To Sreeramji

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeramji,

 

" Example : We have Mr. Astro who postrates to the skill of Durga,

then

raises back to challenge with a query in his next postings......!!

What a paradim shift !! "

 

No 'paradigm' shift if you have properly understood what I meant. I

recap what Pradeepji said, if Durgaji had made her readings

upholding the truth, I too whole heartedly appreciate her. But

otherwise, time will prove the truth.

 

Regards,

Astro

 

 

 

, " Sre_eram "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Now the Quiz is over and we are required to march on than look

back and

> get into a windows software type " Hang " . While we decide to march

on,

> would request Mr. Razdan, Mr. Astro 2345 to stop challenging the

quiz

> responders and the toper with personal riders, which do not serve

any

> person. Kindly try to hold back your own emotions to that effect

in

> respect.

>

> Mr. Kuchibhotla Subrahmanyam, you should be knowing that people

who

> predictl by hearing the voice or...etc.... such sciences are

beyond

> astrology and hence, we may stop here itself for in this group we

are

> talking of ancient but true hindu astrology, and not about

siddhis. I

> know how such things are foretold....and the associated siddhis,

which

> are a result of certain spiritual practise. However, if used

beyond

> their limits, the soul practising it, fall from the grace to a

level

> difficult to imagine.......even by imagination.

>

> There is a person in Mumbai i.e. Maharshi Karve a simple person,

who

> practises this with great humbleness and maintains the true

tradition.

> I know how to reach him through my good friends, however, I know

for

> sure, when revealed in public without exercising some levels of

> discretion would surely see a sea of people rushing to this

gentlemen

> .....

>

> Kindly post only those details of the person {genuine holy people}

where

> the details are known beyond any doubt, we may not be taking it as

a

> Quiz or Blind Chart each time, but for some other astro_purpose to

> explore the reasons of such siddhis or small divinity in a person

>

> I am little sceptical, while I encourage you to share the birth

data,

> for I know for sure, there will be many waiting to post some birth

data

> claiming some uniqueness in it.....

>

> Example : We have Mr. Astro who postrates to the skill of Durga,

then

> raises back to challenge with a query in his next

postings......!!

> What a paradim shift !!

>

> with regards,

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

>

>

>

> , kuchibhotla

> subrahmanyam k_subrahmanyam60100@> wrote:

>

> dear Sreenadhji,

> i am following all the postings regarding astrology. the

blind chart

> reading -Quiz gave much response and revealed that some

persons are

> there to give correct predictions.i have seen some who by seeing

the

> face or listening the voice or by knowing the revealed name

> from a person by phone could tell all about the future without

even

> going for horoscopes.one such person is in the place where i

> live.shall i post his birth

> details as blind chart reading?ofcourse ,it is only for better

> understanding of the horoscpe reading.

> regards,

> subrahmanyam

>

[Guest guest]

First accept Durga's correctness. If Durga has erred, then it would

automatically surface some time later, do not harp on proving

it....etc.. This issue is getting stretched too far, kindly wait for

your opportune, while we proceed ahead.....You may have very good

intentions, but we get have drag on a non issue to make an issue.

 

sreeram srinivas

 

 

, " astro_2345 "

<astro_2345 wrote:

 

Dear Sreeramji,

 

" Example : We have Mr. Astro who postrates to the skill of Durga,

then

raises back to challenge with a query in his next postings......!!

What a paradim shift !! "

 

No 'paradigm' shift if you have properly understood what I meant. I

recap what Pradeepji said, if Durgaji had made her readings

upholding the truth, I too whole heartedly appreciate her. But

otherwise, time will prove the truth.

 

Regards,

Astro

[Guest guest]

Razdanji,* there is no gag order on members. Posts by you and your friend the astro are ruining members time without any fruitful discussions* I have seen your chart and chain mails on it in almost every other astro group. In one group you lost your temper when an astrologer presented his analysis about your longevity. I am sure all members in all groups are tired of seeing your horoscope....Atleast I am.* Durgaji has done a brilliant analysis (Like loss of marriage as 7H Lord is in 12H) etc. Read her mail 3-4 times and see the inner meaning in that. No one types entire analysis in a mail. It is upto the reader to use his intelligence to understand and not expect 100% spoonfeedingRegardsKiranpnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote: Dear Mr Sreeram and Sreenadh, Putting a gag order on people who try to ask questions is not being fair to members. Do we want a total allegiance to the view points of moderators or do we encourage civilised debate and questioning. We seem to have come to a crucial point in this debate where we have to choose between totalitarianism and democratic discussion. If some body is asking Durgaji to explain how she reached the right conclusion, do we have to call this pestering? For example I would like to know how she came to the conclusion of the accident in the quiz merely on the basis of the placement of Mars, the karaka for accidents (it is karaka for many things) in the rashi chart. How does she vouchsafe for the

timing, when she doesnt refer to either the dasa or the transit. An explanation from her on this point would be greatly beneficial to all others particularly those who are learning astrology. Why is this being discouraged and a hush hush attitude adopted by repeating advice to change the topic. This mystery only increases the doubt expressed by Astro.And Durgaji for no reason is becoming an unnecessary scapegoat. I had referred to my chart only because there has been no convincing explanation so far on the problem that occurred on 1st Sept. My purpose in doing so is to get something knowledgeble from Durga for benefit of others and not my own benefit. I have no interest in my chart after the event has passed off. Regards, P.N.Razdan , "astro_2345" <astro_2345

wrote: > > Dear Sreeramji, > > "Example : We have Mr. Astro who postrates to the skill of Durga, > then > raises back to challenge with a query in his next postings......!! > What a paradim shift !!" > > No 'paradigm' shift if you have properly understood what I meant. I > recap what Pradeepji said, if Durgaji had made her readings > upholding the truth, I too whole heartedly appreciate her. But > otherwise, time will prove the truth. > > Regards, > Astro > > > > , "Sre_eram" > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > Now the Quiz is over and we are required to march on than look > back and > > get into a windows software type "Hang". While we

decide to march > on, > > would request Mr. Razdan, Mr. Astro 2345 to stop challenging the > quiz > > responders and the toper with personal riders, which do not serve > any > > person. Kindly try to hold back your own emotions to that effect > in > > respect. > > > > Mr. Kuchibhotla Subrahmanyam, you should be knowing that people > who > > predictl by hearing the voice or...etc.... such sciences are > beyond > > astrology and hence, we may stop here itself for in this group we > are > > talking of ancient but true hindu astrology, and not about > siddhis. I > > know how such things are foretold....and the associated siddhis, > which > > are a result of certain spiritual practise. However, if used > beyond > > their limits, the soul practising it, fall from the

grace to a > level > > difficult to imagine.......even by imagination. > > > > There is a person in Mumbai i.e. Maharshi Karve a simple person, > who > > practises this with great humbleness and maintains the true > tradition. > > I know how to reach him through my good friends, however, I know > for > > sure, when revealed in public without exercising some levels of > > discretion would surely see a sea of people rushing to this > gentlemen > > ..... > > > > Kindly post only those details of the person {genuine holy people} > where > > the details are known beyond any doubt, we may not be taking it as > a > > Quiz or Blind Chart each time, but for some other astro_purpose to > > explore the reasons of such siddhis or small divinity in a person > > > > I am

little sceptical, while I encourage you to share the birth > data, > > for I know for sure, there will be many waiting to post some birth > data > > claiming some uniqueness in it..... > > > > Example : We have Mr. Astro who postrates to the skill of Durga, > then > > raises back to challenge with a query in his next > postings......!! > > What a paradim shift !! > > > > with regards, > > > > sreeram srinivas > > > > > > > > > > , kuchibhotla > > subrahmanyam k_subrahmanyam60100@> wrote: > > > > dear Sreenadhji, > > i am following all the postings regarding astrology. the > blind chart

> > reading -Quiz gave much response and revealed that some > persons are > > there to give correct predictions.i have seen some who by seeing > the > > face or listening the voice or by knowing the revealed name > > from a person by phone could tell all about the future without > even > > going for horoscopes.one such person is in the place where i > > live.shall i post his birth > > details as blind chart reading?ofcourse ,it is only for better > > understanding of the horoscpe reading. > > regards, > > subrahmanyam > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Razdan ji,

==>

> If some body is asking Durgaji to explain how she reached the right

> conclusion, do we have to call this pestering?

<==

You are mixing 2 points -

* How Durga ji reached her conclusions is explained in her message

it self. Therefore no intelligent and true student of astrology will

ask her to give a total proof or total class. Being NOT A PAID CLASS

ROOM but only a discussion group for friends interested in the same

subject, NO ONE have the right to FORECE her.

* As of pestering - you free chart reading request (about heart

attack), and astro submission of a chart known ONLY TO HIM, can be

termed nothing but PESTERING.

==>

> For example I would like to know how she came to the conclusion of

> the accident in the quiz merely on the basis of the placement of

> Mars, the karaka for accidents (it is karaka for many things) in

> the rashi chart.

<==

Be decent and ask with humility LATER. But the first thing is

accepting her sincere reading and welcoming her as a sincere member

to the group and appreciating her heard earned knowledge.

==>

> An explanation from her on this point would be greatly

> beneficial to all others particularly those who are learning

> astrology.

<==

I agree but humiliating her to the point where she has to make a

statement such as - " I hope I didn't land in the wrong place . I

still can't make out the reason why you are taking the cudgel

against me " is NOT AT ALL decent.

==>

> Why is this being discouraged and a hush hush attitude

> adopted by repeating advice to change the topic.

<==

There is not hush hushing the topic. But I disagree to further

disclosing of the chart details (even durga continue reading it.. to

be true... because she is very good at it..) since that will end up

in disclosing the identity of the native itself - which I don't want.

I only submitted the chart, and I am oblidged to hide the identity

of the chart ower - even though many in the group already know to who

the chart belongs. Actually I have an almost fear for the sharpness

of her readings - especially regarding that chart. The chart owner is

very popular and well known and if the dicussion continues the name

will get revealed - which for sure I don't want, as I have no right

to streach things up to that end.

Hope it is clear.

Regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " pnrazdan "

<pnrazdan wrote:

>

> Dear Mr Sreeram and Sreenadh,

> Putting a gag order on people who try to ask questions is not being

> fair to members. Do we want a total allegiance to the view points of

> moderators or do we encourage civilised debate and questioning. We

> seem to have come to a crucial point in this debate where we have to

> choose between totalitarianism and democratic discussion.

> If some body is asking Durgaji to explain how she reached the right

> conclusion, do we have to call this pestering? For example I would

> like to know how she came to the conclusion of the accident in the

> quiz merely on the basis of the placement of Mars, the karaka for

> accidents (it is karaka for many things) in the rashi chart. How

does

> she vouchsafe for the timing, when she doesnt refer to either the

dasa

> or the transit. An explanation from her on this point would be

greatly

> beneficial to all others particularly those who are learning

> astrology. Why is this being discouraged and a hush hush attitude

> adopted by repeating advice to change the topic. This mystery only

> increases the doubt expressed by Astro.And Durgaji for no reason is

> becoming an unnecessary scapegoat.

> I had referred to my chart only because there has been no convincing

> explanation so far on the problem that occurred on 1st Sept. My

> purpose in doing so is to get something knowledgeble from Durga for

> benefit of others and not my own benefit. I have no interest in my

> chart after the event has passed off.

> Regards,

> P.N.Razdan

>

>

> , " astro_2345 "

> <astro_2345@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreeramji,

> >

> > " Example : We have Mr. Astro who postrates to the skill of Durga,

> > then

> > raises back to challenge with a query in his next postings......!!

> > What a paradim shift !! "

> >

> > No 'paradigm' shift if you have properly understood what I meant.

I

> > recap what Pradeepji said, if Durgaji had made her readings

> > upholding the truth, I too whole heartedly appreciate her. But

> > otherwise, time will prove the truth.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Astro

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sre_eram "

> > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Now the Quiz is over and we are required to march on than look

> > back and

> > > get into a windows software type " Hang " . While we decide to

march

> > on,

> > > would request Mr. Razdan, Mr. Astro 2345 to stop challenging

the

> > quiz

> > > responders and the toper with personal riders, which do not

serve

> > any

> > > person. Kindly try to hold back your own emotions to that

effect

> > in

> > > respect.

> > >

> > > Mr. Kuchibhotla Subrahmanyam, you should be knowing that

people

> > who

> > > predictl by hearing the voice or...etc.... such sciences are

> > beyond

> > > astrology and hence, we may stop here itself for in this group

we

> > are

> > > talking of ancient but true hindu astrology, and not about

> > siddhis. I

> > > know how such things are foretold....and the associated

siddhis,

> > which

> > > are a result of certain spiritual practise. However, if used

> > beyond

> > > their limits, the soul practising it, fall from the grace to a

> > level

> > > difficult to imagine.......even by imagination.

> > >

> > > There is a person in Mumbai i.e. Maharshi Karve a simple

person,

> > who

> > > practises this with great humbleness and maintains the true

> > tradition.

> > > I know how to reach him through my good friends, however, I

know

> > for

> > > sure, when revealed in public without exercising some levels of

> > > discretion would surely see a sea of people rushing to this

> > gentlemen

> > > .....

> > >

> > > Kindly post only those details of the person {genuine holy

people}

> > where

> > > the details are known beyond any doubt, we may not be taking it

as

> > a

> > > Quiz or Blind Chart each time, but for some other astro_purpose

to

> > > explore the reasons of such siddhis or small divinity in a

person

> > >

> > > I am little sceptical, while I encourage you to share the birth

> > data,

> > > for I know for sure, there will be many waiting to post some

birth

> > data

> > > claiming some uniqueness in it.....

> > >

> > > Example : We have Mr. Astro who postrates to the skill of

Durga,

> > then

> > > raises back to challenge with a query in his next

> > postings......!!

> > > What a paradim shift !!

> > >

> > > with regards,

> > >

> > > sreeram srinivas

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , kuchibhotla

> > > subrahmanyam k_subrahmanyam60100@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear Sreenadhji,

> > > i am following all the postings regarding astrology. the

> > blind chart

> > > reading -Quiz gave much response and revealed that some

> > persons are

> > > there to give correct predictions.i have seen some who by

seeing

> > the

> > > face or listening the voice or by knowing the revealed name

> > > from a person by phone could tell all about the future

without

> > even

> > > going for horoscopes.one such person is in the place where i

> > > live.shall i post his birth

> > > details as blind chart reading?ofcourse ,it is only for better

> > > understanding of the horoscpe reading.

> > > regards,

> > > subrahmanyam

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Such astro_logical doubts if any should have been asked prior to the facts being revealed. There was sufficient time in between to query Durga and now the issue is closed NO point in raking it up. For example, subsequent to my own posting on the quiz, when I saw/read other members analysis, I tried to reason myself again using some points of Mr. Shashi... and referred in my posting. I even mentioned encouraging members to do some cross consultation i.e. exchange of analysis between members - {saying it is- allowed} to sustain interest of people, allowing members to change their analysis in between, {before facts are revealed}. No body utilized the opportunity then, why crib about it now ?

There is no gag order, nor any hush-hus attitude, if really interested you may have offline exchange with Durga to get those answers. We in this group are first trusting that the analysis is made in right perspective & honesty. Truth always reveals, falsehood if any will automatically surfaces by itself, truth will stand the test of time, falsehood stumbles at its first step. To my knowledge the identity in this case is rightfully kept confidential and NO one had any prior knowledge of the native, those who knew were vocal in their judgement in NOT participating - true to their gentleman manners. Example- Pradeep & Madhu Nair declined to participate. Maintain your own independent thinking , than to get vitiated into other's thinking like astro2345 (AT) (DOT) ... Ceasar's wife should be above suspicion !! goes the saying......

We know what happened in other groups and hence maintained a steady distance & ensured NO leaks, and intend to maintain the same dignified protocols in future also.

I still do not know if Durga is He or She.....if Durga is interested to share the detailed minute analysis that went into the prediction, Durga will share, why coax them into giving ?? To my knowledge this is the first quiz...there will many in future..{hope so}...so why judge and try to drag somebody into submission for success in a first quiz....

If you still interested, kindly do get into touch with Durga.....offline.....

with regards,

sreeram srinivas

, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote: Dear Mr Sreeram and Sreenadh, Putting a gag order on people who try to ask questions is not being fair to members. Do we want a total allegiance to the view points of moderators or do we encourage civilised debate and questioning. We seem to have come to a crucial point in this debate where we have to choose between totalitarianism and democratic discussion. If some body is asking Durgaji to explain how she reached the right conclusion, do we have to call this pestering? For example I would like to know how she came to the conclusion of the accident in the quiz merely on the basis of the placement of Mars, the karaka for accidents (it is karaka for many things) in the rashi chart. How does she vouchsafe for the timing, when she doesnt refer to either the dasa or the transit. An explanation from her on this point would be greatly beneficial to all others particularly those who are learning astrology. Why is this being discouraged and a hush hush attitude adopted by repeating advice to change the topic. This mystery only increases the doubt expressed by Astro.And Durgaji for no reason is becoming an unnecessary scapegoat. I had referred to my chart only because there has been no convincing explanation so far on the problem that occurred on 1st Sept. My purpose in doing so is to get something knowledgeble from Durga for benefit of others and not my own benefit. I have no interest in my chart after the event has passed off. Regards, P.N.Razdan

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeramji,

 

I do not 'own' a huge data bank as you think. I am not a professional

astrologer to keep track of these things. But since I am interested

in astrology as a subject that shed light on an individual's life and

future, I do have a curiosity to look at my friends',colleagues' and

relatives'charts if they are willing to share their birth details. In

that way, I have seen a few charts, divorce cases too. If you want a

statistics, I would say 7 out of 10 divorce charts showed 7th lord in

12th, not taking into account other factors. Actually, I was amazed

to find the similarity. You can also check and see, if you know any

divorcees. But actually I was amazed to find the smililarity of

positions.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Jyotiben,

>

> Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your

> permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords

improve

> the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going

into

> this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai traffic

jams.

> Now your experience of your observations in divorce cases, 7HL

going to

> 12H does has its share of reasons for separation i.e. 7H- kama

bhava

> lord going to 12H- a moksha & " vyaya " and is 6H from 7H....so

> controversies galore !!

>

> 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard work

> THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or

satisfactory.

> Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL is getting

to 8H,

> then indicates more of spiritual nature/developments. Same holds

good

> for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have left out public favorite Vipareet

Raja

> Yogas,....etc.}. The HL going to 11H from itself always enhances

or

> strengthens its bhava - is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is

very

> good for longevity. []

>

> Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those respective

> charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know

from

> your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or

she},

> taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going to 12H

> means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for

divorce -

> when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then simply give

some

> statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in industry

> {gues-timate} [(:|]

>

> I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !! [:>]

>

> It would be great to learn from your experiences.

>

>

>

>

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

known

> so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

> would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th

is

> the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it

> only the 12th house?

>

> In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

> common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can

> be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

> life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not

> happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here;

> Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> unless other wise forced by situation.)

> I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

exalted

> in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

> her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

> see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

> not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

> know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

> the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least

> that is what I have seen.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyotiben,

 

I am also a serious hobbyist like you with same curiosity. I am

curiously waiting for your response on whether the divorce decision

....etc.. is initiated by 7H or LL !!!

 

Example - If LL is HE, then 7H is SHE. So took the initiative to go

for divorce...LL or 7H...

 

with regards,

 

sreeram srinivas

 

 

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

>

> Dear Sreeramji,

>

> I do not 'own' a huge data bank as you think. I am not a professional

> astrologer to keep track of these things. But since I am interested

> in astrology as a subject that shed light on an individual's life and

> future, I do have a curiosity to look at my friends',colleagues' and

> relatives'charts if they are willing to share their birth details. In

> that way, I have seen a few charts, divorce cases too. If you want a

> statistics, I would say 7 out of 10 divorce charts showed 7th lord in

> 12th, not taking into account other factors. Actually, I was amazed

> to find the similarity. You can also check and see, if you know any

> divorcees. But actually I was amazed to find the smililarity of

> positions.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

>

> , " sreeram srinivas "

> sreeram64@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Jyotiben,

> >

> > Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your

> > permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords

> improve

> > the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going

> into

> > this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai traffic

> jams.

> > Now your experience of your observations in divorce cases, 7HL

> going to

> > 12H does has its share of reasons for separation i.e. 7H- kama

> bhava

> > lord going to 12H- a moksha & " vyaya " and is 6H from 7H....so

> > controversies galore !!

> >

> > 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard work

> > THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or

> satisfactory.

> > Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL is getting

> to 8H,

> > then indicates more of spiritual nature/developments. Same holds

> good

> > for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have left out public favorite Vipareet

> Raja

> > Yogas,....etc.}. The HL going to 11H from itself always enhances

> or

> > strengthens its bhava - is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is

> very

> > good for longevity. []

> >

> > Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those respective

> > charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know

> from

> > your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or

> she},

> > taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going to 12H

> > means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for

> divorce -

> > when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then simply give

> some

> > statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in industry

> > {gues-timate} [(:|]

> >

> > I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !! [:>]

> >

> > It would be great to learn from your experiences.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

> known

> > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

> > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th

> is

> > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it

> > only the 12th house?

> >

> > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

> > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can

> > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

> > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not

> > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here;

> > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> > unless other wise forced by situation.)

> > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

> exalted

> > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

> > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

> > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

> > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

> > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

> > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least

> > that is what I have seen.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeramji,

 

I am not clear of the question you asked. If you want to know who

took the first step, the girl herself(But in her chart, if my memory

is correct, 7th lord was not in 12th). I am not sure who initiated in

other cases. When the girl whom I know was looking for remarriage,

she used to show me the charts of divorced guys that were sent to her

father by guys who were interested, and that is how I got an

opportunity to see more charts of divorcees. If you ask me who

initiated in their cases, I dont have any clue because I dont even

know them. But I remember in most of their charts 7th lord was in

12th. I remember this very well because it was really interesting to

see the similarity of position. But I must also say, there were a few

charts which I thought were very good and wondered what might be the

reason for divorce too, because I couldnt find any reason from their

chart that indicated a divorce. But that can be due to my lack of

indpeth knowledge in astrology and lack of skill to interpret a

chart.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Jyotiben,

>

> I am also a serious hobbyist like you with same curiosity. I am

> curiously waiting for your response on whether the divorce decision

> ...etc.. is initiated by 7H or LL !!!

>

> Example - If LL is HE, then 7H is SHE. So took the initiative to

go

> for divorce...LL or 7H...

>

> with regards,

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

>

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreeramji,

> >

> > I do not 'own' a huge data bank as you think. I am not a

professional

> > astrologer to keep track of these things. But since I am

interested

> > in astrology as a subject that shed light on an individual's life

and

> > future, I do have a curiosity to look at my friends',colleagues'

and

> > relatives'charts if they are willing to share their birth

details. In

> > that way, I have seen a few charts, divorce cases too. If you

want a

> > statistics, I would say 7 out of 10 divorce charts showed 7th

lord in

> > 12th, not taking into account other factors. Actually, I was

amazed

> > to find the similarity. You can also check and see, if you know

any

> > divorcees. But actually I was amazed to find the smililarity of

> > positions.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> > , " sreeram

srinivas "

> > sreeram64@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotiben,

> > >

> > > Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your

> > > permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords

> > improve

> > > the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going

> > into

> > > this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai

traffic

> > jams.

> > > Now your experience of your observations in divorce cases, 7HL

> > going to

> > > 12H does has its share of reasons for separation i.e. 7H- kama

> > bhava

> > > lord going to 12H- a moksha & " vyaya " and is 6H from 7H....so

> > > controversies galore !!

> > >

> > > 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard

work

> > > THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or

> > satisfactory.

> > > Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL is getting

> > to 8H,

> > > then indicates more of spiritual nature/developments. Same holds

> > good

> > > for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have left out public favorite Vipareet

> > Raja

> > > Yogas,....etc.}. The HL going to 11H from itself always enhances

> > or

> > > strengthens its bhava - is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is

> > very

> > > good for longevity. []

> > >

> > > Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those

respective

> > > charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know

> > from

> > > your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or

> > she},

> > > taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going to

12H

> > > means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for

> > divorce -

> > > when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then simply give

> > some

> > > statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in industry

> > > {gues-timate} [(:|]

> > >

> > > I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !! [:>]

> > >

> > > It would be great to learn from your experiences.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

> > known

> > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its

lord. I

> > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say

12th

> > is

> > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or

is it

> > > only the 12th house?

> > >

> > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them

one

> > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th.

(There can

> > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good

conjugal

> > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is

it not

> > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house

here;

> > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> > > unless other wise forced by situation.)

> > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

> > exalted

> > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced.

But

> > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she

cannot

> > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that

I am

> > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts

I

> > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house

owned by

> > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At

least

> > > that is what I have seen.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

12th house is Vyaysthan and it is 6th ( rog, hrun, shatru ) from the 7th. If there is no divorce, there can be long spells of seperation ( spouse works overseas ) or loss due to ailment, or incompatibility and detachment. 12th house is also house of overseas besides sleep comforts.

Thanks & Regards.--- On Fri, 14/12/07, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi Re: To Sreeramji Date: Friday, 14 December, 2007, 5:04 PM

 

 

Dear Sreeramji,I am not clear of the question you asked. If you want to know who took the first step, the girl herself(But in her chart, if my memory is correct, 7th lord was not in 12th). I am not sure who initiated in other cases. When the girl whom I know was looking for remarriage, she used to show me the charts of divorced guys that were sent to her father by guys who were interested, and that is how I got an opportunity to see more charts of divorcees. If you ask me who initiated in their cases, I dont have any clue because I dont even know them.. But I remember in most of their charts 7th lord was in 12th. I remember this very well because it was really interesting to see the similarity of position. But I must also say, there were a few charts which I thought were very good and wondered what might be the reason for divorce too, because I couldnt find any reason from their chart that

indicated a divorce. But that can be due to my lack of indpeth knowledge in astrology and lack of skill to interpret a chart. Regards,Jyothi ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64@. ..> wrote:>> > Dear Jyotiben,> > I am also a serious hobbyist like you with same curiosity. I am> curiously waiting for your response on whether the divorce decision> ...etc.. is initiated by 7H or LL !!!> > Example - If LL is HE, then 7H is SHE. So took the initiative to go> for divorce...LL or 7H...> > with regards,> > sreeram srinivas> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

"jyothi_b_lakshmi"> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sreeramji,> >> > I do not 'own' a huge data bank as you think. I am not a professional> > astrologer to keep track of these things. But since I am interested> > in astrology as a subject that shed light on an individual's life and> > future, I do have a curiosity to look at my friends',colleagues ' and> > relatives'charts if they are willing to share their birth details. In> > that way, I have seen a few charts, divorce cases too. If you want a> > statistics, I would say 7 out of 10 divorce charts showed 7th lord in> > 12th, not taking into account other factors. Actually, I was amazed> > to find the similarity. You can also check and see, if you know any> > divorcees. But actually I was amazed to find the smililarity

of> > positions.> >> > Regards,> > Jyothi> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas"> > sreeram64@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Jyotiben,> > >> > > Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your> > > permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords> > improve> > > the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going> > into> > > this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai traffic> > jams.> > > Now your experience of your observations in divorce cases, 7HL> > going to> > > 12H does has its share of reasons for separation

i.e. 7H- kama> > bhava> > > lord going to 12H- a moksha & "vyaya" and is 6H from 7H....so> > > controversies galore !!> > >> > > 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard work> > > THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or> > satisfactory.> > > Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL is getting> > to 8H,> > > then indicates more of spiritual nature/developments . Same holds> > good> > > for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have left out public favorite Vipareet> > Raja> > > Yogas,....etc. }. The HL going to 11H from itself always enhances> > or> > > strengthens its bhava - is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is> > very> > > good for longevity. []> > >> > > Surely there may be

other factors for divorce in those respective> > > charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know> > from> > > your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or> > she},> > > taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going to 12H> > > means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for> > divorce -> > > when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then simply give> > some> > > statistics.. ..i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in industry> > > {gues-timate} [(:|]> > >> > > I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !! [:>]> > >> > > It would be great to learn from your experiences.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ash,> > >> > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have> > known> > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I> > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th> > is> > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it> > > only the 12th house?> > >> > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For> > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one> > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There

can> > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So> > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal> > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not> > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here;> > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),> > > unless other wise forced by situation.)> > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon> > exalted> > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But> > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot> > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am> > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I> >

> know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by> > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least> > > that is what I have seen.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Jyothi> > >> >>

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Dear Sreeramji,

 

Who has cribbed and on what??? It seems you misundertood what I said.

 

I was just agreeing to Ashji's opinion that inspite of digging up

and trying to decipher we will not be able to succeed, or taking up

Pythagorus nobody can possess the 'complete knowledge' as long as

one gets spiritual illumination.

 

Just as you all are inteterested in this divine science, I m also

interested. And I respect it too. But that doesnt mean, I can claim

I can know everything about this science. Right? I was just pointing

to our limitations (and moreover to the vainness of the arguments

over different systems:). I donno why and how you missed the point

and looked it in a different perspective.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Jyotiben & other Members,

>

> Our seers had definite reasons in ensuring that the crypted slokas

does

> not fall in wrong hands...and only those who have the " harhatha "

> {deserving people/students} should that secrets be

revealed.......Why go

> to that extent...we have our George W. Bush after North Korea,

Pakistan

> & Iran for safeguarding the N-Secrets....which they themselves

revealed

> now running against time & energy to safe guard and control

them. Is

> it they are learning or we are learning from them ?? So

appreciate we

> have better examples in our own scriputres than theirs.....

>

> Our sanskara says, believe the sages / saints / seers....., do not

> blindly apply western logics of science...to know... &

query..them....for

> it is written in our scriptures...when time dawns.....secrets

would be

> revealed....till then toil....but never lose the confidence or

faith in

> them.....

>

> To question the seers statements in slokas, is about ignorance of

its

> application or understanding of them....by US {us = we all - not

United

> States of America}!!! So we are to blame ourselves....

>

> Some people have got the knowledge given to them in a gift wrap,

for

> others it is only after toiling.......so it is easy to comment on

those

> toiling...for it is the simplest thing to do.....go through the

Yaksha

> Prasnas.......

>

> If astro_knowledge & everything is so " plain white " .....then surely

> people would not be earning their $ 100 fee...{or more....} they

> currently enjoy !!

>

> Get knowledge free....but to give the benefit of knowledge you

charge

> !!!

>

> Here in this group, we did not get it freely......but still giving

free

> to you all.....to best of our abilities....so why crib over it ??

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

>

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Somewhere my frequency matches with yours:)

> Your quote:

>

> " Also one more thought and this is on a tangent, but since its come

> to my mind, I will note it down. Has it occurred to anyone that

> maybe our Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full knowledge?

> Have full knowledge, would mean having absolute power and absolute

> power will corrupt.

> Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the

world,

> with some knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or

> Yavans, some hidden in the Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc

> etc.

> Only the big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really

> wanted and the actual reason why the medium of instruction was only

> verbal, why is all this knowledge dispersed, and why the texts were

> destroyed etc etc.

> "

>

> The Great Almighty knows that human beings may become bhasmasuras

if

> granted all the power:)

>

> Recently I happened to read some aphorisms of Pythagorus which I

feel

> > will be appropriate to recollect in this context: (Producing

only a

> few that is relevant here:)

> I. Govern your tongue before all other things, following the

gods.

> Meaning: This aphorism warns man that his words, instead of

> representing him(God), misrepresent him, and that when in doubt as

to

> what he should say, he should always be silent.

> 2. Speak not about Pythagoric concerns without light.

> Meaning: The world is herein warned that it should not attempt to

> interpret the mysteries of God and the secrets of the sciences

> without spiritual and intellectual illumination. (I will emphasize

> this:)

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyoti,

I am addressing the subject in general, nothing against a person or thing, though my addressing might have made it, directed towards you......kindly notice...I also mentioned other members.....so there is no mis-understanding.....my postings are always focussed on the subject rather than individuals.....for there is no personal thing in discussion.....!!

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:>> Dear Sreeramji,> > Who has cribbed and on what??? It seems you misundertood what I said.> > I was just agreeing to Ashji's opinion that inspite of digging up > and trying to decipher we will not be able to succeed, or taking up > Pythagorus nobody can possess the 'complete knowledge' as long as > one gets spiritual illumination. > > Just as you all are inteterested in this divine science, I m also > interested. And I respect it too. But that doesnt mean, I can claim > I can know everything about this science. Right? I was just pointing > to our limitations (and moreover to the vainness of the arguments > over different systems:). I donno why and how you missed the point > and looked it in a different perspective.> > Regards,> Jyothi

[Guest guest]

I tried to give my squirrel bit..but the authenticity of my

knowledge (or the knowledge of authors whose books I read to learn

this science) was questioned..so how can I share my bit?? )So now

I share my knowledge offline to whoever asks me:)

 

Not everybody can read the originals. Especially people like me who

dont know sanskrit. That doesnt mean only people who read and

interepret the originals are right and great. The translators who

took pains to translate the text were also great and sincere. It is

not fair to think that the efforts of the current few are only great

just because they read the originals. Everybody tries to learn their

best in their own ways. But they may not be standing on the roof top

and shouting it loud to let others know about it. Nobody is pooh-

poohing anybody's knowledge, so long, I havent done so. What I dont

undertsand is you all suddenly become so sensitive when some body

tries to voice their opinion which may seem opposite to yours(the

group you call as " we " ), but why not realise that other members are

as sensitive as well??

Sreeramji, I didnt mean any offence, but just said a fact:)

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I think the discussion is going tangential.......even should we

have the

> right lessons in plain english, then why so many examples are

required

> to make them more understanding....?? further new doubts keep

coming up

> in its application....??!!

>

> So questioning the authencity of slokas is misplaced....for those

not

> having prior knowledgeable of Indian History, should first

understand &

> appreciate that Indian scholars NEVER relied on writing down their

> knowledge as westerners do......for our ancient seers understood,

such

> documents would not survive the time.....one flood or

calamity...would

> destroy so many things....instead our sages have relied

to " ERECT " a

> living scholar worthy enough to answer all those queries....

>

> Example: Sri Adi Shankaracharya saw his disciple writting down

some

> slokas, to which he politely told him NOT required.....but he

> continued.....after completion the disciple presented to him for

> review..etc...Sri Shankaracharya....went through that entire

> script....gave it back to him...with some advice.....a week

later....the

> entire script got washed away in a river flood.....the disciple was

> depressed....seeing him.....Sri Shankaracharya....reproduced the

entire

> script from his memory.....to the surprise of his

disciple.....later

> became a classic.....do not remember the disciple name could be

Sri

> Padmapada......or the " sanskrit slokas " book

> name.... " Panchapadika " ...will post it the name correctly....it had

1000

> verses....

>

> Each Sage / Saint/ Guru used to choose his successor and would

train him

> in every aspect including regulating the thoughts....this is what

is

> called Parampara.....{ NOT father/son relations as it happens in

> astrology circles....for this relation is born out of selfish

> desire...where the son irrespective of his worthy credentials is

> given....such parampara can be maximum called Inheritance...cannot

be

> equated to concept of Parampara}....for the original concept is to

> choose the best worthy successor..i.e. Guru is to select the best

> amongst all his pupils.....

>

> It is natural that with changing society, some of the slokas

might have

> undergone a transformation.....yet the original essence is

retained.

>

> Example: In mythology Mahabharat - Princess Draupadi is supposed

to be

> insulted in the court of Emperor Dhritarastra.....in good olds

days,

> Women being called to " Male " dominated courts were itself a insult,

> {there are countries, where during monthly biological cycles in

women -

> they are officially permitted to take leave from 1-3 days without

asking

> approvals},.... so calling them during that biological cycles..is

also

> an insult.....with change of society....it became a issue of

> " dis-robing " .....may be later tomorrow somebody will change to

> " raped " ....etc.., but the centre of the fact is - she was

insulted, this

> event is mis-represented and mis-communicated....but not

deleted.....!!!

>

> Western societies in terms of their advancement in their regions

i.e.

> Society.....how cruel they can be .....could be seen during the

> Yugloslavian, Iraq, Vietnam, Australia {for their touch of rasicm

in

> sports - cricket...recent news...} conflicts....i.e. Serbia,

Kosovo,

> Croatia..etc.. Yes, they are all advanced. The rejected

Princess of

> UK {name I forgot...i.e. Ex. Daughter -In-Law of Queen Elizabeth}

found

> solace in Bangalore !! by her own admission.....for our hindu

society

> has still the resilence to absorb anyone......

>

> If someone has done an exercise of collecting rare slokas, why

> pooh-phooh it even before reading it ??

>

> Saints & Sages have come and gone, but none disputed the vedas.

To

> expect each seer to write a book on every known matter would be an

> far-fetched....to expect... two scholars to be in same frame of

mind

> would be a illogical......then extending this logic to existing

> religions, when everybody agrees God is one, but why we need to

erect

> this invisible walls of religion ??

>

> Saints & Sages, have written things in different perspectives and

the

> meanings accordingly differ......because of their respective " Time

> Stamps " it is for each one of us to understand and appreciate

it....its

> meanings or differences.....

>

> So in the name of science & evidence.......do not hold the reality

> unfolding.......give your bit.....

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lakshmi ji, I have a simple question - Are we here to study together or to phoo-phoo? Who ever that be. Original or no original it is the worthy contribution that matters and not gossiping and endless arguments - most individuals who approach this subject with enough seriousness may get tired of it easily - and that is why in many other groups a vacuum with almost no worthy post coming up for days together. I don't think we are here to prove that something is right and something else is wrong; but instead simply to learn, understand and discuss ancient indian astrology - know that everyone is students here and therefore never expect any unmistaking masters here. Also note that the group is to discuss AIA, even though we don't have anything against other systems.Note: If the time wasted in argumentation is used productively AKK could have completly many worthy books and improved his understanding much by now. The rivers that flow through when bombared with numerous pebbles loses its force; so anyone who want to do something creative and find time for self study should avoid too much classhes and argumentation - the point is 'why waste our energy?'; 'why can't we use it for more creative purposes?'. Other similar qustions could be - 'Why we always expect things from others?'; 'Why can't we do it ourselves?'; and so on. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:>> I tried to give my squirrel bit..but the authenticity of my > knowledge (or the knowledge of authors whose books I read to learn > this science) was questioned..so how can I share my bit?? )So now > I share my knowledge offline to whoever asks me:)> > Not everybody can read the originals. Especially people like me who > dont know sanskrit. That doesnt mean only people who read and > interepret the originals are right and great. The translators who > took pains to translate the text were also great and sincere. It is > not fair to think that the efforts of the current few are only great > just because they read the originals. Everybody tries to learn their > best in their own ways. But they may not be standing on the roof top > and shouting it loud to let others know about it. Nobody is pooh-> poohing anybody's knowledge, so long, I havent done so. What I dont > undertsand is you all suddenly become so sensitive when some body > tries to voice their opinion which may seem opposite to yours(the > group you call as "we"), but why not realise that other members are > as sensitive as well?? > Sreeramji, I didnt mean any offence, but just said a fact:) > > Regards,> Jyothi> > , "sreeram srinivas" > sreeram64@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Members,> > > > I think the discussion is going tangential.......even should we > have the> > right lessons in plain english, then why so many examples are > required> > to make them more understanding....?? further new doubts keep > coming up> > in its application....??!!> > > > So questioning the authencity of slokas is misplaced....for those > not> > having prior knowledgeable of Indian History, should first > understand & > > appreciate that Indian scholars NEVER relied on writing down their> > knowledge as westerners do......for our ancient seers understood, > such> > documents would not survive the time.....one flood or > calamity...would> > destroy so many things....instead our sages have relied > to "ERECT" a> > living scholar worthy enough to answer all those queries....> > > > Example: Sri Adi Shankaracharya saw his disciple writting down > some> > slokas, to which he politely told him NOT required.....but he> > continued.....after completion the disciple presented to him for> > review..etc...Sri Shankaracharya....went through that entire> > script....gave it back to him...with some advice.....a week > later....the> > entire script got washed away in a river flood.....the disciple was> > depressed....seeing him.....Sri Shankaracharya....reproduced the > entire> > script from his memory.....to the surprise of his > disciple.....later> > became a classic.....do not remember the disciple name could be > Sri> > Padmapada......or the "sanskrit slokas" book> > name...."Panchapadika"...will post it the name correctly....it had > 1000> > verses....> > > > Each Sage / Saint/ Guru used to choose his successor and would > train him> > in every aspect including regulating the thoughts....this is what > is> > called Parampara.....{ NOT father/son relations as it happens in> > astrology circles....for this relation is born out of selfish> > desire...where the son irrespective of his worthy credentials is> > given....such parampara can be maximum called Inheritance...cannot > be> > equated to concept of Parampara}....for the original concept is to> > choose the best worthy successor..i.e. Guru is to select the best> > amongst all his pupils.....> > > > It is natural that with changing society, some of the slokas > might have> > undergone a transformation.....yet the original essence is > retained.> > > > Example: In mythology Mahabharat - Princess Draupadi is supposed > to be> > insulted in the court of Emperor Dhritarastra.....in good olds > days,> > Women being called to "Male" dominated courts were itself a insult,> > {there are countries, where during monthly biological cycles in > women -> > they are officially permitted to take leave from 1-3 days without > asking> > approvals},.... so calling them during that biological cycles..is > also> > an insult.....with change of society....it became a issue of> > "dis-robing".....may be later tomorrow somebody will change to> > "raped"....etc.., but the centre of the fact is - she was > insulted, this> > event is mis-represented and mis-communicated....but not > deleted.....!!!> > > > Western societies in terms of their advancement in their regions > i.e.> > Society.....how cruel they can be .....could be seen during the> > Yugloslavian, Iraq, Vietnam, Australia {for their touch of rasicm > in> > sports - cricket...recent news...} conflicts....i.e. Serbia, > Kosovo,> > Croatia..etc.. Yes, they are all advanced. The rejected > Princess of> > UK {name I forgot...i.e. Ex. Daughter -In-Law of Queen Elizabeth} > found> > solace in Bangalore !! by her own admission.....for our hindu > society> > has still the resilence to absorb anyone......> > > > If someone has done an exercise of collecting rare slokas, why> > pooh-phooh it even before reading it ??> > > > Saints & Sages have come and gone, but none disputed the vedas. > To> > expect each seer to write a book on every known matter would be an> > far-fetched....to expect... two scholars to be in same frame of > mind> > would be a illogical......then extending this logic to existing> > religions, when everybody agrees God is one, but why we need to > erect> > this invisible walls of religion ??> > > > Saints & Sages, have written things in different perspectives and > the> > meanings accordingly differ......because of their respective "Time> > Stamps" it is for each one of us to understand and appreciate > it....its> > meanings or differences.....> > > > So in the name of science & evidence.......do not hold the reality> > unfolding.......give your bit.....> > > > With regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh-ji,

 

This reminds me of something on the lines of a famous saying by a

famous man:

Ask not what AIA can do for you, ask what you can do for AIA (and the

community thereof)

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji,

> I have a simple question - Are we here to study together or to

> phoo-phoo? Who ever that be. Original or no original it is the

worthy

> contribution that matters and not gossiping and endless arguments -

most

> individuals who approach this subject with enough seriousness may

get

> tired of it easily - and that is why in many other groups a vacuum

with

> almost no worthy post coming up for days together. I don't think

we are

> here to prove that something is right and something else is wrong;

but

> instead simply to learn, understand and discuss ancient indian

astrology

> - know that everyone is students here and therefore never expect any

> unmistaking masters here. Also note that the group is to discuss

AIA,

> even though we don't have anything against other systems.

> Note: If the time wasted in argumentation is used productively AKK

could

> have completly many worthy books and improved his understanding

much by

> now. The rivers that flow through when bombared with numerous

pebbles

> loses its force; so anyone who want to do something creative and

find

> time for self study should avoid too much classhes and

argumentation -

> the point is 'why waste our energy?'; 'why can't we use it for more

> creative purposes?'. Other similar qustions could be - 'Why we

always

> expect things from others?'; 'Why can't we do it ourselves?'; and

so on.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

> >

> > I tried to give my squirrel bit..but the authenticity of my

> > knowledge (or the knowledge of authors whose books I read to learn

> > this science) was questioned..so how can I share my bit?? )So

now

> > I share my knowledge offline to whoever asks me:)

> >

> > Not everybody can read the originals. Especially people like me

who

> > dont know sanskrit. That doesnt mean only people who read and

> > interepret the originals are right and great. The translators who

> > took pains to translate the text were also great and sincere. It

is

> > not fair to think that the efforts of the current few are only

great

> > just because they read the originals. Everybody tries to learn

their

> > best in their own ways. But they may not be standing on the roof

top

> > and shouting it loud to let others know about it. Nobody is pooh-

> > poohing anybody's knowledge, so long, I havent done so. What I

dont

> > undertsand is you all suddenly become so sensitive when some body

> > tries to voice their opinion which may seem opposite to yours(the

> > group you call as " we " ), but why not realise that other members

are

> > as sensitive as well??

> > Sreeramji, I didnt mean any offence, but just said a fact:)

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > , " sreeram

srinivas "

> > sreeram64@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > I think the discussion is going tangential.......even should we

> > have the

> > > right lessons in plain english, then why so many examples are

> > required

> > > to make them more understanding....?? further new doubts keep

> > coming up

> > > in its application....??!!

> > >

> > > So questioning the authencity of slokas is misplaced....for

those

> > not

> > > having prior knowledgeable of Indian History, should first

> > understand &

> > > appreciate that Indian scholars NEVER relied on writing down

their

> > > knowledge as westerners do......for our ancient seers

understood,

> > such

> > > documents would not survive the time.....one flood or

> > calamity...would

> > > destroy so many things....instead our sages have relied

> > to " ERECT " a

> > > living scholar worthy enough to answer all those queries....

> > >

> > > Example: Sri Adi Shankaracharya saw his disciple writting down

> > some

> > > slokas, to which he politely told him NOT required.....but he

> > > continued.....after completion the disciple presented to him for

> > > review..etc...Sri Shankaracharya....went through that entire

> > > script....gave it back to him...with some advice.....a week

> > later....the

> > > entire script got washed away in a river flood.....the disciple

was

> > > depressed....seeing him.....Sri Shankaracharya....reproduced the

> > entire

> > > script from his memory.....to the surprise of his

> > disciple.....later

> > > became a classic.....do not remember the disciple name could be

> > Sri

> > > Padmapada......or the " sanskrit slokas " book

> > > name.... " Panchapadika " ...will post it the name correctly....it

had

> > 1000

> > > verses....

> > >

> > > Each Sage / Saint/ Guru used to choose his successor and would

> > train him

> > > in every aspect including regulating the thoughts....this is

what

> > is

> > > called Parampara.....{ NOT father/son relations as it happens in

> > > astrology circles....for this relation is born out of selfish

> > > desire...where the son irrespective of his worthy credentials is

> > > given....such parampara can be maximum called

Inheritance...cannot

> > be

> > > equated to concept of Parampara}....for the original concept is

to

> > > choose the best worthy successor..i.e. Guru is to select the

best

> > > amongst all his pupils.....

> > >

> > > It is natural that with changing society, some of the slokas

> > might have

> > > undergone a transformation.....yet the original essence is

> > retained.

> > >

> > > Example: In mythology Mahabharat - Princess Draupadi is supposed

> > to be

> > > insulted in the court of Emperor Dhritarastra.....in good olds

> > days,

> > > Women being called to " Male " dominated courts were itself a

insult,

> > > {there are countries, where during monthly biological cycles in

> > women -

> > > they are officially permitted to take leave from 1-3 days

without

> > asking

> > > approvals},.... so calling them during that biological

cycles..is

> > also

> > > an insult.....with change of society....it became a issue of

> > > " dis-robing " .....may be later tomorrow somebody will change to

> > > " raped " ....etc.., but the centre of the fact is - she was

> > insulted, this

> > > event is mis-represented and mis-communicated....but not

> > deleted.....!!!

> > >

> > > Western societies in terms of their advancement in their regions

> > i.e.

> > > Society.....how cruel they can be .....could be seen during the

> > > Yugloslavian, Iraq, Vietnam, Australia {for their touch of

rasicm

> > in

> > > sports - cricket...recent news...} conflicts....i.e. Serbia,

> > Kosovo,

> > > Croatia..etc.. Yes, they are all advanced. The rejected

> > Princess of

> > > UK {name I forgot...i.e. Ex. Daughter -In-Law of Queen

Elizabeth}

> > found

> > > solace in Bangalore !! by her own admission.....for our hindu

> > society

> > > has still the resilence to absorb anyone......

> > >

> > > If someone has done an exercise of collecting rare slokas, why

> > > pooh-phooh it even before reading it ??

> > >

> > > Saints & Sages have come and gone, but none disputed the vedas.

> > To

> > > expect each seer to write a book on every known matter would be

an

> > > far-fetched....to expect... two scholars to be in same frame of

> > mind

> > > would be a illogical......then extending this logic to existing

> > > religions, when everybody agrees God is one, but why we need to

> > erect

> > > this invisible walls of religion ??

> > >

> > > Saints & Sages, have written things in different perspectives

and

> > the

> > > meanings accordingly differ......because of their

respective " Time

> > > Stamps " it is for each one of us to understand and appreciate

> > it....its

> > > meanings or differences.....

> > >

> > > So in the name of science & evidence.......do not hold the

reality

> > > unfolding.......give your bit.....

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Souvik ji,

By the words 'AIA' if you mean 'Ancient Indian Astrology'

then truly I agree to 100% with your words.

If you mean 'Ancient Indian Astrology ' by those words

- then for sure many will agree that this group is doing more than what they

can expect from any other group on ancient indian astrology (by numerous file

uploads, links, and knowledge sharing). For example - can you sincerely

say that this group is not doing anything for its members?! If not, do you

think all these members would be present here and more than 35% of the members

will prefer 'Individual mails' option (and more than 20% daily digest!)

for a group that receives more than 40 mails per day?!! How many other

groups would be present with 1600+ members with ONLY less than 15 members with

bouncing message, that too just due to 'over quota' mail space usage?!

Since you had a group of your own - I am sure you will understand what I

mean. The point I am emphasizing is more than 1600+ members are truly

'reading the mails' and really feel that they are getting benefited by this

group!! A fact.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh-ji,> > This reminds me of something on the lines of a famous saying by a > famous man:> Ask not what AIA can do for you, ask what you can do for AIA (and the > community thereof) > > Regards,> > Souvik> > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Lakshmi ji,> > I have a simple question - Are we here to study together or to> > phoo-phoo? Who ever that be. Original or no original it is the > worthy> > contribution that matters and not gossiping and endless arguments - > most> > individuals who approach this subject with enough seriousness may > get> > tired of it easily - and that is why in many other groups a vacuum > with> > almost no worthy post coming up for days together. I don't think > we are> > here to prove that something is right and something else is wrong; > but> > instead simply to learn, understand and discuss ancient indian > astrology> > - know that everyone is students here and therefore never expect any> > unmistaking masters here. Also note that the group is to discuss > AIA,> > even though we don't have anything against other systems.> > Note: If the time wasted in argumentation is used productively AKK > could> > have completly many worthy books and improved his understanding > much by> > now. The rivers that flow through when bombared with numerous > pebbles> > loses its force; so anyone who want to do something creative and > find> > time for self study should avoid too much classhes and > argumentation -> > the point is 'why waste our energy?'; 'why can't we use it for more> > creative purposes?'. Other similar qustions could be - 'Why we > always> > expect things from others?'; 'Why can't we do it ourselves?'; and > so on.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "jyothi_b_lakshmi"> > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:> > >> > > I tried to give my squirrel bit..but the authenticity of my> > > knowledge (or the knowledge of authors whose books I read to learn> > > this science) was questioned..so how can I share my bit?? )So > now> > > I share my knowledge offline to whoever asks me:)> > >> > > Not everybody can read the originals. Especially people like me > who> > > dont know sanskrit. That doesnt mean only people who read and> > > interepret the originals are right and great. The translators who> > > took pains to translate the text were also great and sincere. It > is> > > not fair to think that the efforts of the current few are only > great> > > just because they read the originals. Everybody tries to learn > their> > > best in their own ways. But they may not be standing on the roof > top> > > and shouting it loud to let others know about it. Nobody is pooh-> > > poohing anybody's knowledge, so long, I havent done so. What I > dont> > > undertsand is you all suddenly become so sensitive when some body> > > tries to voice their opinion which may seem opposite to yours(the> > > group you call as "we"), but why not realise that other members > are> > > as sensitive as well??> > > Sreeramji, I didnt mean any offence, but just said a fact:)> > >> > > Regards,> > > Jyothi> > >> > > , "sreeram > srinivas"> > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > I think the discussion is going tangential.......even should we> > > have the> > > > right lessons in plain english, then why so many examples are> > > required> > > > to make them more understanding....?? further new doubts keep> > > coming up> > > > in its application....??!!> > > >> > > > So questioning the authencity of slokas is misplaced....for > those> > > not> > > > having prior knowledgeable of Indian History, should first> > > understand & > > > > appreciate that Indian scholars NEVER relied on writing down > their> > > > knowledge as westerners do......for our ancient seers > understood,> > > such> > > > documents would not survive the time.....one flood or> > > calamity...would> > > > destroy so many things....instead our sages have relied> > > to "ERECT" a> > > > living scholar worthy enough to answer all those queries....> > > >> > > > Example: Sri Adi Shankaracharya saw his disciple writting down> > > some> > > > slokas, to which he politely told him NOT required.....but he> > > > continued.....after completion the disciple presented to him for> > > > review..etc...Sri Shankaracharya....went through that entire> > > > script....gave it back to him...with some advice.....a week> > > later....the> > > > entire script got washed away in a river flood.....the disciple > was> > > > depressed....seeing him.....Sri Shankaracharya....reproduced the> > > entire> > > > script from his memory.....to the surprise of his> > > disciple.....later> > > > became a classic.....do not remember the disciple name could be> > > Sri> > > > Padmapada......or the "sanskrit slokas" book> > > > name...."Panchapadika"...will post it the name correctly....it > had> > > 1000> > > > verses....> > > >> > > > Each Sage / Saint/ Guru used to choose his successor and would> > > train him> > > > in every aspect including regulating the thoughts....this is > what> > > is> > > > called Parampara.....{ NOT father/son relations as it happens in> > > > astrology circles....for this relation is born out of selfish> > > > desire...where the son irrespective of his worthy credentials is> > > > given....such parampara can be maximum called > Inheritance...cannot> > > be> > > > equated to concept of Parampara}....for the original concept is > to> > > > choose the best worthy successor..i.e. Guru is to select the > best> > > > amongst all his pupils.....> > > >> > > > It is natural that with changing society, some of the slokas> > > might have> > > > undergone a transformation.....yet the original essence is> > > retained.> > > >> > > > Example: In mythology Mahabharat - Princess Draupadi is supposed> > > to be> > > > insulted in the court of Emperor Dhritarastra.....in good olds> > > days,> > > > Women being called to "Male" dominated courts were itself a > insult,> > > > {there are countries, where during monthly biological cycles in> > > women -> > > > they are officially permitted to take leave from 1-3 days > without> > > asking> > > > approvals},.... so calling them during that biological > cycles..is> > > also> > > > an insult.....with change of society....it became a issue of> > > > "dis-robing".....may be later tomorrow somebody will change to> > > > "raped"....etc.., but the centre of the fact is - she was> > > insulted, this> > > > event is mis-represented and mis-communicated....but not> > > deleted.....!!!> > > >> > > > Western societies in terms of their advancement in their regions> > > i.e.> > > > Society.....how cruel they can be .....could be seen during the> > > > Yugloslavian, Iraq, Vietnam, Australia {for their touch of > rasicm> > > in> > > > sports - cricket...recent news...} conflicts....i.e. Serbia,> > > Kosovo,> > > > Croatia..etc.. Yes, they are all advanced. The rejected> > > Princess of> > > > UK {name I forgot...i.e. Ex. Daughter -In-Law of Queen > Elizabeth}> > > found> > > > solace in Bangalore !! by her own admission.....for our hindu> > > society> > > > has still the resilence to absorb anyone......> > > >> > > > If someone has done an exercise of collecting rare slokas, why> > > > pooh-phooh it even before reading it ??> > > >> > > > Saints & Sages have come and gone, but none disputed the vedas.> > > To> > > > expect each seer to write a book on every known matter would be > an> > > > far-fetched....to expect... two scholars to be in same frame of> > > mind> > > > would be a illogical......then extending this logic to existing> > > > religions, when everybody agrees God is one, but why we need to> > > erect> > > > this invisible walls of religion ??> > > >> > > > Saints & Sages, have written things in different perspectives > and> > > the> > > > meanings accordingly differ......because of their > respective "Time> > > > Stamps" it is for each one of us to understand and appreciate> > > it....its> > > > meanings or differences.....> > > >> > > > So in the name of science & evidence.......do not hold the > reality> > > > unfolding.......give your bit.....> > > >> > > > With regards,> > > >> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh-ji,

 

I meant AIA as the art and science and not the group.

 

Yes from a moderation point of view, your numbers are excellent.

However, reading/receiving emails and participation in a group forum

are two different things.

 

Participation in polls for example is a good indication of such

active participation as is replying to or posting messages.

 

Nevertheless I agree that bouncing member count is less is a very

good sign for a healthy group.

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Souvik ji,

> By the words 'AIA' if you mean 'Ancient Indian Astrology' then

truly

> I agree to 100% with your words.

> If you mean 'Ancient Indian Astrology ' by those

words -

> then for sure many will agree that this group is doing more than

what

> they can expect from any other group on ancient indian astrology (by

> numerous file uploads, links, and knowledge sharing). For example -

can

> you sincerely say that this group is not doing anything for its

> members?! If not, do you think all these members would be present

here

> and more than 35% of the members will prefer 'Individual mails'

option

> (and more than 20% daily digest!) for a group that receives more

than 40

> mails per day?!! How many other groups would be present with

1600+

> members with ONLY less than 15 members with bouncing message, that

too

> just due to 'over quota' mail space usage?! Since you had a group

of

> your own - I am sure you will understand what I mean. The point I

am

> emphasizing is more than 1600+ members are truly 'reading the

mails' and

> really feel that they are getting benefited by this group!! A fact.

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> , " Souvik Dutta "

> <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh-ji,

> >

> > This reminds me of something on the lines of a famous saying by a

> > famous man:

> > Ask not what AIA can do for you, ask what you can do for AIA (and

the

> > community thereof)

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi ji,

> > > I have a simple question - Are we here to study together or

to

> > > phoo-phoo? Who ever that be. Original or no original it is the

> > worthy

> > > contribution that matters and not gossiping and endless

arguments -

> > most

> > > individuals who approach this subject with enough seriousness

may

> > get

> > > tired of it easily - and that is why in many other groups a

vacuum

> > with

> > > almost no worthy post coming up for days together. I don't

think

> > we are

> > > here to prove that something is right and something else is

wrong;

> > but

> > > instead simply to learn, understand and discuss ancient indian

> > astrology

> > > - know that everyone is students here and therefore never

expect any

> > > unmistaking masters here. Also note that the group is to discuss

> > AIA,

> > > even though we don't have anything against other systems.

> > > Note: If the time wasted in argumentation is used productively

AKK

> > could

> > > have completly many worthy books and improved his understanding

> > much by

> > > now. The rivers that flow through when bombared with numerous

> > pebbles

> > > loses its force; so anyone who want to do something creative and

> > find

> > > time for self study should avoid too much classhes and

> > argumentation -

> > > the point is 'why waste our energy?'; 'why can't we use it for

more

> > > creative purposes?'. Other similar qustions could be - 'Why we

> > always

> > > expect things from others?'; 'Why can't we do it ourselves?';

and

> > so on.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > --- In

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I tried to give my squirrel bit..but the authenticity of my

> > > > knowledge (or the knowledge of authors whose books I read to

learn

> > > > this science) was questioned..so how can I share my bit?? )

So

> > now

> > > > I share my knowledge offline to whoever asks me:)

> > > >

> > > > Not everybody can read the originals. Especially people like

me

> > who

> > > > dont know sanskrit. That doesnt mean only people who read and

> > > > interepret the originals are right and great. The translators

who

> > > > took pains to translate the text were also great and sincere.

It

> > is

> > > > not fair to think that the efforts of the current few are only

> > great

> > > > just because they read the originals. Everybody tries to learn

> > their

> > > > best in their own ways. But they may not be standing on the

roof

> > top

> > > > and shouting it loud to let others know about it. Nobody is

pooh-

> > > > poohing anybody's knowledge, so long, I havent done so. What I

> > dont

> > > > undertsand is you all suddenly become so sensitive when some

body

> > > > tries to voice their opinion which may seem opposite to yours

(the

> > > > group you call as " we " ), but why not realise that other

members

> > are

> > > > as sensitive as well??

> > > > Sreeramji, I didnt mean any offence, but just said a fact:)

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > > , " sreeram

> > srinivas "

> > > > sreeram64@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think the discussion is going tangential.......even

should we

> > > > have the

> > > > > right lessons in plain english, then why so many examples

are

> > > > required

> > > > > to make them more understanding....?? further new doubts

keep

> > > > coming up

> > > > > in its application....??!!

> > > > >

> > > > > So questioning the authencity of slokas is misplaced....for

> > those

> > > > not

> > > > > having prior knowledgeable of Indian History, should first

> > > > understand &

> > > > > appreciate that Indian scholars NEVER relied on writing down

> > their

> > > > > knowledge as westerners do......for our ancient seers

> > understood,

> > > > such

> > > > > documents would not survive the time.....one flood or

> > > > calamity...would

> > > > > destroy so many things....instead our sages have relied

> > > > to " ERECT " a

> > > > > living scholar worthy enough to answer all those queries....

> > > > >

> > > > > Example: Sri Adi Shankaracharya saw his disciple writting

down

> > > > some

> > > > > slokas, to which he politely told him NOT required.....but

he

> > > > > continued.....after completion the disciple presented to

him for

> > > > > review..etc...Sri Shankaracharya....went through that entire

> > > > > script....gave it back to him...with some advice.....a week

> > > > later....the

> > > > > entire script got washed away in a river flood.....the

disciple

> > was

> > > > > depressed....seeing him.....Sri

Shankaracharya....reproduced the

> > > > entire

> > > > > script from his memory.....to the surprise of his

> > > > disciple.....later

> > > > > became a classic.....do not remember the disciple name

could be

> > > > Sri

> > > > > Padmapada......or the " sanskrit slokas " book

> > > > > name.... " Panchapadika " ...will post it the name

correctly....it

> > had

> > > > 1000

> > > > > verses....

> > > > >

> > > > > Each Sage / Saint/ Guru used to choose his successor and

would

> > > > train him

> > > > > in every aspect including regulating the thoughts....this is

> > what

> > > > is

> > > > > called Parampara.....{ NOT father/son relations as it

happens in

> > > > > astrology circles....for this relation is born out of

selfish

> > > > > desire...where the son irrespective of his worthy

credentials is

> > > > > given....such parampara can be maximum called

> > Inheritance...cannot

> > > > be

> > > > > equated to concept of Parampara}....for the original

concept is

> > to

> > > > > choose the best worthy successor..i.e. Guru is to select the

> > best

> > > > > amongst all his pupils.....

> > > > >

> > > > > It is natural that with changing society, some of the slokas

> > > > might have

> > > > > undergone a transformation.....yet the original essence is

> > > > retained.

> > > > >

> > > > > Example: In mythology Mahabharat - Princess Draupadi is

supposed

> > > > to be

> > > > > insulted in the court of Emperor Dhritarastra.....in good

olds

> > > > days,

> > > > > Women being called to " Male " dominated courts were itself a

> > insult,

> > > > > {there are countries, where during monthly biological

cycles in

> > > > women -

> > > > > they are officially permitted to take leave from 1-3 days

> > without

> > > > asking

> > > > > approvals},.... so calling them during that biological

> > cycles..is

> > > > also

> > > > > an insult.....with change of society....it became a issue of

> > > > > " dis-robing " .....may be later tomorrow somebody will change

to

> > > > > " raped " ....etc.., but the centre of the fact is - she was

> > > > insulted, this

> > > > > event is mis-represented and mis-communicated....but not

> > > > deleted.....!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Western societies in terms of their advancement in their

regions

> > > > i.e.

> > > > > Society.....how cruel they can be .....could be seen during

the

> > > > > Yugloslavian, Iraq, Vietnam, Australia {for their touch of

> > rasicm

> > > > in

> > > > > sports - cricket...recent news...} conflicts....i.e. Serbia,

> > > > Kosovo,

> > > > > Croatia..etc.. Yes, they are all advanced. The rejected

> > > > Princess of

> > > > > UK {name I forgot...i.e. Ex. Daughter -In-Law of Queen

> > Elizabeth}

> > > > found

> > > > > solace in Bangalore !! by her own admission.....for our

hindu

> > > > society

> > > > > has still the resilence to absorb anyone......

> > > > >

> > > > > If someone has done an exercise of collecting rare slokas,

why

> > > > > pooh-phooh it even before reading it ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Saints & Sages have come and gone, but none disputed the

vedas.

> > > > To

> > > > > expect each seer to write a book on every known matter

would be

> > an

> > > > > far-fetched....to expect... two scholars to be in same

frame of

> > > > mind

> > > > > would be a illogical......then extending this logic to

existing

> > > > > religions, when everybody agrees God is one, but why we

need to

> > > > erect

> > > > > this invisible walls of religion ??

> > > > >

> > > > > Saints & Sages, have written things in different

perspectives

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > meanings accordingly differ......because of their

> > respective " Time

> > > > > Stamps " it is for each one of us to understand and

appreciate

> > > > it....its

> > > > > meanings or differences.....

> > > > >

> > > > > So in the name of science & evidence.......do not hold the

> > reality

> > > > > unfolding.......give your bit.....

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyothi,

 

I got the similar feeling and I have

responded exactly the same way.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi

Thursday January 10, 2008

6:07 AM

 

Subject:

Re: To sreeramji

 

 

 

 

 

I tried to give my squirrel bit..but the authenticity

of my

knowledge (or the knowledge of authors whose books I read to learn

this science) was questioned..so how can I share my bit?? )So now

I share my knowledge offline to whoever asks me:)

 

Not everybody can read the originals. Especially people like me who

dont know sanskrit. That doesnt mean only people who read and

interepret the originals are right and great. The translators who

took pains to translate the text were also great and sincere. It is

not fair to think that the efforts of the current few are only great

just because they read the originals. Everybody tries to learn their

best in their own ways. But they may not be standing on the roof top

and shouting it loud to let others know about it. Nobody is pooh-

poohing anybody's knowledge, so long, I havent done so. What I dont

undertsand is you all suddenly become so sensitive when some body

tries to voice their opinion which may seem opposite to yours(the

group you call as " we " ), but why not realise that other members are

as sensitive as well??

Sreeramji, I didnt mean any offence, but just said a fact:)

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

,

" sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I think the discussion is going tangential.......even should we

have the

> right lessons in plain english, then why so many examples are

required

> to make them more understanding....?? further new doubts keep

coming up

> in its application....??!!

>

> So questioning the authencity of slokas is misplaced....for those

not

> having prior knowledgeable of Indian History, should first

understand &

> appreciate that Indian scholars NEVER relied on writing down their

> knowledge as westerners do......for our ancient seers understood,

such

> documents would not survive the time.....one flood or

calamity...would

> destroy so many things....instead our sages have relied

to " ERECT " a

> living scholar worthy enough to answer all those queries....

>

> Example: Sri Adi Shankaracharya saw his disciple writting down

some

> slokas, to which he politely told him NOT required.....but he

> continued.....after completion the disciple presented to him for

> review..etc...Sri Shankaracharya....went through that entire

> script....gave it back to him...with some advice.....a week

later....the

> entire script got washed away in a river flood.....the disciple was

> depressed....seeing him.....Sri Shankaracharya....reproduced the

 

entire

> script from his memory.....to the surprise of his

disciple.....later

> became a classic.....do not remember the disciple name could be

Sri

> Padmapada......or the " sanskrit slokas " book

> name.... " Panchapadika " ...will post it the name correctly....it

had

1000

> verses....

>

> Each Sage / Saint/ Guru used to choose his successor and would

train him

> in every aspect including regulating the thoughts....this is what

is

> called Parampara.....{ NOT father/son relations as it happens in

> astrology circles....for this relation is born out of selfish

> desire...where the son irrespective of his worthy credentials is

> given....such parampara can be maximum called Inheritance...cannot

be

> equated to concept of Parampara}....for the original concept is to

> choose the best worthy successor..i.e. Guru is to select the best

> amongst all his pupils.....

>

> It is natural that with changing society, some of the slokas

might have

> undergone a transformation.....yet the original essence is

retained.

>

> Example: In mythology Mahabharat - Princess Draupadi is supposed

to be

> insulted in the court of Emperor Dhritarastra.....in good olds

days,

> Women being called to " Male " dominated courts were itself a

insult,

> {there are countries, where during monthly biological cycles in

women -

> they are officially permitted to take leave from 1-3 days without

asking

> approvals},.... so calling them during that biological cycles..is

also

> an insult.....with change of society....it became a issue of

> " dis-robing " .....may be later tomorrow somebody will change

to

> " raped " ....etc.., but the centre of the fact is - she was

insulted, this

> event is mis-represented and mis-communicated....but not

deleted.....!!!

>

> Western societies in terms of their advancement in their regions

i.e.

> Society.....how cruel they can be .....could be seen during the

> Yugloslavian, Iraq,

Vietnam, Australia {for

their touch of rasicm

in

> sports - cricket...recent news...} conflicts....i.e. Serbia,

Kosovo,

> Croatia..etc..

Yes, they are all advanced. The rejected

Princess of

> UK

{name I forgot...i.e. Ex. Daughter -In-Law of Queen Elizabeth}

found

> solace in Bangalore

!! by her own admission.....for our hindu

society

> has still the resilence to absorb anyone......

>

> If someone has done an exercise of collecting rare slokas, why

> pooh-phooh it even before reading it ??

>

> Saints & Sages have come and gone, but none disputed the vedas.

To

> expect each seer to write a book on every known matter would be an

> far-fetched....to expect... two scholars to be in same frame of

mind

> would be a illogical......then extending this logic to existing

> religions, when everybody agrees God is one, but why we need to

erect

> this invisible walls of religion ??

>

> Saints & Sages, have written things in different perspectives and

the

> meanings accordingly differ......because of their respective

" Time

> Stamps " it is for each one of us to understand and appreciate

it....its

> meanings or differences.....

>

> So in the name of science & evidence.......do not hold the

reality

> unfolding.......give your bit.....

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

[Guest guest]

Please do not let ego come in between. We learners will ignorant as compared to you guys. If you'll start fighting .....hamra kya hoga?. ---

[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranjiv,

 

Nobody is going anywhere....as usual we all will continue including

Ash.+ ...etc.., let me assure you that there are NO ego clashes or

anything of that sort....we may differ at times, ...but those are

technical in nature......but the subject moves on.....

 

Thanks for showing the concern......

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram