Vedic astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas!

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Shri Sreenadh ji,

Namaskar!

As is an open secret by now, and as

you have said yourself, there are no Mesha etc. Rashis in the

Vedas, especially the much talked about Makara Rashi. As every

member of this forum knows, a tapasvini, together with her shishyas,

in spite of her forty years' tapasya, was unable to quote even a

single Vedc mantra -- leave alone several mantras----in support of

her claim that the Vedic Rishis had advised us to celebrate the

solar ingress into Makar Rashi, that also a so called Sayana one!

All she could do was to advise us to perform yoga to visualize those

Rashis in the Vedas, though she had said herself that the Vedas had

talked of the methodology of calculating horoscopes at several

places! Ironically, she herself and her shishyas calculate their own

horoscopes neither through tapasya nor through yoga nor through

the " Vedic methodology (sic!) " but by means of the data provided by

NASA of the US

of A! In fact, that is what every " Vedic astrologer "

is doing for himself/herself as well as for his/her clients--

calculating " Vedic horoscopes " from the data provided by NASA!

 

Then again, Dr. Vartak of Maharashtra, who is

a famous astrologer

for " fixing " the date of Bhagwan Rama etc., had to admit that in

spite of his best efforts he was unable to locate at least three

Rashis (and Makar Rashi was one of them!) in the Vedas! The rest of

the nine rashis that he has talked about are not present in any

systematic manner like Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras anywhere nor

are they present by the names of Mesha etc. but Dr.Vartak has

interpreted some other words as meaning Tula etc. Rashis!

 

A lot of posts are available on this forum on all such discussion

and no need to repeat them here!

 

Now that there are no rashis in the Vedas, obviously to call any

predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology is an insult to the real

Vamadevas by their namesakes of today! For the same reason, it is

also the greatest fraud on the Vedas and as such, any such gimmicks

being called Vedic astrology can be challenged under the Consumer

Protection Act.

But I know it is just a pipe dream on my part to expect any such

action by anybody since India

i.e. Bharat is a country of " Vedic

astrologers " for " Vedic astrologers " and ruled by " Vedic

astrologers "

in spite of the fact that no Vedic Rishi has said anywhere that we

should consult our horoscopes before embarking on any action!

As such, the main casualty will continue be our festivals, fasts

and muhurtas, thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and their " Vedic

astrology "

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

 

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Dear Kaul ji,

Don't be so clever. I never said " there are no Mesha etc. Rashis

in the Vedas " ; but instead I said " it is YOUR openian " . Of course I

have clarified with a well prepared document that the same (Both

Sayana and Nirayana Zodiac) is described in Vedas. The document is

available in the files section - and is " Open " to everyone and not

even a " secret " .

As of your comment about the Patricia ji is concerned, I agree with

your comments; Even though I have a good respect for her contributions

too.

As far as the terminology " Vedic astrology " is concerned, I have

clarified to you many times that this forum deals with " Ancient Indian

Astrology " and NOT " Vedic astrology " alone. As you may know from any

Vedic literature and Puranic references " Vedic astrology " (It exists!)

gives more importance to Sayana system and Nakshatras. But this group

appreciates " Vedic Astrology " and " Non-Vedic (Tantric) astrology " . As

many may know from the words " Jyotisham Agama Sastram " (Astrology is

an Agama, i.e. Tantric, branch of studying the rhythm of time, i.e.

Kalavidhana sastram), we appreciate and give importance to it as

" Non-Vedic Astrology " than as " Vedic Astrology " .

You should be also knowing that we appreciate knowledge from

wherever it is - as far as it is valuable.

As you and me could appreciate the greatness of many bastards for

their greatness without considering their origin; such as -

Rama = Not born to Dasaradha

Christ = Not born to Joseph

Pandavas = Not born to Pandu

Karna = Not born to Pandu

etc and you could extend this list with many other names such as the

great Krishna etc - you should by now be knowing that the " Greatness " ,

" Value " or " Merit " does not depend on " Origin " but instead on the

inherent quality of the individual and the subject.

For us it is NOT a pre-requisite that everything should be Vedic to

appreciate its merit. Even if knowledge is " Non-Vedic " , " Tantric " ,

" Saivist " " Buddist " , " Dravidian " , " Jainist " or even " Babylonian " ,

" Archedian " , " Greek " , " Egyptian " , " Western " we can appreciate it for

its merit. But of course the stress in the forum is to discuss

" Ancient Indian Astrology " what ever be their origin.

Hope you see the point.

 

Note: Dear Kaul ji, not that the many quotes available from Sanka Hora

(Jyotishmati), Brihat Prajapatya, Vasishta Hora, Garga Hora, Kausika

Hora, Saunaka Hora, Parasara Hora, Lomasa Samhita, Vishnugupta Hora,

Satyacharya Hora etc is enough for us to appreciate the value of

Ancient Indian Astrology. As I have mentioned earlier I already have a

collection of more than 1500 slokas from those texts with me – which

proves the value and merit of the subject and also well proves that it

is " Ancient Indian " subject of study.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " jyotirved "

<jyotirved wrote:

>

Shri Sreenadh ji,

>

> Namaskar!

> As is an open secret by now, and as you have said yourself, there are no

> Mesha etc. Rashis in the

> Vedas, especially the much talked about Makara Rashi. As every

> member of this forum knows, a tapasvini, together with her shishyas,

> in spite of her forty years' tapasya, was unable to quote even a

> single Vedc mantra -- leave alone several mantras----in support of

> her claim that the Vedic Rishis had advised us to celebrate the

> solar ingress into Makar Rashi, that also a so called Sayana one!

> All she could do was to advise us to perform yoga to visualize those

> Rashis in the Vedas, though she had said herself that the Vedas had

> talked of the methodology of calculating horoscopes at several

> places! Ironically, she herself and her shishyas calculate their own

> horoscopes neither through tapasya nor through yoga nor through

> the " Vedic methodology (sic!) " but by means of the data provided by

> NASA of the US of A! In fact, that is what every " Vedic astrologer "

> is doing for himself/herself as well as for his/her clients--

> calculating " Vedic horoscopes " from the data provided by NASA!

>

> Then again, Dr. Vartak of Maharashtra, who is a famous astrologer

> for " fixing " the date of Bhagwan Rama etc., had to admit that in

> spite of his best efforts he was unable to locate at least three

> Rashis (and Makar Rashi was one of them!) in the Vedas! The rest of

> the nine rashis that he has talked about are not present in any

> systematic manner like Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras anywhere nor

> are they present by the names of Mesha etc. but Dr.Vartak has

> interpreted some other words as meaning Tula etc. Rashis!

>

> A lot of posts are available on this forum on all such discussion

> and no need to repeat them here!

>

> Now that there are no rashis in the Vedas, obviously to call any

> predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology is an insult to the real

> Vamadevas by their namesakes of today! For the same reason, it is

> also the greatest fraud on the Vedas and as such, any such gimmicks

> being called Vedic astrology can be challenged under the Consumer

> Protection Act.

> But I know it is just a pipe dream on my part to expect any such

> action by anybody since India i.e. Bharat is a country of " Vedic

> astrologers " for " Vedic astrologers " and ruled by " Vedic astrologers "

> in spite of the fact that no Vedic Rishi has said anywhere that we

> should consult our horoscopes before embarking on any action!

> As such, the main casualty will continue be our festivals, fasts

> and muhurtas, thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and their " Vedic

> astrology "

> With regards,

> Avtar Krishen Kaul

>