Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Dear Sreendah ji, You have made some statements and you say you have proof for what you said and you can produce it as evidence. Fair enough. There can be a fair discussion only when we could prove something conclusively eitherway without any abmbiguity. But, is that really possible with the kind of subject at hand? You yourself claim that many of our ancient works are either doctered or biased. And, how on earth will one believe that the proof you eventually dish out is not from a contaminated source? Why do you think it is not prepared by someone with vexed interests thousand years back? How can you prove that it is authentic source? So what are we going to prove? on what basis? for who's sake? and what are we going to get out of it at the end? One has to look into these answers before venturing into a proving mode. Eventually, it will turn out to be what someone believes in or not is what matters irrespective of what is stated in an ancient text or not. When it becomes a question of belief, there is nothing to prove! Let us get back to Astrology based on facts - the charts that speak! This is my sincere and humble advice. And, I know I can not force my views onto anyone else, even my wife and children. Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear All, > As Barbara ji rightly mentioned - history is always a vexed > question > - full truth never known and never will be. Here being an > astrology > group we too should not be much interested in history - but on > the > available knowledge. The book Ramayana and the possible > related > literary history comes into consideration here - only because > the > books contains some bits of astrological references. Otherwise > what > relevance that text has in an astrology discussion forum?! > Spirituality and Religion are individual things - a lone path. > If some > one want to attain enlightenment by following a group, bribing > some > gods, or dipping in some water, by touching some stones, or by > providing a weekly prayer for compromise - he is not going to > get it; > true consciousness is not a commodity that can be bought in > the > market, or something we will get in return to some mechanical > actions. > Spirituality > ------------- > No true individual in that path will boast of his trusts or > methods > - he will never resort to fanatism, because he knows with in > that > everything is one, the manifestation of the same. The people > calling > from roof tops with different ids (E. Lalit - alias rpXrp, > astro_caro,anstrosirnadhco), Prabhat mishra and Jaswal > exhibits > fanatic behavior, as if Hinduism is a commodity they own which > they > allow others to use just out of compassion! They think that > they only > know the history of India or that anything they cannot > comprehend > should be STOPPED instantaneously!! Who these guys think they > are!! > Everyone has to right to have their own opinions (opinions > emerge out > of our experiences in this limited life - and is always > limited by the > limitedness of our worldly being). They think they are saving > the > religion(!) instead of destroying it! > True religion is something that flows from within - and it > does not > have a name. Actually a truly spiritual individual can never > be part > any ism or ity, (whether Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Buddhist > or the > other thousand ones in the world) - he is unique and so be his > religion. Every true religion has only one creator, the man > who is in > the path, and only one follower, he himself. Crowd does not > have a > soul to attain salvation, only the individual has. > I bow to all those who know this truth - and grateful to > them for > sharing the same feeling. > Knowledge and Information > ------------------------- > Knowledge or information is a different thing. To study or > to > discuss it spirituality is not essential - even though the > same could > be an added advantage. True spirituality helps the > consciousness to > evolve and the same could be of much help anywhere - in > dealing with > information in a better way as well. > History is not spirituality but knowledge - it is not > something into > which weak sensitivity and fanatism should be brought into. It > is some > thing to be approached in an objective manner. It is something > to be > viewed from all possible directions - both positive and > negative - and > arrive at a conclusion (which too cannot be complete). > The same is true about astrology as well. It is a subject > that > should be approached objectively and systematically. You > evolved > consciousness can definitely help - but it is better not to > contaminate the search after knowledge and information with > non-essential elements like weak sensitivity or fanatism. > To those 3 who where yelling from roof tops from the past 2 > days > -------------------------------- > If the castle is strong enough - why you fear?! If the > structure > withstood the great waves of thousands of years - why do you > fools > think that if you don't support it will fall down, like a > domestic > fowl who may believe that if he didn't cry the sun will not > rise?!! > Every time there is a point at which we should say - enough > is > enough! The same here as well. Mere 3 people Lalit, Prabhat > and Jaswal > making all these noise - and do you think that all the other > 1000+ is > keeping quite because they agree with you?! Shame on you! They > don't > want to dirty their hands with the nasty mud you pour and so > the > silence; they have much better and worthy things to do - so > the > silence. But alas, you don't even have the sensitivity to > understand > that! Pumping 10 mails each to a 1000+ members without content > and do > you think that you are helping them - do you think that they > are > present in this group just to delete the junk mails you sent > to them? > Shut up and get out! Make noise anywhere you want but not > here! Enough > is enough! > At least try to learn something from Kaul ji, look at his > mails, > even though totally against the path this group follow, his > mails are > stuffed with valid information - in support of or against. > When you > argue, argue with content. We got other jobs as well - no body > is > waiting here to answer you 24x7 - don't expect that all these > mockery > will help. If some one posted something and if he was unable > to check > the mails for 2 days - some one pushing the same mails to a > thousand > users 10 times within 5 minutes!! It is not only absurd and > madness > but a crime! So the statement - Enough is enough! If you want > to pour > out the rain of mails without content create a group and do it > there - > exercise, practice, and one day you may learn to cross the > world > record by posting a crore message within 5 minutes.. > Yes, you won in making this unmoderated group a moderated one > - > through your junk posts and spams. But note this - this is the > same > you will cause to the great ideas you act as if is your > father's > property! It is stupid people like you - who caused the > current state > of India and Hindu Religion. In an Upanishad you will see an > example > describing some dogs going around sacrificial fire chanting > Ohm Ohm > Ohm - without knowing its meaning or essence. Yes, it is not > from some > Christian or Muslim book - it is from the revered Upanishads > which > share their blissful beuty with us. It is the people like - > the sages > might have been describing. No wonder - I agree - your tribe > was > present then too!! > Ok. Enough of shit and bull shit - I am tired of talking. I > don't > want to waste my time for you three and so I won't be > responding to > your mails - other paths and understanding differ. There is > more than > a 1000 members in this group - who are more interested in > astrology > and mails with informative content. The group and posts are > for them - > and not to waste after fanatics without proper understanding. > Christian Plan > -------------- > To some stupid ones this group is the result of some > Christian plan > and funded by someone. Yes, it is. This group is moderated by > 7 > Christians such as - > 1) Sreeram Srinivas (now in Indonesia) > 2) Sreenadh (Delhi) > 3) Vinita (Kashmir) > 4) Renu (Srilanka) > 5) Sunil Nair (Delhi) > 6) Madhu (Trivandrum, Kerala) > 7) RK (Delhi) > Of course we may include more good Christians into this > moderators > group. By the way there are so many good Christians in this > group. For > example good Christians you can see in this group are Ernst > ji, > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Congratulations, on the huge group collected in such a short span of time.Members are a good number today, open viewers are around 20,000.,if you were to start the count on the regular score board.My own dearest friends, well-wishers,relatives,dear and near ones are a total of 50,000 through the mails I forward around the world today. So I can understand how many more like me on this site have a larger group than mine and are circulating the same messages and the site to encourage the whole lot to take time and get prepared , ready to join the next race for the votes expected to be cast for the right lot. Please don't think that only you 1000 members are reading or exchanging these messages etc.,in such a short period of time, you have managed to fish in a mighty catch of 1000 strong minded ,high spirited and highly influential " religious heads " as well. Keep the ball rolling, let it not collect any moss on its rounds.A rolling stone gathers no moss I was told by a leading person called Mr C F Joseph he was the Administration Manager for the International Hospital at Bahrain, he started the Born to excel group ,and the Brain power Institute at Dubai(UAE).In the end he now knows that as a rolling stone, I have gathered more moss than all who heard these words from him at his regular meetings.I for one, know my variety of the moss thats around my surroundings. Take the best we can get and leave the rest, this is the best way to live life today.My family members lost Dhs5 million in a business joint venture over a five year contract period.But that has in no way dampened our hopes of a better deal next time. We limped about for a while, but God has gifted us the courage to once more get up and straightened the records and walk boldly and more straight in dealing now.It will take us about two years to recover the loss of Dhs5 million thats life, money today is with you, tomorrow with the neighbour and the day after with your enemy , but when it has to come back to you, it will come in due course of time. What ever has to happen , will happen , there is nothing you can do, without the nod from God.God wills it to happen and it will be done!!! Cheers every one, have a great weekend,keep going Chennai Karmayogies!!! Barbara. -- In , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear All, > As Barbara ji rightly mentioned - history is always a vexed question > - full truth never known and never will be. Here being an astrology > group we too should not be much interested in history - but on the > available knowledge. The book Ramayana and the possible related > literary history comes into consideration here - only because the > books contains some bits of astrological references. Otherwise what > relevance that text has in an astrology discussion forum?! > Spirituality and Religion are individual things - a lone path. If some > one want to attain enlightenment by following a group, bribing some > gods, or dipping in some water, by touching some stones, or by > providing a weekly prayer for compromise - he is not going to get it; > true consciousness is not a commodity that can be bought in the > market, or something we will get in return to some mechanical actions. > Spirituality > ------------- > No true individual in that path will boast of his trusts or methods > - he will never resort to fanatism, because he knows with in that > everything is one, the manifestation of the same. The people calling > from roof tops with different ids (E. Lalit - alias rpXrp, > astro_caro,anstrosirnadhco), Prabhat mishra and Jaswal exhibits > fanatic behavior, as if Hinduism is a commodity they own which they > allow others to use just out of compassion! They think that they only > know the history of India or that anything they cannot comprehend > should be STOPPED instantaneously!! Who these guys think they are!! > Everyone has to right to have their own opinions (opinions emerge out > of our experiences in this limited life - and is always limited by the > limitedness of our worldly being). They think they are saving the > religion(!) instead of destroying it! > True religion is something that flows from within - and it does not > have a name. Actually a truly spiritual individual can never be part > any ism or ity, (whether Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Buddhist or the > other thousand ones in the world) - he is unique and so be his > religion. Every true religion has only one creator, the man who is in > the path, and only one follower, he himself. Crowd does not have a > soul to attain salvation, only the individual has. > I bow to all those who know this truth - and grateful to them for > sharing the same feeling. > Knowledge and Information > ------------------------- > Knowledge or information is a different thing. To study or to > discuss it spirituality is not essential - even though the same could > be an added advantage. True spirituality helps the consciousness to > evolve and the same could be of much help anywhere - in dealing with > information in a better way as well. > History is not spirituality but knowledge - it is not something into > which weak sensitivity and fanatism should be brought into. It is some > thing to be approached in an objective manner. It is something to be > viewed from all possible directions - both positive and negative - and > arrive at a conclusion (which too cannot be complete). > The same is true about astrology as well. It is a subject that > should be approached objectively and systematically. You evolved > consciousness can definitely help - but it is better not to > contaminate the search after knowledge and information with > non-essential elements like weak sensitivity or fanatism. > To those 3 who where yelling from roof tops from the past 2 days > -------------------------------- > If the castle is strong enough - why you fear?! If the structure > withstood the great waves of thousands of years - why do you fools > think that if you don't support it will fall down, like a domestic > fowl who may believe that if he didn't cry the sun will not rise?!! > Every time there is a point at which we should say - enough is > enough! The same here as well. Mere 3 people Lalit, Prabhat and Jaswal > making all these noise - and do you think that all the other 1000+ is > keeping quite because they agree with you?! Shame on you! They don't > want to dirty their hands with the nasty mud you pour and so the > silence; they have much better and worthy things to do - so the > silence. But alas, you don't even have the sensitivity to understand > that! Pumping 10 mails each to a 1000+ members without content and do > you think that you are helping them - do you think that they are > present in this group just to delete the junk mails you sent to them? > Shut up and get out! Make noise anywhere you want but not here! Enough > is enough! > At least try to learn something from Kaul ji, look at his mails, > even though totally against the path this group follow, his mails are > stuffed with valid information - in support of or against. When you > argue, argue with content. We got other jobs as well - no body is > waiting here to answer you 24x7 - don't expect that all these mockery > will help. If some one posted something and if he was unable to check > the mails for 2 days - some one pushing the same mails to a thousand > users 10 times within 5 minutes!! It is not only absurd and madness > but a crime! So the statement - Enough is enough! If you want to pour > out the rain of mails without content create a group and do it there - > exercise, practice, and one day you may learn to cross the world > record by posting a crore message within 5 minutes.. > Yes, you won in making this unmoderated group a moderated one - > through your junk posts and spams. But note this - this is the same > you will cause to the great ideas you act as if is your father's > property! It is stupid people like you - who caused the current state > of India and Hindu Religion. In an Upanishad you will see an example > describing some dogs going around sacrificial fire chanting Ohm Ohm > Ohm - without knowing its meaning or essence. Yes, it is not from some > Christian or Muslim book - it is from the revered Upanishads which > share their blissful beuty with us. It is the people like - the sages > might have been describing. No wonder - I agree - your tribe was > present then too!! > Ok. Enough of shit and bull shit - I am tired of talking. I don't > want to waste my time for you three and so I won't be responding to > your mails - other paths and understanding differ. There is more than > a 1000 members in this group - who are more interested in astrology > and mails with informative content. The group and posts are for them - > and not to waste after fanatics without proper understanding. > Christian Plan > -------------- > To some stupid ones this group is the result of some Christian plan > and funded by someone. Yes, it is. This group is moderated by 7 > Christians such as - > 1) Sreeram Srinivas (now in Indonesia) > 2) Sreenadh (Delhi) > 3) Vinita (Kashmir) > 4) Renu (Srilanka) > 5) Sunil Nair (Delhi) > 6) Madhu (Trivandrum, Kerala) > 7) RK (Delhi) > Of course we may include more good Christians into this moderators > group. By the way there are so many good Christians in this group. For > example good Christians you can see in this group are Ernst ji, > Barbara ji, Pradeep ji, Fin ji, Ash ji and so on are all good > Christians who share their knowledge with us. Oh! I forgot to say one > thing - throughout this section on you can change the word 'Christian' > with Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jain, Buddhist or Jew - that does not make a > difference. But don't take too much strain - your diseased fanatic > brains may fail to take such a load may crash down - making you to > land permanently in the asylum. > As you could see the main point is the 'Plan'. So let me state it > clearly with clarity - " This group has a clear Plan - and that is - to > Organize and present ancient indian astrology in a systematic manner " . > Yah, I know this is not going to be helpful to you - but of course it > would be for the other members who are here to teach, learn or discuss > with sincerity. > Thanks, > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, The proofs (quoted slokas) and not to prove any history or historical fact, but only to prove that the argument was put forward based on sufficient grounds. Hope you will see the difference. Now, to the next point - are we much interested in what happened in the past - may be thousands of years ago? If you ask me - no, sincerely I am not interested in those details. But for sure - I am interested in the available information and the extra information I can gain by studying them. Here in our discussion on " Astrology in Valmiki Ramayana " the text itself is the available information - corrupted or uncorrupted. So what we can do is to look at the astrology content in it from various angles and come out with some valid and useful inferences. Every individual may have his or her own unique methods to study or approach a subject. I took my path, that is all to it. Some took some brief references, in which I presented my own opinion, as some great sin, and started making noise from roof tops and disturb the members with spam mails. That is their problem - what can I do?! As a group moderator, the group should saved from spammers and thus the group turned into a moderated one. Dear Krishna ji, do you know one thing - Why we fear when our beliefs are touched? The word belief is essentially associated with disbelief. If I say that I believe in some thing, I mean that I don't have any clear proof to show. The aroma of disbelief is there around. I know that even a small wind could shatter the very foundations. Do you believe in Sun - the sun the life sustainer - the one who rises in the east and set in the west? No, there is no need to believe! Because we know Sun IS! We trust it - it is a truth we already know. There is no scope for belief or disbelief. But it is not the case with our beliefs - they may be shattered any time - so when some thing touches it we become afraid - fear arise - and when in fear the animal takes over - and it attacks! If we trust in some thing - let it be astrology, god or anything else. Then the fear stops - we see that belief was a mask, to hide our disbelief, our doubt! So start trusting - and let the fear wither away - start trusting the sages - start trusting the ancient books that passed the test of time - but always make sure that they are in tune with you - make sure that they reflect and resonate with you - the consciousness. Yes, even to be trusted, information should pass through a test - a test of your consciousness - the test of the god within. Know that it is very difficult to shatter the truth - and very difficult to hide the lie. It may not be impossible, but very difficult indeed. So let us stand with the truth - what ever they be. But yes the condition is there, accept things if only your consciousness allows or accepts them; if not reject them - that itself is the path of learning, of understanding, of evolving. ==> > Let us get back to Astrology based on facts - the charts that > speak! <== Yes, I agree - this was an occasional game; a short break In our discussion on astrology next we will start with analyzing the 2 planet combinations - can you prepare a simple document and start the discussion on the same - I will join hands - let us do it in detail. Love, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Sreendah ji, > > You have made some statements and you say you have proof for > what you said and you can produce it as evidence. Fair enough. > There can be a fair discussion only when we could prove > something conclusively eitherway without any abmbiguity. But, is > that really possible with the kind of subject at hand? You > yourself claim that many of our ancient works are either > doctered or biased. And, how on earth will one believe that the > proof you eventually dish out is not from a contaminated source? > Why do you think it is not prepared by someone with vexed > interests thousand years back? How can you prove that it is > authentic source? > > So what are we going to prove? on what basis? for who's sake? > and what are we going to get out of it at the end? One has to > look into these answers before venturing into a proving mode. > > Eventually, it will turn out to be what someone believes in or > not is what matters irrespective of what is stated in an ancient > text or not. When it becomes a question of belief, there is > nothing to prove! > > Let us get back to Astrology based on facts - the charts that > speak! > > This is my sincere and humble advice. And, I know I can not > force my views onto anyone else, even my wife and children. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear All, > > As Barbara ji rightly mentioned - history is always a vexed > > question > > - full truth never known and never will be. Here being an > > astrology > > group we too should not be much interested in history - but on > > the > > available knowledge. The book Ramayana and the possible > > related > > literary history comes into consideration here - only because > > the > > books contains some bits of astrological references. Otherwise > > what > > relevance that text has in an astrology discussion forum?! > > Spirituality and Religion are individual things - a lone path. > > If some > > one want to attain enlightenment by following a group, bribing > > some > > gods, or dipping in some water, by touching some stones, or by > > providing a weekly prayer for compromise - he is not going to > > get it; > > true consciousness is not a commodity that can be bought in > > the > > market, or something we will get in return to some mechanical > > actions. > > Spirituality > > ------------- > > No true individual in that path will boast of his trusts or > > methods > > - he will never resort to fanatism, because he knows with in > > that > > everything is one, the manifestation of the same. The people > > calling > > from roof tops with different ids (E. Lalit - alias rpXrp, > > astro_caro,anstrosirnadhco), Prabhat mishra and Jaswal > > exhibits > > fanatic behavior, as if Hinduism is a commodity they own which > > they > > allow others to use just out of compassion! They think that > > they only > > know the history of India or that anything they cannot > > comprehend > > should be STOPPED instantaneously!! Who these guys think they > > are!! > > Everyone has to right to have their own opinions (opinions > > emerge out > > of our experiences in this limited life - and is always > > limited by the > > limitedness of our worldly being). They think they are saving > > the > > religion(!) instead of destroying it! > > True religion is something that flows from within - and it > > does not > > have a name. Actually a truly spiritual individual can never > > be part > > any ism or ity, (whether Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Buddhist > > or the > > other thousand ones in the world) - he is unique and so be his > > religion. Every true religion has only one creator, the man > > who is in > > the path, and only one follower, he himself. Crowd does not > > have a > > soul to attain salvation, only the individual has. > > I bow to all those who know this truth - and grateful to > > them for > > sharing the same feeling. > > Knowledge and Information > > ------------------------- > > Knowledge or information is a different thing. To study or > > to > > discuss it spirituality is not essential - even though the > > same could > > be an added advantage. True spirituality helps the > > consciousness to > > evolve and the same could be of much help anywhere - in > > dealing with > > information in a better way as well. > > History is not spirituality but knowledge - it is not > > something into > > which weak sensitivity and fanatism should be brought into. It > > is some > > thing to be approached in an objective manner. It is something > > to be > > viewed from all possible directions - both positive and > > negative - and > > arrive at a conclusion (which too cannot be complete). > > The same is true about astrology as well. It is a subject > > that > > should be approached objectively and systematically. You > > evolved > > consciousness can definitely help - but it is better not to > > contaminate the search after knowledge and information with > > non-essential elements like weak sensitivity or fanatism. > > To those 3 who where yelling from roof tops from the past 2 > > days > > > -------------------------------- > > If the castle is strong enough - why you fear?! If the > > structure > > withstood the great waves of thousands of years - why do you > > fools > > think that if you don't support it will fall down, like a > > domestic > > fowl who may believe that if he didn't cry the sun will not > > rise?!! > > Every time there is a point at which we should say - enough > > is > > enough! The same here as well. Mere 3 people Lalit, Prabhat > > and Jaswal > > making all these noise - and do you think that all the other > > 1000+ is > > keeping quite because they agree with you?! Shame on you! They > > don't > > want to dirty their hands with the nasty mud you pour and so > > the > > silence; they have much better and worthy things to do - so > > the > > silence. But alas, you don't even have the sensitivity to > > understand > > that! Pumping 10 mails each to a 1000+ members without content > > and do > > you think that you are helping them - do you think that they > > are > > present in this group just to delete the junk mails you sent > > to them? > > Shut up and get out! Make noise anywhere you want but not > > here! Enough > > is enough! > > At least try to learn something from Kaul ji, look at his > > mails, > > even though totally against the path this group follow, his > > mails are > > stuffed with valid information - in support of or against. > > When you > > argue, argue with content. We got other jobs as well - no body > > is > > waiting here to answer you 24x7 - don't expect that all these > > mockery > > will help. If some one posted something and if he was unable > > to check > > the mails for 2 days - some one pushing the same mails to a > > thousand > > users 10 times within 5 minutes!! It is not only absurd and > > madness > > but a crime! So the statement - Enough is enough! If you want > > to pour > > out the rain of mails without content create a group and do it > > there - > > exercise, practice, and one day you may learn to cross the > > world > > record by posting a crore message within 5 minutes.. > > Yes, you won in making this unmoderated group a moderated one > > - > > through your junk posts and spams. But note this - this is the > > same > > you will cause to the great ideas you act as if is your > > father's > > property! It is stupid people like you - who caused the > > current state > > of India and Hindu Religion. In an Upanishad you will see an > > example > > describing some dogs going around sacrificial fire chanting > > Ohm Ohm > > Ohm - without knowing its meaning or essence. Yes, it is not > > from some > > Christian or Muslim book - it is from the revered Upanishads > > which > > share their blissful beuty with us. It is the people like - > > the sages > > might have been describing. No wonder - I agree - your tribe > > was > > present then too!! > > Ok. Enough of shit and bull shit - I am tired of talking. I > > don't > > want to waste my time for you three and so I won't be > > responding to > > your mails - other paths and understanding differ. There is > > more than > > a 1000 members in this group - who are more interested in > > astrology > > and mails with informative content. The group and posts are > > for them - > > and not to waste after fanatics without proper understanding. > > Christian Plan > > -------------- > > To some stupid ones this group is the result of some > > Christian plan > > and funded by someone. Yes, it is. This group is moderated by > > 7 > > Christians such as - > > 1) Sreeram Srinivas (now in Indonesia) > > 2) Sreenadh (Delhi) > > 3) Vinita (Kashmir) > > 4) Renu (Srilanka) > > 5) Sunil Nair (Delhi) > > 6) Madhu (Trivandrum, Kerala) > > 7) RK (Delhi) > > Of course we may include more good Christians into this > > moderators > > group. By the way there are so many good Christians in this > > group. For > > example good Christians you can see in this group are Ernst > > ji, > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, While agreeing to Krishnaji's words i woild like to add some of my thoughts too. - " Sathyam Vada, Priyam Vada, Maa Vada Sathyampariyam " . Speak the truth always! Speak what is good! But don't speak the truth which is not good in taste and the truth which makes the listner feel sad or bad! God bless you! Regards Sarman , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Sreendah ji, > > You have made some statements and you say you have proof for > what you said and you can produce it as evidence. Fair enough. > There can be a fair discussion only when we could prove > something conclusively eitherway without any abmbiguity. But, is > that really possible with the kind of subject at hand? You > yourself claim that many of our ancient works are either > doctered or biased. And, how on earth will one believe that the > proof you eventually dish out is not from a contaminated source? > Why do you think it is not prepared by someone with vexed > interests thousand years back? How can you prove that it is > authentic source? > > So what are we going to prove? on what basis? for who's sake? > and what are we going to get out of it at the end? One has to > look into these answers before venturing into a proving mode. > > Eventually, it will turn out to be what someone believes in or > not is what matters irrespective of what is stated in an ancient > text or not. When it becomes a question of belief, there is > nothing to prove! > > Let us get back to Astrology based on facts - the charts that > speak! > > This is my sincere and humble advice. And, I know I can not > force my views onto anyone else, even my wife and children. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear All, > > As Barbara ji rightly mentioned - history is always a vexed > > question > > - full truth never known and never will be. Here being an > > astrology > > group we too should not be much interested in history - but on > > the > > available knowledge. The book Ramayana and the possible > > related > > literary history comes into consideration here - only because > > the > > books contains some bits of astrological references. Otherwise > > what > > relevance that text has in an astrology discussion forum?! > > Spirituality and Religion are individual things - a lone path. > > If some > > one want to attain enlightenment by following a group, bribing > > some > > gods, or dipping in some water, by touching some stones, or by > > providing a weekly prayer for compromise - he is not going to > > get it; > > true consciousness is not a commodity that can be bought in > > the > > market, or something we will get in return to some mechanical > > actions. > > Spirituality > > ------------- > > No true individual in that path will boast of his trusts or > > methods > > - he will never resort to fanatism, because he knows with in > > that > > everything is one, the manifestation of the same. The people > > calling > > from roof tops with different ids (E. Lalit - alias rpXrp, > > astro_caro,anstrosirnadhco), Prabhat mishra and Jaswal > > exhibits > > fanatic behavior, as if Hinduism is a commodity they own which > > they > > allow others to use just out of compassion! They think that > > they only > > know the history of India or that anything they cannot > > comprehend > > should be STOPPED instantaneously!! Who these guys think they > > are!! > > Everyone has to right to have their own opinions (opinions > > emerge out > > of our experiences in this limited life - and is always > > limited by the > > limitedness of our worldly being). They think they are saving > > the > > religion(!) instead of destroying it! > > True religion is something that flows from within - and it > > does not > > have a name. Actually a truly spiritual individual can never > > be part > > any ism or ity, (whether Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Buddhist > > or the > > other thousand ones in the world) - he is unique and so be his > > religion. Every true religion has only one creator, the man > > who is in > > the path, and only one follower, he himself. Crowd does not > > have a > > soul to attain salvation, only the individual has. > > I bow to all those who know this truth - and grateful to > > them for > > sharing the same feeling. > > Knowledge and Information > > ------------------------- > > Knowledge or information is a different thing. To study or > > to > > discuss it spirituality is not essential - even though the > > same could > > be an added advantage. True spirituality helps the > > consciousness to > > evolve and the same could be of much help anywhere - in > > dealing with > > information in a better way as well. > > History is not spirituality but knowledge - it is not > > something into > > which weak sensitivity and fanatism should be brought into. It > > is some > > thing to be approached in an objective manner. It is something > > to be > > viewed from all possible directions - both positive and > > negative - and > > arrive at a conclusion (which too cannot be complete). > > The same is true about astrology as well. It is a subject > > that > > should be approached objectively and systematically. You > > evolved > > consciousness can definitely help - but it is better not to > > contaminate the search after knowledge and information with > > non-essential elements like weak sensitivity or fanatism. > > To those 3 who where yelling from roof tops from the past 2 > > days > > > -------------------------------- > > If the castle is strong enough - why you fear?! If the > > structure > > withstood the great waves of thousands of years - why do you > > fools > > think that if you don't support it will fall down, like a > > domestic > > fowl who may believe that if he didn't cry the sun will not > > rise?!! > > Every time there is a point at which we should say - enough > > is > > enough! The same here as well. Mere 3 people Lalit, Prabhat > > and Jaswal > > making all these noise - and do you think that all the other > > 1000+ is > > keeping quite because they agree with you?! Shame on you! They > > don't > > want to dirty their hands with the nasty mud you pour and so > > the > > silence; they have much better and worthy things to do - so > > the > > silence. But alas, you don't even have the sensitivity to > > understand > > that! Pumping 10 mails each to a 1000+ members without content > > and do > > you think that you are helping them - do you think that they > > are > > present in this group just to delete the junk mails you sent > > to them? > > Shut up and get out! Make noise anywhere you want but not > > here! Enough > > is enough! > > At least try to learn something from Kaul ji, look at his > > mails, > > even though totally against the path this group follow, his > > mails are > > stuffed with valid information - in support of or against. > > When you > > argue, argue with content. We got other jobs as well - no body > > is > > waiting here to answer you 24x7 - don't expect that all these > > mockery > > will help. If some one posted something and if he was unable > > to check > > the mails for 2 days - some one pushing the same mails to a > > thousand > > users 10 times within 5 minutes!! It is not only absurd and > > madness > > but a crime! So the statement - Enough is enough! If you want > > to pour > > out the rain of mails without content create a group and do it > > there - > > exercise, practice, and one day you may learn to cross the > > world > > record by posting a crore message within 5 minutes.. > > Yes, you won in making this unmoderated group a moderated one > > - > > through your junk posts and spams. But note this - this is the > > same > > you will cause to the great ideas you act as if is your > > father's > > property! It is stupid people like you - who caused the > > current state > > of India and Hindu Religion. In an Upanishad you will see an > > example > > describing some dogs going around sacrificial fire chanting > > Ohm Ohm > > Ohm - without knowing its meaning or essence. Yes, it is not > > from some > > Christian or Muslim book - it is from the revered Upanishads > > which > > share their blissful beuty with us. It is the people like - > > the sages > > might have been describing. No wonder - I agree - your tribe > > was > > present then too!! > > Ok. Enough of shit and bull shit - I am tired of talking. I > > don't > > want to waste my time for you three and so I won't be > > responding to > > your mails - other paths and understanding differ. There is > > more than > > a 1000 members in this group - who are more interested in > > astrology > > and mails with informative content. The group and posts are > > for them - > > and not to waste after fanatics without proper understanding. > > Christian Plan > > -------------- > > To some stupid ones this group is the result of some > > Christian plan > > and funded by someone. Yes, it is. This group is moderated by > > 7 > > Christians such as - > > 1) Sreeram Srinivas (now in Indonesia) > > 2) Sreenadh (Delhi) > > 3) Vinita (Kashmir) > > 4) Renu (Srilanka) > > 5) Sunil Nair (Delhi) > > 6) Madhu (Trivandrum, Kerala) > > 7) RK (Delhi) > > Of course we may include more good Christians into this > > moderators > > group. By the way there are so many good Christians in this > > group. For > > example good Christians you can see in this group are Ernst > > ji, > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Dear Sarman ji, ==> > " Sathyam Vada, Priyam Vada, Maa Vada Sathyampariyam " . Speak the > truth always! Speak what is good! But don't speak the truth which is > not good in taste and the truth which makes the listener feel sad or > bad! <== You are right - and I agree. Now onwards I will pour in the acidic and baffling truths in its full essence - only when people are in need of some excitement.. Bomb shells should be rare and peaceful life should be the norm - i agree. Thanks for good and understanding words.. Love and Hugs, Sreenadh , " Sarman ANS " <vsarman wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > > While agreeing to Krishnaji's words i woild like to add some of > my thoughts too. - > > " Sathyam Vada, Priyam Vada, Maa Vada Sathyampariyam " . Speak the > truth always! Speak what is good! But don't speak the truth which is > not good in taste and the truth which makes the listner feel sad or bad! > > God bless you! > > Regards > Sarman > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreendah ji, > > > > You have made some statements and you say you have proof for > > what you said and you can produce it as evidence. Fair enough. > > There can be a fair discussion only when we could prove > > something conclusively eitherway without any abmbiguity. But, is > > that really possible with the kind of subject at hand? You > > yourself claim that many of our ancient works are either > > doctered or biased. And, how on earth will one believe that the > > proof you eventually dish out is not from a contaminated source? > > Why do you think it is not prepared by someone with vexed > > interests thousand years back? How can you prove that it is > > authentic source? > > > > So what are we going to prove? on what basis? for who's sake? > > and what are we going to get out of it at the end? One has to > > look into these answers before venturing into a proving mode. > > > > Eventually, it will turn out to be what someone believes in or > > not is what matters irrespective of what is stated in an ancient > > text or not. When it becomes a question of belief, there is > > nothing to prove! > > > > Let us get back to Astrology based on facts - the charts that > > speak! > > > > This is my sincere and humble advice. And, I know I can not > > force my views onto anyone else, even my wife and children. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > As Barbara ji rightly mentioned - history is always a vexed > > > question > > > - full truth never known and never will be. Here being an > > > astrology > > > group we too should not be much interested in history - but on > > > the > > > available knowledge. The book Ramayana and the possible > > > related > > > literary history comes into consideration here - only because > > > the > > > books contains some bits of astrological references. Otherwise > > > what > > > relevance that text has in an astrology discussion forum?! > > > Spirituality and Religion are individual things - a lone path. > > > If some > > > one want to attain enlightenment by following a group, bribing > > > some > > > gods, or dipping in some water, by touching some stones, or by > > > providing a weekly prayer for compromise - he is not going to > > > get it; > > > true consciousness is not a commodity that can be bought in > > > the > > > market, or something we will get in return to some mechanical > > > actions. > > > Spirituality > > > ------------- > > > No true individual in that path will boast of his trusts or > > > methods > > > - he will never resort to fanatism, because he knows with in > > > that > > > everything is one, the manifestation of the same. The people > > > calling > > > from roof tops with different ids (E. Lalit - alias rpXrp, > > > astro_caro,anstrosirnadhco), Prabhat mishra and Jaswal > > > exhibits > > > fanatic behavior, as if Hinduism is a commodity they own which > > > they > > > allow others to use just out of compassion! They think that > > > they only > > > know the history of India or that anything they cannot > > > comprehend > > > should be STOPPED instantaneously!! Who these guys think they > > > are!! > > > Everyone has to right to have their own opinions (opinions > > > emerge out > > > of our experiences in this limited life - and is always > > > limited by the > > > limitedness of our worldly being). They think they are saving > > > the > > > religion(!) instead of destroying it! > > > True religion is something that flows from within - and it > > > does not > > > have a name. Actually a truly spiritual individual can never > > > be part > > > any ism or ity, (whether Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Buddhist > > > or the > > > other thousand ones in the world) - he is unique and so be his > > > religion. Every true religion has only one creator, the man > > > who is in > > > the path, and only one follower, he himself. Crowd does not > > > have a > > > soul to attain salvation, only the individual has. > > > I bow to all those who know this truth - and grateful to > > > them for > > > sharing the same feeling. > > > Knowledge and Information > > > ------------------------- > > > Knowledge or information is a different thing. To study or > > > to > > > discuss it spirituality is not essential - even though the > > > same could > > > be an added advantage. True spirituality helps the > > > consciousness to > > > evolve and the same could be of much help anywhere - in > > > dealing with > > > information in a better way as well. > > > History is not spirituality but knowledge - it is not > > > something into > > > which weak sensitivity and fanatism should be brought into. It > > > is some > > > thing to be approached in an objective manner. It is something > > > to be > > > viewed from all possible directions - both positive and > > > negative - and > > > arrive at a conclusion (which too cannot be complete). > > > The same is true about astrology as well. It is a subject > > > that > > > should be approached objectively and systematically. You > > > evolved > > > consciousness can definitely help - but it is better not to > > > contaminate the search after knowledge and information with > > > non-essential elements like weak sensitivity or fanatism. > > > To those 3 who where yelling from roof tops from the past 2 > > > days > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > If the castle is strong enough - why you fear?! If the > > > structure > > > withstood the great waves of thousands of years - why do you > > > fools > > > think that if you don't support it will fall down, like a > > > domestic > > > fowl who may believe that if he didn't cry the sun will not > > > rise?!! > > > Every time there is a point at which we should say - enough > > > is > > > enough! The same here as well. Mere 3 people Lalit, Prabhat > > > and Jaswal > > > making all these noise - and do you think that all the other > > > 1000+ is > > > keeping quite because they agree with you?! Shame on you! They > > > don't > > > want to dirty their hands with the nasty mud you pour and so > > > the > > > silence; they have much better and worthy things to do - so > > > the > > > silence. But alas, you don't even have the sensitivity to > > > understand > > > that! Pumping 10 mails each to a 1000+ members without content > > > and do > > > you think that you are helping them - do you think that they > > > are > > > present in this group just to delete the junk mails you sent > > > to them? > > > Shut up and get out! Make noise anywhere you want but not > > > here! Enough > > > is enough! > > > At least try to learn something from Kaul ji, look at his > > > mails, > > > even though totally against the path this group follow, his > > > mails are > > > stuffed with valid information - in support of or against. > > > When you > > > argue, argue with content. We got other jobs as well - no body > > > is > > > waiting here to answer you 24x7 - don't expect that all these > > > mockery > > > will help. If some one posted something and if he was unable > > > to check > > > the mails for 2 days - some one pushing the same mails to a > > > thousand > > > users 10 times within 5 minutes!! It is not only absurd and > > > madness > > > but a crime! So the statement - Enough is enough! If you want > > > to pour > > > out the rain of mails without content create a group and do it > > > there - > > > exercise, practice, and one day you may learn to cross the > > > world > > > record by posting a crore message within 5 minutes.. > > > Yes, you won in making this unmoderated group a moderated one > > > - > > > through your junk posts and spams. But note this - this is the > > > same > > > you will cause to the great ideas you act as if is your > > > father's > > > property! It is stupid people like you - who caused the > > > current state > > > of India and Hindu Religion. In an Upanishad you will see an > > > example > > > describing some dogs going around sacrificial fire chanting > > > Ohm Ohm > > > Ohm - without knowing its meaning or essence. Yes, it is not > > > from some > > > Christian or Muslim book - it is from the revered Upanishads > > > which > > > share their blissful beuty with us. It is the people like - > > > the sages > > > might have been describing. No wonder - I agree - your tribe > > > was > > > present then too!! > > > Ok. Enough of shit and bull shit - I am tired of talking. I > > > don't > > > want to waste my time for you three and so I won't be > > > responding to > > > your mails - other paths and understanding differ. There is > > > more than > > > a 1000 members in this group - who are more interested in > > > astrology > > > and mails with informative content. The group and posts are > > > for them - > > > and not to waste after fanatics without proper understanding. > > > Christian Plan > > > -------------- > > > To some stupid ones this group is the result of some > > > Christian plan > > > and funded by someone. Yes, it is. This group is moderated by > > > 7 > > > Christians such as - > > > 1) Sreeram Srinivas (now in Indonesia) > > > 2) Sreenadh (Delhi) > > > 3) Vinita (Kashmir) > > > 4) Renu (Srilanka) > > > 5) Sunil Nair (Delhi) > > > 6) Madhu (Trivandrum, Kerala) > > > 7) RK (Delhi) > > > Of course we may include more good Christians into this > > > moderators > > > group. By the way there are so many good Christians in this > > > group. For > > > example good Christians you can see in this group are Ernst > > > ji, > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Dear SR ji, ==> While quoting scriptures we should always try to be accurate. <== Thanks for the good advice - I agree with you. Love, Sreenadh , SreenivasanRaju Aiyer <sraiyerr wrote: > > The following is the exact wording of " Satyam bruyat... " While quoting scriptures we should always try to be accurate. > > - SRAiyer > > > satyam bruyat priyam bruyat na bruyat satyam apriyam > priyam ca nanrutam bruyat esha dharmah sanatanah > (Manu Smruti) > > Speak truth in such a way that it should be pleasing to others. Never speak truth, which is unpleasant to others. Never speak untruth, which might be pleasant. This is the path of eternal morality, sanatana dharma. > > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Sarman ji, > ==> > > " Sathyam Vada, Priyam Vada, Maa Vada Sathyampariyam " . Speak the > > truth always! Speak what is good! But don't speak the truth which is > > not good in taste and the truth which makes the listener feel sad or > > bad! > <== > You are right - and I agree. Now onwards I will pour in the acidic > and baffling truths in its full essence - only when people are in need > of some excitement.. Bomb shells should be rare and peaceful life > should be the norm - i agree. > Thanks for good and understanding words.. > Love and Hugs, > Sreenadh > > , " Sarman ANS " > <vsarman@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > While agreeing to Krishnaji's words i woild like to add some of > > my thoughts too. - > > > > " Sathyam Vada, Priyam Vada, Maa Vada Sathyampariyam " . Speak the > > truth always! Speak what is good! But don't speak the truth which is > > not good in taste and the truth which makes the listner feel sad or bad! > > > > God bless you! > > > > Regards > > Sarman > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreendah ji, > > > > > > You have made some statements and you say you have proof for > > > what you said and you can produce it as evidence. Fair enough. > > > There can be a fair discussion only when we could prove > > > something conclusively eitherway without any abmbiguity. But, is > > > that really possible with the kind of subject at hand? You > > > yourself claim that many of our ancient works are either > > > doctered or biased. And, how on earth will one believe that the > > > proof you eventually dish out is not from a contaminated source? > > > Why do you think it is not prepared by someone with vexed > > > interests thousand years back? How can you prove that it is > > > authentic source? > > > > > > So what are we going to prove? on what basis? for who's sake? > > > and what are we going to get out of it at the end? One has to > > > look into these answers before venturing into a proving mode. > > > > > > Eventually, it will turn out to be what someone believes in or > > > not is what matters irrespective of what is stated in an ancient > > > text or not. When it becomes a question of belief, there is > > > nothing to prove! > > > > > > Let us get back to Astrology based on facts - the charts that > > > speak! > > > > > > This is my sincere and humble advice. And, I know I can not > > > force my views onto anyone else, even my wife and children. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > As Barbara ji rightly mentioned - history is always a vexed > > > > question > > > > - full truth never known and never will be. Here being an > > > > astrology > > > > group we too should not be much interested in history - but on > > > > the > > > > available knowledge. The book Ramayana and the possible > > > > related > > > > literary history comes into consideration here - only because > > > > the > > > > books contains some bits of astrological references. Otherwise > > > > what > > > > relevance that text has in an astrology discussion forum?! > > > > Spirituality and Religion are individual things - a lone path. > > > > If some > > > > one want to attain enlightenment by following a group, bribing > > > > some > > > > gods, or dipping in some water, by touching some stones, or by > > > > providing a weekly prayer for compromise - he is not going to > > > > get it; > > > > true consciousness is not a commodity that can be bought in > > > > the > > > > market, or something we will get in return to some mechanical > > > > actions. > > > > Spirituality > > > > ------------- > > > > No true individual in that path will boast of his trusts or > > > > methods > > > > - he will never resort to fanatism, because he knows with in > > > > that > > > > everything is one, the manifestation of the same. The people > > > > calling > > > > from roof tops with different ids (E. Lalit - alias rpXrp, > > > > astro_caro,anstrosirnadhco), Prabhat mishra and Jaswal > > > > exhibits > > > > fanatic behavior, as if Hinduism is a commodity they own which > > > > they > > > > allow others to use just out of compassion! They think that > > > > they only > > > > know the history of India or that anything they cannot > > > > comprehend > > > > should be STOPPED instantaneously!! Who these guys think they > > > > are!! > > > > Everyone has to right to have their own opinions (opinions > > > > emerge out > > > > of our experiences in this limited life - and is always > > > > limited by the > > > > limitedness of our worldly being). They think they are saving > > > > the > > > > religion(!) instead of destroying it! > > > > True religion is something that flows from within - and it > > > > does not > > > > have a name. Actually a truly spiritual individual can never > > > > be part > > > > any ism or ity, (whether Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Buddhist > > > > or the > > > > other thousand ones in the world) - he is unique and so be his > > > > religion. Every true religion has only one creator, the man > > > > who is in > > > > the path, and only one follower, he himself. Crowd does not > > > > have a > > > > soul to attain salvation, only the individual has. > > > > I bow to all those who know this truth - and grateful to > > > > them for > > > > sharing the same feeling. > > > > Knowledge and Information > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Knowledge or information is a different thing. To study or > > > > to > > > > discuss it spirituality is not essential - even though the > > > > same could > > > > be an added advantage. True spirituality helps the > > > > consciousness to > > > > evolve and the same could be of much help anywhere - in > > > > dealing with > > > > information in a better way as well. > > > > History is not spirituality but knowledge - it is not > > > > something into > > > > which weak sensitivity and fanatism should be brought into. It > > > > is some > > > > thing to be approached in an objective manner. It is something > > > > to be > > > > viewed from all possible directions - both positive and > > > > negative - and > > > > arrive at a conclusion (which too cannot be complete). > > > > The same is true about astrology as well. It is a subject > > > > that > > > > should be approached objectively and systematically. You > > > > evolved > > > > consciousness can definitely help - but it is better not to > > > > contaminate the search after knowledge and information with > > > > non-essential elements like weak sensitivity or fanatism. > > > > To those 3 who where yelling from roof tops from the past 2 > > > > days > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > If the castle is strong enough - why you fear?! If the > > > > structure > > > > withstood the great waves of thousands of years - why do you > > > > fools > > > > think that if you don't support it will fall down, like a > > > > domestic > > > > fowl who may believe that if he didn't cry the sun will not > > > > rise?!! > > > > Every time there is a point at which we should say - enough > > > > is > > > > enough! The same here as well. Mere 3 people Lalit, Prabhat > > > > and Jaswal > > > > making all these noise - and do you think that all the other > > > > 1000+ is > > > > keeping quite because they agree with you?! Shame on you! They > > > > don't > > > > want to dirty their hands with the nasty mud you pour and so > > > > the > > > > silence; they have much better and worthy things to do - so > > > > the > > > > silence. But alas, you don't even have the sensitivity to > > > > understand > > > > that! Pumping 10 mails each to a 1000+ members without content > > > > and do > > > > you think that you are helping them - do you think that they > > > > are > > > > present in this group just to delete the junk mails you sent > > > > to them? > > > > Shut up and get out! Make noise anywhere you want but not > > > > here! Enough > > > > is enough! > > > > At least try to learn something from Kaul ji, look at his > > > > mails, > > > > even though totally against the path this group follow, his > > > > mails are > > > > stuffed with valid information - in support of or against. > > > > When you > > > > argue, argue with content. We got other jobs as well - no body > > > > is > > > > waiting here to answer you 24x7 - don't expect that all these > > > > mockery > > > > will help. If some one posted something and if he was unable > > > > to check > > > > the mails for 2 days - some one pushing the same mails to a > > > > thousand > > > > users 10 times within 5 minutes!! It is not only absurd and > > > > madness > > > > but a crime! So the statement - Enough is enough! If you want > > > > to pour > > > > out the rain of mails without content create a group and do it > > > > there - > > > > exercise, practice, and one day you may learn to cross the > > > > world > > > > record by posting a crore message within 5 minutes.. > > > > Yes, you won in making this unmoderated group a moderated one > > > > - > > > > through your junk posts and spams. But note this - this is the > > > > same > > > > you will cause to the great ideas you act as if is your > > > > father's > > > > property! It is stupid people like you - who caused the > > > > current state > > > > of India and Hindu Religion. In an Upanishad you will see an > > > > example > > > > describing some dogs going around sacrificial fire chanting > > > > Ohm Ohm > > > > Ohm - without knowing its meaning or essence. Yes, it is not > > > > from some > > > > Christian or Muslim book - it is from the revered Upanishads > > > > which > > > > share their blissful beuty with us. It is the people like - > > > > the sages > > > > might have been describing. No wonder - I agree - your tribe > > > > was > > > > present then too!! > > > > Ok. Enough of shit and bull shit - I am tired of talking. I > > > > don't > > > > want to waste my time for you three and so I won't be > > > > responding to > > > > your mails - other paths and understanding differ. There is > > > > more than > > > > a 1000 members in this group - who are more interested in > > > > astrology > > > > and mails with informative content. The group and posts are > > > > for them - > > > > and not to waste after fanatics without proper understanding. > > > > Christian Plan > > > > -------------- > > > > To some stupid ones this group is the result of some > > > > Christian plan > > > > and funded by someone. Yes, it is. This group is moderated by > > > > 7 > > > > Christians such as - > > > > 1) Sreeram Srinivas (now in Indonesia) > > > > 2) Sreenadh (Delhi) > > > > 3) Vinita (Kashmir) > > > > 4) Renu (Srilanka) > > > > 5) Sunil Nair (Delhi) > > > > 6) Madhu (Trivandrum, Kerala) > > > > 7) RK (Delhi) > > > > Of course we may include more good Christians into this > > > > moderators > > > > group. By the way there are so many good Christians in this > > > > group. For > > > > example good Christians you can see in this group are Ernst > > > > ji, > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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