What should be predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses?

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Dear Sreenadhji, Point noted Sir,will stick to the topic under discussion Best Regards, aavesh Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Aavesh,==>1)--> The most important point to consider is the strength of the > Lagnesh

(particularly in the Navamsha Kundli ....2)--> A strong Lagnesh if placed in good bhavas & recieving aspects > solely from benefics is a blessing in the horosocope <==Subject is "out of context" and will not be addressed. Arguments going hay where away from the subject under discussion in the thread.Please stick to the context, or better, understand the context in which the subject is being discussed. Refer to the mail to manju ji to get a basic idea.Regards,Sreenadh , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji & group members,> > Some thoughts on the subject under discussion:> > (a)What Parashara Rishi has stated in BPHS for the placement of Lagna lord in houses is remarkably profound & gives very

accurate results.> > The most important point to consider is the strength of the Lagnesh (particularly in the Navamsha Kundli which can remarkably alter the results for better or worse),the conjunction of Lagnesh with other grahas & the Drishti it recieves.> > A strong Lagnesh if placed in good bhavas & recieving aspects solely > from benefics is a blessing in the horosocope & all the yogas found in the > chart will have a strong foundation on which to function.> > Hoping to hear from the other members on this issue> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> Hare ramakrishna> dear swami nathan ji,> U got the prediction from me and lagna lord venus in another own house 6th house and i expalain u the results and its remedies and further actions to be followed ,>

But this is greedy attitude and it wont take u any where and pls steer away from this >This group is purely based on discussions and learning .so If u wanted to learn u r welcome .> Pls dont interfere with any discussions> U can always post ur experiences in further discussions when ever relevent topic come and not get another reading in the pretext of learning .As we here got enoughbad experices on all other reading sites and now atleast pls help us maintain purety of this forum .> all the best to u> sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear swaminathan ji,> > The question is "out of scope" considering the current discussion. > > (view clarified in previous mails to manju ji in the

current thread) > > I don't want the thread to deviate from the subject under discussion.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , swaminathan > > kalyanaraman kaldkpl@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr. Sreenadh,> > > For Rishaba Lagna, if the Venus is placed in 6th at Libra during > > his dasa will give Venus do good or bad.> > > > > > > > > manjuch2001 manjuch2001@ wrote:> > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > The primary derivations

for Lagna lord in various houses as per > > > BPHS> > > > is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same.> > > > =================================> > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives> > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits,> > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives,> > > > intelligent.> > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good > > > longevity,> > > > many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.> > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first > > >

born> > > > (child), admired by government and authorities.> > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from > > > enemies,> > > > bad health.> > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will > > > die> > > > early (or married life will not go long), he will become > > > uninterested in> > > > worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his native land > > and> > > > wander/visit many places, It is possible that he won't be much> > > > wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would be a very > > > wealthy> > > > person like a king.> > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by > > > diseases,> > > > interested in others wives, will be

interested in all kinds of > > > games> > > > such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much angry.> > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master > > of> > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children.> > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native > > > will> > > > have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much > > > popular.> > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity > > > (popularity> > > > due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many wives.> > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry > > > (especially> > > > if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic aspects > >

12th)> > > > =================================> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > , manju chawla> > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping > > > us God> > > > bless you> > > > > regards> > > > > manju> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject "What should be> > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various

houses?" - let the > > > discussion go> > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual results.> > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence with > > > perfection,Excellence-I> > > > can reach for,Perfection is God's business---Michael J.Fox> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks > > on> > > > TV.> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Yes, you are homing in on the "pure" point. That's what this particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about. That's the way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the secrets out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of the text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of interpretation in question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very high. What say? So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics? Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures of (the galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all? RK Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL going to H-7is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a malefic' ismentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot discount it as faras the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is concerned.For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss indetail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with yourlogic and argument. As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the pointI mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even though thesame

is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly stated,the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta' (goodchild, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open till wecross verify the results with the derivations given in other texts andcome to a logical conclusion/derivation.We always have 2 options open to cross check the results predictedby BPHS in this context-1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in othertexts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed.But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -==>> What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?<==To state in other words, the base rule is -"LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and otherfactors (such as LL being

malefic/benefic, LL being aspected bymalefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted"We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY WHEN thespecial condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not tocontaminate the result indicated by the sloka.If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement completely.Love,Sreenadh , rk dash<arkaydash wrote:>> Sreenadh,> I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a naturalmalefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1 going to5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife etc). Ifwe must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying "where L-5 (orL-7) is a malefic or is afflicted". > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1

goesH-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?> > Let's carry on,> RK> > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear RK ji,> Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.> > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision> Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities such as > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach etc. > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for the logical > basis of the above derivation.> > When in 2nd: Many wives> That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second marriage. > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the native is > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd house > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc.

Thus it > turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives). It > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord in 2nd > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad result, but > as a good result; indicating that the native will have every kind of > luxury including women.> > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives> Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually is of > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is why the > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds of > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due to bhavat > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.> > When in 4th: Lust> No idea as of now.> > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both 5th > house and

lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why the > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st child > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double impact' i > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify) gain of > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born for it > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)> > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is > logically ok.> > When in 12th: Good health> No idea as of now.> Love,> Sreenadh > > , rk dash > <arkaydash@> wrote:> >> > Good start. I

agree. First theoretical consideration then we test > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go about > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self-> evident. Here they are:> > > > When in 1st> > Uncertain in decision> > > > When in 2nd> > Many wives> > > > When in 3rd> > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives> > > > When in 4th> > Lust> > > > When in 5th> > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > When in 7th> > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > > When in 12th> > Good health> > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor > (the linkage of the the self to the department

represented by the > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of tenancy > as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment? > > > > RK> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear All,> > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per > BPHS is given

below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same. > > =================================> > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives> > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits, > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives, > intelligent.> > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.> > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first > born (child), admired by government and authorities. > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from > enemies, bad health.> > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will > die early (or married life will not go

long), he will become > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would > be a very wealthy person like a king.> > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in all kinds > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much > angry.> > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master of > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children. > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native > will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much > popular.> > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity),

good qualities, many wives.> > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic > aspects 12th) > > =================================> > > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , manju chawla > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > >> > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping us > God bless you> > > regards> > > manju> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject "What should be> > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses?" - let the

discussion > go> > > first and then comparison of it with actual results.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence with > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is God's business---> Michael J.Fox> > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > TV.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to > know how.> >> > > > > > >

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Dear Chitra ji,

Meenaraja Hora is another name of Vridhya Yavana Jataka; Meenaraja

is the auther of this this text. The same is available in English. I

don't know about an English version of Hora Pradeepam, may be it is, I

don't know.

But as far as the discussion going on here in this group regarding

this subject is concerned, it is NOT necessary that you should have

these texts. I would be discussing it in detail with appropriate

quotes and would be uploading it here in this forum. So you will be

getting all the relevant references from here itself in due course.

 

Note: The discussion is just a trap Just to make the members

interested in the subject and to come out with various logical

interpretations, and later to make them realize that the sages

discussed the same in better detail and with better clarity.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Chitra "

<chitraw wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

> Where do you get these two books.( Meenaraja hora and Hora

Pradeepam) Are

> they in English?

> Thanks and best wishes

> Chitra Wijewickrama

>

> .

>

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Dear RK ji,

==>

Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on board for

comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora Pradeepam.

Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of the text.

We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of interpretation in

question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very high. What

say?

> So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

<==

This question is really difficult to answer. Apart from Parasara

(for whom various versions of the slokas are available for the same in

almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. The statements

from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost importance in Hora Ratna

as well (at times they slightly variant versions of the slokas

available in current printed verion of Meena raja hora). Hora

pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther of Hora Sara

(i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th century. Thus -

Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported by Hora Ratna.

Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported by Hora Sara.

 

Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the same at times

(though not extensively), but I am yet to make an elaborate search for

the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata,

Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary slokas related to

the same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas relevant to

the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas (Whereever I find

such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for sure none of the

other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora Pradeepam) discusses

this subject extensively in detail as per my current knowledge and

understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are concerned it

is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject extensively are

lost, even though they might have done the same (since they use 7-fold

method).

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

, rk dash

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's what this

particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about. That's the

way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the secrets

out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take

on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora

Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of

the text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

interpretation in question in a treatise that may not otherwise be

rated very high. What say?

> So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

>

> Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures of (the

galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all?

>

> RK

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear RK ji,

> You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL going to H-7

> is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a malefic' is

> mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot discount it as far

> as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is concerned.

> For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss in

> detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with your

> logic and argument.

> As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the point

> I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even though the

> same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly stated,

> the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta' (good

> child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open till we

> cross verify the results with the derivations given in other texts and

> come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> We always have 2 options open to cross check the results predicted

> by BPHS in this context-

> 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in other

> texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed.

> But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> ==>

> > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes

> > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?

> <==

> To state in other words, the base rule is -

> " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and other

> factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being aspected by

> malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY WHEN the

> special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not to

> contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement completely.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , rk dash

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> > Sreenadh,

> > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural

> malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1 going to

> 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife etc). If

> we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying " where L-5 (or

> L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> >

> > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes

> H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?

> >

> > Let's carry on,

> > RK

> >

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear RK ji,

> > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us

> > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.

> > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities such as

> > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach etc.

> > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for the logical

> > basis of the above derivation.

> > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second marriage.

> > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the native is

> > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd house

> > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc. Thus it

> > turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives). It

> > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord in 2nd

> > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad result, but

> > as a good result; indicating that the native will have every kind of

> > luxury including women.

> > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually is of

> > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is why the

> > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds of

> > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due to bhavat

> > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.

> > > When in 4th: Lust

> > No idea as of now.

> > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both 5th

> > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why the

> > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st child

> > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the

> > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double impact' i

> > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify) gain of

> > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born for it

> > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)

> > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is

> > logically ok.

> > > When in 12th: Good health

> > No idea as of now.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , rk dash

> > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then we test

> > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the

> > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go about

> > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self-

> > evident. Here they are:

> > >

> > > When in 1st

> > > Uncertain in decision

> > >

> > > When in 2nd

> > > Many wives

> > >

> > > When in 3rd

> > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > >

> > > When in 4th

> > > Lust

> > >

> > > When in 5th

> > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > >

> > > When in 7th

> > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > >

> > > When in 12th

> > > Good health

> > >

> > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor

> > (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by the

> > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord

> > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss

> > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good

> > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of tenancy

> > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > >

> > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any

> > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the

> > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring

> > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from

> > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment?

> > >

> > > RK

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per

> > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same.

> > > =================================

> > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives

> > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits,

> > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives,

> > intelligent.

> > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good

> > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.

> > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first

> > born (child), admired by government and authorities.

> > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from

> > enemies, bad health.

> > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will

> > die early (or married life will not go long), he will become

> > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his

> > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he

> > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would

> > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by

> > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in all kinds

> > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much

> > angry.

> > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master of

> > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children.

> > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native

> > will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much

> > popular.

> > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity

> > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many wives.

> > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry

> > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic

> > aspects 12th)

> > > =================================

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , manju chawla

> > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping us

> > God bless you

> > > > regards

> > > > manju

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject " What should be

> > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " - let the discussion

> > go

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OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of the 7-fold method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must be kept on. I know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the best (best as the compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be) available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different houses) but there is no source mention for the portion nor is there the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions in the compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very insightful stuff. It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see. Best, RK Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,==>Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on board forcomparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora Pradeepam.Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of the text.We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of interpretation inquestion in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very high. Whatsay? > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics? <==This question is really difficult to answer. Apart from Parasara(for whom various versions of the slokas are available for the same inalmost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. The statementsfrom Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost importance in Hora Ratnaas well (at times they slightly variant versions of the slokasavailable in current

printed verion of Meena raja hora). Horapradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther of Hora Sara (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th century. Thus -Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported by Hora Ratna.Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported by Hora Sara.Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the same at times(though not extensively), but I am yet to make an elaborate search forthe same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata,Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary slokas related tothe same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas relevant tothe may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas (Whereever I findsuch a reference I will quote them for sure). But for sure none of theother texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora Pradeepam) discussesthis subject extensively in detail as per my current knowledge

andunderstanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are concerned itis possible that the slokas that discuss this subject extensively arelost, even though they might have done the same (since they use 7-foldmethod).Love,Sreenadh , rk dash<arkaydash wrote:>> Yes, you are homing in on the "pure" point. That's what thisparticular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about. That's theway (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the secretsout of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we takeon board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and HoraPradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation ofthe text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect ofinterpretation in question in a treatise that

may not otherwise berated very high. What say? > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics? > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures of (thegalaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all? > > RK> > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear RK ji,> You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL going to H-7> is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a malefic' is> mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot discount it as far> as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is concerned.> For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss in> detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with your> logic and argument. > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the point> I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results)

even though the> same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly stated,> the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta' (good> child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open till we> cross verify the results with the derivations given in other texts and> come to a logical conclusion/derivation.> We always have 2 options open to cross check the results predicted> by BPHS in this context-> 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in other> texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)> 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed.> But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -> ==>> > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?> <==> To state in other words, the base rule is

-> "LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and other> factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being aspected by> malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted"> We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY WHEN the> special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not to> contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.> If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement completely.> Love,> Sreenadh> > , rk dash> <arkaydash@> wrote:> >> > Sreenadh,> > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural> malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1 going to> 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife etc). If> we

must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying "where L-5 (or> L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted". > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes> H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?> > > > Let's carry on,> > RK> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear RK ji,> > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us > > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.> > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision> > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities such as > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach etc. > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for the logical > > basis of the above derivation.> > > When in 2nd: Many wives> > That is

just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second marriage. > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the native is > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd house > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc. Thus it > > turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives). It > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord in 2nd > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad result, but > > as a good result; indicating that the native will have every kind of > > luxury including women.> > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives> > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually is of > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is why the > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds of > >

wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due to bhavat > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.> > > When in 4th: Lust> > No idea as of now.> > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both 5th > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why the > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st child > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double impact' i > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify) gain of > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born for it > > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)> > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife > >

This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is > > logically ok.> > > When in 12th: Good health> > No idea as of now.> > Love,> > Sreenadh > > > > , rk dash > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > >> > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then we test > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go about > > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self-> > evident. Here they are:> > > > > > When in 1st> > > Uncertain in decision> > > > > > When in 2nd> > > Many wives> > > >

> > When in 3rd> > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives> > > > > > When in 4th> > > Lust> > > > > > When in 5th> > > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > When in 7th> > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > > > > When in 12th> > > Good health> > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor > > (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by the > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss > > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of tenancy > > as far as 1st lord is

concerned. > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment? > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the same. > > > =================================> > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives> > > 2nd house:

knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits, > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives, > > intelligent.> > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.> > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first > > born (child), admired by government and authorities. > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from > > enemies, bad health.> > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will > > die early (or married life will not go long), he will become > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he > > won't be much

wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he would > > be a very wealthy person like a king.> > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in all kinds > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much > > angry.> > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu, master of > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children. > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native > > will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much > > popular.> > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many wives.> > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry > > (especially if

not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic > > aspects 12th) > > > =================================> > > > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , manju chawla > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really helping us > > God bless you> > > > regards> > > > manju> > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject "What should be> > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses?" - let the discussion > >

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Dear RK ji,

==>

I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the best (best as

the compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)

available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different houses)

<==

Can you provide the results derived/provided by that book for " lagna

lord going to various houses " ? That could be much beneficial to our

current study - we will try to find the logic used behind those

derivations, and accept or reject each of those derivations; as usual

based on conditions such as -

* logical or not

* Real life experience supports the same or not

It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the Sanskrit original

is available or not - as long as the derivations are logical, and

reflect the actual experience.

> the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

That is very good point - which itself I think indicate that it could

be valuable material.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, rk dash

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of the 7-fold

method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must be kept on. I

know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the best (best as the

compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)

available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different

houses) but there is no source mention for the portion nor is there

the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions in the

compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

>

> Best,

> RK

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear RK ji,

> ==>

> Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on board for

> comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora Pradeepam.

> Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of the text.

> We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of interpretation in

> question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very high. What

> say?

> > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

> <==

> This question is really difficult to answer. Apart from Parasara

> (for whom various versions of the slokas are available for the same in

> almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. The statements

> from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost importance in Hora Ratna

> as well (at times they slightly variant versions of the slokas

> available in current printed verion of Meena raja hora). Hora

> pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther of Hora Sara

> (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th century. Thus -

> Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported by Hora Ratna.

> Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported by Hora Sara.

>

> Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the same at times

> (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an elaborate search for

> the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata,

> Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary slokas related to

> the same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas relevant to

> the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas (Whereever I find

> such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for sure none of the

> other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora Pradeepam) discusses

> this subject extensively in detail as per my current knowledge and

> understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are concerned it

> is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject extensively are

> lost, even though they might have done the same (since they use 7-fold

> method).

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , rk dash

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's what this

> particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about. That's the

> way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the secrets

> out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take

> on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora

> Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of

> the text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> interpretation in question in a treatise that may not otherwise be

> rated very high. What say?

> > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

> >

> > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures of (the

> galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all?

> >

> > RK

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear RK ji,

> > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL going to H-7

> > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a malefic' is

> > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot discount it as far

> > as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is concerned.

> > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss in

> > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with your

> > logic and argument.

> > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the point

> > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even though the

> > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly stated,

> > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta' (good

> > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open till we

> > cross verify the results with the derivations given in other texts and

> > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > We always have 2 options open to cross check the results predicted

> > by BPHS in this context-

> > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in other

> > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed.

> > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > ==>

> > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes

> > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?

> > <==

> > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and other

> > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being aspected by

> > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY WHEN the

> > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not to

> > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement completely.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , rk dash

> > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sreenadh,

> > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural

> > malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1 going to

> > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife etc). If

> > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying " where L-5 (or

> > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > >

> > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes

> > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?

> > >

> > > Let's carry on,

> > > RK

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > Dear RK ji,

> > > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us

> > > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.

> > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities such as

> > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach etc.

> > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for the

logical

> > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second marriage.

> > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the native is

> > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd house

> > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc. Thus it

> > > turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives). It

> > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord in 2nd

> > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad

result, but

> > > as a good result; indicating that the native will have every

kind of

> > > luxury including women.

> > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually is of

> > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is why the

> > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds of

> > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due to

bhavat

> > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.

> > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > No idea as of now.

> > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both 5th

> > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why the

> > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st child

> > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the

> > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double

impact' i

> > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify) gain of

> > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born for it

> > > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)

> > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is

> > > logically ok.

> > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > No idea as of now.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , rk dash

> > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then we test

> > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the

> > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go

about

> > > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self-

> > > evident. Here they are:

> > > >

> > > > When in 1st

> > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > >

> > > > When in 2nd

> > > > Many wives

> > > >

> > > > When in 3rd

> > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > >

> > > > When in 4th

> > > > Lust

> > > >

> > > > When in 5th

> > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > >

> > > > When in 7th

> > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > >

> > > > When in 12th

> > > > Good health

> > > >

> > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor

> > > (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by the

> > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord

> > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss

> > > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good

> > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of

tenancy

> > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > >

> > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any

> > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the

> > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring

> > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from

> > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment?

> > > >

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per

> > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the

same.

> > > > =================================

> > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives

> > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits,

> > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives,

> > > intelligent.

> > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good

> > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.

> > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first

> > > born (child), admired by government and authorities.

> > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from

> > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will

> > > die early (or married life will not go long), he will become

> > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his

> > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he

> > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he

would

> > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by

> > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in all

kinds

> > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much

> > > angry.

> > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu,

master of

> > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children.

> > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native

> > > will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much

> > > popular.

> > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity

> > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, many

wives.

> > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry

> > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic

> > > aspects 12th)

> > > > =================================

> > > >

> > > > Love,

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> > > >

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I will in the next post, soon. RKSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,==>I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the best (best asthe compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different houses)<==Can you provide the results derived/provided by that book for "lagnalord going to various houses"? That could be much beneficial to ourcurrent study - we will try to find the logic used behind

thosederivations, and accept or reject each of those derivations; as usualbased on conditions such as -* logical or not* Real life experience supports the same or notIt doesn't matter whether the source mention or the Sanskrit originalis available or not - as long as the derivations are logical, andreflect the actual experience. > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff. That is very good point - which itself I think indicate that it couldbe valuable material.Love,Sreenadh , rk dash<arkaydash wrote:>> OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of the 7-foldmethod. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must be kept on. Iknow of a compedium in vernacular which collates the best (best as thecompiler thought any particular aspect from a

classic to be)available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to differenthouses) but there is no source mention for the portion nor is therethe Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions in thecompendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.> > Best,> RK > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear RK ji,> ==>> Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on board for> comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora Pradeepam.> Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of the text.> We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of interpretation in> question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very high. What> say? > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics? > <==> This question is

really difficult to answer. Apart from Parasara> (for whom various versions of the slokas are available for the same in> almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. The statements> from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost importance in Hora Ratna> as well (at times they slightly variant versions of the slokas> available in current printed verion of Meena raja hora). Hora> pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther of Hora Sara > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th century. Thus -> Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported by Hora Ratna.> Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported by Hora Sara.> > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the same at times> (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an elaborate search for> the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata,>

Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary slokas related to> the same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas relevant to> the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas (Whereever I find> such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for sure none of the> other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora Pradeepam) discusses> this subject extensively in detail as per my current knowledge and> understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are concerned it> is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject extensively are> lost, even though they might have done the same (since they use 7-fold> method).> Love,> Sreenadh> > , rk dash> <arkaydash@> wrote:> >> > Yes, you are homing in on the "pure"

point. That's what this> particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about. That's the> way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the secrets> out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take> on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora> Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of> the text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of> interpretation in question in a treatise that may not otherwise be> rated very high. What say? > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics? > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures of (the> galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all? > > > > RK> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear RK ji,> > You are right - to the point. I

agree. But as far as LL going to H-7> > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a malefic' is> > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot discount it as far> > as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is concerned.> > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss in> > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with your> > logic and argument. > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the point> > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even though the> > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly stated,> > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta' (good> > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open till we> > cross verify the results with the derivations given in other texts and> > come to a

logical conclusion/derivation.> > We always have 2 options open to cross check the results predicted> > by BPHS in this context-> > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in other> > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)> > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed.> > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -> > ==>> > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?> > <==> > To state in other words, the base rule is -> > "LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and other> > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being aspected by> > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted"> > We will even touch this base rule with

corollaries, ONLY WHEN the> > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not to> > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.> > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement completely.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , rk dash> > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > >> > > Sreenadh,> > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural> > malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1 going to> > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife etc). If> > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying "where L-5 (or> > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted". > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage

of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes> > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?> > > > > > Let's carry on,> > > RK> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > Dear RK ji,> > > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.> > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision> > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities such as > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach etc. > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for thelogical > > > basis of the above derivation.> > > > When in 2nd: Many wives> > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second marriage. > > > When the

lagna lord comes in contact with any house the native is > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd house > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc. Thus it > > > turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives). It > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord in 2nd > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a badresult, but > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will have everykind of > > > luxury including women.> > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives> > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually is of > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is why the > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds of > > > wealth - i think

this is why you doubt that it could be due tobhavat > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.> > > > When in 4th: Lust> > > No idea as of now.> > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both 5th > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why the > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st child > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'doubleimpact' i > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify) gain of > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born for it > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)> > > > When in 7th:

Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is > > > logically ok.> > > > When in 12th: Good health> > > No idea as of now.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , rk dash > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then we test > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll goabout > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self-> > > evident. Here they are:> > > > > > > > When in

1st> > > > Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > When in 2nd> > > > Many wives> > > > > > > > When in 3rd> > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives> > > > > > > > When in 4th> > > > Lust> > > > > > > > When in 5th> > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > > > When in 7th> > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > > > > > > When in 12th> > > > Good health> > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by the > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord > > >

brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss > > > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house oftenancy > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment? > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > The primary derivations for

Lagna lord in various houses as per > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on thesame. > > > > =================================> > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives> > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits, > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives, > > > intelligent.> > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.> > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first > > > born (child), admired by government and authorities. > > > > 6th house: (especially if

aspected by malefics) trouble from > > > enemies, bad health.> > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife will > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he will become > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that hewould > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.> > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in allkinds > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much > > > angry.> > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu,master of > > > words and oratory, will

have good wealth wife and children. > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native > > > will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much > > > popular.> > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, manywives.> > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic > > > aspects 12th) > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > , manju chawla > > >

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Shreenadh, Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the compedium. There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time to make out what is meant. In 1st house Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land 2nd hse Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality, life of plenty, corpulent 3rd hse Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong 4th hse King’s favourite, lives life to the full (could also mean 'very long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns by right means, devoted to father, voracious 5th hse Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, known his for good qualities 6th hse Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues enemies, on the side of good deeds 7th hse Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself fast during coitus, good-looking 8th hse Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-lived, harsh in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a benefic 9th hse Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced (without extremes),

cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant 10th hse Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent towards guru and mother, king, famous 11th hse Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself

fast during coitus, powerful 12th hse Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free loader Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But we have to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You agree? RKSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,==>I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the best (best asthe compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different houses)<==Can you provide the results derived/provided by that book for "lagnalord going to various houses"? That could be much beneficial to ourcurrent study - we will try to find the logic used behind thosederivations, and accept or reject each of those derivations; as usualbased on conditions such as -* logical or not* Real life experience supports the same or

notIt doesn't matter whether the source mention or the Sanskrit originalis available or not - as long as the derivations are logical, andreflect the actual experience. > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff. That is very good point - which itself I think indicate that it couldbe valuable material.Love,Sreenadh , rk dash<arkaydash wrote:>> OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of the 7-foldmethod. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must be kept on. Iknow of a compedium in vernacular which collates the best (best as thecompiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to differenthouses) but there is no source mention for the portion nor is therethe Sanskrit original

for it unlike most other portions in thecompendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.> > Best,> RK > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear RK ji,> ==>> Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on board for> comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora Pradeepam.> Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of the text.> We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of interpretation in> question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very high. What> say? > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics? > <==> This question is really difficult to answer. Apart from Parasara> (for whom various versions of the slokas are available for the same in> almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora

discusses it. The statements> from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost importance in Hora Ratna> as well (at times they slightly variant versions of the slokas> available in current printed verion of Meena raja hora). Hora> pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther of Hora Sara > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th century. Thus -> Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported by Hora Ratna.> Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported by Hora Sara.> > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the same at times> (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an elaborate search for> the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata,> Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary slokas related to> the same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas relevant to> the may find a place in many

ancient Rishi horas (Whereever I find> such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for sure none of the> other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora Pradeepam) discusses> this subject extensively in detail as per my current knowledge and> understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are concerned it> is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject extensively are> lost, even though they might have done the same (since they use 7-fold> method).> Love,> Sreenadh> > , rk dash> <arkaydash@> wrote:> >> > Yes, you are homing in on the "pure" point. That's what this> particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about. That's the> way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the secrets>

out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take> on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora> Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of> the text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of> interpretation in question in a treatise that may not otherwise be> rated very high. What say? > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics? > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures of (the> galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all? > > > > RK> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear RK ji,> > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL going to H-7> > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a malefic' is> > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot

discount it as far> > as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is concerned.> > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss in> > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with your> > logic and argument. > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the point> > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even though the> > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly stated,> > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta' (good> > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open till we> > cross verify the results with the derivations given in other texts and> > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.> > We always have 2 options open to cross check the results predicted> > by BPHS in this context-> > 1) Cross verify the

results with the predictions given in other> > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)> > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed.> > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -> > ==>> > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?> > <==> > To state in other words, the base rule is -> > "LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and other> > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being aspected by> > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted"> > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY WHEN the> > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not to> > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.> > If this corollary is

not there, I agree to your statement completely.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , rk dash> > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > >> > > Sreenadh,> > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural> > malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1 going to> > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife etc). If> > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying "where L-5 (or> > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted". > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1 goes> > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted. Clear?> > > > > > Let's carry on,> > > RK> >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > Dear RK ji,> > > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.> > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision> > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities such as > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach etc. > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for thelogical > > > basis of the above derivation.> > > > When in 2nd: Many wives> > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second marriage. > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the native is > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd house > > > makes the native beautiful,

talkative, liked by women etc. Thus it > > > turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives). It > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord in 2nd > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a badresult, but > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will have everykind of > > > luxury including women.> > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives> > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually is of > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is why the > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds of > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due tobhavat > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.> > > > When in 4th: Lust> > >

No idea as of now.> > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both 5th > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why the > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st child > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'doubleimpact' i > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify) gain of > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born for it > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)> > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is > > > logically ok.> > > > When in 12th:

Good health> > > No idea as of now.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , rk dash > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then we test > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of the > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll goabout > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not self-> > > evident. Here they are:> > > > > > > > When in 1st> > > > Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > When in 2nd> > > > Many wives> > > > > > > > When in

3rd> > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives> > > > > > > > When in 4th> > > > Lust> > > > > > > > When in 5th> > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > > > When in 7th> > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > > > > > > When in 12th> > > > Good health> > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first factor > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by the > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that lagna lord > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th. Why loss > > > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning good > > > progeny. I'll cite one

such at a later stage for all house oftenancy > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says that any > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the house the > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th ensuring > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th from > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment? > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as per > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on thesame. > > > >

=================================> > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2 wives> > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good habits, > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2 wives, > > > intelligent.> > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good qualities.> > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of first > > > born (child), admired by government and authorities. > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble from > > > enemies, bad health.> > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic)

his wife will > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he will become > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached towards his > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that he > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that hewould > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.> > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in allkinds > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very much > > > angry.> > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu,master of > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children. > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the native > > > will

have a good job), he would be a government servant, very much > > > popular.> > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities, manywives.> > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no benefic > > > aspects 12th) > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > , manju chawla > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > > > we would learn this

subject in this way.You are reallyhelping us > > > God bless you> > > > > regards> > > > > manju> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject "What should be> > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses?" - let thediscussion > > > go> > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual results.> > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence with > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is God'sbusiness--->

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Dear RK ji,

Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if solely

based on " Houses " alone.

==>

Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But we have to

see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You agree?

<==

Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as Planet/lords etc

comes in to play in the derivations you provided.

*Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and so the same

is discarded.

* Planets are not at all considered in house based derivation - and

so the same is discarded.

 

I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses, and so

should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed with

explaining the logic behid each of those derivations...

Love and Hugs,

Sreenadh

 

, rk dash

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Shreenadh,

> Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the compedium.

There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time to make out

what is meant.

>

> In 1st house

> Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land

>

> 2nd hse

> Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality, life of

plenty, corpulent

>

> 3rd hse

> Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong

>

> 4th hse

> King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also mean 'very

long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns by right

means, devoted to father, voracious

>

> 5th hse

> Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, known his for

good qualities

>

> 6th hse

> Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues enemies, on

the side of good deeds

>

> 7th hse

> Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself fast

during coitus, good-looking

>

> 8th hse

> Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-lived, harsh

in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a benefic

>

> 9th hse

> Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced (without

extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant

>

> 10th hse

> Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent towards

guru and mother, king, famous

>

> 11th hse

> Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during coitus,

powerful

>

> 12th hse

> Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free loader

>

>

> Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But we have

to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You agree?

>

> RK

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear RK ji,

> ==>

> I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the best (best

as

> the compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)

> available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different

houses)

> <==

> Can you provide the results derived/provided by that book for " lagna

> lord going to various houses " ? That could be much beneficial to our

> current study - we will try to find the logic used behind those

> derivations, and accept or reject each of those derivations; as

usual

> based on conditions such as -

> * logical or not

> * Real life experience supports the same or not

> It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the Sanskrit

original

> is available or not - as long as the derivations are logical, and

> reflect the actual experience.

> > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> That is very good point - which itself I think indicate that it

could

> be valuable material.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , rk dash

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of the 7-fold

> method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must be kept on.

I

> know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the best (best as

the

> compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)

> available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different

> houses) but there is no source mention for the portion nor is there

> the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions in the

> compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

> >

> > Best,

> > RK

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear RK ji,

> > ==>

> > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on board for

> > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora

Pradeepam.

> > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of the

text.

> > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of interpretation

in

> > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very high.

What

> > say?

> > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

> > <==

> > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart from

Parasara

> > (for whom various versions of the slokas are available for the

same in

> > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. The statements

> > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost importance in Hora

Ratna

> > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of the slokas

> > available in current printed verion of Meena raja hora). Hora

> > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther of Hora

Sara

> > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th century.

Thus -

> > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported by Hora

Ratna.

> > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported by Hora

Sara.

> >

> > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the same at times

> > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an elaborate

search for

> > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata,

> > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary slokas related

to

> > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas relevant

to

> > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas (Whereever I find

> > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for sure none

of the

> > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora Pradeepam)

discusses

> > this subject extensively in detail as per my current knowledge and

> > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are

concerned it

> > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject extensively

are

> > lost, even though they might have done the same (since they use 7-

fold

> > method).

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , rk dash

> > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's what this

> > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about. That's

the

> > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the

secrets

> > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we

take

> > on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and

Hora

> > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall

reputation of

> > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not otherwise be

> > rated very high. What say?

> > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

> > >

> > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures of (the

> > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all?

> > >

> > > RK

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > Dear RK ji,

> > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL going

to H-7

> > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a malefic'

is

> > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot discount it

as far

> > > as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is

concerned.

> > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss in

> > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with

your

> > > logic and argument.

> > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the

point

> > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even though

the

> > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly

stated,

> > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta'

(good

> > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open till

we

> > > cross verify the results with the derivations given in other

texts and

> > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the results

predicted

> > > by BPHS in this context-

> > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in other

> > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed.

> > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > > ==>

> > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1

goes

> > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted.

Clear?

> > > <==

> > > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and

other

> > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being aspected by

> > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY WHEN

the

> > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not to

> > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement

completely.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , rk dash

> > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural

> > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1

going to

> > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife

etc). If

> > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying " where L-

5 (or

> > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > > >

> > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1

goes

> > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted.

Clear?

> > > >

> > > > Let's carry on,

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us

> > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.

> > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities

such as

> > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach

etc.

> > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for the

> logical

> > > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second

marriage.

> > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the

native is

> > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd

house

> > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc.

Thus it

> > > > turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives).

It

> > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord

in 2nd

> > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad

> result, but

> > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will have every

> kind of

> > > > luxury including women.

> > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually

is of

> > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is

why the

> > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds

of

> > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due to

> bhavat

> > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.

> > > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both

5th

> > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why

the

> > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st

child

> > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the

> > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double

> impact' i

> > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify)

gain of

> > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born

for it

> > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)

> > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is

> > > > logically ok.

> > > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , rk dash

> > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then

we test

> > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of

the

> > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go

> about

> > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not

self-

> > > > evident. Here they are:

> > > > >

> > > > > When in 1st

> > > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > > >

> > > > > When in 2nd

> > > > > Many wives

> > > > >

> > > > > When in 3rd

> > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > > >

> > > > > When in 4th

> > > > > Lust

> > > > >

> > > > > When in 5th

> > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > >

> > > > > When in 7th

> > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > >

> > > > > When in 12th

> > > > > Good health

> > > > >

> > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first

factor

> > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by

the

> > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that

lagna lord

> > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th.

Why loss

> > > > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning

good

> > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of

> tenancy

> > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > > >

> > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says

that any

> > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the

house the

> > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th

ensuring

> > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th

from

> > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment?

> > > > >

> > > > > RK

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as

per

> > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the

> same.

> > > > > =================================

> > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2

wives

> > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good

habits,

> > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2

wives,

> > > > intelligent.

> > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good

> > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good

qualities.

> > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of

first

> > > > born (child), admired by government and authorities.

> > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble

from

> > > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife

will

> > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he will become

> > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached

towards his

> > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that

he

> > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he

> would

> > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by

> > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in

all

> kinds

> > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very

much

> > > > angry.

> > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu,

> master of

> > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children.

> > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the

native

> > > > will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very

much

> > > > popular.

> > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity

> > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities,

many

> wives.

> > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry

> > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no

benefic

> > > > aspects 12th)

> > > > > =================================

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , manju

chawla

> > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really

> helping us

> > > > God bless you

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > manju

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject " What should

be

> > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " - let the

> discussion

> > > > go

> > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual results.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

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