Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear Chakraborty ji, Thanks for the mail - it was very informative. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Hi Sreenadh, > > I would not go to Sura / Asura divide... it will be a too difficult and diverse subject for me. Even Varuna (later day Uranus) etc. were supposedly Asura... and Indra was supposedly called Asura at one or two places in Rgveda. > > As far as my undersatnding goes.... The Bodo tribe may have been part of Kirata group. The Kirata group was, as some suggest, present from Pacific coast to N. East...North-East being a buffer zone. The Mongoloid group in Nepal claim that they are from Kirata group. The expert in NE ethnology, Sri Maheswar Neog also suggest that Assam was / is a Kirata Land. > > The migration of population .... and sharing of same myths.. is highly probable. Like Usha-Aniruddha affair and Ban / Van Asura... it is claimed by Ukhimath (near Ranikhet..Almorah ?) and Sonitpur in Assam... all of them claim that place. And Bhima was present in too many places wherever any stone-made megalithic structure of big-scale is present. > > The Nag group might have been different from this Kirata group.. they existed alongwith the Ksatriya Clans... If I remeber correctly, Arjuna of Maha Bharat was kidnapped by a Naag Princess while taking a bath in Prayag. > > BTW, it is Pragjyotish Pur (not Puri)... and the earlier Kings of of Pragjyotishpur...Narakasur, Vaan, Bhagadutta, Mahidanava...all of them were on the wrong side of the Kurukshetra war / Vedic people. Quite possible that they were depicted in poor light. > > The Victors re-write the history and myths....is not that so, always.. ? > > Regards > > > > > Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:58 PM > > Re: Science is science and Rgveda is Rgveda.... > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > Thanks for the nice mail. > ==> > > Now the ethnic Bodo tribes of Assam (A Tibeto-Burmese Mongoloid > group) refers to Narakasur as NARAKHA -DA (Da means - King or > something like that)...one of their own. > <== > To related information could be - The Asura tribe is supposed to > have an origin in Kamakhya and Prag Jyotisha puri in north east. > Narakasura is part of an imporant non-vedic tradtion the 'Asura > tradition'. > The Snake temples and place names associated with snake (Nagpur, > Nagarcoil etc) are present from Napal border to Kanaya kumari - > indicating a migration? Another important tradition? > Love, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology , " Chakraborty, PL " > <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote: > > > > Hi Vinita, > > > > I am new to astrology.... and know almost nothing about > Sanskrit.....except understand few basic words of Sanskrit. So I am in > much less qualified to talk about it or our Sanskrit heritage. > > > > But regarding your comments about Kunti... representing earth / > Prithvi etc ......may be I should put my ideas / imaginations ( I can > not cite references). > > > > To start with... Pritha might have come from Parthian (Greeks)..... > > > > Prithivi / Prithvi... has been mentioned some places.... like Sita > (daughter of earth)...... and in few examples, Prithivi has taken form > of Cow too....The english word Geo (as in geography etc) and cow has > same root as Go/gow > > > > But I will tell about some Personality which has a confirmation from > non-Sanskrit source too.. and that you might find it quite interesting. > > > > It is about NARAKASURA...... > > > > As per Puranic source.... Narakasura was conceived by Prithvi after > impregnation by Vishnu.. Later he became king..... became a tyrant... > and was killed by Sri Krishna.... on Naraka Chaturdashi (the day > before Dewali). > > > > Now the ethnic Bodo tribes of Assam (A Tibeto-Burmese Mongoloid > group) refers to Narakasur as NARAKHA -DA (Da means - King or > something like that)...one of their own. As per their myth / > history... Narakha was a son of their king. Due to palace > conspiracy, his preganant mother fled to neighbouring kingdom of > Magadha. There Narakha was born, attended schooling and became a > Vishnu Bhakta. He was there for 14 yrs. Then he came back to his own > kingdom and later became a king. although initially a Vishnu Bhakta, > he changed over time to mecome bitter critic of Vishnu and associated > religion. He was later killed by some outside king. > > > > The inference I drew from this myth is..... > > > > Prithvi in Sanskrit references means ... local populace etc... The > word GO / GOW (cow) also means same thing when used from that > perspective. So, Gotra refers to a particular populace / tribe only... > nothing to do with 'Cow-shed' as Leftist intellectual tries to portray. > > > > Son / daughter of earth...... means someone who is from that > population..... So, Sita's story (Janak found Sita while ploughing > (sexual act) .. the Prithvi (local populace) .. some Kshetra > (Refer to Kshetraj Santan definition.... a son or daughter from > someone else's wife with due consent from the Husband). > > > > So, many other possible meanings / interpretations are possible. > That is the charm of an Epic. It relates to everyones liking / > knowledge level / taste etc... and becomes Timeless Classic. > > > > 'Hope the forum members enjoys this .. > > > > Regards > > > > Chakra > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > [ ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology ] > > Friday, December 07, 2007 12:04 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > > Science is science and Rgveda is > Rgveda.... > > > > > > > > hi friends, > > > > in this forum we try to be scientific abt astrology...or that's the > > impression i have drawn from some of the messages...but then i could > > be wrong. > > > > meticulously shreenadh has been trying to piece together writings > > from ancient texts to derive meanings. there are other knowledgable > > persons who have been contributing in the same way. > > > > But then just as chandrahariji has said in the case of rgveda, > > aren't shlokas from hora shastras, or upanishads, or other ancient > > texts a little far removed from science? Or could one even venture > > to say that are they amenable to scientific interpretation???? don't > > we all have to use our imagination...to derive meanings... > > > > i forget the sanskrit word that shreenadh quoted for sun in > > libra...which can mean both elephant driver and seller of liquor. > > Yes, the hindi for elephant driver is mahout which as told in one of > > the previous messages is derived from Sankrit just as liquor in > > sanskrit perhaps is madhu..... > > > > " Madhu is also the Sanskrit origin of the English word mead, a > > fermented beverage made from honey. > > Madhu means nectar in Sanskrit and liquor in Tamil. " wickipedia > > > > but then as somebody will tell me, information in wickipedia is > > subject to corrections. > > > > Again thru imagination i was trying to derive a tenuous connection > > between mahout and madhu...but then that could be laughable > > too...!!!! > > > > What i have gathered from this forum is that we have a very rich > > historical knowledge base but then there are distortions that have > > occured in this on the following counts: > > > > 1. people re-writing the ancient texts and thereby adulterating them > > (discussion with respect to rama's horoscope) > > 2. people interpreting ancient texts to suit themselves (using their > > own perceptions and sometimes imagination) > > 3. people deriving different meanings from the same texts on account > > of layers and layers of different meaning of sanskrit words. > > > > The last issue is very interesting. today there was an article in > > the Speaking Tree in TOI which says Ved Vyasa personified the mother > > earth as Kunti in mahabharata.In Sanskrit Kum-ti means earth. > > Kunti's other name is Pritha meaning Prithvi. > > > > " Life originated on earath with the help of sun's rays. Vegetation > > was born. Karna literally means grain with chaff. He represents > > seed, the essence of the vegetable kingdom. But a seed cannot sprout > > without water. Kunti placed the child in a basket in the waters of > > the river Aswa.... " > > > > There are many such parallels drawn in this article which concludes > > in a predictable way: > > > > " The above interpretation merely seeks to draw attention to the > > importance of all aspects of the environment for as human beings we > > have within us elements of all that exists outside of us. The earth > > (environmenet) and its inhabitants therefore need to live in mutual > > harmony " . > > > > Science and Rgveda may be two ends of the spectrum, but if the akar > > of god is round...they should meet somewhere;) > > > > The limited point i was trying to make is that on this forum where > > discussions are encouragaed to have their origins in ancient indian > > texts, sankrit shlokas are used to clinch arguments, and a > > scientific and systematic approach is encouraged, what if the basis > > of all this is shifting sand???? > > > > At a more personal level i hold our ancient knowledge base in great > > awe and respect....but it is its interpretation (where imagination > > may often be used) that leaves me somewhat confused. But then i also > > love it when imagination takes flights into the clouds.... > > > > Somebody today e-mailed to me a message regarding the quirks of > > English language. The quirks of Sanskrit may not be dissimilar to > > this. > > > > Having said all this let me also confess that i am the least > > qualified to talk abt saskrit and would like to enroll in nursery > > class to learn this beautiful language. i also feel a little > > diffident these days to write anything on this knowledgable forum > > having committed grave errors in calling " dhai akshar " dhai " words " : > > (:( and counting three years as 13 years (((((....apart from > > being just a beginner in learning the letter A of astrology. Yes i > > do need to enroll in nursery class once again and not just for > > sanskrit..... > > > > Regards and best wishes, > > vinita > > > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. 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