What should be predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? / Rules and Route

September 16, 2007

Dear RK ji,

==>

> I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your logic

searches overshoot themselves. ........Now, applying your well-plucked

Rule Four, which says .......

<==

It is good to hear that each of those rules fits in supports each

other to reach the goal. It is said that truth is one and paths

are many..

Love and Hugs,

Sreenadh

, rk dash

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Sreenadh,

>

> Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj

Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF file.

>

> What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course pour in. But we

have to

> see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

> particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " is this. When

we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as yet), we

have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience emanating

from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala of a house

lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in slokas. We

all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a chart. The

task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud thinking

on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.

>

> I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your logic

searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of wealth

with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd, ie

upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a rationale. The

reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th hse holds

-- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying your well-plucked

Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the goodness of) the house

it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.

>

> I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.

>

> Best,

> RK

>

> PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained topics' in

a more organised fashion...

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear RK ji,

> Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if solely

> based on " Houses " alone.

> ==>

> Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But we have to

> see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

> particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You agree?

> <==

> Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as Planet/lords etc

> comes in to play in the derivations you provided.

> *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and so the same

> is discarded.

> * Planets are not at all considered in house based derivation - and

> so the same is discarded.

>

> I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses, and so

> should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed with

> explaining the logic behid each of those derivations...

> Love and Hugs,

> Sreenadh

>

> , rk dash

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> > Shreenadh,

> > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the compedium.

> There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time to make out

> what is meant.

> >

> > In 1st house

> > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land

> >

> > 2nd hse

> > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality, life of

> plenty, corpulent

> >

> > 3rd hse

> > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong

> >

> > 4th hse

> > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also mean 'very

> long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns by right

> means, devoted to father, voracious

> >

> > 5th hse

> > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, known his for

> good qualities

> >

> > 6th hse

> > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues enemies, on

> the side of good deeds

> >

> > 7th hse

> > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself fast

> during coitus, good-looking

> >

> > 8th hse

> > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-lived, harsh

> in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a benefic

> >

> > 9th hse

> > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced (without

> extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant

> >

> > 10th hse

> > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent towards

> guru and mother, king, famous

> >

> > 11th hse

> > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during coitus,

> powerful

> >

> > 12th hse

> > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free loader

> >

> > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But we have

> to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

> particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You agree?

> >

> > RK

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear RK ji,

> > ==>

> > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the best (best

> as

> > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)

> > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different

> houses)

> > <==

> > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that book for " lagna

> > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much beneficial to our

> > current study - we will try to find the logic used behind those

> > derivations, and accept or reject each of those derivations; as

> usual

> > based on conditions such as -

> > * logical or not

> > * Real life experience supports the same or not

> > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the Sanskrit

> original

> > is available or not - as long as the derivations are logical, and

> > reflect the actual experience.

> > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate that it

> could

> > be valuable material.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , rk dash

> > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > >

> > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of the 7-fold

> > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must be kept on.

> I

> > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the best (best as

> the

> > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)

> > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different

> > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion nor is there

> > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions in the

> > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > RK

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > Dear RK ji,

> > > ==>

> > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on board for

> > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora

> Pradeepam.

> > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of the

> text.

> > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of interpretation

> in

> > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very high.

> What

> > > say?

> > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

> > > <==

> > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart from

> Parasara

> > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are available for the

> same in

> > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. The statements

> > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost importance in Hora

> Ratna

> > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of the slokas

> > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja hora). Hora

> > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther of Hora

> Sara

> > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th century.

> Thus -

> > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported by Hora

> Ratna.

> > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported by Hora

> Sara.

> > >

> > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the same at times

> > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an elaborate

> search for

> > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata,

> > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary slokas related

> to

> > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas relevant

> to

> > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas (Whereever I find

> > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for sure none

> of the

> > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora Pradeepam)

> discusses

> > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current knowledge and

> > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are

> concerned it

> > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject extensively

> are

> > > lost, even though they might have done the same (since they use 7-

> fold

> > > method).

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , rk dash

> > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's what this

> > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about. That's

> the

> > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the

> secrets

> > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we

> take

> > > on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and

> Hora

> > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall

> reputation of

> > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not otherwise be

> > > rated very high. What say?

> > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

> > > >

> > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures of (the

> > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all?

> > > >

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL going

> to H-7

> > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a malefic'

> is

> > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot discount it

> as far

> > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is

> concerned.

> > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss in

> > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with

> your

> > > > logic and argument.

> > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the

> point

> > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even though

> the

> > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly

> stated,

> > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta'

> (good

> > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open till

> we

> > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given in other

> texts and

> > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the results

> predicted

> > > > by BPHS in this context-

> > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in other

> > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed.

> > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > > > ==>

> > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1

> goes

> > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted.

> Clear?

> > > > <==

> > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and

> other

> > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being aspected by

> > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY WHEN

> the

> > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not to

> > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement

> completely.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , rk dash

> > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural

> > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1

> going to

> > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife

> etc). If

> > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying " where L-

> 5 (or

> > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > > > >

> > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1

> goes

> > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted.

> Clear?

> > > > >

> > > > > Let's carry on,

> > > > > RK

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let us

> > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.

> > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities

> such as

> > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach

> etc.

> > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for the

> > logical

> > > > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second

> marriage.

> > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the

> native is

> > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd

> house

> > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc.

> Thus it

> > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many relations (wives).

> It

> > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna lord

> in 2nd

> > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad

> > result, but

> > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will have every

> > kind of

> > > > > luxury including women.

> > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house usually

> is of

> > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is

> why the

> > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many kinds

> of

> > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due to

> > bhavat

> > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.

> > > > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect both

> 5th

> > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is why

> the

> > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st

> child

> > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from the

> > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double

> > impact' i

> > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify)

> gain of

> > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be born

> for it

> > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)

> > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it is

> > > > > logically ok.

> > > > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then

> we test

> > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning of

> the

> > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll go

> > about

> > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not

> self-

> > > > > evident. Here they are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When in 1st

> > > > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When in 2nd

> > > > > > Many wives

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When in 3rd

> > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When in 4th

> > > > > > Lust

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When in 5th

> > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When in 7th

> > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When in 12th

> > > > > > Good health

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first

> factor

> > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department represented by

> the

> > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that

> lagna lord

> > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th.

> Why loss

> > > > > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta', meaning

> good

> > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house of

> > tenancy

> > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says

> that any

> > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the

> house the

> > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th

> ensuring

> > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body (12th

> from

> > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to detriment?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses as

> per

> > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on the

> > same.

> > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions, 2

> wives

> > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good

> habits,

> > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2

> wives,

> > > > > intelligent.

> > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with good

> > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good

> qualities.

> > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss of

> first

> > > > > born (child), admired by government and authorities.

> > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble

> from

> > > > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his wife

> will

> > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he will become

> > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached

> towards his

> > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible that

> he

> > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that he

> > would

> > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled by

> > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in

> all

> > kinds

> > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on, very

> much

> > > > > angry.

> > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu,

> > master of

> > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children.

> > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power (the

> native

> > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government servant, very

> much

> > > > > popular.

> > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good popularity

> > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities,

> many

> > wives.

> > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason, angry

> > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no

> benefic

> > > > > aspects 12th)

> > > > > > =================================

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , manju

> chawla

> > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really

> > helping us

> > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > manju

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject " What should

> be

> > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " - let the

> > discussion

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual results.

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with

> > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is God's

> > business---

> > > > > Michael J.Fox

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September 16, 2007

Dear Sairam ji,

It is not only applicable to Upachayas alone. One of the fundamental

principles of astrology is " Bhavat Bhavam " (which out which it is

almost impossible to derive detailed results). It is applicable

everywhere - and sunil ji elaborated it by demonstrating how to use

the same regarding the concept of Upachaya houses. Lalit ji,

should not this point.

Love,

Sreenadh

, sairam nat

<sairaman53 wrote:

>

> Sairaman

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> yr msg is wounderful and new thought for food IE upachacha for every

house if we go steps we canhave good idea

>

> if we consider our body as 12 houses we can see the armsthirde house

hip the 6th house knee is 10th house and the y can add the food which

highly projected from our body 12th house house of sleep and 3rd of

the 10th extension of new job etc without foot hand knee we there is

no use in life

>

> without eating we an befor few days but without sleep we cannot act

for days andthe foot the 12th house is major extension like hand in

our body without foot we cannot stnd in earth may be with cruches how

far fast he can go with cruches

>

> i have seen people with 3,6,10th11th house strong are very powerful

wealthy active improving even from the lower end in my office people

joined astypist (not even steno) as raisen tothe cader of chif finance

managers (just by a small dep.test) where we can see 10th 3rd 6th

occupied by planets more likely 3rd with a benefic 3rd house house

ofefforts in right direction with positive spirit for self improvement

may be occupied or aspected by benefics is reallygood

>

> more over it isthe 8th house of 8th ie giving lot of trouble so mans

efforts can ahieve things in spite of hurdles

>

> FOR ANY PARIHARA CONSIDER THE 3RD HOUSE OF THE CONCERNED HOUSE AND

PARIHARA RELATED TO THAT WILL GIVE GOOD RESULTS

>

> 3RD HOUSE IS 11TH HOUSE OF 5TH HOUSE PRE EXISTING POORVAPUNYA (YR

ELDER BROTHER BORN IN EARTH BEFORE YOU IE 11TH PRWE EXISTING)

>

> the most successful person is one habving powerful lagna connected

to 3,6,10,11

> 3 effiorts 6 winning opponets 10 status and 11 the achievements

extremet satisfaction

>

> Thanking y for giving member for goodfood for thought

>

> Sairaman

>

> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> Hare rama krishna,

> dear lalit ,

> The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both dustana

and upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free will u

can execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also known as

houses of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya gives

good results .

> Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.

> 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba where

one born or even this place is to see kula devata according to prashna

maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of

marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side world also

madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th from 2nd

house ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even our

elder siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and

loses and even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,

> Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a great say in

accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics of 2nd house.

> waiting comments from all scholars and members.

> regrds sunil nair.

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a good try to

> > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from some house,

> > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes n'th from

> > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.

> >

> > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to understand basic

> > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is an upachaya

> > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, Bhoga trikona

> > etc.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , rk dash

> > arkaydash@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj

> > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF file.

> > >

> > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course pour in. But

> > we have to

> > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

> > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " is this. When

> > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as yet), we

> > have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience emanating

> > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala of a house

> > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in slokas. We

> > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a chart. The

> > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud thinking

> > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.

> > >

> > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your logic

> > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of wealth

> > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd, ie

> > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a rationale. The

> > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th hse

> > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying your well-

> > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the goodness of)

> > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.

> > >

> > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > RK

> > >

> > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained topics'

> > in a more organised fashion...

> > >

> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > Dear RK ji,

> > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if solely

> > > based on " Houses " alone.

> > > ==>

> > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But we have to

> > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

> > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You agree?

> > > <==

> > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as Planet/lords etc

> > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.

> > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and so the

> > same

> > > is discarded.

> > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based derivation - and

> > > so the same is discarded.

> > >

> > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses, and so

> > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed with

> > > explaining the logic behid each of those derivations...

> > > Love and Hugs,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , rk dash

> > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shreenadh,

> > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the compedium.

> > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time to make

> > out

> > > what is meant.

> > > >

> > > > In 1st house

> > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land

> > > >

> > > > 2nd hse

> > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality, life of

> > > plenty, corpulent

> > > >

> > > > 3rd hse

> > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong

> > > >

> > > > 4th hse

> > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also mean 'very

> > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns by right

> > > means, devoted to father, voracious

> > > >

> > > > 5th hse

> > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, known his for

> > > good qualities

> > > >

> > > > 6th hse

> > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues enemies, on

> > > the side of good deeds

> > > >

> > > > 7th hse

> > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself fast

> > > during coitus, good-looking

> > > >

> > > > 8th hse

> > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-lived, harsh

> > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a benefic

> > > >

> > > > 9th hse

> > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced (without

> > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant

> > > >

> > > > 10th hse

> > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent towards

> > > guru and mother, king, famous

> > > >

> > > > 11th hse

> > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during coitus,

> > > powerful

> > > >

> > > > 12th hse

> > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free loader

> > > >

> > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But we have

> > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

> > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You agree?

> > > >

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the best

> > (best

> > > as

> > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)

> > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different

> > > houses)

> > > > <==

> > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that book

> > for " lagna

> > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much beneficial to

> > our

> > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used behind those

> > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those derivations; as

> > > usual

> > > > based on conditions such as -

> > > > * logical or not

> > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not

> > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the Sanskrit

> > > original

> > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are logical, and

> > > > reflect the actual experience.

> > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> > > > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate that it

> > > could

> > > > be valuable material.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , rk dash

> > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of the 7-fold

> > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must be kept

> > on.

> > > I

> > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the best (best

> > as

> > > the

> > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)

> > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to different

> > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion nor is

> > there

> > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions in the

> > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very insightful

> > stuff.

> > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best,

> > > > > RK

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on board

> > for

> > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora

> > > Pradeepam.

> > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of the

> > > text.

> > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > interpretation

> > > in

> > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very

> > high.

> > > What

> > > > > say?

> > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart from

> > > Parasara

> > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are available for the

> > > same in

> > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. The

> > statements

> > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost importance in

> > Hora

> > > Ratna

> > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of the slokas

> > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja hora). Hora

> > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther of Hora

> > > Sara

> > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th

> > century.

> > > Thus -

> > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported by Hora

> > > Ratna.

> > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported by Hora

> > > Sara.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the same at

> > times

> > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an elaborate

> > > search for

> > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata,

> > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary slokas

> > related

> > > to

> > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas

> > relevant

> > > to

> > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas (Whereever I

> > find

> > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for sure none

> > > of the

> > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora Pradeepam)

> > > discusses

> > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current knowledge

> > and

> > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are

> > > concerned it

> > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject

> > extensively

> > > are

> > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same (since they use

> > 7-

> > > fold

> > > > > method).

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's what this

> > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about. That's

> > > the

> > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the

> > > secrets

> > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we

> > > take

> > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora,

> > and

> > > Hora

> > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall

> > > reputation of

> > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not otherwise

> > be

> > > > > rated very high. What say?

> > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or classics?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures of

> > (the

> > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL going

> > > to H-7

> > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a

> > malefic'

> > > is

> > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot discount

> > it

> > > as far

> > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka is

> > > concerned.

> > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would discuss

> > in

> > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely with

> > > your

> > > > > > logic and argument.

> > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be the

> > > point

> > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even

> > though

> > > the

> > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have clearly

> > > stated,

> > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD BE ''susuta'

> > > (good

> > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open

> > till

> > > we

> > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given in other

> > > texts and

> > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the results

> > > predicted

> > > > > > by BPHS in this context-

> > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in

> > other

> > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results observed.

> > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1

> > > goes

> > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted.

> > > Clear?

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered, and

> > > other

> > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being aspected

> > by

> > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY WHEN

> > > the

> > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just not

> > to

> > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement

> > > completely.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a natural

> > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of L-1

> > > going to

> > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in life/wife

> > > etc). If

> > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, saying " where

> > L-

> > > 5 (or

> > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is: L-1

> > > goes

> > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly discounted.

> > > Clear?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let's carry on,

> > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned. Let

> > us

> > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.

> > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good qualities

> > > such as

> > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional approach

> > > etc.

> > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account for

> > the

> > > > logical

> > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second

> > > marriage.

> > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the

> > > native is

> > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in 2nd

> > > house

> > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women etc.

> > > Thus it

> > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many relations

> > (wives).

> > > It

> > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna

> > lord

> > > in 2nd

> > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a bad

> > > > result, but

> > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will have every

> > > > kind of

> > > > > > > luxury including women.

> > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house

> > usually

> > > is of

> > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results. That is

> > > why the

> > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many

> > kinds

> > > of

> > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be due

> > to

> > > > bhavat

> > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.

> > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect

> > both

> > > 5th

> > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That is

> > why

> > > the

> > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify 1st

> > > child

> > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from

> > the

> > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility of 'double

> > > > impact' i

> > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will verify)

> > > gain of

> > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be

> > born

> > > for it

> > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations consistent)

> > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore it

> > is

> > > > > > > logically ok.

> > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration then

> > > we test

> > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small beginning

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH. I'll

> > go

> > > > about

> > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are not

> > > self-

> > > > > > > evident. Here they are:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When in 1st

> > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When in 2nd

> > > > > > > > Many wives

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When in 3rd

> > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When in 4th

> > > > > > > > Lust

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When in 5th

> > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When in 7th

> > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When in 12th

> > > > > > > > Good health

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first

> > > factor

> > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department represented

> > by

> > > the

> > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that

> > > lagna lord

> > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in 5th.

> > > Why loss

> > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta',

> > meaning

> > > good

> > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all house

> > of

> > > > tenancy

> > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule says

> > > that any

> > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the

> > > house the

> > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in 12th

> > > ensuring

> > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body

> > (12th

> > > from

> > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to

> > detriment?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various houses

> > as

> > > per

> > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion on

> > the

> > > > same.

> > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in decisions,

> > 2

> > > wives

> > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness, good

> > > habits,

> > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth, 2

> > > wives,

> > > > > > > intelligent.

> > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with

> > good

> > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good

> > > qualities.

> > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children, loss

> > of

> > > first

> > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and authorities.

> > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) trouble

> > > from

> > > > > > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his

> > wife

> > > will

> > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he will

> > become

> > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached

> > > towards his

> > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible

> > that

> > > he

> > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also that

> > he

> > > > would

> > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, troubled

> > by

> > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be interested in

> > > all

> > > > kinds

> > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on,

> > very

> > > much

> > > > > > > angry.

> > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of Vishnu,

> > > > master of

> > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and children.

> > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power

> > (the

> > > native

> > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government servant,

> > very

> > > much

> > > > > > > popular.

> > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good

> > popularity

> > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good qualities,

> > > many

> > > > wives.

> > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason,

> > angry

> > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if no

> > > benefic

> > > > > > > aspects 12th)

> > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , manju

> > > chawla

> > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are really

> > > > helping us

> > > > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > manju

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject " What

> > should

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " - let the

> > > > discussion

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual results.

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with

> > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is God's

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September 16, 2007

Dear Lalit ji,

It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt in

detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various houses.pdf "

file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it here. I

will try to upload the document possibly by today evening itself.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Sunil Ji,

>

> I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this -

>

> Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being 12'th to

> 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i think is

> not true.

>

> Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from 11'th,

> 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.

>

> Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna,

> >

> > dear lalit ,

> >

> > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both dustana

> and

> > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free will u

> can

> > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also known as

> houses

> > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya gives good

> > results .

> >

> > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.

> >

> > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba where

> one

> > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to prashna

> > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of

> > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side world

> also

> > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th from 2nd

> house

> > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even our elder

> > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and loses

> and

> > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,

> >

> > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a great say in

> > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics of 2nd

> house.

> >

> > waiting comments from all scholars and members.

> >

> > regrds sunil nair.

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a good try

> to

> > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from some

> house,

> > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes n'th from

> > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.

> > >

> > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to understand

> basic

> > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is an

> upachaya

> > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, Bhoga trikona

> > > etc.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , rk dash

> > > arkaydash@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj

> > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF file.

> > > >

> > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course pour in. But

> > > we have to

> > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

> > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " is this.

> When

> > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as yet), we

> > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience

> emanating

> > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala of a

> house

> > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in slokas.

> We

> > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a chart.

> The

> > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud

> thinking

> > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.

> > > >

> > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your logic

> > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of wealth

> > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd, ie

> > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a rationale.

> The

> > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th hse

> > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying your

> well-

> > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the goodness

> of)

> > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.

> > > >

> > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained topics'

> > > in a more organised fashion...

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if solely

> > > > based on " Houses " alone.

> > > > ==>

> > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But we

> have to

> > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

> > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You agree?

> > > > <==

> > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as Planet/lords

> etc

> > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.

> > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and so the

> > > same

> > > > is discarded.

> > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based derivation -

> and

> > > > so the same is discarded.

> > > >

> > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses, and so

> > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed with

> > > > explaining the logic behid each of those derivations...

> > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , rk dash

> > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Shreenadh,

> > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the compedium.

> > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time to

> make

> > > out

> > > > what is meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > In 1st house

> > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land

> > > > >

> > > > > 2nd hse

> > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality, life

> of

> > > > plenty, corpulent

> > > > >

> > > > > 3rd hse

> > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong

> > > > >

> > > > > 4th hse

> > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also

> mean 'very

> > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns by

> right

> > > > means, devoted to father, voracious

> > > > >

> > > > > 5th hse

> > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, known his

> for

> > > > good qualities

> > > > >

> > > > > 6th hse

> > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues

> enemies, on

> > > > the side of good deeds

> > > > >

> > > > > 7th hse

> > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself fast

> > > > during coitus, good-looking

> > > > >

> > > > > 8th hse

> > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-lived,

> harsh

> > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a

> benefic

> > > > >

> > > > > 9th hse

> > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced (without

> > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant

> > > > >

> > > > > 10th hse

> > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent towards

> > > > guru and mother, king, famous

> > > > >

> > > > > 11th hse

> > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during coitus,

> > > > powerful

> > > > >

> > > > > 12th hse

> > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free loader

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But we

> have

> > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in a

> > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You agree?

> > > > >

> > > > > RK

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the best

> > > (best

> > > > as

> > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to

> be)

> > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> different

> > > > houses)

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that book

> > > for " lagna

> > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much beneficial

> to

> > > our

> > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used behind

> those

> > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those derivations;

> as

> > > > usual

> > > > > based on conditions such as -

> > > > > * logical or not

> > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not

> > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the Sanskrit

> > > > original

> > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are logical,

> and

> > > > > reflect the actual experience.

> > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate that

> it

> > > > could

> > > > > be valuable material.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of the 7-

> fold

> > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must be

> kept

> > > on.

> > > > I

> > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the best

> (best

> > > as

> > > > the

> > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to be)

> > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> different

> > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion nor is

> > > there

> > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions in the

> > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very insightful

> > > stuff.

> > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > RK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on

> board

> > > for

> > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora

> > > > Pradeepam.

> > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation of

> the

> > > > text.

> > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > > interpretation

> > > > in

> > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated very

> > > high.

> > > > What

> > > > > > say?

> > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> classics?

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart from

> > > > Parasara

> > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are available for

> the

> > > > same in

> > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. The

> > > statements

> > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost importance in

> > > Hora

> > > > Ratna

> > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of the

> slokas

> > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja hora).

> Hora

> > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther of

> Hora

> > > > Sara

> > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th

> > > century.

> > > > Thus -

> > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported by

> Hora

> > > > Ratna.

> > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported by

> Hora

> > > > Sara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the same at

> > > times

> > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an elaborate

> > > > search for

> > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka

> Parijata,

> > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary slokas

> > > related

> > > > to

> > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas

> > > relevant

> > > > to

> > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas (Whereever

> I

> > > find

> > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for sure

> none

> > > > of the

> > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora Pradeepam)

> > > > discusses

> > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current

> knowledge

> > > and

> > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are

> > > > concerned it

> > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject

> > > extensively

> > > > are

> > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same (since they

> use

> > > 7-

> > > > fold

> > > > > > method).

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's what

> this

> > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is about.

> That's

> > > > the

> > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, winkling the

> > > > secrets

> > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to

> Parasara we

> > > > take

> > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja

> Hora,

> > > and

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall

> > > > reputation of

> > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not

> otherwise

> > > be

> > > > > > rated very high. What say?

> > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> classics?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be cynosures

> of

> > > (the

> > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers all?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as LL

> going

> > > > to H-7

> > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a

> > > malefic'

> > > > is

> > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot

> discount

> > > it

> > > > as far

> > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the sloka

> is

> > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would

> discuss

> > > in

> > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree absolutely

> with

> > > > your

> > > > > > > logic and argument.

> > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could be

> the

> > > > point

> > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) even

> > > though

> > > > the

> > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have

> clearly

> > > > stated,

> > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD

> BE ''susuta'

> > > > (good

> > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt open

> > > till

> > > > we

> > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given in

> other

> > > > texts and

> > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the results

> > > > predicted

> > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-

> > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions given in

> > > other

> > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results

> observed.

> > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is:

> L-1

> > > > goes

> > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> discounted.

> > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be considered,

> and

> > > > other

> > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being

> aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, ONLY

> WHEN

> > > > the

> > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; just

> not

> > > to

> > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your statement

> > > > completely.

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a

> natural

> > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes of

> L-1

> > > > going to

> > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in

> life/wife

> > > > etc). If

> > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction,

> saying " where

> > > L-

> > > > 5 (or

> > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling' is:

> L-1

> > > > goes

> > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> discounted.

> > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let's carry on,

> > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points mentioned.

> Let

> > > us

> > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our logic.

> > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good

> qualities

> > > > such as

> > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional

> approach

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this account

> for

> > > the

> > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify second

> > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house the

> > > > native is

> > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord in

> 2nd

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by women

> etc.

> > > > Thus it

> > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many relations

> > > (wives).

> > > > It

> > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and lagna

> > > lord

> > > > in 2nd

> > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as a

> bad

> > > > > result, but

> > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will have

> every

> > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > luxury including women.

> > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house

> > > usually

> > > > is of

> > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results.

> That is

> > > > why the

> > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - many

> > > kinds

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it could be

> due

> > > to

> > > > > bhavat

> > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this regard.

> > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can affect

> > > both

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. That

> is

> > > why

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th signify

> 1st

> > > > child

> > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit from

> > > the

> > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility

> of 'double

> > > > > impact' i

> > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will

> verify)

> > > > gain of

> > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child should be

> > > born

> > > > for it

> > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations

> consistent)

> > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. Therefore

> it

> > > is

> > > > > > > > logically ok.

> > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical consideration

> then

> > > > we test

> > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small

> beginning

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in BHPH.

> I'll

> > > go

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) which are

> not

> > > > self-

> > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When in 1st

> > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > Many wives

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When in 3rd

> > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When in 4th

> > > > > > > > > Lust

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When in 5th

> > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When in 7th

> > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When in 12th

> > > > > > > > > Good health

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the first

> > > > factor

> > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department

> represented

> > > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good that

> > > > lagna lord

> > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement in

> 5th.

> > > > Why loss

> > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta',

> > > meaning

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for all

> house

> > > of

> > > > > tenancy

> > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. Rule

> says

> > > > that any

> > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment to the

> > > > house the

> > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 in

> 12th

> > > > ensuring

> > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of body

> > > (12th

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to

> > > detriment?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various

> houses

> > > as

> > > > per

> > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a discussion

> on

> > > the

> > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in

> decisions,

> > > 2

> > > > wives

> > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, happiness,

> good

> > > > habits,

> > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of wealth,

> 2

> > > > wives,

> > > > > > > > intelligent.

> > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother with

> > > good

> > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and good

> > > > qualities.

> > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from children,

> loss

> > > of

> > > > first

> > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and authorities.

> > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics)

> trouble

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a malefic) his

> > > wife

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he will

> > > become

> > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be detached

> > > > towards his

> > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is possible

> > > that

> > > > he

> > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or also

> that

> > > he

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge,

> troubled

> > > by

> > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be

> interested in

> > > > all

> > > > > kinds

> > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so on,

> > > very

> > > > much

> > > > > > > > angry.

> > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of

> Vishnu,

> > > > > master of

> > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and

> children.

> > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in power

> > > (the

> > > > native

> > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government servant,

> > > very

> > > > much

> > > > > > > > popular.

> > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good

> > > popularity

> > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good

> qualities,

> > > > many

> > > > > wives.

> > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without reason,

> > > angry

> > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and if

> no

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > aspects 12th)

> > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , manju

> > > > chawla

> > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are

> really

> > > > > helping us

> > > > > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > manju

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the subject " What

> > > should

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " - let

> the

> > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual results.

> > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with

> > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is

> God's

> > > > > business---

> > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox

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September 16, 2007

Dear Srinadh.

I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me in what

folder this pdf is there.

regards,

Lalit.

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit ji,

> It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt in

> detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various

houses.pdf "

> file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it here. I

> will try to upload the document possibly by today evening itself.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Sunil Ji,

> >

> > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this -

> >

> > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being 12'th

to

> > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i think

is

> > not true.

> >

> > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from 11'th,

> > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.

> >

> > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna,

> > >

> > > dear lalit ,

> > >

> > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both

dustana

> > and

> > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free will

u

> > can

> > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also known

as

> > houses

> > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya gives

good

> > > results .

> > >

> > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.

> > >

> > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba

where

> > one

> > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to

prashna

> > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of

> > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side

world

> > also

> > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th from

2nd

> > house

> > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even our

elder

> > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and

loses

> > and

> > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,

> > >

> > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a great

say in

> > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics of

2nd

> > house.

> > >

> > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair.

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > >

> > > , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a good

try

> > to

> > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from some

> > house,

> > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes n'th

from

> > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.

> > > >

> > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to

understand

> > basic

> > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is an

> > upachaya

> > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, Bhoga

trikona

> > > > etc.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , rk dash

> > > > arkaydash@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj

> > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF

file.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course pour in.

But

> > > > we have to

> > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in

a

> > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " is

this.

> > When

> > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as

yet), we

> > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience

> > emanating

> > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala of

a

> > house

> > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in

slokas.

> > We

> > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a

chart.

> > The

> > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud

> > thinking

> > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.

> > > > >

> > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your

logic

> > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of

wealth

> > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd, ie

> > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a

rationale.

> > The

> > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th

hse

> > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying your

> > well-

> > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the

goodness

> > of)

> > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best,

> > > > > RK

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained

topics'

> > > > in a more organised fashion...

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if

solely

> > > > > based on " Houses " alone.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But we

> > have to

> > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 in

a

> > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

agree?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as

Planet/lords

> > etc

> > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.

> > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and so

the

> > > > same

> > > > > is discarded.

> > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based

derivation -

> > and

> > > > > so the same is discarded.

> > > > >

> > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses,

and so

> > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed with

> > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those derivations...

> > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shreenadh,

> > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the

compedium.

> > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time

to

> > make

> > > > out

> > > > > what is meant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In 1st house

> > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2nd hse

> > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality,

life

> > of

> > > > > plenty, corpulent

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3rd hse

> > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4th hse

> > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also

> > mean 'very

> > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns

by

> > right

> > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5th hse

> > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, known

his

> > for

> > > > > good qualities

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6th hse

> > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues

> > enemies, on

> > > > > the side of good deeds

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7th hse

> > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself

fast

> > > > > during coitus, good-looking

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8th hse

> > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-

lived,

> > harsh

> > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a

> > benefic

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9th hse

> > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced (without

> > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 10th hse

> > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent

towards

> > > > > guru and mother, king, famous

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 11th hse

> > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during

coitus,

> > > > > powerful

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 12th hse

> > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free loader

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But

we

> > have

> > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1

in a

> > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

agree?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the

best

> > > > (best

> > > > > as

> > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic

to

> > be)

> > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > different

> > > > > houses)

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that book

> > > > for " lagna

> > > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much

beneficial

> > to

> > > > our

> > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used behind

> > those

> > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those

derivations;

> > as

> > > > > usual

> > > > > > based on conditions such as -

> > > > > > * logical or not

> > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not

> > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the

Sanskrit

> > > > > original

> > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are

logical,

> > and

> > > > > > reflect the actual experience.

> > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate

that

> > it

> > > > > could

> > > > > > be valuable material.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of the

7-

> > fold

> > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must

be

> > kept

> > > > on.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the best

> > (best

> > > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic to

be)

> > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > different

> > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion

nor is

> > > > there

> > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions

in the

> > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very

insightful

> > > > stuff.

> > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take on

> > board

> > > > for

> > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and Hora

> > > > > Pradeepam.

> > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall reputation

of

> > the

> > > > > text.

> > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > > > interpretation

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be rated

very

> > > > high.

> > > > > What

> > > > > > > say?

> > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > classics?

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart

from

> > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are available

for

> > the

> > > > > same in

> > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. The

> > > > statements

> > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost

importance in

> > > > Hora

> > > > > Ratna

> > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of the

> > slokas

> > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja

hora).

> > Hora

> > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the auther

of

> > Hora

> > > > > Sara

> > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of 17th

> > > > century.

> > > > > Thus -

> > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported

by

> > Hora

> > > > > Ratna.

> > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported

by

> > Hora

> > > > > Sara.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the

same at

> > > > times

> > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an

elaborate

> > > > > search for

> > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka

> > Parijata,

> > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary

slokas

> > > > related

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some slokas

> > > > relevant

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas

(Whereever

> > I

> > > > find

> > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for

sure

> > none

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora

Pradeepam)

> > > > > discusses

> > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current

> > knowledge

> > > > and

> > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) are

> > > > > concerned it

> > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject

> > > > extensively

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same (since

they

> > use

> > > > 7-

> > > > > fold

> > > > > > > method).

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's

what

> > this

> > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is

about.

> > That's

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task,

winkling the

> > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to

> > Parasara we

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: Meenaraja

> > Hora,

> > > > and

> > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the overall

> > > > > reputation of

> > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the

aspect of

> > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not

> > otherwise

> > > > be

> > > > > > > rated very high. What say?

> > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > classics?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be

cynosures

> > of

> > > > (the

> > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. Onlookers

all?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far as

LL

> > going

> > > > > to H-7

> > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL is a

> > > > malefic'

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot

> > discount

> > > > it

> > > > > as far

> > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the

sloka

> > is

> > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we would

> > discuss

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree

absolutely

> > with

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > logic and argument.

> > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there could

be

> > the

> > > > > point

> > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results)

even

> > > > though

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have

> > clearly

> > > > > stated,

> > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD

> > BE ''susuta'

> > > > > (good

> > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this doubt

open

> > > > till

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given

in

> > other

> > > > > texts and

> > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the

results

> > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-

> > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions

given in

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual results

> > observed.

> > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling'

is:

> > L-1

> > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > discounted.

> > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be

considered,

> > and

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being

> > aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries,

ONLY

> > WHEN

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself;

just

> > not

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your

statement

> > > > > completely.

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rk

dash

> > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being a

> > natural

> > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those outcomes

of

> > L-1

> > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in

> > life/wife

> > > > > etc). If

> > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction,

> > saying " where

> > > > L-

> > > > > 5 (or

> > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of the 'ruling'

is:

> > L-1

> > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > discounted.

> > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,

> > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points

mentioned.

> > Let

> > > > us

> > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our

logic.

> > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good

> > qualities

> > > > > such as

> > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional

> > approach

> > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this

account

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify

second

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any house

the

> > > > > native is

> > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna lord

in

> > 2nd

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by

women

> > etc.

> > > > > Thus it

> > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many relations

> > > > (wives).

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and

lagna

> > > > lord

> > > > > in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT as

a

> > bad

> > > > > > result, but

> > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will

have

> > every

> > > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > luxury including women.

> > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a house

> > > > usually

> > > > > is of

> > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many results.

> > That is

> > > > > why the

> > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd -

many

> > > > kinds

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it

could be

> > due

> > > > to

> > > > > > bhavat

> > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this

regard.

> > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can

affect

> > > > both

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact.

That

> > is

> > > > why

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th

signify

> > 1st

> > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a bit

from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility

> > of 'double

> > > > > > impact' i

> > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will

> > verify)

> > > > > gain of

> > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child

should be

> > > > born

> > > > > for it

> > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations

> > consistent)

> > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic.

Therefore

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > logically ok.

> > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , rk

dash

> > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical

consideration

> > then

> > > > > we test

> > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small

> > beginning

> > > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in

BHPH.

> > I'll

> > > > go

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) which

are

> > not

> > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When in 1st

> > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > Many wives

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When in 4th

> > > > > > > > > > Lust

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When in 7th

> > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When in 12th

> > > > > > > > > > Good health

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given the

first

> > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department

> > represented

> > > > by

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping good

that

> > > > > lagna lord

> > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its placement

in

> > 5th.

> > > > > Why loss

> > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works declare, 'susuta',

> > > > meaning

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for

all

> > house

> > > > of

> > > > > > tenancy

> > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about.

Rule

> > says

> > > > > that any

> > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment

to the

> > > > > house the

> > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1

in

> > 12th

> > > > > ensuring

> > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition of

body

> > > > (12th

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to

> > > > detriment?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in various

> > houses

> > > > as

> > > > > per

> > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a

discussion

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in

> > decisions,

> > > > 2

> > > > > wives

> > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings,

happiness,

> > good

> > > > > habits,

> > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of

wealth,

> > 2

> > > > > wives,

> > > > > > > > > intelligent.

> > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy mother

with

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty and

good

> > > > > qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from

children,

> > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and authorities.

> > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics)

> > trouble

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a

malefic) his

> > > > wife

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he

will

> > > > become

> > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be

detached

> > > > > towards his

> > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is

possible

> > > > that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or

also

> > that

> > > > he

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge,

> > troubled

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be

> > interested in

> > > > > all

> > > > > > kinds

> > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and so

on,

> > > > very

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > angry.

> > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee of

> > Vishnu,

> > > > > > master of

> > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and

> > children.

> > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in

power

> > > > (the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government

servant,

> > > > very

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > popular.

> > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good

> > > > popularity

> > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good

> > qualities,

> > > > > many

> > > > > > wives.

> > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without

reason,

> > > > angry

> > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th and

if

> > no

> > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)

> > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

manju

> > > > > chawla

> > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You are

> > really

> > > > > > helping us

> > > > > > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > manju

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the

subject " What

> > > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " -

let

> > the

> > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual

results.

> > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with

> > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection is

> > God's

> > > > > > business---

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September 16, 2007

Dear Srinadh,

Ok i got it but thre is no discussion on 4'th (12'th to 5'th house),

which in fact creates a Raj Yoga if related by lordship.

regards,

Lalit.

, " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Dear Srinadh.

>

> I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me in

what

> folder this pdf is there.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit ji,

> > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt

in

> > detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various

> houses.pdf "

> > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it here. I

> > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening

itself.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sunil Ji,

> > >

> > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this -

> > >

> > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being

12'th

> to

> > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i

think

> is

> > > not true.

> > >

> > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from

11'th,

> > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.

> > >

> > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear lalit ,

> > > >

> > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both

> dustana

> > > and

> > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free

will

> u

> > > can

> > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also

known

> as

> > > houses

> > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya

gives

> good

> > > > results .

> > > >

> > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.

> > > >

> > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba

> where

> > > one

> > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to

> prashna

> > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of

> > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side

> world

> > > also

> > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th

from

> 2nd

> > > house

> > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even our

> elder

> > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and

> loses

> > > and

> > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,

> > > >

> > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a great

> say in

> > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics of

> 2nd

> > > house.

> > > >

> > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair.

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > > , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a

good

> try

> > > to

> > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from

some

> > > house,

> > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes

n'th

> from

> > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to

> understand

> > > basic

> > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is

an

> > > upachaya

> > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, Bhoga

> trikona

> > > > > etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > arkaydash@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj

> > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF

> file.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course pour

in.

> But

> > > > > we have to

> > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1

in

> a

> > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " is

> this.

> > > When

> > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as

> yet), we

> > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience

> > > emanating

> > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala

of

> a

> > > house

> > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in

> slokas.

> > > We

> > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a

> chart.

> > > The

> > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud

> > > thinking

> > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your

> logic

> > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of

> wealth

> > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd,

ie

> > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a

> rationale.

> > > The

> > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th

> hse

> > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying

your

> > > well-

> > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the

> goodness

> > > of)

> > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > RK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained

> topics'

> > > > > in a more organised fashion...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if

> solely

> > > > > > based on " Houses " alone.

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But

we

> > > have to

> > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1

in

> a

> > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

> agree?

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as

> Planet/lords

> > > etc

> > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.

> > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and

so

> the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > is discarded.

> > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based

> derivation -

> > > and

> > > > > > so the same is discarded.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses,

> and so

> > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed

with

> > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those derivations...

> > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shreenadh,

> > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the

> compedium.

> > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time

> to

> > > make

> > > > > out

> > > > > > what is meant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In 1st house

> > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2nd hse

> > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality,

> life

> > > of

> > > > > > plenty, corpulent

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3rd hse

> > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4th hse

> > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also

> > > mean 'very

> > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns

> by

> > > right

> > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5th hse

> > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility,

known

> his

> > > for

> > > > > > good qualities

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6th hse

> > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues

> > > enemies, on

> > > > > > the side of good deeds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7th hse

> > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself

> fast

> > > > > > during coitus, good-looking

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8th hse

> > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-

> lived,

> > > harsh

> > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a

> > > benefic

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 9th hse

> > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced

(without

> > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 10th hse

> > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent

> towards

> > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 11th hse

> > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during

> coitus,

> > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 12th hse

> > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free

loader

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But

> we

> > > have

> > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from

L1

> in a

> > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

> agree?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the

> best

> > > > > (best

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a

classic

> to

> > > be)

> > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > > different

> > > > > > houses)

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that

book

> > > > > for " lagna

> > > > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much

> beneficial

> > > to

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used

behind

> > > those

> > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those

> derivations;

> > > as

> > > > > > usual

> > > > > > > based on conditions such as -

> > > > > > > * logical or not

> > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not

> > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the

> Sanskrit

> > > > > > original

> > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are

> logical,

> > > and

> > > > > > > reflect the actual experience.

> > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate

> that

> > > it

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > be valuable material.

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of

the

> 7-

> > > fold

> > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must

> be

> > > kept

> > > > > on.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the

best

> > > (best

> > > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic

to

> be)

> > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > > different

> > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion

> nor is

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions

> in the

> > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very

> insightful

> > > > > stuff.

> > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take

on

> > > board

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and

Hora

> > > > > > Pradeepam.

> > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall

reputation

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > text.

> > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > > > > interpretation

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be

rated

> very

> > > > > high.

> > > > > > What

> > > > > > > > say?

> > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > > classics?

> > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart

> from

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are

available

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > same in

> > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it.

The

> > > > > statements

> > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost

> importance in

> > > > > Hora

> > > > > > Ratna

> > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of

the

> > > slokas

> > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja

> hora).

> > > Hora

> > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the

auther

> of

> > > Hora

> > > > > > Sara

> > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of

17th

> > > > > century.

> > > > > > Thus -

> > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported

> by

> > > Hora

> > > > > > Ratna.

> > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported

> by

> > > Hora

> > > > > > Sara.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the

> same at

> > > > > times

> > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an

> elaborate

> > > > > > search for

> > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka

> > > Parijata,

> > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary

> slokas

> > > > > related

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some

slokas

> > > > > relevant

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas

> (Whereever

> > > I

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for

> sure

> > > none

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora

> Pradeepam)

> > > > > > discusses

> > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current

> > > knowledge

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas)

are

> > > > > > concerned it

> > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject

> > > > > extensively

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same

(since

> they

> > > use

> > > > > 7-

> > > > > > fold

> > > > > > > > method).

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rk

dash

> > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's

> what

> > > this

> > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is

> about.

> > > That's

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task,

> winkling the

> > > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to

> > > Parasara we

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two:

Meenaraja

> > > Hora,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the

overall

> > > > > > reputation of

> > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the

> aspect of

> > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not

> > > otherwise

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > rated very high. What say?

> > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > > classics?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be

> cynosures

> > > of

> > > > > (the

> > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament.

Onlookers

> all?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far

as

> LL

> > > going

> > > > > > to H-7

> > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL

is a

> > > > > malefic'

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot

> > > discount

> > > > > it

> > > > > > as far

> > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the

> sloka

> > > is

> > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we

would

> > > discuss

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree

> absolutely

> > > with

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > logic and argument.

> > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there

could

> be

> > > the

> > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results)

> even

> > > > > though

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have

> > > clearly

> > > > > > stated,

> > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD

> > > BE ''susuta'

> > > > > > (good

> > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this

doubt

> open

> > > > > till

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given

> in

> > > other

> > > > > > texts and

> > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the

> results

> > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-

> > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions

> given in

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual

results

> > > observed.

> > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of

the 'ruling'

> is:

> > > L-1

> > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > > discounted.

> > > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > > > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be

> considered,

> > > and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries,

> ONLY

> > > WHEN

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself;

> just

> > > not

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your

> statement

> > > > > > completely.

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , rk

> dash

> > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being

a

> > > natural

> > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those

outcomes

> of

> > > L-1

> > > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in

> > > life/wife

> > > > > > etc). If

> > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction,

> > > saying " where

> > > > > L-

> > > > > > 5 (or

> > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of

the 'ruling'

> is:

> > > L-1

> > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > > discounted.

> > > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,

> > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points

> mentioned.

> > > Let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our

> logic.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good

> > > qualities

> > > > > > such as

> > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional

> > > approach

> > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this

> account

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify

> second

> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any

house

> the

> > > > > > native is

> > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna

lord

> in

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by

> women

> > > etc.

> > > > > > Thus it

> > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many

relations

> > > > > (wives).

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and

> lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT

as

> a

> > > bad

> > > > > > > result, but

> > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will

> have

> > > every

> > > > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > luxury including women.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a

house

> > > > > usually

> > > > > > is of

> > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many

results.

> > > That is

> > > > > > why the

> > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd -

> many

> > > > > kinds

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it

> could be

> > > due

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > bhavat

> > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this

> regard.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can

> affect

> > > > > both

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact.

> That

> > > is

> > > > > why

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th

> signify

> > > 1st

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a

bit

> from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility

> > > of 'double

> > > > > > > impact' i

> > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will

> > > verify)

> > > > > > gain of

> > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child

> should be

> > > > > born

> > > > > > for it

> > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations

> > > consistent)

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and

wife

> > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic.

> Therefore

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > logically ok.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

rk

> dash

> > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical

> consideration

> > > then

> > > > > > we test

> > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small

> > > beginning

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in

> BHPH.

> > > I'll

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results)

which

> are

> > > not

> > > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st

> > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > Many wives

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > Lust

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > Good health

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given

the

> first

> > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department

> > > represented

> > > > > by

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping

good

> that

> > > > > > lagna lord

> > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its

placement

> in

> > > 5th.

> > > > > > Why loss

> > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works

declare, 'susuta',

> > > > > meaning

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for

> all

> > > house

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > tenancy

> > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about.

> Rule

> > > says

> > > > > > that any

> > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment

> to the

> > > > > > house the

> > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1

> in

> > > 12th

> > > > > > ensuring

> > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition

of

> body

> > > > > (12th

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to

> > > > > detriment?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in

various

> > > houses

> > > > > as

> > > > > > per

> > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a

> discussion

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in

> > > decisions,

> > > > > 2

> > > > > > wives

> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings,

> happiness,

> > > good

> > > > > > habits,

> > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of

> wealth,

> > > 2

> > > > > > wives,

> > > > > > > > > > intelligent.

> > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy

mother

> with

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty

and

> good

> > > > > > qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from

> children,

> > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and

authorities.

> > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics)

> > > trouble

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a

> malefic) his

> > > > > wife

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he

> will

> > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be

> detached

> > > > > > towards his

> > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is

> possible

> > > > > that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or

> also

> > > that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge,

> > > troubled

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be

> > > interested in

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > kinds

> > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and

so

> on,

> > > > > very

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > angry.

> > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee

of

> > > Vishnu,

> > > > > > > master of

> > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and

> > > children.

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in

> power

> > > > > (the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government

> servant,

> > > > > very

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > popular.

> > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good

> > > > > popularity

> > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good

> > > qualities,

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > wives.

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without

> reason,

> > > > > angry

> > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th

and

> if

> > > no

> > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)

> > > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> manju

> > > > > > chawla

> > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You

are

> > > really

> > > > > > > helping us

> > > > > > > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > manju

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the

> subject " What

> > > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " -

> let

> > > the

> > > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual

> results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with

> > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection

is

> > > God's

> > > > > > > business---

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September 17, 2007

Dear Lalit ji,

It is inside the folder named " Sreenadh " . But I am yet to upload the

updated file, I will try to do it by today evening.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Dear Srinadh.

>

> I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me in

what

> folder this pdf is there.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit ji,

> > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt

in

> > detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various

> houses.pdf "

> > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it here. I

> > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening

itself.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sunil Ji,

> > >

> > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this -

> > >

> > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being

12'th

> to

> > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i

think

> is

> > > not true.

> > >

> > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from

11'th,

> > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.

> > >

> > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear lalit ,

> > > >

> > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both

> dustana

> > > and

> > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free

will

> u

> > > can

> > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also

known

> as

> > > houses

> > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya

gives

> good

> > > > results .

> > > >

> > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.

> > > >

> > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba

> where

> > > one

> > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to

> prashna

> > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of

> > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side

> world

> > > also

> > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th

from

> 2nd

> > > house

> > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even our

> elder

> > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and

> loses

> > > and

> > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,

> > > >

> > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a great

> say in

> > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics of

> 2nd

> > > house.

> > > >

> > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair.

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > > , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a

good

> try

> > > to

> > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from

some

> > > house,

> > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes

n'th

> from

> > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to

> understand

> > > basic

> > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is

an

> > > upachaya

> > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, Bhoga

> trikona

> > > > > etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > arkaydash@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj

> > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF

> file.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course pour

in.

> But

> > > > > we have to

> > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1

in

> a

> > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " is

> this.

> > > When

> > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as

> yet), we

> > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience

> > > emanating

> > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala

of

> a

> > > house

> > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in

> slokas.

> > > We

> > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a

> chart.

> > > The

> > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud

> > > thinking

> > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your

> logic

> > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of

> wealth

> > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd,

ie

> > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a

> rationale.

> > > The

> > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th

> hse

> > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying

your

> > > well-

> > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the

> goodness

> > > of)

> > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > RK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained

> topics'

> > > > > in a more organised fashion...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if

> solely

> > > > > > based on " Houses " alone.

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But

we

> > > have to

> > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1

in

> a

> > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

> agree?

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as

> Planet/lords

> > > etc

> > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.

> > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and

so

> the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > is discarded.

> > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based

> derivation -

> > > and

> > > > > > so the same is discarded.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses,

> and so

> > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed

with

> > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those derivations...

> > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shreenadh,

> > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the

> compedium.

> > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time

> to

> > > make

> > > > > out

> > > > > > what is meant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In 1st house

> > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2nd hse

> > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality,

> life

> > > of

> > > > > > plenty, corpulent

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3rd hse

> > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4th hse

> > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also

> > > mean 'very

> > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns

> by

> > > right

> > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5th hse

> > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility,

known

> his

> > > for

> > > > > > good qualities

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6th hse

> > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues

> > > enemies, on

> > > > > > the side of good deeds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7th hse

> > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself

> fast

> > > > > > during coitus, good-looking

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8th hse

> > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-

> lived,

> > > harsh

> > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a

> > > benefic

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 9th hse

> > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced

(without

> > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 10th hse

> > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent

> towards

> > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 11th hse

> > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during

> coitus,

> > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 12th hse

> > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free

loader

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But

> we

> > > have

> > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from

L1

> in a

> > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

> agree?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the

> best

> > > > > (best

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a

classic

> to

> > > be)

> > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > > different

> > > > > > houses)

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that

book

> > > > > for " lagna

> > > > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much

> beneficial

> > > to

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used

behind

> > > those

> > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those

> derivations;

> > > as

> > > > > > usual

> > > > > > > based on conditions such as -

> > > > > > > * logical or not

> > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not

> > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the

> Sanskrit

> > > > > > original

> > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are

> logical,

> > > and

> > > > > > > reflect the actual experience.

> > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate

> that

> > > it

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > be valuable material.

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of

the

> 7-

> > > fold

> > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must

> be

> > > kept

> > > > > on.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the

best

> > > (best

> > > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic

to

> be)

> > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > > different

> > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion

> nor is

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions

> in the

> > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very

> insightful

> > > > > stuff.

> > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take

on

> > > board

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and

Hora

> > > > > > Pradeepam.

> > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall

reputation

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > text.

> > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > > > > interpretation

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be

rated

> very

> > > > > high.

> > > > > > What

> > > > > > > > say?

> > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > > classics?

> > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart

> from

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are

available

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > same in

> > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it.

The

> > > > > statements

> > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost

> importance in

> > > > > Hora

> > > > > > Ratna

> > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of

the

> > > slokas

> > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja

> hora).

> > > Hora

> > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the

auther

> of

> > > Hora

> > > > > > Sara

> > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of

17th

> > > > > century.

> > > > > > Thus -

> > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported

> by

> > > Hora

> > > > > > Ratna.

> > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported

> by

> > > Hora

> > > > > > Sara.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the

> same at

> > > > > times

> > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an

> elaborate

> > > > > > search for

> > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka

> > > Parijata,

> > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary

> slokas

> > > > > related

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some

slokas

> > > > > relevant

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas

> (Whereever

> > > I

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for

> sure

> > > none

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora

> Pradeepam)

> > > > > > discusses

> > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current

> > > knowledge

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas)

are

> > > > > > concerned it

> > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject

> > > > > extensively

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same

(since

> they

> > > use

> > > > > 7-

> > > > > > fold

> > > > > > > > method).

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rk

dash

> > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's

> what

> > > this

> > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is

> about.

> > > That's

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task,

> winkling the

> > > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to

> > > Parasara we

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two:

Meenaraja

> > > Hora,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the

overall

> > > > > > reputation of

> > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the

> aspect of

> > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not

> > > otherwise

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > rated very high. What say?

> > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > > classics?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be

> cynosures

> > > of

> > > > > (the

> > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament.

Onlookers

> all?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far

as

> LL

> > > going

> > > > > > to H-7

> > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL

is a

> > > > > malefic'

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot

> > > discount

> > > > > it

> > > > > > as far

> > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the

> sloka

> > > is

> > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we

would

> > > discuss

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree

> absolutely

> > > with

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > logic and argument.

> > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there

could

> be

> > > the

> > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results)

> even

> > > > > though

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have

> > > clearly

> > > > > > stated,

> > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD

> > > BE ''susuta'

> > > > > > (good

> > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this

doubt

> open

> > > > > till

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given

> in

> > > other

> > > > > > texts and

> > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the

> results

> > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-

> > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions

> given in

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual

results

> > > observed.

> > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of

the 'ruling'

> is:

> > > L-1

> > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > > discounted.

> > > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > > > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be

> considered,

> > > and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries,

> ONLY

> > > WHEN

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself;

> just

> > > not

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your

> statement

> > > > > > completely.

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , rk

> dash

> > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being

a

> > > natural

> > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those

outcomes

> of

> > > L-1

> > > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in

> > > life/wife

> > > > > > etc). If

> > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction,

> > > saying " where

> > > > > L-

> > > > > > 5 (or

> > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of

the 'ruling'

> is:

> > > L-1

> > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > > discounted.

> > > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,

> > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points

> mentioned.

> > > Let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our

> logic.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good

> > > qualities

> > > > > > such as

> > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional

> > > approach

> > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this

> account

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify

> second

> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any

house

> the

> > > > > > native is

> > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna

lord

> in

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by

> women

> > > etc.

> > > > > > Thus it

> > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many

relations

> > > > > (wives).

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and

> lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT

as

> a

> > > bad

> > > > > > > result, but

> > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will

> have

> > > every

> > > > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > luxury including women.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a

house

> > > > > usually

> > > > > > is of

> > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many

results.

> > > That is

> > > > > > why the

> > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd -

> many

> > > > > kinds

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it

> could be

> > > due

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > bhavat

> > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this

> regard.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can

> affect

> > > > > both

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact.

> That

> > > is

> > > > > why

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th

> signify

> > > 1st

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a

bit

> from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility

> > > of 'double

> > > > > > > impact' i

> > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will

> > > verify)

> > > > > > gain of

> > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child

> should be

> > > > > born

> > > > > > for it

> > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations

> > > consistent)

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and

wife

> > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic.

> Therefore

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > logically ok.

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

rk

> dash

> > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical

> consideration

> > > then

> > > > > > we test

> > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small

> > > beginning

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in

> BHPH.

> > > I'll

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results)

which

> are

> > > not

> > > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st

> > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > Many wives

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > Lust

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > Good health

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given

the

> first

> > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department

> > > represented

> > > > > by

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping

good

> that

> > > > > > lagna lord

> > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its

placement

> in

> > > 5th.

> > > > > > Why loss

> > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works

declare, 'susuta',

> > > > > meaning

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for

> all

> > > house

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > tenancy

> > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about.

> Rule

> > > says

> > > > > > that any

> > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment

> to the

> > > > > > house the

> > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1

> in

> > > 12th

> > > > > > ensuring

> > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition

of

> body

> > > > > (12th

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to

> > > > > detriment?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in

various

> > > houses

> > > > > as

> > > > > > per

> > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a

> discussion

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in

> > > decisions,

> > > > > 2

> > > > > > wives

> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings,

> happiness,

> > > good

> > > > > > habits,

> > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of

> wealth,

> > > 2

> > > > > > wives,

> > > > > > > > > > intelligent.

> > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy

mother

> with

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty

and

> good

> > > > > > qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from

> children,

> > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and

authorities.

> > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics)

> > > trouble

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a

> malefic) his

> > > > > wife

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he

> will

> > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be

> detached

> > > > > > towards his

> > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is

> possible

> > > > > that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or

> also

> > > that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge,

> > > troubled

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be

> > > interested in

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > kinds

> > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and

so

> on,

> > > > > very

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > angry.

> > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee

of

> > > Vishnu,

> > > > > > > master of

> > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and

> > > children.

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in

> power

> > > > > (the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government

> servant,

> > > > > very

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > popular.

> > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good

> > > > > popularity

> > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good

> > > qualities,

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > wives.

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without

> reason,

> > > > > angry

> > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th

and

> if

> > > no

> > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)

> > > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> manju

> > > > > > chawla

> > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You

are

> > > really

> > > > > > > helping us

> > > > > > > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > manju

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the

> subject " What

> > > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " -

> let

> > > the

> > > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual

> results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with

> > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection

is

> > > God's

> > > > > > > business---

> > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox

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Dear Lalit,

You can find the updated file in the files section.

URL:Sreenadh/Lagna%\

20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

Note that there is no spoon feeding involved - The problem houses

6-8-12 is discussed in general with regard to 'Bhavat Bhavam'. It is

up to you to apply it efficiently everywhere.

==>

> 4'th (12'th to 5'th house),

> which in fact creates a Raj Yoga if related by lordship.

<==

Of course many things create raja yoga; but the same if irrelevant to

the current discussion of deriving results; and is out of context.

What we are interested is NOT in some generalized yogas, but in EXACT

results/derivations. Please understand the difference.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Dear Srinadh,

>

> Ok i got it but thre is no discussion on 4'th (12'th to 5'th house),

> which in fact creates a Raj Yoga if related by lordship.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srinadh.

> >

> > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me in

> what

> > folder this pdf is there.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt

> in

> > > detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various

> > houses.pdf "

> > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it here. I

> > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening

> itself.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this -

> > > >

> > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being

> 12'th

> > to

> > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i

> think

> > is

> > > > not true.

> > > >

> > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from

> 11'th,

> > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.

> > > >

> > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear lalit ,

> > > > >

> > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both

> > dustana

> > > > and

> > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free

> will

> > u

> > > > can

> > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also

> known

> > as

> > > > houses

> > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya

> gives

> > good

> > > > > results .

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba

> > where

> > > > one

> > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to

> > prashna

> > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of

> > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side

> > world

> > > > also

> > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th

> from

> > 2nd

> > > > house

> > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even our

> > elder

> > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and

> > loses

> > > > and

> > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a great

> > say in

> > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics of

> > 2nd

> > > > house.

> > > > >

> > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair.

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol "

> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a

> good

> > try

> > > > to

> > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from

> some

> > > > house,

> > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes

> n'th

> > from

> > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to

> > understand

> > > > basic

> > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is

> an

> > > > upachaya

> > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, Bhoga

> > trikona

> > > > > > etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj

> > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF

> > file.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course pour

> in.

> > But

> > > > > > we have to

> > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1

> in

> > a

> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " is

> > this.

> > > > When

> > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as

> > yet), we

> > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience

> > > > emanating

> > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala

> of

> > a

> > > > house

> > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in

> > slokas.

> > > > We

> > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a

> > chart.

> > > > The

> > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud

> > > > thinking

> > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your

> > logic

> > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of

> > wealth

> > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd,

> ie

> > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a

> > rationale.

> > > > The

> > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th

> > hse

> > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying

> your

> > > > well-

> > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the

> > goodness

> > > > of)

> > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained

> > topics'

> > > > > > in a more organised fashion...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if

> > solely

> > > > > > > based on " Houses " alone.

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But

> we

> > > > have to

> > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1

> in

> > a

> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

> > agree?

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as

> > Planet/lords

> > > > etc

> > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.

> > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and

> so

> > the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > is discarded.

> > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based

> > derivation -

> > > > and

> > > > > > > so the same is discarded.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses,

> > and so

> > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed

> with

> > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those derivations...

> > > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shreenadh,

> > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the

> > compedium.

> > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time

> > to

> > > > make

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > what is meant.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In 1st house

> > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2nd hse

> > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality,

> > life

> > > > of

> > > > > > > plenty, corpulent

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3rd hse

> > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4th hse

> > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also

> > > > mean 'very

> > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns

> > by

> > > > right

> > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5th hse

> > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility,

> known

> > his

> > > > for

> > > > > > > good qualities

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6th hse

> > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues

> > > > enemies, on

> > > > > > > the side of good deeds

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7th hse

> > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself

> > fast

> > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8th hse

> > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-

> > lived,

> > > > harsh

> > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 9th hse

> > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced

> (without

> > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 10th hse

> > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent

> > towards

> > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 11th hse

> > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during

> > coitus,

> > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 12th hse

> > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free

> loader

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But

> > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from

> L1

> > in a

> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

> > agree?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the

> > best

> > > > > > (best

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a

> classic

> > to

> > > > be)

> > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > > > different

> > > > > > > houses)

> > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that

> book

> > > > > > for " lagna

> > > > > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much

> > beneficial

> > > > to

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used

> behind

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those

> > derivations;

> > > > as

> > > > > > > usual

> > > > > > > > based on conditions such as -

> > > > > > > > * logical or not

> > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not

> > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the

> > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > original

> > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are

> > logical,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience.

> > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > be valuable material.

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of

> the

> > 7-

> > > > fold

> > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must

> > be

> > > > kept

> > > > > > on.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the

> best

> > > > (best

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic

> to

> > be)

> > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > > > different

> > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion

> > nor is

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions

> > in the

> > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very

> > insightful

> > > > > > stuff.

> > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take

> on

> > > > board

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and

> Hora

> > > > > > > Pradeepam.

> > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall

> reputation

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > text.

> > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > > > > > interpretation

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be

> rated

> > very

> > > > > > high.

> > > > > > > What

> > > > > > > > > say?

> > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > > > classics?

> > > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart

> > from

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are

> available

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > same in

> > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it.

> The

> > > > > > statements

> > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost

> > importance in

> > > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > Ratna

> > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of

> the

> > > > slokas

> > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja

> > hora).

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the

> auther

> > of

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > > Sara

> > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of

> 17th

> > > > > > century.

> > > > > > > Thus -

> > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported

> > by

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > > Ratna.

> > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported

> > by

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > > Sara.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the

> > same at

> > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an

> > elaborate

> > > > > > > search for

> > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka

> > > > Parijata,

> > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary

> > slokas

> > > > > > related

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some

> slokas

> > > > > > relevant

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas

> > (Whereever

> > > > I

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for

> > sure

> > > > none

> > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora

> > Pradeepam)

> > > > > > > discusses

> > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas)

> are

> > > > > > > concerned it

> > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject

> > > > > > extensively

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same

> (since

> > they

> > > > use

> > > > > > 7-

> > > > > > > fold

> > > > > > > > > method).

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , rk

> dash

> > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's

> > what

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is

> > about.

> > > > That's

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task,

> > winkling the

> > > > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to

> > > > Parasara we

> > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two:

> Meenaraja

> > > > Hora,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the

> overall

> > > > > > > reputation of

> > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the

> > aspect of

> > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not

> > > > otherwise

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say?

> > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > > > classics?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be

> > cynosures

> > > > of

> > > > > > (the

> > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament.

> Onlookers

> > all?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far

> as

> > LL

> > > > going

> > > > > > > to H-7

> > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL

> is a

> > > > > > malefic'

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot

> > > > discount

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > as far

> > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the

> > sloka

> > > > is

> > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we

> would

> > > > discuss

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree

> > absolutely

> > > > with

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > logic and argument.

> > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there

> could

> > be

> > > > the

> > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results)

> > even

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have

> > > > clearly

> > > > > > > stated,

> > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD

> > > > BE ''susuta'

> > > > > > > (good

> > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this

> doubt

> > open

> > > > > > till

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given

> > in

> > > > other

> > > > > > > texts and

> > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the

> > results

> > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions

> > given in

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual

> results

> > > > observed.

> > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > > > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of

> the 'ruling'

> > is:

> > > > L-1

> > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > > > discounted.

> > > > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > > > > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be

> > considered,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries,

> > ONLY

> > > > WHEN

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself;

> > just

> > > > not

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your

> > statement

> > > > > > > completely.

> > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , rk

> > dash

> > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being

> a

> > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those

> outcomes

> > of

> > > > L-1

> > > > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in

> > > > life/wife

> > > > > > > etc). If

> > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction,

> > > > saying " where

> > > > > > L-

> > > > > > > 5 (or

> > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of

> the 'ruling'

> > is:

> > > > L-1

> > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > > > discounted.

> > > > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,

> > > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points

> > mentioned.

> > > > Let

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our

> > logic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good

> > > > qualities

> > > > > > > such as

> > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional

> > > > approach

> > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this

> > account

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify

> > second

> > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any

> house

> > the

> > > > > > > native is

> > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna

> lord

> > in

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by

> > women

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > > Thus it

> > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many

> relations

> > > > > > (wives).

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and

> > lagna

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT

> as

> > a

> > > > bad

> > > > > > > > result, but

> > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will

> > have

> > > > every

> > > > > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a

> house

> > > > > > usually

> > > > > > > is of

> > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many

> results.

> > > > That is

> > > > > > > why the

> > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd -

> > many

> > > > > > kinds

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it

> > could be

> > > > due

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > bhavat

> > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this

> > regard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can

> > affect

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact.

> > That

> > > > is

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th

> > signify

> > > > 1st

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a

> bit

> > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility

> > > > of 'double

> > > > > > > > impact' i

> > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will

> > > > verify)

> > > > > > > gain of

> > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child

> > should be

> > > > > > born

> > > > > > > for it

> > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations

> > > > consistent)

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and

> wife

> > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic.

> > Therefore

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > logically ok.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> rk

> > dash

> > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical

> > consideration

> > > > then

> > > > > > > we test

> > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small

> > > > beginning

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in

> > BHPH.

> > > > I'll

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results)

> which

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st

> > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lust

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Good health

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given

> the

> > first

> > > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department

> > > > represented

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping

> good

> > that

> > > > > > > lagna lord

> > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its

> placement

> > in

> > > > 5th.

> > > > > > > Why loss

> > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works

> declare, 'susuta',

> > > > > > meaning

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for

> > all

> > > > house

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > tenancy

> > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about.

> > Rule

> > > > says

> > > > > > > that any

> > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment

> > to the

> > > > > > > house the

> > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1

> > in

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > > ensuring

> > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition

> of

> > body

> > > > > > (12th

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to

> > > > > > detriment?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in

> various

> > > > houses

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > per

> > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a

> > discussion

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in

> > > > decisions,

> > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > wives

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings,

> > happiness,

> > > > good

> > > > > > > habits,

> > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of

> > wealth,

> > > > 2

> > > > > > > wives,

> > > > > > > > > > > intelligent.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy

> mother

> > with

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty

> and

> > good

> > > > > > > qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from

> > children,

> > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and

> authorities.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics)

> > > > trouble

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a

> > malefic) his

> > > > > > wife

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he

> > will

> > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be

> > detached

> > > > > > > towards his

> > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is

> > possible

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or

> > also

> > > > that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge,

> > > > troubled

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be

> > > > interested in

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > kinds

> > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and

> so

> > on,

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > angry.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee

> of

> > > > Vishnu,

> > > > > > > > master of

> > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and

> > > > children.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in

> > power

> > > > > > (the

> > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government

> > servant,

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > popular.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good

> > > > > > popularity

> > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good

> > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > wives.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without

> > reason,

> > > > > > angry

> > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th

> and

> > if

> > > > no

> > > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)

> > > > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > manju

> > > > > > > chawla

> > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You

> are

> > > > really

> > > > > > > > helping us

> > > > > > > > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manju

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the

> > subject " What

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " -

>

> > let

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual

> > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with

> > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection

> is

> > > > God's

> > > > > > > > business---

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Dear RK ji,

4th (12th from 5th) : 5th lord in 4th can indicate the death of

child, loss of child etc. Too much activity of mind (4th) destroys

creativity (5th). Mind is against intellect - 4th is 12th from 5th.

But Intellect strengthens imaginative capabilities - 5th is 2nd from

4th. Of course 5th lord in 4th can provide good results such as love

and care from mother, wealth, clear and simple mind and intellect,

advising nature like that of a teacher or minister.

9th (12th from 10th): 10th lord in 4th can indicate loss of job and

hard life of father. Of course 10th lord in 9th can also provide good

results such as good life with wife and children, birth in a kingly

family, kingly life etc.

But is it not true to say that all these (the things that sprigs

from Lalit's doubts) are out are a bit of out of context since we are

discussing " Lagna lord in various houses " , but the doubts are related

to " 4th lord in 5th house " ? That was one of the reasons I was a bit

reluctant to respond to those questions. May be if we are a bit more

patient, and approach the subject systematically, we could discuss all

these things in more detail as we reach that section.

Of course " Bhavat Bhavam " is 'one of the tools' that should be used

to derive results, but 'it is not the only rule'. If the prime

significance (4th mother, 7th spouse etc) are not there, based on what

we are going to do the 'Bhavat Bhavam'?!! Therefore absolutely right

is your statement -

==>

7th -- that which confronts you, the other that you interact with --

is PRIMARILY & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like

<==

But I don't agree with the remaining part of that statement, which

says " so 'mother' reduplication drops off " . No, it does not! Note that

there are several slokas available which predicts the death of mother

if 4th and 7th are afflicted by malefic - indicating the importance of

7th as 4th from 4th and also indicating the importance of 7th in

signifying mother.

Let us all keep away the detailed discussion of other houses to a

later date and let us go back to " Lagna lord in various houses " .

Love,

Sreenadh

, rk dash

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil, Lalit Saab, Sreenadh and friends,

>

> My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has its

ambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the ambit,

the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being 12th from

5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away from

5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing untoward

happens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My personal

experience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I have

come across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. Yes, in

the former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or one of

them) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I know of

at least one such chart.

>

> So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds not?

We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation.

>

> Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken care of the goof that

7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to how to

reconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo it

reduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not all of

them. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as asset,

etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) cannot

clash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- that

which confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is PRIMARILY

& IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' reduplication

drops off.

>

> We'll try to be lively but unerring.

> RK

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Lalit ji,

> It is inside the folder named " Sreenadh " . But I am yet to upload the

> updated file, I will try to do it by today evening.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srinadh.

> >

> > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me in

> what

> > folder this pdf is there.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt

> in

> > > detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various

> > houses.pdf "

> > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it here. I

> > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening

> itself.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this -

> > > >

> > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being

> 12'th

> > to

> > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i

> think

> > is

> > > > not true.

> > > >

> > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from

> 11'th,

> > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.

> > > >

> > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear lalit ,

> > > > >

> > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both

> > dustana

> > > > and

> > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free

> will

> > u

> > > > can

> > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also

> known

> > as

> > > > houses

> > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya

> gives

> > good

> > > > > results .

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba

> > where

> > > > one

> > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to

> > prashna

> > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of

> > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side

> > world

> > > > also

> > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th

> from

> > 2nd

> > > > house

> > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even our

> > elder

> > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and

> > loses

> > > > and

> > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a great

> > say in

> > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics of

> > 2nd

> > > > house.

> > > > >

> > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair.

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol "

> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a

> good

> > try

> > > > to

> > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from

> some

> > > > house,

> > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes

> n'th

> > from

> > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to

> > understand

> > > > basic

> > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is

> an

> > > > upachaya

> > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, Bhoga

> > trikona

> > > > > > etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj

> > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF

> > file.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course pour

> in.

> > But

> > > > > > we have to

> > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1

> in

> > a

> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " is

> > this.

> > > > When

> > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as

> > yet), we

> > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience

> > > > emanating

> > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala

> of

> > a

> > > > house

> > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in

> > slokas.

> > > > We

> > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a

> > chart.

> > > > The

> > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud

> > > > thinking

> > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your

> > logic

> > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of

> > wealth

> > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd,

> ie

> > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a

> > rationale.

> > > > The

> > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th

> > hse

> > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying

> your

> > > > well-

> > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the

> > goodness

> > > > of)

> > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained

> > topics'

> > > > > > in a more organised fashion...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if

> > solely

> > > > > > > based on " Houses " alone.

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But

> we

> > > > have to

> > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1

> in

> > a

> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

> > agree?

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as

> > Planet/lords

> > > > etc

> > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.

> > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and

> so

> > the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > is discarded.

> > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based

> > derivation -

> > > > and

> > > > > > > so the same is discarded.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses,

> > and so

> > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed

> with

> > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those derivations...

> > > > > > > Love and Hugs,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shreenadh,

> > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the

> > compedium.

> > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time

> > to

> > > > make

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > what is meant.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In 1st house

> > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2nd hse

> > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality,

> > life

> > > > of

> > > > > > > plenty, corpulent

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3rd hse

> > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4th hse

> > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also

> > > > mean 'very

> > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns

> > by

> > > > right

> > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5th hse

> > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility,

> known

> > his

> > > > for

> > > > > > > good qualities

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6th hse

> > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues

> > > > enemies, on

> > > > > > > the side of good deeds

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7th hse

> > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself

> > fast

> > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8th hse

> > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-

> > lived,

> > > > harsh

> > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 9th hse

> > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced

> (without

> > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 10th hse

> > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent

> > towards

> > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 11th hse

> > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during

> > coitus,

> > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 12th hse

> > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free

> loader

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But

> > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from

> L1

> > in a

> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You

> > agree?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the

> > best

> > > > > > (best

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a

> classic

> > to

> > > > be)

> > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > > > different

> > > > > > > houses)

> > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that

> book

> > > > > > for " lagna

> > > > > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much

> > beneficial

> > > > to

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used

> behind

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those

> > derivations;

> > > > as

> > > > > > > usual

> > > > > > > > based on conditions such as -

> > > > > > > > * logical or not

> > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not

> > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the

> > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > original

> > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are

> > logical,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience.

> > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.

> > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > be valuable material.

> > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rk dash

> > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of

> the

> > 7-

> > > > fold

> > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must

> > be

> > > > kept

> > > > > > on.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the

> best

> > > > (best

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic

> to

> > be)

> > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to

> > > > different

> > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion

> > nor is

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions

> > in the

> > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very

> > insightful

> > > > > > stuff.

> > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take

> on

> > > > board

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and

> Hora

> > > > > > > Pradeepam.

> > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall

> reputation

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > text.

> > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of

> > > > > > interpretation

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be

> rated

> > very

> > > > > > high.

> > > > > > > What

> > > > > > > > > say?

> > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > > > classics?

> > > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart

> > from

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are

> available

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > same in

> > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it.

> The

> > > > > > statements

> > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost

> > importance in

> > > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > Ratna

> > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of

> the

> > > > slokas

> > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja

> > hora).

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the

> auther

> > of

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > > Sara

> > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of

> 17th

> > > > > > century.

> > > > > > > Thus -

> > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported

> > by

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > > Ratna.

> > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported

> > by

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > > Sara.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the

> > same at

> > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an

> > elaborate

> > > > > > > search for

> > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka

> > > > Parijata,

> > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary

> > slokas

> > > > > > related

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some

> slokas

> > > > > > relevant

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas

> > (Whereever

> > > > I

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for

> > sure

> > > > none

> > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora

> > Pradeepam)

> > > > > > > discusses

> > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas)

> are

> > > > > > > concerned it

> > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject

> > > > > > extensively

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same

> (since

> > they

> > > > use

> > > > > > 7-

> > > > > > > fold

> > > > > > > > > method).

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , rk

> dash

> > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. That's

> > what

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is

> > about.

> > > > That's

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task,

> > winkling the

> > > > > > > secrets

> > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to

> > > > Parasara we

> > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two:

> Meenaraja

> > > > Hora,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Hora

> > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the

> overall

> > > > > > > reputation of

> > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the

> > aspect of

> > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not

> > > > otherwise

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say?

> > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or

> > > > classics?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be

> > cynosures

> > > > of

> > > > > > (the

> > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament.

> Onlookers

> > all?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far

> as

> > LL

> > > > going

> > > > > > > to H-7

> > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL

> is a

> > > > > > malefic'

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot

> > > > discount

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > as far

> > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the

> > sloka

> > > > is

> > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we

> would

> > > > discuss

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree

> > absolutely

> > > > with

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > logic and argument.

> > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there

> could

> > be

> > > > the

> > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results)

> > even

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have

> > > > clearly

> > > > > > > stated,

> > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD

> > > > BE ''susuta'

> > > > > > > (good

> > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this

> doubt

> > open

> > > > > > till

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given

> > in

> > > > other

> > > > > > > texts and

> > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.

> > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the

> > results

> > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions

> > given in

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual

> results

> > > > observed.

> > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -

> > > > > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of

> the 'ruling'

> > is:

> > > > L-1

> > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > > > discounted.

> > > > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -

> > > > > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be

> > considered,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted "

> > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries,

> > ONLY

> > > > WHEN

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself;

> > just

> > > > not

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.

> > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your

> > statement

> > > > > > > completely.

> > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , rk

> > dash

> > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,

> > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being

> a

> > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those

> outcomes

> > of

> > > > L-1

> > > > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in

> > > > life/wife

> > > > > > > etc). If

> > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction,

> > > > saying " where

> > > > > > L-

> > > > > > > 5 (or

> > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of

> the 'ruling'

> > is:

> > > > L-1

> > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly

> > > > discounted.

> > > > > > > Clear?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,

> > > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points

> > mentioned.

> > > > Let

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our

> > logic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good

> > > > qualities

> > > > > > > such as

> > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional

> > > > approach

> > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this

> > account

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives

> > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify

> > second

> > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any

> house

> > the

> > > > > > > native is

> > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna

> lord

> > in

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by

> > women

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > > Thus it

> > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many

> relations

> > > > > > (wives).

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and

> > lagna

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT

> as

> > a

> > > > bad

> > > > > > > > result, but

> > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will

> > have

> > > > every

> > > > > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a

> house

> > > > > > usually

> > > > > > > is of

> > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many

> results.

> > > > That is

> > > > > > > why the

> > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd -

> > many

> > > > > > kinds

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it

> > could be

> > > > due

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > bhavat

> > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this

> > regard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust

> > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can

> > affect

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact.

> > That

> > > > is

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th

> > signify

> > > > 1st

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a

> bit

> > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility

> > > > of 'double

> > > > > > > > impact' i

> > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will

> > > > verify)

> > > > > > > gain of

> > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child

> > should be

> > > > > > born

> > > > > > > for it

> > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations

> > > > consistent)

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and

> wife

> > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic.

> > Therefore

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > logically ok.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health

> > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.

> > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> rk

> > dash

> > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical

> > consideration

> > > > then

> > > > > > > we test

> > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small

> > > > beginning

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in

> > BHPH.

> > > > I'll

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results)

> which

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > self-

> > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st

> > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lust

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Good health

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given

> the

> > first

> > > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department

> > > > represented

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping

> good

> > that

> > > > > > > lagna lord

> > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its

> placement

> > in

> > > > 5th.

> > > > > > > Why loss

> > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works

> declare, 'susuta',

> > > > > > meaning

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for

> > all

> > > > house

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > tenancy

> > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about.

> > Rule

> > > > says

> > > > > > > that any

> > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment

> > to the

> > > > > > > house the

> > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1

> > in

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > > ensuring

> > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition

> of

> > body

> > > > > > (12th

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to

> > > > > > detriment?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RK

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in

> various

> > > > houses

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > per

> > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a

> > discussion

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in

> > > > decisions,

> > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > wives

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings,

> > happiness,

> > > > good

> > > > > > > habits,

> > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of

> > wealth,

> > > > 2

> > > > > > > wives,

> > > > > > > > > > > intelligent.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy

> mother

> > with

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty

> and

> > good

> > > > > > > qualities.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from

> > children,

> > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and

> authorities.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics)

> > > > trouble

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a

> > malefic) his

> > > > > > wife

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he

> > will

> > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be

> > detached

> > > > > > > towards his

> > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is

> > possible

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or

> > also

> > > > that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge,

> > > > troubled

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be

> > > > interested in

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > kinds

> > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and

> so

> > on,

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > angry.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee

> of

> > > > Vishnu,

> > > > > > > > master of

> > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and

> > > > children.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in

> > power

> > > > > > (the

> > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government

> > servant,

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > popular.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good

> > > > > > popularity

> > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good

> > > > qualities,

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > wives.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without

> > reason,

> > > > > > angry

> > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th

> and

> > if

> > > > no

> > > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)

> > > > > > > > > > > > =================================

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > manju

> > > > > > > chawla

> > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You

> are

> > > > really

> > > > > > > > helping us

> > > > > > > > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manju

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the

> > subject " What

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses? " -

>

> > let

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual

> > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with

> > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection

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OK, another day. RK Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,4th (12th from 5th) : 5th lord in 4th can indicate the death ofchild, loss of child etc. Too much activity of mind (4th) destroyscreativity (5th). Mind is against intellect - 4th is 12th from 5th.But Intellect strengthens imaginative capabilities - 5th is 2nd from4th. Of course 5th lord in 4th can provide good results such as loveand care from mother, wealth, clear and simple mind and intellect,advising nature like that of

a teacher or minister. 9th (12th from 10th): 10th lord in 4th can indicate loss of job andhard life of father. Of course 10th lord in 9th can also provide goodresults such as good life with wife and children, birth in a kinglyfamily, kingly life etc.But is it not true to say that all these (the things that sprigsfrom Lalit's doubts) are out are a bit of out of context since we arediscussing "Lagna lord in various houses", but the doubts are relatedto "4th lord in 5th house"? That was one of the reasons I was a bitreluctant to respond to those questions. May be if we are a bit morepatient, and approach the subject systematically, we could discuss allthese things in more detail as we reach that section. Of course "Bhavat Bhavam" is 'one of the tools' that should be usedto derive results, but 'it is not the only rule'. If the primesignificance (4th mother, 7th spouse etc) are not there, based on whatwe are going to

do the 'Bhavat Bhavam'?!! Therefore absolutely rightis your statement -==>7th -- that which confronts you, the other that you interact with --is PRIMARILY & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like<==But I don't agree with the remaining part of that statement, whichsays "so 'mother' reduplication drops off". No, it does not! Note thatthere are several slokas available which predicts the death of motherif 4th and 7th are afflicted by malefic - indicating the importance of7th as 4th from 4th and also indicating the importance of 7th insignifying mother.Let us all keep away the detailed discussion of other houses to alater date and let us go back to "Lagna lord in various houses".Love,Sreenadh , rk dash<arkaydash wrote:>> Dear Sunil, Lalit

Saab, Sreenadh and friends,> > My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has itsambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the ambit,the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being 12th from5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away from5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing untowardhappens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My personalexperience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I havecome across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. Yes, inthe former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or one ofthem) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I know ofat least one such chart. > > So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds not?We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation.> > Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken

care of the goof that7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to how toreconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo itreduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not all ofthem. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as asset,etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) cannotclash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- thatwhich confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is PRIMARILY & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' reduplicationdrops off.> > We'll try to be lively but unerring.> RK> > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Lalit ji,> It is inside the folder named "Sreenadh". But I am yet to upload the > updated file, I will try to do it by today evening.> Love,> Sreenadh > > , "litsol" > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> >> > Dear Srinadh.> > > > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me in > what > > folder this pdf is there.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit ji,> > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt > in> > > detail in my modified document on "Lagna lord in various > > houses.pdf"> > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it here. I> > > will try to upload the

document possibly by today evening > itself. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "litsol"> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this - > > > > > > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being > 12'th > > to > > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i > think > > is > > > > not true.> > > > > > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from > 11'th, > > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.>

> > > > > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna,> > > > > > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both > > dustana > > > > and> > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free > will > > u > > > > can> > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also >

known > > as > > > > houses> > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya > gives > > good> > > > > results .> > > > > > > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.> > > > > > > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba > > where > > > > one> > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to > > prashna> > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of> > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side > > world > > > > also> > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th > from > > 2nd > > > > house> > > >

> ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even our > > elder> > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and > > loses > > > > and> > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,> > > > > > > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a great > > say in> > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics of > > 2nd > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.> > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , "litsol"> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a > good > > try > > > > to> > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from > some > > > > house,> > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes > n'th > > from> > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.> > > > > >> > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to > > understand > > > > basic> > > > > > charactersitic like if

upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is > an > > > > upachaya> > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, Bhoga > > trikona> > > > > > etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj> > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF > > file.> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > What I meant when I said: "Examples will of course pour > in. > > But> > > > > > we have to> > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 > in > > a> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration" is > > this. > > > > When> > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as > > yet), we> > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience > > > > emanating> > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala > of > > a > > > > house> > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in > > slokas. > > > > We> > > > > > all

know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a > > chart. > > > > The> > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud > > > > thinking> > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your > > logic> > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of > > wealth> > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd, > ie> > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a > > rationale. > > > > The> > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th > > hse> > > > > > holds --

house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying > your > > > > well-> > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the > > goodness > > > > of)> > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > RK> > > > > > >> > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained > > topics'> > > > > > in a more organised fashion...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > Thanks. The

derivations given are good - and looks as if > > solely> > > > > > > based on "Houses" alone.> > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But > we > > > > have to> > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 > in > > a> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You > > agree?> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as > > Planet/lords > > > > etc> > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.> > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and > so > > the> > > > > >

same> > > > > > > is discarded.> > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based > > derivation - > > > > and> > > > > > > so the same is discarded.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses, > > and so> > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed > with> > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those derivations... > > > > > > > Love and Hugs,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > >

<arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shreenadh,> > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the > > compedium.> > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time > > to > > > > make> > > > > > out> > > > > > > what is meant.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In 1st house> > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2nd hse> > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality, > > life > > > > of> > > > > > > plenty, corpulent> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > 3rd hse> > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 4th hse> > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also > > > > mean 'very> > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns > > by > > > > right> > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 5th hse> > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, > known > > his > > > > for> > > > > > > good qualities> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > 6th hse> > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues > > > > enemies, on> > > > > > > the side of good deeds> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 7th hse> > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself > > fast> > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 8th hse> > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-> > lived, > > > > harsh> > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a > > > > benefic> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 9th hse> > > >

> > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced > (without> > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 10th hse> > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent > > towards> > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 11th hse> > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during > > coitus,> > > > > > > powerful> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 12th hse> > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free > loader> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But > > we > > > > have> > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > L1 > > in a> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You > > agree?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the > > best> > > > > > (best> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > the compiler

thought any particular aspect from a > classic > > to > > > > be)> > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to > > > > different> > > > > > > houses)> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that > book> > > > > > for "lagna> > > > > > > > lord going to various houses"? That could be much > > beneficial > > > > to> > > > > > our> > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used > behind > > > > those> > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those > > derivations; > > > > as> > > > > > >

usual> > > > > > > > based on conditions such as -> > > > > > > > * logical or not> > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not> > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > original> > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are > > logical, > > > > and> > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience.> > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.> > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate > > that > > > > it> > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > be valuable material.> > > >

> > > > Love,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of > the > > 7-> > > > fold> > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must > > be > > > > kept> > > > > > on.> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the > best > > > > (best> > > > > > as> >

> > > > > the> > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic > to > > be)> > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to > > > > different> > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion > > nor is> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions > > in the> > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very > > insightful> > > > > > stuff.> > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > > RK> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take > on > > > > board> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and > Hora> > > > > > > Pradeepam.> > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall > reputation > > of > > > > the> > > > > > > text.> > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of> > > > > > interpretation> > > > > > > in> > > >

> > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be > rated > > very> > > > > > high.> > > > > > > What> > > > > > > > > say?> > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart > > from> > > > > > > Parasara> > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are > available > > for > > > > the> > > > > > > same in> > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. > The> > > > > > statements> > > >

> > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost > > importance in> > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > Ratna> > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of > the > > > > slokas> > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja > > hora). > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the > auther > > of > > > > Hora> > > > > > > Sara> > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of > 17th> > > > > > century.> > > > > > > Thus -> > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported >

> by > > > > Hora> > > > > > > Ratna.> > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported > > by > > > > Hora> > > > > > > Sara.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the > > same at> > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an > > elaborate> > > > > > > search for> > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka > > > > Parijata,> > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary > > slokas> > > > > > related> > > > > >

> to> > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some > slokas> > > > > > relevant> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas > > (Whereever > > > > I> > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for > > sure > > > > none> > > > > > > of the> > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora > > Pradeepam)> > > > > > > discusses> > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current > > > > knowledge> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > >

understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) > are> > > > > > > concerned it> > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject> > > > > > extensively> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same > (since > > they > > > > use> > > > > > 7-> > > > > > > fold> > > > > > > > > method).> > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , rk > dash> > > > > >

> > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the "pure" point. That's > > what > > > > this> > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is > > about. > > > > That's> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, > > winkling the> > > > > > > secrets> > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to > > > > Parasara we> > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: > Meenaraja > > > > Hora,> > > > > > and> > >

> > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the > overall> > > > > > > reputation of> > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the > > aspect of> > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not > > > > otherwise> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say?> > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be > > cynosures > > > > of> > > > > > (the> > > > > > > > >

galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. > Onlookers > > all?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far > as > > LL > > > > going> > > > > > > to H-7> > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL > is a> > > > > > malefic'> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot > > > > discount> > > > > > it>

> > > > > > as far> > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the > > sloka > > > > is> > > > > > > concerned.> > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we > would > > > > discuss> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree > > absolutely > > > > with> > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > logic and argument.> > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there > could > > be > > > > the> > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for

BPHS results) > > even> > > > > > though> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have > > > > clearly> > > > > > > stated,> > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD > > > > BE ''susuta'> > > > > > > (good> > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this > doubt > > open> > > > > > till> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given > > in > > > > other> > > > > > > texts and> > > > > > > > > > come to a logical

conclusion/derivation.> > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the > > results> > > > > > > predicted> > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-> > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions > > given in> > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)> > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual > results > > > > observed.> > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > the 'ruling'

> > is: > > > > L-1> > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -> > > > > > > > > > "LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be > > considered, > > > > and> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being > > > > aspected> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted"> > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this

base rule with corollaries, > > ONLY > > > > WHEN> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; > > just > > > > not> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.> > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your > > statement> > > > > > > completely.> > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , rk > > dash> > > > >

> > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being > a > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those > outcomes > > of > > > > L-1> > > > > > > going to> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in > > > > life/wife> > > > > > > etc). If> > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, > > > > saying "where> > > > > > L-> > > > > > > 5 (or> > > > > > > >

> > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted".> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > the 'ruling' > > is: > > > > L-1> > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,> > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > >

> > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points > > mentioned. > > > > Let> > > > > > us> > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our > > logic.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good > > > > qualities> > > > > > > such as> > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional > > > > approach> > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this > > account > > > > for> > > > > > the> > > > >

> > > logical> > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify > > second> > > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any > house > > the> > > > > > > native is> > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna > lord > > in > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by > > women > > > > etc.> > > > > > > Thus it> > >

> > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many > relations> > > > > > (wives).> > > > > > > It> > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and > > lagna> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT > as > > a > > > > bad> > > > > > > > result, but> > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will > > have > > > > every> > > > > > > > kind of> > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many

kinds of wealth, 2 wives> > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a > house> > > > > > usually> > > > > > > is of> > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many > results. > > > > That is> > > > > > > why the> > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - > > many> > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it > > could be > > > > due> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > bhavat> > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this

> > regard.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust> > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can > > affect> > > > > > both> > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. > > That > > > > is> > > > > > why> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th > > signify > > > > 1st> > > > > > > child> > > > > > > > > > >

more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a > bit > > from> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility > > > > of 'double> > > > > > > > impact' i> > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will > > > > verify)> > > > > > > gain of> > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child > > should be> > > > > > born> > > > > > > for it> > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations > > > > consistent)> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and > wife> >

> > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. > > Therefore > > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > logically ok.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health> > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , > rk > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical > > consideration > > > > then> > > > > > > we test> > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small > > > > beginning> > > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in > > BHPH. > > > > I'll> > > > > > go> > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) > which > > are > > > > not> > > > > > > self-> > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st> > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th> > > > > > > > > > > > Lust> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th>

> > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th> > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th> > > > > > > > > > > > Good health> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given > the > > first> > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department > > > > represented> > > > > > by> > > >

> > > the> > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping > good > > that> > > > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its > placement > > in > > > > 5th.> > > > > > > Why loss> > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works > declare, 'susuta',> > > > > > meaning> > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for > > all > > > > house> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > tenancy> > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. > > Rule > > > > says> > > > > > > that any> > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment > > to the> > > > > > > house the> > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 > > in > > > > 12th> > > > > > > ensuring> > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition > of > > body> > > > > > (12th> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to> > > > > >

detriment?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in > various > > > > houses> > > > > > as> > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a > > discussion > > > > on> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > >

=================================> > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in > > > > decisions,> > > > > > 2> > > > > > > wives> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, > > happiness, > > > > good> > > > > > > habits,> > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of > > wealth, > > > > 2> > > > > > > wives,> > > > > > > > > > > intelligent.> > > > > > > >

> > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy > mother > > with> > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty > and > > good> > > > > > > qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from > > children, > > > > loss> > > > > > of> > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and > authorities.> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) > > > > trouble> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.> > > > > > > >

> > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a > > malefic) his> > > > > > wife> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he > > will> > > > > > become> > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be > > detached> > > > > > > towards his> > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is > > possible> > > > > > that> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or > > also > > > > that> > > > > > he> > > > > > > > would> > > >

> > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, > > > > troubled> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be > > > > interested in> > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and > so > > on,> > > > > > very> > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > angry.> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee > of > > > > Vishnu,> > > > > > > > master of> >

> > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and > > > > children.> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in > > power> > > > > > (the> > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government > > servant,> > > > > > very> > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > popular.> > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good> > > > > > popularity> > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good > > > > qualities,> > > > > > > many> > > > >

> > > wives.> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without > > reason,> > > > > > angry> > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th > and > > if > > > > no> > > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)> > > > > > > > > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > manju> > > > > > > chawla> > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You > are > > > > really> > > > > > > > helping us> > > > > > > > > > > God bless you> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > manju> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the > > subject "What> > > > > > should> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses?" -> > > let > > > > the> > > > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual > > results.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence with> > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection > is > > > > God's> > > > > > > > business---> > > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge

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