Lagna lord in 5th House ******* Not a Justified Case !!

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Dear Elaine Gardner,

I made ur's chart and if i m not wrong, your lagna is Leo, whereas in the 5'th house jupitor + Saturn are placed, Lagna lord Sun is placed in 10'th house, I m surprised to see it, how it can be a case of lagna lord's placement in 5'th house. In the year 1987 u were runing under Ketu - Sat, when the incident happened, u didnt mention.

 

 

 

 

Birth Date & Time : Mon, 30 May 1960 11:30:00

 

Place of Birth : BOSTON, US

 

Country : USA

 

Latitude : 42 21 N Longitude : 71 3 W

 

regards,

Lalit.

, "Elaine Gardner" <egardner wrote:>> Thank you for your reassurance J…I guess it's a "side effect" of studying> your own chart, (along with others), to see these things.> > For reference, My BD is May 30, 1960, 11:30AM Boston, MA USA , (Long:> 71W03' Lat: 42N21') My son: March 14, 1990, 10:35AM, Tallahassee, FL USA> (Long: 84W15' Lat: 30N25')> > I assure you, I am not looking for "free readings"..just trying to> understand some of what I am learning J> > > > Namaste> > elaine> > > > PS Haha J one more thing…I'm a momma, I think it's part of our "job" to> *responsibly* worry about our children J I just Thank the Divine that my> son had a solid foundation…and hopefully, this stray off his path will be a> VERY short "trip" and he'll return to his practice and studies soon!! He's> an incredible kid, and more than one Pandit said that he's "a very wise old> soul"..so perhaps I shouldn't worry as much!! J> > > > > > Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods." - Ralph Waldo> Emerson> > > > > On Behalf Of zhar bird> Saturday, September 29, 2007 1:43 AM> > RE: Re: Lagna lord in 5th House> > > > Dear Elaine,> You don't have JuR and SaR conjunct in Sag, do you? What's your birth data?> And that of your 17 y.o.?> Your Me is a nice $ making and children making planet, don't be afraid of> it.> Sa in the 5th may have caused your miscarriages (otherwise, with Ju in the> 5th and Me directly aspecting you would have had many more then 3 children)> In any case, don't worry too much about your son: we need all our> experiences and all our mistakes so we can learn from them and grow into our> Divine Humanness. > Namaste> > Elaine Gardner egardner wrote:> > Namaste all J> > Please excuse my ignorance in this matter as I haven't been studying Jyotish> for very long (or rather haven't had the time to devote to it that I should> because of illness)—but I DO have a question concerning 5th House---and my> son.> > Although my LL (Sun) is not placed in 5th, I have JuR and SaR conjunct and> also aspected by a "benific" (Vimshopaka Bala) but Functional malefic> Mercury in 11th (it's own sign) in 5th. As with many things you all have> been talking about—with inauspicious results in regards to sons—I'm also> reading that this placement I have is also very inauspicious for sons. I> have miscarried 2 sons (at 4 and 5 months) and I'm unsure if this is> related, but almost 2 years ago my fiancé died in a freak accident—I was> supposed to adopt his 2 son's 2 days later,…I haven't seen them since.> > I also have a 17year old son..who is my pride and joy. (along with 2> daughters—but, my son was born with the exact mutation of a genetic disorder> that I have—the doctors have NEVER seen this, so he's kind of like my little> twin J ). My son has done excellent all his life—both physically and> academically. Despite also being diagnosed with ADD, I began treating him> with herbal and ayurvedic remedies many years ago and he has excelled in> many different areas. Well, until very recently that is. Long story short> is that I haven't seen my son in over a year. His father basically> kidnapped him and took him overseas. His father is an active alcoholic and> drug addict and in the past 3-4 months my son has been experimenting> also—his dad does nothing about it, and I can't do anything except pray and> talk to him when I can reach him. He is a senior in High School, but is> taking several college courses because of his academic excellence---right> now, he's barely passing. He's more interested in his video games (which he> rarely ever played before) and getting high than studying. He also used to> have a VERY active yoga and meditation practice of his own, has had mantra> initiation and attended the Temple with me frequently having VERY long talks> with the Pandits and elders. He no longer does his practice. I'm> frightened of what might happen and after reading the results of the> combinations I have in my chart—together with my past history.> > What else should I be looking at in my chart, if anything? Is there> anything specific I can look for in his chart---maybe something to give me a> little comfort?> > > > In the meantime, I pray to the Divine Mother for his health and safety and> keep up with my own practice. Until, and unless I can find a legal loophole> to bring him back or force his fathers hand…I really have no direct control> over the situation. Of course, even if he was here, and has a problem with> addiction—it would be tough. BUT, at least he's still a minor for the next> 10 months and I could force *something*.> > I look forward to any response,> > Dhyanaavad,> > elaine> > > > In the Mothers Divine Love> > Jai Ma!!> > > > Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods." - Ralph Waldo> Emerson> > > > > On Behalf Of zhar bird> Friday, September 28, 2007 11:07 PM> > Re: Re: Lagna lord in 5th House> > > > You are very wrong in regards of only male chart would show sex of child.> Study the rest of chart, i.e. other planets in 5th (mars + sun would show> male; Venus - female; Moon, Ju+Me would show more than 1; Sa would limit how> many). The same planets affect sex and number if they rule or, especially,> directly aspect the 5th house and its planets.> > K Gopu kgopu_24 wrote:> > dear learned members,> As i follow the thread on the above topic in relation> to anger if the lagna lord is in 5th bhave, I would> like to share my observations. my observations are not> from text books. I fail to understand as to why 5th> house can give rise to emotional imbalance( anger> being part of emotion). 5th will be more ideal of> progeny because it is 2nd from 4th ( ie addition to> the family). if lagna lord is a malefic it can destroy> the qualities of that bhava. It is like u allow a bad> relative into ur house, he can always destroy the good> atmosphere of the house. anger is more seen if the> lagna lord is in lagna in particular sun, mars. the> anger or the outburst will be due to the native being> a perfectionist and he expects the same from the rest.> In regds to progeny whether a male or female only the> male chart can tell whether he will get a male child> or female. Because the gender chromosome factor ie> XX(female) and XY(male) lies only in sperm of the> individual. I may be wrong, but i wud like learned> astrologers to correct me. > > good wishes,> k.gopu> > ________> Need a vacation? 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Dear Litsol,

 

Please re-read my email:  “Although my LL is NOT in 5th….”

Also, what “incident” happened in 1987…besides my daughter being

born?  My son was born in 1990.

elaine

 

 

In the Divine Mothers Love and Service

Jai Ma!!

 

 

 

 

Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the

gods. " - Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of litsol

Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:28 AM

 

Re: Lagna lord in 5th House *******

Not a Justified Case !!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Elaine Gardner,

I made ur's chart and if i m not wrong, your lagna is Leo, whereas in

the 5'th house jupitor + Saturn are placed, Lagna lord Sun is placed in

10'th house, I m surprised to see it, how it can be a case of lagna

lord's placement in 5'th house. In the year 1987 u were runing under Ketu -

Sat, when the incident happened, u didnt mention.

 

 

 

Birth

Date & Time : Mon,

30 May 1960 11:30:00

 

 

 

 

Place

of Birth : BOSTON, US

 

 

 

 

Country

: USA

 

 

 

 

Latitude

: 42

21 N Longitude : 71 3 W

 

 

 

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

, " Elaine Gardner "

<egardner wrote:

>

> Thank you for your reassurance J…I guess it's a " side effect " of

studying

> your own chart, (along with others), to see these things.

>

> For reference, My BD is May 30, 1960, 11:30AM Boston, MA USA , (Long:

> 71W03' Lat: 42N21') My son: March 14, 1990, 10:35AM, Tallahassee, FL USA

> (Long: 84W15' Lat: 30N25')

>

> I assure you, I am not looking for " free readings " ..just trying

to

> understand some of what I am learning J

>

>

>

> Namaste

>

> elaine

>

>

>

> PS Haha J one more thing…I'm a momma, I think it's part of our

" job " to

> *responsibly* worry about our children J I just Thank the Divine that my

> son had a solid foundation…and hopefully, this stray off his path will be

a

> VERY short " trip " and he'll return to his practice and studies

soon!! He's

> an incredible kid, and more than one Pandit said that he's " a very

wise old

> soul " ..so perhaps I shouldn't worry as much!! J

>

>

>

>

>

> Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods. " - Ralph

Waldo

> Emerson

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of zhar bird

> Saturday, September 29, 2007 1:43 AM

>

> RE: Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

>

>

>

> Dear Elaine,

> You don't have JuR and SaR conjunct in Sag, do you? What's your birth

data?

> And that of your 17 y.o.?

> Your Me is a nice $ making and children making planet, don't be afraid of

> it.

> Sa in the 5th may have caused your miscarriages (otherwise, with Ju in the

> 5th and Me directly aspecting you would have had many more then 3

children)

> In any case, don't worry too much about your son: we need all our

> experiences and all our mistakes so we can learn from them and grow into

our

> Divine Humanness.

> Namaste

>

> Elaine Gardner egardner wrote:

>

> Namaste all J

>

> Please excuse my ignorance in this matter as I haven't been studying

Jyotish

> for very long (or rather haven't had the time to devote to it that I

should

> because of illness)—but I DO have a question concerning 5th House---and my

> son.

>

> Although my LL (Sun) is not placed in 5th, I have JuR and SaR conjunct and

> also aspected by a " benific " (Vimshopaka Bala) but Functional

malefic

> Mercury in 11th (it's own sign) in 5th. As with many things you all have

> been talking about—with inauspicious results in regards to sons—I'm also

> reading that this placement I have is also very inauspicious for sons. I

> have miscarried 2 sons (at 4 and 5 months) and I'm unsure if this is

> related, but almost 2 years ago my fiancé died in a freak accident—I was

> supposed to adopt his 2 son's 2 days later,…I haven't seen them since.

>

> I also have a 17year old son..who is my pride and joy. (along with 2

> daughters—but, my son was born with the exact mutation of a genetic

disorder

> that I have—the doctors have NEVER seen this, so he's kind of like my

little

> twin J ). My son has done excellent all his life—both physically and

> academically. Despite also being diagnosed with ADD, I began treating him

> with herbal and ayurvedic remedies many years ago and he has excelled in

> many different areas. Well, until very recently that is. Long story short

> is that I haven't seen my son in over a year. His father basically

> kidnapped him and took him overseas. His father is an active alcoholic and

> drug addict and in the past 3-4 months my son has been experimenting

> also—his dad does nothing about it, and I can't do anything except pray

and

> talk to him when I can reach him. He is a senior in High School, but is

> taking several college courses because of his academic excellence---right

> now, he's barely passing. He's more interested in his video games (which

he

> rarely ever played before) and getting high than studying. He also used to

> have a VERY active yoga and meditation practice of his own, has had mantra

> initiation and attended the Temple with me frequently having VERY long

talks

> with the Pandits and elders. He no longer does his practice. I'm

> frightened of what might happen and after reading the results of the

> combinations I have in my chart—together with my past history.

>

> What else should I be looking at in my chart, if anything? Is there

> anything specific I can look for in his chart---maybe something to give me

a

> little comfort?

>

>

>

> In the meantime, I pray to the Divine Mother for his health and safety and

> keep up with my own practice. Until, and unless I can find a legal

loophole

> to bring him back or force his fathers hand…I really have no direct

control

> over the situation. Of course, even if he was here, and has a problem with

> addiction—it would be tough. BUT, at least he's still a minor for the next

> 10 months and I could force *something*.

>

> I look forward to any response,

>

> Dhyanaavad,

>

> elaine

>

>

>

> In the Mothers Divine Love

>

> Jai Ma!!

>

>

>

> Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods. " - Ralph

Waldo

> Emerson

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of zhar bird

> Friday, September 28, 2007 11:07 PM

>

> Re: Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

>

>

>

> You are very wrong in regards of only male chart would show sex of child.

> Study the rest of chart, i.e. other planets in 5th (mars + sun would show

> male; Venus - female; Moon, Ju+Me would show more than 1; Sa would limit

how

> many). The same planets affect sex and number if they rule or, especially,

> directly aspect the 5th house and its planets.

>

> K Gopu kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear learned members,

> As i follow the thread on the above topic in relation

> to anger if the lagna lord is in 5th bhave, I would

> like to share my observations. my observations are not

> from text books. I fail to understand as to why 5th

> house can give rise to emotional imbalance( anger

> being part of emotion). 5th will be more ideal of

> progeny because it is 2nd from 4th ( ie addition to

> the family). if lagna lord is a malefic it can destroy

> the qualities of that bhava. It is like u allow a bad

> relative into ur house, he can always destroy the good

> atmosphere of the house. anger is more seen if the

> lagna lord is in lagna in particular sun, mars. the

> anger or the outburst will be due to the native being

> a perfectionist and he expects the same from the rest.

> In regds to progeny whether a male or female only the

> male chart can tell whether he will get a male child

> or female. Because the gender chromosome factor ie

> XX(female) and XY(male) lies only in sperm of the

> individual. I may be wrong, but i wud like learned

> astrologers to correct me.

>

> good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

> ________

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