Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 For a sec, I mistook Lakshmiji and Saraswatiji as this group members ) As per my understanding, Godess Saraswathy is daughter of Brahma (ji) and Godess Lakshmi was born when ocean of milk was churned. Shiva and Parvati are considered as the father and mother of the whole universe. In that way, we can consider all beings as their children:) Regards, Jyothi , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote: > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & SARASWATIJI > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS OF SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > PLEASE TELL ME > > THANKS > RASHMIKANT > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > Re: Time - an illusion > > Dear Sir, > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its existence. Be > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is the > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. This is > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is the only > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > properly. > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific sect. If > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this world > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Trying to confine the absolute > power and the eligibility to experience it to one particular > darshanam is absolute ignorance. It is really sad to know that people > whom we assume to be spiritual and look towards for guidance > themselves think in such a narrow minded way. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is > not mere concept; but it is experiance. The people opposing Sankara > says he is Maya Vadi and Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never > contradicted the experiances of Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds > further and proves the ultimate truth. Advaita is most > scientific.Highest intellectuals. great scientists, thinkers have > accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharishi > are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is possible and > practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any other > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach > ultimate Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara > also explains the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established > Shanmatha i.e. the Six paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not > mere negation; it is positive perfection and ultimate realisation. > Shri > > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi but > yet he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana > Saraswati was also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. All > the forms and names of different Devatas, Deities are many but > ultimately they are all of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa > even practised the Western Religions and revealed all these paths > leads to ultimate, all-pervading, Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, Gnana, > Vairagya,Tapas, Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate > ourselves. The ultimate truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says " Sa > Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa Indra: Sa: Akshara: Paramaswarat " --He is Shiva, He > is Hari, He is Indra, He is Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. Any > amount of logic discussions, reading, may not help us to realise the > truth but an ounce of practice is better than thousand discussions. > Bhagwan says in Geetha that Mama Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to > conquer my Maya. Maya is a word not invented by > > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman > which is nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that > who ever persue a partcular path with stead fast belief and guidance > of his Achrya or Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be > a discussion lin this platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. > Some may be of Devotional Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, Mind > and intellect are limited. All may not know everything. Before > critisising the other path we must fully know abot it. That is not > possible. But Going through a particular path and after reaching the > ultimate we may realise that all are same and being the goal is the > same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda Vadanthi. The same is told in > the Geeta also " Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum Bhakta: Sraddharchitum > Ichchati ..... " Who ever worships me in what ever form he chooses with > devotion and with steadfast determination I Bless them in the same > form I worship. > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta > are very very deepl like ocean and a subject to be practiced and not > to be discussed. Let is stick to ours. I hope that I am not > mistaken. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in > India. > > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the > Saiva > > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His effort > was > > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be > > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot eat > > grass. > > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the creation > arose > > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from > Kailasam > > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few isolated > > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed from > Siva > > to Krishna etc. arose in later times. > > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such gigantic > > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And that > > shows its antiquity. > > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to > chant 'namah > > sivaya' . > > > > chandra hari > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani ramakrishnan > > <r_vani61@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > Namaskar. > > > I am blessed to have a contact with you. > > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself and > my > > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs. > > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam since > all > > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam. > > > Regards, > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > Dear Ramkrishanji, > > > " You and the rest of your family " - if I have to say so at least 2 > > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree. In > the > > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two entities > must > > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam. > > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it > mean? Is > > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when > > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad. > > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are those > adah > > and idam? Are they not two? > > > chandra hari > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or > Illusion. > > > > This is Advaitam. > > > > Regards, > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or Dvaitam? > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan > > > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that is > > > > Parabrahman. > > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even > though > > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent and > > perish in some time. Thats why it is said, > > > > Brahma satyam - Jaganmithya. > > > > Regards, > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox. > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Dear Rashmi Kant - Vishnu? - or night time kanta ji, Me too is a son of Siva and parvati and brother to skanda and ganesh, but don't have much idea about the family history, since they are the ultimate ones present at the beginning. ) Siva and Sakti (Purusha-Prakriti), the duel, Dwaita, the time+radiance (chitanya), siva the Mahakala AND the Matter+Energy dynamic stuff (Sakti) I would have tried to tell you about the family details of Missis Lakshmi and Sarawati, but since you seems to ask about your wife (Mr. Lakshmi kant's wife is Lakshmi), I am bit worried about the legal problems associated with - and is holding back. :=) Hope you won't mind. As of Saraswati, I believe it is not good to bring her into this since she is not part of the controversy, and is not the direct eye witness of the malicious Kanta acts. ;=) Love and regards, Sreenadh , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote: > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & SARASWATIJI > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS OF SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > PLEASE TELL ME > > THANKS > RASHMIKANT > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > Re: Time - an illusion > > Dear Sir, > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its existence. Be > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is the > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. This is > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is the only > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > properly. > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific sect. If > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this world > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Trying to confine the absolute > power and the eligibility to experience it to one particular > darshanam is absolute ignorance. It is really sad to know that people > whom we assume to be spiritual and look towards for guidance > themselves think in such a narrow minded way. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is > not mere concept; but it is experiance. The people opposing Sankara > says he is Maya Vadi and Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never > contradicted the experiances of Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds > further and proves the ultimate truth. Advaita is most > scientific.Highest intellectuals. great scientists, thinkers have > accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharishi > are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is possible and > practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any other > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach > ultimate Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara > also explains the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established > Shanmatha i.e. the Six paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not > mere negation; it is positive perfection and ultimate realisation. > Shri > > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi but > yet he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana > Saraswati was also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. All > the forms and names of different Devatas, Deities are many but > ultimately they are all of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa > even practised the Western Religions and revealed all these paths > leads to ultimate, all-pervading, Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, Gnana, > Vairagya,Tapas, Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate > ourselves. The ultimate truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says " Sa > Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa Indra: Sa: Akshara: Paramaswarat " --He is Shiva, He > is Hari, He is Indra, He is Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. Any > amount of logic discussions, reading, may not help us to realise the > truth but an ounce of practice is better than thousand discussions. > Bhagwan says in Geetha that Mama Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to > conquer my Maya. Maya is a word not invented by > > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman > which is nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that > who ever persue a partcular path with stead fast belief and guidance > of his Achrya or Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be > a discussion lin this platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. > Some may be of Devotional Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, Mind > and intellect are limited. All may not know everything. Before > critisising the other path we must fully know abot it. That is not > possible. But Going through a particular path and after reaching the > ultimate we may realise that all are same and being the goal is the > same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda Vadanthi. The same is told in > the Geeta also " Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum Bhakta: Sraddharchitum > Ichchati ..... " Who ever worships me in what ever form he chooses with > devotion and with steadfast determination I Bless them in the same > form I worship. > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta > are very very deepl like ocean and a subject to be practiced and not > to be discussed. Let is stick to ours. I hope that I am not > mistaken. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in > India. > > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the > Saiva > > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His effort > was > > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be > > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot eat > > grass. > > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the creation > arose > > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from > Kailasam > > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few isolated > > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed from > Siva > > to Krishna etc. arose in later times. > > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such gigantic > > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And that > > shows its antiquity. > > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to > chant 'namah > > sivaya' . > > > > chandra hari > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani ramakrishnan > > <r_vani61@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > Namaskar. > > > I am blessed to have a contact with you. > > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself and > my > > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs. > > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam since > all > > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam. > > > Regards, > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > Dear Ramkrishanji, > > > " You and the rest of your family " - if I have to say so at least 2 > > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree. In > the > > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two entities > must > > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam. > > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it > mean? Is > > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when > > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad. > > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are those > adah > > and idam? Are they not two? > > > chandra hari > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or > Illusion. > > > > This is Advaitam. > > > > Regards, > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or Dvaitam? > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan > > > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that is > > > > Parabrahman. > > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even > though > > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent and > > perish in some time. Thats why it is said, > > > > Brahma satyam - Jaganmithya. > > > > Regards, > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox. > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 From Mahamaya Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra were born. She approached Brahma to marry Her. But he felt incompetent. Vishnu also could not shoulder the responsibility. So Mahamaya approached Rudra and Rudra married Her. It is then Lakshmi and Sarasvati were born - Lakshmi is born of Milky Way. But both are daughters of Rudra and Mahakali. Brahma holds the title of Father to all creations and so don't get confused. chandra hari , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Rashmi Kant - Vishnu? - or night time kanta ji, > Me too is a son of Siva and parvati and brother to skanda and > ganesh, but don't have much idea about the family history, since they > are the ultimate ones present at the beginning. ) Siva and Sakti > (Purusha-Prakriti), the duel, Dwaita, the time+radiance (chitanya), > siva the Mahakala AND the Matter+Energy dynamic stuff (Sakti) > I would have tried to tell you about the family details of Missis > Lakshmi and Sarawati, but since you seems to ask about your wife (Mr. > Lakshmi kant's wife is Lakshmi), I am bit worried about the legal > problems associated with - and is holding back. :=) Hope you won't mind. > As of Saraswati, I believe it is not good to bring her into this > since she is not part of the controversy, and is not the direct eye > witness of the malicious Kanta acts. ;=) > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , rashmi patel > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & SARASWATIJI > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS OF > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > THANKS > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > Re: Time - an illusion > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its existence. Be > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is the > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. This is > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is the only > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > > properly. > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific sect. If > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this world > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Trying to confine the absolute > > power and the eligibility to experience it to one particular > > darshanam is absolute ignorance. It is really sad to know that people > > whom we assume to be spiritual and look towards for guidance > > themselves think in such a narrow minded way. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is > > not mere concept; but it is experiance. The people opposing Sankara > > says he is Maya Vadi and Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never > > contradicted the experiances of Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds > > further and proves the ultimate truth. Advaita is most > > scientific.Highest intellectuals. great scientists, thinkers have > > accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharishi > > are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is possible and > > practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any other > > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of > > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach > > ultimate Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara > > also explains the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established > > Shanmatha i.e. the Six paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not > > mere negation; it is positive perfection and ultimate realisation. > > Shri > > > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi but > > yet he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana > > Saraswati was also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. All > > the forms and names of different Devatas, Deities are many but > > ultimately they are all of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa > > even practised the Western Religions and revealed all these paths > > leads to ultimate, all-pervading, Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, Gnana, > > Vairagya,Tapas, Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate > > ourselves. The ultimate truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says " Sa > > Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa Indra: Sa: Akshara: Paramaswarat " --He is Shiva, He > > is Hari, He is Indra, He is Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. Any > > amount of logic discussions, reading, may not help us to realise the > > truth but an ounce of practice is better than thousand discussions. > > Bhagwan says in Geetha that Mama Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to > > conquer my Maya. Maya is a word not invented by > > > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman > > which is nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that > > who ever persue a partcular path with stead fast belief and guidance > > of his Achrya or Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be > > a discussion lin this platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. > > Some may be of Devotional Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, Mind > > and intellect are limited. All may not know everything. Before > > critisising the other path we must fully know abot it. That is not > > possible. But Going through a particular path and after reaching the > > ultimate we may realise that all are same and being the goal is the > > same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda Vadanthi. The same is told in > > the Geeta also " Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum Bhakta: Sraddharchitum > > Ichchati ..... " Who ever worships me in what ever form he chooses with > > devotion and with steadfast determination I Bless them in the same > > form I worship. > > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta > > are very very deepl like ocean and a subject to be practiced and not > > to be discussed. Let is stick to ours. I hope that I am not > > mistaken. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in > > India. > > > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the > > Saiva > > > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His effort > > was > > > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be > > > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot eat > > > grass. > > > > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the creation > > arose > > > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from > > Kailasam > > > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few isolated > > > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed from > > Siva > > > to Krishna etc. arose in later times. > > > > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such gigantic > > > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And that > > > shows its antiquity. > > > > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to > > chant 'namah > > > sivaya' . > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan > > > <r_vani61@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > I am blessed to have a contact with you. > > > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself and > > my > > > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs. > > > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam since > > all > > > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam. > > > > Regards, > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > Dear Ramkrishanji, > > > > " You and the rest of your family " - if I have to say so at least 2 > > > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree. In > > the > > > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two entities > > must > > > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam. > > > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it > > mean? Is > > > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when > > > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad. > > > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are those > > adah > > > and idam? Are they not two? > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > > ramakrishnan > > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or > > Illusion. > > > > > This is Advaitam. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or Dvaitam? > > > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > > ramakrishnan > > > > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that is > > > > > Parabrahman. > > > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even > > though > > > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent and > > > perish in some time. Thats why it is said, > > > > > Brahma satyam - Jaganmithya. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________\ ____________ > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www./r/hs > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Rashmikantji, Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking questions that have origin in veda/puranas/shastras to an astrology group. The reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of puranas/ ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden meanings of planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly inadequate. The replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have seen this happening in all astrology groups. As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses are used on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have happened before. All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other Vedangas. This is because Vedas are apaurusheya.In case of any conflict between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be taken and others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; buddha, krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none disagrees here. Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line from Mahopanishad is there: eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana who existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma nor Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not a hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various other benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas (mind); unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is not one chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy to his best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or Agni or Pushan, are all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH | vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat.h || This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' from Vishnu. So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, are said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman (R.V 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense that one is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' brahman, that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' omniscient?). Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat.h'). This appears in Taiitariya Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the control of ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some call it devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made Rudra, Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given the bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi etc. Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the Being on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of Lord Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of Lakshmi-Narayana)daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in puranas as chaturavadana rani). I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. That has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions and is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri Vedavyasa himself, the 'organiser of vedas " I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. regards sriram nayak , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote: > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & SARASWATIJI > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS OF SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > PLEASE TELL ME > > THANKS > RASHMIKANT > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > Re: Time - an illusion > > Dear Sir, > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its existence. Be > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is the > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. This is > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is the only > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > properly. > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific sect. If > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this world > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Trying to confine the absolute > power and the eligibility to experience it to one particular > darshanam is absolute ignorance. It is really sad to know that people > whom we assume to be spiritual and look towards for guidance > themselves think in such a narrow minded way. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is > not mere concept; but it is experiance. The people opposing Sankara > says he is Maya Vadi and Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never > contradicted the experiances of Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds > further and proves the ultimate truth. Advaita is most > scientific.Highest intellectuals. great scientists, thinkers have > accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharishi > are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is possible and > practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any other > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach > ultimate Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara > also explains the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established > Shanmatha i.e. the Six paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not > mere negation; it is positive perfection and ultimate realisation. > Shri > > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi but > yet he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana > Saraswati was also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. All > the forms and names of different Devatas, Deities are many but > ultimately they are all of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa > even practised the Western Religions and revealed all these paths > leads to ultimate, all-pervading, Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, Gnana, > Vairagya,Tapas, Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate > ourselves. The ultimate truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says " Sa > Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa Indra: Sa: Akshara: Paramaswarat " --He is Shiva, He > is Hari, He is Indra, He is Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. Any > amount of logic discussions, reading, may not help us to realise the > truth but an ounce of practice is better than thousand discussions. > Bhagwan says in Geetha that Mama Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to > conquer my Maya. Maya is a word not invented by > > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman > which is nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that > who ever persue a partcular path with stead fast belief and guidance > of his Achrya or Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be > a discussion lin this platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. > Some may be of Devotional Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, Mind > and intellect are limited. All may not know everything. Before > critisising the other path we must fully know abot it. That is not > possible. But Going through a particular path and after reaching the > ultimate we may realise that all are same and being the goal is the > same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda Vadanthi. The same is told in > the Geeta also " Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum Bhakta: Sraddharchitum > Ichchati ..... " Who ever worships me in what ever form he chooses with > devotion and with steadfast determination I Bless them in the same > form I worship. > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta > are very very deepl like ocean and a subject to be practiced and not > to be discussed. Let is stick to ours. I hope that I am not > mistaken. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in > India. > > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the > Saiva > > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His effort > was > > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be > > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot eat > > grass. > > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the creation > arose > > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from > Kailasam > > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few isolated > > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed from > Siva > > to Krishna etc. arose in later times. > > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such gigantic > > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And that > > shows its antiquity. > > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to > chant 'namah > > sivaya' . > > > > chandra hari > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani ramakrishnan > > <r_vani61@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > Namaskar. > > > I am blessed to have a contact with you. > > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself and > my > > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs. > > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam since > all > > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam. > > > Regards, > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > Dear Ramkrishanji, > > > " You and the rest of your family " - if I have to say so at least 2 > > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree. In > the > > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two entities > must > > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam. > > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it > mean? Is > > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when > > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad. > > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are those > adah > > and idam? Are they not two? > > > chandra hari > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or > Illusion. > > > > This is Advaitam. > > > > Regards, > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or Dvaitam? > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan > > > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that is > > > > Parabrahman. > > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even > though > > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent and > > perish in some time. Thats why it is said, > > > > Brahma satyam - Jaganmithya. > > > > Regards, > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox. > > > > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear Chakraborty ji, Oh! How varied are the local stories/myths!!! Thanks for sharing this info. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > It is a part of Bengali myths and interpretation where Saraswati and Laxmi are considered daughters of Durga.> > Please note that in Bengal, Maa Durga is considered a member of family... a daughter .. married to Shiva. The Durga Puja is welcome celebration for the annual visit of the daughter. The local tales / songs are also revolving that assumption.> > Now the myth part.....> > In earlier Durga Puja-s, the Maa Durga used to come alone along with vahana Lion / tiger and hapless Asura (Mahisasura). But Maa Durga is embodiment of Dasha (10) Shakti and so... the remaining Nava Shakti was depicted by a bundle contaning nine types of 'Shaak' (saag)..the prominent being..a Banana plant ....+ . some specified green vegetable+roots. The bundle used to be decorated in a Sari (to put the Female touch..)> > Later, with advent of time... in keeping with the family sizes and local prosperity.. the Nava-shakti part was divided..and some part was replaced by Ganesha / Karthikeya (Kartik in local language), Saraswati and Laxmi (again Laxmi is a household deity..quite close to Bengali culture whereas Saraswati is not so.). Obviously, without grandson and g'daughters... homecoming of a daughter can not be a fu-filled affair !!! The remaining part of Nava-shakti is still wrapped in Sari and put on the left side of Ganesha. And the best / worst part of it is ..... this Sari-wrapped bundle is known as Kala (Banana) - bou (Bahu). And same is considered as "Wife of Ganesha" by local folks.> > So, the depiction etc... depends on which shastra you follow and the local interpretation part. Like.. I used to know that Saraswati is daughter of Brahma.> > Regards> > > > > Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:27 PM> > Re: Re: MOTHERS NAME OF LAXMIJI???> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & SARASWATIJI> I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS OF SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> PLEASE TELL ME> > THANKS> RASHMIKANT> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> Re: Time - an illusion> > > > Dear Sir,> > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its existence. Be > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is the > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. This is > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" is the only > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their "ism" > properly. > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific sect. If > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this world > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Trying to confine the absolute > power and the eligibility to experience it to one particular > darshanam is absolute ignorance. It is really sad to know that people > whom we assume to be spiritual and look towards for guidance > themselves think in such a narrow minded way. > > Regards,> Jyothi> > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is > not mere concept; but it is experiance. The people opposing Sankara > says he is Maya Vadi and Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never > contradicted the experiances of Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds > further and proves the ultimate truth. Advaita is most > scientific.Highest intellectuals. great scientists, thinkers have > accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharishi > are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is possible and > practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any other > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach > ultimate Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara > also explains the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established > Shanmatha i.e. the Six paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not > mere negation; it is positive perfection and ultimate realisation. > Shri> > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi but > yet he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana > Saraswati was also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. All > the forms and names of different Devatas, Deities are many but > ultimately they are all of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa > even practised the Western Religions and revealed all these paths > leads to ultimate, all-pervading, Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, Gnana, > Vairagya,Tapas, Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate > ourselves. The ultimate truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says "Sa > Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa Indra: Sa: Akshara: Paramaswarat" --He is Shiva, He > is Hari, He is Indra, He is Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. Any > amount of logic discussions, reading, may not help us to realise the > truth but an ounce of practice is better than thousand discussions. > Bhagwan says in Geetha that Mama Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to > conquer my Maya. Maya is a word not invented by> > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman > which is nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that > who ever persue a partcular path with stead fast belief and guidance > of his Achrya or Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be > a discussion lin this platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. > Some may be of Devotional Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, Mind > and intellect are limited. All may not know everything. Before > critisising the other path we must fully know abot it. That is not > possible. But Going through a particular path and after reaching the > ultimate we may realise that all are same and being the goal is the > same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda Vadanthi. The same is told in > the Geeta also "Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum Bhakta: Sraddharchitum > Ichchati ....."Who ever worships me in what ever form he chooses with > devotion and with steadfast determination I Bless them in the same > form I worship. > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta > are very very deepl like ocean and a subject to be practiced and not > to be discussed. Let is stick to ours. I hope that I am not > mistaken. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ ...> wrote:> > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in > India.> > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the > Saiva> > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His effort > was> > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be> > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot eat> > grass.> > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the creation > arose> > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from > Kailasam> > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few isolated> > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed from > Siva> > to Krishna etc. arose in later times.> > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such gigantic> > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And that> > shows its antiquity.> > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to > chant 'namah> > sivaya' .> > > > chandra hari> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology, r_vani ramakrishnan> > <r_vani61@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandra Hariji,> > > Namaskar.> > > I am blessed to have a contact with you.> > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself and > my> > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs.> > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam since > all> > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam.> > > Regards,> > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > >> > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > Dear Ramkrishanji,> > > "You and the rest of your family" - if I have to say so at least 2> > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree. In > the> > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two entities > must> > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam.> > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it > mean? Is> > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when> > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad.> > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are those > adah> > and idam? Are they not two?> > > chandra hari> > >> > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan> > r_vani61@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra Hariji,> > > > Namaskar.> > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or > Illusion.> > > > This is Advaitam.> > > > Regards,> > > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > >> > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or Dvaitam?> > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan> > > > r_vani61@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that is> > > > Parabrahman.> > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even > though> > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent and> > perish in some time. 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Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear sir, You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to understand Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. Veda fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open mind. Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is described.Vyapakatvat Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah:Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts. Who is just sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different forms of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema Vardandtu magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are both identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I could explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms and qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it interesting and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not concuss ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. Hari Venkataraman dollarmoni <sriram.nayak wrote: Rashmikantji,Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking questions that have origin in veda/puranas/shastras to an astrology group. The reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of puranas/ ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden meanings of planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly inadequate. The replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have seen this happening in all astrology groups. As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses are used on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have happened before.All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other Vedangas. This is because Vedas are apaurusheya.In case of any conflict between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be taken and others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; buddha, krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none disagrees here.Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line from Mahopanishad is there:eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau nemedyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana who existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma nor Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not a hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various other benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas (mind); unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is not one chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy to his best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or Agni or Pushan, areall substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH | vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat.h ||This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'from Vishnu.So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whosedifferent forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again inthe scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, are said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman (R.V 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense that one is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' brahman, that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' omniscient?). Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheadingRudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat.h'). This appears in TaiitariyaAranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the control of ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some call it devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made Rudra, Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given the bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (forchanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi etc. Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the Being on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of Lord Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of Lakshmi-Narayana)daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in puranas as chaturavadana rani).I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. That has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions and is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri Vedavyasa himself, the 'organiser of vedas"I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati.regardssriram nayak , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote:>> PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & SARASWATIJI> I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS OF SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> PLEASE TELL ME> > THANKS> RASHMIKANT> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> Re: Time - an illusion> > Dear Sir,> > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its existence. Be > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is the > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. This is > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" is the only > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their "ism" > properly. > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific sect. If > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this world > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Trying to confine the absolute > power and the eligibility to experience it to one particular > darshanam is absolute ignorance. It is really sad to know that people > whom we assume to be spiritual and look towards for guidance > themselves think in such a narrow minded way. > > Regards,> Jyothi> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is > not mere concept; but it is experiance. The people opposing Sankara > says he is Maya Vadi and Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never > contradicted the experiances of Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds > further and proves the ultimate truth. Advaita is most > scientific.Highest intellectuals. great scientists, thinkers have > accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharishi > are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is possible and > practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any other > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach > ultimate Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara > also explains the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established > Shanmatha i.e. the Six paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not > mere negation; it is positive perfection and ultimate realisation. > Shri> > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi but > yet he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana > Saraswati was also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. All > the forms and names of different Devatas, Deities are many but > ultimately they are all of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa > even practised the Western Religions and revealed all these paths > leads to ultimate, all-pervading, Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, Gnana, > Vairagya,Tapas, Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate > ourselves. The ultimate truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says "Sa > Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa Indra: Sa: Akshara: Paramaswarat" --He is Shiva, He > is Hari, He is Indra, He is Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. Any > amount of logic discussions, reading, may not help us to realise the > truth but an ounce of practice is better than thousand discussions. > Bhagwan says in Geetha that Mama Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to > conquer my Maya. Maya is a word not invented by> > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman > which is nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that > who ever persue a partcular path with stead fast belief and guidance > of his Achrya or Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be > a discussion lin this platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. > Some may be of Devotional Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, Mind > and intellect are limited. All may not know everything. Before > critisising the other path we must fully know abot it. That is not > possible. But Going through a particular path and after reaching the > ultimate we may realise that all are same and being the goal is the > same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda Vadanthi. The same is told in > the Geeta also "Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum Bhakta: Sraddharchitum > Ichchati ....."Who ever worships me in what ever form he chooses with > devotion and with steadfast determination I Bless them in the same > form I worship. > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta > are very very deepl like ocean and a subject to be practiced and not > to be discussed. Let is stick to ours. I hope that I am not > mistaken. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ ...> wrote:> > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in > India.> > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the > Saiva> > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His effort > was> > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be> > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot eat> > grass.> > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the creation > arose> > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from > Kailasam> > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few isolated> > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed from > Siva> > to Krishna etc. arose in later times.> > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such gigantic> > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And that> > shows its antiquity.> > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to > chant 'namah> > sivaya' .> > > > chandra hari> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani ramakrishnan> > <r_vani61@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandra Hariji,> > > Namaskar.> > > I am blessed to have a contact with you.> > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself and > my> > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs.> > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam since > all> > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam.> > > Regards,> > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > >> > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > Dear Ramkrishanji,> > > "You and the rest of your family" - if I have to say so at least 2> > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree. In > the> > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two entities > must> > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam.> > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it > mean? Is> > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when> > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad.> > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are those > adah> > and idam? Are they not two?> > > chandra hari> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan> > r_vani61@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra Hariji,> > > > Namaskar.> > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or > Illusion.> > > > This is Advaitam.> > > > Regards,> > > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > >> > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or Dvaitam?> > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan> > > > r_vani61@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that is> > > > Parabrahman.> > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even > though> > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent and> > perish in some time. Thats why it is said,> > > > Brahma satyam - Jaganmithya.> > > > Regards,> > > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox.> >> > > > > > _______________________> Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs> Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear Venkataraman ji,==>"Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah:Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.<== Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort to the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or call it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_hari wrote:>> Dear sir, > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to understand Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. Veda fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open mind. Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is described.Vyapakatvat Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah:Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts. Who is just sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different forms of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema Vardandtu magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are both identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I could explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms and qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it interesting and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not concuss ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak wrote:> > > Rashmikantji,> > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking questions > that have origin in veda/puranas/shastras to an astrology group. The > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of puranas/ > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden meanings of > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly inadequate. The > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have seen > this happening in all astrology groups. > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses are used > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have happened > before.> All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other Vedangas. > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya.In case of any conflict > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be taken and > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; buddha, > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none disagrees here.> > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line from > Mahopanishad is there:> eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana who > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma nor > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not a > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various other > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas (mind); > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is not one > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy to his > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or Agni or > Pushan, are> all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH | > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat.h ||> > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> from Vishnu.> So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, are > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman (R.V > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense that one > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' brahman, > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' omniscient?). > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading> Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat.h'). This appears in Taiitariya> Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the control of > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some call it > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made Rudra, > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given the > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for> chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi etc. > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the Being > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of Lord > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > Lakshmi-Narayana)daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in puranas > as chaturavadana rani).> > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. That > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions and > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri Vedavyasa > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati.> > regards> sriram nayak> > , rashmi patel > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> >> > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & SARASWATIJI> > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS OF > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > PLEASE TELL ME> > > > THANKS> > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > Re: Time - an illusion> > > > Dear Sir,> > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its existence. > Be > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is > the > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. This > is > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" is the > only > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their "ism" > > properly. > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific sect. > If > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this world > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Trying to confine the > absolute > > power and the eligibility to experience it to one particular > > darshanam is absolute ignorance. It is really sad to know that > people > > whom we assume to be spiritual and look towards for guidance > > themselves think in such a narrow minded way. > > > > Regards,> > Jyothi> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman > Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is > > not mere concept; but it is experiance. The people opposing > Sankara > > says he is Maya Vadi and Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never > > contradicted the experiances of Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds > > further and proves the ultimate truth. Advaita is most > > scientific.Highest intellectuals. great scientists, thinkers have > > accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > Maharishi > > are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is possible and > > practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any other > > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of > > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach > > ultimate Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara > > also explains the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established > > Shanmatha i.e. the Six paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not > > mere negation; it is positive perfection and ultimate realisation. > > Shri> > > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi > but > > yet he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana > > Saraswati was also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. > All > > the forms and names of different Devatas, Deities are many but > > ultimately they are all of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa > > even practised the Western Religions and revealed all these paths > > leads to ultimate, all-pervading, Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, > Gnana, > > Vairagya,Tapas, Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate > > ourselves. The ultimate truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says "Sa > > Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa Indra: Sa: Akshara: Paramaswarat" --He is > Shiva, He > > is Hari, He is Indra, He is Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. > Any > > amount of logic discussions, reading, may not help us to realise > the > > truth but an ounce of practice is better than thousand > discussions. > > Bhagwan says in Geetha that Mama Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to > > conquer my Maya. Maya is a word not invented by> > > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman > > which is nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that > > who ever persue a partcular path with stead fast belief and > guidance > > of his Achrya or Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be > > a discussion lin this platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. > > Some may be of Devotional Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, > Mind > > and intellect are limited. All may not know everything. Before > > critisising the other path we must fully know abot it. That is not > > possible. But Going through a particular path and after reaching > the > > ultimate we may realise that all are same and being the goal is > the > > same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda Vadanthi. The same is told > in > > the Geeta also "Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum Bhakta: Sraddharchitum > > Ichchati ....."Who ever worships me in what ever form he chooses > with > > devotion and with steadfast determination I Bless them in the same > > form I worship. > > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta > > are very very deepl like ocean and a subject to be practiced and > not > > to be discussed. Let is stick to ours. I hope that I am not > > mistaken. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in > > India.> > > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the > > Saiva> > > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His > effort > > was> > > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be> > > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot > eat> > > grass.> > > > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the > creation > > arose> > > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from > > Kailasam> > > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few > isolated> > > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed > from > > Siva> > > to Krishna etc. arose in later times.> > > > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such > gigantic> > > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And > that> > > shows its antiquity.> > > > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to > > chant 'namah> > > sivaya' .> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan> > > <r_vani61@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra Hariji,> > > > Namaskar.> > > > I am blessed to have a contact with you.> > > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself > and > > my> > > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs.> > > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam > since > > all> > > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam.> > > > Regards,> > > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > >> > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > Dear Ramkrishanji,> > > > "You and the rest of your family" - if I have to say so at > least 2> > > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree. > In > > the> > > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two > entities > > must> > > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam.> > > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it > > mean? Is> > > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when> > > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad.> > > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are > those > > adah> > > and idam? Are they not two?> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > > ramakrishnan> > > r_vani61@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji,> > > > > Namaskar.> > > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or > > Illusion.> > > > > This is Advaitam.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > > >> > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or Dvaitam?> > > > >> > > > > chandra hari> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > > ramakrishnan> > > > > r_vani61@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that > is> > > > > Parabrahman.> > > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even > > though> > > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent > and> > > perish in some time. Thats why it is said,> > > > > Brahma satyam - Jaganmithya.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > here.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________> _______________> > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www./r/hs> >> > > > > > > > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 On Dec 11, 2007 12:13 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > ==> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah:Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena > Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > <== > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the word > 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort to the > consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' means 'Primordial > ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or call it higgs ocean in modern > terms). It is the ocean/water from which everything sprouts - i.e. life, > cosmic spears, and the universe itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are > interchangeable words - meaning the same, pointing to the same 'primordial > occean'. That is not right. ApaH is indeed used for water. It is nitya bahuvachana (plural) and streelinga (feminine). The terms 'Aposhana' (sipping of water before the meal), 'ApodevatA' (presiding deities of water), and regular maarjana mantras such as 'Apo hishhthhaa mayobhuvaH' help us infer that the word 'ApaH' refer to waters. It is just that in the above verse (Apo nArA iti proktA), which is found in multiple puranas and Mahabharata, the _interpretation_ is that of primordial waters because Narayana is said to rest on this water. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, ==> > It is just that in the above verse (Apo nArA iti > proktA), which is found in multiple puranas > and Mahabharata, the _interpretation_ is that of primordial waters > because Narayana is said to rest on this water. <== It is good to note that, you agree that in the context of the above sloka 'ApaH' means 'primordial waters'. Other other instances of the word as used in Vedas and Puranas, it will only have the 'Karma kanda' related meaning and no symbilic and more valueable meaning? Let it be 'Aposhana','ApodevatA' or the mantras like 'Apo hishhthhaa mayobhuvaH' there to the case could be the same. Love, Sreenadh Now let us look at the other examples you mentioned - ==> > ApaH is indeed used for water. It is nitya > bahuvachana (plural) and streelinga (feminine). > The terms 'Aposhana' (sipping of water before the meal), 'ApodevatA' > (presiding deities of water), and regular maarjana mantras such > as 'Apo hishhthhaa mayobhuvaH' help us infer that the word 'ApaH' > refer to waters. <== , " Krishna K " <krishna.kadiri wrote: > > On Dec 11, 2007 12:13 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah:Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena > > Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > <== > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the word > > 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort to the > > consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' means 'Primordial > > ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or call it higgs ocean in modern > > terms). It is the ocean/water from which everything sprouts - i.e. life, > > cosmic spears, and the universe itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are > > interchangeable words - meaning the same, pointing to the same 'primordial > > occean'. > > That is not right. ApaH is indeed used for water. It is nitya > bahuvachana (plural) and streelinga (feminine). > The terms 'Aposhana' (sipping of water before the meal), 'ApodevatA' > (presiding deities of water), > and regular maarjana mantras such as 'Apo hishhthhaa mayobhuvaH' help > us infer that the word 'ApaH' > refer to waters. It is just that in the above verse (Apo nArA iti > proktA), which is found in multiple puranas > and Mahabharata, the _interpretation_ is that of primordial waters > because Narayana is said to rest on > this water. > > Regards, > Krishna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Dear Seenadhji, Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in this sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum Sarvam, Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the inherent power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the potential Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam Pushpam Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, man attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with Mother Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial Prana Shakti. With regards, Hari Venkataraman. Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Venkataraman ji,==>"Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah:Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.<== Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort to the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or call it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_hari wrote:>> Dear sir, > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to understand Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. Veda fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open mind. Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is described.Vyapakatvat Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah:Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts. Who is just sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different forms of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema Vardandtu magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are both identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I could explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms and qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it interesting and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not concuss ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak wrote:> > > Rashmikantji,> > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking questions > that have origin in veda/puranas/shastras to an astrology group. The > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of puranas/ > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden meanings of > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly inadequate. The > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have seen > this happening in all astrology groups. > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses are used > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have happened > before.> All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other Vedangas. > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya.In case of any conflict > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be taken and > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; buddha, > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none disagrees here.> > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line from > Mahopanishad is there:> eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana who > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma nor > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not a > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various other > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas (mind); > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is not one > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy to his > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or Agni or > Pushan, are> all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH | > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat.h ||> > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> from Vishnu.> So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, are > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman (R.V > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense that one > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' brahman, > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' omniscient?). > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading> Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat.h'). This appears in Taiitariya> Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the control of > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some call it > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made Rudra, > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given the > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for> chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi etc. > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the Being > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of Lord > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > Lakshmi-Narayana)daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in puranas > as chaturavadana rani).> > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. That > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions and > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri Vedavyasa > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati.> > regards> sriram nayak> > , rashmi patel > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> >> > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & SARASWATIJI> > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS OF > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > PLEASE TELL ME> > > > THANKS> > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > Re: Time - an illusion> > > > Dear Sir,> > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its existence. > Be > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is > the > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. This > is > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" is the > only > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their "ism" > > properly. > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific sect. > If > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this world > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Trying to confine the > absolute > > power and the eligibility to experience it to one particular > > darshanam is absolute ignorance. It is really sad to know that > people > > whom we assume to be spiritual and look towards for guidance > > themselves think in such a narrow minded way. > > > > Regards,> > Jyothi> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman > Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is > > not mere concept; but it is experiance. The people opposing > Sankara > > says he is Maya Vadi and Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never > > contradicted the experiances of Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds > > further and proves the ultimate truth. Advaita is most > > scientific.Highest intellectuals. great scientists, thinkers have > > accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > Maharishi > > are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is possible and > > practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any other > > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of > > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach > > ultimate Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara > > also explains the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established > > Shanmatha i.e. the Six paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not > > mere negation; it is positive perfection and ultimate realisation. > > Shri> > > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi > but > > yet he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana > > Saraswati was also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. > All > > the forms and names of different Devatas, Deities are many but > > ultimately they are all of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa > > even practised the Western Religions and revealed all these paths > > leads to ultimate, all-pervading, Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, > Gnana, > > Vairagya,Tapas, Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate > > ourselves. The ultimate truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says "Sa > > Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa Indra: Sa: Akshara: Paramaswarat" --He is > Shiva, He > > is Hari, He is Indra, He is Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. > Any > > amount of logic discussions, reading, may not help us to realise > the > > truth but an ounce of practice is better than thousand > discussions. > > Bhagwan says in Geetha that Mama Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to > > conquer my Maya. Maya is a word not invented by> > > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman > > which is nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that > > who ever persue a partcular path with stead fast belief and > guidance > > of his Achrya or Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be > > a discussion lin this platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. > > Some may be of Devotional Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, > Mind > > and intellect are limited. All may not know everything. Before > > critisising the other path we must fully know abot it. That is not > > possible. But Going through a particular path and after reaching > the > > ultimate we may realise that all are same and being the goal is > the > > same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda Vadanthi. The same is told > in > > the Geeta also "Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum Bhakta: Sraddharchitum > > Ichchati ....."Who ever worships me in what ever form he chooses > with > > devotion and with steadfast determination I Bless them in the same > > form I worship. > > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta > > are very very deepl like ocean and a subject to be practiced and > not > > to be discussed. Let is stick to ours. I hope that I am not > > mistaken. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in > > India.> > > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the > > Saiva> > > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His > effort > > was> > > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be> > > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot > eat> > > grass.> > > > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the > creation > > arose> > > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from > > Kailasam> > > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few > isolated> > > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed > from > > Siva> > > to Krishna etc. arose in later times.> > > > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such > gigantic> > > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And > that> > > shows its antiquity.> > > > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to > > chant 'namah> > > sivaya' .> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan> > > <r_vani61@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra Hariji,> > > > Namaskar.> > > > I am blessed to have a contact with you.> > > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself > and > > my> > > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs.> > > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam > since > > all> > > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam.> > > > Regards,> > > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > >> > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > Dear Ramkrishanji,> > > > "You and the rest of your family" - if I have to say so at > least 2> > > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree. > In > > the> > > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two > entities > > must> > > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam.> > > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it > > mean? Is> > > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when> > > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad.> > > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are > those > > adah> > > and idam? Are they not two?> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > > ramakrishnan> > > r_vani61@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji,> > > > > Namaskar.> > > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or > > Illusion.> > > > > This is Advaitam.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > > >> > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or Dvaitam?> > > > >> > > > > chandra hari> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > > ramakrishnan> > > > > r_vani61@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that > is> > > > > Parabrahman.> > > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even > > though> > > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent > and> > > perish in some time. Thats why it is said,> > > > > Brahma satyam - Jaganmithya.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > here.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________> _______________> > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www./r/hs> >> > > > > > > > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox.> Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 dear Rashmikant, goddess Lakshmiji and Goddess Saraswathiji were born by themselves .so also goddess parvathiji.in subsequent incarnations Laksmiji was born to samudra.Goddesses Lakshmiji,parvathiji and Saraswathiji are consorts of lord Vishnu,Lord Siva and Lord Brahma respectively. regards, subrahmanyam > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & SARASWATIJI > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS OF SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > PLEASE TELL ME > > THANKS > RASHMIKANT > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > Re: Time - an illusion > > Dear Sir, > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its existence. Be > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is the > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. This is > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is the only > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > properly. > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific sect. If > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this world > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Trying to confine the absolute > power and the eligibility to experience it to one particular > darshanam is absolute ignorance. It is really sad to know that people > whom we assume to be spiritual and look towards for guidance > themselves think in such a narrow minded way. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is > not mere concept; but it is experiance. The people opposing Sankara > says he is Maya Vadi and Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never > contradicted the experiances of Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds > further and proves the ultimate truth. Advaita is most > scientific.Highest intellectuals. great scientists, thinkers have > accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharishi > are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is possible and > practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any other > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach > ultimate Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara > also explains the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established > Shanmatha i.e. the Six paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not > mere negation; it is positive perfection and ultimate realisation. > Shri > > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi but > yet he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana > Saraswati was also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. All > the forms and names of different Devatas, Deities are many but > ultimately they are all of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa > even practised the Western Religions and revealed all these paths > leads to ultimate, all-pervading, Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, Gnana, > Vairagya,Tapas, Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate > ourselves. The ultimate truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says " Sa > Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa Indra: Sa: Akshara: Paramaswarat " --He is Shiva, He > is Hari, He is Indra, He is Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. Any > amount of logic discussions, reading, may not help us to realise the > truth but an ounce of practice is better than thousand discussions. > Bhagwan says in Geetha that Mama Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to > conquer my Maya. Maya is a word not invented by > > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman > which is nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that > who ever persue a partcular path with stead fast belief and guidance > of his Achrya or Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be > a discussion lin this platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. > Some may be of Devotional Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, Mind > and intellect are limited. All may not know everything. Before > critisising the other path we must fully know abot it. That is not > possible. But Going through a particular path and after reaching the > ultimate we may realise that all are same and being the goal is the > same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda Vadanthi. The same is told in > the Geeta also " Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum Bhakta: Sraddharchitum > Ichchati ..... " Who ever worships me in what ever form he chooses with > devotion and with steadfast determination I Bless them in the same > form I worship. > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta > are very very deepl like ocean and a subject to be practiced and not > to be discussed. Let is stick to ours. I hope that I am not > mistaken. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in > India. > > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the > Saiva > > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His effort > was > > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be > > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot eat > > grass. > > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the creation > arose > > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from > Kailasam > > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few isolated > > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed from > Siva > > to Krishna etc. arose in later times. > > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such gigantic > > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And that > > shows its antiquity. > > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to > chant 'namah > > sivaya' . > > > > chandra hari > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani ramakrishnan > > <r_vani61@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > Namaskar. > > > I am blessed to have a contact with you. > > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself and > my > > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs. > > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam since > all > > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam. > > > Regards, > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > Dear Ramkrishanji, > > > " You and the rest of your family " - if I have to say so at least 2 > > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree. In > the > > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two entities > must > > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam. > > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it > mean? Is > > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when > > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad. > > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are those > adah > > and idam? Are they not two? > > > chandra hari > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or > Illusion. > > > > This is Advaitam. > > > > Regards, > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or Dvaitam? > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani > ramakrishnan > > > > r_vani61@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that is > > > > Parabrahman. > > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even > though > > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent and > > perish in some time. Thats why it is said, > > > > Brahma satyam - Jaganmithya. > > > > Regards, > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox. > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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