SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY - I THINK HE IS SRINADH

October 17, 2007

Dear Prabhat,

The proofs will follow - don't worry.. The proofs are nothing but

the quots from Valmiki Ramayana itself. Also you should note that it

is not that easy to say sorry - when many such things are going to

follow.

Take a deep breath and prepare yourself to bear what may follow...

:)

Since I am not a hindu or muslim or sikh or christian (or part of

any other religion) - the sacredness ascribed to texts by religions

don't apply to me. I have great reverence for the words of enlightened

ones - whether that is Buddha, Mahaveera, Krishna, Christ, Jiddu or

anyone else - as of spirituality I think that is enough. As of

astrology, I revere and respect the path shown by sages - because

there knowledge and understanding reflect on the same - and I can feel

it.

So what ever you feel apt - it is up to you. For me no apology is

pending - and if you want one - just wait for some more time; a

thousand such instances may come (really! beware! It is going to

happen!) and I will give an apology - just to make you calm.. You

see - such an apology does not have any other relevance..

Note: Was it you the duplicate id? If not, pardon my guess...

For two days I would be in official tour and won't be able to check

mails or respond - so making noise may not help for a day or two..

Please keep this in mind...

Love,

Sreenadh

, prabhat_shcil wrote:

>

> dear guys ,

>

> WITH DUE RESPECT TO ALL THE ELDERS !!!!!!!!

>

> incident of mother kaushalya sleeping with horse ? well i am

shocked ? well look like we are talking about some cheap novel

written by some sex starved maniac - not the VALMIKI RAMAYAN - i hope

guys at RSS are not aware about this .

>

> please friend use your wild imaginations at home -LET ME ASK SOME

VALID QUESTIONS

>

> 1 what is the proof with you that you guy have authentic - really

authentic ramayana written by sage VALIMIK ?

>

> 2 Pushyamitra sunga - was the real guy responsible for distortion in

the RAMAYANA .( I MAY agree on one fact that there are some

interpolation in the text - but nobody knows who was the responsible

for the same ) - may be it was MAX MULER or our own commi historian

who knows ?

>

> 3 RAMA was not the mere a northern king - he was MARYADA PURSHOTTAM

- any thing against RAM would not be tolerated - TRY to put some

REMARK against ISLAM - MOHD or JESUS - you will immediately know

your fate .

>

> 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of

PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct of

buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting the

text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for a

very brief period ) - in such a short stinct he may have forced his

energies on consolidating his empire - fighting insurgency - outside

attack and conspiracies - which were happening at that time . which is

validated by short stinct of sunga dynasty.

>

> 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about the

Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just 8/9

year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of VISHNU -

whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get distracted

from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period . yOU MAY

ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA -

>

> BUT NO BODY NO FOR SURE WHAT KIND OF POLITICAL AND SOCIAL CHNAGES

WERE HAPPENING AT THAT TIME - AND WHO HAD GOD KNOWS WHAT MOTIVATION TO

DISTORT ANCIENT TEXTS-.

>

> IT could be buddhist angle , outside attackers , muslim rulers -

GAZNAVI , GOURIES - temiure - who destroyed burned our libraries ,

destroyed temples.

>

> SO PLEASE BEFORE MAKING ANY STATEMENT ON SACRED TEXT LIKE RAMYANA -

PLEASE UNDERTAND YOU PEOPLE DONT HAVE VISION TO LOOK IN TO THE PAST -

SO DONT MAKE FOOLISH COMMENT AND INTERPRETATIONS OF RITUALS. YOU MAY

NOT IN WHAT CONTEXT A PERTICULAR WORD WAS USED. WHETHER THE TRANSLATOR

WHO DID THE TRANLATION HAD PERFECT UNDERSTANDING OF WORDS - GRAMMERS ETC.

>

> REGARDS

>

> P

>

> prabhat mishra

> Dubai- UAE

> Mob No 00971508876536

>

> -

> rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp

> ancient indian astrology

> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)

> Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR FIGHT

>

> comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing such

> henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama , hanuman,

> agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring back

> mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let him beg

> apology. keep quiet ~RP.

>

> , Arakampakkam

> Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:

> >

> > hi ,

> > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded .

> > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others

> > at

> >

> > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> >

> > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM

> > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR FIGHT

> >

> > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!

> >

> > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your chart

> and

> > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana in sunga

> > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.

> >

> > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme knowledge),

> > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology for

> making

> > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will give u

> > proper teaching of astrology.

> >

> > ~RP

> >

>

> --

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> Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!

>

October 17, 2007

Dear Prabhat ji,

> ITS NOT YOUR FAULT - YOU ARE ALSO UNDER THE SAME MAYA .

Oh....dear me!!!

" Long for the wakeful is the night.

Long for the weary, a league.

For fools

unaware of True Dhamma,

samsara

is long. " - Dhammapada

> And just one more question why there are not many follower of

buddha in the land of Budhha .?

I am glad you asked this question. May I ask why there is so much

blood shed, poverty and class discrimination etc. etc. etc. in the

land of Buddha but with a handful of followers of Buddha.

Let me add this too..I DO respect all religions. What is good or bad

is not confined to one religion. It is a universal truth. It is the

reality.

blessings

Renu

>

> prabhat mishra

> Dubai- UAE

> Mob No 00971508876536

>

> -

> renunw <renunw

> ancient indian astrology

> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:26:23 +0530 (IST)

> Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY -

I THINK HE IS SRINADH

>

> Hi Mr. P,

>

> > 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of

> PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct

of

> buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting the

> text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for a

> very brief period )

>

> Please don't assume things which you or I are not aware of.

>

> " > 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about

the

> Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just 8/9

> year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of VISHNU -

> whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get distracted

> from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period . yOU

> MAY ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA - "

>

> Kindly come out with the MAYA created by Gautama Buddha. According

> to my knowledge people got attracted and not distracted to DHARMA

as

> a result of the englightened path shown by Gautama Buddha. If

> following the 5 precepts;

> 1.abstain from taking anothers life,

> 2.abstain from stealing,

> 3.abstain from adultery,

> 4.abstain from lying,

> 5.abstain from consumption of intoxicant

>

> AND

> living according to Noble Eight Fold Path;

> Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajÃ± & #257;, P & #257;li: paÃ±Ã± & #257;)

> 1. Right view

> 2. Right intention

> Ethical conduct (Sanskrit: & #347; & #299;la, P & #257;li: s & #299;la)

> 3. Right speech

> 4. Right action

> 5. Right livelihood

> Mental discipline (Sanskrit and P & #257;li: sam & #257;dhi)

> 6. Right effort

> 7. Right mindfulness

> 8. Right concentration

>

> AND

>

> accepting suffering and happiness with equanimity, utmost

> compassion towards the world irrespective of caste, class,

religion

> or race, unlimited generosity, love, kindness etc. can be called

> MAYA, you are right Mr. P.

>

> Note: Sreenadh ji,...I am very sorry if I deviated from the

current

> subject matter. I hope you would understand my concern. Thanks.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> >

> > prabhat mishra

> > Dubai- UAE

> > Mob No 00971508876536

> >

> > -

> > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > ancient indian astrology

>

> > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)

> > Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR

> FIGHT

> >

> > comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing such

> > henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama ,

hanuman,

> > agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring

back

> > mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let

him

> beg

> > apology. keep quiet ~RP.

> >

> > , Arakampakkam

> > Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:

> > >

> > > hi ,

> > > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded .

> > > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others

> > > at

> > >

> > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > >

> > > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM

> > > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR

FIGHT

> > >

> > > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!

> > >

> > > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your

> chart

> > and

> > > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana in

> sunga

> > > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.

> > >

> > > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme

> knowledge),

> > > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology for

> > making

> > > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will give

u

> > > proper teaching of astrology.

> > >

> > > ~RP

> > >

> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > >

> >

> > --

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October 17, 2007

Dear Prabhat,

==>

> regarding duplicate id - i dont know what you mean - i have this

user id and i dont have to hide behind anybody

<==

Ok. Good.

==>

> i tried to challange ..

<==

Sorry, you made a mistake! You never did but RP did it! Just be a

bit careful - while writing mails.

==>

> regarding your so called proof - please also mention the year of

publication of so called text - if you have something written on

BHOJPATRA - dating back some 5000 to 10000 BC please send the scan

copy .

<==

Don't you know that 'Valmiki Ramayana' is available in print and is

available any where in india?

==>

> otherwise stop quoting from the texts of some ignorant researcher

<==

Oh! That is bad! Do you think sage valmiki was an ignorant

researcher?!! How can you say such a hilarious thing?!!

==>

> And which VALIMIKI RAMAYANA you are going to quote - do you have

> original copy of VALMIKI RAMAYANA .?

<==

There is 4 versions of Valmiki Ramayana available - all 4 more or

less the same. What do you mean by this 'original'? ) Friend, it is

a well known text available throughout india as well as in good

foreign libraries and even online.

==>

May be you can teach some lesson to Congress govt and KARUNANIDHI -

because as per them RAM is a figure from MYTHOLOGY .

<==

Ok - good - one more matching quote with the spammer. Lol...

Well done!

Thanks,

Sreenadh

, prabhat_shcil wrote:

>

> Dear sreenadh,

>

> regarding duplicate id - i dont know what you mean - i have this

user id and i dont have to hide behind anybody - i am a private banker

working with ICICI BANK at DUBAI . I AM very open and not afraid of

ANYbody - i stand for the truth and truth will prevail.

>

> regarding your so called proof - please also mention the year of

publication of so called text - if you have something written on

BHOJPATRA - dating back some 5000 to 10000 BC please send the scan

copy .

>

> otherwise stop quoting from the texts of some ignorant researcher -

cause i can put 1000 text which can prove RAMA came from IRAN / EGYPT

/ MAYAN EMPIRE etc etc . VALIMIKI NAME was homer , jesus was GAUTAM

budhha - and what not there is lot of trash lying in the name of TRUTH

and research and original .

>

> And which VALIMIKI RAMAYANA you are going to quote - do you have

original copy of VALMIKI RAMAYANA .?

>

> And please you dont apologise - have my apology - i tried to

challange your wisdom on ancient text and history - May be you can

teach some lesson to Congress govt and KARUNANIDHI - because as per

them RAM is a figure from MYTHOLOGY .

>

> AND ALSO one SIMPLE QUOTE HARI ANANT HARI KATHA ANANTA.

>

> prabhat mishra

> Dubai- UAE

> Mob No 00971508876536

>

> -

> Sreenadh <sreesog

> ancient indian astrology

> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:09:26 +0530 (IST)

> Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY -

I THINK HE IS SRINADH

>

> Dear Prabhat,

> The proofs will follow - don't worry.. The proofs are nothing but

> the quots from Valmiki Ramayana itself. Also you should note that it

> is not that easy to say sorry - when many such things are going to

> follow.

> Take a deep breath and prepare yourself to bear what may follow...

> :)

> Since I am not a hindu or muslim or sikh or christian (or part of

> any other religion) - the sacredness ascribed to texts by religions

> don't apply to me. I have great reverence for the words of enlightened

> ones - whether that is Buddha, Mahaveera, Krishna, Christ, Jiddu or

> anyone else - as of spirituality I think that is enough. As of

> astrology, I revere and respect the path shown by sages - because

> there knowledge and understanding reflect on the same - and I can feel

> it.

> So what ever you feel apt - it is up to you. For me no apology is

> pending - and if you want one - just wait for some more time; a

> thousand such instances may come (really! beware! It is going to

> happen!) and I will give an apology - just to make you calm.. You

> see - such an apology does not have any other relevance..

> Note: Was it you the duplicate id? If not, pardon my guess...

> For two days I would be in official tour and won't be able to check

> mails or respond - so making noise may not help for a day or two..

> Please keep this in mind...

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , prabhat_shcil@ wrote:

> >

> > dear guys ,

> >

> > WITH DUE RESPECT TO ALL THE ELDERS !!!!!!!!

> >

> > incident of mother kaushalya sleeping with horse ? well i am

> shocked ? well look like we are talking about some cheap novel

> written by some sex starved maniac - not the VALMIKI RAMAYAN - i hope

> guys at RSS are not aware about this .

> >

> > please friend use your wild imaginations at home -LET ME ASK SOME

> VALID QUESTIONS

> >

> > 1 what is the proof with you that you guy have authentic - really

> authentic ramayana written by sage VALIMIK ?

> >

> > 2 Pushyamitra sunga - was the real guy responsible for distortion in

> the RAMAYANA .( I MAY agree on one fact that there are some

> interpolation in the text - but nobody knows who was the responsible

> for the same ) - may be it was MAX MULER or our own commi historian

> who knows ?

> >

> > 3 RAMA was not the mere a northern king - he was MARYADA PURSHOTTAM

> - any thing against RAM would not be tolerated - TRY to put some

> REMARK against ISLAM - MOHD or JESUS - you will immediately know

> your fate .

> >

> > 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of

> PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct of

> buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting the

> text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for a

> very brief period ) - in such a short stinct he may have forced his

> energies on consolidating his empire - fighting insurgency - outside

> attack and conspiracies - which were happening at that time . which is

> validated by short stinct of sunga dynasty.

> >

> > 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about the

> Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just 8/9

> year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of VISHNU -

> whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get distracted

> from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period . yOU MAY

> ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA -

> >

> > BUT NO BODY NO FOR SURE WHAT KIND OF POLITICAL AND SOCIAL CHNAGES

> WERE HAPPENING AT THAT TIME - AND WHO HAD GOD KNOWS WHAT MOTIVATION TO

> DISTORT ANCIENT TEXTS-.

> >

> > IT could be buddhist angle , outside attackers , muslim rulers -

> GAZNAVI , GOURIES - temiure - who destroyed burned our libraries ,

> destroyed temples.

> >

> > SO PLEASE BEFORE MAKING ANY STATEMENT ON SACRED TEXT LIKE RAMYANA -

> PLEASE UNDERTAND YOU PEOPLE DONT HAVE VISION TO LOOK IN TO THE PAST -

> SO DONT MAKE FOOLISH COMMENT AND INTERPRETATIONS OF RITUALS. YOU MAY

> NOT IN WHAT CONTEXT A PERTICULAR WORD WAS USED. WHETHER THE TRANSLATOR

> WHO DID THE TRANLATION HAD PERFECT UNDERSTANDING OF WORDS - GRAMMERS

ETC.

> >

> > REGARDS

> >

> > P

> >

> > prabhat mishra

> > Dubai- UAE

> > Mob No 00971508876536

> >

> > -

> > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > ancient indian astrology

> > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)

> > Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR FIGHT

> >

> > comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing such

> > henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama , hanuman,

> > agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring back

> > mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let him beg

> > apology. keep quiet ~RP.

> >

> > , Arakampakkam

> > Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:

> > >

> > > hi ,

> > > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded .

> > > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others

> > > at

> > >

> > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > >

> > > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM

> > > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR FIGHT

> > >

> > > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!

> > >

> > > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your chart

> > and

> > > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana in sunga

> > > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.

> > >

> > > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme knowledge),

> > > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology for

> > making

> > > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will give u

> > > proper teaching of astrology.

> > >

> > > ~RP

> > >

> >

> > --

> > My life has changed. What about yours?

> > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!

> >

>

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October 17, 2007

Hare ramakrishna ,

dear prabhat ji .

why it is so if what budha was taught is all sanathan dharma ,then y all budhist monk were be headed in india ,and cruely procecuted and even the kula of valmiki is scavengers and other rishis is scheduled castes .Can u tell me what happened to the gutama budha royal family are they still khsatriyas .

U say may be interpolations happened and in another breath says its sacred ,how u can keep this double standard if u feel u r a true hindu and value its sacred ness .Dont u think its also ur duty to find out what is truth ?

Or some fanatiscm is irked inside u ,which cannot tolerate any thing ,then we can re introduce all sati and all malpractises in name of holy scriptures and so instead of u banking u will do pooja and less struggles for others.

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, prabhat_shcil wrote:>> DEAR RENU JI ,> > What budhha taught was always there in INDIAN - sanatan Dharma . There was nothing new .RAMA HIMSELF SET is personal example thats why we called him maryada purshottam. GAUTAM was VISHNU AVTAR and MAYA he created was to people lost faith in their ancient text , rishi , tradition - which definetely happened in BUDHHA FOLLOWERS TIME - and is still going on - BECUAASE Its the KALIYUGA - WHEN PEOPLE WILL FIND FAULT IN THEIR - IDOL - SYMBOLS OF GODS AND POINT FINGURE TOWARDS - RAMA .(dharma)> > ITS NOT YOUR FAULT - YOU ARE ALSO UNDER THE SAME MAYA .> > And i am 100% sure about pushyamitra sunga and sunga dynasty - i am not claiming i know more than you - but here my knowledge is definetly more than you . > > And just one more question why there are not many follower of buddha in the land of Budhha .?> > prabhat mishra> Dubai- UAE> Mob No 00971508876536 > > -> renunw renunw ancient indian astrology > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:26:23 +0530 (IST)> Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY - I THINK HE IS SRINADH> > > Hi Mr. P,> > > 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of > PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct of > buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting the > text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for a > very brief period ) > > Please don't assume things which you or I are not aware of.> > "> 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about the > Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just 8/9 > year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of VISHNU - > whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get distracted > from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period . yOU > MAY ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA -"> > Kindly come out with the MAYA created by Gautama Buddha. According > to my knowledge people got attracted and not distracted to DHARMA as > a result of the englightened path shown by Gautama Buddha. If > following the 5 precepts;> 1.abstain from taking anothers life, > 2.abstain from stealing, > 3.abstain from adultery, > 4.abstain from lying,> 5.abstain from consumption of intoxicant> > AND> living according to Noble Eight Fold Path;> Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajÃ± & #257;, P & #257;li: paÃ±Ã± & #257;) > 1. Right view > 2. Right intention > Ethical conduct (Sanskrit: & #347; & #299;la, P & #257;li: s & #299;la) > 3. Right speech > 4. Right action > 5. Right livelihood > Mental discipline (Sanskrit and P & #257;li: sam & #257;dhi) > 6. Right effort > 7. Right mindfulness > 8. Right concentration > > AND> > accepting suffering and happiness with equanimity, utmost > compassion towards the world irrespective of caste, class, religion > or race, unlimited generosity, love, kindness etc. can be called > MAYA, you are right Mr. P.> > Note: Sreenadh ji,...I am very sorry if I deviated from the current > subject matter. I hope you would understand my concern. Thanks.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > > > > > prabhat mishra> > Dubai- UAE> > Mob No 00971508876536 > > > > -> > rpsingh1rp rpsingh1rp@> > ancient indian astrology > > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)> > Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR > FIGHT> > > > comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing such > > henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama , hanuman, > > agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring back > > mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let him > beg > > apology. keep quiet ~RP.> > > > , Arakampakkam > > Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:> > >> > > hi ,> > > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded . > > > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others> > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>> > > > > > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM> > > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR FIGHT> > > > > > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!> > > > > > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your > chart > > and> > > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana in > sunga> > > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.> > > > > > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme > knowledge),> > > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology for > > making> > > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will give u> > > proper teaching of astrology.> > > > > > ~RP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --> > My life has changed. What about yours?> > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!> >> > > > > --> My life has changed. What about yours?> Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!>

October 17, 2007

Hare ramakrishna.

dear prabhat ji .

As u see in adressing mantras u can know how devoted i am and i blv in real spirituality and dharmas promoted by rishis ,even lord rama in his incarnation was prostrating before the rishis .Our religion is not started by one man ,it was a natural flow of unending wisdom and the real gems got scattered over a period of time .Even all the attacks or suppression cannot do anything to religion and if u read history ( i am not a history student -but travelled wide ) any country under rule of a purticular people ,all subjucts naturaly changes to the religion of ruling classes within first century itself ,it was the case of all countries except indian sub continent .

When u asked the question to renu ji a respected memebr of the forum only i asked u all the questions .

As regrding ur quotes abt ramayana and its originality --its not my subjuct here .The tread was started by sreenadhji and he will answer it within 3 days .But i blv like all kings of india who advocated all religions without any fear and fanatic feeling some discussions abt the religion wont undermine hinduism (sanathan dharma ) .It has very strong roots and footing and if u see neo converts to hindu beliefs its self will tell u the storey ,and this grp is not meant for it ,so i am not disclosing it here >it happened without any pressure ,no missionary works and they r ready to contribute than we finance them and some of them r worlds richest also .

Thanks u for using good words abt astrological knowledge of me and i still feel i am student .and i know i cannot cross the ocean of our knowledge of astrology in this life time .so many systems and techniqs all equaly supporting each other .from face reading to chart reading ,even 100s of diffrnt thoughts .

Yes,i dont know much history ,but our supression against own people only started our down fall ,as u know in dubai i think the sheik is raising money to help poor may b 100mn dollars ,and i am sure its going to poor muslim countries ,where as as an astrologer i can say rich brothers r still asking for free predictions and then he wont even ask u how is ur family .This is indians false spirituality .Which was not so during kingdoms and now i think some corporates r more making than any kings of india ,but they want more only .

If u see bill gates he may be contributing 50% of his money to charity .Atleast u r a travelled person ,u know richness of hindus in gulf tru business ,how many may be doing that .I know in tamil nadu brahmins are paid 500rs even these time as monthly allowance for poojas in temples of state goverment and how we ppl r going to protect our dharma ?

Now some US hindu group (non indians ) asked me to get approval from kerala tantri samajam(which consist of only nampoothiri brahmins of kerala) for teaching poojas ,mantras and tantra to any caste student from any where in india .To train future pundits .But it will be a real syllabus and if happened this boys will create wonders .

any way thanks for responding ,sorry if i say anything which hurt u .

the scavencher word i used for valmiki"s own caste ,u did not write it ,so how a proud hindu can tolerate it ,a rishis kula is sufferring ?r the rishis is not as good as our forefathers ?Our tradition teachs us to do tarpan for bheeshma and all rishis who ever not married ,so we accept them as our forefahthers ,is it not ?

I am writing it as a general mail to all group memebers for awareness and u need not answer it .

thanks and respectfully

sunil nair

Om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, prabhat_shcil wrote:>> dear friend i dont want to do more argument - jut some doubt - which are real and everywhere> > > Structure of Valmiki Ramayan> Valmiki's Ramayana, the oldest version of Ramayan is the basis of all the various versions of the Ramayan that are relevant in the various cultures. The text survives in numerous complete and partial manuscripts, the oldest surviving of which is dated from the eleventh century AD.[5] The current text of Valmiki Ramayan has come down to us in two regional versions from the north and the south of India. Valmiki Ramayan has been traditionally divided into seven books, dealing with the life of Rama from his birth to his death.> > Bala Kanda â€" Book of the young Rama which details the miraculous birth of Rama, his early life in Ayodhya, his slaying of the demons of the forest at the request of Vishvamitra and his wedding with Sita. > Ayodhya Kanda â€" Book of Ayodhya in which Dasharath comes to grief over his promise to Kaikeyi and the start of Rama's exile. > Aranya Kanda â€" Book of the Forest which describes Rama's life in the forest and the abduction of Sita by Ravana. > Kishkindya Kanda â€" Book of Kishkinda, the Vanara kingdom in which Rama befriends Sugriva and the Vanara army and begins the search for Sita. > Sundar Kanda â€" Book of Sundar (Hanuman) in which Hanuman travels to Lanka and finds Sita imprisoned there and brings back the good news to Raam. > Yuddha Kanda Book of the War, which narrates the Rama-Ravana war and the return of the successful Rama to Ayodhya and his coronation. > Uttar Kanda â€" Epilogue, which details the life of Rama and Sita after their return to Ayodhya, Sita's banishment and how Sita and Rama pass on to the next world. > > There have been speculations on whether the first and the last chapters of Valmiki's Ramayan were written by the original author. Many experts are of the opinion that they are integral parts of the book in spite of the many differences in style and some contradictions in content between these two chapters and the rest of the book.[6][7] These two chapters contain most of the interpolations found in the Ramayan, such as the miraculous birth of Rama and his divine nature as well as the numerous legends surrounding Raavan.> > what You guy are going you quote can / may not be authentic ramayana . and sunil ji your knowledge of astrology could be very good , mine is not . But your knowledge of history is certainly poor - mine is not . > > i am talking about history , turbulent times of the period starting from appx 500bc - there was lot of thing happening in india - ATTACKs by GREEK , SHAKA , KUSHAN , MANGOL , HUN , later TAJIC , ARAB - their destruction of ancient text , attempt to disfigure the culture - destroy our temples of knowledge like NALANDA / TAXILA - where millions of book simply burned . And they challenge before us to safegaurd the History / sacred books , maintaining the our cultural values , rituals alive , and also some attempt happened by way of doing fortifications in thought process. And it seems your the ouctcome of that thought process - as you are using the worde like SCAVANGER and what not which i never used .> > For me RAMA is sacred but i also have open mind to understand that some interpolation happened - in first and last part of RAMAYANA - for which there are several learned opinion available - Just see them before accusing me .> > And regarding the SATI PRATHA - if you have knowledge of history it only started / manifested during MUGAL / ARAB attacks - when hordes of woman died - after burning themselve - cause their husbands / sons entire clan has been wiped out by MUGUL attackers - who were trying to establish their kingdom . so this was some bad / hoorific / sad event of our history - which any student of history will understand - and will also know it was never a tradition / cultural pride - but a shame on our history . When our women has to sacrifice themselves to save their pride . May now you understand the SATI PRATHA - it was only in the rcent history wrong people has used for wrong use and glorification for their selfish end - which was deplorable act .> > PLease dont blame everything on scripture - better learn some history . and analyse the event of the past> > > > prabhat mishra> Dubai- UAE> Mob No 00971508876536 > > -> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala ancient indian astrology > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:28:54 +0530 (IST)> Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY - I THINK HE IS SRINADH> > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > dear prabhat ji .> > why it is so if what budha was taught is all sanathan dharma ,then> y all budhist monk were be headed in india ,and cruely procecuted and> even the kula of valmiki is scavengers and other rishis is scheduled> castes .Can u tell me what happened to the gutama budha royal family are> they still khsatriyas .> > U say may be interpolations happened and in another breath says its> sacred ,how u can keep this double standard if u feel u r a true hindu> and value its sacred ness .Dont u think its also ur duty to find out> what is truth ?> > Or some fanatiscm is irked inside u ,which cannot tolerate any thing> ,then we can re introduce all sati and all malpractises in name of holy> scriptures and so instead of u banking u will do pooja and less> struggles for others.> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > , prabhat_shcil@> wrote:> >> > DEAR RENU JI ,> >> > What budhha taught was always there in INDIAN - sanatan Dharma . There> was nothing new .RAMA HIMSELF SET is personal example thats why we> called him maryada purshottam. GAUTAM was VISHNU AVTAR and MAYA he> created was to people lost faith in their ancient text , rishi ,> tradition - which definetely happened in BUDHHA FOLLOWERS TIME - and is> still going on - BECUAASE Its the KALIYUGA - WHEN PEOPLE WILL FIND FAULT> IN THEIR - IDOL - SYMBOLS OF GODS AND POINT FINGURE TOWARDS - RAMA> .(dharma)> >> > ITS NOT YOUR FAULT - YOU ARE ALSO UNDER THE SAME MAYA .> >> > And i am 100% sure about pushyamitra sunga and sunga dynasty - i am> not claiming i know more than you - but here my knowledge is definetly> more than you .> >> > And just one more question why there are not many follower of buddha> in the land of Budhha .?> >> > prabhat mishra> > Dubai- UAE> > Mob No 00971508876536 > >> > -> > renunw renunw@> > ancient indian astrology > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:26:23 +0530 (IST)> > Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY - I> THINK HE IS SRINADH> >> >> > Hi Mr. P,> >> > > 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of> > PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct of> > buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting the> > text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for a> > very brief period )> >> > Please don't assume things which you or I are not aware of.> >> > "> 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about the> > Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just 8/9> > year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of VISHNU -> > whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get distracted> > from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period . yOU> > MAY ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA -"> >> > Kindly come out with the MAYA created by Gautama Buddha. According> > to my knowledge people got attracted and not distracted to DHARMA as> > a result of the englightened path shown by Gautama Buddha. If> > following the 5 precepts;> > 1.abstain from taking anothers life,> > 2.abstain from stealing,> > 3.abstain from adultery,> > 4.abstain from lying,> > 5.abstain from consumption of intoxicant> >> > AND> > living according to Noble Eight Fold Path;> > Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajÃƒÂ± & #257;, P & #257;li: paÃƒÂ±ÃƒÂ± & #257;)> > 1. Right view> > 2. Right intention> > Ethical conduct (Sanskrit: & #347; & #299;la, P & #257;li: s & #299;la)> > 3. Right speech> > 4. Right action> > 5. Right livelihood> > Mental discipline (Sanskrit and P & #257;li: sam & #257;dhi)> > 6. Right effort> > 7. Right mindfulness> > 8. Right concentration> >> > AND> >> > accepting suffering and happiness with equanimity, utmost> > compassion towards the world irrespective of caste, class, religion> > or race, unlimited generosity, love, kindness etc. can be called> > MAYA, you are right Mr. P.> >> > Note: Sreenadh ji,...I am very sorry if I deviated from the current> > subject matter. I hope you would understand my concern. Thanks.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > prabhat mishra> > > Dubai- UAE> > > Mob No 00971508876536 > > >> > > -> > > rpsingh1rp rpsingh1rp@> > > ancient indian astrology> > > > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)> > > Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR> > FIGHT> > >> > > comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing such> > > henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama , hanuman,> > > agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring back> > > mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let him> > beg> > > apology. keep quiet ~RP.> > >> > > , Arakampakkam> > > Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:> > > >> > > > hi ,> > > > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded .> > > > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others> > > > at> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>> > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM> > > > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR FIGHT> > > >> > > > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!> > > >> > > > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your> > chart> > > and> > > > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana in> > sunga> > > > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.> > > >> > > > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme> > knowledge),> > > > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology for> > > making> > > > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will give u> > > > proper teaching of astrology.> > > >> > > > ~RP> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > My life has changed. What about yours?> > > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!> > >> >> >> >> >> > --> > My life has changed. What about yours?> > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!> >> > > > > --> My life has changed. What about yours?> Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!>

October 17, 2007

Dear Prabhat,

Your knowledge of History is very good, but the depths of " INDIAN

HISTORY " has a few loop holes here and there, may be because you of

the many, years back, it was taught to you.

Please accept my humble statement as a neutral person in this heated

argument between most of you on this site, without knowing the truth

as why:HINDUISM WEAKENED AND WAS TAKEN OVER BY MANY OUT RELIGIONS.

The Aryan were very dominant and held a prominent post in the

teachings of Hinduism.No written matter prevailed then, only oral

rites were carried on. Please go on any search engine and find this

out.I have no extra time to spare as I have to run about in UAE and do

my own Sales and Marketing to bring up a brand new company we just

opened.My family has lost Dhs5 Million and now having re-invested

another amount, I too have to contribute to bring is business. You are

in Dubai and know very well, how difficult it is for a woman of 54 to

go into the project sites and fight for contracts and projects etc,.My

line being " Signage,Aluminium castings and Steel structures/Gantry

works and road dividers and camel fences too.

But, if you like to borrow a few books on world history, Indian

History I can arrange to drop this at your office or residence on my

sales and marketing rounds.I leave home by 6AM and return by

10PM.Inbetween I try to sneak off to take a small nap in some shopping

mall or covered car parking.As you know how difficult it is with the

mad traffick on these roads, I live in Ajman, and move around all the

seven emirates.Tomorrow I am in Abu Dhabi at 10.30 AM.Meeting with Mr

Ravi Raman the owner of Space-Age,THE EARLIEST COMPANY TO LIGHT UP THE

STREETS OF THE UAE 30 YEARS AGO.He is from Adayar -Chennai, my eldest

brother's class mate.He has donated his entire lands to SWAMI

AYYAPPA.A good sized temple is there and the pujaree and all staff are

being taken care of , by him.I can't spare more time , but will be

available on Friday between 3 and 6 PM if you wish to meet me and

discuss more on Indian History .

Re:Who were the first Indian Historians?????(Please find out!!!!)

:Why did the weaker Hindus leave ....Hinduism and accept

Islam/Christianity?

:Who was responsible for the stoppage of Sati?

:How many Hindu men took/fell for other community women or had

affairs with?

:When did the first written document in Hinduism come into existence?

:Where does it ever state that the Hindu woman was forced by the

persecutors to jump into the funeral pyre?

:Upto what age/date were paprus/peeple tree leaves used for writing

on/banana leaves/palm leaves,scrolls etc,.,?

:Who was responsible in any attempt to disfigure the culture of you

Hindus way back in the olden days?

:Do you agree that You Learnt In Modern Indian History that CASTE

SYSTEM WAS VERY, VERY, VERY RIGID?

:WHAT HAPPENED THEN????

:DID YOU LEARN ABOUT THE MAIN REASON WHY THE EUROPEANS CAME TO INDIA?

:IT THIS STATEMENT TRUE OF FALSE:- " WE COME FOR SPICES/JEWELS AND

PRECIOUS STONES,SLAVES AND SOULS,IN EXCHANGE FOR OUR SILVER AND GOLD? "

:Whose words are these? And who encouraged them to take to bed an

Indian woman for a few pegodas then?

:What happened to the children born out of wedlock or arranged

stuff etc,.,?

:Who helped in the first revolt againt the British?

:What happened after this to those who revolted?

:Till date are those who revolted being treated well?

Come my dear Prabhat and try to give me honest answers from the

history you remember well.

God Bless you and all who bear with such lenghty and bored stuff on

the whole.

Barbara Thyab Ali.

Cell 00971 050 6914668 (24 hrs on call).

, prabhat_shcil wrote:

>

> dear friend i dont want to do more argument - jut some doubt - which

are real and everywhere

>

> Structure of Valmiki Ramayan

> Valmiki's Ramayana, the oldest version of Ramayan is the basis of

all the various versions of the Ramayan that are relevant in the

various cultures. The text survives in numerous complete and partial

manuscripts, the oldest surviving of which is dated from the eleventh

century AD.[5] The current text of Valmiki Ramayan has come down to us

in two regional versions from the north and the south of India.

Valmiki Ramayan has been traditionally divided into seven books,

dealing with the life of Rama from his birth to his death.

>

> Bala Kanda â€ " Book of the young Rama which details the miraculous

birth of Rama, his early life in Ayodhya, his slaying of the demons of

the forest at the request of Vishvamitra and his wedding with Sita.

> Ayodhya Kanda â€ " Book of Ayodhya in which Dasharath comes to grief

over his promise to Kaikeyi and the start of Rama's exile.

> Aranya Kanda â€ " Book of the Forest which describes Rama's life in

the forest and the abduction of Sita by Ravana.

> Kishkindya Kanda â€ " Book of Kishkinda, the Vanara kingdom in which

Rama befriends Sugriva and the Vanara army and begins the search for

Sita.

> Sundar Kanda â€ " Book of Sundar (Hanuman) in which Hanuman travels

to Lanka and finds Sita imprisoned there and brings back the good news

to Raam.

> Yuddha Kanda Book of the War, which narrates the Rama-Ravana war and

the return of the successful Rama to Ayodhya and his coronation.

> Uttar Kanda â€ " Epilogue, which details the life of Rama and Sita

after their return to Ayodhya, Sita's banishment and how Sita and Rama

pass on to the next world.

>

> There have been speculations on whether the first and the last

chapters of Valmiki's Ramayan were written by the original author.

Many experts are of the opinion that they are integral parts of the

book in spite of the many differences in style and some contradictions

in content between these two chapters and the rest of the book.[6][7]

These two chapters contain most of the interpolations found in the

Ramayan, such as the miraculous birth of Rama and his divine nature as

well as the numerous legends surrounding Raavan.

>

> what You guy are going you quote can / may not be authentic ramayana

.. and sunil ji your knowledge of astrology could be very good ,

mine is not . But your knowledge of history is certainly poor - mine

is not .

>

> i am talking about history , turbulent times of the period starting

from appx 500bc - there was lot of thing happening in india - ATTACKs

by GREEK , SHAKA , KUSHAN , MANGOL , HUN , later TAJIC , ARAB - their

destruction of ancient text , attempt to disfigure the culture -

destroy our temples of knowledge like NALANDA / TAXILA - where

millions of book simply burned . And they challenge before us to

safegaurd the History / sacred books , maintaining the our cultural

values , rituals alive , and also some attempt happened by way of

doing fortifications in thought process. And it seems your the

ouctcome of that thought process - as you are using the worde like

SCAVANGER and what not which i never used .

>

> For me RAMA is sacred but i also have open mind to understand that

some interpolation happened - in first and last part of RAMAYANA - for

which there are several learned opinion available - Just see them

before accusing me .

>

> And regarding the SATI PRATHA - if you have knowledge of history it

only started / manifested during MUGAL / ARAB attacks - when hordes

of woman died - after burning themselve - cause their husbands / sons

entire clan has been wiped out by MUGUL attackers - who were trying

to establish their kingdom . so this was some bad / hoorific / sad

event of our history - which any student of history will understand -

and will also know it was never a tradition / cultural pride - but a

shame on our history . When our women has to sacrifice themselves to

save their pride . May now you understand the SATI PRATHA - it was

only in the rcent history wrong people has used for wrong use and

glorification for their selfish end - which was deplorable act .

>

> PLease dont blame everything on scripture - better learn some

history . and analyse the event of the past

>

> prabhat mishra

> Dubai- UAE

> Mob No 00971508876536

>

> -

> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

> ancient indian astrology

> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:28:54 +0530 (IST)

> Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY -

I THINK HE IS SRINADH

>

> Hare ramakrishna ,

>

> dear prabhat ji .

>

> why it is so if what budha was taught is all sanathan dharma ,then

> y all budhist monk were be headed in india ,and cruely procecuted and

> even the kula of valmiki is scavengers and other rishis is scheduled

> castes .Can u tell me what happened to the gutama budha royal family are

> they still khsatriyas .

>

> U say may be interpolations happened and in another breath says its

> sacred ,how u can keep this double standard if u feel u r a true hindu

> and value its sacred ness .Dont u think its also ur duty to find out

> what is truth ?

>

> Or some fanatiscm is irked inside u ,which cannot tolerate any thing

> ,then we can re introduce all sati and all malpractises in name of holy

> scriptures and so instead of u banking u will do pooja and less

> struggles for others.

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> , prabhat_shcil@

> wrote:

> >

> > DEAR RENU JI ,

> >

> > What budhha taught was always there in INDIAN - sanatan Dharma . There

> was nothing new .RAMA HIMSELF SET is personal example thats why we

> called him maryada purshottam. GAUTAM was VISHNU AVTAR and MAYA he

> created was to people lost faith in their ancient text , rishi ,

> tradition - which definetely happened in BUDHHA FOLLOWERS TIME - and is

> still going on - BECUAASE Its the KALIYUGA - WHEN PEOPLE WILL FIND FAULT

> IN THEIR - IDOL - SYMBOLS OF GODS AND POINT FINGURE TOWARDS - RAMA

> .(dharma)

> >

> > ITS NOT YOUR FAULT - YOU ARE ALSO UNDER THE SAME MAYA .

> >

> > And i am 100% sure about pushyamitra sunga and sunga dynasty - i am

> not claiming i know more than you - but here my knowledge is definetly

> more than you .

> >

> > And just one more question why there are not many follower of buddha

> in the land of Budhha .?

> >

> > prabhat mishra

> > Dubai- UAE

> > Mob No 00971508876536

> >

> > -

> > renunw renunw@

> > ancient indian astrology

> > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:26:23 +0530 (IST)

> > Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY - I

> THINK HE IS SRINADH

> >

> > Hi Mr. P,

> >

> > > 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of

> > PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct of

> > buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting the

> > text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for a

> > very brief period )

> >

> > Please don't assume things which you or I are not aware of.

> >

> > " > 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about the

> > Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just 8/9

> > year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of VISHNU -

> > whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get distracted

> > from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period . yOU

> > MAY ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA - "

> >

> > Kindly come out with the MAYA created by Gautama Buddha. According

> > to my knowledge people got attracted and not distracted to DHARMA as

> > a result of the englightened path shown by Gautama Buddha. If

> > following the 5 precepts;

> > 1.abstain from taking anothers life,

> > 2.abstain from stealing,

> > 3.abstain from adultery,

> > 4.abstain from lying,

> > 5.abstain from consumption of intoxicant

> >

> > AND

> > living according to Noble Eight Fold Path;

> > Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajÃƒÂ± & #257;, P & #257;li: paÃƒÂ±ÃƒÂ± & #257;)

> > 1. Right view

> > 2. Right intention

> > Ethical conduct (Sanskrit: & #347; & #299;la, P & #257;li: s & #299;la)

> > 3. Right speech

> > 4. Right action

> > 5. Right livelihood

> > Mental discipline (Sanskrit and P & #257;li: sam & #257;dhi)

> > 6. Right effort

> > 7. Right mindfulness

> > 8. Right concentration

> >

> > AND

> >

> > accepting suffering and happiness with equanimity, utmost

> > compassion towards the world irrespective of caste, class, religion

> > or race, unlimited generosity, love, kindness etc. can be called

> > MAYA, you are right Mr. P.

> >

> > Note: Sreenadh ji,...I am very sorry if I deviated from the current

> > subject matter. I hope you would understand my concern. Thanks.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > >

> > > prabhat mishra

> > > Dubai- UAE

> > > Mob No 00971508876536

> > >

> > > -

> > > rpsingh1rp rpsingh1rp@

> > > ancient indian astrology

> >

> > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)

> > > Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR

> > FIGHT

> > >

> > > comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing such

> > > henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama , hanuman,

> > > agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring back

> > > mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let him

> > beg

> > > apology. keep quiet ~RP.

> > >

> > > , Arakampakkam

> > > Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hi ,

> > > > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded .

> > > > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others

> > > > at

> > > >

> > > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM

> > > > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR FIGHT

> > > >

> > > > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!

> > > >

> > > > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your

> > chart

> > > and

> > > > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana in

> > sunga

> > > > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.

> > > >

> > > > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme

> > knowledge),

> > > > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology for

> > > making

> > > > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will give u

> > > > proper teaching of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > ~RP

> > > >

> > >

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October 18, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

dear barbara ji ,

Whatever u said abt kerala,keralites and indians is 100% correct .No body want to share the virtues and think abt their own fellow brothers .

but pls think that i am not pro hindu fanatic ,all my wording with prabhat ji was some monologues with him and as a great culture ,we cannot allow to decay >here wat they r doing only mention of some names every bodys blood start boiling and forget the real issues we must be addressed .

Nobody wanted to do some creative work or ideas and any body does they r suppossed to do a fire walk to prove themselves .

I hav respect for all religions and peoples tru out the world and still i blves the sheikh families of gulf were better than indian polititions .My reference of collection of fund for helping the poor ,pls dont read out of context .

Thanks i will write more when time permits ,now lil weak because of fever

may god bless u

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, "ayeshathyabali" <ayeshathyabali wrote:>> > > Dear Sunil,> > Your surname being 'Nair' tells what a great personality you are.The> US people want you to teach the Keralites, good for this,but dear are> the "Keralites" ready to share anything with the other people around> their territory?I know this very well, I have been doing enough social> work for the 75% of Keralites in the Lower Gulf Region, and I know> what kind of people they are in general.One out of a hundred may be a> person who would come out and help a non-keralite.> > Good you know about the Millions and Billions of Dhs being collected> from our very own INDIAN BUSINESS MEN RIGHT HERE IN THE UAE RIGHT NOW.> Yet which one of these Indian Business men have come forward to lend a> helping hand to those 2058,child labour redeemed innocent souls sent> back to their homes to rot in.> > If only each of us take pride in helping our very own back home,> starting with just looking after 5 family members, India can come up,> and out of the reems of poverty.If I could have sponsored by my own> resources 225 students from Kanyakumari to Kasmir ,I am sure many can> do much more than this.Those 225, in turn are helping just 2 of their> imediate family members in return for what I did.That alone spreads> and spreads, God is great and will find ways to help our needy back home.> > Just sitting and waiting won't help,all of us , should jointly> contribute and start to care in a small way for the ones near us, and> I am sure we can bring many out of the most unfortunate lives they are> in.No amount of watching and mailing is going to pluck out the evil> roots of corruption in India today. Much has to be done, focus on> joint ventures, instead of so much time wasted on this site in> fighting each other over religion etc,.> > You should be ready to bring down the ones who cause such ill feelings> between all of us,you should be reading the Penal code for voters> etc,., please go on line and check this out,no one is within the> limits given.> Many have broken the rules and regulations and can be asked to step> down from power.> > Many seat can be obtained , if all jointly go forward with an open> mind, clean heart and sincere goo wishes for each other.How can be> bring justice to all, when we are fighting like this on these sites.> > Do you think only the hindus are visiting this site? No, you are> mistaken, many an eye is watching over this site, many a finger is> poking into our pie, double the trouble is being taken to roll and> jump about , being tickled just reading the fights on this site.> > God bless you all and may we grow up soon.> > Barbara.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Hare ramakrishna.> > > > dear prabhat ji .> > > > As u see in adressing mantras u can know how devoted i am> and i> > blv in real spirituality and dharmas promoted by rishis ,even lord rama> > in his incarnation was prostrating before the rishis .Our religion is> > not started by one man ,it was a natural flow of unending wisdom and> > the real gems got scattered over a period of time .Even all the attacks> > or suppression cannot do anything to religion and if u read history ( i> > am not a history student -but travelled wide ) any country under rule of> > a purticular people ,all subjucts naturaly changes to the religion of> > ruling classes within first century itself ,it was the case of all> > countries except indian sub continent .> > > > > > > > When u asked the question to renu ji a respected memebr of the forum> > only i asked u all the questions .> > > > > > > > As regrding ur quotes abt ramayana and its originality --its not my> > subjuct here .The tread was started by sreenadhji and he will answer it> > within 3 days .But i blv like all kings of india who advocated all> > religions without any fear and fanatic feeling some discussions abt the> > religion wont undermine hinduism (sanathan dharma ) .It has very strong> > roots and footing and if u see neo converts to hindu beliefs its self> > will tell u the storey ,and this grp is not meant for it ,so i am not> > disclosing it here >it happened without any pressure ,no missionary> > works and they r ready to contribute than we finance them and some of> > them r worlds richest also .> > > > Thanks u for using good words abt astrological knowledge of me and i> > still feel i am student .and i know i cannot cross the ocean of our> > knowledge of astrology in this life time .so many systems and techniqs> > all equaly supporting each other .from face reading to chart reading> > ,even 100s of diffrnt thoughts .> > > > Yes,i dont know much history ,but our supression against own people only> > started our down fall ,as u know in dubai i think the sheik is raising> > money to help poor may b 100mn dollars ,and i am sure its going to poor> > muslim countries ,where as as an astrologer i can say rich brothers r> > still asking for free predictions and then he wont even ask u how is ur> > family .This is indians false spirituality .Which was not so during> > kingdoms and now i think some corporates r more making than any kings of> > india ,but they want more only .> > > > > > > > If u see bill gates he may be contributing 50% of his money to charity> > .Atleast u r a travelled person ,u know richness of hindus in gulf tru> > business ,how many may be doing that .I know in tamil nadu brahmins are> > paid 500rs even these time as monthly allowance for poojas in temples of> > state goverment and how we ppl r going to protect our dharma ?> > > > > > > > Now some US hindu group (non indians ) asked me to get approval from> > kerala tantri samajam(which consist of only nampoothiri brahmins of> > kerala) for teaching poojas ,mantras and tantra to any caste student> > from any where in india .To train future pundits .But it will be a real> > syllabus and if happened this boys will create wonders .> > > > > > > > any way thanks for responding ,sorry if i say anything which hurt u .> > > > > > > > the scavencher word i used for valmiki"s own caste ,u did not write it> > ,so how a proud hindu can tolerate it ,a rishis kula is sufferring ?r> > the rishis is not as good as our forefathers ?Our tradition teachs us to> > do tarpan for bheeshma and all rishis who ever not married ,so we accept> > them as our forefahthers ,is it not ?> > > > > > > > I am writing it as a general mail to all group memebers for awareness> > and u need not answer it .> > > > > > > > thanks and respectfully> > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , prabhat_shcil@> > wrote:> > >> > > dear friend i dont want to do more argument - jut some doubt - which> > are real and everywhere> > >> > >> > > Structure of Valmiki Ramayan> > > Valmiki's Ramayana, the oldest version of Ramayan is the basis of all> > the various versions of the Ramayan that are relevant in the various> > cultures. The text survives in numerous complete and partial> > manuscripts, the oldest surviving of which is dated from the eleventh> > century AD.[5] The current text of Valmiki Ramayan has come down to us> > in two regional versions from the north and the south of India. Valmiki> > Ramayan has been traditionally divided into seven books, dealing with> > the life of Rama from his birth to his death.> > >> > > Bala Kanda â€" Book of the young Rama which details the> > miraculous birth of Rama, his early life in Ayodhya, his slaying of the> > demons of the forest at the request of Vishvamitra and his wedding with> > Sita.> > > Ayodhya Kanda â€" Book of Ayodhya in which Dasharath comes to> > grief over his promise to Kaikeyi and the start of Rama's exile.> > > Aranya Kanda â€" Book of the Forest which describes Rama's life> > in the forest and the abduction of Sita by Ravana.> > > Kishkindya Kanda â€" Book of Kishkinda, the Vanara kingdom in> > which Rama befriends Sugriva and the Vanara army and begins the search> > for Sita.> > > Sundar Kanda â€" Book of Sundar (Hanuman) in which Hanuman> > travels to Lanka and finds Sita imprisoned there and brings back the> > good news to Raam.> > > Yuddha Kanda Book of the War, which narrates the Rama-Ravana war and> > the return of the successful Rama to Ayodhya and his coronation.> > > Uttar Kanda â€" Epilogue, which details the life of Rama and Sita> > after their return to Ayodhya, Sita's banishment and how Sita and Rama> > pass on to the next world.> > >> > > There have been speculations on whether the first and the last> > chapters of Valmiki's Ramayan were written by the original author. Many> > experts are of the opinion that they are integral parts of the book in> > spite of the many differences in style and some contradictions in> > content between these two chapters and the rest of the book.[6][7] These> > two chapters contain most of the interpolations found in the Ramayan,> > such as the miraculous birth of Rama and his divine nature as well as> > the numerous legends surrounding Raavan.> > >> > > what You guy are going you quote can / may not be authentic ramayana .> > and sunil ji your knowledge of astrology could be very good , mine is> > not . But your knowledge of history is certainly poor - mine is not .> > >> > > i am talking about history , turbulent times of the period starting> > from appx 500bc - there was lot of thing happening in india - ATTACKs by> > GREEK , SHAKA , KUSHAN , MANGOL , HUN , later TAJIC , ARAB - their> > destruction of ancient text , attempt to disfigure the culture - destroy> > our temples of knowledge like NALANDA / TAXILA - where millions of book> > simply burned . And they challenge before us to safegaurd the History /> > sacred books , maintaining the our cultural values , rituals alive , and> > also some attempt happened by way of doing fortifications in thought> > process. And it seems your the ouctcome of that thought process - as you> > are using the worde like SCAVANGER and what not which i never used .> > >> > > For me RAMA is sacred but i also have open mind to understand that> > some interpolation happened - in first and last part of RAMAYANA - for> > which there are several learned opinion available - Just see them before> > accusing me .> > >> > > And regarding the SATI PRATHA - if you have knowledge of history it> > only started / manifested during MUGAL / ARAB attacks - when hordes of> > woman died - after burning themselve - cause their husbands / sons> > entire clan has been wiped out by MUGUL attackers - who were trying to> > establish their kingdom . so this was some bad / hoorific / sad event of> > our history - which any student of history will understand - and will> > also know it was never a tradition / cultural pride - but a shame on our> > history . When our women has to sacrifice themselves to save their pride> > . May now you understand the SATI PRATHA - it was only in the rcent> > history wrong people has used for wrong use and glorification for their> > selfish end - which was deplorable act .> > >> > > PLease dont blame everything on scripture - better learn some history> > . and analyse the event of the past> > >> > >> > >> > > prabhat mishra> > > Dubai- UAE> > > Mob No 00971508876536 > > >> > > -> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@> > > ancient indian astrology > > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:28:54 +0530 (IST)> > > Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY - I> > THINK HE IS SRINADH> > >> > >> > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > >> > > dear prabhat ji .> > >> > > why it is so if what budha was taught is all sanathan dharma ,then> > > y all budhist monk were be headed in india ,and cruely procecuted and> > > even the kula of valmiki is scavengers and other rishis is scheduled> > > castes .Can u tell me what happened to the gutama budha royal family> > are> > > they still khsatriyas .> > >> > > U say may be interpolations happened and in another breath says its> > > sacred ,how u can keep this double standard if u feel u r a true hindu> > > and value its sacred ness .Dont u think its also ur duty to find out> > > what is truth ?> > >> > > Or some fanatiscm is irked inside u ,which cannot tolerate any thing> > > ,then we can re introduce all sati and all malpractises in name of> > holy> > > scriptures and so instead of u banking u will do pooja and less> > > struggles for others.> > >> > >> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > >> > > , prabhat_shcil@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > DEAR RENU JI ,> > > >> > > > What budhha taught was always there in INDIAN - sanatan Dharma .> > There> > > was nothing new .RAMA HIMSELF SET is personal example thats why we> > > called him maryada purshottam. GAUTAM was VISHNU AVTAR and MAYA he> > > created was to people lost faith in their ancient text , rishi ,> > > tradition - which definetely happened in BUDHHA FOLLOWERS TIME - and> > is> > > still going on - BECUAASE Its the KALIYUGA - WHEN PEOPLE WILL FIND> > FAULT> > > IN THEIR - IDOL - SYMBOLS OF GODS AND POINT FINGURE TOWARDS - RAMA> > > .(dharma)> > > >> > > > ITS NOT YOUR FAULT - YOU ARE ALSO UNDER THE SAME MAYA .> > > >> > > > And i am 100% sure about pushyamitra sunga and sunga dynasty - i am> > > not claiming i know more than you - but here my knowledge is definetly> > > more than you .> > > >> > > > And just one more question why there are not many follower of buddha> > > in the land of Budhha .?> > > >> > > > prabhat mishra> > > > Dubai- UAE> > > > Mob No 00971508876536 > > > >> > > > -> > > > renunw renunw@> > > > ancient indian astrology> > > > > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:26:23 +0530 (IST)> > > > Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY -> > I> > > THINK HE IS SRINADH> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi Mr. P,> > > >> > > > > 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of> > > > PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct of> > > > buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting the> > > > text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for a> > > > very brief period )> > > >> > > > Please don't assume things which you or I are not aware of.> > > >> > > > "> 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about the> > > > Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just 8/9> > > > year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of VISHNU -> > > > whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get distracted> > > > from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period . yOU> > > > MAY ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA -"> > > >> > > > Kindly come out with the MAYA created by Gautama Buddha. According> > > > to my knowledge people got attracted and not distracted to DHARMA as> > > > a result of the englightened path shown by Gautama Buddha. If> > > > following the 5 precepts;> > > > 1.abstain from taking anothers life,> > > > 2.abstain from stealing,> > > > 3.abstain from adultery,> > > > 4.abstain from lying,> > > > 5.abstain from consumption of intoxicant> > > >> > > > AND> > > > living according to Noble Eight Fold Path;> > > > Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajÃƒÂ± & #257;, P & #257;li:> > paÃƒÂ±ÃƒÂ± & #257;)> > > > 1. Right view> > > > 2. Right intention> > > > Ethical conduct (Sanskrit: & #347; & #299;la, P & #257;li: s & #299;la)> > > > 3. Right speech> > > > 4. Right action> > > > 5. Right livelihood> > > > Mental discipline (Sanskrit and P & #257;li: sam & #257;dhi)> > > > 6. Right effort> > > > 7. Right mindfulness> > > > 8. Right concentration> > > >> > > > AND> > > >> > > > accepting suffering and happiness with equanimity, utmost> > > > compassion towards the world irrespective of caste, class, religion> > > > or race, unlimited generosity, love, kindness etc. can be called> > > > MAYA, you are right Mr. P.> > > >> > > > Note: Sreenadh ji,...I am very sorry if I deviated from the current> > > > subject matter. I hope you would understand my concern. Thanks.> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > prabhat mishra> > > > > Dubai- UAE> > > > > Mob No 00971508876536 > > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > rpsingh1rp rpsingh1rp@> > > > > ancient indian astrology> > > > > > > > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)> > > > > Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR> > > > FIGHT> > > > >> > > > > comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing such> > > > > henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama , hanuman,> > > > > agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring back> > > > > mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let him> > > > beg> > > > > apology. keep quiet ~RP.> > > > >> > > > > , Arakampakkam> > > > > Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > hi ,> > > > > > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded .> > > > > > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others> > > > > > at> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM> > > > > > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR FIGHT> > > > > >> > > > > > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!> > > > > >> > > > > > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your> > > > chart> > > > > and> > > > > > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana in> > > > sunga> > > > > > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.> > > > > >> > > > > > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme> > > > knowledge),> > > > > > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology for> > > > > making> > > > > > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will give u> > > > > > proper teaching of astrology.> > > > > >> > > > > > ~RP> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > My life has changed. What about yours?> > > > > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --> > > > My life has changed. What about yours?> > > > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > My life has changed. What about yours?> > > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!> > >> >>

October 18, 2007

Thank you astro_caro. I suppose this not your real name.

1. I have my own ID and I am not at all interested in using

another's ID.

2. I don't think Sreenadh is in any crisis and even if he is, I am

sure he is strong enough to stand on his own feet. I may be much

older than he but undoubtedly he is more knowledgeable than I.

3. I don't defend anyone other than the TRUTH.

blessings

Renu

, " astro.caro "

<astro.caro wrote:

>

> Renu

>

> Proove that Pushyamitra sung ruled for centuries including south

> india, particularly kerla. open ur history book.

>

> you have banned RP, I m here to give u lessons that he was

supposed

> to give to you and ur racket and i m sure u r no one but another

ID

> of srinadh to defend when he is in crisis.

>

> cunningness will never win!

>

> regards,

> astro_caro.

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Mr. P,

> >

> > > 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of

> > PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct

of

> > buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting

the

> > text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for

a

> > very brief period )

> >

> > Please don't assume things which you or I are not aware of.

> >

> > " > 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about

> the

> > Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just

8/9

> > year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of

VISHNU -

> > whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get

distracted

> > from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period .

yOU

> > MAY ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA - "

> >

> > Kindly come out with the MAYA created by Gautama Buddha.

According

> > to my knowledge people got attracted and not distracted to

DHARMA

> as

> > a result of the englightened path shown by Gautama Buddha. If

> > following the 5 precepts;

> > 1.abstain from taking anothers life,

> > 2.abstain from stealing,

> > 3.abstain from adultery,

> > 4.abstain from lying,

> > 5.abstain from consumption of intoxicant

> >

> > AND

> > living according to Noble Eight Fold Path;

> > Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajñ & #257;, P & #257;li: paññ & #257;)

> > 1. Right view

> > 2. Right intention

> > Ethical conduct (Sanskrit: & #347; & #299;la, P & #257;li: s & #299;la)

> > 3. Right speech

> > 4. Right action

> > 5. Right livelihood

> > Mental discipline (Sanskrit and P & #257;li: sam & #257;dhi)

> > 6. Right effort

> > 7. Right mindfulness

> > 8. Right concentration

> >

> > AND

> >

> > accepting suffering and happiness with equanimity, utmost

> > compassion towards the world irrespective of caste, class,

religion

> > or race, unlimited generosity, love, kindness etc. can be called

> > MAYA, you are right Mr. P.

> >

> > Note: Sreenadh ji,...I am very sorry if I deviated from the

current

> > subject matter. I hope you would understand my concern. Thanks.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > >

> > > prabhat mishra

> > > Dubai- UAE

> > > Mob No 00971508876536

> > >

> > > -

> > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > > ancient indian astrology

> >

> > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)

> > > Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR

> > FIGHT

> > >

> > > comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing

such

> > > henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama ,

> hanuman,

> > > agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring

> back

> > > mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let

him

> > beg

> > > apology. keep quiet ~RP.

> > >

> > > , Arakampakkam

> > > Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hi ,

> > > > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded .

> > > > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others

> > > > at

> > > >

> > > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM

> > > > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR

FIGHT

> > > >

> > > > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!

> > > >

> > > > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your

> > chart

> > > and

> > > > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana

in

> > sunga

> > > > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.

> > > >

> > > > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme

> > knowledge),

> > > > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology

for

> > > making

> > > > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will

give u

> > > > proper teaching of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > ~RP

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > My life has changed. What about yours?

> > > Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox!

> > >

> >

>

October 18, 2007

Prabhath

I respect your knowledge of history.

Gautama Buddha was no MAYA but a normal human being like you and I.

Buddhism is not a religion but a philosophy. No one is expected to

accept what Buddha preached without verification. He said, " ehi

passiko' - come and see.

blessings

Renu

, prabhat_shcil

wrote:

>

> dear renu ,

>

> I am not assuming anything about - sunga period - you want proof i

can provide - about the time of pushyamitra . Total sunga dynasty

ruled for just 100 yrs - and most of the time they were fighting

with Yavans -( read Greeks or INDO Greeks) he assasinated

Brhadrata, becuase he was going very soft in terms of

administration and YAVAN were at MATHURA - and planning to March

towards Pataliputra.

>

> YAVAN king MENENDRA had become buddhist and most of the buddhist

clergy of that time supporting him , now it was a war for national

pride , Pushyamitra Not only defeated the MENEDRA - after a long

drawn battles - but also chased them acroos the sindhu in to the

present afganistan and was able to restore the unity of INDIA and

safegaurd us against foreign attack.

>

> So he was the hero like Chandragupta who unified india in a large

empire ,

>

> Now regarding the GAUTAM the BUDDHA i was like to say only one

thing which is i am again 100% sure now as i did cross

verification - was the AVTARA of VISHNU - but again timing of

VISHNU PURAN is matter of controversy - so forget this . GAUTAM was

really a great sage - his teaching was great - but so the teaching

by all of our sages and RISHI , MUNIES , Because all this

learning / teaching - brotherhood was the etho of INDIAN CULTURE .

>

> AND THIS CULTURE AND ITS HISTORY GOT DISTORTED MOSTLY AFTER THE

INVASION OF ARABS / MUGHALS . EARLIER WHOEVER ATTACKED INDIA THEY

WERE NOT ONLY ADOPTED INDIAN CULTURE TO MOST EXTENT BUT ALSO ,

BECOME PART OF INDIA . MANY TRIBES LIKE SHAKA , KUSHAN , GREEKS ,

are such example - but later attackers tried to change not only the

history but also our values . by that time INDIA had become

cultural melting point - so many powerful BRAHMIN and other so

called Kuleens - tried to create fortification by making serious

interpolation in our texts - inserting JATI PRATHA etc - which only

resulted in downfall of INDIAN society.

>

> EVERY SOCIETY / CULTURE HAS ITS UPs and DOWN - INDIA has seen its

golden period - during and before Gupta period - after that there

was its down fall - we will again see ITS GLORY.

>

> Onlything required is to be perceptive and dont follow bliendly

what is available as hiostory . written by followers of MAX MULERs

>

> prabhat mishra

> Dubai- UAE

> Mob No 00971508876536

>

> -

> renunw <renunw

> ancient indian astrology

> Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:11:07 +0530 (IST)

> Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY -

I THINK HE IS SRINADH

>

> Dear Prabhat ji,

>

> > ITS NOT YOUR FAULT - YOU ARE ALSO UNDER THE SAME MAYA .

>

> Oh....dear me!!!

>

> " Long for the wakeful is the night.

> Long for the weary, a league.

> For fools

> unaware of True Dhamma,

> samsara

> is long. " - Dhammapada

>

> > And just one more question why there are not many follower of

> buddha in the land of Budhha .?

>

> I am glad you asked this question. May I ask why there is so much

> blood shed, poverty and class discrimination etc. etc. etc. in the

> land of Buddha but with a handful of followers of Buddha.

>

> Let me add this too..I DO respect all religions. What is good or

bad

> is not confined to one religion. It is a universal truth. It is

the

> reality.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> >

> > prabhat mishra

> > Dubai- UAE

> > Mob No 00971508876536

> >

> > -

> > renunw <renunw@>

> > ancient indian astrology

>

> > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:26:23 +0530 (IST)

> > Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY

SORRY -

> I THINK HE IS SRINADH

> >

> > Hi Mr. P,

> >

> > > 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of

> > PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct

> of

> > buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting

the

> > text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for

a

> > very brief period )

> >

> > Please don't assume things which you or I are not aware of.

> >

> > " > 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about

> the

> > Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just

8/9

> > year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of

VISHNU -

> > whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get

distracted

> > from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period .

yOU

> > MAY ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA - "

> >

> > Kindly come out with the MAYA created by Gautama Buddha.

According

> > to my knowledge people got attracted and not distracted to

DHARMA

> as

> > a result of the englightened path shown by Gautama Buddha. If

> > following the 5 precepts;

> > 1.abstain from taking anothers life,

> > 2.abstain from stealing,

> > 3.abstain from adultery,

> > 4.abstain from lying,

> > 5.abstain from consumption of intoxicant

> >

> > AND

> > living according to Noble Eight Fold Path;

> > Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajÃƒÂ± & #257;, P & #257;li: paÃƒÂ±ÃƒÂ± & #257;)

> > 1. Right view

> > 2. Right intention

> > Ethical conduct (Sanskrit: & #347; & #299;la, P & #257;li: s & #299;la)

> > 3. Right speech

> > 4. Right action

> > 5. Right livelihood

> > Mental discipline (Sanskrit and P & #257;li: sam & #257;dhi)

> > 6. Right effort

> > 7. Right mindfulness

> > 8. Right concentration

> >

> > AND

> >

> > accepting suffering and happiness with equanimity, utmost

> > compassion towards the world irrespective of caste, class,

> religion

> > or race, unlimited generosity, love, kindness etc. can be called

> > MAYA, you are right Mr. P.

> >

> > Note: Sreenadh ji,...I am very sorry if I deviated from the

> current

> > subject matter. I hope you would understand my concern. Thanks.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > >

> > > prabhat mishra

> > > Dubai- UAE

> > > Mob No 00971508876536

> > >

> > > -

> > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > > ancient indian astrology

> >

> > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)

> > > Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR

> > FIGHT

> > >

> > > comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing

such

> > > henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama ,

> hanuman,

> > > agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring

> back

> > > mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let

> him

> > beg

> > > apology. keep quiet ~RP.

> > >

> > > , Arakampakkam

> > > Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hi ,

> > > > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded .

> > > > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others

> > > > at

> > > >

> > > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM

> > > > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR

> FIGHT

> > > >

> > > > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!

> > > >

> > > > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your

> > chart

> > > and

> > > > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana

in

> > sunga

> > > > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.

> > > >

> > > > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme

> > knowledge),

> > > > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology

for

> > > making

> > > > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will

give

> u

> > > > proper teaching of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > ~RP

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> around

> > > >

> > >

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October 20, 2007

Dear Barbara ji,

Thanks for the thought provoking mail. We had only 2 very good

contributing women in this group - Vinita ji and Renu ji. Now we can

boldly say that " Oh! Here is another great soul! "

Share my love,

Sreenadh

, " ayeshathyabali "

<ayeshathyabali wrote:

>

> Dear Prabhat,

>

> Your knowledge of History is very good, but the depths of " INDIAN

> HISTORY " has a few loop holes here and there, may be because you of

> the many, years back, it was taught to you.

>

> Please accept my humble statement as a neutral person in this heated

> argument between most of you on this site, without knowing the truth

> as why:HINDUISM WEAKENED AND WAS TAKEN OVER BY MANY OUT RELIGIONS.

>

> The Aryan were very dominant and held a prominent post in the

> teachings of Hinduism.No written matter prevailed then, only oral

> rites were carried on. Please go on any search engine and find this

> out.I have no extra time to spare as I have to run about in UAE and do

> my own Sales and Marketing to bring up a brand new company we just

> opened.My family has lost Dhs5 Million and now having re-invested

> another amount, I too have to contribute to bring is business. You are

> in Dubai and know very well, how difficult it is for a woman of 54 to

> go into the project sites and fight for contracts and projects etc,.My

> line being " Signage,Aluminium castings and Steel structures/Gantry

> works and road dividers and camel fences too.

>

> But, if you like to borrow a few books on world history, Indian

> History I can arrange to drop this at your office or residence on my

> sales and marketing rounds.I leave home by 6AM and return by

> 10PM.Inbetween I try to sneak off to take a small nap in some shopping

> mall or covered car parking.As you know how difficult it is with the

> mad traffick on these roads, I live in Ajman, and move around all the

> seven emirates.Tomorrow I am in Abu Dhabi at 10.30 AM.Meeting with Mr

> Ravi Raman the owner of Space-Age,THE EARLIEST COMPANY TO LIGHT UP THE

> STREETS OF THE UAE 30 YEARS AGO.He is from Adayar -Chennai, my eldest

> brother's class mate.He has donated his entire lands to SWAMI

> AYYAPPA.A good sized temple is there and the pujaree and all staff are

> being taken care of , by him.I can't spare more time , but will be

> available on Friday between 3 and 6 PM if you wish to meet me and

> discuss more on Indian History .

>

> Re:Who were the first Indian Historians?????(Please find out!!!!)

> :Why did the weaker Hindus leave ....Hinduism and accept

> Islam/Christianity?

> :Who was responsible for the stoppage of Sati?

> :How many Hindu men took/fell for other community women or had

> affairs with?

> :When did the first written document in Hinduism come into existence?

> :Where does it ever state that the Hindu woman was forced by the

> persecutors to jump into the funeral pyre?

> :Upto what age/date were paprus/peeple tree leaves used for writing

> on/banana leaves/palm leaves,scrolls etc,.,?

> :Who was responsible in any attempt to disfigure the culture of you

> Hindus way back in the olden days?

> :Do you agree that You Learnt In Modern Indian History that CASTE

> SYSTEM WAS VERY, VERY, VERY RIGID?

> :WHAT HAPPENED THEN????

> :DID YOU LEARN ABOUT THE MAIN REASON WHY THE EUROPEANS CAME TO INDIA?

> :IT THIS STATEMENT TRUE OF FALSE:- " WE COME FOR SPICES/JEWELS AND

> PRECIOUS STONES,SLAVES AND SOULS,IN EXCHANGE FOR OUR SILVER AND GOLD? "

> :Whose words are these? And who encouraged them to take to bed an

> Indian woman for a few pegodas then?

> :What happened to the children born out of wedlock or arranged

> stuff etc,.,?

> :Who helped in the first revolt againt the British?

> :What happened after this to those who revolted?

>

> :Till date are those who revolted being treated well?

>

> Come my dear Prabhat and try to give me honest answers from the

> history you remember well.

>

> God Bless you and all who bear with such lenghty and bored stuff on

> the whole.

>

> Barbara Thyab Ali.

>

> Cell 00971 050 6914668 (24 hrs on call).

>

, prabhat_shcil@ wrote:

> >

> > dear friend i dont want to do more argument - jut some doubt - which

> are real and everywhere

> >

> > Structure of Valmiki Ramayan

> > Valmiki's Ramayana, the oldest version of Ramayan is the basis of

> all the various versions of the Ramayan that are relevant in the

> various cultures. The text survives in numerous complete and partial

> manuscripts, the oldest surviving of which is dated from the eleventh

> century AD.[5] The current text of Valmiki Ramayan has come down to us

> in two regional versions from the north and the south of India.

> Valmiki Ramayan has been traditionally divided into seven books,

> dealing with the life of Rama from his birth to his death.

> >

> > Bala Kanda â€ " Book of the young Rama which details the miraculous

> birth of Rama, his early life in Ayodhya, his slaying of the demons of

> the forest at the request of Vishvamitra and his wedding with Sita.

> > Ayodhya Kanda â€ " Book of Ayodhya in which Dasharath comes to grief

> over his promise to Kaikeyi and the start of Rama's exile.

> > Aranya Kanda â€ " Book of the Forest which describes Rama's life in

> the forest and the abduction of Sita by Ravana.

> > Kishkindya Kanda â€ " Book of Kishkinda, the Vanara kingdom in which

> Rama befriends Sugriva and the Vanara army and begins the search for

> Sita.

> > Sundar Kanda â€ " Book of Sundar (Hanuman) in which Hanuman travels

> to Lanka and finds Sita imprisoned there and brings back the good news

> to Raam.

> > Yuddha Kanda Book of the War, which narrates the Rama-Ravana war and

> the return of the successful Rama to Ayodhya and his coronation.

> > Uttar Kanda â€ " Epilogue, which details the life of Rama and Sita

> after their return to Ayodhya, Sita's banishment and how Sita and Rama

> pass on to the next world.

> >

> > There have been speculations on whether the first and the last

> chapters of Valmiki's Ramayan were written by the original author.

> Many experts are of the opinion that they are integral parts of the

> book in spite of the many differences in style and some contradictions

> in content between these two chapters and the rest of the book.[6][7]

> These two chapters contain most of the interpolations found in the

> Ramayan, such as the miraculous birth of Rama and his divine nature as

> well as the numerous legends surrounding Raavan.

> >

> > what You guy are going you quote can / may not be authentic ramayana

> . and sunil ji your knowledge of astrology could be very good ,

> mine is not . But your knowledge of history is certainly poor - mine

> is not .

> >

> > i am talking about history , turbulent times of the period starting

> from appx 500bc - there was lot of thing happening in india - ATTACKs

> by GREEK , SHAKA , KUSHAN , MANGOL , HUN , later TAJIC , ARAB - their

> destruction of ancient text , attempt to disfigure the culture -

> destroy our temples of knowledge like NALANDA / TAXILA - where

> millions of book simply burned . And they challenge before us to

> safegaurd the History / sacred books , maintaining the our cultural

> values , rituals alive , and also some attempt happened by way of

> doing fortifications in thought process. And it seems your the

> ouctcome of that thought process - as you are using the worde like

> SCAVANGER and what not which i never used .

> >

> > For me RAMA is sacred but i also have open mind to understand that

> some interpolation happened - in first and last part of RAMAYANA - for

> which there are several learned opinion available - Just see them

> before accusing me .

> >

> > And regarding the SATI PRATHA - if you have knowledge of history it

> only started / manifested during MUGAL / ARAB attacks - when hordes

> of woman died - after burning themselve - cause their husbands / sons

> entire clan has been wiped out by MUGUL attackers - who were trying

> to establish their kingdom . so this was some bad / hoorific / sad

> event of our history - which any student of history will understand -

> and will also know it was never a tradition / cultural pride - but a

> shame on our history . When our women has to sacrifice themselves to

> save their pride . May now you understand the SATI PRATHA - it was

> only in the rcent history wrong people has used for wrong use and

> glorification for their selfish end - which was deplorable act .

> >

> > PLease dont blame everything on scripture - better learn some

> history . and analyse the event of the past

> >

> > prabhat mishra

> > Dubai- UAE

> > Mob No 00971508876536

> >

> > -

> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@>

> > ancient indian astrology

> > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:28:54 +0530 (IST)

> > Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SORRY -

> I THINK HE IS SRINADH

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna ,

> >

> > dear prabhat ji .

> >

> > why it is so if what budha was taught is all sanathan dharma

,then

> > y all budhist monk were be headed in india ,and cruely procecuted and

> > even the kula of valmiki is scavengers and other rishis is scheduled

> > castes .Can u tell me what happened to the gutama budha royal

family are

> > they still khsatriyas .

> >

> > U say may be interpolations happened and in another breath says its

> > sacred ,how u can keep this double standard if u feel u r a true hindu

> > and value its sacred ness .Dont u think its also ur duty to find out

> > what is truth ?

> >

> > Or some fanatiscm is irked inside u ,which cannot tolerate any thing

> > ,then we can re introduce all sati and all malpractises in name of

holy

> > scriptures and so instead of u banking u will do pooja and less

> > struggles for others.

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > , prabhat_shcil@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > DEAR RENU JI ,

> > >

> > > What budhha taught was always there in INDIAN - sanatan Dharma .

There

> > was nothing new .RAMA HIMSELF SET is personal example thats why we

> > called him maryada purshottam. GAUTAM was VISHNU AVTAR and MAYA he

> > created was to people lost faith in their ancient text , rishi ,

> > tradition - which definetely happened in BUDHHA FOLLOWERS TIME -

and is

> > still going on - BECUAASE Its the KALIYUGA - WHEN PEOPLE WILL FIND

FAULT

> > IN THEIR - IDOL - SYMBOLS OF GODS AND POINT FINGURE TOWARDS - RAMA

> > .(dharma)

> > >

> > > ITS NOT YOUR FAULT - YOU ARE ALSO UNDER THE SAME MAYA .

> > >

> > > And i am 100% sure about pushyamitra sunga and sunga dynasty - i am

> > not claiming i know more than you - but here my knowledge is definetly

> > more than you .

> > >

> > > And just one more question why there are not many follower of buddha

> > in the land of Budhha .?

> > >

> > > prabhat mishra

> > > Dubai- UAE

> > > Mob No 00971508876536

> > >

> > > -

> > > renunw renunw@

> > > ancient indian astrology

> > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:26:23 +0530 (IST)

> > > Re: SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY

SORRY - I

> > THINK HE IS SRINADH

> > >

> > > Hi Mr. P,

> > >

> > > > 4. Any student of history will tell you ruling perioud of

> > > PUSHYAMITRA was very short - before him there was a long stinct of

> > > buddhist ruler ( buddhist monk may have interest in distorting the

> > > text like RAMAYANA- not the poor guy Pushyamitra - who ruled for a

> > > very brief period )

> > >

> > > Please don't assume things which you or I are not aware of.

> > >

> > > " > 5. If you are aware in VISHNU PURANA - ( i may be wrong about the

> > > Purana ) becuase i read it some 25 years ago - when i was just 8/9

> > > year old - GAUTAM BUDHA was stated as another avtara of VISHNU -

> > > whose sole purpose was to create a MAYA - so people get distracted

> > > from their DHARMA - which happened in golden buddha period . yOU

> > > MAY ALSO CALLED IT A INTEPOLATION IN PURANA - "

> > >

> > > Kindly come out with the MAYA created by Gautama Buddha. According

> > > to my knowledge people got attracted and not distracted to DHARMA as

> > > a result of the englightened path shown by Gautama Buddha. If

> > > following the 5 precepts;

> > > 1.abstain from taking anothers life,

> > > 2.abstain from stealing,

> > > 3.abstain from adultery,

> > > 4.abstain from lying,

> > > 5.abstain from consumption of intoxicant

> > >

> > > AND

> > > living according to Noble Eight Fold Path;

> > > Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajÃƒÂ± & #257;, P & #257;li: paÃƒÂ±ÃƒÂ± & #257;)

> > > 1. Right view

> > > 2. Right intention

> > > Ethical conduct (Sanskrit: & #347; & #299;la, P & #257;li: s & #299;la)

> > > 3. Right speech

> > > 4. Right action

> > > 5. Right livelihood

> > > Mental discipline (Sanskrit and P & #257;li: sam & #257;dhi)

> > > 6. Right effort

> > > 7. Right mindfulness

> > > 8. Right concentration

> > >

> > > AND

> > >

> > > accepting suffering and happiness with equanimity, utmost

> > > compassion towards the world irrespective of caste, class, religion

> > > or race, unlimited generosity, love, kindness etc. can be called

> > > MAYA, you are right Mr. P.

> > >

> > > Note: Sreenadh ji,...I am very sorry if I deviated from the current

> > > subject matter. I hope you would understand my concern. Thanks.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > >

> > > > prabhat mishra

> > > > Dubai- UAE

> > > > Mob No 00971508876536

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > rpsingh1rp rpsingh1rp@

> > > > ancient indian astrology

> > >

> > > > Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:49 +0530 (IST)

> > > > Re: SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR

> > > FIGHT

> > > >

> > > > comfort joker,then ask this guy to beg apology for passing such

> > > > henious remarks on valmiki (non brahmin sage) lord rama , hanuman,

> > > > agastya, lord vishnu and all deities who helped rama to bring back

> > > > mother sitha. this guy was becoming mad in his greatness. let him

> > > beg

> > > > apology. keep quiet ~RP.

> > > >

> > > > , Arakampakkam

> > > > Thiaagrajan jagadeesan <atjags@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > hi ,

> > > > > donot pump with mails , my mail is flooded .

> > > > > if wants fight on mail donot inconvenience others

> > > > > at

> > > > >

> > > > > rpsingh1rp <rpsingh1rp@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM

> > > > > SRINADH BEG APOLOGY OR FIGHT

> > > > >

> > > > > I m bursting with my anger - Srinadh!

> > > > >

> > > > > Why you are keeping your month shut, why dont you post your

> > > chart

> > > > and

> > > > > proofs about intensional interpolations in valmiki ramayana in

> > > sunga

> > > > > period only for insulting south indian dravidians.

> > > > >

> > > > > why u r hiding! I m here to check ur param gyan (supreme

> > > knowledge),

> > > > > to give u a right lesson, you have a chance to beg apology for

> > > > making

> > > > > such a cheap remark on sage valmiki and lord rama. i will give u

> > > > > proper teaching of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > ~RP

> > > > >

> > > >

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