Some interesting- Rama's Sister/Kausalya Horse etc

October 30, 2007

Dear Sreenadh ji

If my personal opinion can be expressed,then the test of fire etc

(Agnipareeksha) is just pointing to the preparedeness of Rama

(Maryada Purushothama) to sacrifice the pleasures arising out of

dual existence.The thought projecting as ''seperate existence is

operating in the '' prakrithi field of mind.

When the soul is prepared to sacrifice mind(represented by Sita) the

soul is infact realizing its true nature.

Th reality is when real detachment happens,the mind is no more

controlling the scene.The moment '' the real we'' within us is able

to see the flow of them from origin,mind is controlled.

When we(pradeep/sreenadh etc) try to control our emotions/mind - in

reality the ego(illusion) is trying to do that- and we do not know

from where this ego has originated and hence the problem is not

solved at root.

Thus the courage shown by Rama is an Agni Pareeksha for the Jeevatma

element.When such a detachment is followed by existence within our

own real self,one is realized and there is nothing else to be

known.But who can reach that deep?It is not an easy task.One has to

sacrifice every possession inlcuding his gross existence to Lord and

then the unperishable alone will exist.I am an ant in these subjects

and possess only a sincere desire to realize the reality.

I was fortunate to talk to Amritananda Mayi AMMA during this Pooja

days.To my question of whether sports can lead to realization,AMMA

SAID son it is through Kala(arts)..and rythm.It was a confirmation

for my random conclusions, from a Sat Guru.Thus when i had a thought

over Ammas words later on ..my conclusions are - One may experience

the ananda for a split second when one is engaged in sports during

those wonderful moments of coordination and timing ...when one

forgets himself...but the perennial ananda that one can experience

if one can unite atma and mana and hold that breath in rythmic

cycles..is only possible during perfect cycles of rythmic singing

with laya and shruthi or as demonstrated by great dancers.Sruthi as

we know is not only the heard one but also the pitch.Perfection to

that level demands sadhanas spanning janamntaras.Thus i feel sports

is an elemntary step toards perfection and flexibility of rythm at

the gross level.Nada alone can permeate and reach that our own self.

Thus i feel Ramayana has deeper and subtler meanings which we may

have to ponder.Shri Chandrahari has written an article some time

back and i am not sure if you have read those.

From another angle everyone is right.In Brihadaranyakopanishad we

can find references on various horses.These Sankalpas are the very

process of creation and evolution of tattwas results in namas and

roopas.Lord is the one without a second and as soon as a second

thought arises time and space emerges.Kausalya is identifying

herself with the macrocosmic principles of creation for a noble

creation at pindanda level.

AMMA said son when we lose our rythm the rythm of Prakrithi is

lost.When we think deeply we will get the answer.Thus from gross to

subtle all the sankalpas are from the One without a second.HE is

engaged in this Yajna and so are we as the unseperable parts of

him.The creative vibrations forgetting about the source are

jeevatmas and the one who knows is Paramatma.

Hope my views are also considered,though it can be wrong.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Keywords: Rama's Sister (and Brother in Law)

>

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> 2)

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> 3) http://hnn.us/comments/80254.html

> 4)

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> 6)

> http://weberstudies.weber.edu/archive/archive%20B%20Vol.%2011-

16.1/Vol.%2015.2/15.2Nanda.htm

> 7)

> http://content.cdlib.org/xtf/view?

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October 30, 2007

Dear Pradeep,

This is very profound and well explained. Thank you for sharing these

thoughts.

Finn

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji

>

> If my personal opinion can be expressed,then the test of fire etc

> (Agnipareeksha) is just pointing to the preparedeness of Rama

> (Maryada Purushothama) to sacrifice the pleasures arising out of

> dual existence.The thought projecting as ''seperate existence is

> operating in the '' prakrithi field of mind.

>

> When the soul is prepared to sacrifice mind(represented by Sita) the

> soul is infact realizing its true nature.

>

> Th reality is when real detachment happens,the mind is no more

> controlling the scene.The moment '' the real we'' within us is able

> to see the flow of them from origin,mind is controlled.

>

> When we(pradeep/sreenadh etc) try to control our emotions/mind - in

> reality the ego(illusion) is trying to do that- and we do not know

> from where this ego has originated and hence the problem is not

> solved at root.

>

> Thus the courage shown by Rama is an Agni Pareeksha for the Jeevatma

> element.When such a detachment is followed by existence within our

> own real self,one is realized and there is nothing else to be

> known.But who can reach that deep?It is not an easy task.One has to

> sacrifice every possession inlcuding his gross existence to Lord and

> then the unperishable alone will exist.I am an ant in these subjects

> and possess only a sincere desire to realize the reality.

>

> I was fortunate to talk to Amritananda Mayi AMMA during this Pooja

> days.To my question of whether sports can lead to realization,AMMA

> SAID son it is through Kala(arts)..and rythm.It was a confirmation

> for my random conclusions, from a Sat Guru.Thus when i had a thought

> over Ammas words later on ..my conclusions are - One may experience

> the ananda for a split second when one is engaged in sports during

> those wonderful moments of coordination and timing ...when one

> forgets himself...but the perennial ananda that one can experience

> if one can unite atma and mana and hold that breath in rythmic

> cycles..is only possible during perfect cycles of rythmic singing

> with laya and shruthi or as demonstrated by great dancers.Sruthi as

> we know is not only the heard one but also the pitch.Perfection to

> that level demands sadhanas spanning janamntaras.Thus i feel sports

> is an elemntary step toards perfection and flexibility of rythm at

> the gross level.Nada alone can permeate and reach that our own self.

>

> Thus i feel Ramayana has deeper and subtler meanings which we may

> have to ponder.Shri Chandrahari has written an article some time

> back and i am not sure if you have read those.

>

> From another angle everyone is right.In Brihadaranyakopanishad we

> can find references on various horses.These Sankalpas are the very

> process of creation and evolution of tattwas results in namas and

> roopas.Lord is the one without a second and as soon as a second

> thought arises time and space emerges.Kausalya is identifying

> herself with the macrocosmic principles of creation for a noble

> creation at pindanda level.

>

> AMMA said son when we lose our rythm the rythm of Prakrithi is

> lost.When we think deeply we will get the answer.Thus from gross to

> subtle all the sankalpas are from the One without a second.HE is

> engaged in this Yajna and so are we as the unseperable parts of

> him.The creative vibrations forgetting about the source are

> jeevatmas and the one who knows is Paramatma.

>

> Hope my views are also considered,though it can be wrong.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Keywords: Rama's Sister (and Brother in Law)

> >

> > 1) http://www.siddha.com.my/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000053-6.html

> > 2)

> http://www..com/prashanti_diary_31st_aug_26sep_07.htm

> > 3) http://hnn.us/comments/80254.html

> > 4)

> > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0003-0279(198507%2F09)105%3A3%

> 3C427%3ATVJTRA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6

> > 5)

> > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1356-1898(1927)4%3A3%3C579%3ATRII%

> 3E2.0.CO%3B2-U

> > 6)

> > http://weberstudies.weber.edu/archive/archive%20B%20Vol.%2011-

> 16.1/Vol.%2015.2/15.2Nanda.htm

> > 7)

> > http://content.cdlib.org/xtf/view?

> docId=ft5q2nb449 & doc.view=content & chunk.id=d0e234 & toc.depth=1 & anchor.

> id=0 & brand=eschol

> >

>

October 31, 2007

Dear Pradeep ji,

Good thoughts...

==>

Thus i feel Ramayana has deeper and subtler meanings which we may

have to ponder.Shri Chandrahari has written an article some time

back and i am not sure if you have read those.

<==

Yes, I am aware of those ideas - and know of the text 'Yoga

Ramayan' as well. Chandra hari and Me: In some subjects Hari usually

goes for the yogic meaning in several subjects, and usually on the

same I go for the gross; But in some other Hari expresses the gross,

and at times mentions things vaguely only and I may go for the

subtle - It is all mutually complimenting. Hari got a better

mathematical understanding of things than me - and I am usually after

the philosophical or historical. May be all my efforts to comparison

is wrong - Hari is unique in his approach and understanding and so as

me. I respect and value his efforts very much, but in situations

where I know a different approach is 'possible by me' then I go for

it. In essence the purpose is - everything should help us to build

the whole picture reflecting the truth or actual situation or

realities. At times we intentionally take an argumentative stand,

providing opposing arguments, even though our actual opinion may

differ; and at times with the flow we provide our actual opinions. It

is all just part of the search and beneficiaries - later generations.

Hope this helps.

Note: I agree with Amma's words - rhythm is at the base of the

experience of union - the rhythm that is indistinguishable from live

motionlessness.

Love,

Sreenadh