Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Goel, I do not think you have read the link I have given carefully or there might be some mistake. Krushna’s ayanamsa is approximately 54 MINUTES less than Lahiri and not 57 SECONDS as you have claimed. Another factor to consider, this Krushna’s ayanamsa is around and in the family of Krushnaji’s Guruji and a part and parcel of KAS system. The exact date of Krushna’s Ayanamsa is given of 24th Feb 366 AD. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of gkgoel1937 Thursday October 25, 2007 3:20 AM Subject: True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa Dear Friends, Krushna Ayanamsa is totally synonimum to Chitra Pakchha ayanamsa. I therefore suggest , let us not introduce an Ayanamsa from another name. this will increase the confusion.The difnition of chitra(Krushna) Ayanamsa will be as under: True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa = Tropical longtude of Star Citra(Spica- 16) - 180 deg. For the year 2007 Chitra AYANAMSA can be obtained by deducting 57 sec. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Goel, I do not think you have read the link I have given carefully or there might be some mistake. Krushna’s ayanamsa is approximately 54 MINUTES less than Lahiri and not 57 SECONDS as you have claimed. Another factor to consider, this Krushna’s ayanamsa is around and in the family of Krushnaji’s Guruji and a part and parcel of KAS system. The exact date of Krushna’s Ayanamsa is given of 24th Feb 366 AD. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of gkgoel1937 Thursday October 25, 2007 3:20 AM Subject: True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa Dear Friends, Krushna Ayanamsa is totally synonimum to Chitra Pakchha ayanamsa. I therefore suggest , let us not introduce an Ayanamsa from another name. this will increase the confusion.The difnition of chitra(Krushna) Ayanamsa will be as under: True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa = Tropical longtude of Star Citra(Spica- 16) - 180 deg. For the year 2007 Chitra AYANAMSA can be obtained by deducting 57 sec. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear Ash, Many thanks for your clarification. We are the members of Shir Jagannath Centre . After careful consideration of all types of AYANAMSA'S WHICH ARE BEING Presently POPULARISED IN INDIA, OUR GURUJI Pt.SANJAY Rath has blessed the thinking of the group, that True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa should be used. This Ayanamsa is not after the name of any personality and based purely on astronomical considerations. I have posted a detailed article yesterday for adopting Chitra Ayanamsa. Frankly speaking we do not know the basis on which your family adopted a particular value of Ayanamsa. Best Regards,Ash <kas wrote: Dear Goel, I do not think you have read the link I have given carefully or there might be some mistake. Krushna’s ayanamsa is approximately 54 MINUTES less than Lahiri and not 57 SECONDS as you have claimed. Another factor to consider, this Krushna’s ayanamsa is around and in the family of Krushnaji’s Guruji and a part and parcel of KAS system. The exact date of Krushna’s Ayanamsa is given of 24th Feb 366 AD. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of gkgoel1937Thursday October 25, 2007 3:20 AM Subject: True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa Dear Friends,Krushna Ayanamsa is totally synonimum to Chitra Pakchha ayanamsa.I therefore suggest , let us not introduce an Ayanamsa from another name. this will increase the confusion.The difnition of chitra(Krushna)Ayanamsa will be as under:True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa = Tropical longtude of Star Citra(Spica-16) - 180 deg.For the year 2007 Chitra AYANAMSA can be obtained by deducting 57 sec.Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear Goel ji, There are valid foundations for the arguments behind many scholars. I personally use and belive in 'True Ayanamsa' reflected in Surya sidhanta (proposed and popularised by Chandrahari) alone - and a detailed document discussing the same, and refuting the claimes about all the multiple 'Chitra Paksha Ayanamsas' (There are 2 of them!!) is available in files section of the group. The URL for the same is: Chandra%20Hari/ Basics_of_the_Ayanamsa_Dispute.doc Reading the same could be helpful to you - for refining your argument in favor of chitrapaksha or to change the attitude against it. But the fact remains that in a circle (zodiac) any point could act as the zero point - and a system created based on rigorous observation and experimentation of human experience can reflect truth possibly for a short period. Thus it should be accepted that KP system works well with KP Ayanamsa and KAS with Krush ji's Ayanamsa. When we are trying to learn or accpet something it is better to accept it in its true essence. So if I am learning KAS system, along with it I will use Krush ji's Ayanamsa only - I am sure; and the same with KP. Thus Multiple Ayanamsa's stands as a true possibility - and in the long run only the Ayanamsa with a true mathematical foundation and which became the logical base for Sign & Nakshatra division may stand accepted, i trust. Note: Please read the detailed document of Chandrahari on Ayanamsa dispute - could be much helpful. It is not guru's words (if he is not a proponder of a new system) but our verification of the same with actual experience that makes accept or reject a theory. Love, Sreenadh , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > Many thanks for your clarification. > We are the members of Shir Jagannath Centre . After careful consideration of all types of AYANAMSA'S WHICH ARE BEING Presently POPULARISED IN INDIA, > OUR GURUJI Pt.SANJAY Rath has blessed the thinking of the group, that > True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa should be used. This Ayanamsa is not after the name of any personality and based purely on astronomical considerations. > I have posted a detailed article yesterday for adopting Chitra Ayanamsa. > Frankly speaking we do not know the basis on which your family adopted a particular value of Ayanamsa. > Best Regards, > > Ash <kas wrote: > Dear Goel, > > I do not think you have read the link I have given carefully or there might be some mistake. > Krushna's ayanamsa is approximately 54 MINUTES less than Lahiri and not 57 SECONDS as you have claimed. > > Another factor to consider, this Krushna's ayanamsa is around and in the family of Krushnaji's Guruji and a part and parcel of KAS system. > The exact date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is given of 24th Feb 366 AD. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > On Behalf Of gkgoel1937 > Thursday October 25, 2007 3:20 AM > > True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa > > > Dear Friends, > Krushna Ayanamsa is totally synonimum to Chitra Pakchha ayanamsa. > I therefore suggest , let us not introduce an Ayanamsa from another > name. this will increase the confusion.The difnition of chitra(Krushna) > Ayanamsa will be as under: > True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa = Tropical longtude of Star Citra(Spica- > 16) - 180 deg. > For the year 2007 Chitra AYANAMSA can be obtained by deducting 57 sec. > Regards, > > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear Mr. Sreenadh, We are fully aware about the views of learned Mr. chandrahari . You have also raised some relevant points and aspects in your massage. I shall give my considered response and reasons for suggesting Star chitra as focal point in Weeks time. . In our group no one tries to impose the views on each other.But ,if our Guruji also agrees ,then only we should say that this is the view of our group-Sri Jagganath centre. Regards,Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Goel ji,There are valid foundations for the arguments behind many scholars.I personally use and belive in 'True Ayanamsa' reflected in Suryasidhanta (proposed and popularised by Chandrahari) alone - and adetailed document discussing the same, and refuting the claimes aboutall the multiple 'Chitra Paksha Ayanamsas' (There are 2 of them!!) isavailable in files section of the group. The URL for the same is:Chandra%20Hari/Basics_of_the_Ayanamsa_Dispute.doc Reading the same could be helpful to you - for refining yourargument in favor of chitrapaksha or to change the attitude against it. But the fact remains that in a circle (zodiac) any point could actas the zero point - and a system created based on rigorous observationand experimentation of human experience can reflect truth possibly fora short period. Thus it should be accepted that KP system works wellwith KP Ayanamsa and KAS with Krush ji's Ayanamsa. When we are tryingto learn or accpet something it is better to accept it in its trueessence. So if I am learning KAS system, along with it I will useKrush ji's Ayanamsa only - I am sure; and the same with KP. Thus Multiple Ayanamsa's stands as a true possibility - and in thelong run only the Ayanamsa with a true mathematical foundation andwhich became the logical base for Sign & Nakshatra division may standaccepted, i trust. Note: Please read the detailed document of Chandrahari on Ayanamsadispute - could be much helpful. It is not guru's words (if he is nota proponder of a new system) but our verification of the same withactual experience that makes accept or reject a theory.Love,Sreenadh , Gopal Goel<gkgoel1937 wrote:>> Dear Ash,> Many thanks for your clarification.> We are the members of Shir Jagannath Centre . After carefulconsideration of all types of AYANAMSA'S WHICH ARE BEING PresentlyPOPULARISED IN INDIA,> OUR GURUJI Pt.SANJAY Rath has blessed the thinking of the group, that > True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa should be used. This Ayanamsa is notafter the name of any personality and based purely on astronomicalconsiderations.> I have posted a detailed article yesterday for adopting ChitraAyanamsa.> Frankly speaking we do not know the basis on which your familyadopted a particular value of Ayanamsa.> Best Regards,> > Ash <kas wrote:> Dear Goel,> > I do not think you have read the link I have given carefully orthere might be some mistake.> Krushna's ayanamsa is approximately 54 MINUTES less than Lahiriand not 57 SECONDS as you have claimed.> > Another factor to consider, this Krushna's ayanamsa is around andin the family of Krushnaji's Guruji and a part and parcel of KAS system.> The exact date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is given of 24th Feb 366 AD. > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > [ ] On Behalf Of gkgoel1937> Thursday October 25, 2007 3:20 AM> > True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa> > > Dear Friends,> Krushna Ayanamsa is totally synonimum to Chitra Pakchha ayanamsa.> I therefore suggest , let us not introduce an Ayanamsa from another > name. this will increase the confusion.The difnition of chitra(Krushna)> Ayanamsa will be as under:> True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa = Tropical longtude of Star Citra(Spica-> 16) - 180 deg.> For the year 2007 Chitra AYANAMSA can be obtained by deducting 57 sec.> Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA> > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now.>G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Resp Sreenadhji, What is the result of Mars and Venus in 9th asp by debilitated moon in a Virgo ascdt horoscope ? aditya --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Goel ji, > There are valid foundations for the arguments > behind many scholars. > I personally use and belive in 'True Ayanamsa' > reflected in Surya > sidhanta (proposed and popularised by Chandrahari) > alone - and a > detailed document discussing the same, and refuting > the claimes about > all the multiple 'Chitra Paksha Ayanamsas' (There > are 2 of them!!) is > available in files section of the group. The URL > for the same is: > Chandra%20Hari/ > Basics_of_the_Ayanamsa_Dispute.doc > Reading the same could be helpful to you - for > refining your > argument in favor of chitrapaksha or to change the > attitude against it. > But the fact remains that in a circle (zodiac) any > point could act > as the zero point - and a system created based on > rigorous observation > and experimentation of human experience can reflect > truth possibly for > a short period. Thus it should be accepted that KP > system works well > with KP Ayanamsa and KAS with Krush ji's Ayanamsa. > When we are trying > to learn or accpet something it is better to accept > it in its true > essence. So if I am learning KAS system, along with > it I will use > Krush ji's Ayanamsa only - I am sure; and the same > with KP. > Thus Multiple Ayanamsa's stands as a true > possibility - and in the > long run only the Ayanamsa with a true mathematical > foundation and > which became the logical base for Sign & Nakshatra > division may stand > accepted, i trust. > Note: Please read the detailed document of > Chandrahari on Ayanamsa > dispute - could be much helpful. It is not guru's > words (if he is not > a proponder of a new system) but our verification of > the same with > actual experience that makes accept or reject a > theory. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , > Gopal Goel > <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Many thanks for your clarification. > > We are the members of Shir Jagannath Centre . > After careful > consideration of all types of AYANAMSA'S WHICH ARE > BEING Presently > POPULARISED IN INDIA, > > OUR GURUJI Pt.SANJAY Rath has blessed the > thinking of the group, that > > True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa should be used. > This Ayanamsa is not > after the name of any personality and based purely > on astronomical > considerations. > > I have posted a detailed article yesterday for > adopting Chitra > Ayanamsa. > > Frankly speaking we do not know the basis on > which your family > adopted a particular value of Ayanamsa. > > Best Regards, > > > > Ash <kas wrote: > > Dear Goel, > > > > I do not think you have read the link I have > given carefully or > there might be some mistake. > > Krushna's ayanamsa is approximately 54 MINUTES > less than Lahiri > and not 57 SECONDS as you have claimed. > > > > Another factor to consider, this Krushna's > ayanamsa is around and > in the family of Krushnaji's Guruji and a part and > parcel of KAS system. > > The exact date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is given of > 24th Feb 366 AD. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > On > Behalf Of gkgoel1937 > > Thursday October 25, 2007 3:20 AM > > > > True Chitra > Pakchha Ayanamsa > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > Krushna Ayanamsa is totally synonimum to Chitra > Pakchha ayanamsa. > > I therefore suggest , let us not introduce an > Ayanamsa from another > > name. this will increase the confusion.The > difnition of chitra(Krushna) > > Ayanamsa will be as under: > > True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa = Tropical longtude > of Star Citra(Spica- > > 16) - 180 deg. > > For the year 2007 Chitra AYANAMSA can be obtained > by deducting 57 sec. > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. > Join them now. > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. To know how, go to http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Dear Aditya ji, If you look at my previous mails - there is a system I am trying to present in a systematic way. Naturally I am relectant to respond to mails or queries that go against such a systematic approch. Currently the major thread discussed in the group is " 2-planet combinations " and there too " Su-Mo combination " as far as I am concerned. Sorry for the fact that I am not addressing your mail - in an effort to - not to deviate from what I am presenting. But still a look at your question in a different perspective than you expected.. ==> > What is the result of Mars and Venus in 9th asp by > debilitated moon in a Virgo ascdt horoscope ? <== * Mars+Venus: 2 -planet combination; but we are yet to reach there. * they are in 9th: 2-planet combination in 9th; miles away! * Aspected by moon : with in planet based derivation; but aspects are yet to be discussed; again miles away! * Aspected by Debilated Moon: Sign-Planet derivation; concept discussed - taking Sun as an example; but not yet for aspect; do it yourself. * Virgo Ascendent: House comes into play! Means request is for reading a Sign-House-Planet combination; or in better terms - possibly to read own horoscope in a hidden way. Thus essentially and naturally the question is out of scope - as far as I am concerned. Love, Sreenadh , Aditya Chakraborty <adityauc wrote: > > Resp Sreenadhji, > > What is the result of Mars and Venus in 9th asp by > debilitated moon in a Virgo ascdt horoscope ? > aditya > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Goel ji, > > There are valid foundations for the arguments > > behind many scholars. > > I personally use and belive in 'True Ayanamsa' > > reflected in Surya > > sidhanta (proposed and popularised by Chandrahari) > > alone - and a > > detailed document discussing the same, and refuting > > the claimes about > > all the multiple 'Chitra Paksha Ayanamsas' (There > > are 2 of them!!) is > > available in files section of the group. The URL > > for the same is: > > > Chandra%20Hari/ > > Basics_of_the_Ayanamsa_Dispute.doc > > Reading the same could be helpful to you - for > > refining your > > argument in favor of chitrapaksha or to change the > > attitude against it. > > But the fact remains that in a circle (zodiac) any > > point could act > > as the zero point - and a system created based on > > rigorous observation > > and experimentation of human experience can reflect > > truth possibly for > > a short period. Thus it should be accepted that KP > > system works well > > with KP Ayanamsa and KAS with Krush ji's Ayanamsa. > > When we are trying > > to learn or accpet something it is better to accept > > it in its true > > essence. So if I am learning KAS system, along with > > it I will use > > Krush ji's Ayanamsa only - I am sure; and the same > > with KP. > > Thus Multiple Ayanamsa's stands as a true > > possibility - and in the > > long run only the Ayanamsa with a true mathematical > > foundation and > > which became the logical base for Sign & Nakshatra > > division may stand > > accepted, i trust. > > Note: Please read the detailed document of > > Chandrahari on Ayanamsa > > dispute - could be much helpful. It is not guru's > > words (if he is not > > a proponder of a new system) but our verification of > > the same with > > actual experience that makes accept or reject a > > theory. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , > > Gopal Goel > > <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > Many thanks for your clarification. > > > We are the members of Shir Jagannath Centre . > > After careful > > consideration of all types of AYANAMSA'S WHICH ARE > > BEING Presently > > POPULARISED IN INDIA, > > > OUR GURUJI Pt.SANJAY Rath has blessed the > > thinking of the group, that > > > True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa should be used. > > This Ayanamsa is not > > after the name of any personality and based purely > > on astronomical > > considerations. > > > I have posted a detailed article yesterday for > > adopting Chitra > > Ayanamsa. > > > Frankly speaking we do not know the basis on > > which your family > > adopted a particular value of Ayanamsa. > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Ash <kas@> wrote: > > > Dear Goel, > > > > > > I do not think you have read the link I have > > given carefully or > > there might be some mistake. > > > Krushna's ayanamsa is approximately 54 MINUTES > > less than Lahiri > > and not 57 SECONDS as you have claimed. > > > > > > Another factor to consider, this Krushna's > > ayanamsa is around and > > in the family of Krushnaji's Guruji and a part and > > parcel of KAS system. > > > The exact date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is given of > > 24th Feb 366 AD. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On > > Behalf Of gkgoel1937 > > > Thursday October 25, 2007 3:20 AM > > > > > > True Chitra > > Pakchha Ayanamsa > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > Krushna Ayanamsa is totally synonimum to Chitra > > Pakchha ayanamsa. > > > I therefore suggest , let us not introduce an > > Ayanamsa from another > > > name. this will increase the confusion.The > > difnition of chitra(Krushna) > > > Ayanamsa will be as under: > > > True Chitra Pakchha Ayanamsa = Tropical longtude > > of Star Citra(Spica- > > > 16) - 180 deg. > > > For the year 2007 Chitra AYANAMSA can be obtained > > by deducting 57 sec. > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. > > Join them now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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