charts - for free or for money - and the interest in > astrology is > > > purely academical. Now if I have to read somebody's chart I will > read > > > it for free - but if somebody is coming to me and DEMANDING a free > > > reading - for sure I will politely but for sure ask him to 'get > out'. I > > > won't have any doubt in that as well - because, he can have his > > > decisions, but not mine. Now I can do chart readings for free only > > > because I have another livelihood - and no more in need of money > from > > > astrology. > > > Astrologers: Yes, there would be many who read charts for free; > who > > > take Dakshina alone; who charge fixed and at times huge amounts. > > > People : Yes, there would be many who DEMAND a free reading (as we > > > could see in most of the astrology lists); who request a reading; > who > > > pay a nominal Dakshina; who pay a Decent dakshina; who give the > amount > > > as charged/asked by the charging astrologer; and who pay very big > > > amount as a donation. > > > Yes, people are different, astrologers are different and there > are no > > > hard coded laws - even if some believe so. And the main problem > is we > > > don't have the right ask someone to do some thing for free as > long as > > > we are not paying their house rent and food cost of food and > > > clothing. > > > > > > P.S: Personal decisions are personal decisions and public public – > it > > > is wrong to mix and match the two and jump into the wrong pits and > > > decisions. > > > > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Dhananjayan Brahma ji, If the birth time is on brim, then apply some rectification method and it would be no more in brim and and all your confusion about brim would be gone and then the confusion would be about rectification. If you are looking for a detailed write-up on Birth time rectification methods, the following could be helpful: Sreenadh OG/Birth%20Rectification%20(Complete).pdf Love and regards,Sreenadh , Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya wrote:>> Pranams,> > Mr.Bhaskar ji and Mr.Anand jain ji,> > Few decades ago,I was taught to cast lagna sputa manually and to cross check its (lagna sputa) correctness by means of a verification arithmetic.Now those systems of calculations are seem to be obsolete in the present day software era for e.g., the instant case(DOB: 14.10.1960 @ 19.30 in Delhi).> By using Lahiri Aynamsa(23-18-33.74) > software lagna sputa is :0Ta 01'09.93" but my earlier learnt cross check lagna sputa arithmetic indicates Aries lagna.> Any open discussions would help the people learn who are similarly placed like me.> I request the big brains to throw light on the matter!> > Regards/Dhananjayan> P.S: Lagna sputa confirmatory arithmetic formula :Multiply janma nazhigai by six add Souramana birth date and divide by thirty - add the quotient to the Surya rasi to get the lagna[N.B:IF THE REMAINDER IS IN EXCESS OF SIX ADD ONE TO QUOTIENT]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Pranams,Thank you very much,I just started reading found quite interesting.Regards/Dhananjayan--- On Mon, 13/7/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:Sreenadh <sreesog Re: BT rectification Date: Monday, 13 July, 2009, 2:06 AM Dear Dhananjayan Brahma ji, If the birth time is on brim, then apply some rectification method and it would be no more in brim and and all your confusion about brim would be gone and then the confusion would be about rectification. If you are looking for a detailed write-up on Birth time rectification methods, the following could be helpful: http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology Sreenadh OG/Birth%20Rectific ation%20( Complete) .pdf Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya wrote:>> Pranams,> > Mr.Bhaskar ji and Mr.Anand jain ji,> > Few decades ago,I was taught to cast lagna sputa manually and to cross check its (lagna sputa) correctness by means of a verification arithmetic.Now those systems of calculations are seem to be obsolete in the present day software era for e.g., the instant case(DOB: 14.10.1960 @ 19.30 in Delhi).> By using Lahiri Aynamsa(23-18- 33.74) > software lagna sputa is :0Ta 01'09.93" but my earlier learnt cross check lagna sputa arithmetic indicates Aries lagna.> Any open discussions would help the people learn who are similarly placed like me.> I request the big brains to throw light on the matter!> > Regards/Dhananjayan> P.S: Lagna sputa confirmatory arithmetic formula :Multiply janma nazhigai by six add Souramana birth date and divide by thirty - add the quotient to the Surya rasi to get the lagna[N.B:IF THE REMAINDER IS IN EXCESS OF SIX ADD ONE TO QUOTIENT]. New Email names for you! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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