Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Om Namah Shivaya Dear narayan Does lagna lord give learning? regards partha om tat sat varahamihira , " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan@s...> wrote: > Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || > > Pranaam Gurudeva, > > BVRaman in " How to Judge a Horoscope - Vol 1 " and Yourself in " COVA " > have given that > > " Lagna Lord in 8H indicates a Learned person. " > > Why is this so? > > My Reason: > ---------- > > 8th House is house of unknown and hence Lagna lord there gives > knowledge about the same .... hence... makes on a learned person. > And moreover this would be true for natural malefics as beneifics in > 8th from its sign destroys the Lagna!! Further AL will fall in 3H, > which as per COVA ... is house showing Mental Strength and > Intelligence whereby Personal Skill is developed. > > Is my logic correct here??? Please guide me. > > Thanks > Warm Regards > > -Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || Dear Partha, The sign occupied by Lagna Lord is called Paka Lagna and represents the Intelligence!! So the position of Lagna Lord, the sign etc are of paramount importance. Warm Regards Narayan varahamihira , " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu5> wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya > > Dear narayan > > Does lagna lord give learning? > regards > partha > om tat sat > > varahamihira , " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan@s...> > wrote: > > Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || > > > > Pranaam Gurudeva, > > > > BVRaman in " How to Judge a Horoscope - Vol 1 " and Yourself > in " COVA " > > have given that > > > > " Lagna Lord in 8H indicates a Learned person. " > > > > Why is this so? > > > > My Reason: > > ---------- > > > > 8th House is house of unknown and hence Lagna lord there gives > > knowledge about the same .... hence... makes on a learned person. > > And moreover this would be true for natural malefics as beneifics > in > > 8th from its sign destroys the Lagna!! Further AL will fall in 3H, > > which as per COVA ... is house showing Mental Strength and > > Intelligence whereby Personal Skill is developed. > > > > Is my logic correct here??? Please guide me. > > > > Thanks > > Warm Regards > > > > -Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Narayana, If I might intervene, the reason is that Lagna Lord aspects 2nd house. Chandrashekhar. ---- varahamihira Friday, May 30, 2003 09:54:23 AM varahamihira |Sri Varaha| Lagna Lord in 8th House Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha ||Pranaam Gurudeva,BVRaman in "How to Judge a Horoscope - Vol 1" and Yourself in "COVA" have given that "Lagna Lord in 8H indicates a Learned person."Why is this so?My Reason:----------8th House is house of unknown and hence Lagna lord there gives knowledge about the same .... hence... makes on a learned person. And moreover this would be true for natural malefics as beneifics in 8th from its sign destroys the Lagna!! Further AL will fall in 3H, which as per COVA ... is house showing Mental Strength and Intelligence whereby Personal Skill is developed.Is my logic correct here??? Please guide me.ThanksWarm Regards-Narayan|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear all, Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in 8th house'. ======================================================= Lagna lord in 8th House =================== If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but will have good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money and will not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a pale yellowish one. If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high efficiency in some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will indulge in immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his wife). He will be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an angry individual with an unsettled mind. - Parasara Hora High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from 10th (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in work. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th is a malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to body and health (lagna) - i.e. disease. Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) from 6th (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many wives). Again 8th being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. Further 8th house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the above, the result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be derived. Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th signifies a weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this makes the native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear enough. A better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th aspects 2nd house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native would waste much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and immoral activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not satisfactory. Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd (upachaya; growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad qualities signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a weak mind' - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is concerned. Thus the native will have many blind beliefs. Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted below. If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very angry person as well. - Parasara Hora Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the first quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the help he received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much money and will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a pale yellowish one. - Meenaraja Hora The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th house. He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th aspects, 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why this derivation. Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord in 8th gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But don't forget that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) causing bad health (diseases) as well. Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, the same has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) causes the derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna lord in malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted below- If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be stay or warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. Diseases would trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, or not directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause trouble. He will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may have to leave his native place. - Phaladeepika Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in quoting the above Meenara hora sloka itself. The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, longevity, addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and dedication to the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th generates special importance to the derivations related to the same. ======================================================= Love, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear All The explanations given by shri Sreenadh is based on bahavat bhavam and are valid.Kindly find some personal thoughts. 8th is the house of unknown/unseen/occult etc.If the Jatka is subjected to such an environment(LL in 8th) he will be interested in research and continious digging towards something which is yet to be discovered.Thus the efficiency and fame in some field when all other indications are positive. Speculation or Gambling is to involve oneself or to expect gains from something which is hidden.Thus LL in 8th will give one, such an interest. 8th house is also the house of Guhya Bhagas including sexual organs.It also signifies secret place and acts.It is also the growth house of 7th(2nd from 7th).It is also 12th from dharma sthana - lacking in morals.Thus one can indulge in secret sexual relationships - benefic inlfuences will save though. Regds Pradeep , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in 8th > house'. > > ======================================================= > > Lagna lord in 8th House > > =================== > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient in the > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, > theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > a very angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but > will have good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much > money and will not be thankful to the help he received form others. If > the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad > and cruel words and his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high efficiency in > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will indulge > in immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his wife). He > will be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an angry > individual with an unsettled mind. > > - Parasara Hora > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from 10th > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in > work. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th is a > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to body and > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) from 6th > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many wives). Again > 8th being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. Further > 8th house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the > above, the result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can > be derived. > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th signifies a > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this makes the > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear > enough. A better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in > 8th aspects 2nd house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the > native would waste much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative > games and immoral activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too > is not satisfactory. > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd > (upachaya; growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad > qualities signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body > causes a weak mind' - is of special importance as far as lagna lord > in 8th is concerned. Thus the native will have many blind beliefs. > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted > below. > > If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral > activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such as > dice or lottery, theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women and > so on. He would be a very angry person as well. > > - Parasara Hora > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the first > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the help he > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much money > and will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a > malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would > be a pale yellowish one. > > - Meenaraja Hora > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th house. > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th > aspects, 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is > why this derivation. > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord in 8th > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But don't > forget that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) > causing bad health (diseases) as well. > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, the > same has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) > causes the derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel > words' > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna lord in > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted below- > > If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be stay or > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. Diseases > would trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, > or not directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause > trouble. He will lose his position and reputation due to all this and > may have to leave his native place. > > - Phaladeepika > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in quoting the > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, > longevity, addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and > dedication to the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of > lagna lord in 8th generates special importance to the derivations > related to the same. > > ======================================================= > > Love, > > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, There is one more possibility why the native will be efficient in learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of learning. Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. Regards,Udupa On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear all, Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in 8th house'. ======================================================= Lagna lord in 8th House =================== If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but will have good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money and will not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a pale yellowish one. If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high efficiency in some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will indulge in immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his wife). He will be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an angry individual with an unsettled mind. - Parasara Hora High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from 10th (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in work. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th is a malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to body and health (lagna) - i.e. disease. Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) from 6th (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many wives). Again 8th being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. Further 8th house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the above, the result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be derived. Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th signifies a weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this makes the native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear enough. A better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th aspects 2nd house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native would waste much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and immoral activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not satisfactory. Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd (upachaya; growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad qualities signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a weak mind' - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is concerned. Thus the native will have many blind beliefs. Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted below. If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very angry person as well. - Parasara Hora Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the first quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the help he received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much money and will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a pale yellowish one. - Meenaraja Hora The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th house. He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th aspects, 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why this derivation. Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord in 8th gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But don't forget that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) causing bad health (diseases) as well. Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, the same has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) causes the derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna lord in malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted below- If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be stay or warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. Diseases would trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, or not directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause trouble. He will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may have to leave his native place. - Phaladeepika Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in quoting the above Meenara hora sloka itself. The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, longevity, addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and dedication to the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th generates special importance to the derivations related to the same. ======================================================= Love, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji, Wow! Beutifully said!! ==> Point -1 -------- > 8th is the house of unknown/unseen/occult etc.If the Jatka is > subjected to such an environment(LL in 8th) he will be interested > in research and continious digging towards something which is yet > to be discovered.Thus the efficiency and fame in some field when > all other indications are positive. Point -2 -------- > Speculation or Gambling is to involve oneself or to expect gains > from something which is hidden.Thus LL in 8th will give one, such > an interest. Point -3 -------- > 8th house is also the house of Guhya Bhagas including sexual > organs.It also signifies secret place and acts.It is also the > growth house of 7th(2nd from 7th).It is also 12th from dharma > sthana - lacking in morals.Thus one can indulge in secret sexual > relationships - benefic inlfuences will save though. <== I was feeling some void, while writing about 8th house - you filled it! Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear All > > The explanations given by shri Sreenadh is based on bahavat bhavam > and are valid.Kindly find some personal thoughts. > > 8th is the house of unknown/unseen/occult etc.If the Jatka is > subjected to such an environment(LL in 8th) he will be interested in > research and continious digging towards something which is yet to be > discovered.Thus the efficiency and fame in some field when all other > indications are positive. > > Speculation or Gambling is to involve oneself or to expect gains > from something which is hidden.Thus LL in 8th will give one, such an > interest. > > 8th house is also the house of Guhya Bhagas including sexual > organs.It also signifies secret place and acts.It is also the growth > house of 7th(2nd from 7th).It is also 12th from dharma sthana - > lacking in morals.Thus one can indulge in secret sexual > relationships - benefic inlfuences will save though. > > Regds > Pradeep > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in 8th > > house'. > > > > ======================================================= > > > > Lagna lord in 8th House > > > > =================== > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient > in the > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or > lottery, > > theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He > would be > > a very angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases > but > > will have good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating > much > > money and will not be thankful to the help he received form > others. If > > the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will > use bad > > and cruel words and his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high > efficiency in > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will > indulge > > in immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his > wife). He > > will be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an > angry > > individual with an unsettled mind. > > > > - Parasara Hora > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from > 10th > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency > in > > work. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly > signify high > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th > is a > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to body > and > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) > from 6th > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many wives). > Again > > 8th being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. > Further > > 8th house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all > the > > above, the result, immoral sexual activities with many other women > can > > be derived. > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th > signifies a > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this makes > the > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear > > enough. A better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet > in > > 8th aspects 2nd house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; > the > > native would waste much money unnecessarily - possibly in > speculative > > games and immoral activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this > logic too > > is not satisfactory. > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd > > (upachaya; growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of > the bad > > qualities signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body > > causes a weak mind' - is of special importance as far as lagna lord > > in 8th is concerned. Thus the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > quoted > > below. > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > > efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral > > activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games > such as > > dice or lottery, theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women > and > > so on. He would be a very angry person as well. > > > > - Parasara Hora > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the > first > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the > help he > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much > money > > and will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a > > malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and his body > would > > be a pale yellowish one. > > > > - Meenaraja Hora > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th > house. > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th > > aspects, 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - > that is > > why this derivation. > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord in > 8th > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But don't > > forget that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) > > causing bad health (diseases) as well. > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, > the > > same has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house > (words) > > causes the derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel > > words' > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna > lord in > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted > below- > > > > If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be > stay or > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. > Diseases > > would trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were > unnecessary, > > or not directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause > > trouble. He will lose his position and reputation due to all this > and > > may have to leave his native place. > > > > - Phaladeepika > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in > quoting the > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, > > longevity, addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery > and > > dedication to the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the > placement of > > lagna lord in 8th generates special importance to the derivations > > related to the same. > > > > ======================================================= > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Dear Haridas ji, The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then why not to Square (Kendra)? From 2nd - 8th is Kendra From 4rd - 8th is Trikona From 5th - 8th is Kenda From 11th - 8th is Trikona From 12th - 8th is Kendara What will you derive from them? Love, Sreenadh , " Haridas Udupa " <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > There is one more possibility why the native will be efficient in > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of learning. > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > Regards, > Udupa > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in 8th house'. > > > > ======================================================= > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > *===================* > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient in the > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but will have > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money and will > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the lagna lord > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high efficiency in > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will indulge in > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his wife). He will > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an angry > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from 10th > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in work. > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th is a > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to body and > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) from 6th > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many wives). Again 8th > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. Further 8th > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the above, the > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be derived. > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th signifies a > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this makes the > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear enough. A > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th aspects 2nd > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native would waste > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and immoral > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not satisfactory. > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd (upachaya; > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad qualities > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a weak mind' > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is concerned. Thus > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted > > below. > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very efficient > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very > > angry person as well.* > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the first > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the help he > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much money and > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a pale > > yellowish one.* > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th house. > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th aspects, > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why this > > derivation. > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord in 8th > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But don't forget > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) causing bad > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, the same > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) causes the > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna lord in > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted below- > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be stay or > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. Diseases would > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, or not > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause trouble. He > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may have to leave > > his native place.* > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in quoting the > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, longevity, > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and dedication to > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the same. > > > > ======================================================= > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 .....So Sreenadh Ji If we are not giving importance to trines and then kendras... then the below statement written by you does not hold good. Your statement is "Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) from 6th (immoral sex). " The above statement is not true. Person might go into immoral sex because of 8th house properties not because of its in 3rd from 6th. Best Regards Jagdish Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Haridas ji,The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then why not to Square (Kendra)? :)From 2nd - 8th is KendraFrom 4rd - 8th is TrikonaFrom 5th - 8th is KendaFrom 11th - 8th is TrikonaFrom 12th - 8th is KendaraWhat will you derive from them?Love,Sreenadh , "Haridas Udupa" <ahudupa wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh,> There is one more possibility why the native will be efficient in> learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of learning.> Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th.> Regards,> Udupa> > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear all,> >> > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in 8th house'.> >> > =======================================================> >> > *Lagna lord in 8th House*> >> > *===================*> >> > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient in the> > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing> > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft,> > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very> > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but will have> > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money and will> > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the lagna lord> > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and> > his body would be a pale yellowish one.> >> > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high efficiency in> > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will indulge in> > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his wife). He will> > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an angry> > individual with an unsettled mind.*> >> > *- Parasara Hora*> >> > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from 10th> > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in work.> > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high> > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession.> >> > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th is a> > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to body and> > health (lagna) - i.e. disease.> >> > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) from 6th> > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many wives). Again 8th> > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. Further 8th> > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the above, the> > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be derived.> >> > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th signifies a> > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this makes the> > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since> > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear enough. A> > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th aspects 2nd> > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native would waste> > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and immoral> > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not satisfactory.> >> > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd (upachaya;> > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad qualities> > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a weak mind'> > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is concerned. Thus> > the native will have many blind beliefs.> >> > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted> > below.> >> > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very efficient> > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as> > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft,> > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very> > angry person as well.*> >> > - *Parasara Hora*> >> > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the first> > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say.> >> > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the help he> > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much money and> > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then> > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a pale> > yellowish one.*> >> > *- Meenaraja Hora*> >> > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th house.> >> > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th aspects,> > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why this> > derivation.> >> > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord in 8th> > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But don't forget> > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) causing bad> > health (diseases) as well.> >> > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, the same> > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) causes the> > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words'> >> > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body.> >> > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna lord in> > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted below-> >> > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be stay or> > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. Diseases would> > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, or not> > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause trouble. He> > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may have to leave> > his native place.*> >> > *- Phaladeepika*> >> > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in quoting the> > above Meenara hora sloka itself.> >> > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to> > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, longevity,> > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and dedication to> > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th> > generates special importance to the derivations related to the same.> >> > =======================================================> >> > Love,> >> > Sreenadh> >> > > >> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 A have a question here regarding "immoral sex" What is immoral sex ? A person goes to a prostitute. He pays for her time and services. He enjoys his time with her. And then the guy is back home. The prostitute gets money. She pays her taxes and makes her bread and butter. The same prostitute is very happy if some customer with big name and fame come to enjoy her services. A software engineer (a prostitute of mental level) sells his skills to big people (personification of Infosys and such companies). Software Engineer gets paid for his time and services. Infosys (and such companies) enjoys their time with software engineer. The software engineer gets money. He pays taxes and makes his bread and butter. The same software engineer is very happy if some customer with big name and face come to enjoy his services (such as IBM and Microsoft). Why a software engineer is not "looked down" like a prostitute is looked down in the indian society. Why we dont see software engineer from 8th house ? Next issue - In US, Laws are above God. Mormons (a denomination of christanity) allows you to have multiple wives at a time. Laws say you cant have more than one at a given point of time. So question arises - what is immoral ? To have more than one wife at a time is immoral ? In Los Vegas, Prostitution is LEGAL. If a person visits a prostitute in Los Vegas, then there is nothing wrong with this. Law allows you to have fun over there. So can we say that prostitution is MORAL in los vegas ? There are many marriage which are called "Open Marriages". The new custom of Open Marriages is also somewhat prevalent in the rich people of India. Husband and Wife allows each other to have sex outside marriage. Is it immoral act ? ...So by all these case-studies, my aim was to know from you guys that what is the definition of immoral ? With the advancement in human society, its IMMORAL to say that that LL in 8th house will take the person to prostitute or immoral sexual activities. We should say that if a person has LL in 8th house then he is "SEX-MINDED". Any new idea or criticism is welcomed. Thanks Jagdish Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Pradeep ji,Wow! Beutifully said!!==>Point -1--------> 8th is the house of unknown/unseen/occult etc.If the Jatka is > subjected to such an environment(LL in 8th) he will be interested > in research and continious digging towards something which is yet > to be discovered.Thus the efficiency and fame in some field when > all other indications are positive.Point -2--------> Speculation or Gambling is to involve oneself or to expect gains > from something which is hidden.Thus LL in 8th will give one, such > an interest.Point -3--------> 8th house is also the house of Guhya Bhagas including sexual > organs.It also signifies secret place and acts.It is also the > growth house of 7th(2nd from 7th).It is also 12th from dharma > sthana - lacking in morals.Thus one can indulge in secret sexual > relationships - benefic inlfuences will save though.<==I was feeling some void, while writing about 8th house - you filled it! :)Love and Hugs,Sreenadh , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:>> Dear All> > The explanations given by shri Sreenadh is based on bahavat bhavam > and are valid.Kindly find some personal thoughts.> > 8th is the house of unknown/unseen/occult etc.If the Jatka is > subjected to such an environment(LL in 8th) he will be interested in > research and continious digging towards something which is yet to be > discovered.Thus the efficiency and fame in some field when all other > indications are positive.> > Speculation or Gambling is to involve oneself or to expect gains > from something which is hidden.Thus LL in 8th will give one, such an > interest.> > 8th house is also the house of Guhya Bhagas including sexual > organs.It also signifies secret place and acts.It is also the growth > house of 7th(2nd from 7th).It is also 12th from dharma sthana -> lacking in morals.Thus one can indulge in secret sexual > relationships - benefic inlfuences will save though.> > Regds> Pradeep> , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear all,> > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in 8th> > house'.> > > > =======================================================> > > > Lagna lord in 8th House> > > > ===================> > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient > in the> > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as> > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or > lottery,> > theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He > would be> > a very angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases > but> > will have good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating > much> > money and will not be thankful to the help he received form > others. If> > the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will > use bad> > and cruel words and his body would be a pale yellowish one.> > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high > efficiency in> > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will > indulge> > in immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his > wife). He> > will be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an > angry> > individual with an unsettled mind.> > > > - Parasara Hora> > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from > 10th> > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency > in> > work. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly > signify high> > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession.> > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th > is a> > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to body > and> > health (lagna) - i.e. disease.> > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) > from 6th> > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many wives). > Again> > 8th being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. > Further> > 8th house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all > the> > above, the result, immoral sexual activities with many other women > can> > be derived.> > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th > signifies a> > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this makes > the> > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since> > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear> > enough. A better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet > in> > 8th aspects 2nd house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; > the> > native would waste much money unnecessarily - possibly in > speculative> > games and immoral activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this > logic too> > is not satisfactory.> > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd> > (upachaya; growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of > the bad> > qualities signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body> > causes a weak mind' - is of special importance as far as lagna lord> > in 8th is concerned. Thus the native will have many blind beliefs.> > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > quoted> > below.> > > > If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very> > efficient in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral> > activities such as playing speculative and money wasting games > such as> > dice or lottery, theft, indulging in sexual acts with others women > and> > so on. He would be a very angry person as well.> > > > - Parasara Hora> > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the > first> > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say.> > > > If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the > help he> > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much > money> > and will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a> > malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and his body > would> > be a pale yellowish one.> > > > - Meenaraja Hora> > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th > house.> > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th> > aspects, 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - > that is> > why this derivation.> > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord in > 8th> > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But don't> > forget that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body)> > causing bad health (diseases) as well.> > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, > the> > same has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house > (words)> > causes the derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel> > words'> > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body.> > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna > lord in> > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted > below-> > > > If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be > stay or> > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. > Diseases> > would trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were > unnecessary,> > or not directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause> > trouble. He will lose his position and reputation due to all this > and> > may have to leave his native place.> > > > - Phaladeepika> > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in > quoting the> > above Meenara hora sloka itself.> > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to> > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness,> > longevity, addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery > and> > dedication to the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the > placement of> > lagna lord in 8th generates special importance to the derivations> > related to the same.> > > > =======================================================> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> >> Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Dear Mr. Sreenadh,We need to give more importance to trines as compared to kendras for the simple reason that they have the same Tatwas. Kendras become imprtant from the mode of action like chara stira, ubhaya. Tatwas indicate the inherent qualities and therefore there is greater support from the trines. Kendras, many a time, have opposing Tatwas like Agni and Jala. (May be for that reason western astrology considers square aspect as adverse.) Please let me have your views.Regards,UdupaOn 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Haridas ji, The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then why not to Square (Kendra)? From 2nd - 8th is Kendra From 4rd - 8th is Trikona From 5th - 8th is Kenda From 11th - 8th is Trikona From 12th - 8th is Kendara What will you derive from them? Love, Sreenadh , " Haridas Udupa " <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > There is one more possibility why the native will be efficient in > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of learning. > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > Regards, > Udupa > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in 8th house'. > > > > ======================================================= > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > *===================* > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient in the > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but will have > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money and will > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the lagna lord > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high efficiency in > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will indulge in > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his wife). He will > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an angry > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from 10th > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in work. > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th is a > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to body and > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) from 6th > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many wives). Again 8th > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. Further 8th > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the above, the > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be derived. > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th signifies a > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this makes the > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear enough. A > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th aspects 2nd > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native would waste > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and immoral > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not satisfactory. > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd (upachaya; > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad qualities > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a weak mind' > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is concerned. Thus > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted > > below. > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very efficient > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very > > angry person as well.* > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the first > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the help he > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much money and > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a pale > > yellowish one.* > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th house. > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th aspects, > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why this > > derivation. > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord in 8th > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But don't forget > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) causing bad > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, the same > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) causes the > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna lord in > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted below- > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be stay or > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. Diseases would > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, or not > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause trouble. He > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may have to leave > > his native place.* > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in quoting the > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, longevity, > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and dedication to > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the same. > > > > ======================================================= > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Dear Mr.Shreenadh, One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen for the same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. B udha is lord of Vayu and Prthvi Rashis.Regards,UdupaOn 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Haridas ji, The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then why not to Square (Kendra)? From 2nd - 8th is Kendra From 4rd - 8th is Trikona From 5th - 8th is Kenda From 11th - 8th is Trikona From 12th - 8th is Kendara What will you derive from them? Love, Sreenadh , " Haridas Udupa " <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > There is one more possibility why the native will be efficient in > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of learning. > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > Regards, > Udupa > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in 8th house'. > > > > ======================================================= > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > *===================* > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient in the > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as playing > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but will have > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money and will > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the lagna lord > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and cruel words and > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high efficiency in > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will indulge in > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his wife). He will > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an angry > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from 10th > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency in work. > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th is a > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to body and > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) from 6th > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many wives). Again 8th > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. Further 8th > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the above, the > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be derived. > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th signifies a > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this makes the > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear enough. A > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th aspects 2nd > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native would waste > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and immoral > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not satisfactory. > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd (upachaya; > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad qualities > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a weak mind' > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is concerned. Thus > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as quoted > > below. > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very efficient > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, theft, > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be a very > > angry person as well.* > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the first > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the help he > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much money and > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a malefic, then > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a pale > > yellowish one.* > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th house. > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th aspects, > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why this > > derivation. > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord in 8th > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But don't forget > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) causing bad > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, the same > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) causes the > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna lord in > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted below- > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be stay or > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. Diseases would > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, or not > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause trouble. He > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may have to leave > > his native place.* > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in quoting the > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, longevity, > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and dedication to > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the same. > > > > ======================================================= > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Dear Haridas ji, You put forward the idea - so you should provide the answers. Or let wait and see - with what ideas other comes up. I don't have anything to say on this - right now. Love, Sreenadh , " Haridas Udupa " <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Mr. Sreenadh, > We need to give more importance to trines as compared to kendras for the > simple reason that they have the same Tatwas. Kendras become imprtant from > the mode of action like chara stira, ubhaya. Tatwas indicate the inherent > qualities and therefore there is greater support from the trines. Kendras, > many a time, have opposing Tatwas like Agni and Jala. (May be for that > reason western astrology considers square aspect as adverse.) > Please let me have your views. > Regards, > Udupa > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara > > > > What will you derive from them? > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Haridas Udupa " > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be > > efficient in > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of > > learning. > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > > > Regards, > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in > > 8th house'. > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > > > > > *===================* > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient > > in the > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > playing > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, > > theft, > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > a very > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but > > will have > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money > > and will > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the > > lagna lord > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and > > cruel words and > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high > > efficiency in > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will > > indulge in > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his > > wife). He will > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an > > angry > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from > > 10th > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency > > in work. > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th > > is a > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to > > body and > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) > > from 6th > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many > > wives). Again 8th > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. > > Further 8th > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the > > above, the > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be > > derived. > > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th > > signifies a > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this > > makes the > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear > > enough. A > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th > > aspects 2nd > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native > > would waste > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and > > immoral > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not > > satisfactory. > > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd > > (upachaya; > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad > > qualities > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a > > weak mind' > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is > > concerned. Thus > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > > quoted > > > > below. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > > efficient > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities > > such as > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or > > lottery, theft, > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > a very > > > > angry person as well.* > > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the > > first > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the > > help he > > > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much > > money and > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a > > malefic, then > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a > > pale > > > > yellowish one.* > > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th > > house. > > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th > > aspects, > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why > > this > > > > derivation. > > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord > > in 8th > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But > > don't forget > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) > > causing bad > > > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, > > the same > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) > > causes the > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna > > lord in > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted > > below- > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be > > stay or > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. > > Diseases would > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, > > or not > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause > > trouble. He > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may > > have to leave > > > > his native place.* > > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in > > quoting the > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, > > longevity, > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and > > dedication to > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna > > lord in 8th > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the > > same. > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Dear Haridas ji, 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death) lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well. Love, Sreenadh , " Haridas Udupa " <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh, > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen for the > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord of Vayu > and Prthvi Rashis. > Regards, > Udupa > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara > > > > What will you derive from them? > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Haridas Udupa " > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be > > efficient in > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of > > learning. > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > > > Regards, > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in > > 8th house'. > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > > > > > *===================* > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient > > in the > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > playing > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, > > theft, > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > a very > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but > > will have > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money > > and will > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the > > lagna lord > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and > > cruel words and > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high > > efficiency in > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will > > indulge in > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his > > wife). He will > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an > > angry > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from > > 10th > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency > > in work. > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th > > is a > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to > > body and > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) > > from 6th > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many > > wives). Again 8th > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. > > Further 8th > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the > > above, the > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be > > derived. > > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th > > signifies a > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this > > makes the > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear > > enough. A > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th > > aspects 2nd > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native > > would waste > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and > > immoral > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not > > satisfactory. > > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd > > (upachaya; > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad > > qualities > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a > > weak mind' > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is > > concerned. Thus > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > > quoted > > > > below. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > > efficient > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities > > such as > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or > > lottery, theft, > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > a very > > > > angry person as well.* > > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the > > first > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the > > help he > > > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much > > money and > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a > > malefic, then > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a > > pale > > > > yellowish one.* > > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th > > house. > > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th > > aspects, > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why > > this > > > > derivation. > > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord > > in 8th > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But > > don't forget > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) > > causing bad > > > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, > > the same > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) > > causes the > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna > > lord in > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted > > below- > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be > > stay or > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. > > Diseases would > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, > > or not > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause > > trouble. He > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may > > have to leave > > > > his native place.* > > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in > > quoting the > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, > > longevity, > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and > > dedication to > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna > > lord in 8th > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the > > same. > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Dear Mr.Sreenadh, I have provided the answer why trikonas. If there is nay more question surely I would attempt an answer or express my ignorance.Regrs,UdupaOn 10/2/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Haridas ji, You put forward the idea - so you should provide the answers. Or let wait and see - with what ideas other comes up. I don't have anything to say on this - right now. Love, Sreenadh , " Haridas Udupa " <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Mr. Sreenadh, > We need to give more importance to trines as compared to kendras for the > simple reason that they have the same Tatwas. Kendras become imprtant from > the mode of action like chara stira, ubhaya. Tatwas indicate the inherent > qualities and therefore there is greater support from the trines. Kendras, > many a time, have opposing Tatwas like Agni and Jala. (May be for that > reason western astrology considers square aspect as adverse.) > Please let me have your views. > Regards, > Udupa > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara > > > > What will you derive from them? > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " Haridas Udupa " > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be > > efficient in > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of > > learning. > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > > > Regards, > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in > > 8th house'. > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > > > > > *===================* > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient > > in the > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > playing > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, > > theft, > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > a very > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but > > will have > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money > > and will > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the > > lagna lord > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and > > cruel words and > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high > > efficiency in > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will > > indulge in > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his > > wife). He will > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an > > angry > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from > > 10th > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency > > in work. > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th > > is a > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to > > body and > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) > > from 6th > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many > > wives). Again 8th > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. > > Further 8th > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the > > above, the > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be > > derived. > > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th > > signifies a > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this > > makes the > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear > > enough. A > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th > > aspects 2nd > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native > > would waste > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and > > immoral > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not > > satisfactory. > > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd > > (upachaya; > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad > > qualities > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a > > weak mind' > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is > > concerned. Thus > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > > quoted > > > > below. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > > efficient > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities > > such as > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or > > lottery, theft, > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > a very > > > > angry person as well.* > > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the > > first > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the > > help he > > > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much > > money and > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a > > malefic, then > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a > > pale > > > > yellowish one.* > > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th > > house. > > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th > > aspects, > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why > > this > > > > derivation. > > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord > > in 8th > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But > > don't forget > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) > > causing bad > > > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, > > the same > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) > > causes the > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna > > lord in > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted > > below- > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be > > stay or > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. > > Diseases would > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, > > or not > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause > > trouble. He > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may > > have to leave > > > > his native place.* > > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in > > quoting the > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, > > longevity, > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and > > dedication to > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna > > lord in 8th > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the > > same. > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Dear Shri Sreenadh, This is an interesting input. Thank you for the same. As for usage of principle " out of context " I beg to differ. First of all it, is not nice to sit on judgment on someone else's views. Secondly, you will agree, Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their classics, like in the Constitution. In fact, the input you have provided has strengthened my reasoning. If a Planet with Kendradhipathya Dosha should play a vital role in such serious issue like death, it is natural to think why Kendradhipathya becomes a Dosha, per se.Regards,Udupa On 10/2/07, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear Haridas ji, 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death) lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well. Love, Sreenadh , " Haridas Udupa " <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh, > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen for the > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord of Vayu > and Prthvi Rashis. > Regards, > Udupa > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara > > > > What will you derive from them? > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " Haridas Udupa " > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be > > efficient in > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of > > learning. > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > > > Regards, > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in > > 8th house'. > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > > > > > *===================* > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient > > in the > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > playing > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, > > theft, > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > a very > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but > > will have > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money > > and will > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the > > lagna lord > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and > > cruel words and > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high > > efficiency in > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will > > indulge in > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his > > wife). He will > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an > > angry > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from > > 10th > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency > > in work. > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th > > is a > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to > > body and > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) > > from 6th > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many > > wives). Again 8th > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. > > Further 8th > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the > > above, the > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be > > derived. > > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th > > signifies a > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this > > makes the > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear > > enough. A > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th > > aspects 2nd > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native > > would waste > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and > > immoral > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not > > satisfactory. > > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd > > (upachaya; > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad > > qualities > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a > > weak mind' > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is > > concerned. Thus > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > > quoted > > > > below. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > > efficient > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities > > such as > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or > > lottery, theft, > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > a very > > > > angry person as well.* > > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the > > first > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the > > help he > > > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much > > money and > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a > > malefic, then > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a > > pale > > > > yellowish one.* > > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th > > house. > > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th > > aspects, > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why > > this > > > > derivation. > > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord > > in 8th > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But > > don't forget > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) > > causing bad > > > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, > > the same > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) > > causes the > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna > > lord in > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted > > below- > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be > > stay or > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. > > Diseases would > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, > > or not > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause > > trouble. He > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may > > have to leave > > > > his native place.* > > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in > > quoting the > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, > > longevity, > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and > > dedication to > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna > > lord in 8th > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the > > same. > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Dear Haridas, My Guru and usually all the traditionally practicing astrologers say and know that 'out of context use' of rules will not come true. True learning of astrology is 'leaning the context in which the rule should be applied' they used to say. The Sanskrit word used for the same is 'Prakarana' - know the 'Prakana' they used to say. Hope this helps. As of the books by sages 'we need to understand the context from their usage. You can not use 120 year Vimsottari dasa to predict neither about the life of a fly nor about that of a mountain - do you? Means we are and should have to use the rules as per the context. Can you show at least a single instance other than Death Dasa/Antar dasa determination where 'Parasara' used the the 'Kendradhi pati Dosha' principle? First search and find such and instance - and then come back with the argument. ==> > Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their classics, <== That is simply lack of understanding, and lack of understanding about practical astrology. When you USE astrology - you will KNOW that context is important - and without considering the same the rules will not fructify. That is experience. Love, Sreenadh , " Haridas Udupa " <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Shri Sreenadh, > This is an interesting input. Thank you for the same. > As for usage of principle " out of context " I beg to differ. First of all > it, is not nice to sit on judgment on someone else's views. Secondly, you > will agree, Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their > classics, like in the Constitution. > In fact, the input you have provided has strengthened my reasoning. If a > Planet with Kendradhipathya Dosha should play a vital role in such serious > issue like death, it is natural to think why Kendradhipathya becomes a > Dosha, per se. > Regards, > Udupa > > > > On 10/2/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the > > same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR > > death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death) > > lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially > > if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The > > theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such > > out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Haridas Udupa " > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh, > > > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen > > for the > > > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord > > of Vayu > > > and Prthvi Rashis. > > > Regards, > > > Udupa > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then > > > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra > > > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona > > > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda > > > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona > > > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara > > > > > > > > What will you derive from them? > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40.\ com> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " Haridas Udupa " > > > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be > > > > efficient in > > > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of > > > > learning. > > > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in > > > > 8th house'. > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > > > > > > > > > *===================* > > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient > > > > in the > > > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > > > playing > > > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, > > > > theft, > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > > > a very > > > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but > > > > will have > > > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money > > > > and will > > > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the > > > > lagna lord > > > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and > > > > cruel words and > > > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high > > > > efficiency in > > > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will > > > > indulge in > > > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his > > > > wife). He will > > > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an > > > > angry > > > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from > > > > 10th > > > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency > > > > in work. > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th > > > > is a > > > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to > > > > body and > > > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > > > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) > > > > from 6th > > > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many > > > > wives). Again 8th > > > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. > > > > Further 8th > > > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the > > > > above, the > > > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be > > > > derived. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th > > > > signifies a > > > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this > > > > makes the > > > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear > > > > enough. A > > > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th > > > > aspects 2nd > > > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native > > > > would waste > > > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and > > > > immoral > > > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not > > > > satisfactory. > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd > > > > (upachaya; > > > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad > > > > qualities > > > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a > > > > weak mind' > > > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is > > > > concerned. Thus > > > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > > > > quoted > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > > > > efficient > > > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities > > > > such as > > > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or > > > > lottery, theft, > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > > > a very > > > > > > angry person as well.* > > > > > > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the > > > > first > > > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the > > > > help he > > > > > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much > > > > money and > > > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a > > > > malefic, then > > > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a > > > > pale > > > > > > yellowish one.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > > > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th > > > > aspects, > > > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why > > > > this > > > > > > derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord > > > > in 8th > > > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But > > > > don't forget > > > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) > > > > causing bad > > > > > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, > > > > the same > > > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) > > > > causes the > > > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > > > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna > > > > lord in > > > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted > > > > below- > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be > > > > stay or > > > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. > > > > Diseases would > > > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, > > > > or not > > > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause > > > > trouble. He > > > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may > > > > have to leave > > > > > > his native place.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > > > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in > > > > quoting the > > > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, > > > > longevity, > > > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and > > > > dedication to > > > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna > > > > lord in 8th > > > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Dear Mr. Sreenadh, I will not comment on it. This is a highly subjective point. Let us leave it at that.Regards,UdupaOn 10/2/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Haridas, My Guru and usually all the traditionally practicing astrologers say and know that 'out of context use' of rules will not come true. True learning of astrology is 'leaning the context in which the rule should be applied' they used to say. The Sanskrit word used for the same is 'Prakarana' - know the 'Prakana' they used to say. Hope this helps. As of the books by sages 'we need to understand the context from their usage. You can not use 120 year Vimsottari dasa to predict neither about the life of a fly nor about that of a mountain - do you? Means we are and should have to use the rules as per the context. Can you show at least a single instance other than Death Dasa/Antar dasa determination where 'Parasara' used the the 'Kendradhi pati Dosha' principle? First search and find such and instance - and then come back with the argument. ==> > Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their classics, <== That is simply lack of understanding, and lack of understanding about practical astrology. When you USE astrology - you will KNOW that context is important - and without considering the same the rules will not fructify. That is experience. Love, Sreenadh , " Haridas Udupa " <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Shri Sreenadh, > This is an interesting input. Thank you for the same. > As for usage of principle " out of context " I beg to differ. First of all > it, is not nice to sit on judgment on someone else's views. Secondly, you > will agree, Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their > classics, like in the Constitution. > In fact, the input you have provided has strengthened my reasoning. If a > Planet with Kendradhipathya Dosha should play a vital role in such serious > issue like death, it is natural to think why Kendradhipathya becomes a > Dosha, per se. > Regards, > Udupa > > > > On 10/2/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the > > same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR > > death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death) > > lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially > > if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The > > theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such > > out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " Haridas Udupa " > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh, > > > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen > > for the > > > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord > > of Vayu > > > and Prthvi Rashis. > > > Regards, > > > Udupa > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then > > > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra > > > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona > > > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda > > > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona > > > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara > > > > > > > > What will you derive from them? > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " Haridas Udupa " > > > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be > > > > efficient in > > > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of > > > > learning. > > > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in > > > > 8th house'. > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > > > > > > > > > *===================* > > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient > > > > in the > > > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > > > playing > > > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, > > > > theft, > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > > > a very > > > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but > > > > will have > > > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money > > > > and will > > > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the > > > > lagna lord > > > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and > > > > cruel words and > > > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high > > > > efficiency in > > > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will > > > > indulge in > > > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his > > > > wife). He will > > > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an > > > > angry > > > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from > > > > 10th > > > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency > > > > in work. > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th > > > > is a > > > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to > > > > body and > > > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > > > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) > > > > from 6th > > > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many > > > > wives). Again 8th > > > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. > > > > Further 8th > > > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the > > > > above, the > > > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be > > > > derived. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th > > > > signifies a > > > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this > > > > makes the > > > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear > > > > enough. A > > > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th > > > > aspects 2nd > > > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native > > > > would waste > > > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and > > > > immoral > > > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not > > > > satisfactory. > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd > > > > (upachaya; > > > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad > > > > qualities > > > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a > > > > weak mind' > > > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is > > > > concerned. Thus > > > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > > > > quoted > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > > > > efficient > > > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities > > > > such as > > > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or > > > > lottery, theft, > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > > > a very > > > > > > angry person as well.* > > > > > > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the > > > > first > > > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the > > > > help he > > > > > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much > > > > money and > > > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a > > > > malefic, then > > > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a > > > > pale > > > > > > yellowish one.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > > > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th > > > > aspects, > > > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why > > > > this > > > > > > derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord > > > > in 8th > > > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But > > > > don't forget > > > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) > > > > causing bad > > > > > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, > > > > the same > > > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) > > > > causes the > > > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > > > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna > > > > lord in > > > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted > > > > below- > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be > > > > stay or > > > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. > > > > Diseases would > > > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, > > > > or not > > > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause > > > > trouble. He > > > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may > > > > have to leave > > > > > > his native place.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > > > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in > > > > quoting the > > > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, > > > > longevity, > > > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and > > > > dedication to > > > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna > > > > lord in 8th > > > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I am doing just fine with Vimsottari dasas. They work great!Learn astrologySreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Haridas, My Guru and usually all the traditionally practicing astrologers say and know that 'out of context use' of rules will not come true. True learning of astrology is 'leaning the context in which the rule should be applied' they used to say. The Sanskrit word used for the same is 'Prakarana' - know the 'Prakana' they used to say. Hope this helps. As of the books by sages 'we need to understand the context from their usage. You can not use 120 year Vimsottari dasa to predict neither about the life of a fly nor about that of a mountain - do you? Means we are and should have to use the rules as per the context. Can you show at least a single instance other than Death Dasa/Antar dasa determination where 'Parasara' used the the 'Kendradhi pati Dosha' principle? First search and find such and instance - and then come back with the argument. ==> > Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their classics, <== That is simply lack of understanding, and lack of understanding about practical astrology. When you USE astrology - you will KNOW that context is important - and without considering the same the rules will not fructify. That is experience. Love, Sreenadh , "Haridas Udupa" <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Shri Sreenadh, > This is an interesting input. Thank you for the same. > As for usage of principle "out of context" I beg to differ. First of all > it, is not nice to sit on judgment on someone else's views. Secondly, you > will agree, Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their > classics, like in the Constitution. > In fact, the input you have provided has strengthened my reasoning. If a > Planet with Kendradhipathya Dosha should play a vital role in such serious > issue like death, it is natural to think why Kendradhipathya becomes a > Dosha, per se. > Regards, > Udupa > > > > On 10/2/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the > > same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR > > death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death) > > lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially > > if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The > > theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such > > out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > <%40>, > > "Haridas Udupa" > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh, > > > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen > > for the > > > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord > > of Vayu > > > and Prthvi Rashis. > > > Regards, > > > Udupa > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Haridas ji, > > > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then > > > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra > > > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona > > > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda > > > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona > > > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara > > > > > > > > What will you derive from them? > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > "Haridas Udupa" > > > > <ahudupa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be > > > > efficient in > > > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of > > > > learning. > > > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited in 8th. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in > > > > 8th house'. > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House* > > > > > > > > > > > > *===================* > > > > > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very efficient > > > > in the > > > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities such as > > > > playing > > > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery, > > > > theft, > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > > > a very > > > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but > > > > will have > > > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much money > > > > and will > > > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the > > > > lagna lord > > > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and > > > > cruel words and > > > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one. > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high > > > > efficiency in > > > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will > > > > indulge in > > > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his > > > > wife). He will > > > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an > > > > angry > > > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th (gain) from > > > > 10th > > > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of efficiency > > > > in work. > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly signify high > > > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation. Since 8th > > > > is a > > > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to > > > > body and > > > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease. > > > > > > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd (growth) > > > > from 6th > > > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many > > > > wives). Again 8th > > > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities. > > > > Further 8th > > > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining all the > > > > above, the > > > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be > > > > derived. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th > > > > signifies a > > > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this > > > > makes the > > > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But since > > > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not clear > > > > enough. A > > > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet in 8th > > > > aspects 2nd > > > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native > > > > would waste > > > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and > > > > immoral > > > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not > > > > satisfactory. > > > > > > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd > > > > (upachaya; > > > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad > > > > qualities > > > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body causes a > > > > weak mind' > > > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is > > > > concerned. Thus > > > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the same, as > > > > quoted > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would be very > > > > efficient > > > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities > > > > such as > > > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or > > > > lottery, theft, > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He would be > > > > a very > > > > > > angry person as well.* > > > > > > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora* > > > > > > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given in the > > > > first > > > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say. > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful (to the > > > > help he > > > > > > received form others). He will be interested in accumulating much > > > > money and > > > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a > > > > malefic, then > > > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would be a > > > > pale > > > > > > yellowish one.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora* > > > > > > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified by 8th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord in 8th > > > > aspects, > > > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that is why > > > > this > > > > > > derivation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna lord > > > > in 8th > > > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But > > > > don't forget > > > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body) > > > > causing bad > > > > > > health (diseases) as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed in 8th, > > > > the same > > > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house (words) > > > > causes the > > > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words' > > > > > > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak body. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for lagna > > > > lord in > > > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is quoted > > > > below- > > > > > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the could be > > > > stay or > > > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many. > > > > Diseases would > > > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were unnecessary, > > > > or not > > > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause > > > > trouble. He > > > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may > > > > have to leave > > > > > > his native place.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika* > > > > > > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in > > > > quoting the > > > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering - due to > > > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death, sadness, > > > > longevity, > > > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and > > > > dedication to > > > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna > > > > lord in 8th > > > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fussy? 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear zharbird , Its happy to know that vimshottarry dasa work well withu from ameba to blue whales with u and pls do a example and show us ,we r open to learn from u . Dont say i use compressed dasa blah blah . Vimshottarry means 120 years regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , zhar bird <blagomot wrote:>> I am doing just fine with Vimsottari dasas. They work great!> Learn astrology> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: Dear Haridas,> My Guru and usually all the traditionally practicing astrologers say> and know that 'out of context use' of rules will not come true. True> learning of astrology is 'leaning the context in which the rule should> be applied' they used to say. The Sanskrit word used for the same is> 'Prakarana' - know the 'Prakana' they used to say. Hope this helps. > As of the books by sages 'we need to understand the context from> their usage. You can not use 120 year Vimsottari dasa to predict> neither about the life of a fly nor about that of a mountain - do you?> Means we are and should have to use the rules as per the context. > Can you show at least a single instance other than Death Dasa/Antar> dasa determination where 'Parasara' used the the 'Kendradhi pati> Dosha' principle? First search and find such and instance - and then> come back with the argument.> ==>> > Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their classics, > <==> That is simply lack of understanding, and lack of understanding about> practical astrology. When you USE astrology - you will KNOW that> context is important - and without considering the same the rules will> not fructify. That is experience. > Love,> Sreenadh > > , "Haridas Udupa"> ahudupa@ wrote:> >> > Dear Shri Sreenadh,> > This is an interesting input. Thank you for the same.> > As for usage of principle "out of context" I beg to differ. First> of all> > it, is not nice to sit on judgment on someone else's views.> Secondly, you> > will agree, Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their> > classics, like in the Constitution.> > In fact, the input you have provided has strengthened my> reasoning. If a> > Planet with Kendradhipathya Dosha should play a vital role in such> serious> > issue like death, it is natural to think why Kendradhipathya becomes a> > Dosha, per se.> > Regards,> > Udupa> > > > > > > > On 10/2/07, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the> > > same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR> > > death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death)> > > lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially> > > if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The> > > theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such> > > out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > --- In> <%40>,> > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh,> > > > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen> > > for the> > > > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord> > > of Vayu> > > > and Prthvi Rashis.> > > > Regards,> > > > Udupa> > > >> > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then> > > > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > > > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra> > > > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona> > > > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda> > > > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona> > > > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara> > > > >> > > > > What will you derive from them?> > > > >> > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > --- In> > >> <%40>> > > <%40>,> > >> > > > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be> > > > > efficient in> > > > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of> > > > > learning.> > > > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited> in 8th.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Udupa> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in> > > > > 8th house'.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *===================*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very> efficient> > > > > in the> > > > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities> such as> > > > > playing> > > > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery,> > > > > theft,> > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> would be> > > > > a very> > > > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but> > > > > will have> > > > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much> money> > > > > and will> > > > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the> > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and> > > > > cruel words and> > > > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high> > > > > efficiency in> > > > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will> > > > > indulge in> > > > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his> > > > > wife). He will> > > > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an> > > > > angry> > > > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th> (gain) from> > > > > 10th> > > > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of> efficiency> > > > > in work.> > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly> signify high> > > > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation.> Since 8th> > > > > is a> > > > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to> > > > > body and> > > > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd> (growth)> > > > > from 6th> > > > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many> > > > > wives). Again 8th> > > > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities.> > > > > Further 8th> > > > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining> all the> > > > > above, the> > > > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be> > > > > derived.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th> > > > > signifies a> > > > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this> > > > > makes the> > > > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But> since> > > > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not> clear> > > > > enough. A> > > > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet> in 8th> > > > > aspects 2nd> > > > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native> > > > > would waste> > > > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and> > > > > immoral> > > > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not> > > > > satisfactory.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd> > > > > (upachaya;> > > > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad> > > > > qualities> > > > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body> causes a> > > > > weak mind'> > > > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is> > > > > concerned. Thus> > > > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the> same, as> > > > > quoted> > > > > > > below.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would> be very> > > > > efficient> > > > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral> activities> > > > > such as> > > > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or> > > > > lottery, theft,> > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> would be> > > > > a very> > > > > > > angry person as well.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given> in the> > > > > first> > > > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful> (to the> > > > > help he> > > > > > > received form others). He will be interested in> accumulating much> > > > > money and> > > > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a> > > > > malefic, then> > > > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would> be a> > > > > pale> > > > > > > yellowish one.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified> by 8th> > > > > house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord> in 8th> > > > > aspects,> > > > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that> is why> > > > > this> > > > > > > derivation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna> lord> > > > > in 8th> > > > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But> > > > > don't forget> > > > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body)> > > > > causing bad> > > > > > > health (diseases) as well.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed> in 8th,> > > > > the same> > > > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house> (words)> > > > > causes the> > > > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words'> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak> body.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for> lagna> > > > > lord in> > > > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is> quoted> > > > > below-> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the> could be> > > > > stay or> > > > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many.> > > > > Diseases would> > > > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were> unnecessary,> > > > > or not> > > > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause> > > > > trouble. He> > > > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may> > > > > have to leave> > > > > > > his native place.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in> > > > > quoting the> > > > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering> - due to> > > > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death,> sadness,> > > > > longevity,> > > > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and> > > > > dedication to> > > > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna> > > > > lord in 8th> > > > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the> > > > > same.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Fussy? 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I use 365 days year Vimsottary dasa, and it works fine for me and my clients.Have you tried to work V. dasas in your own chart? Everytime dasas change you should experience a significant change in your life within that year (changes may actually start just preceeding dasa change.Each dasa goes according to the general nature of the "host" planet + what it means in your chart: f.e. Ketu in the 8th would bring earthly poverty but spiritual richies, Ketu in the 7th would destroy your relationships and may end your life, etc.If you are in Ketu dasa, and your Ketu conjoins Ve, your relationships will suffer along with the house of your Ketu, etc.The subdasa planet would not change the main theme, but would color it with events according to its nature and houses.A strong planet, even if apparently malefic, would bring many good changes. A weak planet, no matter how benefic, would hurt you.These are simple and easy to follow rules that work all the time.Verify strength of a planet by its position in divisional charts. A planet that remains in the same sign of most of divisions is superbly strong. A planet that is in moolatrikona in rasi, but cannot keep its spot in the rest of divisions is weak.But it is stronger than a planet that is in a friendly sign in rasi, but loses its spot in divisions.Try these rules on your chart and closest friends / relatives: you'll be pleasantly surprised.sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna, dear zharbird , Its happy to know that vimshottarry dasa work well withu from ameba to blue whales with u and pls do a example and show us ,we r open to learn from u . Dont say i use compressed dasa blah blah . Vimshottarry means 120 years regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , zhar bird <blagomot wrote:>> I am doing just fine with Vimsottari dasas. They work great!> Learn astrology> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: Dear Haridas,> My Guru and usually all the traditionally practicing astrologers say> and know that 'out of context use' of rules will not come true. True> learning of astrology is 'leaning the context in which the rule should> be applied' they used to say. The Sanskrit word used for the same is> 'Prakarana' - know the 'Prakana' they used to say. Hope this helps. > As of the books by sages 'we need to understand the context from> their usage. You can not use 120 year Vimsottari dasa to predict> neither about the life of a fly nor about that of a mountain - do you?> Means we are and should have to use the rules as per the context. > Can you show at least a single instance other than Death Dasa/Antar> dasa determination where 'Parasara' used the the 'Kendradhi pati> Dosha' principle? First search and find such and instance - and then> come back with the argument.> ==>> > Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their classics, > <==> That is simply lack of understanding, and lack of understanding about> practical astrology. When you USE astrology - you will KNOW that> context is important - and without considering the same the rules will> not fructify. That is experience. > Love,> Sreenadh > > , "Haridas Udupa"> ahudupa@ wrote:> >> > Dear Shri Sreenadh,> > This is an interesting input. Thank you for the same.> > As for usage of principle "out of context" I beg to differ. First> of all> > it, is not nice to sit on judgment on someone else's views.> Secondly, you> > will agree, Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their> > classics, like in the Constitution.> > In fact, the input you have provided has strengthened my> reasoning. If a> > Planet with Kendradhipathya Dosha should play a vital role in such> serious> > issue like death, it is natural to think why Kendradhipathya becomes a> > Dosha, per se.> > Regards,> > Udupa> > > > > > > > On 10/2/07, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the> > > same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR> > > death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death)> > > lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially> > > if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The> > > theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such> > > out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > --- In> <%40>,> > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh,> > > > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen> > > for the> > > > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord> > > of Vayu> > > > and Prthvi Rashis.> > > > Regards,> > > > Udupa> > > >> > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then> > > > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > > > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra> > > > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona> > > > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda> > > > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona> > > > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara> > > > >> > > > > What will you derive from them?> > > > >> > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > --- In> > >> <%40>> > > <%40>,> > >> > > > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be> > > > > efficient in> > > > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of> > > > > learning.> > > > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited> in 8th.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Udupa> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in> > > > > 8th house'.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *===================*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very> efficient> > > > > in the> > > > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities> such as> > > > > playing> > > > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery,> > > > > theft,> > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> would be> > > > > a very> > > > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but> > > > > will have> > > > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much> money> > > > > and will> > > > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the> > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and> > > > > cruel words and> > > > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high> > > > > efficiency in> > > > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will> > > > > indulge in> > > > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his> > > > > wife). He will> > > > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an> > > > > angry> > > > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th> (gain) from> > > > > 10th> > > > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of> efficiency> > > > > in work.> > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly> signify high> > > > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation.> Since 8th> > > > > is a> > > > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to> > > > > body and> > > > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd> (growth)> > > > > from 6th> > > > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many> > > > > wives). Again 8th> > > > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities.> > > > > Further 8th> > > > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining> all the> > > > > above, the> > > > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be> > > > > derived.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th> > > > > signifies a> > > > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this> > > > > makes the> > > > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But> since> > > > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not> clear> > > > > enough. A> > > > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet> in 8th> > > > > aspects 2nd> > > > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native> > > > > would waste> > > > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and> > > > > immoral> > > > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not> > > > > satisfactory.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd> > > > > (upachaya;> > > > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad> > > > > qualities> > > > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body> causes a> > > > > weak mind'> > > > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is> > > > > concerned. Thus> > > > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the> same, as> > > > > quoted> > > > > > > below.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would> be very> > > > > efficient> > > > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral> activities> > > > > such as> > > > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or> > > > > lottery, theft,> > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> would be> > > > > a very> > > > > > > angry person as well.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given> in the> > > > > first> > > > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful> (to the> > > > > help he> > > > > > > received form others). He will be interested in> accumulating much> > > > > money and> > > > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a> > > > > malefic, then> > > > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would> be a> > > > > pale> > > > > > > yellowish one.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified> by 8th> > > > > house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord> in 8th> > > > > aspects,> > > > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that> is why> > > > > this> > > > > > > derivation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna> lord> > > > > in 8th> > > > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But> > > > > don't forget> > > > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body)> > > > > causing bad> > > > > > > health (diseases) as well.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed> in 8th,> > > > > the same> > > > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house> (words)> > > > > causes the> > > > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words'> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak> body.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for> lagna> > > > > lord in> > > > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is> quoted> > > > > below-> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the> could be> > > > > stay or> > > > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many.> > > > > Diseases would> > > > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were> unnecessary,> > > > > or not> > > > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause> > > > > trouble. He> > > > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may> > > > > have to leave> > > > > > > his native place.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in> > > > > quoting the> > > > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering> - due to> > > > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death,> sadness,> > > > > longevity,> > > > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and> > > > > dedication to> > > > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna> > > > > lord in 8th> > > > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the> > > > > same.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Fussy? 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear zhar bird , I use so many sistems and dasas even nadi astrology,but that is not the context here > I use may be planetary dasa or rasi dasas or even no dasa at all ,there is lot of techniqs in indian astrology .All systems of predictions are unique in its own way and ur mastery over the subjuct.And no system s will contradict each other where as work only as a supporting tool . Vimshottarry is not a big word for me atleast .Vimshottarry means 120 years .I would like to know how u will use for predicting an ant.U take 365 days or 360 days I was answering u to your claim in your answer to mail on sreenadhji comment which says u do use Vimshottarry for ants and mountains alike .Otherwise what was the context here in picking up that mail . Or is it just pick up any thing to create a disturbance . Pls clarify .Or is it was showing your frustrations ,i feel pity on u and ur cleints blind is guiding the blinds . I dont want to hear your mountain sermons atleast for us and group .We hav a strong footing in the basics and system and our oral tradition and gurus are still dont hav any confusion and we dont depend on some interpolated translations and now i know why our ancestrers keep all as secrets and in oral tradition on strict guru kula way . regrds sunil nair. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , zhar bird <blagomot wrote:>> I use 365 days year Vimsottary dasa, and it works fine for me and my clients.> Have you tried to work V. dasas in your own chart? Everytime dasas change you should experience a significant change in your life within that year (changes may actually start just preceeding dasa change.> Each dasa goes according to the general nature of the "host" planet + what it means in your chart: f.e. Ketu in the 8th would bring earthly poverty but spiritual richies, Ketu in the 7th would destroy your relationships and may end your life, etc.> If you are in Ketu dasa, and your Ketu conjoins Ve, your relationships will suffer along with the house of your Ketu, etc.> The subdasa planet would not change the main theme, but would color it with events according to its nature and houses.> A strong planet, even if apparently malefic, would bring many good changes. A weak planet, no matter how benefic, would hurt you.> These are simple and easy to follow rules that work all the time.> Verify strength of a planet by its position in divisional charts. A planet that remains in the same sign of most of divisions is superbly strong. A planet that is in moolatrikona in rasi, but cannot keep its spot in the rest of divisions is weak.> But it is stronger than a planet that is in a friendly sign in rasi, but loses its spot in divisions.> Try these rules on your chart and closest friends / relatives: you'll be pleasantly surprised.> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > Hare ramakrishna,> dear zharbird ,> Its happy to know that vimshottarry dasa work well withu from ameba to blue whales with u and pls do a example and show us ,we r open to learn from u .> Dont say i use compressed dasa blah blah .> Vimshottarry means 120 years> regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > , zhar bird blagomot@ wrote:> >> > I am doing just fine with Vimsottari dasas. They work great!> > Learn astrology> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Haridas,> > My Guru and usually all the traditionally practicing astrologers say> > and know that 'out of context use' of rules will not come true. True> > learning of astrology is 'leaning the context in which the rule should> > be applied' they used to say. The Sanskrit word used for the same is> > 'Prakarana' - know the 'Prakana' they used to say. Hope this helps. > > As of the books by sages 'we need to understand the context from> > their usage. You can not use 120 year Vimsottari dasa to predict> > neither about the life of a fly nor about that of a mountain - do you?> > Means we are and should have to use the rules as per the context. > > Can you show at least a single instance other than Death Dasa/Antar> > dasa determination where 'Parasara' used the the 'Kendradhi pati> > Dosha' principle? First search and find such and instance - and then> > come back with the argument.> > ==>> > > Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their classics, > > <==> > That is simply lack of understanding, and lack of understanding about> > practical astrology. When you USE astrology - you will KNOW that> > context is important - and without considering the same the rules will> > not fructify. That is experience. > > Love,> > Sreenadh > > > > , "Haridas Udupa"> > ahudupa@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shri Sreenadh,> > > This is an interesting input. Thank you for the same.> > > As for usage of principle "out of context" I beg to differ. First> > of all> > > it, is not nice to sit on judgment on someone else's views.> > Secondly, you> > > will agree, Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their> > > classics, like in the Constitution.> > > In fact, the input you have provided has strengthened my> > reasoning. If a> > > Planet with Kendradhipathya Dosha should play a vital role in such> > serious> > > issue like death, it is natural to think why Kendradhipathya becomes a> > > Dosha, per se.> > > Regards,> > > Udupa> > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/2/07, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > > 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the> > > > same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR> > > > death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death)> > > > lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially> > > > if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The> > > > theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such> > > > out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > --- In> > <%40>,> > > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh,> > > > > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen> > > > for the> > > > > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord> > > > of Vayu> > > > > and Prthvi Rashis.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Udupa> > > > >> > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > > > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then> > > > > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > > > > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra> > > > > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona> > > > > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda> > > > > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona> > > > > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara> > > > > >> > > > > > What will you derive from them?> > > > > >> > > > > > Love,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > >> > <%40>> > > > <%40>,> > > >> > > > > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > > > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be> > > > > > efficient in> > > > > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of> > > > > > learning.> > > > > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited> > in 8th.> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Udupa> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in> > > > > > 8th house'.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *===================*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very> > efficient> > > > > > in the> > > > > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities> > such as> > > > > > playing> > > > > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery,> > > > > > theft,> > > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> > would be> > > > > > a very> > > > > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but> > > > > > will have> > > > > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much> > money> > > > > > and will> > > > > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the> > > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and> > > > > > cruel words and> > > > > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high> > > > > > efficiency in> > > > > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will> > > > > > indulge in> > > > > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his> > > > > > wife). He will> > > > > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an> > > > > > angry> > > > > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th> > (gain) from> > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of> > efficiency> > > > > > in work.> > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly> > signify high> > > > > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation.> > Since 8th> > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to> > > > > > body and> > > > > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd> > (growth)> > > > > > from 6th> > > > > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many> > > > > > wives). Again 8th> > > > > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities.> > > > > > Further 8th> > > > > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining> > all the> > > > > > above, the> > > > > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be> > > > > > derived.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th> > > > > > signifies a> > > > > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this> > > > > > makes the> > > > > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But> > since> > > > > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not> > clear> > > > > > enough. A> > > > > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet> > in 8th> > > > > > aspects 2nd> > > > > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native> > > > > > would waste> > > > > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and> > > > > > immoral> > > > > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not> > > > > > satisfactory.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd> > > > > > (upachaya;> > > > > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad> > > > > > qualities> > > > > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body> > causes a> > > > > > weak mind'> > > > > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is> > > > > > concerned. Thus> > > > > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the> > same, as> > > > > > quoted> > > > > > > > below.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would> > be very> > > > > > efficient> > > > > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral> > activities> > > > > > such as> > > > > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or> > > > > > lottery, theft,> > > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> > would be> > > > > > a very> > > > > > > > angry person as well.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given> > in the> > > > > > first> > > > > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful> > (to the> > > > > > help he> > > > > > > > received form others). He will be interested in> > accumulating much> > > > > > money and> > > > > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a> > > > > > malefic, then> > > > > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would> > be a> > > > > > pale> > > > > > > > yellowish one.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified> > by 8th> > > > > > house.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord> > in 8th> > > > > > aspects,> > > > > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that> > is why> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > derivation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna> > lord> > > > > > in 8th> > > > > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But> > > > > > don't forget> > > > > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body)> > > > > > causing bad> > > > > > > > health (diseases) as well.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed> > in 8th,> > > > > > the same> > > > > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house> > (words)> > > > > > causes the> > > > > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words'> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak> > body.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for> > lagna> > > > > > lord in> > > > > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is> > quoted> > > > > > below-> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the> > could be> > > > > > stay or> > > > > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many.> > > > > > Diseases would> > > > > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were> > unnecessary,> > > > > > or not> > > > > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause> > > > > > trouble. He> > > > > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may> > > > > > have to leave> > > > > > > > his native place.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in> > > > > > quoting the> > > > > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering> > - due to> > > > > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death,> > sadness,> > > > > > longevity,> > > > > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and> > > > > > dedication to> > > > > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna> > > > > > lord in 8th> > > > > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the> > > > > > same.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fussy? 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Dear Sir Sunil Nair Greetings Was not aware of that astrology can also be used for ants and mountains. But one thing is for sure. I have seen vimshottarry dasha working just fine. I am not an astrologer. But i know my past. And whenever i see any difference in my circumstances or environment then i also see a change in dasha/antardasha. Its not only true for me but also true for my friends. My observations are: 1) Change of Mahadasha - Change of environment for a long period of time, change of thinking, change of attitude, Introverts may become extroverts and extrovert may become introverts. 2) Change of Antardasha - It will bring fruit according to the lordship of the planet and house. Very important or the most important thing is that where is the antardasha lord from mahadasha lord. I have seen vimshottarry working in almost all charts. Best Jagdish sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna, dear zhar bird , I use so many sistems and dasas even nadi astrology,but that is not the context here > I use may be planetary dasa or rasi dasas or even no dasa at all ,there is lot of techniqs in indian astrology .All systems of predictions are unique in its own way and ur mastery over the subjuct.And no system s will contradict each other where as work only as a supporting tool . Vimshottarry is not a big word for me atleast .Vimshottarry means 120 years .I would like to know how u will use for predicting an ant.U take 365 days or 360 days I was answering u to your claim in your answer to mail on sreenadhji comment which says u do use Vimshottarry for ants and mountains alike .Otherwise what was the context here in picking up that mail . Or is it just pick up any thing to create a disturbance . Pls clarify .Or is it was showing your frustrations ,i feel pity on u and ur cleints blind is guiding the blinds . I dont want to hear your mountain sermons atleast for us and group .We hav a strong footing in the basics and system and our oral tradition and gurus are still dont hav any confusion and we dont depend on some interpolated translations and now i know why our ancestrers keep all as secrets and in oral tradition on strict guru kula way . regrds sunil nair. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , zhar bird <blagomot wrote:>> I use 365 days year Vimsottary dasa, and it works fine for me and my clients.> Have you tried to work V. dasas in your own chart? Everytime dasas change you should experience a significant change in your life within that year (changes may actually start just preceeding dasa change.> Each dasa goes according to the general nature of the "host" planet + what it means in your chart: f.e. Ketu in the 8th would bring earthly poverty but spiritual richies, Ketu in the 7th would destroy your relationships and may end your life, etc.> If you are in Ketu dasa, and your Ketu conjoins Ve, your relationships will suffer along with the house of your Ketu, etc.> The subdasa planet would not change the main theme, but would color it with events according to its nature and houses.> A strong planet, even if apparently malefic, would bring many good changes. A weak planet, no matter how benefic, would hurt you.> These are simple and easy to follow rules that work all the time.> Verify strength of a planet by its position in divisional charts. A planet that remains in the same sign of most of divisions is superbly strong. A planet that is in moolatrikona in rasi, but cannot keep its spot in the rest of divisions is weak.> But it is stronger than a planet that is in a friendly sign in rasi, but loses its spot in divisions.> Try these rules on your chart and closest friends / relatives: you'll be pleasantly surprised.> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > Hare ramakrishna,> dear zharbird ,> Its happy to know that vimshottarry dasa work well withu from ameba to blue whales with u and pls do a example and show us ,we r open to learn from u .> Dont say i use compressed dasa blah blah .> Vimshottarry means 120 years> regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > , zhar bird blagomot@ wrote:> >> > I am doing just fine with Vimsottari dasas. They work great!> > Learn astrology> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Haridas,> > My Guru and usually all the traditionally practicing astrologers say> > and know that 'out of context use' of rules will not come true. True> > learning of astrology is 'leaning the context in which the rule should> > be applied' they used to say. The Sanskrit word used for the same is> > 'Prakarana' - know the 'Prakana' they used to say. Hope this helps. > > As of the books by sages 'we need to understand the context from> > their usage. You can not use 120 year Vimsottari dasa to predict> > neither about the life of a fly nor about that of a mountain - do you?> > Means we are and should have to use the rules as per the context. > > Can you show at least a single instance other than Death Dasa/Antar> > dasa determination where 'Parasara' used the the 'Kendradhi pati> > Dosha' principle? First search and find such and instance - and then> > come back with the argument.> > ==>> > > Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their classics, > > <==> > That is simply lack of understanding, and lack of understanding about> > practical astrology. When you USE astrology - you will KNOW that> > context is important - and without considering the same the rules will> > not fructify. That is experience. > > Love,> > Sreenadh > > > > , "Haridas Udupa"> > ahudupa@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shri Sreenadh,> > > This is an interesting input. Thank you for the same.> > > As for usage of principle "out of context" I beg to differ. First> > of all> > > it, is not nice to sit on judgment on someone else's views.> > Secondly, you> > > will agree, Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their> > > classics, like in the Constitution.> > > In fact, the input you have provided has strengthened my> > reasoning. If a> > > Planet with Kendradhipathya Dosha should play a vital role in such> > serious> > > issue like death, it is natural to think why Kendradhipathya becomes a> > > Dosha, per se.> > > Regards,> > > Udupa> > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/2/07, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > > 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the> > > > same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR> > > > death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death)> > > > lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially> > > > if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The> > > > theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such> > > > out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well.> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > --- In> > <%40>,> > > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh,> > > > > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen> > > > for the> > > > > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord> > > > of Vayu> > > > > and Prthvi Rashis.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Udupa> > > > >> > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > > > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then> > > > > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > > > > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra> > > > > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona> > > > > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda> > > > > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona> > > > > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara> > > > > >> > > > > > What will you derive from them?> > > > > >> > > > > > Love,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > >> > <%40>> > > > <%40>,> > > >> > > > > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > > > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be> > > > > > efficient in> > > > > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of> > > > > > learning.> > > > > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited> > in 8th.> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Udupa> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in> > > > > > 8th house'.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *===================*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very> > efficient> > > > > > in the> > > > > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities> > such as> > > > > > playing> > > > > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery,> > > > > > theft,> > > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> > would be> > > > > > a very> > > > > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but> > > > > > will have> > > > > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much> > money> > > > > > and will> > > > > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the> > > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and> > > > > > cruel words and> > > > > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high> > > > > > efficiency in> > > > > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will> > > > > > indulge in> > > > > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his> > > > > > wife). He will> > > > > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an> > > > > > angry> > > > > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th> > (gain) from> > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of> > efficiency> > > > > > in work.> > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly> > signify high> > > > > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation.> > Since 8th> > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to> > > > > > body and> > > > > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd> > (growth)> > > > > > from 6th> > > > > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many> > > > > > wives). Again 8th> > > > > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities.> > > > > > Further 8th> > > > > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining> > all the> > > > > > above, the> > > > > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be> > > > > > derived.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th> > > > > > signifies a> > > > > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this> > > > > > makes the> > > > > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But> > since> > > > > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not> > clear> > > > > > enough. A> > > > > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet> > in 8th> > > > > > aspects 2nd> > > > > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native> > > > > > would waste> > > > > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and> > > > > > immoral> > > > > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not> > > > > > satisfactory.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd> > > > > > (upachaya;> > > > > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad> > > > > > qualities> > > > > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body> > causes a> > > > > > weak mind'> > > > > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is> > > > > > concerned. Thus> > > > > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the> > same, as> > > > > > quoted> > > > > > > > below.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would> > be very> > > > > > efficient> > > > > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral> > activities> > > > > > such as> > > > > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or> > > > > > lottery, theft,> > > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> > would be> > > > > > a very> > > > > > > > angry person as well.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given> > in the> > > > > > first> > > > > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful> > (to the> > > > > > help he> > > > > > > > received form others). He will be interested in> > accumulating much> > > > > > money and> > > > > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a> > > > > > malefic, then> > > > > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would> > be a> > > > > > pale> > > > > > > > yellowish one.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified> > by 8th> > > > > > house.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord> > in 8th> > > > > > aspects,> > > > > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that> > is why> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > derivation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna> > lord> > > > > > in 8th> > > > > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But> > > > > > don't forget> > > > > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body)> > > > > > causing bad> > > > > > > > health (diseases) as well.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed> > in 8th,> > > > > > the same> > > > > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house> > (words)> > > > > > causes the> > > > > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words'> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak> > body.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for> > lagna> > > > > > lord in> > > > > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is> > quoted> > > > > > below-> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the> > could be> > > > > > stay or> > > > > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many.> > > > > > Diseases would> > > > > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were> > unnecessary,> > > > > > or not> > > > > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause> > > > > > trouble. He> > > > > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may> > > > > > have to leave> > > > > > > > his native place.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in> > > > > > quoting the> > > > > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering> > - due to> > > > > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death,> > sadness,> > > > > > longevity,> > > > > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and> > > > > > dedication to> > > > > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna> > > > > > lord in 8th> > > > > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the> > > > > > same.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fussy? 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear prathameshan ji . thanks for the greetings ,Astrology should work for every thing. Regrding vimshottary i endorse ur view but in future i request u to read the full mail b4 posting . Here u r also saying as if Vimshottarry is a new word . rgds sunil nair. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote:>> Dear Sir Sunil Nair> > Greetings> > Was not aware of that astrology can also be used for ants and mountains. But one thing is for sure. I have seen vimshottarry dasha working just fine.> > I am not an astrologer. But i know my past. And whenever i see any difference in my circumstances or environment then i also see a change in dasha/antardasha.> > Its not only true for me but also true for my friends.> > My observations are:> > 1) Change of Mahadasha - Change of environment for a long period of time, change of thinking, change of attitude, Introverts may become extroverts and extrovert may become introverts.> > 2) Change of Antardasha - It will bring fruit according to the lordship of the planet and house. Very important or the most important thing is that where is the antardasha lord from mahadasha lord.> > I have seen vimshottarry working in almost all charts. > > Best> > Jagdish> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> Hare ramakrishna,> dear zhar bird ,> I use so many sistems and dasas even nadi astrology,but that is not the context here >> I use may be planetary dasa or rasi dasas or even no dasa at all ,there is lot of techniqs in indian astrology .All systems of predictions are unique in its own way and ur mastery over the subjuct.And no system s will contradict each other where as work only as a supporting tool .> Vimshottarry is not a big word for me atleast .Vimshottarry means 120 years .I would like to know how u will use for predicting an ant.U take 365 days or 360 days> I was answering u to your claim in your answer to mail on sreenadhji comment which says u do use Vimshottarry for ants and mountains alike .Otherwise what was the context here in picking up that mail .> Or is it just pick up any thing to create a disturbance .> Pls clarify .Or is it was showing your frustrations ,i feel pity on u and ur cleints blind is guiding the blinds .> I dont want to hear your mountain sermons atleast for us and group .We hav a strong footing in the basics and system and our oral tradition and gurus are still dont hav any confusion and we dont depend on some interpolated translations and now i know why our ancestrers keep all as secrets and in oral tradition on strict guru kula way .> regrds sunil nair.> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > , zhar bird blagomot@ wrote:> >> > I use 365 days year Vimsottary dasa, and it works fine for me and my clients.> > Have you tried to work V. dasas in your own chart? Everytime dasas change you should experience a significant change in your life within that year (changes may actually start just preceeding dasa change.> > Each dasa goes according to the general nature of the "host" planet + what it means in your chart: f.e. Ketu in the 8th would bring earthly poverty but spiritual richies, Ketu in the 7th would destroy your relationships and may end your life, etc.> > If you are in Ketu dasa, and your Ketu conjoins Ve, your relationships will suffer along with the house of your Ketu, etc.> > The subdasa planet would not change the main theme, but would color it with events according to its nature and houses.> > A strong planet, even if apparently malefic, would bring many good changes. A weak planet, no matter how benefic, would hurt you.> > These are simple and easy to follow rules that work all the time.> > Verify strength of a planet by its position in divisional charts. A planet that remains in the same sign of most of divisions is superbly strong. A planet that is in moolatrikona in rasi, but cannot keep its spot in the rest of divisions is weak.> > But it is stronger than a planet that is in a friendly sign in rasi, but loses its spot in divisions.> > Try these rules on your chart and closest friends / relatives: you'll be pleasantly surprised.> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear zharbird ,> > Its happy to know that vimshottarry dasa work well withu from ameba to blue whales with u and pls do a example and show us ,we r open to learn from u .> > Dont say i use compressed dasa blah blah .> > Vimshottarry means 120 years> > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > , zhar bird blagomot@ wrote:> > >> > > I am doing just fine with Vimsottari dasas. They work great!> > > Learn astrology> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Haridas,> > > My Guru and usually all the traditionally practicing astrologers say> > > and know that 'out of context use' of rules will not come true. True> > > learning of astrology is 'leaning the context in which the rule should> > > be applied' they used to say. The Sanskrit word used for the same is> > > 'Prakarana' - know the 'Prakana' they used to say. Hope this helps. > > > As of the books by sages 'we need to understand the context from> > > their usage. You can not use 120 year Vimsottari dasa to predict> > > neither about the life of a fly nor about that of a mountain - do you?> > > Means we are and should have to use the rules as per the context. > > > Can you show at least a single instance other than Death Dasa/Antar> > > dasa determination where 'Parasara' used the the 'Kendradhi pati> > > Dosha' principle? First search and find such and instance - and then> > > come back with the argument.> > > ==>> > > > Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their classics, > > > <==> > > That is simply lack of understanding, and lack of understanding about> > > practical astrology. When you USE astrology - you will KNOW that> > > context is important - and without considering the same the rules will> > > not fructify. That is experience. > > > Love,> > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , "Haridas Udupa"> > > ahudupa@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Sreenadh,> > > > This is an interesting input. Thank you for the same.> > > > As for usage of principle "out of context" I beg to differ. First> > > of all> > > > it, is not nice to sit on judgment on someone else's views.> > > Secondly, you> > > > will agree, Parashara or any sage has not defined context in their> > > > classics, like in the Constitution.> > > > In fact, the input you have provided has strengthened my> > > reasoning. If a> > > > Planet with Kendradhipathya Dosha should play a vital role in such> > > serious> > > > issue like death, it is natural to think why Kendradhipathya becomes a> > > > Dosha, per se.> > > > Regards,> > > > Udupa> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/2/07, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > > > 'Kendradhipathya Dosha' is a term proposed by Lekhu Parasari, the> > > > > same text has clarified that the same should be applied/used ONLY FOR> > > > > death time determination. For example Dasa of 8th (Longevity/Death)> > > > > lord and Antar Dasa of 7th lord (Maraka) can cause death, especially> > > > > if it is the Antar Dasa of a planet with Kendradhipatya Dosha. The> > > > > theories when applied 'Out of context' will not become true - and such> > > > > out of context applications are not supported by the sages as well.> > > > > Love,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > --- In> > > <%40>,> > > > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Mr.Shreenadh,> > > > > > One more point. The term Kendradhipathya Dosha might have arisen> > > > > for the> > > > > > same reason. Guru is the lord of Agni and Jala Rashis. Budha is lord> > > > > of Vayu> > > > > > and Prthvi Rashis.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Udupa> > > > > >> > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Haridas ji,> > > > > > > The question is - if we give importance to Trine (Trikona) then> > > > > > > why not to Square (Kendra)? > > > > > > > From 2nd - 8th is Kendra> > > > > > > From 4rd - 8th is Trikona> > > > > > > From 5th - 8th is Kenda> > > > > > > From 11th - 8th is Trikona> > > > > > > From 12th - 8th is Kendara> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What will you derive from them?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > > >> > > <%40>> > > > > <%40>,> > > > >> > > > > > > "Haridas Udupa"> > > > > > > <ahudupa@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > There is one more possibility why the native will be> > > > > > > efficient in> > > > > > > > learning. 8th house is trikona house for the 4th, the house of> > > > > > > learning.> > > > > > > > Hence it would add to the strength of 4th when LL is posited> > > in 8th.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Udupa> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 10/1/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here is the starting info for a discussion on 'Lagna lord in> > > > > > > 8th house'.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *Lagna lord in 8th House*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *===================*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native would be very> > > efficient> > > > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral activities> > > such as> > > > > > > playing> > > > > > > > > speculative and money wasting games such as dice or lottery,> > > > > > > theft,> > > > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> > > would be> > > > > > > a very> > > > > > > > > angry person as well. He will be troubled by many diseases but> > > > > > > will have> > > > > > > > > good longevity. He will be interested in accumulating much> > > money> > > > > > > and will> > > > > > > > > not be thankful to the help he received form others. If the> > > > > > > lagna lord> > > > > > > > > placed in 8th is a malefic, then the native will use bad and> > > > > > > cruel words and> > > > > > > > > his body would be a pale yellowish one.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th house, the native will have high> > > > > > > efficiency in> > > > > > > > > some knowledge branch. Many diseases will trouble him. He will> > > > > > > indulge in> > > > > > > > > immortal sexual activities with other women (other than his> > > > > > > wife). He will> > > > > > > > > be interested in betting on dice, lottery etc and would be an> > > > > > > angry> > > > > > > > > individual with an unsettled mind.*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *- Parasara Hora*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > High efficiency in some knowledge branch: Being 11th> > > (gain) from> > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > (fame), 8th house can signify gain of fame, gaining of> > > efficiency> > > > > > > in work.> > > > > > > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 8th can certainly> > > signify high> > > > > > > > > efficiency in some technical knowledge branch or profession.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Troubled by many diseases: This is a normal derivation.> > > Since 8th> > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > malefic house (a dustana) lagna lord going to 8th weakness to> > > > > > > body and> > > > > > > > > health (lagna) - i.e. disease.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Immoral sexual activities with other women: 8th is 3rd> > > (growth)> > > > > > > from 6th> > > > > > > > > (immoral sex). Further lagna lord in 8th aspects 2nd (many> > > > > > > wives). Again 8th> > > > > > > > > being a malefic house it could indicate immoral activities.> > > > > > > Further 8th> > > > > > > > > house signify the sexual organs of the native. Combining> > > all the> > > > > > > above, the> > > > > > > > > result, immoral sexual activities with many other women can be> > > > > > > derived.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Interest in speculative games (e.g. dice, lottery etc): 8th> > > > > > > signifies a> > > > > > > > > weak mind caused by bad health and immoral activities - this> > > > > > > makes the> > > > > > > > > native interested in speculative games and bad habits. But> > > since> > > > > > > > > `speculation' is signified by 3rd, the logic behind is not> > > clear> > > > > > > enough. A> > > > > > > > > better logic could be - 8th is a malefic house, a planet> > > in 8th> > > > > > > aspects 2nd> > > > > > > > > house, indicating some bad effects for 2nd house; the native> > > > > > > would waste> > > > > > > > > much money unnecessarily - possibly in speculative games and> > > > > > > immoral> > > > > > > > > activities. But 8th being 7th from 2nd, this logic too is not> > > > > > > satisfactory.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Angry and unsettled mind: Due to the above reasons. 8th is 3rd> > > > > > > (upachaya;> > > > > > > > > growth) from 6th. Thus it could signify the growth of the bad> > > > > > > qualities> > > > > > > > > signified by 6th house. Possibly the saying `a weak body> > > causes a> > > > > > > weak mind'> > > > > > > > > - is of special importance as far as lagna lord in 8th is> > > > > > > concerned. Thus> > > > > > > > > the native will have many blind beliefs.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Another version of the Parasara is also available on the> > > same, as> > > > > > > quoted> > > > > > > > > below.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th or 12th house, the native would> > > be very> > > > > > > efficient> > > > > > > > > in the subject he learned. He will indulge in immoral> > > activities> > > > > > > such as> > > > > > > > > playing speculative and money wasting games such as dice or> > > > > > > lottery, theft,> > > > > > > > > indulging in sexual acts with others women and so on. He> > > would be> > > > > > > a very> > > > > > > > > angry person as well.*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > - *Parasara Hora*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here too the derivations are much similar to the one given> > > in the> > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > quote. Now let us see what Meenaraja has to say.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in 8th, the native will not be thankful> > > (to the> > > > > > > help he> > > > > > > > > received form others). He will be interested in> > > accumulating much> > > > > > > money and> > > > > > > > > will have good longevity. If the lagna lord placed in 8th is a> > > > > > > malefic, then> > > > > > > > > the native will use bad and cruel words and his body would> > > be a> > > > > > > pale> > > > > > > > > yellowish one.*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *- Meenaraja Hora*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The native would be thankless: thanklessness is signified> > > by 8th> > > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He would be interested in accumulating money: Lagna lord> > > in 8th> > > > > > > aspects,> > > > > > > > > 2nd house providing beneficial results to 2nd house - that> > > is why> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > derivation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Will have good longevity: 8th is house of longevity. Lagna> > > lord> > > > > > > in 8th> > > > > > > > > gives beneficial results for 8th - increasing longevity. But> > > > > > > don't forget> > > > > > > > > that lagna lord in 8th causes bad results for lagna (body)> > > > > > > causing bad> > > > > > > > > health (diseases) as well.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Use of bad words: If lagna lord is malefic and is placed> > > in 8th,> > > > > > > the same> > > > > > > > > has aspect on 2nd house. The malefic aspect on 2nd house> > > (words)> > > > > > > causes the> > > > > > > > > derivation - `the native will use bad and cruel words'> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pale yellowish body: Possibly indicating bad health - weak> > > body.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The Phaladeepika sloka giving the generalized results for> > > lagna> > > > > > > lord in> > > > > > > > > malefic houses (6-8-12) is applicable here. The sloka is> > > quoted> > > > > > > below-> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *If lagna lord is in malefic houses such as 6-8-12, the> > > could be> > > > > > > stay or> > > > > > > > > warrants against the native. He would have to hide from many.> > > > > > > Diseases would> > > > > > > > > trouble him. He will indulge in activities that were> > > unnecessary,> > > > > > > or not> > > > > > > > > directly related to him in any way, and the same would cause> > > > > > > trouble. He> > > > > > > > > will lose his position and reputation due to all this and may> > > > > > > have to leave> > > > > > > > > his native place.*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *- Phaladeepika*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Horaratna, Hora pradeepam, Jataka saradeepa are unanimous in> > > > > > > quoting the> > > > > > > > > above Meenara hora sloka itself.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 8th house signifies things such as - death; suffering> > > - due to> > > > > > > > > disease, health problems, poverty etc; place of death,> > > sadness,> > > > > > > longevity,> > > > > > > > > addiction to immoral activities and bad habits, mastery and> > > > > > > dedication to> > > > > > > > > the subject under study, fame etc. Thus the placement of lagna> > > > > > > lord in 8th> > > > > > > > > generates special importance to the derivations related to the> > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fussy? 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