Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Sreenadh, Yesterday I said, another day. Malefic afflication simultanously of 4th & 7th harms mother. And you say that is due to b.b., not anything else. Fine. Now tell me whether affliction of 3rd as well as 5th will persuade us to read an affliction of two co-born houses -- namely, 3rd and 3rd from 3rd, which is 5th? Would you read extended 3rd-ness (the extended theme of sibling) from 5th? Promising to relieve you of the double jeopardy. RKSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Sairam ji,Good Morning. You are right.Houses (Bhava) - are directly related to Native - Prime significance.House to House - are directly related to House and indirectly to native - Secondary significance; Details of items indicated by Primary significance.Eg _1: 4th : Mother.Houses from 4th house: Details of Mother.Eg _2: 4th : Native House.Houses from 4th house: Details of Native House.Eg _3: 2th : Face.Houses from 2th house: Details of Face.Yes, 'Bhavat Bhavam' is one of the straight forward, well known, fundamental rule used for result derivation. Love,Sreenadh , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:>> Sairaman > > goodmorning all members> > re garding bhavathvam i have something to ay> > > there aretwo divisions in astrology like a coin 2 sides> > one that isdirectly connected to lagna like education sickness accidents etc > > we cannot a proxy for our thirst sleep for job education etc unless we go to job personally work there we cannot salary> > a vechicle money property may owned by any enjoyed by others> > the lagna sufferes any thing connected to 8and 12th houswe of lagna rest ofthe bhavas from the bhavams do not much affect the native as such for eg> > if 10th lord in 5th it is 8th of 10th it is no away affects the native as the 5th 9th etc are verygood bhava for the native from the lagna whever lagna suffers the native suffers > > so connecting each bhava to other may not affect the lagnathipathi the native is not affected much > > education sleep enjoyment happniness the state of mind thirst hunger etc etc all the individual 3enjoys cannot be transfered to others> > i have my 10th lord saturn in my 5th house i have much worrying many years back after experience i have come to conclusion it never affected me i have good job well respected by boss going well for past 34 years with some good changes for betterment well experienced in so many different fields in job i am so happy as the 5th house is houe of poorvapunya all my big bosses so intimately personally attached to me with good affection and love > > bhavath bhavam is a very good concept however while expecting results as such > > > > thank y all with my wishes and regards> > rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > Dear Sunil, Lalit Saab, Sreenadh and friends,> > My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has its ambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the ambit, the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being 12th from 5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away from 5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing untoward happens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My personal experience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I have come across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. Yes, in the former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or one of them) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I know of at least one such chart. > > So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds not? We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation.> > Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken care of the goof that 7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to how to reconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo it reduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not all of them. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as asset, etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) cannot clash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- that which confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is PRIMARILY & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' reduplication drops off.> > We'll try to be lively but unerring.> RK> > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Lalit ji,> It is inside the folder named "Sreenadh". But I am yet to upload the > updated file, I will try to do it by today evening.> Love,> Sreenadh > > , "litsol" > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> >> > Dear Srinadh.> > > > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me in > what > > folder this pdf is there.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit ji,> > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt > in> > > detail in my modified document on "Lagna lord in various > > houses.pdf"> > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it here. I> > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening > itself. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "litsol"> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this - > > > > > > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being > 12'th > > to > > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i > think > > is > > > > not true.> > > > > > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from > 11'th, > > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.> > > > > > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna,> > > > > > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both > > dustana > > > > and> > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free > will > > u > > > > can> > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also > known > > as > > > > houses> > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya > gives > > good> > > > > results .> > > > > > > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.> > > > > > > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba > > where > > > > one> > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to > > prashna> > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of> > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side > > world > > > > also> > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th > from > > 2nd > > > > house> > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even our > > elder> > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and > > loses > > > > and> > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,> > > > > > > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a great > > say in> > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics of > > 2nd > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.> > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "litsol"> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a > good > > try > > > > to> > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from > some > > > > house,> > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes > n'th > > from> > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.> > > > > >> > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to > > understand > > > > basic> > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is > an > > > > upachaya> > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, Bhoga > > trikona> > > > > > etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj> > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF > > file.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What I meant when I said: "Examples will of course pour > in. > > But> > > > > > we have to> > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 > in > > a> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration" is > > this. > > > > When> > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as > > yet), we> > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular experience > > > > emanating> > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya phala > of > > a > > > > house> > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in > > slokas. > > > > We> > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a > > chart. > > > > The> > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some loud > > > > thinking> > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of your > > logic> > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result of > > wealth> > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from 2nd, > ie> > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a > > rationale. > > > > The> > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the 4th > > hse> > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying > your > > > > well-> > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the > > goodness > > > > of)> > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > RK> > > > > > >> > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained > > topics'> > > > > > in a more organised fashion...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as if > > solely> > > > > > > based on "Houses" alone.> > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. But > we > > > > have to> > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from L1 > in > > a> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You > > agree?> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as > > Planet/lords > > > > etc> > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.> > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - and > so > > the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > is discarded.> > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based > > derivation - > > > > and> > > > > > > so the same is discarded.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on houses, > > and so> > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed > with> > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those derivations... > > > > > > > Love and Hugs,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shreenadh,> > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the > > compedium.> > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take time > > to > > > > make> > > > > > out> > > > > > > what is meant.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In 1st house> > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2nd hse> > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the locality, > > life > > > > of> > > > > > > plenty, corpulent> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3rd hse> > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, strong> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 4th hse> > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also > > > > mean 'very> > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), earns > > by > > > > right> > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 5th hse> > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, > known > > his > > > > for> > > > > > > good qualities> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 6th hse> > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues > > > > enemies, on> > > > > > > the side of good deeds> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 7th hse> > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends himself > > fast> > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 8th hse> > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-> > lived, > > > > harsh> > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if a > > > > benefic> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 9th hse> > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced > (without> > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 10th hse> > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent > > towards> > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 11th hse> > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during > > coitus,> > > > > > > powerful> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 12th hse> > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free > loader> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. But > > we > > > > have> > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > L1 > > in a> > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. You > > agree?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates the > > best> > > > > > (best> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a > classic > > to > > > > be)> > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to > > > > different> > > > > > > houses)> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that > book> > > > > > for "lagna> > > > > > > > lord going to various houses"? That could be much > > beneficial > > > > to> > > > > > our> > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used > behind > > > > those> > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those > > derivations; > > > > as> > > > > > > usual> > > > > > > > based on conditions such as -> > > > > > > > * logical or not> > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not> > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > original> > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are > > logical, > > > > and> > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience.> > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.> > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think indicate > > that > > > > it> > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > be valuable material.> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of > the > > 7-> > > > fold> > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source must > > be > > > > kept> > > > > > on.> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the > best > > > > (best> > > > > > as> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic > to > > be)> > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to > > > > different> > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the portion > > nor is> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other portions > > in the> > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very > > insightful> > > > > > stuff.> > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we take > on > > > > board> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and > Hora> > > > > > > Pradeepam.> > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall > reputation > > of > > > > the> > > > > > > text.> > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of> > > > > > interpretation> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be > rated > > very> > > > > > high.> > > > > > > What> > > > > > > > > say?> > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. Apart > > from> > > > > > > Parasara> > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are > available > > for > > > > the> > > > > > > same in> > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. > The> > > > > > statements> > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost > > importance in> > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > Ratna> > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions of > the > > > > slokas> > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja > > hora). > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the > auther > > of > > > > Hora> > > > > > > Sara> > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of > 17th> > > > > > century.> > > > > > > Thus -> > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since supported > > by > > > > Hora> > > > > > > Ratna.> > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since supported > > by > > > > Hora> > > > > > > Sara.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed the > > same at> > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an > > elaborate> > > > > > > search for> > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka > > > > Parijata,> > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary > > slokas> > > > > > related> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some > slokas> > > > > > relevant> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas > > (Whereever > > > > I> > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But for > > sure > > > > none> > > > > > > of the> > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora > > Pradeepam)> > > > > > > discusses> > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my current > > > > knowledge> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi horas) > are> > > > > > > concerned it> > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this subject> > > > > > extensively> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same > (since > > they > > > > use> > > > > > 7-> > > > > > > fold> > > > > > > > > method).> > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , rk > dash> > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the "pure" point. That's > > what > > > > this> > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is > > about. > > > > That's> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, > > winkling the> > > > > > > secrets> > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next to > > > > Parasara we> > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: > Meenaraja > > > > Hora,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the > overall> > > > > > > reputation of> > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the > > aspect of> > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may not > > > > otherwise> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say?> > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be > > cynosures > > > > of> > > > > > (the> > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. > Onlookers > > all?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far > as > > LL > > > > going> > > > > > > to H-7> > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL > is a> > > > > > malefic'> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we cannot > > > > discount> > > > > > it> > > > > > > as far> > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in the > > sloka > > > > is> > > > > > > concerned.> > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we > would > > > > discuss> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree > > absolutely > > > > with> > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > logic and argument.> > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there > could > > be > > > > the> > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS results) > > even> > > > > > though> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you have > > > > clearly> > > > > > > stated,> > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD > > > > BE ''susuta'> > > > > > > (good> > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this > doubt > > open> > > > > > till> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations given > > in > > > > other> > > > > > > texts and> > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.> > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the > > results> > > > > > > predicted> > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-> > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions > > given in> > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)> > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual > results > > > > observed.> > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > the 'ruling' > > is: > > > > L-1> > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -> > > > > > > > > > "LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be > > considered, > > > > and> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL being > > > > aspected> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted"> > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with corollaries, > > ONLY > > > > WHEN> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka itself; > > just > > > > not> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.> > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your > > statement> > > > > > > completely.> > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , rk > > dash> > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 being > a > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those > outcomes > > of > > > > L-1> > > > > > > going to> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested in > > > > life/wife> > > > > > > etc). If> > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, > > > > saying "where> > > > > > L-> > > > > > > 5 (or> > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted".> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > the 'ruling' > > is: > > > > L-1> > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,> > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points > > mentioned. > > > > Let> > > > > > us> > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on our > > logic.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the good > > > > qualities> > > > > > > such as> > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, emotional > > > > approach> > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this > > account > > > > for> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > logical> > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house signify > > second> > > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any > house > > the> > > > > > > native is> > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna > lord > > in > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by > > women > > > > etc.> > > > > > > Thus it> > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many > relations> > > > > > (wives).> > > > > > > It> > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, and > > lagna> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - NOT > as > > a > > > > bad> > > > > > > > result, but> > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native will > > have > > > > every> > > > > > > > kind of> > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives> > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a > house> > > > > > usually> > > > > > > is of> > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many > results. > > > > That is> > > > > > > why the> > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from 2nd - > > many> > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it > > could be > > > > due> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > bhavat> > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this > > regard.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust> > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it can > > affect> > > > > > both> > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double impact. > > That > > > > is> > > > > > why> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th > > signify > > > > 1st> > > > > > > child> > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates a > bit > > from> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the possibility > > > > of 'double> > > > > > > > impact' i> > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we will > > > > verify)> > > > > > > gain of> > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child > > should be> > > > > > born> > > > > > > for it> > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations > > > > consistent)> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and > wife> > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. > > Therefore > > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > logically ok.> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health> > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , > rk > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical > > consideration > > > > then> > > > > > > we test> > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small > > > > beginning> > > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala in > > BHPH. > > > > I'll> > > > > > go> > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) > which > > are > > > > not> > > > > > > self-> > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st> > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th> > > > > > > > > > > > Lust> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th> > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th> > > > > > > > > > > > Good health> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given > the > > first> > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department > > > > represented> > > > > > by> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping > good > > that> > > > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its > placement > > in > > > > 5th.> > > > > > > Why loss> > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works > declare, 'susuta',> > > > > > meaning> > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage for > > all > > > > house> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > tenancy> > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. > > Rule > > > > says> > > > > > > that any> > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring detriment > > to the> > > > > > > house the> > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the L1 > > in > > > > 12th> > > > > > > ensuring> > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition > of > > body> > > > > > (12th> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject to> > > > > > detriment?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in > various > > > > houses> > > > > > as> > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a > > discussion > > > > on> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in > > > > decisions,> > > > > > 2> > > > > > > wives> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, > > happiness, > > > > good> > > > > > > habits,> > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds of > > wealth, > > > > 2> > > > > > > wives,> > > > > > > > > > > intelligent.> > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy > mother > > with> > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty > and > > good> > > > > > > qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from > > children, > > > > loss> > > > > > of> > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and > authorities.> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by malefics) > > > > trouble> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a > > malefic) his> > > > > > wife> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), he > > will> > > > > > become> > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be > > detached> > > > > > > towards his> > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is > > possible> > > > > > that> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) or > > also > > > > that> > > > > > he> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of knowledge, > > > > troubled> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be > > > > interested in> > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery and > so > > on,> > > > > > very> > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > angry.> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, devotee > of > > > > Vishnu,> > > > > > > > master of> > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife and > > > > children.> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people in > > power> > > > > > (the> > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government > > servant,> > > > > > very> > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > popular.> > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, good> > > > > > popularity> > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good > > > > qualities,> > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > wives.> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without > > reason,> > > > > > angry> > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th > and > > if > > > > no> > > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)> > > > > > > > > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > manju> > > > > > > chawla> > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You > are > > > > really> > > > > > > > helping us> > > > > > > > > > > God bless you> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > manju> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the > > subject "What> > > > > > should> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various houses?" -> > > let > > > > the> > > > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual > > results.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence with> > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach for,Perfection > is > > > > God's> > > > > > > > business---> > > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Dear RK ji, 1) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 4th & 7th (4th from 4th): harms mother In similar lines - 2) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 3rd & 5th (3rd from 3rd): harms younger co-born (brother or sister) Yes, BB is one of the major rules in operation here that helps us draw this conclusion. I don't any confusion is involved in it. This is a rule applicable everywhere. You should not that out of all the 12 houses from any house, well being of the house with the same number gains maximum importance. For example – · For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important · For 5th , 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important · For 7th, Lagna (7th from 7th ) is very important · For 8th , 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important · For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important and so on. Proceed with your argument and clarification. Love, Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Sreenadh, > > Yesterday I said, another day. > > Malefic afflication simultanously of 4th & 7th harms mother. And you say that is due to b.b., not anything else. Fine. Now tell me whether affliction of 3rd as well as 5th will persuade us to read an affliction of two co-born houses -- namely, 3rd and 3rd from 3rd, which is 5th? > Would you read extended 3rd-ness (the extended theme of sibling) from 5th? > Promising to relieve you of the double jeopardy. > > RK > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Sairam ji, > Good Morning. You are right. > Houses (Bhava) - are directly related to Native - Prime significance. > House to House - are directly related to House and indirectly to > native - Secondary significance; Details of items indicated by > Primary significance. > > Eg _1: > 4th : Mother. > Houses from 4th house: Details of Mother. > > Eg _2: > 4th : Native House. > Houses from 4th house: Details of Native House. > > Eg _3: > 2th : Face. > Houses from 2th house: Details of Face. > > Yes, 'Bhavat Bhavam' is one of the straight forward, well known, > fundamental rule used for result derivation. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , sairam nat > <sairaman53@> wrote: > > > > Sairaman > > > > goodmorning all members > > > > re garding bhavathvam i have something to ay > > > > > > there aretwo divisions in astrology like a coin 2 sides > > > > one that isdirectly connected to lagna like education sickness > accidents etc > > > > we cannot a proxy for our thirst sleep for job education etc unless > we go to job personally work there we cannot salary > > > > a vechicle money property may owned by any enjoyed by others > > > > the lagna sufferes any thing connected to 8and 12th houswe of lagna > rest ofthe bhavas from the bhavams do not much affect the native as > such for eg > > > > if 10th lord in 5th it is 8th of 10th it is no away affects the > native as the 5th 9th etc are verygood bhava for the native from the > lagna whever lagna suffers the native suffers > > > > so connecting each bhava to other may not affect the lagnathipathi > the native is not affected much > > > > education sleep enjoyment happniness the state of mind thirst > hunger etc etc all the individual 3enjoys cannot be transfered to > others > > > > i have my 10th lord saturn in my 5th house i have much worrying > many years back after experience i have come to conclusion it never > affected me i have good job well respected by boss going well for > past 34 years with some good changes for betterment well experienced > in so many different fields in job i am so happy as the 5th house is > houe of poorvapunya all my big bosses so intimately personally > attached to me with good affection and love > > > > bhavath bhavam is a very good concept however while expecting > results as such > > > > > > > > thank y all with my wishes and regards > > > > rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote: > > Dear Sunil, Lalit Saab, Sreenadh and friends, > > > > My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has its > ambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the ambit, > the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being 12th from > 5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away from > 5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing untoward > happens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My personal > experience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I have > come across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. Yes, > in the former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or one > of them) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I know > of at least one such chart. > > > > So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds not? > We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation. > > > > Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken care of the goof > that 7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to how to > reconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo it > reduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not all of > them. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as asset, > etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) cannot > clash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- that > which confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is PRIMARILY > & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' > reduplication drops off. > > > > We'll try to be lively but unerring. > > RK > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear Lalit ji, > > It is inside the folder named " Sreenadh " . But I am yet to upload > the > > updated file, I will try to do it by today evening. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Srinadh. > > > > > > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me in > > what > > > folder this pdf is there. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt > > in > > > > detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various > > > houses.pdf " > > > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it > here. I > > > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening > > itself. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this - > > > > > > > > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being > > 12'th > > > to > > > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i > > think > > > is > > > > > not true. > > > > > > > > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from > > 11'th, > > > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary. > > > > > > > > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > > > > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both > > > dustana > > > > > and > > > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free > > will > > > u > > > > > can > > > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also > > known > > > as > > > > > houses > > > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya > > gives > > > good > > > > > > results . > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba > > > where > > > > > one > > > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to > > > prashna > > > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of > > > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side > > > world > > > > > also > > > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th > > from > > > 2nd > > > > > house > > > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even > our > > > elder > > > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and > > > loses > > > > > and > > > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) , > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a > great > > > say in > > > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics > of > > > 2nd > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members. > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a > > good > > > try > > > > > to > > > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from > > some > > > > > house, > > > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes > > n'th > > > from > > > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to > > > understand > > > > > basic > > > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is > > an > > > > > upachaya > > > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, > Bhoga > > > trikona > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk dash > > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj > > > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF > > > file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course pour > > in. > > > But > > > > > > > we have to > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > L1 > > in > > > a > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " > is > > > this. > > > > > When > > > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as > > > yet), we > > > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular > experience > > > > > emanating > > > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya > phala > > of > > > a > > > > > house > > > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in > > > slokas. > > > > > We > > > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a > > > chart. > > > > > The > > > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some > loud > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of > your > > > logic > > > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result > of > > > wealth > > > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from > 2nd, > > ie > > > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a > > > rationale. > > > > > The > > > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the > 4th > > > hse > > > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying > > your > > > > > well- > > > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the > > > goodness > > > > > of) > > > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained > > > topics' > > > > > > > in a more organised fashion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as > if > > > solely > > > > > > > > based on " Houses " alone. > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. > But > > we > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > L1 > > in > > > a > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > You > > > agree? > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as > > > Planet/lords > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided. > > > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - > and > > so > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > is discarded. > > > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based > > > derivation - > > > > > and > > > > > > > > so the same is discarded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on > houses, > > > and so > > > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed > > with > > > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those > derivations... > > > > > > > > Love and Hugs, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk dash > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shreenadh, > > > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the > > > compedium. > > > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take > time > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > what is meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1st house > > > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd hse > > > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the > locality, > > > life > > > > > of > > > > > > > > plenty, corpulent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd hse > > > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th hse > > > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also > > > > > mean 'very > > > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), > earns > > > by > > > > > right > > > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th hse > > > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, > > known > > > his > > > > > for > > > > > > > > good qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th hse > > > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues > > > > > enemies, on > > > > > > > > the side of good deeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th hse > > > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends > himself > > > fast > > > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th hse > > > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long- > > > lived, > > > > > harsh > > > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if > a > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th hse > > > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced > > (without > > > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th hse > > > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent > > > towards > > > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th hse > > > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during > > > coitus, > > > > > > > > powerful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th hse > > > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free > > loader > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. > But > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- > from > > L1 > > > in a > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > You > > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates > the > > > best > > > > > > > (best > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a > > classic > > > to > > > > > be) > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to > > > > > different > > > > > > > > houses) > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that > > book > > > > > > > for " lagna > > > > > > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much > > > beneficial > > > > > to > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used > > behind > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those > > > derivations; > > > > > as > > > > > > > > usual > > > > > > > > > based on conditions such as - > > > > > > > > > * logical or not > > > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the > > > Sanskrit > > > > > > > > original > > > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are > > > logical, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience. > > > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff. > > > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think > indicate > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > be valuable material. > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk > dash > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of > > the > > > 7- > > > > > fold > > > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source > must > > > be > > > > > kept > > > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the > > best > > > > > (best > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic > > to > > > be) > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the > portion > > > nor is > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other > portions > > > in the > > > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very > > > insightful > > > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we > take > > on > > > > > board > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and > > Hora > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. > > > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall > > reputation > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > text. > > > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of > > > > > > > interpretation > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be > > rated > > > very > > > > > > > high. > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > say? > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or > > > > > classics? > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. > Apart > > > from > > > > > > > > Parasara > > > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are > > available > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same in > > > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. > > The > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost > > > importance in > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > Ratna > > > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions > of > > the > > > > > slokas > > > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja > > > hora). > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the > > auther > > > of > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of > > 17th > > > > > > > century. > > > > > > > > Thus - > > > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since > supported > > > by > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > Ratna. > > > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since > supported > > > by > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > Sara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed > the > > > same at > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > search for > > > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka > > > > > Parijata, > > > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary > > > slokas > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some > > slokas > > > > > > > relevant > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas > > > (Whereever > > > > > I > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But > for > > > sure > > > > > none > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora > > > Pradeepam) > > > > > > > > discusses > > > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my > current > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi > horas) > > are > > > > > > > > concerned it > > > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this > subject > > > > > > > extensively > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same > > (since > > > they > > > > > use > > > > > > > 7- > > > > > > > > fold > > > > > > > > > > method). > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk > > dash > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. > That's > > > what > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is > > > about. > > > > > That's > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, > > > winkling the > > > > > > > > secrets > > > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next > to > > > > > Parasara we > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: > > Meenaraja > > > > > Hora, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the > > overall > > > > > > > > reputation of > > > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the > > > aspect of > > > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may > not > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say? > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or > > > > > classics? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be > > > cynosures > > > > > of > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. > > Onlookers > > > all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far > > as > > > LL > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to H-7 > > > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL > > is a > > > > > > > malefic' > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we > cannot > > > > > discount > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > as far > > > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in > the > > > sloka > > > > > is > > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we > > would > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree > > > absolutely > > > > > with > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > logic and argument. > > > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there > > could > > > be > > > > > the > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS > results) > > > even > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you > have > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > stated, > > > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD > > > > > BE ''susuta' > > > > > > > > (good > > > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this > > doubt > > > open > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations > given > > > in > > > > > other > > > > > > > > texts and > > > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the > > > results > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context- > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions > > > given in > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam) > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual > > results > > > > > observed. > > > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is - > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > the 'ruling' > > > is: > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > > discounted. > > > > > > > > Clear? > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is - > > > > > > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be > > > considered, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL > being > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted " > > > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with > corollaries, > > > ONLY > > > > > WHEN > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka > itself; > > > just > > > > > not > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka. > > > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your > > > statement > > > > > > > > completely. > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > rk > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 > being > > a > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those > > outcomes > > > of > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > going to > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested > in > > > > > life/wife > > > > > > > > etc). If > > > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, > > > > > saying " where > > > > > > > L- > > > > > > > > 5 (or > > > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > the 'ruling' > > > is: > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > > discounted. > > > > > > > > Clear? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on, > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points > > > mentioned. > > > > > Let > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on > our > > > logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the > good > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > such as > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, > emotional > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this > > > account > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives > > > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house > signify > > > second > > > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any > > house > > > the > > > > > > > > native is > > > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna > > lord > > > in > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by > > > women > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Thus it > > > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many > > relations > > > > > > > (wives). > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, > and > > > lagna > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - > NOT > > as > > > a > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > result, but > > > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native > will > > > have > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives > > > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a > > house > > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > > is of > > > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many > > results. > > > > > That is > > > > > > > > why the > > > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from > 2nd - > > > many > > > > > > > kinds > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it > > > could be > > > > > due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > bhavat > > > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this > > > regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it > can > > > affect > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double > impact. > > > That > > > > > is > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th > > > signify > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > child > > > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates > a > > bit > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the > possibility > > > > > of 'double > > > > > > > > > impact' i > > > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we > will > > > > > verify) > > > > > > > > gain of > > > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child > > > should be > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > for it > > > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations > > > > > consistent) > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and > > wife > > > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. > > > Therefore > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > logically ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > rk > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical > > > consideration > > > > > then > > > > > > > > we test > > > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala > in > > > BHPH. > > > > > I'll > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) > > which > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > > > > self- > > > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given > > the > > > first > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department > > > > > represented > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping > > good > > > that > > > > > > > > lagna lord > > > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its > > placement > > > in > > > > > 5th. > > > > > > > > Why loss > > > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works > > declare, 'susuta', > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage > for > > > all > > > > > house > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > tenancy > > > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. > > > Rule > > > > > says > > > > > > > > that any > > > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring > detriment > > > to the > > > > > > > > house the > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the > L1 > > > in > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > ensuring > > > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition > > of > > > body > > > > > > > (12th > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject > to > > > > > > > detriment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in > > various > > > > > houses > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a > > > discussion > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in > > > > > decisions, > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, > > > happiness, > > > > > good > > > > > > > > habits, > > > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds > of > > > wealth, > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > wives, > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy > > mother > > > with > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty > > and > > > good > > > > > > > > qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from > > > children, > > > > > loss > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and > > authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by > malefics) > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a > > > malefic) his > > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), > he > > > will > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be > > > detached > > > > > > > > towards his > > > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is > > > possible > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) > or > > > also > > > > > that > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of > knowledge, > > > > > troubled > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be > > > > > interested in > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > kinds > > > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery > and > > so > > > on, > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, > devotee > > of > > > > > Vishnu, > > > > > > > > > master of > > > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife > and > > > > > children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people > in > > > power > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government > > > servant, > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > popular. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, > good > > > > > > > popularity > > > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good > > > > > qualities, > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > wives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without > > > reason, > > > > > > > angry > > > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th > > and > > > if > > > > > no > > > > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > manju > > > > > > > > chawla > > > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You > > are > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > helping us > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the > > > subject " What > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various > houses? " - > > > > > let > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence with > > > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach > for,Perfection > > is > > > > > God's > > > > > > > > > business--- > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Yes, Sreenadh, Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. But, and this is a 'nice' but, my contention is: not lock stock and barrel. Particularly where relatives are concerned we better leave the incompatible signifcations out of the reiteration in these house-pairs. It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5 houses away from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6 houses away from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another to move 7 houses from 7th and read the same from there. Our derivations would then be: 7th is spouse, 1st is spouse, not self. And one's father's co-borns would be one's enemies. The 1st and 11th where inidviduals (relatives) are concerned remain irrefragable, because reiteration will cause choas. Reminds me of a similar rule in arudha determination. When the lord of a house is 7 houses away from that house, you know the arudha does not move 7 house away from the lord's position. I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b. from actual charts, at a later stage. Your turn. RK Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,1) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 4th & 7th (4th from 4th): harms motherIn similar lines -2) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 3rd & 5th (3rd from 3rd): harms younger co-born (brother or sister)Yes, BB is one of the major rules in operation here that helps us draw this conclusion. I don't any confusion is involved in it. This is a rule applicable everywhere. You should not that out of all the 12 houses from any house, well being of the house with the same number gains maximum importance. For example –· For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important· For 5th , 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important· For 7th, Lagna (7th from 7th ) is very important· For 8th , 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important· For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important and so on. :)Proceed with your argument and clarification. :)Love,Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote:>> Sreenadh,> > Yesterday I said, another day.> > Malefic afflication simultanously of 4th & 7th harms mother. And you say that is due to b.b., not anything else. Fine. Now tell me whether affliction of 3rd as well as 5th will persuade us to read an affliction of two co-born houses -- namely, 3rd and 3rd from 3rd, which is 5th?> Would you read extended 3rd-ness (the extended theme of sibling) from 5th? > Promising to relieve you of the double jeopardy.> > RK> > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear Sairam ji,> Good Morning. You are right.> Houses (Bhava) - are directly related to Native - Prime significance.> House to House - are directly related to House and indirectly to > native - Secondary significance; Details of items indicated by > Primary significance.> > Eg _1: > 4th : Mother.> Houses from 4th house: Details of Mother.> > Eg _2: > 4th : Native House.> Houses from 4th house: Details of Native House.> > Eg _3: > 2th : Face.> Houses from 2th house: Details of Face.> > Yes, 'Bhavat Bhavam' is one of the straight forward, well known, > fundamental rule used for result derivation. > Love,> Sreenadh> > , sairam nat > <sairaman53@> wrote:> >> > Sairaman > > > > goodmorning all members> > > > re garding bhavathvam i have something to ay> > > > > > there aretwo divisions in astrology like a coin 2 sides> > > > one that isdirectly connected to lagna like education sickness > accidents etc > > > > we cannot a proxy for our thirst sleep for job education etc unless > we go to job personally work there we cannot salary> > > > a vechicle money property may owned by any enjoyed by others> > > > the lagna sufferes any thing connected to 8and 12th houswe of lagna > rest ofthe bhavas from the bhavams do not much affect the native as > such for eg> > > > if 10th lord in 5th it is 8th of 10th it is no away affects the > native as the 5th 9th etc are verygood bhava for the native from the > lagna whever lagna suffers the native suffers > > > > so connecting each bhava to other may not affect the lagnathipathi > the native is not affected much > > > > education sleep enjoyment happniness the state of mind thirst > hunger etc etc all the individual 3enjoys cannot be transfered to > others> > > > i have my 10th lord saturn in my 5th house i have much worrying > many years back after experience i have come to conclusion it never > affected me i have good job well respected by boss going well for > past 34 years with some good changes for betterment well experienced > in so many different fields in job i am so happy as the 5th house is > houe of poorvapunya all my big bosses so intimately personally > attached to me with good affection and love > > > > bhavath bhavam is a very good concept however while expecting > results as such > > > > > > > > thank y all with my wishes and regards> > > > rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote: > > Dear Sunil, Lalit Saab, Sreenadh and friends,> > > > My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has its > ambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the ambit, > the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being 12th from > 5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away from > 5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing untoward > happens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My personal > experience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I have > come across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. Yes, > in the former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or one > of them) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I know > of at least one such chart. > > > > So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds not? > We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation.> > > > Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken care of the goof > that 7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to how to > reconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo it > reduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not all of > them. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as asset, > etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) cannot > clash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- that > which confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is PRIMARILY > & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' > reduplication drops off.> > > > We'll try to be lively but unerring.> > RK> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear Lalit ji,> > It is inside the folder named "Sreenadh". But I am yet to upload > the > > updated file, I will try to do it by today evening.> > Love,> > Sreenadh > > > > , "litsol" > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Srinadh.> > > > > > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me in > > what > > > folder this pdf is there.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit ji,> > > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this doubt > > in> > > > detail in my modified document on "Lagna lord in various > > > houses.pdf"> > > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it > here. I> > > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening > > itself. > > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > , "litsol"> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this - > > > > > > > > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being > > 12'th > > > to > > > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i > > think > > > is > > > > > not true.> > > > > > > > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from > > 11'th, > > > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.> > > > > > > > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna,> > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both > > > dustana > > > > > and> > > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of free > > will > > > u > > > > > can> > > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also > > known > > > as > > > > > houses> > > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya > > gives > > > good> > > > > > results .> > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.> > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba > > > where > > > > > one> > > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according to > > > prashna> > > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of> > > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out side > > > world > > > > > also> > > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th > > from > > > 2nd > > > > > house> > > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even > our > > > elder> > > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure and > > > loses > > > > > and> > > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,> > > > > > > > > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a > great > > > say in> > > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics > of > > > 2nd > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "litsol"> > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a > > good > > > try > > > > > to> > > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from > > some > > > > > house,> > > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes > > n'th > > > from> > > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to > > > understand > > > > > basic> > > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd is > > an > > > > > upachaya> > > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, > Bhoga > > > trikona> > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj> > > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your PDF > > > file.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What I meant when I said: "Examples will of course pour > > in. > > > But> > > > > > > we have to> > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > L1 > > in > > > a> > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration" > is > > > this. > > > > > When> > > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that as > > > yet), we> > > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular > experience > > > > > emanating> > > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya > phala > > of > > > a > > > > > house> > > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation in > > > slokas. > > > > > We> > > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in a > > > chart. > > > > > The> > > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some > loud > > > > > thinking> > > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of > your > > > logic> > > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The result > of > > > wealth> > > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from > 2nd, > > ie> > > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a > > > rationale. > > > > > The> > > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the > 4th > > > hse> > > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, applying > > your > > > > > well-> > > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the > > > goodness > > > > > of)> > > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed on 'sustained > > > topics'> > > > > > > in a more organised fashion...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as > if > > > solely> > > > > > > > based on "Houses" alone.> > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. > But > > we > > > > > have to> > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > L1 > > in > > > a> > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > You > > > agree?> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as > > > Planet/lords > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.> > > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - > and > > so > > > the> > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > is discarded.> > > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based > > > derivation - > > > > > and> > > > > > > > so the same is discarded.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on > houses, > > > and so> > > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can proceed > > with> > > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those > derivations... > > > > > > > > Love and Hugs,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Shreenadh,> > > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the > > > compedium.> > > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take > time > > > to > > > > > make> > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > what is meant.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In 1st house> > > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2nd hse> > > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the > locality, > > > life > > > > > of> > > > > > > > plenty, corpulent> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3rd hse> > > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, > strong> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 4th hse> > > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could also > > > > > mean 'very> > > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), > earns > > > by > > > > > right> > > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5th hse> > > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, > > known > > > his > > > > > for> > > > > > > > good qualities> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 6th hse> > > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, subdues > > > > > enemies, on> > > > > > > > the side of good deeds> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 7th hse> > > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends > himself > > > fast> > > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 8th hse> > > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-> > > lived, > > > > > harsh> > > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique if > a > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 9th hse> > > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced > > (without> > > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, brilliant> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 10th hse> > > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, reverent > > > towards> > > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 11th hse> > > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during > > > coitus,> > > > > > > > powerful> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 12th hse> > > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free > > loader> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. > But > > > we > > > > > have> > > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- > from > > L1 > > > in a> > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > You > > > agree?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates > the > > > best> > > > > > > (best> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a > > classic > > > to > > > > > be)> > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to > > > > > different> > > > > > > > houses)> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by that > > book> > > > > > > for "lagna> > > > > > > > > lord going to various houses"? That could be much > > > beneficial > > > > > to> > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used > > behind > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those > > > derivations; > > > > > as> > > > > > > > usual> > > > > > > > > based on conditions such as -> > > > > > > > > * logical or not> > > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not> > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > original> > > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations are > > > logical, > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience.> > > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.> > > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think > indicate > > > that > > > > > it> > > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > be valuable material.> > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , rk > dash> > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one of > > the > > > 7-> > > > > fold> > > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source > must > > > be > > > > > kept> > > > > > > on.> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates the > > best > > > > > (best> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a classic > > to > > > be)> > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going to > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the > portion > > > nor is> > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other > portions > > > in the> > > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very > > > insightful> > > > > > > stuff.> > > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's see.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we > take > > on > > > > > board> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, and > > Hora> > > > > > > > Pradeepam.> > > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall > > reputation > > > of > > > > > the> > > > > > > > text.> > > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of> > > > > > > interpretation> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be > > rated > > > very> > > > > > > high.> > > > > > > > What> > > > > > > > > > say?> > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or > > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. > Apart > > > from> > > > > > > > Parasara> > > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are > > available > > > for > > > > > the> > > > > > > > same in> > > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses it. > > The> > > > > > > statements> > > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost > > > importance in> > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > Ratna> > > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions > of > > the > > > > > slokas> > > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja > > > hora). > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the > > auther > > > of > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > Sara> > > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar of > > 17th> > > > > > > century.> > > > > > > > Thus -> > > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since > supported > > > by > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > Ratna.> > > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since > supported > > > by > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > Sara.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed > the > > > same at> > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an > > > elaborate> > > > > > > > search for> > > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka > > > > > Parijata,> > > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two rudimentary > > > slokas> > > > > > > related> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some > > slokas> > > > > > > relevant> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas > > > (Whereever > > > > > I> > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But > for > > > sure > > > > > none> > > > > > > > of the> > > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora > > > Pradeepam)> > > > > > > > discusses> > > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my > current > > > > > knowledge> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi > horas) > > are> > > > > > > > concerned it> > > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this > subject> > > > > > > extensively> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same > > (since > > > they > > > > > use> > > > > > > 7-> > > > > > > > fold> > > > > > > > > > method).> > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , rk > > dash> > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the "pure" point. > That's > > > what > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is > > > about. > > > > > That's> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, > > > winkling the> > > > > > > > secrets> > > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next > to > > > > > Parasara we> > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: > > Meenaraja > > > > > Hora,> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the > > overall> > > > > > > > reputation of> > > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the > > > aspect of> > > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may > not > > > > > otherwise> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say?> > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies or > > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be > > > cynosures > > > > > of> > > > > > > (the> > > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. > > Onlookers > > > all?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as far > > as > > > LL > > > > > going> > > > > > > > to H-7> > > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if LL > > is a> > > > > > > malefic'> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we > cannot > > > > > discount> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > as far> > > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in > the > > > sloka > > > > > is> > > > > > > > concerned.> > > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we > > would > > > > > discuss> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree > > > absolutely > > > > > with> > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > logic and argument.> > > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there > > could > > > be > > > > > the> > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS > results) > > > even> > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you > have > > > > > clearly> > > > > > > > stated,> > > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD > > > > > BE ''susuta'> > > > > > > > (good> > > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this > > doubt > > > open> > > > > > > till> > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations > given > > > in > > > > > other> > > > > > > > texts and> > > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.> > > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check the > > > results> > > > > > > > predicted> > > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-> > > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the predictions > > > given in> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora Pradeepam)> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual > > results > > > > > observed.> > > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -> > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > the 'ruling' > > > is: > > > > > L-1> > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -> > > > > > > > > > > "LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be > > > considered, > > > > > and> > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL > being > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly discounted"> > > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with > corollaries, > > > ONLY > > > > > WHEN> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka > itself; > > > just > > > > > not> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.> > > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your > > > statement> > > > > > > > completely.> > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , > rk > > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 > being > > a > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those > > outcomes > > > of > > > > > L-1> > > > > > > > going to> > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, uninterested > in > > > > > life/wife> > > > > > > > etc). If> > > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, > > > > > saying "where> > > > > > > L-> > > > > > > > 5 (or> > > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted".> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > the 'ruling' > > > is: > > > > > L-1> > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,> > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points > > > mentioned. > > > > > Let> > > > > > > us> > > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on > our > > > logic.> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the > good > > > > > qualities> > > > > > > > such as> > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, > emotional > > > > > approach> > > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this > > > account > > > > > for> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > logical> > > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house > signify > > > second> > > > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any > > house > > > the> > > > > > > > native is> > > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. Lagna > > lord > > > in > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked by > > > women > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > Thus it> > > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many > > relations> > > > > > > (wives).> > > > > > > > It> > > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, > and > > > lagna> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - > NOT > > as > > > a > > > > > bad> > > > > > > > > result, but> > > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native > will > > > have > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > kind of> > > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women.> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives> > > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is a > > house> > > > > > > usually> > > > > > > > is of> > > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many > > results. > > > > > That is> > > > > > > > why the> > > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from > 2nd - > > > many> > > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that it > > > could be > > > > > due> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > bhavat> > > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in this > > > regard.> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust> > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it > can > > > affect> > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double > impact. > > > That > > > > > is> > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - 5th > > > signify > > > > > 1st> > > > > > > > child> > > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates > a > > bit > > > from> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the > possibility > > > > > of 'double> > > > > > > > > impact' i> > > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we > will > > > > > verify)> > > > > > > > gain of> > > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child > > > should be> > > > > > > born> > > > > > > > for it> > > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the derivations > > > > > consistent)> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life and > > wife> > > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. > > > Therefore > > > > > it> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > logically ok.> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health> > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > rk > > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical > > > consideration > > > > > then> > > > > > > > we test> > > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a small > > > > > beginning> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala > in > > > BHPH. > > > > > I'll> > > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) > > which > > > are > > > > > not> > > > > > > > self-> > > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 wives> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lust> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th> > > > > > > > > > > > > Good health> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, given > > the > > > first> > > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the department > > > > > represented> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the sweeping > > good > > > that> > > > > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its > > placement > > > in > > > > > 5th.> > > > > > > > Why loss> > > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works > > declare, 'susuta',> > > > > > > meaning> > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage > for > > > all > > > > > house> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > tenancy> > > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud about. > > > Rule > > > > > says> > > > > > > > that any> > > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring > detriment > > > to the> > > > > > > > house the> > > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile the > L1 > > > in > > > > > 12th> > > > > > > > ensuring> > > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the attrition > > of > > > body> > > > > > > (12th> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being subject > to> > > > > > > detriment?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in > > various > > > > > houses> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a > > > discussion > > > > > on> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain in > > > > > decisions,> > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, > > > happiness, > > > > > good> > > > > > > > habits,> > > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds > of > > > wealth, > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > wives,> > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy > > mother > > > with> > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, beauty > > and > > > good> > > > > > > > qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from > > > children, > > > > > loss> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and > > authorities.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by > malefics) > > > > > trouble> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a > > > malefic) his> > > > > > > wife> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), > he > > > will> > > > > > > become> > > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will be > > > detached> > > > > > > > towards his> > > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It is > > > possible> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor man) > or > > > also > > > > > that> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of > knowledge, > > > > > troubled> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery > and > > so > > > on,> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > > angry.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, > devotee > > of > > > > > Vishnu,> > > > > > > > > master of> > > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife > and > > > > > children.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and people > in > > > power> > > > > > > (the> > > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a government > > > servant,> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > > popular.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, > good> > > > > > > popularity> > > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), good > > > > > qualities,> > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > wives.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant without > > > reason,> > > > > > > angry> > > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in 12th > > and > > > if > > > > > no> > > > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)> > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > manju> > > > > > > > chawla> > > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this way.You > > are > > > > > really> > > > > > > > > helping us> > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > manju> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the > > > subject "What> > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various > houses?" -> > > > > let > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with actual > > > results.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence with> > > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach > for,Perfection > > is > > > > > God's> > > > > > > > > business---> > > > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Dear RK ji, ==> > Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. <== Yes - the complete list is - • For 1st, 1st (1st from 1st) is very important • For 2nd, 3rd (2nd from 2nd) is very important • For 3rd, 5th (3rd from 3rd) is very important • For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important • For 5th, 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important • For 6th, 11th (6th from 6th) is very important • For 7th, 1st (7th from 7th ) is very important • For 8th, 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important • For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important • For 10th, 7th (10th from 10th ) is very important • For 11th, 9th (11th from 11th ) is very important • For 12th, 11th (12th from 12th ) is very important [Note that All the odd houses - 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th & 11 th are gaining double importance in this list] ==> It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5 houses away from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6 houses away from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another to move 7 houses from 7th and read the same from there. <== The point is " It is NOT reading the SAME, but reading the DETAILS " . The paired house (given above) has MAXIMUM INFLUENCE on DETAILS concerning that prime significance. It is the confusion regarding the 'Same' that causes you to argue on the above lines. Ofcouse 11th can gives us much details in 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta'; But please don't confuce it with 'Bhava Chinta' where 6th only signifies enemy and NOT 11th. 'Bhava Chinta' and 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta' are two methods/thought-tools. ==> > The 1st and 11th where individuals (relatives) are concerned remain irrefragable, because reiteration will cause chaos. <== In astrology instead of compartmentalization and classification, holistic approach and integration gains importance at the end. The ppl gets struck up in the first method term the second as chaos. The astrologer is 'Ooha-Apoha Patu' meaning - 1. First he uses analytical/classification methods to derive prime results. (This is termed 'Ooha'; This is the analytical approach). For example. some malefic influence in 4th, then he knows that something bad should be predicted derived for mother. 2. Second, he uses the holistic/integration approach to confirm and derive details (secondary results). (This is termed 'Apoha'; This is holistic approach). For example, Some influence on 4th from 4th, Something about Mo, some other combinations in chart indicate something related to Mother; In essence a multitude of houses and planets start speaking about the mother! The astrologer see this, the conclusion is being drawn by his consciousness (No, he is NOT doing it, but rather he REFLECTS it; even though his total understanding about methodologies becomes the fuel, the fire is the integrated nature of consciousness itself). Yah, this second face will feel like chaos to those who strictly stick to the fragmented first approach alone. Astrology gives equal importance to both these strategies Analytical & Holistic (Ooha & Apoha). It is not that Analytical is more important or that Holistic is more important; Both of them are equally important. Analytical approach is the base (because of the fragmented nature of human mind) and Holistic approach is the culmination (because of the integrated nature of the consciousness). I don't know to what extend I have succeeded in conveying the idea, I want to convey. Yes, this though process is part of 'Bhava Chinta' and 'Bhavat Bhava' chinta as well. In a way you can consider 'Bhava Chinta' as part of analytical, and 'Bhava Bhava Chinta' as part of holistic providing details. As a whole together they reflect the whole. ==> > I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b. from actual charts, at a later stage. <== Yes, we have to and we will. Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Yes, Sreenadh, > > Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. But, and this is a 'nice' but, my contention is: not lock stock and barrel. Particularly where relatives are concerned we better leave the incompatible signifcations out of the reiteration in these house-pairs. It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5 houses away from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6 houses away from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another to move 7 houses from 7th and read the same from there. Our derivations would then be: 7th is spouse, 1st is spouse, not self. And one's father's co-borns would be one's enemies. > > The 1st and 11th where inidviduals (relatives) are concerned remain irrefragable, because reiteration will cause choas. > > Reminds me of a similar rule in arudha determination. When the lord of a house is 7 houses away from that house, you know the arudha does not move 7 house away from the lord's position. > > I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b. from actual charts, at a later stage. > > Your turn. > RK > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear RK ji, > 1) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 4th & 7th (4th from 4th): > harms mother > In similar lines - > 2) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 3rd & 5th (3rd from 3rd): > harms younger co-born (brother or sister) > Yes, BB is one of the major rules in operation here that helps us > draw this conclusion. I don't any confusion is involved in it. This > is a rule applicable everywhere. You should not that out of all the > 12 houses from any house, well being of the house with the same > number gains maximum importance. For example – > · For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important > · For 5th , 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important > · For 7th, Lagna (7th from 7th ) is very important > · For 8th , 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important > · For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important and so on. > > Proceed with your argument and clarification. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , rk dash > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > Yesterday I said, another day. > > > > Malefic afflication simultanously of 4th & 7th harms mother. And > you say that is due to b.b., not anything else. Fine. Now tell me > whether affliction of 3rd as well as 5th will persuade us to read an > affliction of two co-born houses -- namely, 3rd and 3rd from 3rd, > which is 5th? > > Would you read extended 3rd-ness (the extended theme of sibling) > from 5th? > > Promising to relieve you of the double jeopardy. > > > > RK > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear Sairam ji, > > Good Morning. You are right. > > Houses (Bhava) - are directly related to Native - Prime > significance. > > House to House - are directly related to House and indirectly to > > native - Secondary significance; Details of items indicated by > > Primary significance. > > > > Eg _1: > > 4th : Mother. > > Houses from 4th house: Details of Mother. > > > > Eg _2: > > 4th : Native House. > > Houses from 4th house: Details of Native House. > > > > Eg _3: > > 2th : Face. > > Houses from 2th house: Details of Face. > > > > Yes, 'Bhavat Bhavam' is one of the straight forward, well known, > > fundamental rule used for result derivation. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , sairam nat > > <sairaman53@> wrote: > > > > > > Sairaman > > > > > > goodmorning all members > > > > > > re garding bhavathvam i have something to ay > > > > > > > > > there aretwo divisions in astrology like a coin 2 sides > > > > > > one that isdirectly connected to lagna like education sickness > > accidents etc > > > > > > we cannot a proxy for our thirst sleep for job education etc > unless > > we go to job personally work there we cannot salary > > > > > > a vechicle money property may owned by any enjoyed by others > > > > > > the lagna sufferes any thing connected to 8and 12th houswe of > lagna > > rest ofthe bhavas from the bhavams do not much affect the native as > > such for eg > > > > > > if 10th lord in 5th it is 8th of 10th it is no away affects the > > native as the 5th 9th etc are verygood bhava for the native from > the > > lagna whever lagna suffers the native suffers > > > > > > so connecting each bhava to other may not affect the > lagnathipathi > > the native is not affected much > > > > > > education sleep enjoyment happniness the state of mind thirst > > hunger etc etc all the individual 3enjoys cannot be transfered to > > others > > > > > > i have my 10th lord saturn in my 5th house i have much worrying > > many years back after experience i have come to conclusion it never > > affected me i have good job well respected by boss going well for > > past 34 years with some good changes for betterment well > experienced > > in so many different fields in job i am so happy as the 5th house > is > > houe of poorvapunya all my big bosses so intimately personally > > attached to me with good affection and love > > > > > > bhavath bhavam is a very good concept however while expecting > > results as such > > > > > > > > > > > > thank y all with my wishes and regards > > > > > > rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > Dear Sunil, Lalit Saab, Sreenadh and friends, > > > > > > My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has its > > ambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the ambit, > > the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being 12th > from > > 5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away > from > > 5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing untoward > > happens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My personal > > experience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I have > > come across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. Yes, > > in the former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or one > > of them) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I > know > > of at least one such chart. > > > > > > So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds not? > > We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation. > > > > > > Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken care of the goof > > that 7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to how to > > reconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo it > > reduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not all > of > > them. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as > asset, > > etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) cannot > > clash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- that > > which confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is > PRIMARILY > > & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' > > reduplication drops off. > > > > > > We'll try to be lively but unerring. > > > RK > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > > It is inside the folder named " Sreenadh " . But I am yet to upload > > the > > > updated file, I will try to do it by today evening. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh. > > > > > > > > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me > in > > > what > > > > folder this pdf is there. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > > > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this > doubt > > > in > > > > > detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various > > > > houses.pdf " > > > > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it > > here. I > > > > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening > > > itself. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this - > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being > > > 12'th > > > > to > > > > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i > > > think > > > > is > > > > > > not true. > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from > > > 11'th, > > > > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil > nair " > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both > > > > dustana > > > > > > and > > > > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of > free > > > will > > > > u > > > > > > can > > > > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also > > > known > > > > as > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya > > > gives > > > > good > > > > > > > results . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba > > > > where > > > > > > one > > > > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according > to > > > > prashna > > > > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of > > > > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out > side > > > > world > > > > > > also > > > > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th > > > from > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house > > > > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even > > our > > > > elder > > > > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure > and > > > > loses > > > > > > and > > > > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a > > great > > > > say in > > > > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics > > of > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a > > > good > > > > try > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from > > > some > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes > > > n'th > > > > from > > > > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to > > > > understand > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd > is > > > an > > > > > > upachaya > > > > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, > > Bhoga > > > > trikona > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk dash > > > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj > > > > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your > PDF > > > > file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course > pour > > > in. > > > > But > > > > > > > > we have to > > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > > L1 > > > in > > > > a > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " > > is > > > > this. > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that > as > > > > yet), we > > > > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular > > experience > > > > > > emanating > > > > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya > > phala > > > of > > > > a > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation > in > > > > slokas. > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in > a > > > > chart. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some > > loud > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of > > your > > > > logic > > > > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The > result > > of > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from > > 2nd, > > > ie > > > > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a > > > > rationale. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the > > 4th > > > > hse > > > > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, > applying > > > your > > > > > > well- > > > > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the > > > > goodness > > > > > > of) > > > > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed > on 'sustained > > > > topics' > > > > > > > > in a more organised fashion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as > > if > > > > solely > > > > > > > > > based on " Houses " alone. > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. > > But > > > we > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > > L1 > > > in > > > > a > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > > You > > > > agree? > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as > > > > Planet/lords > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided. > > > > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - > > and > > > so > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > is discarded. > > > > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based > > > > derivation - > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > so the same is discarded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on > > houses, > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can > proceed > > > with > > > > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those > > derivations... > > > > > > > > > Love and Hugs, > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk > dash > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the > > > > compedium. > > > > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take > > time > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > what is meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1st house > > > > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd hse > > > > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the > > locality, > > > > life > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > plenty, corpulent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd hse > > > > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th hse > > > > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could > also > > > > > > mean 'very > > > > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), > > earns > > > > by > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th hse > > > > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, > > > known > > > > his > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > good qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th hse > > > > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, > subdues > > > > > > enemies, on > > > > > > > > > the side of good deeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th hse > > > > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends > > himself > > > > fast > > > > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th hse > > > > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long- > > > > lived, > > > > > > harsh > > > > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique > if > > a > > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th hse > > > > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced > > > (without > > > > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, > brilliant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th hse > > > > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, > reverent > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th hse > > > > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during > > > > coitus, > > > > > > > > > powerful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th hse > > > > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free > > > loader > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. > > But > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- > > from > > > L1 > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > > You > > > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates > > the > > > > best > > > > > > > > (best > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a > > > classic > > > > to > > > > > > be) > > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going > to > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > houses) > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by > that > > > book > > > > > > > > for " lagna > > > > > > > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much > > > > beneficial > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used > > > behind > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those > > > > derivations; > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > usual > > > > > > > > > > based on conditions such as - > > > > > > > > > > * logical or not > > > > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the > > > > Sanskrit > > > > > > > > > original > > > > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations > are > > > > logical, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience. > > > > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff. > > > > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think > > indicate > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > be valuable material. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk > > dash > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one > of > > > the > > > > 7- > > > > > > fold > > > > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source > > must > > > > be > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates > the > > > best > > > > > > (best > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a > classic > > > to > > > > be) > > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going > to > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the > > portion > > > > nor is > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other > > portions > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very > > > > insightful > > > > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we > > take > > > on > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, > and > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. > > > > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall > > > reputation > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > text. > > > > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of > > > > > > > > interpretation > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be > > > rated > > > > very > > > > > > > > high. > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > > say? > > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies > or > > > > > > classics? > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. > > Apart > > > > from > > > > > > > > > Parasara > > > > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are > > > available > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same in > > > > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses > it. > > > The > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost > > > > importance in > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > Ratna > > > > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions > > of > > > the > > > > > > slokas > > > > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja > > > > hora). > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the > > > auther > > > > of > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar > of > > > 17th > > > > > > > > century. > > > > > > > > > Thus - > > > > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since > > supported > > > > by > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > Ratna. > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since > > supported > > > > by > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > Sara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed > > the > > > > same at > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > search for > > > > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, > Jataka > > > > > > Parijata, > > > > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two > rudimentary > > > > slokas > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some > > > slokas > > > > > > > > relevant > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas > > > > (Whereever > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But > > for > > > > sure > > > > > > none > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora > > > > Pradeepam) > > > > > > > > > discusses > > > > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my > > current > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi > > horas) > > > are > > > > > > > > > concerned it > > > > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this > > subject > > > > > > > > extensively > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same > > > (since > > > > they > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > 7- > > > > > > > > > fold > > > > > > > > > > > method). > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > rk > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. > > That's > > > > what > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is > > > > about. > > > > > > That's > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, > > > > winkling the > > > > > > > > > secrets > > > > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next > > to > > > > > > Parasara we > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: > > > Meenaraja > > > > > > Hora, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the > > > overall > > > > > > > > > reputation of > > > > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the > > > > aspect of > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may > > not > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say? > > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies > or > > > > > > classics? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be > > > > cynosures > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. > > > Onlookers > > > > all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as > far > > > as > > > > LL > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > to H-7 > > > > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if > LL > > > is a > > > > > > > > malefic' > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we > > cannot > > > > > > discount > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > as far > > > > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in > > the > > > > sloka > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we > > > would > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree > > > > absolutely > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > logic and argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there > > > could > > > > be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS > > results) > > > > even > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you > > have > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > stated, > > > > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD > > > > > > BE ''susuta' > > > > > > > > > (good > > > > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this > > > doubt > > > > open > > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations > > given > > > > in > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > texts and > > > > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check > the > > > > results > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context- > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the > predictions > > > > given in > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora > Pradeepam) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual > > > results > > > > > > observed. > > > > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is - > > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > the 'ruling' > > > > is: > > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors > clearly > > > > > > discounted. > > > > > > > > > Clear? > > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is - > > > > > > > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be > > > > considered, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL > > being > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly > discounted " > > > > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with > > corollaries, > > > > ONLY > > > > > > WHEN > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka > > itself; > > > > just > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your > > > > statement > > > > > > > > > completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > rk > > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 > > being > > > a > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those > > > outcomes > > > > of > > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > > going to > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, > uninterested > > in > > > > > > life/wife > > > > > > > > > etc). If > > > > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, > > > > > > saying " where > > > > > > > > L- > > > > > > > > > 5 (or > > > > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > the 'ruling' > > > > is: > > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > > > discounted. > > > > > > > > > Clear? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on, > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > Let > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on > > our > > > > logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the > > good > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > such as > > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, > > emotional > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this > > > > account > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house > > signify > > > > second > > > > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any > > > house > > > > the > > > > > > > > > native is > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. > Lagna > > > lord > > > > in > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked > by > > > > women > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > Thus it > > > > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many > > > relations > > > > > > > > (wives). > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, > > and > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - > > NOT > > > as > > > > a > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > result, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native > > will > > > > have > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is > a > > > house > > > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > > > is of > > > > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many > > > results. > > > > > > That is > > > > > > > > > why the > > > > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from > > 2nd - > > > > many > > > > > > > > kinds > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that > it > > > > could be > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > bhavat > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in > this > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it > > can > > > > affect > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double > > impact. > > > > That > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - > 5th > > > > signify > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > child > > > > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates > > a > > > bit > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the > > possibility > > > > > > of 'double > > > > > > > > > > impact' i > > > > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we > > will > > > > > > verify) > > > > > > > > > gain of > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child > > > > should be > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > for it > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the > derivations > > > > > > consistent) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life > and > > > wife > > > > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. > > > > Therefore > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > logically ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > rk > > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical > > > > consideration > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > we test > > > > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a > small > > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala > > in > > > > BHPH. > > > > > > I'll > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) > > > which > > > > are > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > self- > > > > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 > wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, > given > > > the > > > > first > > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the > department > > > > > > represented > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the > sweeping > > > good > > > > that > > > > > > > > > lagna lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its > > > placement > > > > in > > > > > > 5th. > > > > > > > > > Why loss > > > > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works > > > declare, 'susuta', > > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage > > for > > > > all > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > tenancy > > > > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud > about. > > > > Rule > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > that any > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring > > detriment > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > house the > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile > the > > L1 > > > > in > > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > > ensuring > > > > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the > attrition > > > of > > > > body > > > > > > > > (12th > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being > subject > > to > > > > > > > > detriment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in > > > various > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a > > > > discussion > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain > in > > > > > > decisions, > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, > > > > happiness, > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > habits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds > > of > > > > wealth, > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > wives, > > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy > > > mother > > > > with > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, > beauty > > > and > > > > good > > > > > > > > > qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from > > > > children, > > > > > > loss > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and > > > authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by > > malefics) > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a > > > > malefic) his > > > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), > > he > > > > will > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will > be > > > > detached > > > > > > > > > towards his > > > > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It > is > > > > possible > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor > man) > > or > > > > also > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of > > knowledge, > > > > > > troubled > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be > > > > > > interested in > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > kinds > > > > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery > > and > > > so > > > > on, > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, > > devotee > > > of > > > > > > Vishnu, > > > > > > > > > > master of > > > > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife > > and > > > > > > children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and > people > > in > > > > power > > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a > government > > > > servant, > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > popular. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, > > good > > > > > > > > popularity > > > > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), > good > > > > > > qualities, > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > wives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant > without > > > > reason, > > > > > > > > angry > > > > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in > 12th > > > and > > > > if > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , > > > > manju > > > > > > > > > chawla > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this > way.You > > > are > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > helping us > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the > > > > subject " What > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various > > houses? " - > > > > > > > let > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with > actual > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach > > for,Perfection > > > is > > > > > > God's > > > > > > > > > > business--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Sreenadh, This is the level we have to keep to if we want to achieve anything at this forum. Your clarification is headed right, but I must persist. Tell me what is it of the 7th house that we must look for in the 1st (7th from 7th)? Is it dyuna? Or kaLatra? And I won't buy any argument that from 7th a planet aspects 1st, therefore... 2ndly, what happens to 6th from 6th? Take the 'enemy' bit. Do we again gather clue to one's enemy in bhavat bhavam of 6th? Or do we drop b.b and move to real life rule? Or, say that one's enemy's enemy is one's friend, therefore declare 11th as standing for 'friend', by overriding b.b.? Tell me. RK Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,==>> Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. <==Yes - the complete list is -• For 1st, 1st (1st from 1st) is very important• For 2nd, 3rd (2nd from 2nd) is very important• For 3rd, 5th (3rd from 3rd) is very important• For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important• For 5th, 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important• For 6th, 11th (6th from 6th) is very important• For 7th, 1st (7th from 7th ) is very important• For 8th, 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important• For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important • For 10th, 7th (10th from 10th ) is very important • For 11th, 9th (11th from 11th ) is very important • For 12th, 11th (12th from 12th ) is very important [Note that All the odd houses - 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th & 11 th aregaining double importance in this list]==>It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5 houses awayfrom 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6 houses awayfrom 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another to move 7houses from 7th and read the same from there. <==The point is "It is NOT reading the SAME, but reading the DETAILS".The paired house (given above) has MAXIMUM INFLUENCE on DETAILSconcerning that prime significance. It is the confusion regarding the'Same' that causes you to argue on the above lines. Ofcouse 11th can gives us much details in 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta'; Butplease don't confuce it with 'Bhava Chinta' where 6th only signifiesenemy and NOT 11th. 'Bhava Chinta' and 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta' are twomethods/thought-tools.==>> The 1st and 11th where individuals (relatives) are concerned remainirrefragable, because reiteration will cause chaos.<== In astrology instead of compartmentalization and classification,holistic approach and integration gains importance at the end. Theppl gets struck up in the first method term the second as chaos. Theastrologer is 'Ooha-Apoha Patu' meaning -1. First he uses analytical/classification methods to derive primeresults. (This is termed 'Ooha'; This is the analytical approach). Forexample. some malefic influence in 4th, then he knows that somethingbad should be predicted derived for mother.2. Second, he uses the holistic/integration approach to confirm andderive details (secondary results). (This is termed 'Apoha'; This isholistic approach). For example, Some influence on 4th from 4th,Something about Mo, some other combinations in chart indicatesomething related to Mother; In essence a multitude of houses andplanets start speaking about the mother! The astrologer see this, theconclusion is being drawn by his consciousness (No, he is NOT doingit, but rather he REFLECTS it; even though his total understandingabout methodologies becomes the fuel, the fire is the integratednature of consciousness itself). Yah, this second face will feel likechaos to those who strictly stick to the fragmented first approach alone.Astrology gives equal importance to both these strategies Analytical & Holistic (Ooha & Apoha). It is not that Analytical is more importantor that Holistic is more important; Both of them are equallyimportant. Analytical approach is the base (because of the fragmentednature of human mind) and Holistic approach is the culmination(because of the integrated nature of the consciousness). I don't know to what extend I have succeeded in conveying the idea, Iwant to convey. Yes, this though process is part of 'Bhava Chinta' and'Bhavat Bhava' chinta as well. In a way you can consider 'BhavaChinta' as part of analytical, and 'Bhava Bhava Chinta' as part ofholistic providing details. As a whole together they reflect the whole. ==>> I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b.from actual charts, at a later stage. <==Yes, we have to and we will. Love and Hugs,Sreenadh , rk dash<arkaydash wrote:>> Yes, Sreenadh,> > Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. But, andthis is a 'nice' but, my contention is: not lock stock and barrel.Particularly where relatives are concerned we better leave theincompatible signifcations out of the reiteration in thesehouse-pairs. It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5houses away from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6houses away from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another tomove 7 houses from 7th and read the same from there. Our derivationswould then be: 7th is spouse, 1st is spouse, not self. And one'sfather's co-borns would be one's enemies.> > The 1st and 11th where inidviduals (relatives) are concerned remainirrefragable, because reiteration will cause choas.> > Reminds me of a similar rule in arudha determination. When thelord of a house is 7 houses away from that house, you know the arudhadoes not move 7 house away from the lord's position. > > I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b.from actual charts, at a later stage. > > Your turn.> RK> > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> Dear RK ji,> 1) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 4th & 7th (4th from 4th): > harms mother> In similar lines -> 2) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 3rd & 5th (3rd from 3rd): > harms younger co-born (brother or sister)> Yes, BB is one of the major rules in operation here that helps us > draw this conclusion. I don't any confusion is involved in it. This > is a rule applicable everywhere. You should not that out of all the > 12 houses from any house, well being of the house with the same > number gains maximum importance. For example –> · For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important> · For 5th , 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important> · For 7th, Lagna (7th from 7th ) is very important> · For 8th , 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important> · For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important and so on. > > Proceed with your argument and clarification. > Love,> Sreenadh> > --- In , rk dash > <arkaydash@> wrote:> >> > Sreenadh,> > > > Yesterday I said, another day.> > > > Malefic afflication simultanously of 4th & 7th harms mother. And > you say that is due to b.b., not anything else. Fine. Now tell me > whether affliction of 3rd as well as 5th will persuade us to read an > affliction of two co-born houses -- namely, 3rd and 3rd from 3rd, > which is 5th?> > Would you read extended 3rd-ness (the extended theme of sibling) > from 5th? > > Promising to relieve you of the double jeopardy.> > > > RK> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear Sairam ji,> > Good Morning. You are right.> > Houses (Bhava) - are directly related to Native - Prime > significance.> > House to House - are directly related to House and indirectly to > > native - Secondary significance; Details of items indicated by > > Primary significance.> > > > Eg _1: > > 4th : Mother.> > Houses from 4th house: Details of Mother.> > > > Eg _2: > > 4th : Native House.> > Houses from 4th house: Details of Native House.> > > > Eg _3: > > 2th : Face.> > Houses from 2th house: Details of Face.> > > > Yes, 'Bhavat Bhavam' is one of the straight forward, well known, > > fundamental rule used for result derivation. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , sairam nat > > <sairaman53@> wrote:> > >> > > Sairaman > > > > > > goodmorning all members> > > > > > re garding bhavathvam i have something to ay> > > > > > > > > there aretwo divisions in astrology like a coin 2 sides> > > > > > one that isdirectly connected to lagna like education sickness > > accidents etc > > > > > > we cannot a proxy for our thirst sleep for job education etc > unless > > we go to job personally work there we cannot salary> > > > > > a vechicle money property may owned by any enjoyed by others> > > > > > the lagna sufferes any thing connected to 8and 12th houswe of > lagna > > rest ofthe bhavas from the bhavams do not much affect the native as > > such for eg> > > > > > if 10th lord in 5th it is 8th of 10th it is no away affects the > > native as the 5th 9th etc are verygood bhava for the native from > the > > lagna whever lagna suffers the native suffers > > > > > > so connecting each bhava to other may not affect the > lagnathipathi > > the native is not affected much > > > > > > education sleep enjoyment happniness the state of mind thirst > > hunger etc etc all the individual 3enjoys cannot be transfered to > > others> > > > > > i have my 10th lord saturn in my 5th house i have much worrying > > many years back after experience i have come to conclusion it never > > affected me i have good job well respected by boss going well for > > past 34 years with some good changes for betterment well > experienced > > in so many different fields in job i am so happy as the 5th house > is > > houe of poorvapunya all my big bosses so intimately personally > > attached to me with good affection and love > > > > > > bhavath bhavam is a very good concept however while expecting > > results as such > > > > > > > > > > > > thank y all with my wishes and regards> > > > > > rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > Dear Sunil, Lalit Saab, Sreenadh and friends,> > > > > > My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has its > > ambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the ambit, > > the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being 12th > from > > 5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away > from > > 5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing untoward > > happens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My personal > > experience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I have > > come across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. Yes, > > in the former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or one > > of them) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I > know > > of at least one such chart. > > > > > > So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds not? > > We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation.> > > > > > Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken care of the goof > > that 7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to how to > > reconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo it > > reduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not all > of > > them. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as > asset, > > etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) cannot > > clash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- that > > which confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is > PRIMARILY > > & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' > > reduplication drops off.> > > > > > We'll try to be lively but unerring.> > > RK> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > Dear Lalit ji,> > > It is inside the folder named "Sreenadh". But I am yet to upload > > the > > > updated file, I will try to do it by today evening.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , "litsol" > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Srinadh.> > > > > > > > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me > in > > > what > > > > folder this pdf is there.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,> > > > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this > doubt > > > in> > > > > detail in my modified document on "Lagna lord in various > > > > houses.pdf"> > > > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it > > here. I> > > > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening > > > itself. > > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > , "litsol"> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this - > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being > > > 12'th > > > > to > > > > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i > > > think > > > > is > > > > > > not true.> > > > > > > > > > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from > > > 11'th, > > > > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.> > > > > > > > > > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil > nair" > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both > > > > dustana > > > > > > and> > > > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of > free > > > will > > > > u > > > > > > can> > > > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also > > > known > > > > as > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya > > > gives > > > > good> > > > > > > results .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba > > > > where > > > > > > one> > > > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according > to > > > > prashna> > > > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of> > > > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out > side > > > > world > > > > > > also> > > > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th > > > from > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house> > > > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even > > our > > > > elder> > > > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure > and > > > > loses > > > > > > and> > > > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a > > great > > > > say in> > > > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics > > of > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "litsol"> > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a > > > good > > > > try > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from > > > some > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes > > > n'th > > > > from> > > > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to > > > > understand > > > > > > basic> > > > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd > is > > > an > > > > > > upachaya> > > > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, > > Bhoga > > > > trikona> > > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj> > > > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your > PDF > > > > file.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What I meant when I said: "Examples will of course > pour > > > in. > > > > But> > > > > > > > we have to> > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > > L1 > > > in > > > > a> > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration" > > is > > > > this. > > > > > > When> > > > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that > as > > > > yet), we> > > > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular > > experience > > > > > > emanating> > > > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya > > phala > > > of > > > > a > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation > in > > > > slokas. > > > > > > We> > > > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in > a > > > > chart. > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some > > loud > > > > > > thinking> > > > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of > > your > > > > logic> > > > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The > result > > of > > > > wealth> > > > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from > > 2nd, > > > ie> > > > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a > > > > rationale. > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the > > 4th > > > > hse> > > > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, > applying > > > your > > > > > > well-> > > > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the > > > > goodness > > > > > > of)> > > > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed > on 'sustained > > > > topics'> > > > > > > > in a more organised fashion...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as > > if > > > > solely> > > > > > > > > based on "Houses" alone.> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. > > But > > > we > > > > > > have to> > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > > L1 > > > in > > > > a> > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > > You > > > > agree?> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as > > > > Planet/lords > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.> > > > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - > > and > > > so > > > > the> > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > is discarded.> > > > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based > > > > derivation - > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > so the same is discarded.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on > > houses, > > > > and so> > > > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can > proceed > > > with> > > > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those > > derivations... > > > > > > > > > Love and Hugs,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , rk > dash> > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Shreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the > > > > compedium.> > > > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take > > time > > > > to > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > > what is meant.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In 1st house> > > > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2nd hse> > > > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the > > locality, > > > > life > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > plenty, corpulent> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3rd hse> > > > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, > > strong> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 4th hse> > > > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could > also > > > > > > mean 'very> > > > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), > > earns > > > > by > > > > > > right> > > > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th hse> > > > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, > > > known > > > > his > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > good qualities> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6th hse> > > > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, > subdues > > > > > > enemies, on> > > > > > > > > the side of good deeds> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 7th hse> > > > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends > > himself > > > > fast> > > > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 8th hse> > > > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-> > > > lived, > > > > > > harsh> > > > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique > if > > a > > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 9th hse> > > > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced > > > (without> > > > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, > brilliant> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 10th hse> > > > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, > reverent > > > > towards> > > > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 11th hse> > > > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during > > > > coitus,> > > > > > > > > powerful> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 12th hse> > > > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free > > > loader> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. > > But > > > > we > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- > > from > > > L1 > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > > You > > > > agree?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates > > the > > > > best> > > > > > > > (best> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a > > > classic > > > > to > > > > > > be)> > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going > to > > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > houses)> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by > that > > > book> > > > > > > > for "lagna> > > > > > > > > > lord going to various houses"? That could be much > > > > beneficial > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used > > > behind > > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those > > > > derivations; > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > usual> > > > > > > > > > based on conditions such as -> > > > > > > > > > * logical or not> > > > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not> > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > original> > > > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations > are > > > > logical, > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience.> > > > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.> > > > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think > > indicate > > > > that > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > be valuable material.> > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , rk > > dash> > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one > of > > > the > > > > 7-> > > > > > fold> > > > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source > > must > > > > be > > > > > > kept> > > > > > > > on.> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates > the > > > best > > > > > > (best> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a > classic > > > to > > > > be)> > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going > to > > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the > > portion > > > > nor is> > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other > > portions > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very > > > > insightful> > > > > > > > stuff.> > > > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's > see.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we > > take > > > on > > > > > > board> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, > and > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > Pradeepam.> > > > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall > > > reputation > > > > of > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > text.> > > > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of> > > > > > > > interpretation> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be > > > rated > > > > very> > > > > > > > high.> > > > > > > > > What> > > > > > > > > > > say?> > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies > or > > > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. > > Apart > > > > from> > > > > > > > > Parasara> > > > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are > > > available > > > > for > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > same in> > > > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses > it. > > > The> > > > > > > > statements> > > > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost > > > > importance in> > > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > Ratna> > > > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions > > of > > > the > > > > > > slokas> > > > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja > > > > hora). > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the > > > auther > > > > of > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > Sara> > > > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar > of > > > 17th> > > > > > > > century.> > > > > > > > > Thus -> > > > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since > > supported > > > > by > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > Ratna.> > > > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since > > supported > > > > by > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > Sara.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed > > the > > > > same at> > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > > > search for> > > > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, > Jataka > > > > > > Parijata,> > > > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two > rudimentary > > > > slokas> > > > > > > > related> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some > > > slokas> > > > > > > > relevant> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas > > > > (Whereever > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But > > for > > > > sure > > > > > > none> > > > > > > > > of the> > > > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora > > > > Pradeepam)> > > > > > > > > discusses> > > > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my > > current > > > > > > knowledge> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi > > horas) > > > are> > > > > > > > > concerned it> > > > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this > > subject> > > > > > > > extensively> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same > > > (since > > > > they > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > 7-> > > > > > > > > fold> > > > > > > > > > > method).> > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , > rk > > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the "pure" point. > > That's > > > > what > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is > > > > about. > > > > > > That's> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, > > > > winkling the> > > > > > > > > secrets> > > > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next > > to > > > > > > Parasara we> > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: > > > Meenaraja > > > > > > Hora,> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the > > > overall> > > > > > > > > reputation of> > > > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the > > > > aspect of> > > > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may > > not > > > > > > otherwise> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say?> > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies > or > > > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be > > > > cynosures > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > (the> > > > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. > > > Onlookers > > > > all?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as > far > > > as > > > > LL > > > > > > going> > > > > > > > > to H-7> > > > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if > LL > > > is a> > > > > > > > malefic'> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we > > cannot > > > > > > discount> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > as far> > > > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in > > the > > > > sloka > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > concerned.> > > > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we > > > would > > > > > > discuss> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree > > > > absolutely > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > logic and argument.> > > > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there > > > could > > > > be > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS > > results) > > > > even> > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you > > have > > > > > > clearly> > > > > > > > > stated,> > > > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD > > > > > > BE ''susuta'> > > > > > > > > (good> > > > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this > > > doubt > > > > open> > > > > > > > till> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations > > given > > > > in > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > texts and> > > > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.> > > > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check > the > > > > results> > > > > > > > > predicted> > > > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the > predictions > > > > given in> > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora > Pradeepam)> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual > > > results > > > > > > observed.> > > > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -> > > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > the 'ruling' > > > > is: > > > > > > L-1> > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors > clearly > > > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -> > > > > > > > > > > > "LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be > > > > considered, > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL > > being > > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly > discounted"> > > > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with > > corollaries, > > > > ONLY > > > > > > WHEN> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka > > itself; > > > > just > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your > > > > statement> > > > > > > > > completely.> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > rk > > > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 > > being > > > a > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those > > > outcomes > > > > of > > > > > > L-1> > > > > > > > > going to> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, > uninterested > > in > > > > > > life/wife> > > > > > > > > etc). If> > > > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, > > > > > > saying "where> > > > > > > > L-> > > > > > > > > 5 (or> > > > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted".> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > the 'ruling' > > > > is: > > > > > > L-1> > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,> > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > Let> > > > > > > > us> > > > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on > > our > > > > logic.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the > > good > > > > > > qualities> > > > > > > > > such as> > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, > > emotional > > > > > > approach> > > > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this > > > > account > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > logical> > > > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house > > signify > > > > second> > > > > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any > > > house > > > > the> > > > > > > > > native is> > > > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. > Lagna > > > lord > > > > in > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked > by > > > > women > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > Thus it> > > > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many > > > relations> > > > > > > > (wives).> > > > > > > > > It> > > > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, > > and > > > > lagna> > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - > > NOT > > > as > > > > a > > > > > > bad> > > > > > > > > > result, but> > > > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native > > will > > > > have > > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > > kind of> > > > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is > a > > > house> > > > > > > > usually> > > > > > > > > is of> > > > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many > > > results. > > > > > > That is> > > > > > > > > why the> > > > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from > > 2nd - > > > > many> > > > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that > it > > > > could be > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > bhavat> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in > this > > > > regard.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust> > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it > > can > > > > affect> > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double > > impact. > > > > That > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - > 5th > > > > signify > > > > > > 1st> > > > > > > > > child> > > > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates > > a > > > bit > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the > > possibility > > > > > > of 'double> > > > > > > > > > impact' i> > > > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we > > will > > > > > > verify)> > > > > > > > > gain of> > > > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child > > > > should be> > > > > > > > born> > > > > > > > > for it> > > > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the > derivations > > > > > > consistent)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life > and > > > wife> > > > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. > > > > Therefore > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > logically ok.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health> > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > rk > > > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical > > > > consideration > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > we test> > > > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a > small > > > > > > beginning> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala > > in > > > > BHPH. > > > > > > I'll> > > > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) > > > which > > > > are > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > self-> > > > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 > wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lust> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good health> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, > given > > > the > > > > first> > > > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the > department > > > > > > represented> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the > sweeping > > > good > > > > that> > > > > > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its > > > placement > > > > in > > > > > > 5th.> > > > > > > > > Why loss> > > > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works > > > declare, 'susuta',> > > > > > > > meaning> > > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage > > for > > > > all > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > tenancy> > > > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud > about. > > > > Rule > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > that any> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring > > detriment > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > house the> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile > the > > L1 > > > > in > > > > > > 12th> > > > > > > > > ensuring> > > > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the > attrition > > > of > > > > body> > > > > > > > (12th> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being > subject > > to> > > > > > > > detriment?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in > > > various > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a > > > > discussion > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain > in > > > > > > decisions,> > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, > > > > happiness, > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > habits,> > > > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds > > of > > > > wealth, > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > wives,> > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy > > > mother > > > > with> > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, > beauty > > > and > > > > good> > > > > > > > > qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from > > > > children, > > > > > > loss> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and > > > authorities.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by > > malefics) > > > > > > trouble> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a > > > > malefic) his> > > > > > > > wife> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), > > he > > > > will> > > > > > > > become> > > > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will > be > > > > detached> > > > > > > > > towards his> > > > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It > is > > > > possible> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor > man) > > or > > > > also > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of > > knowledge, > > > > > > troubled> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery > > and > > > so > > > > on,> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > > > angry.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, > > devotee > > > of > > > > > > Vishnu,> > > > > > > > > > master of> > > > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife > > and > > > > > > children.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and > people > > in > > > > power> > > > > > > > (the> > > > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a > government > > > > servant,> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > > > popular.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, > > good> > > > > > > > popularity> > > > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), > good > > > > > > qualities,> > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > wives.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant > without > > > > reason,> > > > > > > > angry> > > > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in > 12th > > > and > > > > if > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > manju> > > > > > > > > chawla> > > > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this > way.You > > > are > > > > > > really> > > > > > > > > > helping us> > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manju> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the > > > > subject "What> > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various > > houses?" -> > > > > > > let > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > > > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with > actual > > > > results.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach > > for,Perfection > > > is > > > > > > God's> > > > > > > > > > business---> > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check > out > > > > > > tonight's top> > > > > > > > > > picks on> > > > > > > > > > > > > TV.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as > you > > > > wish. > > > > > > Click> > > > > > > > > here to> > > > > > > > > > > > > know how.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you > > > wish. > > > > Click> > > > > > > > here> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > know how.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. > Click > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. > > > Click > > > > here > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > know how.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. > > Click > > > > here to> > > > > > > > know how.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at > > Games.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. 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Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Dear RK ji, ==> > Tell me what is it of the 7th house that we must look for in the 1st (7th from 7th)? Is it dyuna? Or kaLatra? <== 7th from 7th indicates the wife's approach towards her husband; 7th from 7th indicates whether she is satisfied with her married life; 7th form 7th indicates how beutiful her navel portion is - what is her attitude in sex is. In short 7th from 7th in the Husbands horoscope gives " the Wife's attitude towards many things " ; gives details of body of the " Wife " . Yes, it provides more details - without violating the prime significance of 7th from Lagna as native's wife. ==> > 2ndly, what happens to 6th from 6th? Take the 'enemy' bit. <== 6th from 6th indicates the enemies velour; how fears and adamant he is. The malefic or benefic nature of 6th from 6th indicates how blood thirst and cruel the enemy is. ==> Or do we drop b.b and move to real life rule? Or, say that one's enemy's enemy is one's friend, therefore declare 11th as standing for 'friend', by overriding b.b.? <== If you want to know, " who is Enemy's enemy? By befriending whom I will get benefited? " then you can think in those lines. But note that the same is NOT well supported by the texts since we are moving 3 steps away from the natal chart. That is - 1)6th is Enemy 2)(Go to 6th & look from there: Bhavat Bavam) 6th from 6th is enemy's enemy. 3) (Go to 6th from 6th, i.e. 11th; Look from there) Think about enemy's enemy. Note that up to the second step classic support is available, and on the third you are on your own - If many other clues support and if you have vaksidhi you may become right. But sages guided us only up to the second step - first, Bhava, and second, Bhavat Bhavam. Note: Comments welcome – by the way, RK ji, shouldn't we move on? Pls refer to the mail to Pradeep ji, lot of things pending.. Love, Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Sreenadh, > This is the level we have to keep to if we want to achieve anything at this forum. Your clarification is headed right, but I must persist. Tell me what is it of the 7th house that we must look for in the 1st (7th from 7th)? Is it dyuna? Or kaLatra? And I won't buy any argument that from 7th a planet aspects 1st, therefore... > > 2ndly, what happens to 6th from 6th? Take the 'enemy' bit. Do we again gather clue to one's enemy in bhavat bhavam of 6th? Or do we drop b.b and move to real life rule? Or, say that one's enemy's enemy is one's friend, therefore declare 11th as standing for 'friend', by overriding b.b.? Tell me. > > RK > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji, > ==> > > Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. > <== > Yes - the complete list is - > • For 1st, 1st (1st from 1st) is very important > • For 2nd, 3rd (2nd from 2nd) is very important > • For 3rd, 5th (3rd from 3rd) is very important > • For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important > • For 5th, 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important > • For 6th, 11th (6th from 6th) is very important > • For 7th, 1st (7th from 7th ) is very important > • For 8th, 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important > • For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important > • For 10th, 7th (10th from 10th ) is very important > • For 11th, 9th (11th from 11th ) is very important > • For 12th, 11th (12th from 12th ) is very important > > [Note that All the odd houses - 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th & 11 th are > gaining double importance in this list] > ==> > It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5 houses away > from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6 houses away > from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another to move 7 > houses from 7th and read the same from there. > <== > The point is " It is NOT reading the SAME, but reading the DETAILS " . > The paired house (given above) has MAXIMUM INFLUENCE on DETAILS > concerning that prime significance. It is the confusion regarding the > 'Same' that causes you to argue on the above lines. > Ofcouse 11th can gives us much details in 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta'; But > please don't confuce it with 'Bhava Chinta' where 6th only signifies > enemy and NOT 11th. 'Bhava Chinta' and 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta' are two > methods/thought-tools. > ==> > > The 1st and 11th where individuals (relatives) are concerned remain > irrefragable, because reiteration will cause chaos. > <== > In astrology instead of compartmentalization and classification, > holistic approach and integration gains importance at the end. The > ppl gets struck up in the first method term the second as chaos. The > astrologer is 'Ooha-Apoha Patu' meaning - > 1. First he uses analytical/classification methods to derive prime > results. (This is termed 'Ooha'; This is the analytical approach). For > example. some malefic influence in 4th, then he knows that something > bad should be predicted derived for mother. > 2. Second, he uses the holistic/integration approach to confirm and > derive details (secondary results). (This is termed 'Apoha'; This is > holistic approach). For example, Some influence on 4th from 4th, > Something about Mo, some other combinations in chart indicate > something related to Mother; In essence a multitude of houses and > planets start speaking about the mother! The astrologer see this, the > conclusion is being drawn by his consciousness (No, he is NOT doing > it, but rather he REFLECTS it; even though his total understanding > about methodologies becomes the fuel, the fire is the integrated > nature of consciousness itself). Yah, this second face will feel like > chaos to those who strictly stick to the fragmented first approach alone. > Astrology gives equal importance to both these strategies Analytical > & Holistic (Ooha & Apoha). It is not that Analytical is more important > or that Holistic is more important; Both of them are equally > important. Analytical approach is the base (because of the fragmented > nature of human mind) and Holistic approach is the culmination > (because of the integrated nature of the consciousness). > I don't know to what extend I have succeeded in conveying the idea, I > want to convey. Yes, this though process is part of 'Bhava Chinta' and > 'Bhavat Bhava' chinta as well. In a way you can consider 'Bhava > Chinta' as part of analytical, and 'Bhava Bhava Chinta' as part of > holistic providing details. As a whole together they reflect the whole. > ==> > > I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b. > from actual charts, at a later stage. > <== > Yes, we have to and we will. > Love and Hugs, > Sreenadh > > , rk dash > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Yes, Sreenadh, > > > > Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. But, and > this is a 'nice' but, my contention is: not lock stock and barrel. > Particularly where relatives are concerned we better leave the > incompatible signifcations out of the reiteration in these > house-pairs. It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5 > houses away from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6 > houses away from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another to > move 7 houses from 7th and read the same from there. Our derivations > would then be: 7th is spouse, 1st is spouse, not self. And one's > father's co-borns would be one's enemies. > > > > The 1st and 11th where inidviduals (relatives) are concerned remain > irrefragable, because reiteration will cause choas. > > > > Reminds me of a similar rule in arudha determination. When the > lord of a house is 7 houses away from that house, you know the arudha > does not move 7 house away from the lord's position. > > > > I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b. > from actual charts, at a later stage. > > > > Your turn. > > RK > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > Dear RK ji, > > 1) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 4th & 7th (4th from 4th): > > harms mother > > In similar lines - > > 2) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 3rd & 5th (3rd from 3rd): > > harms younger co-born (brother or sister) > > Yes, BB is one of the major rules in operation here that helps us > > draw this conclusion. I don't any confusion is involved in it. This > > is a rule applicable everywhere. You should not that out of all the > > 12 houses from any house, well being of the house with the same > > number gains maximum importance. For example – > > · For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important > > · For 5th , 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important > > · For 7th, Lagna (7th from 7th ) is very important > > · For 8th , 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important > > · For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important and so on. > > > > Proceed with your argument and clarification. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , rk dash > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > Yesterday I said, another day. > > > > > > Malefic afflication simultanously of 4th & 7th harms mother. And > > you say that is due to b.b., not anything else. Fine. Now tell me > > whether affliction of 3rd as well as 5th will persuade us to read an > > affliction of two co-born houses -- namely, 3rd and 3rd from 3rd, > > which is 5th? > > > Would you read extended 3rd-ness (the extended theme of sibling) > > from 5th? > > > Promising to relieve you of the double jeopardy. > > > > > > RK > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Dear Sairam ji, > > > Good Morning. You are right. > > > Houses (Bhava) - are directly related to Native - Prime > > significance. > > > House to House - are directly related to House and indirectly to > > > native - Secondary significance; Details of items indicated by > > > Primary significance. > > > > > > Eg _1: > > > 4th : Mother. > > > Houses from 4th house: Details of Mother. > > > > > > Eg _2: > > > 4th : Native House. > > > Houses from 4th house: Details of Native House. > > > > > > Eg _3: > > > 2th : Face. > > > Houses from 2th house: Details of Face. > > > > > > Yes, 'Bhavat Bhavam' is one of the straight forward, well known, > > > fundamental rule used for result derivation. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , sairam nat > > > <sairaman53@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sairaman > > > > > > > > goodmorning all members > > > > > > > > re garding bhavathvam i have something to ay > > > > > > > > > > > > there aretwo divisions in astrology like a coin 2 sides > > > > > > > > one that isdirectly connected to lagna like education sickness > > > accidents etc > > > > > > > > we cannot a proxy for our thirst sleep for job education etc > > unless > > > we go to job personally work there we cannot salary > > > > > > > > a vechicle money property may owned by any enjoyed by others > > > > > > > > the lagna sufferes any thing connected to 8and 12th houswe of > > lagna > > > rest ofthe bhavas from the bhavams do not much affect the native as > > > such for eg > > > > > > > > if 10th lord in 5th it is 8th of 10th it is no away affects the > > > native as the 5th 9th etc are verygood bhava for the native from > > the > > > lagna whever lagna suffers the native suffers > > > > > > > > so connecting each bhava to other may not affect the > > lagnathipathi > > > the native is not affected much > > > > > > > > education sleep enjoyment happniness the state of mind thirst > > > hunger etc etc all the individual 3enjoys cannot be transfered to > > > others > > > > > > > > i have my 10th lord saturn in my 5th house i have much worrying > > > many years back after experience i have come to conclusion it never > > > affected me i have good job well respected by boss going well for > > > past 34 years with some good changes for betterment well > > experienced > > > in so many different fields in job i am so happy as the 5th house > > is > > > houe of poorvapunya all my big bosses so intimately personally > > > attached to me with good affection and love > > > > > > > > bhavath bhavam is a very good concept however while expecting > > > results as such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank y all with my wishes and regards > > > > > > > > rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, Lalit Saab, Sreenadh and friends, > > > > > > > > My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has its > > > ambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the ambit, > > > the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being 12th > > from > > > 5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away > > from > > > 5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing untoward > > > happens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My personal > > > experience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I have > > > come across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. Yes, > > > in the former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or one > > > of them) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I > > know > > > of at least one such chart. > > > > > > > > So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds not? > > > We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation. > > > > > > > > Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken care of the goof > > > that 7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to how to > > > reconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo it > > > reduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not all > > of > > > them. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as > > asset, > > > etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) cannot > > > clash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- that > > > which confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is > > PRIMARILY > > > & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' > > > reduplication drops off. > > > > > > > > We'll try to be lively but unerring. > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > > > It is inside the folder named " Sreenadh " . But I am yet to upload > > > the > > > > updated file, I will try to do it by today evening. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh. > > > > > > > > > > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me > > in > > > > what > > > > > folder this pdf is there. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > > > > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this > > doubt > > > > in > > > > > > detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various > > > > > houses.pdf " > > > > > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it > > > here. I > > > > > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening > > > > itself. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being > > > > 12'th > > > > > to > > > > > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i > > > > think > > > > > is > > > > > > > not true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from > > > > 11'th, > > > > > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil > > nair " > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both > > > > > dustana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of > > free > > > > will > > > > > u > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also > > > > known > > > > > as > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya > > > > gives > > > > > good > > > > > > > > results . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba > > > > > where > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according > > to > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of > > > > > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out > > side > > > > > world > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th > > > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even > > > our > > > > > elder > > > > > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure > > and > > > > > loses > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a > > > great > > > > > say in > > > > > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics > > > of > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " litsol " > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a > > > > good > > > > > try > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from > > > > some > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes > > > > n'th > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to > > > > > understand > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd > > is > > > > an > > > > > > > upachaya > > > > > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, > > > Bhoga > > > > > trikona > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk dash > > > > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj > > > > > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your > > PDF > > > > > file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of course > > pour > > > > in. > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > we have to > > > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > > > L1 > > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration " > > > is > > > > > this. > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that > > as > > > > > yet), we > > > > > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular > > > experience > > > > > > > emanating > > > > > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya > > > phala > > > > of > > > > > a > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation > > in > > > > > slokas. > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in > > a > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some > > > loud > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of > > > your > > > > > logic > > > > > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The > > result > > > of > > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from > > > 2nd, > > > > ie > > > > > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a > > > > > rationale. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the > > > 4th > > > > > hse > > > > > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, > > applying > > > > your > > > > > > > well- > > > > > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the > > > > > goodness > > > > > > > of) > > > > > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed > > on 'sustained > > > > > topics' > > > > > > > > > in a more organised fashion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as > > > if > > > > > solely > > > > > > > > > > based on " Houses " alone. > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. > > > But > > > > we > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > > > L1 > > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > > > You > > > > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as > > > > > Planet/lords > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided. > > > > > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - > > > and > > > > so > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > is discarded. > > > > > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based > > > > > derivation - > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > so the same is discarded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on > > > houses, > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can > > proceed > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those > > > derivations... > > > > > > > > > > Love and Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk > > dash > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the > > > > > compedium. > > > > > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take > > > time > > > > > to > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > what is meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1st house > > > > > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd hse > > > > > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the > > > locality, > > > > > life > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > plenty, corpulent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd hse > > > > > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th hse > > > > > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could > > also > > > > > > > mean 'very > > > > > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura- jivita), > > > earns > > > > > by > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th hse > > > > > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, > > > > known > > > > > his > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > good qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th hse > > > > > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, > > subdues > > > > > > > enemies, on > > > > > > > > > > the side of good deeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th hse > > > > > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends > > > himself > > > > > fast > > > > > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th hse > > > > > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long- > > > > > lived, > > > > > > > harsh > > > > > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique > > if > > > a > > > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th hse > > > > > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced > > > > (without > > > > > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, > > brilliant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th hse > > > > > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, > > reverent > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th hse > > > > > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during > > > > > coitus, > > > > > > > > > > powerful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th hse > > > > > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free > > > > loader > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. > > > But > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from - - > > > from > > > > L1 > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > > > You > > > > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates > > > the > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > (best > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a > > > > classic > > > > > to > > > > > > > be) > > > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going > > to > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > houses) > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by > > that > > > > book > > > > > > > > > for " lagna > > > > > > > > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be much > > > > > beneficial > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used > > > > behind > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those > > > > > derivations; > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > usual > > > > > > > > > > > based on conditions such as - > > > > > > > > > > > * logical or not > > > > > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the > > > > > Sanskrit > > > > > > > > > > original > > > > > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations > > are > > > > > logical, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think > > > indicate > > > > > that > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > be valuable material. > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , rk > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one > > of > > > > the > > > > > 7- > > > > > > > fold > > > > > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source > > > must > > > > > be > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates > > the > > > > best > > > > > > > (best > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a > > classic > > > > to > > > > > be) > > > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going > > to > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the > > > portion > > > > > nor is > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other > > > portions > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very > > > > > insightful > > > > > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we > > > take > > > > on > > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, > > and > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall > > > > reputation > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > text. > > > > > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of > > > > > > > > > interpretation > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be > > > > rated > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > high. > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > > > say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/- ies > > or > > > > > > > classics? > > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. > > > Apart > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > Parasara > > > > > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are > > > > available > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same in > > > > > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses > > it. > > > > The > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost > > > > > importance in > > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > Ratna > > > > > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > slokas > > > > > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja > > > > > hora). > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the > > > > auther > > > > > of > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar > > of > > > > 17th > > > > > > > > > century. > > > > > > > > > > Thus - > > > > > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since > > > supported > > > > > by > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > Ratna. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since > > > supported > > > > > by > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > Sara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed > > > the > > > > > same at > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > search for > > > > > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, > > Jataka > > > > > > > Parijata, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two > > rudimentary > > > > > slokas > > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some > > > > slokas > > > > > > > > > relevant > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas > > > > > (Whereever > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But > > > for > > > > > sure > > > > > > > none > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora > > > > > Pradeepam) > > > > > > > > > > discusses > > > > > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my > > > current > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi > > > horas) > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > concerned it > > > > > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this > > > subject > > > > > > > > > extensively > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same > > > > (since > > > > > they > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > 7- > > > > > > > > > > fold > > > > > > > > > > > > method). > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > rk > > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. > > > That's > > > > > what > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is > > > > > about. > > > > > > > That's > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, > > > > > winkling the > > > > > > > > > > secrets > > > > > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next > > > to > > > > > > > Parasara we > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: > > > > Meenaraja > > > > > > > Hora, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the > > > > overall > > > > > > > > > > reputation of > > > > > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the > > > > > aspect of > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may > > > not > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/- ies > > or > > > > > > > classics? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be > > > > > cynosures > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. > > > > Onlookers > > > > > all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as > > far > > > > as > > > > > LL > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > to H-7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if > > LL > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > malefic' > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we > > > cannot > > > > > > > discount > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > as far > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in > > > the > > > > > sloka > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we > > > > would > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic and argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there > > > > could > > > > > be > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS > > > results) > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you > > > have > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > stated, > > > > > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD > > > > > > > BE ''susuta' > > > > > > > > > > (good > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this > > > > doubt > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations > > > given > > > > > in > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > texts and > > > > > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check > > the > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context- > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the > > predictions > > > > > given in > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora > > Pradeepam) > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual > > > > results > > > > > > > observed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is - > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > > the 'ruling' > > > > > is: > > > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors > > clearly > > > > > > > discounted. > > > > > > > > > > Clear? > > > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is - > > > > > > > > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be > > > > > considered, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL > > > being > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly > > discounted " > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with > > > corollaries, > > > > > ONLY > > > > > > > WHEN > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka > > > itself; > > > > > just > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > > > completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > rk > > > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 > > > being > > > > a > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those > > > > outcomes > > > > > of > > > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > > > going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, > > uninterested > > > in > > > > > > > life/wife > > > > > > > > > > etc). If > > > > > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, > > > > > > > saying " where > > > > > > > > > L- > > > > > > > > > > 5 (or > > > > > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > > the 'ruling' > > > > > is: > > > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > > > > discounted. > > > > > > > > > > Clear? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > Let > > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on > > > our > > > > > logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the > > > good > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > such as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, > > > emotional > > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this > > > > > account > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house > > > signify > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any > > > > house > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > native is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. > > Lagna > > > > lord > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked > > by > > > > > women > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Thus it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many > > > > relations > > > > > > > > > (wives). > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, > > > and > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - > > > NOT > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > result, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native > > > will > > > > > have > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is > > a > > > > house > > > > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > > > > is of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many > > > > results. > > > > > > > That is > > > > > > > > > > why the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from > > > 2nd - > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > kinds > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that > > it > > > > > could be > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > bhavat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in > > this > > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it > > > can > > > > > affect > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double > > > impact. > > > > > That > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - > > 5th > > > > > signify > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > child > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates > > > a > > > > bit > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the > > > possibility > > > > > > > of 'double > > > > > > > > > > > impact' i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we > > > will > > > > > > > verify) > > > > > > > > > > gain of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > for it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the > > derivations > > > > > > > consistent) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life > > and > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. > > > > > Therefore > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logically ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , > > > > rk > > > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical > > > > > consideration > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > we test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a > > small > > > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala > > > in > > > > > BHPH. > > > > > > > I'll > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) > > > > which > > > > > are > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > self- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 > > wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, > > given > > > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the > > department > > > > > > > represented > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the > > sweeping > > > > good > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its > > > > placement > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5th. > > > > > > > > > > Why loss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works > > > > declare, 'susuta', > > > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage > > > for > > > > > all > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > tenancy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud > > about. > > > > > Rule > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > that any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring > > > detriment > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > house the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile > > the > > > L1 > > > > > in > > > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > > > ensuring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the > > attrition > > > > of > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > (12th > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being > > subject > > > to > > > > > > > > > detriment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in > > > > various > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain > > in > > > > > > > decisions, > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, > > > > > happiness, > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > habits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds > > > of > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > wives, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy > > > > mother > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, > > beauty > > > > and > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from > > > > > children, > > > > > > > loss > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and > > > > authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by > > > malefics) > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a > > > > > malefic) his > > > > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), > > > he > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will > > be > > > > > detached > > > > > > > > > > towards his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It > > is > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor > > man) > > > or > > > > > also > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of > > > knowledge, > > > > > > > troubled > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be > > > > > > > interested in > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > kinds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on, > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, > > > devotee > > > > of > > > > > > > Vishnu, > > > > > > > > > > > master of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife > > > and > > > > > > > children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and > > people > > > in > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a > > government > > > > > servant, > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > popular. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, > > > good > > > > > > > > > popularity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), > > good > > > > > > > qualities, > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > wives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant > > without > > > > > reason, > > > > > > > > > angry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in > > 12th > > > > and > > > > > if > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , > > > > > manju > > > > > > > > > > chawla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this > > way.You > > > > are > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > helping us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the > > > > > subject " What > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various > > > houses? " - > > > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with > > actual > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse excellence > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach > > > for,Perfection > > > > is > > > > > > > God's > > > > > > > > > > > business--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check > > out > > > > > > > tonight's top > > > > > > > > > > > picks on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as > > you > > > > > wish. > > > > > > > Click > > > > > > > > > > here to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you > > > > wish. > > > > > Click > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. > > Click > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 OK, Sree, I will not wear you out on this further. Your 7th from 7th 'chintan' is impressive right up to the navel gaze. Good sight, oops, insight. Liked that, will test (that bit) too. But 6th from 6th scurrying for cover viz. step one, step two, step three. The step two situation in you ken is weak, though I agree on convergence of (other) clues. Pray for my vaksiddhi or teach some arcane technique to extend my gaze. We will move ahead. RKSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,==>> Tell me what is it of the 7th house that we must look for in the 1st (7th from 7th)? Is it dyuna? Or kaLatra?<== 7th from 7th indicates the wife's approach towards her husband; 7th from 7th indicates whether she is satisfied with her married life; 7th form 7th indicates how beutiful her navel portion is - what is her attitude in sex is. In short 7th from 7th in the Husbands horoscope gives "the Wife's attitude towards many things"; gives details of body of the "Wife". Yes, it provides more details - without violating the prime significance of 7th from Lagna as native's wife. ==>> 2ndly, what happens to 6th from 6th? Take the 'enemy' bit.<==6th from 6th indicates the enemies velour; how fears and adamant he is. The malefic or benefic nature of 6th from 6th indicates how blood thirst and cruel the enemy is. ==>Or do we drop b.b and move to real life rule? Or, say that one's enemy's enemy is one's friend, therefore declare 11th as standing for 'friend', by overriding b.b.? <==If you want to know, "who is Enemy's enemy? By befriending whom I will get benefited?" then you can think in those lines. But note that the same is NOT well supported by the texts since we are moving 3 steps away from the natal chart. That is -1)6th is Enemy2)(Go to 6th & look from there: Bhavat Bavam) 6th from 6th is enemy's enemy.3) (Go to 6th from 6th, i.e. 11th; Look from there) Think about enemy's enemy.Note that up to the second step classic support is available, and on the third you are on your own - If many other clues support and if you have vaksidhi you may become right. But sages guided us only up to the second step - first, Bhava, and second, Bhavat Bhavam. Note: Comments welcome – by the way, RK ji, shouldn't we move on? Pls refer to the mail to Pradeep ji, lot of things pending.. :)Love,Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote:>> Sreenadh,> This is the level we have to keep to if we want to achieve anything at this forum. Your clarification is headed right, but I must persist. Tell me what is it of the 7th house that we must look for in the 1st (7th from 7th)? Is it dyuna? Or kaLatra? And I won't buy any argument that from 7th a planet aspects 1st, therefore... > > 2ndly, what happens to 6th from 6th? Take the 'enemy' bit. Do we again gather clue to one's enemy in bhavat bhavam of 6th? Or do we drop b.b and move to real life rule? Or, say that one's enemy's enemy is one's friend, therefore declare 11th as standing for 'friend', by overriding b.b.? Tell me.> > RK> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear RK ji,> ==>> > Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. > <==> Yes - the complete list is -> • For 1st, 1st (1st from 1st) is very important> • For 2nd, 3rd (2nd from 2nd) is very important> • For 3rd, 5th (3rd from 3rd) is very important> • For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important> • For 5th, 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important> • For 6th, 11th (6th from 6th) is very important> • For 7th, 1st (7th from 7th ) is very important> • For 8th, 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important> • For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important > • For 10th, 7th (10th from 10th ) is very important > • For 11th, 9th (11th from 11th ) is very important > • For 12th, 11th (12th from 12th ) is very important > > [Note that All the odd houses - 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th & 11 th are> gaining double importance in this list]> ==>> It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5 houses away> from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6 houses away> from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another to move 7> houses from 7th and read the same from there. > <==> The point is "It is NOT reading the SAME, but reading the DETAILS".> The paired house (given above) has MAXIMUM INFLUENCE on DETAILS> concerning that prime significance. It is the confusion regarding the> 'Same' that causes you to argue on the above lines. > Ofcouse 11th can gives us much details in 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta'; But> please don't confuce it with 'Bhava Chinta' where 6th only signifies> enemy and NOT 11th. 'Bhava Chinta' and 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta' are two> methods/thought-tools.> ==>> > The 1st and 11th where individuals (relatives) are concerned remain> irrefragable, because reiteration will cause chaos.> <== > In astrology instead of compartmentalization and classification,> holistic approach and integration gains importance at the end. The> ppl gets struck up in the first method term the second as chaos. The> astrologer is 'Ooha-Apoha Patu' meaning -> 1. First he uses analytical/classification methods to derive prime> results. (This is termed 'Ooha'; This is the analytical approach). For> example. some malefic influence in 4th, then he knows that something> bad should be predicted derived for mother.> 2. Second, he uses the holistic/integration approach to confirm and> derive details (secondary results). (This is termed 'Apoha'; This is> holistic approach). For example, Some influence on 4th from 4th,> Something about Mo, some other combinations in chart indicate> something related to Mother; In essence a multitude of houses and> planets start speaking about the mother! The astrologer see this, the> conclusion is being drawn by his consciousness (No, he is NOT doing> it, but rather he REFLECTS it; even though his total understanding> about methodologies becomes the fuel, the fire is the integrated> nature of consciousness itself). Yah, this second face will feel like> chaos to those who strictly stick to the fragmented first approach alone.> Astrology gives equal importance to both these strategies Analytical> & Holistic (Ooha & Apoha). It is not that Analytical is more important> or that Holistic is more important; Both of them are equally> important. Analytical approach is the base (because of the fragmented> nature of human mind) and Holistic approach is the culmination> (because of the integrated nature of the consciousness). > I don't know to what extend I have succeeded in conveying the idea, I> want to convey. Yes, this though process is part of 'Bhava Chinta' and> 'Bhavat Bhava' chinta as well. In a way you can consider 'Bhava> Chinta' as part of analytical, and 'Bhava Bhava Chinta' as part of> holistic providing details. As a whole together they reflect the whole. > ==>> > I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b.> from actual charts, at a later stage. > <==> Yes, we have to and we will. > Love and Hugs,> Sreenadh> > , rk dash> <arkaydash@> wrote:> >> > Yes, Sreenadh,> > > > Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. But, and> this is a 'nice' but, my contention is: not lock stock and barrel.> Particularly where relatives are concerned we better leave the> incompatible signifcations out of the reiteration in these> house-pairs. It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5> houses away from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6> houses away from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another to> move 7 houses from 7th and read the same from there. Our derivations> would then be: 7th is spouse, 1st is spouse, not self. And one's> father's co-borns would be one's enemies.> > > > The 1st and 11th where inidviduals (relatives) are concerned remain> irrefragable, because reiteration will cause choas.> > > > Reminds me of a similar rule in arudha determination. When the> lord of a house is 7 houses away from that house, you know the arudha> does not move 7 house away from the lord's position. > > > > I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b.> from actual charts, at a later stage. > > > > Your turn.> > RK> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear RK ji,> > 1) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 4th & 7th (4th from 4th): > > harms mother> > In similar lines -> > 2) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 3rd & 5th (3rd from 3rd): > > harms younger co-born (brother or sister)> > Yes, BB is one of the major rules in operation here that helps us > > draw this conclusion. I don't any confusion is involved in it. This > > is a rule applicable everywhere. You should not that out of all the > > 12 houses from any house, well being of the house with the same > > number gains maximum importance. For example –> > · For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important> > · For 5th , 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important> > · For 7th, Lagna (7th from 7th ) is very important> > · For 8th , 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important> > · For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important and so on. > > > > Proceed with your argument and clarification. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , rk dash > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > >> > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > Yesterday I said, another day.> > > > > > Malefic afflication simultanously of 4th & 7th harms mother. And > > you say that is due to b.b., not anything else. Fine. Now tell me > > whether affliction of 3rd as well as 5th will persuade us to read an > > affliction of two co-born houses -- namely, 3rd and 3rd from 3rd, > > which is 5th?> > > Would you read extended 3rd-ness (the extended theme of sibling) > > from 5th? > > > Promising to relieve you of the double jeopardy.> > > > > > RK> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > Dear Sairam ji,> > > Good Morning. You are right.> > > Houses (Bhava) - are directly related to Native - Prime > > significance.> > > House to House - are directly related to House and indirectly to > > > native - Secondary significance; Details of items indicated by > > > Primary significance.> > > > > > Eg _1: > > > 4th : Mother.> > > Houses from 4th house: Details of Mother.> > > > > > Eg _2: > > > 4th : Native House.> > > Houses from 4th house: Details of Native House.> > > > > > Eg _3: > > > 2th : Face.> > > Houses from 2th house: Details of Face.> > > > > > Yes, 'Bhavat Bhavam' is one of the straight forward, well known, > > > fundamental rule used for result derivation. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , sairam nat > > > <sairaman53@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Sairaman > > > > > > > > goodmorning all members> > > > > > > > re garding bhavathvam i have something to ay> > > > > > > > > > > > there aretwo divisions in astrology like a coin 2 sides> > > > > > > > one that isdirectly connected to lagna like education sickness > > > accidents etc > > > > > > > > we cannot a proxy for our thirst sleep for job education etc > > unless > > > we go to job personally work there we cannot salary> > > > > > > > a vechicle money property may owned by any enjoyed by others> > > > > > > > the lagna sufferes any thing connected to 8and 12th houswe of > > lagna > > > rest ofthe bhavas from the bhavams do not much affect the native as > > > such for eg> > > > > > > > if 10th lord in 5th it is 8th of 10th it is no away affects the > > > native as the 5th 9th etc are verygood bhava for the native from > > the > > > lagna whever lagna suffers the native suffers > > > > > > > > so connecting each bhava to other may not affect the > > lagnathipathi > > > the native is not affected much > > > > > > > > education sleep enjoyment happniness the state of mind thirst > > > hunger etc etc all the individual 3enjoys cannot be transfered to > > > others> > > > > > > > i have my 10th lord saturn in my 5th house i have much worrying > > > many years back after experience i have come to conclusion it never > > > affected me i have good job well respected by boss going well for > > > past 34 years with some good changes for betterment well > > experienced > > > in so many different fields in job i am so happy as the 5th house > > is > > > houe of poorvapunya all my big bosses so intimately personally > > > attached to me with good affection and love > > > > > > > > bhavath bhavam is a very good concept however while expecting > > > results as such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank y all with my wishes and regards> > > > > > > > rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, Lalit Saab, Sreenadh and friends,> > > > > > > > My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has its > > > ambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the ambit, > > > the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being 12th > > from > > > 5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away > > from > > > 5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing untoward > > > happens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My personal > > > experience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I have > > > come across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. Yes, > > > in the former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or one > > > of them) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I > > know > > > of at least one such chart. > > > > > > > > So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds not? > > > We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation.> > > > > > > > Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken care of the goof > > > that 7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to how to > > > reconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo it > > > reduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not all > > of > > > them. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as > > asset, > > > etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) cannot > > > clash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- that > > > which confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is > > PRIMARILY > > > & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' > > > reduplication drops off.> > > > > > > > We'll try to be lively but unerring.> > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > Dear Lalit ji,> > > > It is inside the folder named "Sreenadh". But I am yet to upload > > > the > > > > updated file, I will try to do it by today evening.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , "litsol" > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Srinadh.> > > > > > > > > > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell me > > in > > > > what > > > > > folder this pdf is there.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,> > > > > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this > > doubt > > > > in> > > > > > detail in my modified document on "Lagna lord in various > > > > > houses.pdf"> > > > > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain it > > > here. I> > > > > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening > > > > itself. > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > , "litsol"> > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th being > > > > 12'th > > > > > to > > > > > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, that i > > > > think > > > > > is > > > > > > > not true.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th from > > > > 11'th, > > > > > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the contrary.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil > > nair" > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both > > > > > dustana > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of > > free > > > > will > > > > > u > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and also > > > > known > > > > > as > > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in upachaya > > > > gives > > > > > good> > > > > > > > results .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or kutumba > > > > > where > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata according > > to > > > > > prashna> > > > > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of> > > > > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with out > > side > > > > > world > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being 10th > > > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and even > > > our > > > > > elder> > > > > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of expenditure > > and > > > > > loses > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has a > > > great > > > > > say in> > > > > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the characteristics > > > of > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "litsol"> > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not always a > > > > good > > > > > try > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is from > > > > some > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house comes > > > > n'th > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to > > > > > understand > > > > > > > basic> > > > > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why 3'rd > > is > > > > an > > > > > > > upachaya> > > > > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma trikona, > > > Bhoga > > > > > trikona> > > > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , rk dash> > > > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the Meenaraj> > > > > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see your > > PDF > > > > > file.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What I meant when I said: "Examples will of course > > pour > > > > in. > > > > > But> > > > > > > > > we have to> > > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > > > L1 > > > > in > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration" > > > is > > > > > this. > > > > > > > When> > > > > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to that > > as > > > > > yet), we> > > > > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular > > > experience > > > > > > > emanating> > > > > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a bhavashraya > > > phala > > > > of > > > > > a > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the derivation > > in > > > > > slokas. > > > > > > > We> > > > > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can introduce in > > a > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing some > > > loud > > > > > > > thinking> > > > > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in advance.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some of > > > your > > > > > logic> > > > > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The > > result > > > of > > > > > wealth> > > > > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd from > > > 2nd, > > > > ie> > > > > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant as a > > > > > rationale. > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications the > > > 4th > > > > > hse> > > > > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, > > applying > > > > your > > > > > > > well-> > > > > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies (the > > > > > goodness > > > > > > > of)> > > > > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is valid.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed > > on 'sustained > > > > > topics'> > > > > > > > > in a more organised fashion...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and looks as > > > if > > > > > solely> > > > > > > > > > based on "Houses" alone.> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour in. > > > But > > > > we > > > > > > > have to> > > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- from > > > L1 > > > > in > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > > > You > > > > > agree?> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as > > > > > Planet/lords > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided.> > > > > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any lords - > > > and > > > > so > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > is discarded.> > > > > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house based > > > > > derivation - > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > so the same is discarded.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on > > > houses, > > > > > and so> > > > > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can > > proceed > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those > > > derivations... > > > > > > > > > > Love and Hugs,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , rk > > dash> > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Shreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in the > > > > > compedium.> > > > > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll take > > > time > > > > > to > > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > > > what is meant.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In 1st house> > > > > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of land> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd hse> > > > > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the > > > locality, > > > > > life > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > plenty, corpulent> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd hse> > > > > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; brave, > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 4th hse> > > > > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could > > also > > > > > > > mean 'very> > > > > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura-jivita), > > > earns > > > > > by > > > > > > > right> > > > > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 5th hse> > > > > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has humility, > > > > known > > > > > his > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > good qualities> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 6th hse> > > > > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, > > subdues > > > > > > > enemies, on> > > > > > > > > > the side of good deeds> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 7th hse> > > > > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends > > > himself > > > > > fast> > > > > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 8th hse> > > > > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very long-> > > > > lived, > > > > > > > harsh> > > > > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large physique > > if > > > a > > > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 9th hse> > > > > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, balanced > > > > (without> > > > > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, > > brilliant> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 10th hse> > > > > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, > > reverent > > > > > towards> > > > > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 11th hse> > > > > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast during > > > > > coitus,> > > > > > > > > > powerful> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 12th hse> > > > > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a free > > > > loader> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour in. > > > But > > > > > we > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from -- > > > from > > > > L1 > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' configuration. > > > You > > > > > agree?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which collates > > > the > > > > > best> > > > > > > > > (best> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from a > > > > classic > > > > > to > > > > > > > be)> > > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going > > to > > > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > > houses)> > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by > > that > > > > book> > > > > > > > > for "lagna> > > > > > > > > > > lord going to various houses"? That could be much > > > > > beneficial > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic used > > > > behind > > > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those > > > > > derivations; > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > usual> > > > > > > > > > > based on conditions such as -> > > > > > > > > > > * logical or not> > > > > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not> > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or the > > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > > original> > > > > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the derivations > > are > > > > > logical, > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience.> > > > > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff.> > > > > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think > > > indicate > > > > > that > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > > be valuable material.> > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , rk > > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on one > > of > > > > the > > > > > 7-> > > > > > > fold> > > > > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora source > > > must > > > > > be > > > > > > > kept> > > > > > > > > on.> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which collates > > the > > > > best > > > > > > > (best> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a > > classic > > > > to > > > > > be)> > > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord going > > to > > > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the > > > portion > > > > > nor is> > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other > > > portions > > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks very > > > > > insightful> > > > > > > > > stuff.> > > > > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. Let's > > see.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara we > > > take > > > > on > > > > > > > board> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja Hora, > > and > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam.> > > > > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall > > > > reputation > > > > > of > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > text.> > > > > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the aspect of> > > > > > > > > interpretation> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise be > > > > rated > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > high.> > > > > > > > > > What> > > > > > > > > > > > say?> > > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies > > or > > > > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to answer. > > > Apart > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > Parasara> > > > > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are > > > > available > > > > > for > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > same in> > > > > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora discusses > > it. > > > > The> > > > > > > > > statements> > > > > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost > > > > > importance in> > > > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > Ratna> > > > > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant versions > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > slokas> > > > > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena raja > > > > > hora). > > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by the > > > > auther > > > > > of > > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > Sara> > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known scholar > > of > > > > 17th> > > > > > > > > century.> > > > > > > > > > Thus -> > > > > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since > > > supported > > > > > by > > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > Ratna.> > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since > > > supported > > > > > by > > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > Sara.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have discussed > > > the > > > > > same at> > > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to make an > > > > > elaborate> > > > > > > > > > search for> > > > > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, > > Jataka > > > > > > > Parijata,> > > > > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two > > rudimentary > > > > > slokas> > > > > > > > > related> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. Some > > > > slokas> > > > > > > > > relevant> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi horas > > > > > (Whereever > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). But > > > for > > > > > sure > > > > > > > none> > > > > > > > > > of the> > > > > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, Hora > > > > > Pradeepam)> > > > > > > > > > discusses> > > > > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my > > > current > > > > > > > knowledge> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi > > > horas) > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > concerned it> > > > > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this > > > subject> > > > > > > > > extensively> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the same > > > > (since > > > > > they > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > 7-> > > > > > > > > > fold> > > > > > > > > > > > method).> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > , > > rk > > > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the "pure" point. > > > That's > > > > > what > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a chart is > > > > > about. > > > > > > > That's> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core task, > > > > > winkling the> > > > > > > > > > secrets> > > > > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who next > > > to > > > > > > > Parasara we> > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: > > > > Meenaraja > > > > > > > Hora,> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > Hora> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by the > > > > overall> > > > > > > > > > reputation of> > > > > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to the > > > > > aspect of> > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that may > > > not > > > > > > > otherwise> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say?> > > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/-ies > > or > > > > > > > classics?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to be > > > > > cynosures > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > (the> > > > > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. > > > > Onlookers > > > > > all?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But as > > far > > > > as > > > > > LL > > > > > > > going> > > > > > > > > > to H-7> > > > > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' if > > LL > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > malefic'> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we > > > cannot > > > > > > > discount> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > as far> > > > > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given in > > > the > > > > > sloka > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > concerned.> > > > > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 (which we > > > > would > > > > > > > discuss> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I agree > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > logic and argument.> > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think there > > > > could > > > > > be > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS > > > results) > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as you > > > have > > > > > > > clearly> > > > > > > > > > stated,> > > > > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same SHOULD > > > > > > > BE ''susuta'> > > > > > > > > > (good> > > > > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep this > > > > doubt > > > > > open> > > > > > > > > till> > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the derivations > > > given > > > > > in > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > texts and> > > > > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross check > > the > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > predicted> > > > > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context-> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the > > predictions > > > > > given in> > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora > > Pradeepam)> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with actual > > > > results > > > > > > > observed.> > > > > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out is -> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > > the 'ruling' > > > > > is: > > > > > > > L-1> > > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors > > clearly > > > > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is -> > > > > > > > > > > > > "LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should be > > > > > considered, > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, LL > > > being > > > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly > > discounted"> > > > > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with > > > corollaries, > > > > > ONLY > > > > > > > WHEN> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka > > > itself; > > > > > just > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the sloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to your > > > > > statement> > > > > > > > > > completely.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > rk > > > > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of L1 > > > being > > > > a > > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for those > > > > outcomes > > > > > of > > > > > > > L-1> > > > > > > > > > going to> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, > > uninterested > > > in > > > > > > > life/wife> > > > > > > > > > etc). If> > > > > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the deduction, > > > > > > > saying "where> > > > > > > > > L-> > > > > > > > > > 5 (or> > > > > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted".> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > > the 'ruling' > > > > > is: > > > > > > > L-1> > > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors clearly > > > > > > > discounted.> > > > > > > > > > Clear?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important points > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > Let> > > > > > > > > us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons based on > > > our > > > > > logic.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all the > > > good > > > > > > > qualities> > > > > > > > > > such as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, > > > emotional > > > > > > > approach> > > > > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think this > > > > > account > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > logical> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house > > > signify > > > > > second> > > > > > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with any > > > > house > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > native is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. > > Lagna > > > > lord > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, liked > > by > > > > > women > > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > Thus it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many > > > > relations> > > > > > > > > (wives).> > > > > > > > > > It> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in lagna, > > > and > > > > > lagna> > > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are derived - > > > NOT > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > > bad> > > > > > > > > > > result, but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the native > > > will > > > > > have > > > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > > > kind of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd is > > a > > > > house> > > > > > > > > usually> > > > > > > > > > is of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating mixed/various/many > > > > results. > > > > > > > That is> > > > > > > > > > why the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd from > > > 2nd - > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt that > > it > > > > > could be > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > bhavat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply in > > this > > > > > regard.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction to it > > > can > > > > > affect> > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double > > > impact. > > > > > That > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st child - > > 5th > > > > > signify > > > > > > > 1st> > > > > > > > > > child> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara deviates > > > a > > > > bit > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the > > > possibility > > > > > > > of 'double> > > > > > > > > > > impact' i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be (we > > > will > > > > > > > verify)> > > > > > > > > > gain of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the child > > > > > should be> > > > > > > > > born> > > > > > > > > > for it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the > > derivations > > > > > > > consistent)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly life > > and > > > > wife> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a malefic. > > > > > Therefore > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > logically ok.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > rk > > > > > dash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical > > > > > consideration > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > we test> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a > > small > > > > > > > beginning> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya phala > > > in > > > > > BHPH. > > > > > > > I'll> > > > > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala (results) > > > > which > > > > > are > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > self-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), 2 > > wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lust> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good health> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, > > given > > > > the > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the > > department > > > > > > > represented> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the > > sweeping > > > > good > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its > > > > placement > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5th.> > > > > > > > > > Why loss> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works > > > > declare, 'susuta',> > > > > > > > > meaning> > > > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later stage > > > for > > > > > all > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > tenancy> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud > > about. > > > > > Rule > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > that any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring > > > detriment > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > house the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we reconcile > > the > > > L1 > > > > > in > > > > > > > 12th> > > > > > > > > > ensuring> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the > > attrition > > > > of > > > > > body> > > > > > > > > (12th> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being > > subject > > > to> > > > > > > > > detriment?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord in > > > > various > > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to start a > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, uncertain > > in > > > > > > > decisions,> > > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > wives> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good earnings, > > > > > happiness, > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > habits,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all kinds > > > of > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > wives,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from healthy > > > > mother > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, > > beauty > > > > and > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > qualities.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness from > > > > > children, > > > > > > > loss> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and > > > > authorities.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by > > > malefics) > > > > > > > trouble> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is a > > > > > malefic) his> > > > > > > > > wife> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go long), > > > he > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > become> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, will > > be > > > > > detached> > > > > > > > > > towards his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, It > > is > > > > > possible> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor > > man) > > > or > > > > > also > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of > > > knowledge, > > > > > > > troubled> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, will be > > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > kinds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, lottery > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on,> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > > > > angry.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, > > > devotee > > > > of > > > > > > > Vishnu,> > > > > > > > > > > master of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth wife > > > and > > > > > > > children.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and > > people > > > in > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > (the> > > > > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a > > government > > > > > servant,> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > > > > popular.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many sources, > > > good> > > > > > > > > popularity> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, celebrity), > > good > > > > > > > qualities,> > > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > wives.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant > > without > > > > > reason,> > > > > > > > > angry> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present in > > 12th > > > > and > > > > > if > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > manju> > > > > > > > > > chawla> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this > > way.You > > > > are > > > > > > > really> > > > > > > > > > > helping us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manju> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the > > > > > subject "What> > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various > > > houses?" -> > > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > > > > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with > > actual > > > > > results.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I am careful not to confuse excellence > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach > > > for,Perfection > > > > is > > > > > > > God's> > > > > > > > > > > business---> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check > > out > > > > > > > tonight's top> > > > > > > > > > > picks on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > TV.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as > > you > > > > > wish. > > > > > > > Click> > > > > > > > > > here to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you > > > > wish. > > > > > Click> > > > > > > > > here> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > know how.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. > > Click > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Lol..... :=) ==> Your 7th from 7th 'chintan' is impressive right up to the navel gaze. Good sight, oops, insight. Liked that, will test (that bit) too. <== Really man! You got a mastery over words! Love, Sreenadh , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > OK, Sree, > I will not wear you out on this further. Your 7th from 7th 'chintan' is impressive right up to the navel gaze. Good sight, oops, insight. Liked that, will test (that bit) too. But 6th from 6th scurrying for cover viz. step one, step two, step three. The step two situation in you ken is weak, though I agree on convergence of (other) clues. Pray for my vaksiddhi or teach some arcane technique to extend my gaze. We will move ahead. > RK > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear RK ji, > ==> > > Tell me what is it of the 7th house that we must look for in the > 1st (7th from 7th)? Is it dyuna? Or kaLatra? > <== > 7th from 7th indicates the wife's approach towards her husband; 7th > from 7th indicates whether she is satisfied with her married life; > 7th form 7th indicates how beutiful her navel portion is - what is > her attitude in sex is. > In short 7th from 7th in the Husbands horoscope gives " the Wife's > attitude towards many things " ; gives details of body of the " Wife " . > Yes, it provides more details - without violating the prime > significance of 7th from Lagna as native's wife. > ==> > > 2ndly, what happens to 6th from 6th? Take the 'enemy' bit. > <== > 6th from 6th indicates the enemies velour; how fears and adamant he > is. The malefic or benefic nature of 6th from 6th indicates how blood > thirst and cruel the enemy is. > ==> > Or do we drop b.b and move to real life rule? Or, say that one's > enemy's enemy is one's friend, therefore declare 11th as standing > for 'friend', by overriding b.b.? > <== > If you want to know, " who is Enemy's enemy? By befriending whom I > will get benefited? " then you can think in those lines. But note that > the same is NOT well supported by the texts since we are moving 3 > steps away from the natal chart. That is - > 1)6th is Enemy > 2)(Go to 6th & look from there: Bhavat Bavam) 6th from 6th is > enemy's enemy. > 3) (Go to 6th from 6th, i.e. 11th; Look from there) Think about > enemy's enemy. > Note that up to the second step classic support is available, and on > the third you are on your own - If many other clues support and if > you have vaksidhi you may become right. But sages guided us only > up to the second step - first, Bhava, and second, Bhavat Bhavam. > Note: Comments welcome – by the way, RK ji, shouldn't we move on? Pls > refer to the mail to Pradeep ji, lot of things pending.. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , rk dash > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Sreenadh, > > This is the level we have to keep to if we want to achieve > anything at this forum. Your clarification is headed right, but I > must persist. Tell me what is it of the 7th house that we must look > for in the 1st (7th from 7th)? Is it dyuna? Or kaLatra? And I won't > buy any argument that from 7th a planet aspects 1st, therefore... > > > > 2ndly, what happens to 6th from 6th? Take the 'enemy' bit. Do we > again gather clue to one's enemy in bhavat bhavam of 6th? Or do we > drop b.b and move to real life rule? Or, say that one's enemy's enemy > is one's friend, therefore declare 11th as standing for 'friend', by > overriding b.b.? Tell me. > > > > RK > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: Dear RK ji, > > ==> > > > Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. > > <== > > Yes - the complete list is - > > • For 1st, 1st (1st from 1st) is very important > > • For 2nd, 3rd (2nd from 2nd) is very important > > • For 3rd, 5th (3rd from 3rd) is very important > > • For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important > > • For 5th, 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important > > • For 6th, 11th (6th from 6th) is very important > > • For 7th, 1st (7th from 7th ) is very important > > • For 8th, 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important > > • For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important > > • For 10th, 7th (10th from 10th ) is very important > > • For 11th, 9th (11th from 11th ) is very important > > • For 12th, 11th (12th from 12th ) is very important > > > > [Note that All the odd houses - 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th & 11 th are > > gaining double importance in this list] > > ==> > > It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is 5 houses away > > from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it is 6 houses > away > > from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another to move 7 > > houses from 7th and read the same from there. > > <== > > The point is " It is NOT reading the SAME, but reading the DETAILS " . > > The paired house (given above) has MAXIMUM INFLUENCE on DETAILS > > concerning that prime significance. It is the confusion regarding > the > > 'Same' that causes you to argue on the above lines. > > Ofcouse 11th can gives us much details in 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta'; But > > please don't confuce it with 'Bhava Chinta' where 6th only signifies > > enemy and NOT 11th. 'Bhava Chinta' and 'Bhavat Bhava Chinta' are two > > methods/thought-tools. > > ==> > > > The 1st and 11th where individuals (relatives) are concerned > remain > > irrefragable, because reiteration will cause chaos. > > <== > > In astrology instead of compartmentalization and classification, > > holistic approach and integration gains importance at the end. > The > > ppl gets struck up in the first method term the second as chaos. The > > astrologer is 'Ooha-Apoha Patu' meaning - > > 1. First he uses analytical/classification methods to derive prime > > results. (This is termed 'Ooha'; This is the analytical approach). > For > > example. some malefic influence in 4th, then he knows that something > > bad should be predicted derived for mother. > > 2. Second, he uses the holistic/integration approach to confirm and > > derive details (secondary results). (This is termed 'Apoha'; This is > > holistic approach). For example, Some influence on 4th from 4th, > > Something about Mo, some other combinations in chart indicate > > something related to Mother; In essence a multitude of houses and > > planets start speaking about the mother! The astrologer see this, > the > > conclusion is being drawn by his consciousness (No, he is NOT doing > > it, but rather he REFLECTS it; even though his total understanding > > about methodologies becomes the fuel, the fire is the integrated > > nature of consciousness itself). Yah, this second face will feel > like > > chaos to those who strictly stick to the fragmented first approach > alone. > > Astrology gives equal importance to both these strategies Analytical > > & Holistic (Ooha & Apoha). It is not that Analytical is more > important > > or that Holistic is more important; Both of them are equally > > important. Analytical approach is the base (because of the > fragmented > > nature of human mind) and Holistic approach is the culmination > > (because of the integrated nature of the consciousness). > > I don't know to what extend I have succeeded in conveying the idea, > I > > want to convey. Yes, this though process is part of 'Bhava Chinta' > and > > 'Bhavat Bhava' chinta as well. In a way you can consider 'Bhava > > Chinta' as part of analytical, and 'Bhava Bhava Chinta' as part of > > holistic providing details. As a whole together they reflect the > whole. > > ==> > > > I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b. > > from actual charts, at a later stage. > > <== > > Yes, we have to and we will. > > Love and Hugs, > > Sreenadh > > > > , rk dash > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, Sreenadh, > > > > > > Even 6th-and-11th and 10th-and-7th fall in the category. But, and > > this is a 'nice' but, my contention is: not lock stock and barrel. > > Particularly where relatives are concerned we better leave the > > incompatible signifcations out of the reiteration in these > > house-pairs. It's one thing to read progeny from 9th because 9th is > 5 > > houses away from 5th, and another to read enemy from 11th 'coz it > is 6 > > houses away from 6th. One thing to read spouse from 7th and another > to > > move 7 houses from 7th and read the same from there. Our derivations > > would then be: 7th is spouse, 1st is spouse, not self. And one's > > father's co-borns would be one's enemies. > > > > > > The 1st and 11th where inidviduals (relatives) are concerned > remain > > irrefragable, because reiteration will cause choas. > > > > > > Reminds me of a similar rule in arudha determination. When the > > lord of a house is 7 houses away from that house, you know the > arudha > > does not move 7 house away from the lord's position. > > > > > > I think we'll have to turn to verification of this aspect of b.b. > > from actual charts, at a later stage. > > > > > > Your turn. > > > RK > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Dear RK ji, > > > 1) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 4th & 7th (4th from 4th): > > > harms mother > > > In similar lines - > > > 2) Malefic affliction simultaneously of 3rd & 5th (3rd from 3rd): > > > harms younger co-born (brother or sister) > > > Yes, BB is one of the major rules in operation here that helps us > > > draw this conclusion. I don't any confusion is involved in it. > This > > > is a rule applicable everywhere. You should not that out of all > the > > > 12 houses from any house, well being of the house with the same > > > number gains maximum importance. For example – > > > · For 4th, 7th (4th from 4th) is very important > > > · For 5th , 9th (5th from 5th ) is very important > > > · For 7th, Lagna (7th from 7th ) is very important > > > · For 8th , 3rd (8th from 8th ) is very important > > > · For 9th, 5th (9th from 9th ) is very important and so on. > > > > > > Proceed with your argument and clarification. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , rk dash > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > Yesterday I said, another day. > > > > > > > > Malefic afflication simultanously of 4th & 7th harms mother. > And > > > you say that is due to b.b., not anything else. Fine. Now tell me > > > whether affliction of 3rd as well as 5th will persuade us to read > an > > > affliction of two co-born houses -- namely, 3rd and 3rd from 3rd, > > > which is 5th? > > > > Would you read extended 3rd-ness (the extended theme of > sibling) > > > from 5th? > > > > Promising to relieve you of the double jeopardy. > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sairam ji, > > > > Good Morning. You are right. > > > > Houses (Bhava) - are directly related to Native - Prime > > > significance. > > > > House to House - are directly related to House and indirectly > to > > > > native - Secondary significance; Details of items indicated by > > > > Primary significance. > > > > > > > > Eg _1: > > > > 4th : Mother. > > > > Houses from 4th house: Details of Mother. > > > > > > > > Eg _2: > > > > 4th : Native House. > > > > Houses from 4th house: Details of Native House. > > > > > > > > Eg _3: > > > > 2th : Face. > > > > Houses from 2th house: Details of Face. > > > > > > > > Yes, 'Bhavat Bhavam' is one of the straight forward, well > known, > > > > fundamental rule used for result derivation. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , sairam nat > > > > <sairaman53@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sairaman > > > > > > > > > > goodmorning all members > > > > > > > > > > re garding bhavathvam i have something to ay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there aretwo divisions in astrology like a coin 2 sides > > > > > > > > > > one that isdirectly connected to lagna like education > sickness > > > > accidents etc > > > > > > > > > > we cannot a proxy for our thirst sleep for job education etc > > > unless > > > > we go to job personally work there we cannot salary > > > > > > > > > > a vechicle money property may owned by any enjoyed by others > > > > > > > > > > the lagna sufferes any thing connected to 8and 12th houswe of > > > lagna > > > > rest ofthe bhavas from the bhavams do not much affect the > native as > > > > such for eg > > > > > > > > > > if 10th lord in 5th it is 8th of 10th it is no away affects > the > > > > native as the 5th 9th etc are verygood bhava for the native > from > > > the > > > > lagna whever lagna suffers the native suffers > > > > > > > > > > so connecting each bhava to other may not affect the > > > lagnathipathi > > > > the native is not affected much > > > > > > > > > > education sleep enjoyment happniness the state of mind thirst > > > > hunger etc etc all the individual 3enjoys cannot be transfered > to > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > i have my 10th lord saturn in my 5th house i have much > worrying > > > > many years back after experience i have come to conclusion it > never > > > > affected me i have good job well respected by boss going well > for > > > > past 34 years with some good changes for betterment well > > > experienced > > > > in so many different fields in job i am so happy as the 5th > house > > > is > > > > houe of poorvapunya all my big bosses so intimately personally > > > > attached to me with good affection and love > > > > > > > > > > bhavath bhavam is a very good concept however while expecting > > > > results as such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank y all with my wishes and regards > > > > > > > > > > rk dash <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sunil, Lalit Saab, Sreenadh and friends, > > > > > > > > > > My bit. Bhavat bhavam is an operator of a rule, thus has its > > > > ambit. And I expect we all know it. If we push it beyond the > ambit, > > > > the outcome will be illogic. Lalit Saab is right. 4th being > 12th > > > from > > > > 5th should by bhavat bhavam logic cause attrition to/ take away > > > from > > > > 5th. The same would go for 9th w.r.t. 10th. But nothing > untoward > > > > happens to 10th if, for example, its lord goes to 9th. My > personal > > > > experience, really personal, says nothing untoward happens. I > have > > > > come across interpretation which expounds retirement from 9th. > Yes, > > > > in the former pair, the maximus that can happen is children (or > one > > > > of them) may live away from the ancestral home of the native. I > > > know > > > > of at least one such chart. > > > > > > > > > > So, don't we know where bhavat bhavam holds, where it holds > not? > > > > We do. But justificatory haste puts paid to sound derivation. > > > > > > > > > > Sreenaadh, in your file, have you also taken care of the goof > > > > that 7th is 4th from 3rd and about a page's wonderment as to > how to > > > > reconcile self's mother and coborn's? 7th is 4th from 4th, ergo > it > > > > reduplicates some of the significations of 4th. Mind you, not > all > > > of > > > > them. And the one that is not is '4th as mother'. Yes, 4th as > > > asset, > > > > etc is mirrored by 7th. Bhavat bhavam in 7th (4th from 4th) > cannot > > > > clash with turya (source) of 4th, with 4th as mother. 7th -- > that > > > > which confronts you, the other that you interact with -- is > > > PRIMARILY > > > > & IRREFRAGABLY spouse, partner and the like, so 'mother' > > > > reduplication drops off. > > > > > > > > > > We'll try to be lively but unerring. > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > > > > It is inside the folder named " Sreenadh " . But I am yet to > upload > > > > the > > > > > updated file, I will try to do it by today evening. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , " litsol " > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadh. > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't see this document in the file section, can u tell > me > > > in > > > > > what > > > > > > folder this pdf is there. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > > > > > > It is applicable everywhere. I have already address this > > > doubt > > > > > in > > > > > > > detail in my modified document on " Lagna lord in various > > > > > > houses.pdf " > > > > > > > file. So I will spare my energy - not trying to explain > it > > > > here. I > > > > > > > will try to upload the document possibly by today evening > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " litsol " > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had doubts, i m trying to put forth like this - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we apply this logic to 4'th and 5'th houses, 4'th > being > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 5'th should denote some kind of loss to 5'th house, > that i > > > > > think > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is relation between 3'rd and 11'th, 3'rd is 6'th > from > > > > > 11'th, > > > > > > > > 3'rd might be complementary to 11'th but not the > contrary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like if one does efforts, he will have gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " sunil > > > nair " > > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The upachayas are 3,6,10,11 and 6 is both > > > > > > dustana > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > upachaya,Upachaya houses are supposed to be houses of > > > free > > > > > will > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > execute in this life concerned with that bhava and > also > > > > > known > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > of growth .That is why generaly says planets in > upachaya > > > > > gives > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > results . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us take 2nd house and its upachaya houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house being 3rd from 2nd ( house of family or > kutumba > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > born or even this place is to see kula devata > according > > > to > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > maaraga) ,7th house being 6th from 2nd house (house of > > > > > > > > > marriage,partnership and even how we interact with > out > > > side > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > madhana bhava and yatra bhava) ,and 11th house being > 10th > > > > > from > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > ( house of all kinf of gains and incomes ,frnds,and > even > > > > our > > > > > > elder > > > > > > > > > siblings) and the 12th house ( the house of > expenditure > > > and > > > > > > loses > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > even our house of bed room pleasures ) , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if we apply logic we can see all this houses has > a > > > > great > > > > > > say in > > > > > > > > > accumulation of money which is one of the > characteristics > > > > of > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting comments from all scholars and members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree to this point to some extent, It's not > always a > > > > > good > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > understand one house on the basis of how far it is > from > > > > > some > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > there are only 12 houses, so each and every house > comes > > > > > n'th > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 1'st to 12'th from remaining houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better way of understanding the houses is trying to > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > charactersitic like if upchaya say 3rd house, why > 3'rd > > > is > > > > > an > > > > > > > > upachaya > > > > > > > > > > etc. and then learning trikonas like dharma > trikona, > > > > Bhoga > > > > > > trikona > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rk > dash > > > > > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. They probably are from the > Meenaraj > > > > > > > > > > Hora/Horapradeepam sources now that I get to see > your > > > PDF > > > > > > file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I meant when I said: " Examples will of > course > > > pour > > > > > in. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > we have to > > > > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- > from > > > > L1 > > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' > configuration " > > > > is > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > we take up example charts (and we haven't come to > that > > > as > > > > > > yet), we > > > > > > > > > > have to be careful not to confuse any particular > > > > experience > > > > > > > > emanating > > > > > > > > > > from other configurations/patterns and a > bhavashraya > > > > phala > > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > lord. That is how we correctly validate the > derivation > > > in > > > > > > slokas. > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > all know what drama the 'yogaja phala' can > introduce in > > > a > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > task is arduous; it requires rigours. I was doing > some > > > > loud > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > on the methodological rigours staring at us, in > advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went thru your PDF file. Umm, I would say some > of > > > > your > > > > > > logic > > > > > > > > > > searches overshoot themselves. Take this one. The > > > result > > > > of > > > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > > > with lagna lord in 4th house. You say, 4th is 3rd > from > > > > 2nd, > > > > > ie > > > > > > > > > > upachaya from 2nd, which is how. Not very elegant > as a > > > > > > rationale. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > reason, to my mind, is the wealth of siginfications > the > > > > 4th > > > > > > hse > > > > > > > > > > holds -- house, vehicle and what have you. Now, > > > applying > > > > > your > > > > > > > > well- > > > > > > > > > > plucked Rule Four, which says lagna lord amplifies > (the > > > > > > goodness > > > > > > > > of) > > > > > > > > > > the house it goes to, the logic behind wealth is > valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do like your Rule reminders. Commendable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I will take your hugs when we proceed > > > on 'sustained > > > > > > topics' > > > > > > > > > > in a more organised fashion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. The derivations given are good - and > looks as > > > > if > > > > > > solely > > > > > > > > > > > based on " Houses " alone. > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of course pour > in. > > > > But > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > see where a particular result is flowing from -- > from > > > > L1 > > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' > configuration. > > > > You > > > > > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from houses, I don't think anything such as > > > > > > Planet/lords > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > > comes in to play in the derivations you provided. > > > > > > > > > > > *Lord are of Signs; Houses does not have any > lords - > > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > is discarded. > > > > > > > > > > > * Planets are not at all considered in house > based > > > > > > derivation - > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > so the same is discarded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ascertain, the derivations are solely based on > > > > houses, > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > should be the logic behind. Yah, RK ji, you can > > > proceed > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > explaining the logic behid each of those > > > > derivations... > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > rk > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the bhavashraya phala of L1 as found in > the > > > > > > compedium. > > > > > > > > > > > There is an 'result' for the 5th hse, but I 'll > take > > > > time > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > what is meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1st house > > > > > > > > > > > > Healthy, long-lived, king(ly), strong, gain of > land > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Wealthy, engaged in right action, head of the > > > > locality, > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > plenty, corpulent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Has good friends, religiosity, generosity; > brave, > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th hse > > > > > > > > > > > > King's favourite, lives life to the full (could > > > also > > > > > > > > mean 'very > > > > > > > > > > > long-lived,' the expression being prachura- > jivita), > > > > earns > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > means, devoted to father, voracious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Good children, engaged in good deeds, has > humility, > > > > > known > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > good qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Healthy, strong, gain of land, miserly, rich, > > > subdues > > > > > > > > enemies, on > > > > > > > > > > > the side of good deeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Brilliant, good manners, cultured wife, spends > > > > himself > > > > > > fast > > > > > > > > > > > during coitus, good-looking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Miserly, unreliable in financial matters, very > long- > > > > > > lived, > > > > > > > > harsh > > > > > > > > > > > in speech if the planet is a malefic, large > physique > > > if > > > > a > > > > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Good people are his friends, good deeds, > balanced > > > > > (without > > > > > > > > > > > extremes), cultured, known for his good deeds, > > > brilliant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Gains from ruler (state), learned, cultured, > > > reverent > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > > guru and mother, king, famous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Long-lived, has progeny, spends himself fast > during > > > > > > coitus, > > > > > > > > > > > powerful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th hse > > > > > > > > > > > > Harsh speech, very sharp mind, goes abroad, a > free > > > > > loader > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the rationale. Examples will of couse pour > in. > > > > But > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > to see where a particular result is flowing from - > - > > > > from > > > > > L1 > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > particular hse, or other planet/lords' > configuration. > > > > You > > > > > > agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know of a compendium in vernacular which > collates > > > > the > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > (best > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > the compiler thought any particular aspect from > a > > > > > classic > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be) > > > > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord > going > > > to > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > houses) > > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you provide the results derived/provided by > > > that > > > > > book > > > > > > > > > > for " lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > lord going to various houses " ? That could be > much > > > > > > beneficial > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > current study - we will try to find the logic > used > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > derivations, and accept or reject each of those > > > > > > derivations; > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > usual > > > > > > > > > > > > based on conditions such as - > > > > > > > > > > > > * logical or not > > > > > > > > > > > > * Real life experience supports the same or not > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter whether the source mention or > the > > > > > > Sanskrit > > > > > > > > > > > original > > > > > > > > > > > > is available or not - as long as the > derivations > > > are > > > > > > logical, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > reflect the actual experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'material' looks very insightful stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is very good point - which itself I think > > > > indicate > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > be valuable material. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , rk > > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, Sree, that about sums up the scenario on > one > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > 7- > > > > > > > > fold > > > > > > > > > > > > method. But the search, esp. for rishi hora > source > > > > must > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > know of a compedium in vernacular which > collates > > > the > > > > > best > > > > > > > > (best > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > compiler thought any particular aspect from a > > > classic > > > > > to > > > > > > be) > > > > > > > > > > > > available, which goes into this aspect (lord > going > > > to > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > houses) but there is no source mention for the > > > > portion > > > > > > nor is > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > the Sanskrit original for it unlike most other > > > > portions > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > compendium. Nevertheless the 'material' looks > very > > > > > > insightful > > > > > > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is things like this that I had in mind. > Let's > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we have to agree on who next to Parasara > we > > > > take > > > > > on > > > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. You have named two: Meenaraja > Hora, > > > and > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who else? We don't have to go by the overall > > > > > reputation > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > text. > > > > > > > > > > > > > We may narrow down our selection to the > aspect of > > > > > > > > > > interpretation > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > question in a treatise that may not otherwise > be > > > > > rated > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > high. > > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > > > > say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/- > ies > > > or > > > > > > > > classics? > > > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > > > This question is really difficult to > answer. > > > > Apart > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara > > > > > > > > > > > > > (for whom various versions of the slokas are > > > > > available > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same in > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost all instances) Meena Raja Hora > discusses > > > it. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Meena Raja Hora is mentioned with utmost > > > > > > importance in > > > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > Ratna > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well (at times they slightly variant > versions > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > slokas > > > > > > > > > > > > > available in current printed verion of Meena > raja > > > > > > hora). > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > > > pradeepam is a text quoted with reverance by > the > > > > > auther > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e. Nrisimha Daivanjna), a well known > scholar > > > of > > > > > 17th > > > > > > > > > > century. > > > > > > > > > > > Thus - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meenaraja hora gets double importance since > > > > supported > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > Ratna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Pradeepam gets double importance since > > > > supported > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > Sara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other later day texts MIGHT have > discussed > > > > the > > > > > > same at > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > (though not extensively), but I am yet to > make an > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > > > > > > search for > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same in texts like Sarvartha Chintamani, > > > Jataka > > > > > > > > Parijata, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saravali, Phaladeepika etc. One or two > > > rudimentary > > > > > > slokas > > > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same we may find in these texts as well. > Some > > > > > slokas > > > > > > > > > > relevant > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the may find a place in many ancient Rishi > horas > > > > > > (Whereever > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a reference I will quote them for sure). > But > > > > for > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > none > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > other texts (except BPHS, Meenaraja hora, > Hora > > > > > > Pradeepam) > > > > > > > > > > > discusses > > > > > > > > > > > > > this subject extensively in detail as per my > > > > current > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding. As far as ancient texts (Rishi > > > > horas) > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > concerned it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is possible that the slokas that discuss this > > > > subject > > > > > > > > > > extensively > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost, even though they might have done the > same > > > > > (since > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > 7- > > > > > > > > > > > fold > > > > > > > > > > > > > method). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > rk > > > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are homing in on the " pure " point. > > > > That's > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular aspect of interpretation of a > chart is > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > That's > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > way (the part-way) to go about it -- core > task, > > > > > > winkling the > > > > > > > > > > > secrets > > > > > > > > > > > > > out of a chart. Now we have to agree on who > next > > > > to > > > > > > > > Parasara we > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > on board for comparision. You have named two: > > > > > Meenaraja > > > > > > > > Hora, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeepam. Who else? We don't have to go by > the > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > > > > reputation of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the text. We may narrow down our selection to > the > > > > > > aspect of > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation in question in a treatise that > may > > > > not > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > rated very high. What say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So who else? I mean which other authority/- > ies > > > or > > > > > > > > classics? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sotto Voce: I don't want us, you and me, to > be > > > > > > cynosures > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > > > > > > galaxy of) our star-gazers in this firmament. > > > > > Onlookers > > > > > > all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right - to the point. I agree. But > as > > > far > > > > > as > > > > > > LL > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > to H-7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is concerned, the special point regarding ' > if > > > LL > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > malefic' > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned in the sloka itself; there for we > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > discount > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > as far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the prediction related to the same given > in > > > > the > > > > > > sloka > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other results regarding LL in H-7 > (which we > > > > > would > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > detail as this discussion progresses) I > agree > > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic and argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as LL in H-5 is concerned, I think > there > > > > > could > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned under consideration (for BPHS > > > > results) > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same is NOT mentioned in the sloka. But as > you > > > > have > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > stated, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the normal expected result for the same > SHOULD > > > > > > > > BE ''susuta' > > > > > > > > > > > (good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, or birth of children). Let us keep > this > > > > > doubt > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cross verify the results with the > derivations > > > > given > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > texts and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come to a logical conclusion/derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We always have 2 options open to cross > check > > > the > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by BPHS in this context- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Cross verify the results with the > > > predictions > > > > > > given in > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts (especially Meenaraja Hora & Hora > > > Pradeepam) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Compare the predicted results with > actual > > > > > results > > > > > > > > observed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But still, the base rule as you pointed out > is - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > > > the 'ruling' > > > > > > is: > > > > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors > > > clearly > > > > > > > > discounted. > > > > > > > > > > > Clear? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To state in other words, the base rule is - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " LL going to H-1, H-2, H-3 etc ONLY should > be > > > > > > considered, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > factors (such as LL being malefic/benefic, > LL > > > > being > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic/benefic etc) should be clearly > > > discounted " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will even touch this base rule with > > > > corollaries, > > > > > > ONLY > > > > > > > > WHEN > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > special condition is mentioned in the sloka > > > > itself; > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contaminate the result indicated by the > sloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this corollary is not there, I agree to > your > > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > > > > completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , > > > > rk > > > > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep out the factor of > L1 > > > > being > > > > > a > > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic -- the logic you have used for > those > > > > > outcomes > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > > > > going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th hse (death of first child, > > > uninterested > > > > in > > > > > > > > life/wife > > > > > > > > > > > etc). If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we must, then we have to qualify the > deduction, > > > > > > > > saying " where > > > > > > > > > > L- > > > > > > > > > > > 5 (or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L-7) is a malefic or is afflicted " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are concerned at this stage of > > > > > the 'ruling' > > > > > > is: > > > > > > > > L-1 > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H-5, L-1 goes to H-7 etc, other factors > clearly > > > > > > > > discounted. > > > > > > > > > > > Clear? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's carry on, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your concerns are right - important > points > > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > Let > > > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together try to find out the reasons > based on > > > > our > > > > > > logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st : Uncertain in decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in lagna gives the native all > the > > > > good > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > such as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, kindness, softness of mind, > > > > emotional > > > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Result? Uncertainty in decision. I think > this > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis of the above derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd: Many wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is just natural. 2nd and 11th house > > > > signify > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the lagna lord comes in contact with > any > > > > > house > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > native is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure to get the results related to that. > > > Lagna > > > > > lord > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes the native beautiful, talkative, > liked > > > by > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turns out that it is natural to have many > > > > > relations > > > > > > > > > > (wives). > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be noted that for lagna lord in > lagna, > > > > and > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house - 2 wives and many wives are > derived - > > > > NOT > > > > > as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > result, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a good result; indicating that the > native > > > > will > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luxury including women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd : Many kinds of wealth, 2 > wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valorous - thus many kinds of wealth; 3rd > is > > > a > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > > > > > is of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MIXED nature indicating > mixed/various/many > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > That is > > > > > > > > > > > why the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > derivation 'Many kinds of wealth'. 2nd > from > > > > 2nd - > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > kinds > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth - i think this is why you doubt > that > > > it > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > bhavat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhavam. 2 wives - i have no idea supply > in > > > this > > > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th: Lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th: Angry, loss of the 1st > child > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, any affliction > to it > > > > can > > > > > > affect > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and lagna equally - making a double > > > > impact. > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prediction 'loss of child'. Why 1st > child - > > > 5th > > > > > > signify > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > > child > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more i doubt. Possibly here Parasara > deviates > > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional prediction owing to the > > > > possibility > > > > > > > > of 'double > > > > > > > > > > > > impact' i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think. The standard prediction should be > (we > > > > will > > > > > > > > verify) > > > > > > > > > > > gain of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, as you mentioned. (But first the > child > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > for it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perish - this may make both the > > > derivations > > > > > > > > consistent) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th: Uninterested in worldly > life > > > and > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This applies only if lagna lord is a > malefic. > > > > > > Therefore > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logically ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th: Good health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea as of now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , > > > > > rk > > > > > > dash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good start. I agree. First theoretical > > > > > > consideration > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > we test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the rules against actual charts. Here's a > > > small > > > > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examination of lagna lord's bhavashraya > phala > > > > in > > > > > > BHPH. > > > > > > > > I'll > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it by first picking out those phala > (results) > > > > > which > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > self- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evident. Here they are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 1st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncertain in decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many kinds of wealth (bhavat bhavam?), > 2 > > > wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 4th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry, loss of the 1st child > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uninterested in worldly life and wife > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When in 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These results are not easy to discern, > > > given > > > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (the linkage of the the self to the > > > department > > > > > > > > represented > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house the lagna lord tenants) and the > > > sweeping > > > > > good > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brings to the bhava it goes to. Take its > > > > > placement > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5th. > > > > > > > > > > > Why loss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of child at all? Most other works > > > > > declare, 'susuta', > > > > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > progeny. I'll cite one such at a later > stage > > > > for > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > tenancy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as far as 1st lord is concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing I'd like to think aloud > > > about. > > > > > > Rule > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > that any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord that goes to a dusthana will bring > > > > detriment > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > house the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is lord of. Now how do we > reconcile > > > the > > > > L1 > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > > > > ensuring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good health? Will it take care of the > > > attrition > > > > > of > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > (12th > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st hse, ie body) without itself being > > > subject > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > detriment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The primary derivations for Lagna lord > in > > > > > various > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is given below. I invite all to > start a > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per BPHS, for Lagna lord in - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna: healthy body, courageous, > uncertain > > > in > > > > > > > > decisions, > > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > > wives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house: knowledgeable, good > earnings, > > > > > > happiness, > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > habits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > righteous, many wives, good qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house: valorous like a lion, all > kinds > > > > of > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > > wives, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house: love and affection from > healthy > > > > > mother > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longevity, many brothers/sisters, lust, > > > beauty > > > > > and > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house: angry, moderate happiness > from > > > > > > children, > > > > > > > > loss > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born (child), admired by government and > > > > > authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th house: (especially if aspected by > > > > malefics) > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies, bad health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house: (especially if Lagna lord is > a > > > > > > malefic) his > > > > > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die early (or married life will not go > long), > > > > he > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uninterested in worldly life and wife, > will > > > be > > > > > > detached > > > > > > > > > > > towards his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native land and wander/visit many places, > It > > > is > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > won't be much wealthy (he would be a poor > > > man) > > > > or > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be a very wealthy person like a king. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house: master of some branch of > > > > knowledge, > > > > > > > > troubled > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diseases, interested in others wives, > will be > > > > > > > > interested in > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > kinds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of games such as cards, chess, dice, > lottery > > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > on, > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house: lucky, loved by the public, > > > > devotee > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Vishnu, > > > > > > > > > > > > master of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words and oratory, will have good wealth > wife > > > > and > > > > > > > > children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house: admired by government and > > > people > > > > in > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will have a good job), he would be a > > > government > > > > > > servant, > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > popular. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house: much income from many > sources, > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > popularity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (popularity due to good deeds, > celebrity), > > > good > > > > > > > > qualities, > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > wives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house: good health, extravagant > > > without > > > > > > reason, > > > > > > > > > > angry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (especially if not benefics are present > in > > > 12th > > > > > and > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 12th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , > > > > > > manju > > > > > > > > > > > chawla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manjuch2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You Sreenadhji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we would learn this subject in this > > > way.You > > > > > are > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > helping us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start a new discussion on the > > > > > > subject " What > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted for Lagna lord in Various > > > > houses? " - > > > > > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first and then comparison of it with > > > actual > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am careful not to confuse > excellence > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perfection,Excellence-I can reach > > > > for,Perfection > > > > > is > > > > > > > > God's > > > > > > > > > > > > business--- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael J.Fox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check > > > out > > > > > > > > tonight's top > > > > > > > > > > > > picks on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails > as > > > you > > > > > > wish. > > > > > > > > Click > > > > > > > > > > > here to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as > you > > > > > wish. > > > > > > Click > > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. > > > Click > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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