Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Dear Ashji, I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is what I understood from one of the articles. (http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because 12th lord from it is posited there). If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. " If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its primary > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and 11th are > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is enhanced. > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per KAS, 12th > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is for quality. > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality of 3rd > house is enhanced. > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. in primary > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from 3rd and > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity heap. > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so say u are > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house becomes > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are timing job > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 bindu (it > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 bindus means > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect so, say if > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th and 9th > house. > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the cost of 3 > other house. > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus (which is > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), so they > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects will be > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 bindus > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we consider it > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th house with say > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be with -5 on > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and its > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord in 12th > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Gopal Goel > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > ; kiran.rama > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > dear Kiranji, > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house lords in > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good results. > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be placed in 8th > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish tendencies, > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his livelihood. He > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply to Virgo > and PISCES ascendants. > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal tendencies , yet he > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall in Lagna. > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the signification of the > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in own ,exaltation or > friendly signs. > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact of > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also protect > the house. > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are placed in > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his own > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not be good > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he will be in > habit to blame others. > > Regards, > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > To Sreenadhji: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding on the > same: > Please help me in doing so: > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th house, Will > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the period of > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction to the > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic or during > periods of the house lord also? > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, 6th lord in > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad significations > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house cause > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good things of > the house? > > Thanks > Kiran > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in this > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum Sarvam, > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the inherent > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the potential > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, man > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with Mother > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > Prana Shakti. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > ==> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > <== > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort to > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or call > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to understand > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. Veda > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open mind. > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is just > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different forms > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema Vardandtu > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are both > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I could > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms and > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it interesting > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not concuss > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > questions > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology group. > The > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of puranas/ > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden meanings > of > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly inadequate. > The > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > seen > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses are > used > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > happened > > > before. > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > Vedangas. > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be taken > and > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; buddha, > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none disagrees > here. > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line from > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana who > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma nor > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not a > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > other > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > (mind); > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is not > one > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy to > his > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or Agni > or > > > Pushan, are > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH | > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva t.h || > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > from Vishnu. > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, are > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > (R.V > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense that > one > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > brahman, > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > omniscient?) . > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in Taiitariya > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the control > of > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some call > it > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > Rudra, > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given the > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi etc. > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > Being > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of Lord > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > puranas > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > That > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > and > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri Vedavyasa > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > regards > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> astrology@ . > com, rashmi patel > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > SARASWATIJI > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS > OF > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> astrology@ . > com > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > existence. > > > Be > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is > > > the > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. > This > > > is > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is > the > > > only > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > sect. > > > If > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this > world > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin > > > > _____ > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_5/*http:/in..messenger.y ahoo.co > m/webmessengerpromo.php> to know how. > _____ > > > Forgot the famous last words? 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Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Dear Group, This question was asked to me in another group. I thought this might benefit the members of KAS group so am posting it here as well. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Ash [kas] Thursday December 13, 2007 12:05 PM ' ' RE: Re: To Ashji Dear Jyothi, Please refer to me as Ash. 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the 12th house which is fixed. So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house would be enhanced. Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things. Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be spoilt). So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I can say is that, assume a person’s 4th house (timing of event) is not powerful means he himself can’t even own a car or a house but at the same time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your questions below. 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house a Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th from B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in less effort. 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good authority. Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good authority but there is a difference J. So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house looses status and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by that planet is enhanced. Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th are called VRY isn’t it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all houses. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: Re: To Ashji Dear Ashji, I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is what I understood from one of the articles. (http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because 12th lord from it is posited there). If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. " If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its primary > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and 11th are > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is enhanced. > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per KAS, 12th > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is for quality. > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality of 3rd > house is enhanced. > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. in primary > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from 3rd and > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity heap. > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so say u are > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house becomes > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are timing job > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 bindu (it > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 bindus means > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect so, say if > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th and 9th > house. > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the cost of 3 > other house. > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus (which is > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), so they > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects will be > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 bindus > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we consider it > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th house with say > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be with -5 on > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and its > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord in 12th > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Gopal Goel > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > ; kiran.rama > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > dear Kiranji, > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house lords in > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good results. > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be placed in 8th > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish tendencies, > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his livelihood. He > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply to Virgo > and PISCES ascendants. > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal tendencies , yet he > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall in Lagna. > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the signification of the > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in own ,exaltation or > friendly signs. > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact of > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also protect > the house. > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are placed in > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his own > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not be good > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he will be in > habit to blame others. > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > To Sreenadhji: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding on the > same: > Please help me in doing so: > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th house, Will > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the period of > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction to the > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic or during > periods of the house lord also? > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, 6th lord in > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad significations > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house cause > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good things of > the house? > > Thanks > Kiran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Dear Jyothi, Please refer to me as Ash. 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the 12th house which is fixed. So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house would be enhanced. Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things. Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be spoilt). So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I can say is that, assume a person’s 4th house (timing of event) is not powerful means he himself can’t even own a car or a house but at the same time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your questions below. 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house a Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th from B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in less effort. 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good authority. Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good authority but there is a difference J. So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house looses status and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by that planet is enhanced. Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th are called VRY isn’t it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all houses. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: Re: To Ashji Dear Ashji, I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is what I understood from one of the articles. (http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because 12th lord from it is posited there). If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. " If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its primary > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and 11th are > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is enhanced. > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per KAS, 12th > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is for quality. > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality of 3rd > house is enhanced. > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. in primary > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from 3rd and > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity heap. > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so say u are > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house becomes > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are timing job > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 bindu (it > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 bindus means > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect so, say if > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th and 9th > house. > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the cost of 3 > other house. > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus (which is > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), so they > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects will be > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 bindus > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we consider it > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th house with say > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be with -5 on > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and its > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord in 12th > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Gopal Goel > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > ; kiran.rama > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > dear Kiranji, > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house lords in > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good results. > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be placed in 8th > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish tendencies, > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his livelihood. He > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply to Virgo > and PISCES ascendants. > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal tendencies , yet he > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall in Lagna. > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the signification of the > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in own ,exaltation or > friendly signs. > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact of > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also protect > the house. > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are placed in > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his own > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not be good > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he will be in > habit to blame others. > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > To Sreenadhji: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding on the > same: > Please help me in doing so: > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th house, Will > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the period of > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction to the > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic or during > periods of the house lord also? > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, 6th lord in > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad significations > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house cause > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good things of > the house? > > Thanks > Kiran > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in this > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum Sarvam, > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the inherent > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the potential > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, man > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with Mother > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > Prana Shakti. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > ==> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > <== > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort to > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or call > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to understand > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. Veda > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open mind. > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is just > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different forms > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema Vardandtu > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are both > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I could > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms and > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it interesting > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not concuss > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > questions > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology group. > The > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of puranas/ > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden meanings > of > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly inadequate. > The > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > seen > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses are > used > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > happened > > > before. > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > Vedangas. > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be taken > and > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; buddha, > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none disagrees > here. > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line from > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana who > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma nor > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not a > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > other > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > (mind); > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is not > one > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy to > his > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or Agni > or > > > Pushan, are > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH | > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva t.h || > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > from Vishnu. > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, are > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > (R.V > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense that > one > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > brahman, > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > omniscient?) . > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in Taiitariya > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the control > of > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some call > it > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > Rudra, > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given the > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi etc. > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > Being > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of Lord > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > puranas > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > That > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > and > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri Vedavyasa > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > regards > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> astrology@ . > com, rashmi patel > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > SARASWATIJI > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS > OF > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> astrology@ . > com > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > existence. > > > Be > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is > > > the > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. > This > > > is > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is > the > > > only > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > sect. > > > If > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this > world > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin > > > > _____ > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Dear Sandhya, Lol…. Your mail made me smile thanks. Actually, this is exactly the reason why there is such less material about Astakavarga in the existing texts and also about nadi. Everyone wants quick solutions. Actually, it took my teacher 3 days pre-computer times or pre-calculator times to cast the chart manually and do all the calculations before even venturing into making predictions, and this is based on the Ashtakavarga system i.e KAS and nadis. Now imagine, if this was the source of lively hood of some families the it would mean that he or she would not get money for 3 days i.e. assuming everything casted was perfect in the first attempt, what would that astrologer do to feed his family. So over time, people might have taken the shorter route. However don’t you find it curious that so many great maharishis have talked and referred to Ashtakavarga. Actually with today’s technology and computers, all these calculations have become much easier and at your finger tips. Even then people find this tough, so u can only imagine, how people might have felt pre computer and calculator days. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Sandhya Nair Thursday December 13, 2007 9:52 AM Re: Re: To Ashji Very complicated stuff. I got a book from a friend but felt dizzy going through it. Sandhya jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Ashji, I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is what I understood from one of the articles. (http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because 12th lord from it is posited there). If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. " If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its primary > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and 11th are > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is enhanced. > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per KAS, 12th > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is for quality. > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality of 3rd > house is enhanced. > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. in primary > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from 3rd and > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity heap. > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so say u are > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house becomes > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are timing job > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 bindu (it > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 bindus means > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect so, say if > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th and 9th > house. > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the cost of 3 > other house. > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus (which is > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), so they > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects will be > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 bindus > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we consider it > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th house with say > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be with -5 on > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and its > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord in 12th > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Gopal Goel > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > ; kiran.rama > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > dear Kiranji, > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house lords in > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good results. > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be placed in 8th > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish tendencies, > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his livelihood. He > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply to Virgo > and PISCES ascendants. > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal tendencies , yet he > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall in Lagna. > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the signification of the > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in own ,exaltation or > friendly signs. > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact of > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also protect > the house. > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are placed in > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his own > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not be good > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he will be in > habit to blame others. > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > To Sreenadhji: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding on the > same: > Please help me in doing so: > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th house, Will > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the period of > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction to the > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic or during > periods of the house lord also? > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, 6th lord in > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad significations > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house cause > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good things of > the house? > > Thanks > Kiran > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in this > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum Sarvam, > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the inherent > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the potential > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, man > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with Mother > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > Prana Shakti. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > ==> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > <== > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort to > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or call > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to understand > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. Veda > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open mind. > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is just > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different forms > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema Vardandtu > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are both > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I could > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms and > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it interesting > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not concuss > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > questions > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology group. > The > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of puranas/ > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden meanings > of > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly inadequate. > The > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > seen > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses are > used > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > happened > > > before. > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > Vedangas. > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be taken > and > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; buddha, > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none disagrees > here. > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line from > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana who > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma nor > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not a > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > other > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > (mind); > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is not > one > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy to > his > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or Agni > or > > > Pushan, are > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH | > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva t.h || > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > from Vishnu. > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, are > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > (R.V > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense that > one > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > brahman, > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > omniscient?) . > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in Taiitariya > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the control > of > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some call > it > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > Rudra, > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given the > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi etc. > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > Being > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of Lord > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > puranas > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > That > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > and > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri Vedavyasa > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > regards > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> astrology@ . > com, rashmi patel > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > SARASWATIJI > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS > OF > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> astrology@ . > com > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > existence. > > > Be > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is > > > the > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. > This > > > is > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is > the > > > only > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > sect. > > > If > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this > world > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin > > > > _____ > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Dear Sandhya, Actually, to really know what is complicated I would suggest u to do one exercise. Take any chart that is given, and then just start to pen down all the yogas both good and bad in the chart and this is with respect to each planet with each other and also with lagna and also their contras. For example, every one knows that Ju with moon is called Gaj Kesari Yog. Now, if both Ju and Mo are in 12th house then find the relation of Ju with lagna and note down allt he yogs, then note all the yogs that Ju means with mo, ma, su, me, ve and sa and also ju with respect to its postion with lagna. Then do the same for all other planets. Then find all the special yogs such as neech bhanga yog and their “exceptions” i.e if a planet is in Kendra as unccha and then neecha in navamsa and vice versa etc etc, so start to include the D chars as well. Then study all that from lagna, sun and moon as maharishis have asked us to calculate the same from all 3. After u have done that exercise sincerely, real v/s apparent complication will become crystal clear. Also after that, u will actually realize that Ashtakavarga infact makes Jyotish Shastra easy especially if these calculations are now done at your finger tips and that realization that you do not have to remember all the different yogas and their contras as all these things are automatically taken into account when casting the SAV. Once u do upto here we can then embark on the calculations of finding the aspectual strength, conjunctions and other factors based on the calculations that is done above. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Sandhya Nair Thursday December 13, 2007 9:52 AM Re: Re: To Ashji Very complicated stuff. I got a book from a friend but felt dizzy going through it. Sandhya jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Ashji, I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is what I understood from one of the articles. (http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because 12th lord from it is posited there). If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. " If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. Regards, Jyothi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Dear Ash, Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house? In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.) I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house > would be enhanced. > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things. > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be > spoilt). > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is not > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at the same > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your > questions below. > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house a > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th from > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in > less effort. > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > authority. > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house looses status > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by > that planet is enhanced. > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all > houses. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ashji, > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > what I understood from one of the articles. > (http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by > them gets enhanced. " > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > primary > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > 11th are > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > enhanced. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > KAS, 12th > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > goes in > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > for quality. > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality > of 3rd > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > in primary > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > 3rd and > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > heap. > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > say u are > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > becomes > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > timing job > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 > bindu (it > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > bindus means > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > so, say if > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > and 9th > > house. > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > cost of 3 > > other house. > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > (which is > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > so they > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects > will be > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 > bindus > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > consider it > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > house with say > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > with -5 on > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and > its > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord > in 12th > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology ; kiran.rama > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house > lords in > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > results. > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > placed in 8th > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > tendencies, > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > livelihood. He > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > to Virgo > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > tendencies , yet he > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > in Lagna. > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > signification of the > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > own ,exaltation or > > friendly signs. > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact > of > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also > protect > > the house. > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are > placed in > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > own > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not > be good > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > will be in > > habit to blame others. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > on the > > same: > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > house, Will > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > period of > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > to the > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > or during > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > 6th lord in > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > significations > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > cause > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > things of > > the house? > > > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > this > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > Sarvam, > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > inherent > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > potential > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > man > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > Mother > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > > Prana Shakti. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > ==> > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > Poorvam > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > <== > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > to > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > call > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > understand > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > Veda > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > mind. > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > just > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > forms > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > Vardandtu > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > both > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > could > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > and > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > interesting > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > concuss > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > questions > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > group. > > The > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > puranas/ > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > meanings > > of > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > inadequate. > > The > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > > seen > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > are > > used > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > happened > > > > before. > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > Vedangas. > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > taken > > and > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > buddha, > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > disagrees > > here. > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > from > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > who > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > nor > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not > a > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > other > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > (mind); > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > not > > one > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > to > > his > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > Agni > > or > > > > Pushan, are > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH > | > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > t.h || > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > are > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > > (R.V > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > that > > one > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > brahman, > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > omniscient?) . > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > Taiitariya > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > control > > of > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > call > > it > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > Rudra, > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > the > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > etc. > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > Being > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > Lord > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > puranas > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > > That > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > > and > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > Vedavyasa > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> astrology@ > . > > com, rashmi patel > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > DAUGHTERS > > OF > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> astrology@ > . > > com > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear Jyotiben, Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords improve the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going into this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai traffic jams. Now your experience of your observations in divorce cases, 7HL going to 12H does has its share of reasons for separation i.e. 7H- kama bhava lord going to 12H- a moksha & "vyaya" and is 6H from 7H....so controversies galore !! 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard work THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or satisfactory. Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL is getting to 8H, then indicates more of spiritual nature/developments. Same holds good for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have left out public favorite Vipareet Raja Yogas,....etc.}. The HL going to 11H from itself always enhances or strengthens its bhava - is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is very good for longevity. Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those respective charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know from your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or she}, taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going to 12H means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for divorce - when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then simply give some statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in industry {gues-timate} I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !! It would be great to learn from your experiences. , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house? In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.) I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards,Jyothi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear Goel saab, I appreciate and acknolwedge that you have been consistently posting something or other since you joined this group. Thank you for the same. Being your "Guru bhai" take the privelege of agreeing and disagreeing on few points. 1) In all HL in 6H or 8H or 12H...etc... never forget the Lagna i.e. native himself. The hororscope belongs to him not to 7H !! 2) 7HL going to 12H does not give deception, as stated in my earlier post, it is 6H from 7H, so differences or "arguments" takes place resulting into serious irrevocable differences. 3) I have requested Jyotiben to share her observations for I am laying little emphasis on 7H-kama bhava, 12H - moksha bhava, so it 12H is on a higher pedestal,....so the "irrevocable" differences 4) If 7H is afflicted then career is also affected indirectly for it is 10H from 10H. { Jyotiben kindly do share that all those divorce cases in your data bank, comment on the career status in general} 5) 7HL going to 12H, then the native is idling in his work, resulting to unstable career...{ who wants a employee whose is not doing his job properly but involved in other hobbies i.e. 12H is 3H from 10H. 3H is also hobbies. For we are taking about 10H, then it means issues other than work i.e. idle office gossip, politics, chamchagiri, ....etc.. { this I call them office hobbies}. 6) Goel saab, please tell me in your normal analysis, which one you consider { we have excluded Rahu & Ketu, cases of debilitated planets...etc..in this } - dispositor or navamsa Lord or nakshatra of that planet. 7) If you were to consider all the three (Point 6) then I am sure , one would not be able to arrive at any prediction !! 8) Depending upon your response on (6), would comment later on your point (4) {The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement}. with regards, Sreeram Srinivas , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji, 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord of a house 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are very important to access the effects 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage. Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion. Important Note : Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the significance of 12th house . The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under: Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment Secondary Karkas : Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonment,misfortune,bad habits,secret nemies Jupiter- donations,heaven Ketu- salvation Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Hey guys, Let me drive in. I am not going to cruise like Sreeram though. 7th lord in 12th is in double jeopardy. One, lord kameswara is 6 steps away from his puram. Not a happy situation. Two, he/she is severed from destination: spouse. 12th is severence from 1st. Laxmiben is articulate but a little addled with regard to, say, how bad is 8th vis-a-vis 3rd? And she has a sensitive, discriminating palate which she thinks ALONE is ENOUGH for savouring far-flung variety, but I promise I'd feed her good, solid staple first. We'll revisit this, Sreeramgaru. RK sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Dear Jyotiben, Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords improve the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going into this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai traffic jams. Now your experience of your observations in divorce cases, 7HL going to 12H does has its share of reasons for separation i.e. 7H- kama bhava lord going to 12H- a moksha & "vyaya" and is 6H from 7H....so controversies galore !! 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard work THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or satisfactory. Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL is getting to 8H, then indicates more of spiritual nature/developments. Same holds good for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have left out public favorite Vipareet Raja Yogas,....etc.}. The HL going to 11H from itself always enhances or strengthens its bhava - is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is very good for longevity. Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those respective charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know from your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or she}, taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going to 12H means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for divorce - when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then simply give some statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in industry {gues-timate} I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !! It would be great to learn from your experiences. , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house? In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.) I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards,Jyothi Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear Goel and Lakshmi, I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with. Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th house of the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That will enhance the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of growth, heap and prosperity. So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th house results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house results. Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs are present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of divorce, for example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or sun and 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars and 7th lords. So such things we check separately. Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2 different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality or result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart then there might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in extreme cases there it might be denied. I shall reply revert to Jyoti’s mail separately. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S N; Kedar M N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa; Dikshit Re: Re: To Ashji Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji, 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord of a house 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are very important to access the effects 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage. Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary upachaya). So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th lord i.e Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for 7th house significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for dual lord ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced by being placed in 12th house. Karak sthan is 2nd house – As per old tradition, marriages were initiated by families. Phal sthan is 7th – House under focus Phalit Sthan is 11th – life long friend gained in the form of wife. Karak is 6th house so legally related. 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. – These are in upachaya from Karak i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and 12th house is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd. 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and 7th house is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house. 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as pleasures in this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha sthan and on Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that the cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house. Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house and 3rd is the karak for death. So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then its in upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no meaning of upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed. Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion. Important Note : Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the significance of 12th house . The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under: Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment Secondary Karkas : Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonment,misfortune,bad habits,secret enemies Jupiter- donations,heaven Ketu- salvation Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ----- Original Message ---- jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM Re: To Ashji Dear Ash, Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house? In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.) I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards, Jyothi ancient_indian_ astrology, " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house > would be enhanced. > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things. > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be > spoilt). > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is not > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at the same > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your > questions below. > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house a > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th from > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in > less effort. > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > authority. > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house looses status > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by > that planet is enhanced. > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all > houses. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca> http://www.ashtro. ca > > _____ > > ancient_indian_ astrology > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > ancient_indian_ astrology > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ashji, > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > what I understood from one of the articles. > (http://www3. > <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa rriage.htm> > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm) > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by > them gets enhanced. " > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % 40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com, " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > primary > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > 11th are > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > enhanced. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > KAS, 12th > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > goes in > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > for quality. > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality > of 3rd > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > in primary > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > 3rd and > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > heap. > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > say u are > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > becomes > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > timing job > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 > bindu (it > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > bindus means > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > so, say if > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > and 9th > > house. > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > cost of 3 > > other house. > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > (which is > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > so they > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects > will be > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 > bindus > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > consider it > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > house with say > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > with -5 on > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and > its > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord > in 12th > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro. ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % 40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com > > [ancient_ indian_ > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % 40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com; kiran.rama > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house > lords in > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > results. > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > placed in 8th > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > tendencies, > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his > livelihood. He > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > to Virgo > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > tendencies , yet he > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > in Lagna. > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > signification of the > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > own ,exaltation or > > friendly signs. > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact > of > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also > protect > > the house. > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are > placed in > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > own > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not > be good > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > will be in > > habit to blame others. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % 40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > on the > > same: > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > house, Will > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > period of > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > to the > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > or during > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > 6th lord in > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > significations > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > cause > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > things of > > the house? > > > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > this > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > Sarvam, > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > inherent > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > potential > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > man > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > Mother > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > > Prana Shakti. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > ==> > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > Poorvam > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > <== > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > to > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > call > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > understand > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > Veda > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > mind. > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > described..Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > just > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > forms > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > Vardandtu > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > both > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > could > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > and > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > interesting > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > concuss > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > questions > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > group. > > The > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > puranas/ > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > meanings > > of > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > inadequate. > > The > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > > seen > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > are > > used > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > happened > > > > before. > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > Vedangas. > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > taken > > and > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > buddha, > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > disagrees > > here. > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > from > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > who > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > nor > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not > a > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > other > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > (mind); > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > not > > one > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > to > > his > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > Agni > > or > > > > Pushan, are > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH > | > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > t.h || > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > are > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > > (R.V > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > that > > one > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > brahman, > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > omniscient?) . > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in > Taiitariya > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > control > > of > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > call > > it > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > Rudra, > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > the > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > etc.. > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > Being > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > Lord > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > puranas > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > > That > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > > and > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > Vedavyasa > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > . > > com, rashmi patel > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > DAUGHTERS > > OF > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > . > > com > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear Jyothi, In my previous mail I have said at the outset that – Timing of Event and Quality of Event are 2 different things. Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or navamsa. Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce. These are some of the laws. Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or planets having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart using the KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra lord of 4th or 12th lord. Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system. Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over and there is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give marriage. This is as far as timing of event is concerned. Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or in 6th lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce depending. So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event with quality of event. Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are enhanced. The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it’s the house of growth, heap and prosperity. For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father, guru, 12th house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old system), 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls father checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so authority house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other words that success of marriage would be falling in love and having children. 5th from 1st and 11th from 7th. So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that 12th house is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya theory. Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power planet for marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet then Mercury only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes strongest significator. It is also 6th lord. Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface. So as an analogy, if a “bad event happened” then high power planets or 12th or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth, heap and prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try to FLUSH out the “bad” marriage, so if they are powerful then such a marriage will break. Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they will feel bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing out the bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she will feel that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to marry someone else and have a happier life. This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight that “Timing of Event” is different from “Quality of Event” Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha in 12th house for Gemini lagna. If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th lord is in 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or House he will enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him with a 4 wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat. So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have good sight, but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. So she might have yog’s for weak eyesight, but at the same time she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from someone else’s eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd house is enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the happiness from them even though she might be away so things like that. So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if there are yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be due to 7th lord being in 12th house. Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most malefic house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are opposites. 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling. 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so u can call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc. So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets placed in that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers and it’s the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house. Yes another thing, I wanted to share. As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the chart, and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st or 5th lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power means as per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am keeping the “feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it would be a very sad and tragic event” . I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the definition of good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events happen in highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house under focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or 4th lord and malefic events happen in low power planet. So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd house and 5th or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation from 8th. So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have been considered as Malefic house. Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the moksh triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual plane and 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical plane so we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical plane. 8th house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of moksh triplicty and its on spiritual plane.. So 12th house in no way can be bad. I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My only concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that one has to understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That is not understood then I don’t think anything I will say will be understood because many things that are as per KAS might see “apparently” against the normal understanding of Jyotish. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: Re: To Ashji Dear Ash, Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house? In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.) I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house > would be enhanced. > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things. > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be > spoilt). > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is not > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at the same > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your > questions below. > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house a > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th from > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in > less effort. > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > authority. > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house looses status > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by > that planet is enhanced. > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all > houses. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ashji, > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > what I understood from one of the articles. > (http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by > them gets enhanced. " > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > primary > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > 11th are > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > enhanced. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > KAS, 12th > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > goes in > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > for quality. > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality > of 3rd > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > in primary > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > 3rd and > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > heap. > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > say u are > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > becomes > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > timing job > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 > bindu (it > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > bindus means > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > so, say if > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > and 9th > > house. > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > cost of 3 > > other house. > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > (which is > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > so they > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects > will be > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 > bindus > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > consider it > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > house with say > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > with -5 on > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and > its > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord > in 12th > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology ; kiran.rama > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house > lords in > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > results. > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > placed in 8th > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > tendencies, > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > livelihood. He > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > to Virgo > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > tendencies , yet he > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > in Lagna. > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > signification of the > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > own ,exaltation or > > friendly signs. > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact > of > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also > protect > > the house. > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are > placed in > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > own > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not > be good > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > will be in > > habit to blame others. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > on the > > same: > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > house, Will > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > period of > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > to the > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > or during > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > 6th lord in > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > significations > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > cause > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > things of > > the house? > > > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > this > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > Sarvam, > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > inherent > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > potential > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > man > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > Mother > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > > Prana Shakti. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > ==> > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > Poorvam > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > <== > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > to > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > call > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > understand > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > Veda > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > mind. > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > just > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > forms > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > Vardandtu > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > both > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > could > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > and > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > interesting > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > concuss > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > questions > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > group. > > The > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > puranas/ > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > meanings > > of > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > inadequate. > > The > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > > seen > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > are > > used > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > happened > > > > before. > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > Vedangas. > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > taken > > and > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > buddha, > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > disagrees > > here. > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > from > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > who > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > nor > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not > a > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > other > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > (mind); > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > not > > one > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > to > > his > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > Agni > > or > > > > Pushan, are > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH > | > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > t.h || > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > are > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > > (R.V > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > that > > one > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > brahman, > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > omniscient?) . > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > Taiitariya > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > control > > of > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > call > > it > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > Rudra, > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > the > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > etc. > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > Being > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > Lord > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > puranas > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > > That > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > > and > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > Vedavyasa > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> astrology@ > . > > com, rashmi patel > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > DAUGHTERS > > OF > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> astrology@ > . > > com > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for the detailed reply. For time being let me concentrate on 7th lord in 12th. Rest I will digest properly and ask you later. Interesting way of looking at things. Rather I would like to say it is like " Being positive " . Even if one had a divorce, we can say " It happened for good " , or rephrasing your words, " rotten elements are flushed out from our life paving a way for fresh elements to come in " . So that is in short the results of planets in 12th, at least wrt 7th lord in 12th. So I hope, a person with 7th lord in 12th can expect a second marriage which will be good?? If you dont mind my asking, what is the guarantee that it will be good? I mean what is the surety that the second marriage that happens because of the " upachaya " quality of 12th will NOT be a rotten one? Or will this (flushing) become a cyclic process (flush out-come in-flush out -come in)as the 7th lord in 12th is not going to change its postion even after a second marraige? Where is the end? Or is it that a second marriage will not happen and the person becomes eternally free of all commitments and got " moksh " from the cycle of marraiges? KAS theory seems interesting anyway. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > In my previous mail I have said at the outset that - Timing of Event and > Quality of Event are 2 different things. > > > > Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example > as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun > distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and > Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and > Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of > Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being > 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th > house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its > 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or navamsa. > > > > Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if > they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce. > > > > These are some of the laws. > > > > Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or planets > having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart using the > KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such > marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra lord of 4th > or 12th lord. > > > > Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system. > > > > Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over and there > is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give marriage. > This is as far as timing of event is concerned. > > > > Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or in 6th > lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce depending. > > > > > > So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event with quality > of event. > > > > Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are enhanced. > > > > The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it's the house of growth, heap and > prosperity. > > > > For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father, guru, 12th > house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old system), > 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls father > checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so authority > house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other words that > success of marriage would be falling in love and having children. 5th from > 1st and 11th from 7th. > > > > So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that 12th house > is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya theory. > Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power planet for > marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet then Mercury > only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes strongest > significator. It is also 6th lord. > > > > Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface. > > > > So as an analogy, if a " bad event happened " then high power planets or 12th > or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth, heap and > prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try to FLUSH > out the " bad " marriage, so if they are powerful then such a marriage will > break. > > > > Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they will feel > bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing out the > bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she will feel > that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to marry > someone else and have a happier life. > > > > This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight that > " Timing of Event " is different from " Quality of Event " > > > > > > Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha in 12th > house for Gemini lagna. > > > > If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th lord is in > 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or House he will > enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him with a 4 > wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat. > > > > So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have good sight, > but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. > > > > So she might have yog's for weak eyesight, but at the same time she will > enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from someone > else's eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd house is > enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the happiness from > them even though she might be away so things like that. > > > > > > So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if there are > yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be due to > 7th lord being in 12th house. > > > > Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most malefic > house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are opposites. > 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is > unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling. > > > > 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so u can > call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc. > > > > So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets placed in > that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers and it's > the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house. > > > > > > Yes another thing, I wanted to share. > > > > As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the chart, > and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st or 5th > lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power means as > per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am keeping the > " feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it would be a > very sad and tragic event " . > > > > I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the definition of > good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events happen in > highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house under > focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or 4th lord > and malefic events happen in low power planet. > > > > So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd house and 5th > or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation from 8th. > So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have been > considered as Malefic house. > > > > Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the moksh > triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual plane and > 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical plane so > we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical plane. 8th > house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of moksh > triplicty and its on spiritual plane.. > > > > So 12th house in no way can be bad. > > > > I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My only > concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that one has to > understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That is not > understood then I don't think anything I will say will be understood because > many things that are as per KAS might see " apparently " against the normal > understanding of Jyotish. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > kiran.rama > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean, > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Jyotiben, In this days of internet marriages, BPO marriages, happened to see few cases closely known to me, where the well " arranged " marriages happened, saw that the dasha prevailing had some good connections to 6H & 8H.....infact the mahadasha lord was also weak, resulted in divorce proceedings within 6 months of marriage - 3 nos cases. In another interesting case, divorce proceedings started immediately a day after the marriage !! Here, the dasha was all ok ok. Where did it go wrong...checked the Muhurta...got the answer...... So 7HL in 12H, in certain cases, can still sustain marriage, if a good muhurat is worked out. The muhurat of marriage { Tying the three knots or Pheras {Going Round} around the fire}, is not a question of timing, there lies a great astrology i.e. Gods get invoked for their blessings. If you were to tell me the muhurat time, then I will tell you which Gods i.e. of the nine planets is " angry " !! and what are its results / consequences. Late Sri Z. Ansari the co-founder of BVB, New Delhi, was an expert on this !! In conclusion, the muhurat is not just about auspiocious time as the panditji's make it, but the time has to be selected considering the hororscopes of both bride & bridegroom. I once had to attend the marriage function of my junior colleague's sister { generally avoid for they are more of - " eating out " occasions atleast in Northern India, rather a auspious event gracing} , where the muhurat was fixed by the Bridegroom's family pandit, to which I intensely disagreed and it was alove affair, bridegroom parents were found very fussy....so they did not want me to argue which may effect things later. Later, patiently built up some rapport with the panditji, for 3 hrs, assessed his astro_strengths, reasoned with him on the choosen muhurat.....he found me asking him some core questions for which he did not have answers.....later told in plain Agra Hindi, that we both want the marriage to survive....so why not accept what I am proposing....luckily for me...he relented..... {the boy is a airforce pilot...and his dasha was NOT good...Rahu -Mars period is coming in end 2008-2009 period, when Jupiter goes into debilitation...etc..}...Girl's chart was showing second marriage....boy's chart was showing a serious accident....can be fatality or bodily handicap...etc... in short it is a serious case... Need to wait and see what happens,....... Cannot share somethings in public for protecting the technique falling in wrong hands, would suggest if your friend should she go for re-marry......let us pool and do some needful astrology for your friends..... { contact offline} With regards, sreeram srinivas , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for the detailed reply. For time being let me concentrate on 7th lord in 12th. Rest I will digest properly and ask you later. Interesting way of looking at things. Rather I would like to say it is like " Being positive " . Even if one had a divorce, we can say " It happened for good " , or rephrasing your words, " rotten elements are flushed out from our life paving a way for fresh elements to come in " . So that is in short the results of planets in 12th, at least wrt 7th lord in 12th. So I hope, a person with 7th lord in 12th can expect a second marriage which will be good?? If you dont mind my asking, what is the guarantee that it will be good? I mean what is the surety that the second marriage that happens because of the " upachaya " quality of 12th will NOT be a rotten one? Or will this (flushing) become a cyclic process (flush out-come in-flush out -come in)as the 7th lord in 12th is not going to change its postion even after a second marraige? Where is the end? Or is it that a second marriage will not happen and the person becomes eternally free of all commitments and got " moksh " from the cycle of marraiges? KAS theory seems interesting anyway. Regards, Jyothi > > > , " Ash " kas@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > In my previous mail I have said at the outset that - Timing of > Event and > > Quality of Event are 2 different things. > > > > > > > > Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for > example > > as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to > Sun > > distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by > Saturn and > > Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than > 3deg20 and > > Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in > nakshtra of > > Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, > Ju being > > 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in > 7th > > house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly > it its > > 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or > navamsa. > > > > > > > > Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th > lords if > > they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce. > > > > > > > > These are some of the laws. > > > > > > > > Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or > planets > > having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart > using the > > KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such > > marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra > lord of 4th > > or 12th lord. > > > > > > > > Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system. > > > > > > > > Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over > and there > > is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give > marriage. > > This is as far as timing of event is concerned. > > > > > > > > Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or > in 6th > > lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce > depending. > > > > > > > > > > > > So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event > with quality > > of event. > > > > > > > > Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are > enhanced. > > > > > > > > The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it's the house of growth, heap > and > > prosperity. > > > > > > > > For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father, > guru, 12th > > house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old > system), > > 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls > father > > checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so > authority > > house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other > words that > > success of marriage would be falling in love and having children. > 5th from > > 1st and 11th from 7th. > > > > > > > > So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that > 12th house > > is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power > planet for > > marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet > then Mercury > > only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes > strongest > > significator. It is also 6th lord. > > > > > > > > Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface. > > > > > > > > So as an analogy, if a " bad event happened " then high power planets > or 12th > > or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth, > heap and > > prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try > to FLUSH > > out the " bad " marriage, so if they are powerful then such a > marriage will > > break. > > > > > > > > Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they > will feel > > bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing > out the > > bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she > will feel > > that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to > marry > > someone else and have a happier life. > > > > > > > > This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight > that > > " Timing of Event " is different from " Quality of Event " > > > > > > > > > > > > Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha > in 12th > > house for Gemini lagna. > > > > > > > > If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th > lord is in > > 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or > House he will > > enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him > with a 4 > > wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat. > > > > > > > > So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have > good sight, > > but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. > > > > > > > > So she might have yog's for weak eyesight, but at the same time she > will > > enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from > someone > > else's eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd > house is > > enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the > happiness from > > them even though she might be away so things like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if > there are > > yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be > due to > > 7th lord being in 12th house. > > > > > > > > Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most > malefic > > house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are > opposites. > > 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is > > unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling. > > > > > > > > 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so > u can > > call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc. > > > > > > > > So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets > placed in > > that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers > and it's > > the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes another thing, I wanted to share. > > > > > > > > As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the > chart, > > and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st > or 5th > > lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power > means as > > per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am > keeping the > > " feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it > would be a > > very sad and tragic event " . > > > > > > > > I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the > definition of > > good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events > happen in > > highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house > under > > focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or > 4th lord > > and malefic events happen in low power planet. > > > > > > > > So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd > house and 5th > > or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation > from 8th. > > So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have > been > > considered as Malefic house. > > > > > > > > Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the > moksh > > triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual > plane and > > 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical > plane so > > we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical > plane. 8th > > house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of > moksh > > triplicty and its on spiritual plane.. > > > > > > > > So 12th house in no way can be bad. > > > > > > > > I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My > only > > concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that > one has to > > understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That > is not > > understood then I don't think anything I will say will be > understood because > > many things that are as per KAS might see " apparently " against the > normal > > understanding of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > chart is the > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > planets placed > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > placed in the > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > house > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > distinguish > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > karak sthan > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > spoilt then > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > generally > > say that > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > life > > will be > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > house > > of the > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > an > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > quality, I > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > not > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > the same > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > such > > a person > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > be > > given by > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > one is > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > answer your > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > 10th is > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > of > > a person > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > in 9th so > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > house a > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > here such a > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > 9th lord > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > 12th > > from > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > more towards > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > now it > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > and > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > means that > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > trigger > > 12th > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > the antra > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > put in > > > less effort. > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > effort and > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > get > > things > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > Both > > are on > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > 10th > > is > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > good > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > CEO > > of a > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > looses status > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > ruled by > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > lord in 12th > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > 6th > > house is > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > 3rd > > lord goes > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > to > > all > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > (http://www3. > > > <http://www3. > > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > the > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > this > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > a > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > by > > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > the > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " Ash " > > <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > its > > > primary > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > 11th are > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > KAS, 12th > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > that > > > goes in > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > for quality. > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > quality > > > of 3rd > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > i.e. > > > in primary > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > from > > > 3rd and > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > say u are > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > house > > > becomes > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > timing job > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > than > > 4 > > > bindu (it > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > bindus means > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > aspect > > > so, say if > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > 5th > > > and 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > the > > > cost of 3 > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > (which is > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > SAV), > > > so they > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > aspects > > > will be > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > than > > 4 > > > bindus > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > consider it > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > house with say > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > with -5 on > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > and > > > its > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > lord > > > in 12th > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> > > ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of > > > Gopal Goel > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > kiran.rama > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > house > > > lords in > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > results. > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > placed in 8th > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > tendencies, > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > livelihood. He > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > apply > > > to Virgo > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > fall > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > signification of the > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > impact > > > of > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > also > > > protect > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > are > > > placed in > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > his > > > own > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > health. > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > not > > > be good > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > will be in > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > understanding > > > on the > > > > same: > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > 8th > > > house, Will > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > the > > > period of > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > obstruction > > > to the > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic > > > or during > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > 6th lord in > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > significations > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > cause > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > good > > > things of > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > in > > > this > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > world > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > Sarvam, > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > inherent > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > are > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > our > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > potential > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > The > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam > Pushpam > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > man > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > Ocean, > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > the > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > Mother > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > Primordial > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > Poorvam > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > <== > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > the > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > resort > > > to > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > (or > > > call > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > which > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > the > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > understand > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > Veda > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > mind. > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > mentioned > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara > Iti > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > is > > > just > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > Agni > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > forms > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > Vardandtu > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > both > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > Srishti. > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > of > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > inner > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > very > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > could > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > and > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > interesting > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > concuss > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > questions > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > group. > > > > The > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > puranas/ > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > meanings > > > > of > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > inadequate. > > > > The > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > are > > > > used > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > of > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > happened > > > > > > before. > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > conflict > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > taken > > > > and > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > buddha, > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > disagrees > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > line > > > from > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > who > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > Brahma > > > nor > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > not > > > a > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > various > > > > other > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > manas > > > > (mind); > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > is > > > not > > > > one > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > enemy > > > to > > > > his > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > or > > > Agni > > > > or > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > havirbhiH > > > | > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > control, > > > are > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > Brahman > > > > (R.V > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > that > > > > one > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > is > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > brahman, > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > beheading > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > shira > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > control > > > > of > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > ugraM > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > made > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > given > > > the > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > etc. > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > the > > > > Being > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > of > > > Lord > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > of > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > in > > > > puranas > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > mail. > > > > That > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > injunctions > > > > and > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > OF > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > > > > existence. > > > > > > Be > > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute > > reality > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > > > Christianity. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in > history > > > or > > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " > > is > > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > > > their " ism " > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any > specific > > > > sect. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in > > this > > > > world > > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > > > Avila, > > > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Dash-ing saab, Surely will revisit this topic.....sooner and later....shall wait for you to continue your postings....which were long pending..... with regards, sreeram srinivas , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: Hey guys, Let me drive in. I am not going to cruise like Sreeram though. 7th lord in 12th is in double jeopardy. One, lord kameswara is 6 steps away from his puram. Not a happy situation. Two, he/she is severed from destination: spouse. 12th is severence from 1st. Laxmiben is articulate but a little addled with regard to, say, how bad is 8th vis-a-vis 3rd? And she has a sensitive, discriminating palate which she thinks ALONE is ENOUGH for savouring far-flung variety, but I promise I'd feed her good, solid staple first. We'll revisit this, Sreeramgaru. RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Sreeramji, How do you check if the dasa lord is strong? Is it by checking if the dasa lord is in own or exalted sign? Or is it by checking the ashtavarga points in the sign of the planet? Regards, jyothi , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear Jyotiben, > > In this days of internet marriages, BPO marriages, happened to see few > cases closely known to me, where the well " arranged " marriages > happened, saw that the dasha prevailing had some good connections to > 6H & 8H.....infact the mahadasha lord was also weak, resulted in > divorce proceedings within 6 months of marriage - 3 nos cases. > > In another interesting case, divorce proceedings started immediately a > day after the marriage !! Here, the dasha was all ok ok. Where did > it go wrong...checked the Muhurta...got the answer...... > > So 7HL in 12H, in certain cases, can still sustain marriage, if a good > muhurat is worked out. The muhurat of marriage { Tying the three knots > or Pheras {Going Round} around the fire}, is not a question of timing, > there lies a great astrology i.e. Gods get invoked for their blessings. > If you were to tell me the muhurat time, then I will tell you which Gods > i.e. of the nine planets is " angry " !! and what are its results / > consequences. > > Late Sri Z. Ansari the co-founder of BVB, New Delhi, was an expert on > this !! > > In conclusion, the muhurat is not just about auspiocious time as the > panditji's make it, but the time has to be selected considering the > hororscopes of both bride & bridegroom. > > I once had to attend the marriage function of my junior colleague's > sister { generally avoid for they are more of - " eating out " occasions > atleast in Northern India, rather a auspious event gracing} , where the > muhurat was fixed by the Bridegroom's family pandit, to which I > intensely disagreed and it was alove affair, bridegroom parents were > found very fussy....so they did not want me to argue which may effect > things later. > > Later, patiently built up some rapport with the panditji, for 3 hrs, > assessed his astro_strengths, reasoned with him on the choosen > muhurat.....he found me asking him some core questions for which he did > not have answers.....later told in plain Agra Hindi, that we both want > the marriage to survive....so why not accept what I am > proposing....luckily for me...he relented..... {the boy is a airforce > pilot...and his dasha was NOT good...Rahu -Mars period is coming in end > 2008-2009 period, when Jupiter goes into debilitation...etc..}...Girl's > chart was showing second marriage....boy's chart was showing a serious > accident....can be fatality or bodily handicap...etc... in short it is > a serious case... > > Need to wait and see what happens,....... > > Cannot share somethings in public for protecting the technique falling > in wrong hands, would suggest if your friend should she go for > re-marry......let us pool and do some needful astrology for your > friends..... { contact offline} > > With regards, > > sreeram srinivas > > > > > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks a lot for the detailed reply. For time being let me > concentrate on 7th lord in 12th. Rest I will digest properly and ask > you later. > > Interesting way of looking at things. Rather I would like to say it > is like " Being positive " . Even if one had a divorce, we can say " It > happened for good " , or rephrasing your words, " rotten elements are > flushed out from our life paving a way for fresh elements to come > in " . So that is in short the results of planets in 12th, at least wrt > 7th lord in 12th. So I hope, a person with 7th lord in 12th can > expect a second marriage which will be good?? If you dont mind my > asking, what is the guarantee that it will be good? I mean what is > the surety that the second marriage that happens because of > the " upachaya " quality of 12th will NOT be a rotten one? Or will this > (flushing) become a cyclic process (flush out-come in-flush out - come > in)as the 7th lord in 12th is not going to change its postion even > after a second marraige? Where is the end? Or is it that a second > marriage will not happen and the person becomes eternally free of all > commitments and got " moksh " from the cycle of marraiges? > > KAS theory seems interesting anyway. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > > > > > > , " Ash " kas@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > In my previous mail I have said at the outset that - Timing of > > Event and > > > Quality of Event are 2 different things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for > > example > > > as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to > > Sun > > > distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by > > Saturn and > > > Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than > > 3deg20 and > > > Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in > > nakshtra of > > > Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, > > Ju being > > > 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in > > 7th > > > house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly > > it its > > > 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th > > lords if > > > they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are some of the laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or > > planets > > > having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart > > using the > > > KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such > > > marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra > > lord of 4th > > > or 12th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over > > and there > > > is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give > > marriage. > > > This is as far as timing of event is concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or > > in 6th > > > lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce > > depending. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event > > with quality > > > of event. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it's the house of growth, heap > > and > > > prosperity. > > > > > > > > > > > > For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father, > > guru, 12th > > > house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old > > system), > > > 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls > > father > > > checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so > > authority > > > house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other > > words that > > > success of marriage would be falling in love and having children. > > 5th from > > > 1st and 11th from 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that > > 12th house > > > is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power > > planet for > > > marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet > > then Mercury > > > only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes > > strongest > > > significator. It is also 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface. > > > > > > > > > > > > So as an analogy, if a " bad event happened " then high power planets > > or 12th > > > or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth, > > heap and > > > prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try > > to FLUSH > > > out the " bad " marriage, so if they are powerful then such a > > marriage will > > > break. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they > > will feel > > > bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing > > out the > > > bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she > > will feel > > > that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to > > marry > > > someone else and have a happier life. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight > > that > > > " Timing of Event " is different from " Quality of Event " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha > > in 12th > > > house for Gemini lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th > > lord is in > > > 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or > > House he will > > > enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him > > with a 4 > > > wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have > > good sight, > > > but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So she might have yog's for weak eyesight, but at the same time she > > will > > > enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from > > someone > > > else's eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd > > house is > > > enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the > > happiness from > > > them even though she might be away so things like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if > > there are > > > yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be > > due to > > > 7th lord being in 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most > > malefic > > > house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are > > opposites. > > > 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is > > > unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so > > u can > > > call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets > > placed in > > > that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers > > and it's > > > the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes another thing, I wanted to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the > > chart, > > > and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st > > or 5th > > > lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power > > means as > > > per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am > > keeping the > > > " feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it > > would be a > > > very sad and tragic event " . > > > > > > > > > > > > I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the > > definition of > > > good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events > > happen in > > > highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house > > under > > > focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or > > 4th lord > > > and malefic events happen in low power planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd > > house and 5th > > > or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation > > from 8th. > > > So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have > > been > > > considered as Malefic house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the > > moksh > > > triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual > > plane and > > > 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical > > plane so > > > we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical > > plane. 8th > > > house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of > > moksh > > > triplicty and its on spiritual plane.. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house in no way can be bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My > > only > > > concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that > > one has to > > > understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That > > is not > > > understood then I don't think anything I will say will be > > understood because > > > many things that are as per KAS might see " apparently " against the > > normal > > > understanding of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > > > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > > known > > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > > is > > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > > it > > > only the 12th house? > > > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > > can > > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > > not > > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > > here; > > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > > exalted > > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > > least > > > that is what I have seen. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > > chart is the > > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > > planets placed > > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > > placed in the > > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > > house > > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > > distinguish > > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > > karak sthan > > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > > spoilt then > > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > > generally > > > say that > > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > > life > > > will be > > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > > house > > > of the > > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > > an > > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > > quality, I > > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > > not > > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > > the same > > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > > such > > > a person > > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > > be > > > given by > > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > > one is > > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > > answer your > > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > > 10th is > > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > > of > > > a person > > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > > in 9th so > > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > > house a > > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > > here such a > > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > > 9th lord > > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > > 12th > > > from > > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > > more towards > > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > > now it > > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > > and > > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > > means that > > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > > trigger > > > 12th > > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > > the antra > > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > > put in > > > > less effort. > > > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > > effort and > > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > > get > > > things > > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > > Both > > > are on > > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > > 10th > > > is > > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > > good > > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > > CEO > > > of a > > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > > looses status > > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > > ruled by > > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > > lord in 12th > > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > > 6th > > > house is > > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > > 3rd > > > lord goes > > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > > to > > > all > > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology > > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > > (http://www3. > > > > <http://www3. > > > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > > the > > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > > this > > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > > a > > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > > by > > > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > > the > > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > > ps.com, " Ash " > > > <kas@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > > its > > > > primary > > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > > 11th are > > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > > KAS, 12th > > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > > that > > > > goes in > > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > > for quality. > > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > > quality > > > > of 3rd > > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > > i.e. > > > > in primary > > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > > from > > > > 3rd and > > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > > say u are > > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > > house > > > > becomes > > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > > timing job > > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > > than > > > 4 > > > > bindu (it > > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > > bindus means > > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > > aspect > > > > so, say if > > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > > 5th > > > > and 9th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > > the > > > > cost of 3 > > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > > (which is > > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > > SAV), > > > > so they > > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > > aspects > > > > will be > > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > > than > > > 4 > > > > bindus > > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > > consider it > > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > > house with say > > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > > with -5 on > > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > > and > > > > its > > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > > lord > > > > in 12th > > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > ca> ca> > > > http://www.ashtro. > > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > > On Behalf > > > Of > > > > Gopal Goel > > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > > kiran.rama > > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > > house > > > > lords in > > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > > placed in 8th > > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > > tendencies, > > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > > livelihood. He > > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > > apply > > > > to Virgo > > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > > fall > > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > > signification of the > > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > > impact > > > > of > > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > > also > > > > protect > > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > > are > > > > placed in > > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > > his > > > > own > > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > > health. > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > > not > > > > be good > > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > > will be in > > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > > understanding > > > > on the > > > > > same: > > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > > 8th > > > > house, Will > > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > > the > > > > period of > > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > > obstruction > > > > to the > > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > > malefic > > > > or during > > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > > 6th lord in > > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > > significations > > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > > cause > > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > > good > > > > things of > > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > > 40> > > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > > in > > > > this > > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > > world > > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > > Sarvam, > > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > > inherent > > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > > are > > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > > our > > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > > potential > > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > > The > > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam > > Pushpam > > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > > man > > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > > Ocean, > > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > > the > > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > > Mother > > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > > Primordial > > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > > Poorvam > > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > > <== > > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > > the > > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > > resort > > > > to > > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > > (or > > > > call > > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > > which > > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > > the > > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > > 40> > > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > > understand > > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > > Veda > > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > > mind. > > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > > mentioned > > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara > > Iti > > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > > is > > > > just > > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power- Energy. > > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > > Agni > > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > > forms > > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > > Vardandtu > > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > > both > > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > > Srishti. > > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > > of > > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > > inner > > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > > very > > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > > could > > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > > and > > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > > interesting > > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > > concuss > > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > > questions > > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > > group. > > > > > The > > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > > puranas/ > > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > > meanings > > > > > of > > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > > inadequate. > > > > > The > > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > > have > > > > > seen > > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > > are > > > > > used > > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > > of > > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > > happened > > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > > conflict > > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > > taken > > > > > and > > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > > buddha, > > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > > disagrees > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > > line > > > > from > > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > > who > > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > > Brahma > > > > nor > > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > > not > > > > a > > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > > various > > > > > other > > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > > manas > > > > > (mind); > > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > > is > > > > not > > > > > one > > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > > enemy > > > > to > > > > > his > > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > > or > > > > Agni > > > > > or > > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > > havirbhiH > > > > | > > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > > control, > > > > are > > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > > Brahman > > > > > (R.V > > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > > that > > > > > one > > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > > is > > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > > brahman, > > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > > beheading > > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > > shira > > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > > control > > > > > of > > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > > call > > > > > it > > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > > ugraM > > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > > made > > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > > given > > > > the > > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > > etc. > > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > > the > > > > > Being > > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > > of > > > > Lord > > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > > of > > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > > in > > > > > puranas > > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > > mail. > > > > > That > > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > > injunctions > > > > > and > > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and > > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > > OF > > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > com > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Jyothi, A Bindu is a benefic point and Rekha is a malefic point. We use Bindu i.e. a benefic point, because the purpose of Jyotish is to help people. That is why all the calculations in the KAS program and in the KAS system is based on Bindu. You question on how many marriages, for that also there are yogs and ways you can find that. Also we would hope that with age and experience will come wisdom. We also have to identify and judge the nature of a person. Say if a person who has Venus to Sun distance greater than 43deg20 and at the same time Saturn aspects such a Venus and also if Saturn aspects luminary and say if the lagna bindus are more than 34 and say if Venus is in libra then such a person might not want to commit and enjoy life. Such things would get enhanced if Venus say was in 12th house and with mars and Rahu. So again that is basic’s of VA. Now for such a person if he or she is forced into marriage u can imagine what might result. This is also to be studied with respect to Desh, Kaal and Paatra. So a person with such a yog in Saudi Arabia might react differently from that living in say India or north America or even say based on Religion for example if someone is a staunch Roman Catholic then there cannot be a divorce and only under very strict conditions. So then we have to apply ourselves. But yes, the good and bad is defined based on points. Planets getting more than 12 points are good or have good power to deliver happy event and also that of 6th and 10th lord from the House under Focus. If someone considers Death as a malefic event, then automatically, 8th, 12th and 3rd house become malefic or “Dushtana”. Otherwise infact 8th house is Karak for 1st house. Natural 8th lord is Mars and a person with strong Mars has good individuality. So I guess it’s a matter of Perspective. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Saturday December 15, 2007 1:27 AM Subject: Re: To Ashji Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for the detailed reply. For time being let me concentrate on 7th lord in 12th. Rest I will digest properly and ask you later. Interesting way of looking at things. Rather I would like to say it is like " Being positive " . Even if one had a divorce, we can say " It happened for good " , or rephrasing your words, " rotten elements are flushed out from our life paving a way for fresh elements to come in " . So that is in short the results of planets in 12th, at least wrt 7th lord in 12th. So I hope, a person with 7th lord in 12th can expect a second marriage which will be good?? If you dont mind my asking, what is the guarantee that it will be good? I mean what is the surety that the second marriage that happens because of the " upachaya " quality of 12th will NOT be a rotten one? Or will this (flushing) become a cyclic process (flush out-come in-flush out -come in)as the 7th lord in 12th is not going to change its postion even after a second marraige? Where is the end? Or is it that a second marriage will not happen and the person becomes eternally free of all commitments and got " moksh " from the cycle of marraiges? KAS theory seems interesting anyway. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > In my previous mail I have said at the outset that - Timing of Event and > Quality of Event are 2 different things. > > > > Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example > as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun > distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and > Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and > Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of > Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being > 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th > house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its > 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or navamsa. > > > > Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if > they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce. > > > > These are some of the laws. > > > > Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or planets > having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart using the > KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such > marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra lord of 4th > or 12th lord. > > > > Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system. > > > > Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over and there > is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give marriage. > This is as far as timing of event is concerned. > > > > Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or in 6th > lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce depending. > > > > > > So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event with quality > of event. > > > > Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are enhanced. > > > > The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it's the house of growth, heap and > prosperity. > > > > For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father, guru, 12th > house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old system), > 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls father > checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so authority > house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other words that > success of marriage would be falling in love and having children. 5th from > 1st and 11th from 7th. > > > > So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that 12th house > is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya theory. > > > > > > > > Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power planet for > marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet then Mercury > only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes strongest > significator. It is also 6th lord. > > > > Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface. > > > > So as an analogy, if a " bad event happened " then high power planets or 12th > or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth, heap and > prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try to FLUSH > out the " bad " marriage, so if they are powerful then such a marriage will > break. > > > > Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they will feel > bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing out the > bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she will feel > that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to marry > someone else and have a happier life. > > > > This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight that > " Timing of Event " is different from " Quality of Event " > > > > > > Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha in 12th > house for Gemini lagna. > > > > If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th lord is in > 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or House he will > enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him with a 4 > wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat. > > > > So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have good sight, > but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. > > > > So she might have yog's for weak eyesight, but at the same time she will > enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from someone > else's eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd house is > enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the happiness from > them even though she might be away so things like that. > > > > > > So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if there are > yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be due to > 7th lord being in 12th house. > > > > Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most malefic > house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are opposites. > 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is > unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling. > > > > 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so u can > call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc. > > > > So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets placed in > that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers and it's > the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house. > > > > > > Yes another thing, I wanted to share. > > > > As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the chart, > and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st or 5th > lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power means as > per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am keeping the > " feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it would be a > very sad and tragic event " . > > > > I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the definition of > good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events happen in > highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house under > focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or 4th lord > and malefic events happen in low power planet. > > > > So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd house and 5th > or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation from 8th. > So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have been > considered as Malefic house. > > > > Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the moksh > triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual plane and > 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical plane so > we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical plane. 8th > house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of moksh > triplicty and its on spiritual plane.. > > > > So 12th house in no way can be bad. > > > > I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My only > concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that one has to > understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That is not > understood then I don't think anything I will say will be understood because > many things that are as per KAS might see " apparently " against the normal > understanding of Jyotish. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > kiran.rama > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean, > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Goel, My replies below yours in blue. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel Saturday December 15, 2007 7:58 AM Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit Re: Re: Re: To Ashji Dear Ash, It is very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile different aspects which ,on the face of it are at variance. Ash : Agreed. This is basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives material growth.This brings two aspects in focus: Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle of Upachaya place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of growth, heap and prosperity and not just in material world. 1. Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give material prosperity. If they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and Astakavarga bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful system to access this with the help of astavarga system. Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan. This is the basic, and as per KAS our very basic law explains that. The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the significator house i.e ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th from the house under focus, the house under focus and the 5th from the house under focus so if we take 7th house as house under focus then if planets are aspecting 2nd, 7th or 11th then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful samdharmis will give. Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were considered in the old age. So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd house then it will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the result, if Mars is placed in 6th house then it will aspect 12th house who is 5th from 8th house so it can’t give death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give death as it will aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will aspect 1st house who is Karak for 1st house so it can’t give 6th house result, if Mars and Saturn placed in 10th house, is very good particularly if its with less than 4 bindus as written in your next point. From 10th hosue Mars will aspect 1st house who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house result and Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can’t give result for death. So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good. With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then in KAS we not only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the power of each planet for all 12 houses in all 16 D charts. In D charts however we only add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house under focus and 5th house so we take their power from SAV and add them. To find finer details we then use Nadis. For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get the power using Ashtakavarga. Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are considered this way or that. If a malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will give lot of passion. A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native with rare bliss and good character. Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house and malefics in 10th house are good. If there is any planet in the 1st house with more than 4 bindus then such a mars or Saturn if with less than 4 bindus will become very very powerful. The other points are that Ma will aspect the 1st house and it can’t give the result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house can’t give the result of 8th house or death. Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will aspect and give power of 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so if Mars has 2 bindus and is in 10th house of the chart then Mars will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th house with +6 bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is individuality, 5th is unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th house and if it’s a male chart then one has to be more careful during conception etc etc. ALL planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and strengths. Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th house. For natural malefics in 11th house I have given the details above. Mars in 11th house will aspect 6th house and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house so can’t give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are considered to be good. One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less than 4 bindus in their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they are in upachaya sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house results as they get disqualified and at the same time, they will have 3 aspects on 3 houses with +ve dristi increase the power of the house and any planet if residing in those houses. 2. When lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the situation is not always that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more point in Astakvarga Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th house under focus then 1st house becomes the Karak. A person with good Personality and health (1st) can have good social status (6th) (it’s an analogy). So 1st lord in 6th house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the Karak for 6th will come and reside in 6th house. Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than 4 bindus then there will be 2 fold things. 1st is that it will be malefic for 6th house but that the same time it will aspect and add points to the lagna compensating it. Such Now if there are more planets aspecting the 1st house with benefic dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then even better. Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more than 4 bindus will become Karak for 11th house (success). For 6th house under focus, the primary house becomes 1st as Karak, 6th as house under focus and result or phalit sthan is 10th house. So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF has itself has good control over 1st, and 1st lord in 6th house means Karak itself has come to 6th house so the overall status of such a chart will go up. will only try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN STRENGTH WILL GENERATE RAJYOGA. 3. Thus placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house gives an information , but placement of the lord of reference house in each upchaya house from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be dealt separately. Your analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to each other , but we must view the fundamental principles in right prospective and manner. Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained eye and a person who has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this such as yourself. For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence then person or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes unthinkable or such a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than 4 bindus becomes unthinkable. As an example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic , Shiddhantic or modern astronomy are different. IN A WAY THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT THIS INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS PROGRESS IN THE FIELD OF ASTRONOMY, WHICH IS STILL CONTINUING. In the similar manner astrology is touching new heights. Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ----- Original Message ---- Ash <kas sohamsa ; Cc: atma prakash <atma5236 >; BHUSAN k <naxatra (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; Chubb Phyllis <phyllis (AT) phyllischubb (DOT) com>; Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl (AT) mail (DOT) dk>; Kapoor S N <sn_kapoor (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; Kedar M N <mnkedar (AT) radiffmail (DOT) com>; kiran.rama <kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in>; Phyllis Chubb <phyllischubb (AT) shaw (DOT) ca>; Rao K N <k_n_rao (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>; Rao K N <knrastro (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; Dikshit Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM RE: Re: Re: To Ashji Dear Goel and Lakshmi, I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with. Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th house of the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That will enhance the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of growth, heap and prosperity. So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th house results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house results. Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs are present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of divorce, for example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or sun and 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars and 7th lords. So such things we check separately. Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2 different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality or result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart then there might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in extreme cases there it might be denied. I shall reply revert to Jyoti’s mail separately. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S N; Kedar M N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa; vedic_astrology_ classes Dikshit Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji, 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord of a house 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are very important to access the effects 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage. Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary upachaya). So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th lord i.e Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for 7th house significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for dual lord ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced by being placed in 12th house. Karak sthan is 2nd house – As per old tradition, marriages were initiated by families. Phal sthan is 7th – House under focus Phalit Sthan is 11th – life long friend gained in the form of wife. Karak is 6th house so legally related. 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. – These are in upachaya from Karak i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and 12th house is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd. 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and 7th house is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house. 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as pleasures in this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha sthan and on Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that the cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house. Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house and 3rd is the karak for death. So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then its in upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no meaning of upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed. Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion. Important Note : Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the significance of 12th house . The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under: Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment Secondary Karkas : Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune, bad habits,secret enemies Jupiter- donations,heaven Ketu- salvation Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ----- Original Message ---- jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ .co. in> ancient_indian_ astrology Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji Dear Ash, Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house? In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.) I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards, Jyothi ancient_indian_ astrology, " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house > would be enhanced. > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things. > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be > spoilt). > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is not > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at the same > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your > questions below. > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house a > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th from > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in > less effort. > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > authority. > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house looses status > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by > that planet is enhanced. > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all > houses. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca> http://www.ashtro. ca > > _____ > > ancient_indian_ astrology > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > ancient_indian_ astrology > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ashji, > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > what I understood from one of the articles. > (http://www3. > <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa rriage.htm> > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm) > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by > them gets enhanced. " > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % 40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com, " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > primary > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > 11th are > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > enhanced. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > KAS, 12th > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > goes in > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > for quality. > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality > of 3rd > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > in primary > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > 3rd and > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > heap. > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > say u are > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > becomes > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > timing job > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 > bindu (it > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > bindus means > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > so, say if > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > and 9th > > house. > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > cost of 3 > > other house. > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > (which is > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > so they > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects > will be > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 > bindus > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > consider it > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > house with say > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > with -5 on > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and > its > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord > in 12th > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro. ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % 40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com > > [ancient_ indian_ > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % 40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com; kiran.rama > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house > lords in > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > results. > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > placed in 8th > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > tendencies, > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his > livelihood. He > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > to Virgo > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > tendencies , yet he > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > in Lagna. > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > signification of the > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > own ,exaltation or > > friendly signs. > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact > of > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also > protect > > the house. > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are > placed in > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > own > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not > be good > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > will be in > > habit to blame others. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % 40. com> > astrology@grou ps.com > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > on the > > same: > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > house, Will > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > period of > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > to the > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > or during > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > 6th lord in > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > significations > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > cause > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > things of > > the house? > > > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > this > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > Sarvam, > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > inherent > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > potential > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > man > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean , > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > Mother > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > > Prana Shakti. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > ==> > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > Poorvam > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > <== > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > to > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > call > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara ' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > understand > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > Veda > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > mind. > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > just > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > forms > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > Vardandtu > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > both > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > could > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > and > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > interesting > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > concuss > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > questions > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > group. > > The > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > puranas/ > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > meanings > > of > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > inadequate. > > The > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > > seen > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > are > > used > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > happened > > > > before. > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > Vedangas. > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > taken > > and > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > buddha, > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > disagrees > > here. > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > from > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > who > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > nor > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not > a > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > other > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > (mind); > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > not > > one > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > to > > his > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > Agni > > or > > > > Pushan, are > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH > | > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > t.h || > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > are > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > > (R.V > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > that > > one > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > brahman, > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > omniscient?) . > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in > Taiitariya > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > control > > of > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > call > > it > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > Rudra, > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > the > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > etc.. > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > Being > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > Lord > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > puranas > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > > That > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > > and > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > Vedavyasa > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > . > > com, rashmi patel > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > DAUGHTERS > > OF > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > . > > com > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Ash, Hope I am not pestering you. Can you please explain what you mentioned below: " For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. " What do you mean by a 'sector'? Also what do you mean by " more number of sectors of saturn " ? You mean sectors of all planets are counted and if staurn gets more count? Can you suggest any book on KAS so that I dont have to disturb you? Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Goel, > > > > My replies below yours in blue. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel > Saturday December 15, 2007 7:58 AM > > Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit > Re: Re: Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > It is very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile different > aspects which ,on the face of it are at variance. > > Ash : Agreed. > > This is basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives material > growth.This brings two aspects in focus: > > Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle of Upachaya > place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of growth, heap > and prosperity and not just in material world. > > 1. Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give material > prosperity. If they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and > > Astakavarga bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful system to > access this with the help of astavarga system. > > Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan. This is the basic, > and as per KAS our very basic law explains that. > > The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the significator house i.e > ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th from the house under > focus, the house under focus and the 5th from the house under focus so if we > take 7th house as house under focus then if planets are aspecting 2nd, 7th > or 11th then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful samdharmis > will give. > > Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were considered in the > old age. > > So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd house then it > will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the result, if Mars is > placed in 6th house then it will aspect 12th house who is 5th from 8th house > so it can't give death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give death as it > will aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will aspect 1st > house who is Karak for 1st house so it can't give 6th house result, if Mars > and Saturn placed in 10th house, is very good particularly if its with less > than 4 bindus as written in your next point. From 10th hosue Mars will > aspect 1st house who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house result and > Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can't give result for death. > > So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good. > > With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then in KAS we not > only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the power of each > planet for all 12 houses in all 16 D charts. In D charts however we only > add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house under focus and 5th > house so we take their power from SAV and add them. To find finer details > we then use Nadis. > > For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the sectors of > Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of Saturn are > there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic memory. > Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. > > With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get the power using > Ashtakavarga. > > Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are considered this way or > that. > > > > If a malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will give lot of > passion. A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native with rare bliss > and good character. > > Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house and malefics in 10th house are > good. If there is any planet in the 1st house with more than 4 bindus then > such a mars or Saturn if with less than 4 bindus will become very very > powerful. The other points are that Ma will aspect the 1st house and it > can't give the result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house can't give > the result of 8th house or death. > > Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will aspect and give power of > 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so if Mars has 2 bindus and is in > 10th house of the chart then Mars will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th house with +6 > bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is individuality, 5th is > unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th house and > if it's a male chart then one has to be more careful during conception etc > etc. > > ALL planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and strengths. > > Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th house. For natural > malefics in 11th house I have given the details above. Mars in 11th house > will aspect 6th house and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house so can't > give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are considered to > be good. > > One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less than 4 bindus in > their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they are in upachaya > sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house results as they get disqualified and > at the same time, they will have 3 aspects on 3 houses with +ve dristi > increase the power of the house and any planet if residing in those houses. > > > 2. When lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the situation is > not always that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more point in > Astakvarga > > Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th house under focus then > 1st house becomes the Karak. A person with good Personality and health > (1st) can have good social status (6th) (it's an analogy). So 1st lord in > 6th house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the Karak for 6th > will come and reside in 6th house. > > Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than 4 bindus then there will > be 2 fold things. 1st is that it will be malefic for 6th house but that > the same time it will aspect and add points to the lagna compensating it. > > Such Now if there are more planets aspecting the 1st house with benefic > dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then even better. > > Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more than 4 bindus will become Karak for > 11th house (success). > > For 6th house under focus, the primary house becomes 1st as Karak, 6th as > house under focus and result or phalit sthan is 10th house. > > So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF has itself has good control over 1st, > and 1st lord in 6th house means Karak itself has come to 6th house so the > overall status of such a chart will go up. > > will only try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN STRENGTH WILL > GENERATE RAJYOGA. > > 3. Thus placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house gives an > information , but placement of the lord of reference house in each upchaya > house from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be dealt > separately. > > Your analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to each other > , but we must view the fundamental principles in right prospective and > manner. > > Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained eye and a person who > has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this such as yourself. > For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence then person > or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes unthinkable or such > a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than 4 bindus > becomes unthinkable. > > As an example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic , Shiddhantic or > modern astronomy are different. IN A WAY THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT THIS > INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS PROGRESS IN THE FIELD OF ASTRONOMY, WHICH > IS STILL CONTINUING. > > In the similar manner astrology is touching new heights. > > Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi. > > Regards, > > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Ash <kas > sohamsa ; > Cc: atma prakash <atma5236; BHUSAN k <naxatra; Chubb > Phyllis <phyllis; Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl; > Kapoor S N <sn_kapoor; Kedar M N <mnkedar; > kiran.rama <kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb <phyllischubb; > Rao K N <k_n_rao; Rao K N <knrastro; > Dikshit > Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM > RE: Re: Re: To Ashji > > Dear Goel and Lakshmi, > > > > I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with. > > > > Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th house of > the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That will enhance > the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of growth, heap > and prosperity. > > > > So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th house > results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house results. > > > > Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs are > present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of divorce, for > example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or sun and > 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars and 7th > lords. > > > > So such things we check separately. > > > > Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2 > different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality or > result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart then there > might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in extreme cases > there it might be denied. > > > > I shall reply revert to Jyoti's mail separately. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf > Of Gopal Goel > Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM > ancient_indian_ astrology > Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S N; Kedar M > N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa; vedic_astrology_ > classes Dikshit > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji, > > 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different > > 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord > of a house > > 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are > very important to access the effects > > 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious > influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement > > 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets > > Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation > being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from > > third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is > placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage. > > > > Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya > sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary upachaya). > So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th lord i.e > Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for 7th house > significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for dual lord > ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced by being > placed in 12th house. > > > > Karak sthan is 2nd house - As per old tradition, marriages were initiated by > families. > > Phal sthan is 7th - House under focus > > Phalit Sthan is 11th - life long friend gained in the form of wife. Karak > is 6th house so legally related. > > 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. - These are in upachaya from Karak > i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and 12th house > is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd. > > > > 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and 7th house > is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house. > > > > 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as pleasures in > this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha sthan and on > Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that the > cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house. > > > > Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house and 3rd > is the karak for death. > > > > > > So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then its in > upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no meaning of > upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed. > > > > Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and > 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case > > it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by > functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion. > > Important Note : > > Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the > significance of 12th house . > > The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under: > > Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment > > Secondary Karkas : > > Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort > > Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey > > Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune, bad > habits,secret enemies > > Jupiter- donations,heaven > > Ketu- salvation > > Regards, > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ .co. in> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology, " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> astrology@ . > com] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. <http://www3./> > > <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > rriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40> , " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./> <http://www.ashtro. ca > <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca> > http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./> > > <http://www.ashtro. ca <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> ] On > Behalf Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> ; > kiran.rama > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > 40. com> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean , > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara ' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > 40. com> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc.. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > > > existence. > > > > > Be > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute > reality > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > > Christianity. > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history > > or > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " > is > > > the > > > > > only > > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > > their " ism " > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > > > sect.. > > > > > If > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in > this > > > world > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > > Avila , > > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Jyothi, You can Download the lessons that Krushanji has given from http://krushna.sageasita.com. The details about sectors etc are given in the lesson on Occoupation i.e. 21. If you download the KAS2003 from http://krushna.sageasita.com/KAS2006v3.2.1.zip or you can download the KAS program from Donna’s website from the Files and Worksheet section. There are FAQ’s Section and KAS Visuals where you can read on some important concepts that are given. Rest the discussions take place on the where you can read Krushnaji’s mails. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Saturday December 15, 2007 11:36 PM To: Re: To Ashji Dear Ash, Hope I am not pestering you. Can you please explain what you mentioned below: " For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. " What do you mean by a 'sector'? Also what do you mean by " more number of sectors of saturn " ? You mean sectors of all planets are counted and if staurn gets more count? Can you suggest any book on KAS so that I dont have to disturb you? Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Goel, > > > > My replies below yours in blue. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel > Saturday December 15, 2007 7:58 AM > > Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit > Re: Re: Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > It is very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile different > aspects which ,on the face of it are at variance. > > Ash : Agreed. > > This is basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives material > growth.This brings two aspects in focus: > > Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle of Upachaya > place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of growth, heap > and prosperity and not just in material world. > > 1. Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give material > prosperity. If they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and > > Astakavarga bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful system to > access this with the help of astavarga system. > > Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan. This is the basic, > and as per KAS our very basic law explains that. > > The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the significator house i.e > ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th from the house under > focus, the house under focus and the 5th from the house under focus so if we > take 7th house as house under focus then if planets are aspecting 2nd, 7th > or 11th then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful samdharmis > will give. > > Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were considered in the > old age. > > So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd house then it > will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the result, if Mars is > placed in 6th house then it will aspect 12th house who is 5th from 8th house > so it can't give death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give death as it > will aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will aspect 1st > house who is Karak for 1st house so it can't give 6th house result, if Mars > and Saturn placed in 10th house, is very good particularly if its with less > than 4 bindus as written in your next point. From 10th hosue Mars will > aspect 1st house who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house result and > Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can't give result for death. > > So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good. > > With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then in KAS we not > only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the power of each > planet for all 12 houses in all 16 D charts. In D charts however we only > add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house under focus and 5th > house so we take their power from SAV and add them. To find finer details > we then use Nadis. > > For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the sectors of > Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of Saturn are > there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic memory. > Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. > > With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get the power using > Ashtakavarga. > > Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are considered this way or > that. > > > > If a malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will give lot of > passion. A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native with rare bliss > and good character. > > Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house and malefics in 10th house are > good. If there is any planet in the 1st house with more than 4 bindus then > such a mars or Saturn if with less than 4 bindus will become very very > powerful. The other points are that Ma will aspect the 1st house and it > can't give the result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house can't give > the result of 8th house or death. > > Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will aspect and give power of > 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so if Mars has 2 bindus and is in > 10th house of the chart then Mars will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th house with +6 > bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is individuality, 5th is > unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th house and > if it's a male chart then one has to be more careful during conception etc > etc. > > ALL planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and strengths. > > Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th house. For natural > malefics in 11th house I have given the details above. Mars in 11th house > will aspect 6th house and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house so can't > give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are considered to > be good. > > One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less than 4 bindus in > their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they are in upachaya > sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house results as they get disqualified and > at the same time, they will have 3 aspects on 3 houses with +ve dristi > increase the power of the house and any planet if residing in those houses. > > > 2. When lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the situation is > not always that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more point in > Astakvarga > > Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th house under focus then > 1st house becomes the Karak. A person with good Personality and health > (1st) can have good social status (6th) (it's an analogy). So 1st lord in > 6th house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the Karak for 6th > will come and reside in 6th house. > > Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than 4 bindus then there will > be 2 fold things. 1st is that it will be malefic for 6th house but that > the same time it will aspect and add points to the lagna compensating it. > > Such Now if there are more planets aspecting the 1st house with benefic > dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then even better. > > Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more than 4 bindus will become Karak for > 11th house (success). > > For 6th house under focus, the primary house becomes 1st as Karak, 6th as > house under focus and result or phalit sthan is 10th house. > > So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF has itself has good control over 1st, > and 1st lord in 6th house means Karak itself has come to 6th house so the > overall status of such a chart will go up. > > will only try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN STRENGTH WILL > GENERATE RAJYOGA. > > 3. Thus placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house gives an > information , but placement of the lord of reference house in each upchaya > house from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be dealt > separately. > > Your analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to each other > , but we must view the fundamental principles in right prospective and > manner. > > Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained eye and a person who > has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this such as yourself. > For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence then person > or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes unthinkable or such > a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than 4 bindus > becomes unthinkable. > > As an example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic , Shiddhantic or > modern astronomy are different. IN A WAY THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT THIS > INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS PROGRESS IN THE FIELD OF ASTRONOMY, WHICH > IS STILL CONTINUING. > > In the similar manner astrology is touching new heights. > > Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi. > > Regards, > > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Ash <kas > sohamsa ; > Cc: atma prakash <atma5236; BHUSAN k <naxatra; Chubb > Phyllis <phyllis; Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl; > Kapoor S N <sn_kapoor; Kedar M N <mnkedar; > kiran.rama <kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb <phyllischubb; > Rao K N <k_n_rao; Rao K N <knrastro; > Dikshit > Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM > RE: Re: Re: To Ashji > > Dear Goel and Lakshmi, > > > > I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with. > > > > Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th house of > the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That will enhance > the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of growth, heap > and prosperity. > > > > So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th house > results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house results. > > > > Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs are > present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of divorce, for > example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or sun and > 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars and 7th > lords. > > > > So such things we check separately. > > > > Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2 > different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality or > result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart then there > might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in extreme cases > there it might be denied. > > > > I shall reply revert to Jyoti's mail separately. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf > Of Gopal Goel > Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM > ancient_indian_ astrology > Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S N; Kedar M > N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa; vedic_astrology_ > classes Dikshit > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji, > > 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different > > 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord > of a house > > 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are > very important to access the effects > > 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious > influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement > > 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets > > Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation > being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from > > third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is > placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage. > > > > Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya > sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary upachaya). > So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th lord i.e > Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for 7th house > significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for dual lord > ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced by being > placed in 12th house. > > > > Karak sthan is 2nd house - As per old tradition, marriages were initiated by > families. > > Phal sthan is 7th - House under focus > > Phalit Sthan is 11th - life long friend gained in the form of wife. Karak > is 6th house so legally related. > > 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. - These are in upachaya from Karak > i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and 12th house > is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd. > > > > 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and 7th house > is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house. > > > > 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as pleasures in > this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha sthan and on > Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that the > cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house. > > > > Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house and 3rd > is the karak for death. > > > > > > So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then its in > upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no meaning of > upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed. > > > > Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and > 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case > > it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by > functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion. > > Important Note : > > Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the > significance of 12th house . > > The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under: > > Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment > > Secondary Karkas : > > Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort > > Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey > > Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune, bad > habits,secret enemies > > Jupiter- donations,heaven > > Ketu- salvation > > Regards, > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ .co. in> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology, " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> astrology@ . > com] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. <http://www3./> > > <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > rriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40> , " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./> <http://www.ashtro. ca > <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca> > http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./> > > <http://www.ashtro. ca <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> ] On > Behalf Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> ; > kiran.rama > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > 40. com> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > 40. com> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean , > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara ' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > 40. com> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc.. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear Ash ji , Your response is interesting and thought provoking. I shall study and revert back if I need some further clarifications. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi Sent: Sunday, 16 December, 2007 10:05:56 AM Re: To Ashji Dear Ash,Hope I am not pestering you. Can you please explain what you mentioned below:"For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi."What do you mean by a 'sector'? Also what do you mean by "more number of sectors of saturn"? You mean sectors of all planets are counted and if staurn gets more count?Can you suggest any book on KAS so that I dont have to disturb you?Regards,Jyothiancient_indian_ astrology, "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Goel,> > > > My replies below yours in blue.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca> http://www.ashtro. ca> > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of> Gopal Goel> Saturday December 15, 2007 7:58 AM> ancient_indian_ astrology> Cc: sohamsa; vedic_astrology_ classes Dikshit> Re: Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > > > Dear Ash,> > It is very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile different> aspects which ,on the face of it are at variance.> > Ash : Agreed.> > This is basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives material> growth.This brings two aspects in focus:> > Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle of Upachaya> place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of growth, heap> and prosperity and not just in material world.> > 1. Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give material> prosperity. If they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and > > Astakavarga bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful system to> access this with the help of astavarga system.> > Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan. This is the basic,> and as per KAS our very basic law explains that.> > The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the significator house i.e> ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th from the house under> focus, the house under focus and the 5th from the house under focus so if we> take 7th house as house under focus then if planets are aspecting 2nd, 7th> or 11th then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful samdharmis> will give.> > Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were considered in the> old age. > > So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd house then it> will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the result, if Mars is> placed in 6th house then it will aspect 12th house who is 5th from 8th house> so it can't give death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give death as it> will aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will aspect 1st> house who is Karak for 1st house so it can't give 6th house result, if Mars> and Saturn placed in 10th house, is very good particularly if its with less> than 4 bindus as written in your next point. From 10th hosue Mars will> aspect 1st house who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house result and> Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can't give result for death.> > So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good. > > With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then in KAS we not> only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the power of each> planet for all 12 houses in all 16 D charts. In D charts however we only> add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house under focus and 5th> house so we take their power from SAV and add them. To find finer details> we then use Nadis. > > For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the sectors of> Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of Saturn are> there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic memory.> Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi.> > With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get the power using> Ashtakavarga.> > Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are considered this way or> that.> > > > If a malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will give lot of> passion. A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native with rare bliss> and good character.> > Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house and malefics in 10th house are> good. If there is any planet in the 1st house with more than 4 bindus then> such a mars or Saturn if with less than 4 bindus will become very very> powerful. The other points are that Ma will aspect the 1st house and it> can't give the result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house can't give> the result of 8th house or death. > > Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will aspect and give power of> 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so if Mars has 2 bindus and is in> 10th house of the chart then Mars will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th house with +6> bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is individuality, 5th is> unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th house and> if it's a male chart then one has to be more careful during conception etc> etc.> > ALL planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and strengths.> > Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th house. For natural> malefics in 11th house I have given the details above. Mars in 11th house> will aspect 6th house and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house so can't> give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are considered to> be good. > > One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less than 4 bindus in> their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they are in upachaya> sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house results as they get disqualified and> at the same time, they will have 3 aspects on 3 houses with +ve dristi> increase the power of the house and any planet if residing in those houses.> > > 2. When lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the situation is> not always that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more point in> Astakvarga> > Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th house under focus then> 1st house becomes the Karak. A person with good Personality and health> (1st) can have good social status (6th) (it's an analogy). So 1st lord in> 6th house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the Karak for 6th> will come and reside in 6th house. > > Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than 4 bindus then there will> be 2 fold things. 1st is that it will be malefic for 6th house but that> the same time it will aspect and add points to the lagna compensating it. > > Such Now if there are more planets aspecting the 1st house with benefic> dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then even better. > > Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more than 4 bindus will become Karak for> 11th house (success).> > For 6th house under focus, the primary house becomes 1st as Karak, 6th as> house under focus and result or phalit sthan is 10th house.> > So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF has itself has good control over 1st,> and 1st lord in 6th house means Karak itself has come to 6th house so the> overall status of such a chart will go up. > > will only try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN STRENGTH WILL> GENERATE RAJYOGA.> > 3. Thus placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house gives an> information , but placement of the lord of reference house in each upchaya> house from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be dealt> separately.> > Your analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to each other> , but we must view the fundamental principles in right prospective and> manner.> > Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained eye and a person who> has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this such as yourself.> For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence then person> or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes unthinkable or such> a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than 4 bindus> becomes unthinkable. > > As an example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic , Shiddhantic or> modern astronomy are different. IN A WAY THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT THIS> INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS PROGRESS IN THE FIELD OF ASTRONOMY, WHICH> IS STILL CONTINUING.> > In the similar manner astrology is touching new heights.> > Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi.> > Regards,> > > > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > Ash <kas> sohamsa@ .com; ancient_indian_ astrology> Cc: atma prakash <atma5236@.. .>; BHUSAN k <naxatra >; Chubb> Phyllis <phyllis >; Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...>;> Kapoor S N <sn_kapoor@. ..>; Kedar M N <mnkedar >;> kiran.rama <kiran.rama@ ...>; Phyllis Chubb <phyllischubb@ ...>;> Rao K N <k_n_rao >; Rao K N <knrastro@.. .>;> vedic_astrology_ classes Dikshit <vedic_astrology_ classes@gro ups.com>> Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM> RE: Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > Dear Goel and Lakshmi,> > > > I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with.> > > > Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th house of> the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That will enhance> the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of growth, heap> and prosperity.> > > > So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th house> results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house results.> > > > Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs are> present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of divorce, for> example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or sun and> 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars and 7th> lords. > > > > So such things we check separately.> > > > Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2> different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality or> result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart then there> might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in extreme cases> there it might be denied. > > > > I shall reply revert to Jyoti's mail separately.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca> > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf> Of Gopal Goel> Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM> ancient_indian_ astrology> Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S N; Kedar M> N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa; vedic_astrology_> classes Dikshit> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > > > Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji,> > 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different> > 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord> of a house> > 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are> very important to access the effects> > 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious> influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement> > 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets> > Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation> being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from > > third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is> placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage.> > > > Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya> sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary upachaya).> So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th lord i.e> Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for 7th house> significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for dual lord> ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced by being> placed in 12th house.> > > > Karak sthan is 2nd house - As per old tradition, marriages were initiated by> families. > > Phal sthan is 7th - House under focus> > Phalit Sthan is 11th - life long friend gained in the form of wife. Karak> is 6th house so legally related.> > 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. - These are in upachaya from Karak> i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and 12th house> is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd.> > > > 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and 7th house> is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house.> > > > 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as pleasures in> this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha sthan and on> Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that the> cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house.> > > > Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house and 3rd> is the karak for death. > > > > > > So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then its in> upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no meaning of> upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed.> > > > Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and> 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case > > it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by> functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion.> > Important Note : > > Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the> significance of 12th house . > > The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under:> > Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment> > Secondary Karkas :> > Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort> > Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey> > Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune, bad> habits,secret enemies> > Jupiter- donations,heaven> > Ketu- salvation> > Regards,> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ .co. in>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > Dear Ash,> > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house?> > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.)> I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards,> Jyothi> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology, "Ash" <kas@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Jyothi,> > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash.> > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.> > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the> > 12th house which is fixed.> > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed> > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.> > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the> > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house> > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish> > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things.> > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.> > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan> > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then> > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that> > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be> > spoilt).> > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the> > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an> > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I> > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not> > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same> > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person> > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by> > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is> > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.> > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your> > questions below.> > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is> > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person> > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so> > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a> > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a> > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord> > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from> > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards> > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.> > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it> > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and> > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that> > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th> > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra> > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in> > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and> > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things> > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on> > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.> > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is> > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.> > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good> > authority.> > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a> > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good> > authority but there is a difference :-).> > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status> > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by> > that planet is enhanced.> > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th> > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is> > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes> > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all> > houses.> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. ca/> ca> http://www.ashtro.> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> ca> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology> > [ancient_ indian_> <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ .> com] On Behalf Of> > jyothi_b_lakshmi> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > > > > > > > Dear Ashji,> > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles.> > (http://www3. <http://www3. /> > > <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa> <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa rriage.htm>> rriage.htm>> > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm)> > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.> > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced."> > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?> > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards,> > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40. com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40. com> , "Ash"> <kas@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran and Goel,> > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary> > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are> > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th> > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in> > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality.> > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd> > > house is enhanced.> > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary> > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and> > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are> > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes> > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job> > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it> > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means> > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if> > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th> > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3> > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is> > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they> > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be> > > beneficial on 3 other house.> > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus> > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it> > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say> > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on> > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its> > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th> > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. /> <http://www.ashtro. ca> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> > ca> > http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. /> > > <http://www.ashtro. ca <http://www.ashtro. ca/> > ca> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40. com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40. com> > > > [ancient_ indian_> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40. com> ] On> Behalf Of > > Gopal Goel> > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40. com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40. com> ;> kiran.rama> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji,> > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :> > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in> > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses.> > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results.> > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th> > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies,> > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his > > livelihood. He> > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo> > > and PISCES ascendants.> > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he> > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna.> > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.> > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the> > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or> > > friendly signs.> > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of> > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect> > > the house.> > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.> > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in> > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.> > > > > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own> > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.> > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good> > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in> > > habit to blame others.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > > Ph: 09350311433> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > NEW DELHI-110 076> > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----> > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ >> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40. com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40. com> > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the> > > same:> > > Please help me in doing so:> > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will> > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of> > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?> > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the> > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during> > > periods of the house lord also?> > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in> > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations> > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause> > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?> > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of> > > the house?> > > > > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,> > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> > 40. com>> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for> > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean , > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:> > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,> > > > ==>> > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.> > > > <==> > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara ' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> > 40. com>> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji,> > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before.> > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here.> > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there:> > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are> > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h ||> > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> > > > > from Vishnu.> > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading> > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in > > Taiitariya> > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for> > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc.. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani).> > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati.> > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > sriram nayak> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > > .> > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI> > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME> > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS> > > > > > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > > .> > > com> > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks a ton for the link. I wonder how I missed this site while googling for astro articles. The site looks pretty well organised. I will read through the articles, and get back to you if I have any queries. Thanks again, Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > You can Download the lessons that Krushanji has given from > http://krushna.sageasita.com <http://krushna.sageasita.com/> . > > > > The details about sectors etc are given in the lesson on Occoupation i.e. > 21. > > > > If you download the KAS2003 from > http://krushna.sageasita.com/KAS2006v3.2.1.zip or you can download the KAS > program from Donna's website from the Files and Worksheet section. > > > > There are FAQ's Section and KAS Visuals where you can read on some important > concepts that are given. > > > > Rest the discussions take place on the > where you can read Krushnaji's > mails. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Saturday December 15, 2007 11:36 PM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > Hope I am not pestering you. Can you please explain what you > mentioned below: > > " For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the > sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more > sectors of Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant and > has photographic memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. " > > What do you mean by a 'sector'? Also what do you mean by " more number > of sectors of saturn " ? You mean sectors of all planets are counted > and if staurn gets more count? > > Can you suggest any book on KAS so that I dont have to disturb you? > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Goel, > > > > > > > > My replies below yours in blue. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com > [sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40> .com] On > Behalf Of > > Gopal Goel > > Saturday December 15, 2007 7:58 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit > > Re: Re: Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > It is very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile > different > > aspects which ,on the face of it are at variance. > > > > Ash : Agreed. > > > > This is basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives > material > > growth.This brings two aspects in focus: > > > > Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle of > Upachaya > > place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of > growth, heap > > and prosperity and not just in material world. > > > > 1. Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give material > > prosperity. If they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and > > > > Astakavarga bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful > system to > > access this with the help of astavarga system. > > > > Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan. This is the > basic, > > and as per KAS our very basic law explains that. > > > > The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the significator > house i.e > > ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th from the > house under > > focus, the house under focus and the 5th from the house under focus > so if we > > take 7th house as house under focus then if planets are aspecting > 2nd, 7th > > or 11th then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful > samdharmis > > will give. > > > > Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were considered > in the > > old age. > > > > So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd house > then it > > will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the result, if > Mars is > > placed in 6th house then it will aspect 12th house who is 5th from > 8th house > > so it can't give death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give > death as it > > will aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will > aspect 1st > > house who is Karak for 1st house so it can't give 6th house result, > if Mars > > and Saturn placed in 10th house, is very good particularly if its > with less > > than 4 bindus as written in your next point. From 10th hosue Mars > will > > aspect 1st house who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house > result and > > Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can't give result for death. > > > > So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good. > > > > With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then in > KAS we not > > only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the power > of each > > planet for all 12 houses in all 16 D charts. In D charts however > we only > > add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house under focus > and 5th > > house so we take their power from SAV and add them. To find finer > details > > we then use Nadis. > > > > For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the > sectors of > > Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of > Saturn are > > there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic > memory. > > Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. > > > > With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get the > power using > > Ashtakavarga. > > > > Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are considered this > way or > > that. > > > > > > > > If a malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will > give lot of > > passion. A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native with > rare bliss > > and good character. > > > > Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house and malefics in 10th > house are > > good. If there is any planet in the 1st house with more than 4 > bindus then > > such a mars or Saturn if with less than 4 bindus will become very > very > > powerful. The other points are that Ma will aspect the 1st house > and it > > can't give the result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house > can't give > > the result of 8th house or death. > > > > Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will aspect and give > power of > > 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so if Mars has 2 bindus and > is in > > 10th house of the chart then Mars will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th > house with +6 > > bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is individuality, > 5th is > > unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th > house and > > if it's a male chart then one has to be more careful during > conception etc > > etc. > > > > ALL planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and > strengths. > > > > Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th house. For > natural > > malefics in 11th house I have given the details above. Mars in > 11th house > > will aspect 6th house and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house so > can't > > give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are > considered to > > be good. > > > > One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less than 4 > bindus in > > their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they are in > upachaya > > sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house results as they get > disqualified and > > at the same time, they will have 3 aspects on 3 houses with +ve > dristi > > increase the power of the house and any planet if residing in those > houses. > > > > > > 2. When lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the > situation is > > not always that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more > point in > > Astakvarga > > > > Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th house under > focus then > > 1st house becomes the Karak. A person with good Personality and > health > > (1st) can have good social status (6th) (it's an analogy). So 1st > lord in > > 6th house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the > Karak for 6th > > will come and reside in 6th house. > > > > Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than 4 bindus then > there will > > be 2 fold things. 1st is that it will be malefic for 6th house > but that > > the same time it will aspect and add points to the lagna > compensating it. > > > > Such Now if there are more planets aspecting the 1st house with > benefic > > dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then even > better. > > > > Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more than 4 bindus will become > Karak for > > 11th house (success). > > > > For 6th house under focus, the primary house becomes 1st as Karak, > 6th as > > house under focus and result or phalit sthan is 10th house. > > > > So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF has itself has good control > over 1st, > > and 1st lord in 6th house means Karak itself has come to 6th house > so the > > overall status of such a chart will go up. > > > > will only try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN > STRENGTH WILL > > GENERATE RAJYOGA. > > > > 3. Thus placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house > gives an > > information , but placement of the lord of reference house in each > upchaya > > house from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be dealt > > separately. > > > > Your analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to > each other > > , but we must view the fundamental principles in right prospective > and > > manner. > > > > Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained eye and a > person who > > has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this such as > yourself. > > For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence > then person > > or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes unthinkable > or such > > a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than 4 > bindus > > becomes unthinkable. > > > > As an example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic , > Shiddhantic or > > modern astronomy are different. IN A WAY THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT THIS > > INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS PROGRESS IN THE FIELD OF > ASTRONOMY, WHICH > > IS STILL CONTINUING. > > > > In the similar manner astrology is touching new heights. > > > > Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Ash <kas@> > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com; > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > Cc: atma prakash <atma5236@>; BHUSAN k <naxatra@>; Chubb > > Phyllis <phyllis@>; Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@>; > > Kapoor S N <sn_kapoor@>; Kedar M N <mnkedar@>; > > kiran.rama <kiran.rama@>; Phyllis Chubb <phyllischubb@>; > > Rao K N <k_n_rao@>; Rao K N <knrastro@>; > > Dikshit > <vedic_astrology_ <%40> > classes > > > Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM > > RE: Re: Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Goel and Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with. > > > > > > > > Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th > house of > > the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That > will enhance > > the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of > growth, heap > > and prosperity. > > > > > > > > So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th > house > > results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house > results. > > > > > > > > Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs > are > > present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of > divorce, for > > example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or > sun and > > 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars and > 7th > > lords. > > > > > > > > So such things we check separately. > > > > > > > > Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2 > > different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality > or > > result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart then > there > > might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in > extreme cases > > there it might be denied. > > > > > > > > I shall reply revert to Jyoti's mail separately. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca/> http://www.ashtro. > ca > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] > On Behalf > > Of Gopal Goel > > Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S > N; Kedar M > > N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa; > vedic_astrology_ > > classes Dikshit > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji, > > > > 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different > > > > 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by > becoming a lord > > of a house > > > > 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga > bala are > > very important to access the effects > > > > 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious > > influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement > > > > 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets > > > > Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents > copulation > > being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from > > > > third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if > 7th lord is > > placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage. > > > > > > > > Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya > > sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary > upachaya). > > So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th > lord i.e > > Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for > 7th house > > significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for > dual lord > > ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced > by being > > placed in 12th house. > > > > > > > > Karak sthan is 2nd house - As per old tradition, marriages were > initiated by > > families. > > > > Phal sthan is 7th - House under focus > > > > Phalit Sthan is 11th - life long friend gained in the form of > wife. Karak > > is 6th house so legally related. > > > > 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. - These are in upachaya > from Karak > > i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and > 12th house > > is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd. > > > > > > > > 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and > 7th house > > is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house. > > > > > > > > 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as > pleasures in > > this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha > sthan and on > > Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that > the > > cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house. > > > > > > > > Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house > and 3rd > > is the karak for death. > > > > > > > > > > > > So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then its > in > > upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no > meaning of > > upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed. > > > > > > > > Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( > 1st , 5th and > > 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the > case > > > > it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not > Subha by > > functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion. > > > > Important Note : > > > > Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in > protecting the > > significance of 12th house . > > > > The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under: > > > > Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment > > > > Secondary Karkas : > > > > Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort > > > > Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey > > > > Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune, > bad > > habits,secret enemies > > > > Jupiter- donations,heaven > > > > Ketu- salvation > > > > Regards, > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ .co. in> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology, " Ash " <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > chart is the > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > planets placed > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > placed in the > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > house > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > distinguish > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > karak sthan > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > spoilt then > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > generally > > say that > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > life > > will be > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > house > > of the > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > an > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > quality, I > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > not > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > the same > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > such > > a person > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > be > > given by > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > one is > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > answer your > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > 10th is > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > of > > a person > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > in 9th so > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > house a > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > here such a > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > 9th lord > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > 12th > > from > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > more towards > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > now it > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > and > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > means that > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > trigger > > 12th > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > the antra > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > put in > > > less effort. > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > effort and > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > get > > things > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > Both > > are on > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > 10th > > is > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > good > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > CEO > > of a > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > looses status > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > ruled by > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > lord in 12th > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > 6th > > house is > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > 3rd > > lord goes > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > to > > all > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca/> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca/> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> astrology@ > . > > com] On Behalf Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > (http://www3. <http://www3. <http://www3./> /> > > > <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > rriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm) > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > the > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > this > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > a > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > by > > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > the > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > 40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > 40> , " Ash " > > <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > its > > > primary > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > 11th are > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > KAS, 12th > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > that > > > goes in > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > for quality. > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > quality > > > of 3rd > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > i.e. > > > in primary > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > from > > > 3rd and > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > say u are > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > house > > > becomes > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > timing job > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > than > > 4 > > > bindu (it > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > bindus means > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > aspect > > > so, say if > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > 5th > > > and 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > the > > > cost of 3 > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > (which is > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > SAV), > > > so they > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > aspects > > > will be > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > than > > 4 > > > bindus > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > consider it > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > house with say > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > with -5 on > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > and > > > its > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > lord > > > in 12th > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./> > /> > <http://www.ashtro. ca > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca/> > ca> > > http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./> /> > > > <http://www.ashtro. ca <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca/> > > ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > 40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> > > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40> ] > On > > Behalf Of > > > Gopal Goel > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > 40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40> ; > > kiran.rama > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > house > > > lords in > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > results. > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > placed in 8th > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > tendencies, > > > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his > > > livelihood. He > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > apply > > > to Virgo > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > fall > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > signification of the > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > impact > > > of > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > also > > > protect > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > are > > > placed in > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > his > > > own > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > health. > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > not > > > be good > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > will be in > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > 40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > understanding > > > on the > > > > same: > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > 8th > > > house, Will > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > the > > > period of > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > obstruction > > > to the > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic > > > or during > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > 6th lord in > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > significations > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > cause > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > good > > > things of > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > > 40. com> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > in > > > this > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > world > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > Sarvam, > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > inherent > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > are > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > our > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > potential > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > The > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam > Pushpam > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > man > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > Ocean , > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > the > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > Mother > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > Primordial > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > Poorvam > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > <== > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > the > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > resort > > > to > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > (or > > > call > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > which > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara ' are interchangeable words - meaning > the > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology % > > > 40. com> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > understand > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > Veda > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > mind. > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > mentioned > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara > Iti > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > is > > > just > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > Agni > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > forms > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > Vardandtu > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > both > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > Srishti. > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > of > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > inner > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > very > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > could > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > and > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > interesting > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > concuss > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > questions > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > group. > > > > The > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > puranas/ > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > meanings > > > > of > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > inadequate. > > > > The > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > are > > > > used > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > of > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > happened > > > > > > before. > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > conflict > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > taken > > > > and > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > buddha, > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > disagrees > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > line > > > from > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > who > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > Brahma > > > nor > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > not > > > a > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > various > > > > other > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > manas > > > > (mind); > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > is > > > not > > > > one > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > enemy > > > to > > > > his > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > or > > > Agni > > > > or > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > havirbhiH > > > | > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > control, > > > are > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > Brahman > > > > (R.V > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > that > > > > one > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > is > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > brahman, > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > beheading > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > shira > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > control > > > > of > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > ugraM > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > made > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > given > > > the > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > etc.. > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > the > > > > Being > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > of > > > Lord > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > of > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > in > > > > puranas > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > mail. > > > > That > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > injunctions > > > > and > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > OF > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > > > > existence. > > > > > > Be > > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute > > reality > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > > > Christianity. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in > history > > > or > > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " > > is > > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > > > their " ism " > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any > specific > > > > sect.. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in > > this > > > > world > > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > > > Avila , > > > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear Group, Another post that I wrote that might be useful for some members on KAS list as well. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash Friday December 14, 2007 4:02 PM To: RE: Re: To Ashji Dear Jyothi, In my previous mail I have said at the outset that – Timing of Event and Quality of Event are 2 different things. Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or navamsa. Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce. These are some of the laws. Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or planets having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart using the KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra lord of 4th or 12th lord. Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system. Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over and there is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give marriage. This is as far as timing of event is concerned. Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or in 6th lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce depending. So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event with quality of event. Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are enhanced. The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it’s the house of growth, heap and prosperity. For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father, guru, 12th house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old system), 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls father checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so authority house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other words that success of marriage would be falling in love and having children. 5th from 1st and 11th from 7th. So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that 12th house is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya theory. Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power planet for marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet then Mercury only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes strongest significator. It is also 6th lord. Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface. So as an analogy, if a “bad event happened” then high power planets or 12th or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth, heap and prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try to FLUSH out the “bad” marriage, so if they are powerful then such a marriage will break. Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they will feel bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing out the bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she will feel that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to marry someone else and have a happier life. This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight that “Timing of Event” is different from “Quality of Event” Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha in 12th house for Gemini lagna. If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th lord is in 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or House he will enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him with a 4 wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat. So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have good sight, but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. So she might have yog’s for weak eyesight, but at the same time she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from someone else’s eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd house is enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the happiness from them even though she might be away so things like that. So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if there are yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be due to 7th lord being in 12th house. Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most malefic house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are opposites. 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling. 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so u can call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc. So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets placed in that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers and it’s the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house. Yes another thing, I wanted to share. As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the chart, and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st or 5th lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power means as per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am keeping the “feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it would be a very sad and tragic event” . I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the definition of good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events happen in highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house under focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or 4th lord and malefic events happen in low power planet. So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd house and 5th or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation from 8th. So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have been considered as Malefic house. Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the moksh triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual plane and 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical plane so we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical plane. 8th house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of moksh triplicty and its on spiritual plane.. So 12th house in no way can be bad. I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My only concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that one has to understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That is not understood then I don’t think anything I will say will be understood because many things that are as per KAS might see “apparently” against the normal understanding of Jyotish. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM Re: To Ashji Dear Ash, Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house? In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.) I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house > would be enhanced. > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things. > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be > spoilt). > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is not > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at the same > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your > questions below. > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house a > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th from > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in > less effort. > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > authority. > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house looses status > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by > that planet is enhanced. > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all > houses. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ashji, > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > what I understood from one of the articles. > (http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by > them gets enhanced. " > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > primary > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > 11th are > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > enhanced. > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > KAS, 12th > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > goes in > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > for quality. > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality > of 3rd > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > in primary > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > 3rd and > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > heap. > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > say u are > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > becomes > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > timing job > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 > bindu (it > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > bindus means > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > so, say if > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > and 9th > > house. > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > cost of 3 > > other house. > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > (which is > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > so they > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects > will be > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 > bindus > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > consider it > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > house with say > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > with -5 on > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and > its > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord > in 12th > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology ; kiran.rama > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house > lords in > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > results. > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > placed in 8th > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > tendencies, > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > livelihood. He > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > to Virgo > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > tendencies , yet he > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > in Lagna. > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > signification of the > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > own ,exaltation or > > friendly signs. > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact > of > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also > protect > > the house. > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are > placed in > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > own > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not > be good > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > will be in > > habit to blame others. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > on the > > same: > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > house, Will > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > period of > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > to the > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > or during > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > 6th lord in > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > significations > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > cause > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > things of > > the house? > > > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > this > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > Sarvam, > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > inherent > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > potential > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > man > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > Mother > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > > Prana Shakti. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > ==> > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > Poorvam > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > <== > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > to > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > call > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > understand > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > Veda > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > mind. > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > just > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > forms > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > Vardandtu > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > both > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > could > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > and > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > interesting > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > concuss > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > questions > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > group. > > The > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > puranas/ > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > meanings > > of > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > inadequate. > > The > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > > seen > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > are > > used > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > happened > > > > before. > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > Vedangas. > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > taken > > and > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > buddha, > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > disagrees > > here. > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > from > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > who > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > nor > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not > a > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > other > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > (mind); > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > not > > one > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > to > > his > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > Agni > > or > > > > Pushan, are > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH > | > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > t.h || > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > are > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > > (R.V > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > that > > one > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > brahman, > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > omniscient?) . > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > Taiitariya > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > control > > of > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > call > > it > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > Rudra, > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > the > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > etc. > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > Being > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > Lord > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > puranas > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > > That > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > > and > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > Vedavyasa > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> astrology@ > . > > com, rashmi patel > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > DAUGHTERS > > OF > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> astrology@ > . > > com > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear Group, I had written this post as well. It might help some. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash Thursday December 13, 2007 1:41 PM To: RE: Re: To Ashji Dear Sandhya, Actually, to really know what is complicated I would suggest u to do one exercise. Take any chart that is given, and then just start to pen down all the yogas both good and bad in the chart and this is with respect to each planet with each other and also with lagna and also their contras. For example, every one knows that Ju with moon is called Gaj Kesari Yog. Now, if both Ju and Mo are in 12th house then find the relation of Ju with lagna and note down allt he yogs, then note all the yogs that Ju means with mo, ma, su, me, ve and sa and also ju with respect to its postion with lagna. Then do the same for all other planets. Then find all the special yogs such as neech bhanga yog and their “exceptions” i.e if a planet is in Kendra as unccha and then neecha in navamsa and vice versa etc etc, so start to include the D chars as well. Then study all that from lagna, sun and moon as maharishis have asked us to calculate the same from all 3. After u have done that exercise sincerely, real v/s apparent complication will become crystal clear. Also after that, u will actually realize that Ashtakavarga infact makes Jyotish Shastra easy especially if these calculations are now done at your finger tips and that realization that you do not have to remember all the different yogas and their contras as all these things are automatically taken into account when casting the SAV. Once u do upto here we can then embark on the calculations of finding the aspectual strength, conjunctions and other factors based on the calculations that is done above. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Sandhya Nair Thursday December 13, 2007 9:52 AM Re: Re: To Ashji Very complicated stuff. I got a book from a friend but felt dizzy going through it. Sandhya jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Ashji, I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is what I understood from one of the articles. (http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because 12th lord from it is posited there). If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. " If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. Regards, Jyothi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dera Ash, Fantastic..you comprise all in short,elementary. Regards AnupAsh <kas wrote: Dear Group, Another post that I wrote that might be useful for some members on KAS list as well. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of AshFriday December 14, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Re: To Ashji Dear Jyothi, In my previous mail I have said at the outset that – Timing of Event and Quality of Event are 2 different things. Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or navamsa. Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce. These are some of the laws. Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or planets having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart using the KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra lord of 4th or 12th lord. Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system. Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over and there is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give marriage. This is as far as timing of event is concerned. Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or in 6th lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce depending. So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event with quality of event. Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are enhanced. The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it’s the house of growth, heap and prosperity. For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father, guru, 12th house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old system), 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls father checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so authority house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other words that success of marriage would be falling in love and having children. 5th from 1st and 11th from 7th. So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that 12th house is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya theory. Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power planet for marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet then Mercury only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes strongest significator. It is also 6th lord. Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface. So as an analogy, if a “bad event happened” then high power planets or 12th or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth, heap and prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try to FLUSH out the “bad” marriage, so if they are powerful then such a marriage will break. Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they will feel bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing out the bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she will feel that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to marry someone else and have a happier life. This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight that “Timing of Event” is different from “Quality of Event” Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha in 12th house for Gemini lagna. If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th lord is in 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or House he will enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him with a 4 wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat. So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have good sight, but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. So she might have yog’s for weak eyesight, but at the same time she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from someone else’s eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd house is enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the happiness from them even though she might be away so things like that. So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if there are yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be due to 7th lord being in 12th house. Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most malefic house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are opposites. 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling. 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so u can call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc. So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets placed in that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers and it’s the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house. Yes another thing, I wanted to share. As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the chart, and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st or 5th lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power means as per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am keeping the “feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it would be a very sad and tragic event” . I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the definition of good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events happen in highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house under focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or 4th lord and malefic events happen in low power planet. So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd house and 5th or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation from 8th. So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have been considered as Malefic house. Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the moksh triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual plane and 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical plane so we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical plane. 8th house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of moksh triplicty and its on spiritual plane.. So 12th house in no way can be bad. I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My only concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that one has to understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That is not understood then I don’t think anything I will say will be understood because many things that are as per KAS might see “apparently” against the normal understanding of Jyotish. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmiFriday December 14, 2007 1:16 AMTo: Subject: Re: To Ashji Dear Ash,Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house?In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.)I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards,Jyothi , "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Jyothi,> > > > Please refer to me as Ash.> > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.> > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the> 12th house which is fixed.> > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed> in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.> > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the> 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house> would be enhanced. > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish> Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things.> > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.> > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan> and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then> the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that> if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be> spoilt).> > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the> chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an> analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I> can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is not> powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at the same> time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person> might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by> his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is> quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.> > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your> questions below.> > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is> karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person> from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so> its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house a> Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a> person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord> is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th from> B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards> dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.> > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it> means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and> pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that> itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th> house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra> of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in> less effort. > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and> parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things> without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on> spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.> > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is> dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.> > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good> authority.> > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a> large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good> authority but there is a difference :-).> > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house looses status> and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by> that planet is enhanced.> > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th> are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is> enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes> in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all> houses.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of> jyothi_b_lakshmi> Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM> > Re: To Ashji> > > > Dear Ashji,> > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > what I understood from one of the articles.> (http://www3.> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>> telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)> > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.> > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by > them gets enhanced."> > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?> > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > Regards,> Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "Ash" <kas@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran and Goel,> > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view.> > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > primary> > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > 11th are> > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > enhanced.> > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > KAS, 12th> > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > goes in> > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > for quality.> > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality > of 3rd> > house is enhanced.> > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > in primary> > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > 3rd and> > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > heap.> > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > say u are> > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > becomes> > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > timing job> > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 > bindu (it> > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > bindus means> > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > so, say if> > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > and 9th> > house.> > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > cost of 3> > other house. > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > (which is> > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > so they> > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects > will be> > beneficial on 3 other house.> > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 > bindus> > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > consider it> > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > house with say> > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > with -5 on> > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and > its> > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord > in 12th> > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro.> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > [ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology ] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology ; kiran.rama> > Re: To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > > > dear Kiranji,> > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :> > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house > lords in> > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.> > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > results.> > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > placed in 8th> > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > tendencies,> > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > livelihood. He> > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > to Virgo> > and PISCES ascendants.> > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > tendencies , yet he> > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > in Lagna.> > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.> > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > signification of the> > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > own ,exaltation or> > friendly signs.> > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact > of> > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also > protect> > the house.> > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.> > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are > placed in> > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.> > > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > own> > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.> > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not > be good> > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > will be in> > habit to blame others.> > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----> > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM> > To Sreenadhji:> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > on the> > same:> > Please help me in doing so:> > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > house, Will> > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > period of> > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?> > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > to the> > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > or during> > periods of the house lord also?> > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > 6th lord in> > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > significations> > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > cause> > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > things of> > the house?> > > > Thanks> > Kiran> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ <%> 40>> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > this > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > Sarvam, > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > inherent > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > potential > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam Pushpam > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > man > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > Mother > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > > Prana Shakti. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,> > > ==>> > > "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > Poorvam > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.> > > <==> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > to > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > call > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> 40>> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear sir, > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > understand > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > Veda > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > mind. > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara Iti > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > just > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > forms > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > Vardandtu > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > both > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > could > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > and > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > interesting > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > concuss > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji,> > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > questions > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > group. > > The > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > puranas/ > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > meanings > > of > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > inadequate. > > The > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > > seen > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > are > > used > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > happened > > > > before.> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > Vedangas. > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > taken > > and > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > buddha, > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > disagrees > > here.> > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > from > > > > Mahopanishad is there:> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > who > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > nor > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not > a > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > other > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > (mind); > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > not > > one > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > to > > his > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > Agni > > or > > > > Pushan, are> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH > | > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > t.h ||> > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> > > > from Vishnu.> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > are > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > > (R.V > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > that > > one > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > brahman, > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > omniscient?) . > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > Taiitariya> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > control > > of > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > call > > it > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > Rudra, > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > the > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > etc. > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > Being > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > Lord > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > puranas > > > > as chaturavadana rani).> > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > > That > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > > and > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > Vedavyasa > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > sriram nayak> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40> astrology@ > .> > com, rashmi patel > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > SARASWATIJI> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > DAUGHTERS > > OF > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME> > > > > > > > > > THANKS> > > > > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40> astrology@ > .> > com> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its > > existence. > > > > Be > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality > is > > > > the > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > Christianity. > > This > > > > is > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history > or > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" is > > the > > > > only > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > their "ism" > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > > sect. > > > > If > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this > > world > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > Avila, > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. 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