Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Dear Sreenadhji & group members, Some thoughts on the subject under discussion: (a)What Parashara Rishi has stated in BPHS for the placement of Lagna lord in houses is remarkably profound & gives very accurate results. The most important point to consider is the strength of the Lagnesh (particularly in the Navamsha Kundli which can remarkably alter the results for better or worse),the conjunction of Lagnesh with other grahas & the Drishti it recieves. A strong Lagnesh if placed in good bhavas & recieving aspects solely from benefics is a blessing in the horosocope & all the yogas found in the chart will have a strong foundation on which to function. Hoping to hear from the other members on this issue Regards, aavesh sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna dear swami nathan ji, U got the prediction from me and lagna lord venus in another own house 6th house and i expalain u the results and its remedies and further actions to be followed , But this is greedy attitude and it wont take u any where and pls steer away from this >This group is purely based on discussions and learning .so If u wanted to learn u r welcome . Pls dont interfere with any discussions U can always post ur experiences in further discussions when ever relevent topic come and not get another reading in the pretext of learning .As we here got enoughbad experices on all other reading sites and now atleast pls help us maintain purety of this forum . all the best to u sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear swaminathan ji,> The question is "out of scope" considering the current discussion. > (view clarified in previous mails to manju ji in the current thread) > I don't want the thread to deviate from the subject under discussion.> Love,> Sreenadh> > , swaminathan > kalyanaraman kaldkpl@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mr. Sreenadh,> > For Rishaba Lagna, if the Venus is placed in 6th at Libra during > his dasa will give Venus do good or bad.> > > > > > manjuch2001 manjuch2001@ wrote:> > > , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per > > BPHS> > > is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same.> > > =================================> > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives> > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits,> > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives,> > > intelligent.> > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good > > longevity,> > > many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.> > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first > > born> > > (child), admired by government and authorities.> > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from > > enemies,> > > bad health.> > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will > > die> > > early (or married life will not go long), he will become > > uninterested in> > > worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his native land > and> > > wander/visit many places, It is possible that he won't be much> > > wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would be a very > > wealthy> > > person like a king.> > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by > > diseases,> > > interested in others wives, will be interested in all kinds of > > games> > > such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much angry.> > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master > of> > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children.> > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native > > will> > > have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much > > popular.> > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity > > (popularity> > > due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many wives.> > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry > > (especially> > > if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic aspects > 12th)> > > =================================> > > > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , manju chawla> > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping > > us God> > > bless you> > > > regards> > > > manju> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject "What should be> > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses?" - let the > > discussion go> > > > first and then comparison of it with actual results.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence with > > perfection,Excellence-I> > > can reach for,Perfection is God's business---Michael J.Fox> > > >> > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Dear Aavesh, ==> 1) -- > The most important point to consider is the strength of the > Lagnesh (particularly in the Navamsha Kundli .... 2) -- > A strong Lagnesh if placed in good bhavas & recieving aspects > solely from benefics is a blessing in the horosocope <== Subject is " out of context " and will not be addressed. Arguments going hay where away from the subject under discussion in the thread. Please stick to the context, or better, understand the context in which the subject is being discussed. Refer to the mail to manju ji to get a basic idea. Regards, Sreenadh , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Dear Sreenadhji & group members, > > Some thoughts on the subject under discussion: > > (a)What Parashara Rishi has stated in BPHS for the placement of Lagna lord in houses is remarkably profound & gives very accurate results. > > The most important point to consider is the strength of the Lagnesh (particularly in the Navamsha Kundli which can remarkably alter the results for better or worse),the conjunction of Lagnesh with other grahas & the Drishti it recieves. > > A strong Lagnesh if placed in good bhavas & recieving aspects solely > from benefics is a blessing in the horosocope & all the yogas found in the > chart will have a strong foundation on which to function. > > Hoping to hear from the other members on this issue > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > Hare ramakrishna > dear swami nathan ji, > U got the prediction from me and lagna lord venus in another own house 6th house and i expalain u the results and its remedies and further actions to be followed , > But this is greedy attitude and it wont take u any where and pls steer away from this >This group is purely based on discussions and learning .so If u wanted to learn u r welcome . > Pls dont interfere with any discussions > U can always post ur experiences in further discussions when ever relevent topic come and not get another reading in the pretext of learning .As we here got enoughbad experices on all other reading sites and now atleast pls help us maintain purety of this forum . > all the best to u > sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear swaminathan ji, > > The question is " out of scope " considering the current discussion. > > (view clarified in previous mails to manju ji in the current thread) > > I don't want the thread to deviate from the subject under discussion. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , swaminathan > > kalyanaraman kaldkpl@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sreenadh, > > > For Rishaba Lagna, if the Venus is placed in 6th at Libra during > > his dasa will give Venus do good or bad. > > > > > > > > > manjuch2001 manjuch2001@ wrote: > > > --- In > > , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per > > > BPHS > > > > is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same. > > > > ================================= > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in - > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits, > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities. > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives, > > > > intelligent. > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good > > > longevity, > > > > many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities. > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first > > > born > > > > (child), admired by government and authorities. > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from > > > enemies, > > > > bad health. > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will > > > die > > > > early (or married life will not go long), he will become > > > uninterested in > > > > worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his native land > > and > > > > wander/visit many places, It is possible that he won't be much > > > > wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would be a very > > > wealthy > > > > person like a king. > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by > > > diseases, > > > > interested in others wives, will be interested in all kinds of > > > games > > > > such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much angry. > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master > > of > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children. > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native > > > will > > > > have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much > > > popular. > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity > > > (popularity > > > > due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many wives. > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry > > > (especially > > > > if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic aspects > > 12th) > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , manju chawla > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping > > > us God > > > > bless you > > > > > regards > > > > > manju > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject " What should be > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " - let the > > > discussion go > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual results. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with > > > perfection,Excellence-I > > > > can reach for,Perfection is God's business---Michael J.Fox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks > > on > > > > TV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > > > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then we test the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go about it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self-evident. Here they are: When in 1st Uncertain in decision When in 2nd Many wives When in 3rd Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives When in 4th Lust When in 5th Angry, loss of the 1st child When in 7th Uninterested in worldly life and wife When in 12th Good health These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by the house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of tenancy as far as 1st lord is concerned. One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment? RK Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear All, The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same. =================================As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in - Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits, righteous, many wives, good qualities.3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives, intelligent.4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first born (child), admired by government and authorities. 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from enemies, bad health.7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will die early (or married life will not go long), he will become uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would be a very wealthy person like a king.8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in all kinds of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much angry.9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master of words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children. 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much popular.11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many wives.12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic aspects 12th) ================================= Love,Sreenadh , manju chawla <manjuch2001 wrote:>> Thank You Sreenadhji> we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping us God bless you> regards> manju> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear All,> Let us start a new discussion on the subject "What should be> predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses?" - let the discussion go> first and then comparison of it with actual results.> Love,> Sreenadh> > > > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence with perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is God's business---Michael J.Fox> > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV.> Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Dear RK ji, Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us together try to find out the reasons based on our logic. > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities such as compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach etc. Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for the logical basis of the above derivation. > When in 2nd: Many wives That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second marriage. When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the native is sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd house makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc. Thus it turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives). It should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord in 2nd house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad result, but as a good result; indicating that the native will have every kind of luxury including women. > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually is of MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is why the derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds of wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due to bhavat bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard. > When in 4th: Lust No idea as of now. > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both 5th house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why the prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st child more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double impact' i think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify) gain of child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born for it to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent) > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is logically ok. > When in 12th: Good health No idea as of now. Love, Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then we test the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go about it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self- evident. Here they are: > > When in 1st > Uncertain in decision > > When in 2nd > Many wives > > When in 3rd > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives > > When in 4th > Lust > > When in 5th > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > When in 7th > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > When in 12th > Good health > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by the house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of tenancy as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment? > > RK > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear All, > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same. > ================================= > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in - > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits, righteous, many wives, good qualities. > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives, intelligent. > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities. > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first born (child), admired by government and authorities. > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from enemies, bad health. > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will die early (or married life will not go long), he will become uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would be a very wealthy person like a king. > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in all kinds of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much angry. > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master of words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children. > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much popular. > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many wives. > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic aspects 12th) > ================================= > > Love, > Sreenadh > > , manju chawla <manjuch2001@> wrote: > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping us God bless you > > regards > > manju > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > Dear All, > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject " What should be > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " - let the discussion go > > first and then comparison of it with actual results. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is God's business--- Michael J.Fox > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Sreenadh, I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1 going to 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife etc). If we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying "where L-5 (or L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted". What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear? Let's carry on, RK Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.> When in 1st : Uncertain in decisionLagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities such as compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach etc. Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for the logical basis of the above derivation.> When in 2nd: Many wivesThat is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second marriage. When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the native is sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd house makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc. Thus it turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives). It should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord in 2nd house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad result, but as a good result; indicating that the native will have every kind of luxury including women.> When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wivesValorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually is of MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is why the derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds of wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due to bhavat bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.> When in 4th: LustNo idea as of now.> When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both 5th house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why the prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st child more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double impact' i think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify) gain of child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born for it to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)> When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is logically ok.> When in 12th: Good healthNo idea as of now.Love,Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote:>> Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then we test the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go about it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self-evident. Here they are:> > When in 1st> Uncertain in decision> > When in 2nd> Many wives> > When in 3rd> Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives> > When in 4th> Lust> > When in 5th> Angry, loss of the 1st child > > When in 7th> Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > When in 12th> Good health> > These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by the house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of tenancy as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment? > > RK> > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear All,> The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same. > =================================> As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives> 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits, righteous, many wives, good qualities.> 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives, intelligent.> 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.> 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first born (child), admired by government and authorities. > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from enemies, bad health.> 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will die early (or married life will not go long), he will become uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would be a very wealthy person like a king.> 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in all kinds of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much angry.> 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master of words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children. > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much popular.> 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many wives.> 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic aspects 12th) > =================================> > Love,> Sreenadh> > , manju chawla <manjuch2001@> wrote:> >> > Thank You Sreenadhji> > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping us God bless you> > regards> > manju> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > Dear All,> > Let us start a new discussion on the subject "What should be> > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses?" - let the discussion go> > first and then comparison of it with actual results.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence with perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is God's business---Michael J.Fox> > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Dear RK ji, You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL going to H-7 is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a malefic' is mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot discount it as far as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is concerned. For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss in detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with your logic and argument. As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the point I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even though the same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly stated, the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta' (good child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open till we cross verify the results with the derivations given in other texts and come to a logical conclusion/derivation. We always have 2 options open to cross check the results predicted by BPHS in this context- 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in other texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam) 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed. But still, the base rule as you pointed out is - ==> > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear? <== To state in other words, the base rule is - " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and other factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being aspected by malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted " We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY WHEN the special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not to contaminate the result indicated by the sloka. If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement completely. Love, Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Sreenadh, > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1 going to 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife etc). If we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying " where L-5 (or L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " . > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear? > > Let's carry on, > RK > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear RK ji, > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic. > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities such as > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach etc. > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for the logical > basis of the above derivation. > > When in 2nd: Many wives > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second marriage. > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the native is > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd house > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc. Thus it > turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives). It > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord in 2nd > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad result, but > as a good result; indicating that the native will have every kind of > luxury including women. > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually is of > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is why the > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds of > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due to bhavat > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard. > > When in 4th: Lust > No idea as of now. > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both 5th > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why the > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st child > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double impact' i > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify) gain of > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born for it > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent) > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is > logically ok. > > When in 12th: Good health > No idea as of now. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , rk dash > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then we test > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go about > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self- > evident. Here they are: > > > > When in 1st > > Uncertain in decision > > > > When in 2nd > > Many wives > > > > When in 3rd > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives > > > > When in 4th > > Lust > > > > When in 5th > > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > When in 7th > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > > When in 12th > > Good health > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor > (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by the > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of tenancy > as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment? > > > > RK > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear All, > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same. > > ================================= > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in - > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits, > righteous, many wives, good qualities. > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives, > intelligent. > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities. > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first > born (child), admired by government and authorities. > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from > enemies, bad health. > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will > die early (or married life will not go long), he will become > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would > be a very wealthy person like a king. > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in all kinds > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much > angry. > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master of > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children. > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native > will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much > popular. > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many wives. > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic > aspects 12th) > > ================================= > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , manju chawla > <manjuch2001@> wrote: > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping us > God bless you > > > regards > > > manju > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject " What should be > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " - let the discussion > go > > > first and then comparison of it with actual results. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is God's business--- > Michael J.Fox > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > TV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to > know how. > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, Where do you get these two books.( Meenaraja hora and Hora Pradeepam) Are they in English? Thanks and best wishes Chitra Wijewickrama .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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