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Dear Ashji,

 

I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

what I understood from one of the articles.

(http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

 

If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

12th lord from it is posited there).

 

If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

(exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

 

Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by

them gets enhanced. "

 

If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

 

I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

, " Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran and Goel,

>

>

>

> I would also like to share my view.

>

>

>

> 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

primary

> upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

11th are

> secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

enhanced.

>

>

>

> 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

KAS, 12th

> house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

goes in

> 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

for quality.

> So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality

of 3rd

> house is enhanced.

>

>

>

> Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

in primary

> upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

3rd and

> since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

heap.

>

>

>

> Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

say u are

> timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

becomes

> primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

timing job

> then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

>

>

>

> Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4

bindu (it

> can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

bindus means

> its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

so, say if

> Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

and 9th

> house.

>

>

>

> So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

cost of 3

> other house.

>

>

>

> Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

(which is

> generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

so they

> will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects

will be

> beneficial on 3 other house.

>

>

>

> A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4

bindus

> then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

consider it

> with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

house with say

> 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

with -5 on

> 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and

its

> aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

>

>

>

> For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord

in 12th

> one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

> On Behalf Of

Gopal Goel

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> ; kiran.rama

> Re: To Sreenadhji:

>

>

>

> dear Kiranji,

>

> I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

>

> 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house

lords in

> various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.

>

> If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

results.

>

> Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

placed in 8th

> house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

tendencies,

> may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

livelihood. He

> becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

to Virgo

> and PISCES ascendants.

>

> The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

tendencies , yet he

> will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

in Lagna.

>

> Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

>

> 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

signification of the

> house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

own ,exaltation or

> friendly signs.

>

> House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact

of

> malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also

protect

> the house.

>

> Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

>

> 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are

placed in

> these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

>

> Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his

own

> kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

>

> Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not

be good

> for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

will be in

> habit to blame others.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> Kiran R <kiran.rama

>

> Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> To Sreenadhji:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

on the

> same:

> Please help me in doing so:

>

> 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

house, Will

> it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

period of

> the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

>

> 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

to the

> significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

or during

> periods of the house lord also?

>

> 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

6th lord in

> 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

significations

> of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

cause

> increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

things of

> the house?

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

>

> Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

>

> > Dear Seenadhji,

> > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in

this

> sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum

Sarvam,

> Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

inherent

> power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are

> in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our

> vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

potential

> Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The

> same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam

> Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

man

> attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean,

> the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the

> entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

Mother

> Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial

> Prana Shakti.

> > With regards,

> >

> Hari Venkataraman.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > ==>

> > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

Poorvam

> Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > <==

> > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the

> word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort

to

> the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or

call

> it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which

> everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the

> same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sir,

> > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

understand

> Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

Veda

> fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

mind.

> Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned

> there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti

> Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is

just

> sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni

> evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

forms

> of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

Vardandtu

> magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

both

> identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti.

> That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of

> Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner

> aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very

> difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

could

> explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

and

> qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

interesting

> and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

concuss

> ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > >

> > > Hari Venkataraman

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Rashmikantji,

> > >

> > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> questions

> > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

group.

> The

> > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

puranas/

> > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

meanings

> of

> > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

inadequate.

> The

> > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have

> seen

> > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > >

> > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

are

> used

> > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of

> > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> happened

> > > before.

> > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> Vedangas.

> > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict

> > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

taken

> and

> > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

buddha,

> > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

disagrees

> here.

> > >

> > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line

from

> > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

who

> > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma

nor

> > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > >

> > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not

a

> > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various

> other

> > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas

> (mind);

> > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is

not

> one

> > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy

to

> his

> > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or

Agni

> or

> > > Pushan, are

> > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > >

> > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH

|

> > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva

t.h ||

> > >

> > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > from Vishnu.

> > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in

> > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control,

are

> > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman

> (R.V

> > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

that

> one

> > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is

> > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

> brahman,

> > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> omniscient?) .

> > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading

> > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira

> > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

Taiitariya

> > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

control

> of

> > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

call

> it

> > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM

> > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made

> Rudra,

> > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given

the

> > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for

> > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

etc.

> > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the

> Being

> > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > >

> > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of

Lord

> > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of

> > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in

> puranas

> > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > >

> > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail.

> That

> > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions

> and

> > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri

Vedavyasa

> > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > >

> > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > sriram nayak

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_

> <%40> astrology@

.

> com, rashmi patel

> > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI &

> SARASWATIJI

> > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

DAUGHTERS

> OF

> > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > >

> > > > THANKS

> > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > ancient_indian_

> <%40> astrology@

.

> com

> > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its

> existence.

> > > Be

> > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality

is

> > > the

> > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

Christianity.

> This

> > > is

> > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history

or

> > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is

> the

> > > only

> > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

their " ism "

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific

> sect.

> > > If

> > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this

> world

> > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of

Avila,

> > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

>

>

>

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Dear Group,

 

This question was asked to me in another

group.

 

I thought this might benefit the members

of KAS group so am posting it here as well.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

Ash [kas]

Thursday December 13, 2007

12:05 PM

' '

RE:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

Dear Jyothi,

 

Please refer to me as Ash.

 

12th house of a chart and 12th

from a house are different.

 

So 12th from 3rd

house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is

the 12th house which is fixed.

 

 

So 12th house of a chart is the

most auspicious house and any planets placed in the 12th house would

enhance the house ruled by them.

 

Lets take an example of Aries lagna and

let us assume Moon is placed in the 12th house in pisces. So

this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house would be enhanced.

 

Yes, before I proceed any further let me

emphasize that I distinguish Quality of an event from Timing of Event.

These are 2 different things.

 

Quality of an event is controlled by the

Status of the Karak planet.

 

For example, if 2nd house is

spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan and natural karak is

from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then the RESULTS of 7th

house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that if Venus (natural 2nd

lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be spoilt).

 

So now, here when I am saying that a

planet is placed in 12th house of the chart, then the house ruled by

that planet will get enhanced. As an analogy, to explain the difference

between timing of event and quality, I can say is that, assume a person’s

4th house (timing of event) is not powerful means he himself

can’t even own a car or a house but at the same time but 4th

lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person

might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by

his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is

quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

 

 

So once we are clear with what I am trying

to explain, I will answer your questions below.

 

1) 10th

lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing

status. 10th is karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram,

the reason we find the Career of a person from 10th house from lagna

sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so

its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but

its in 9th house a Kona. 10th is physical plane and

9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a person depends more

on dharam, faith, luck etc.

2) The 9th

lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th

lord is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as

12th from B=10th lord is now resident in 10th

house. So such a person is more towards dharm, more spiritual. 10th

house means karma.

3) Now taking it

one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now

it means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of

enjoyment and pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

means that itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger

12th house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh

triplicity. Means during the antra of such a planet the person will be

more lucky, and might have to put in less effort.

4) 9th

house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that

of effort and parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the

house where u get things without putting in effort or in other words, lucky,

fortunate. Both are on spiritual planes but 3rd is kama

and 9th is dharma trikon.

 

Yes, u are right, we say that 10th

lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is dharma

karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

 

Raj yog means one can have good status,

have subordinates, have good authority.

 

Now a spiritual person also might have

lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a large company also might have lots of

subordinates. Both have good authority but there is a difference J.

 

So a planet in 12th house from

the house it owns so that house looses status and a planet when it is in 12TH

HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by that planet is enhanced.

 

Actually, as per VA, 8th lord

in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

lord in 12th are called VRY isn’t it. So here if 6th

lord goes in 12th then 6th house is enhanced, 8th

lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd

lord goes in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually

this is applicable to all houses.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi

Wednesday December 12, 2007

11:51 PM

 

Subject:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

Dear Ashji,

 

I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

what I understood from one of the articles.

(http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

 

If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

12th lord from it is posited there).

 

If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

(exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

 

Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by

them gets enhanced. "

 

If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

 

I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

,

" Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran and Goel,

>

>

>

> I would also like to share my view.

>

>

>

> 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

primary

> upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

11th are

> secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

enhanced.

>

>

>

> 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

KAS, 12th

> house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

goes in

> 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

for quality.

> So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality

of 3rd

> house is enhanced.

>

>

>

> Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

in primary

> upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

3rd and

> since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

heap.

>

>

>

> Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

say u are

> timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

becomes

> primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

timing job

> then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

>

>

>

> Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4

bindu (it

> can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

bindus means

> its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

so, say if

> Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

and 9th

> house.

>

>

>

> So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

cost of 3

> other house.

>

>

>

> Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

(which is

> generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

so they

> will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects

will be

> beneficial on 3 other house.

>

>

>

> A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4

bindus

> then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

consider it

> with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

house with say

> 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

with -5 on

> 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and

its

> aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

>

>

>

> For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord

in 12th

> one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

>

On Behalf Of

Gopal Goel

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> ;

kiran.rama

> Re: To Sreenadhji:

>

>

>

> dear Kiranji,

>

> I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

>

> 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house

lords in

> various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.

>

> If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

results.

>

> Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

placed in 8th

> house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

tendencies,

> may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

livelihood. He

> becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

to Virgo

> and PISCES ascendants.

>

> The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

tendencies , yet he

> will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

in Lagna.

>

> Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

>

> 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

signification of the

> house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

own ,exaltation or

> friendly signs.

>

> House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact

of

> malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also

protect

> the house.

>

> Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

>

> 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are

placed in

> these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

>

> Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his

own

> kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

>

> Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not

be good

> for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

will be in

> habit to blame others.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

 

>

>

>

>

> Kiran R <kiran.rama

>

> Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> To Sreenadhji:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

on the

> same:

> Please help me in doing so:

>

> 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

house, Will

> it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

period of

> the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

>

> 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

to the

> significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

or during

> periods of the house lord also?

>

> 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

6th lord in

> 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

significations

> of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

cause

> increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

things of

> the house?

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

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Dear Jyothi,

 

Please refer to me as Ash.

 

12th house of a chart and 12th

from a house are different.

 

So 12th from 3rd house

would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the 12th

house which is fixed.

 

 

So 12th house of a chart is the

most auspicious house and any planets placed in the 12th house would

enhance the house ruled by them.

 

Lets take an example of Aries lagna and

let us assume Moon is placed in the 12th house in pisces. So this

would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house would be enhanced.

 

Yes, before I proceed any further let me

emphasize that I distinguish Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These

are 2 different things.

 

Quality of an event is controlled by the

Status of the Karak planet.

 

For example, if 2nd house is

spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan and natural karak is

from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then the RESULTS of 7th

house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that if Venus (natural 2nd

lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be spoilt).

 

So now, here when I am saying that a

planet is placed in 12th house of the chart, then the house ruled by

that planet will get enhanced. As an analogy, to explain the difference

between timing of event and quality, I can say is that, assume a person’s

4th house (timing of event) is not powerful means he himself can’t

even own a car or a house but at the same time but 4th lord is in 12th

means the quality is enhanced, so such a person might enjoy a house and a car

maybe not owned by him by it might be given by his company where he or she is working

or maybe friends etc. So one is quality and the other is timing of event.

This is just an analogy.

 

 

So once we are clear with what I am trying

to explain, I will answer your questions below.

 

1) 10th

lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th

is karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career

of a person from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th

lord is in 9th so its in 12th house from 10th,

so its loosing status but its in 9th house a Kona. 10th is

physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a person

depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

2) The 9th

lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord

is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th

from B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such

a person is more towards dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means

karma.

3) Now taking it

one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it

means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of

enjoyment and pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

means that itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger

12th house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity.

Means during the antra of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and

might have to put in less effort.

4) 9th

house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

effort and parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house

where u get things without putting in effort or in other words, lucky,

fortunate. Both are on spiritual planes but 3rd is kama

and 9th is dharma trikon.

 

Yes, u are right, we say that 10th

lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is dharma

karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

 

Raj yog means one can have good status,

have subordinates, have good authority.

 

Now a spiritual person also might have

lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a large company also might have lots of subordinates.

Both have good authority but there is a difference J.

 

So a planet in 12th house from

the house it owns so that house looses status and a planet when it is in 12TH

HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by that planet is enhanced.

 

Actually, as per VA, 8th lord

in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord

in 12th are called VRY isn’t it. So here if 6th lord

goes in 12th then 6th house is enhanced, 8th lord

goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd

lord goes in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually

this is applicable to all houses.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi

Wednesday December 12, 2007

11:51 PM

 

Subject:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ashji,

 

I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

what I understood from one of the articles.

(http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

 

If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

12th lord from it is posited there).

 

If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

(exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

 

Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by

them gets enhanced. "

 

If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

 

I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

,

" Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran and Goel,

>

>

>

> I would also like to share my view.

>

>

>

> 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

primary

> upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

11th are

> secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

enhanced.

>

>

>

> 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

KAS, 12th

> house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

goes in

> 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

for quality.

> So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality

of 3rd

> house is enhanced.

>

>

>

> Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

in primary

> upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

3rd and

> since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

heap.

>

>

>

> Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

say u are

> timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

becomes

> primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

timing job

> then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

>

>

>

> Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4

bindu (it

> can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

bindus means

> its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

so, say if

> Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

and 9th

> house.

>

>

>

> So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

cost of 3

> other house.

>

>

>

> Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

(which is

> generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

so they

> will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects

will be

> beneficial on 3 other house.

>

>

>

> A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4

bindus

> then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

consider it

> with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

house with say

> 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

with -5 on

> 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and

its

> aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

>

>

>

> For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord

in 12th

> one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

>

On Behalf Of

Gopal Goel

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> ;

kiran.rama

> Re: To Sreenadhji:

>

>

>

> dear Kiranji,

>

> I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

>

> 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house

lords in

> various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.

>

> If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

results.

>

> Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

placed in 8th

> house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

tendencies,

> may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

livelihood. He

> becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

to Virgo

> and PISCES ascendants.

>

> The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

tendencies , yet he

> will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

in Lagna.

>

> Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

>

> 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

signification of the

> house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

own ,exaltation or

> friendly signs.

>

> House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact

of

> malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also

protect

> the house.

>

> Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

>

> 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are

placed in

> these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

>

> Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his

own

> kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

>

> Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not

be good

> for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

will be in

> habit to blame others.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

 

>

>

>

>

> Kiran R <kiran.rama

>

> Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> To Sreenadhji:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

on the

> same:

> Please help me in doing so:

>

> 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

house, Will

> it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

period of

> the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

>

> 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

to the

> significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

or during

> periods of the house lord also?

>

> 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

6th lord in

> 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

significations

> of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

cause

> increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

things of

> the house?

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

>

> Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

>

> > Dear Seenadhji,

> > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in

this

> sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo

va idagum

Sarvam,

> Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

inherent

> power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva

Devata: All the Devatas are

> in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our

> vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

potential

> Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The

> same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam

> Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

man

> attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

Ocean,

> the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy.

Puranas gives the

> entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

Mother

> Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial

> Prana Shakti.

> > With regards,

> >

> Hari Venkataraman.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > ==>

> > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai

Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

Poorvam

> Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > <==

> > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the

> word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort

to

> the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or

call

> it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which

> everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara'

are interchangeable words - meaning the

> same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sir,

> > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

understand

> Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

Veda

> fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

mind.

> Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned

> there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti

 

> Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is

just

> sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni

> evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

forms

> of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

Vardandtu

> magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

both

> identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti.

> That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of

> Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner

> aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very

> difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

could

> explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

and

> qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

interesting

> and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

concuss

> ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > >

> > > Hari Venkataraman

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Rashmikantji,

> > >

> > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> questions

> > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

group.

> The

> > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

puranas/

> > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

meanings

> of

> > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

inadequate.

> The

> > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have

> seen

> > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > >

> > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

are

> used

> > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of

> > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> happened

> > > before.

> > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> Vedangas.

> > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict

> > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

taken

> and

> > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

buddha,

> > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

disagrees

> here.

> > >

> > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line

from

> > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

who

> > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma

nor

> > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > >

> > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not

a

> > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various

> other

> > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas

> (mind);

> > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is

not

> one

> > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy

to

> his

> > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or

Agni

> or

> > > Pushan, are

> > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > >

> > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH

|

> > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva

t.h ||

> > >

> > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > from Vishnu.

> > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > just like Rama and Krishna are?

The reason is again in

> > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control,

are

> > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman

> (R.V

> > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

that

> one

> > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is

> > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

> brahman,

> > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> omniscient?) .

> > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading

> > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira

> > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

Taiitariya

> > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

control

> of

> > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

call

> it

> > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM

> > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made

> Rudra,

> > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given

the

> > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for

> > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

etc.

> > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the

> Being

> > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > >

> > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of

Lord

> > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of

> > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in

> puranas

> > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > >

> > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail.

> That

> > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions

> and

> > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri

Vedavyasa

> > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > >

> > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and

Saraswati.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > sriram nayak

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

astrology@

.

> com, rashmi patel

> > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI &

 

> SARASWATIJI

> > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

DAUGHTERS

> OF

> > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > >

> > > > THANKS

> > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > ancient_indian_

> <%40>

astrology@

.

> com

> > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism "

for its

> existence.

> > > Be

> > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute

reality

is

> > > the

> > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

Christianity.

> This

> > > is

> > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history

 

or

> > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their

" ism " is

> the

> > > only

> > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

their " ism "

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific

 

> sect.

> > > If

> > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in

this

> world

> > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of

Avila,

> > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

>

>

>

> _____

>

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Dear Sandhya,

 

Lol…. Your mail made me smile

thanks.

 

Actually, this is exactly the reason why

there is such less material about Astakavarga in the existing texts and also

about nadi. Everyone wants quick solutions.

Actually, it took my teacher 3 days

pre-computer times or pre-calculator times to cast the chart manually and do

all the calculations before even venturing into making predictions, and this is

based on the Ashtakavarga system i.e KAS and nadis.

 

Now imagine, if this was the source of

lively hood of some families the it would mean that he or she would not get

money for 3 days i.e. assuming everything casted was perfect in the first

attempt, what would that astrologer do to feed his family.

 

So over time, people might have taken the

shorter route. However don’t you find it curious that so many great

maharishis have talked and referred to Ashtakavarga.

 

Actually with today’s technology and

computers, all these calculations have become much easier and at your finger

tips. Even then people find this tough, so u can only imagine, how people

might have felt pre computer and calculator days.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sandhya Nair

Thursday December 13, 2007

9:52 AM

 

Re:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very complicated stuff. I got a book from a friend but felt dizzy going

through it.

 

 

Sandhya

 

jyothi_b_lakshmi

<jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Ashji,

 

I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

what I understood from one of the articles.

(http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

 

If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

12th lord from it is posited there).

 

If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

(exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

 

Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by

them gets enhanced. "

 

If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

 

I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

,

" Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran and Goel,

>

>

>

> I would also like to share my view.

>

>

>

> 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

primary

> upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

11th are

> secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

enhanced.

>

>

>

> 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

KAS, 12th

> house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

goes in

> 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

for quality.

> So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality

of 3rd

> house is enhanced.

>

>

>

> Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

in primary

> upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

3rd and

> since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

heap.

>

>

>

> Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

say u are

> timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

becomes

> primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

timing job

> then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

>

>

>

> Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4

bindu (it

> can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

bindus means

> its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

so, say if

> Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

and 9th

> house.

>

>

>

> So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

cost of 3

> other house.

>

>

>

> Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

(which is

> generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

so they

> will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects

will be

> beneficial on 3 other house.

>

>

>

> A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4

bindus

> then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

consider it

> with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

house with say

> 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

with -5 on

> 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and

its

> aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

>

>

>

> For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord

in 12th

> one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

>

On Behalf Of

Gopal Goel

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> ;

kiran.rama

> Re: To Sreenadhji:

>

>

>

> dear Kiranji,

>

> I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

>

> 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house

lords in

> various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.

>

> If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

results.

>

> Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

placed in 8th

> house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

tendencies,

> may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

livelihood. He

> becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

to Virgo

> and PISCES ascendants.

>

> The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

tendencies , yet he

> will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

in Lagna.

>

> Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

>

> 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

signification of the

> house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

own ,exaltation or

> friendly signs.

>

> House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact

of

> malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also

protect

> the house.

>

> Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

>

> 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are

placed in

> these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

>

> Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his

own

> kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

>

> Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not

be good

> for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

will be in

> habit to blame others.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

 

>

>

>

>

> Kiran R <kiran.rama

>

> Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> To Sreenadhji:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

on the

> same:

> Please help me in doing so:

>

> 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

house, Will

> it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

period of

> the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

>

> 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

to the

> significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

or during

> periods of the house lord also?

>

> 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

6th lord in

> 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

significations

> of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

cause

> increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

things of

> the house?

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

>

> Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

>

> > Dear Seenadhji,

> > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in

this

> sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo

va idagum

Sarvam,

> Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

inherent

> power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva

Devata: All the Devatas are

> in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our

> vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

potential

> Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The

> same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam

> Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

man

> attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

Ocean,

> the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy.

Puranas gives the

> entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

Mother

> Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial

> Prana Shakti.

> > With regards,

> >

> Hari Venkataraman.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > ==>

> > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai

Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

Poorvam

> Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > <==

> > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the

> word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort

to

> the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or

call

> it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which

> everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara'

are interchangeable words - meaning the

> same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sir,

> > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

understand

> Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

Veda

> fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

mind.

> Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned

> there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti

 

> Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is

just

> sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni

> evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

forms

> of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

Vardandtu

> magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

both

> identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti.

> That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of

> Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner

> aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very

> difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

could

> explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

and

> qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

interesting

> and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

concuss

> ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > >

> > > Hari Venkataraman

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Rashmikantji,

> > >

> > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> questions

> > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

group.

> The

> > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

puranas/

> > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

meanings

> of

> > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

inadequate.

> The

> > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have

> seen

> > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > >

> > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

are

> used

> > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of

> > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> happened

> > > before.

> > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> Vedangas.

> > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict

> > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

taken

> and

> > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

buddha,

> > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

disagrees

> here.

> > >

> > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line

from

> > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

who

> > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma

nor

> > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > >

> > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not

a

> > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various

> other

> > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas

> (mind);

> > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is

not

> one

> > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy

to

> his

> > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or

Agni

> or

> > > Pushan, are

> > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > >

> > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH

|

> > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva

t.h ||

> > >

> > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > from Vishnu.

> > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > just like Rama and Krishna are?

The reason is again in

> > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control,

are

> > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman

> (R.V

> > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

that

> one

> > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is

> > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

> brahman,

> > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> omniscient?) .

> > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading

> > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira

> > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

Taiitariya

> > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

control

> of

> > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

call

> it

> > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM

> > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made

> Rudra,

> > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given

the

> > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for

> > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

etc.

> > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the

> Being

> > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > >

> > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of

Lord

> > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of

> > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in

> puranas

> > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > >

> > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail.

> That

> > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions

> and

> > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri

Vedavyasa

> > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > >

> > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and

Saraswati.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > sriram nayak

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_

> <%40> astrology@

 

.

> com, rashmi patel

> > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI &

 

> SARASWATIJI

> > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

DAUGHTERS

> OF

> > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > >

> > > > THANKS

> > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > ancient_indian_

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> the

> > > only

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> > > >

> > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific

 

> sect.

> > > If

> > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in

this

> world

> > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of

Avila,

> > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

>

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Dear Sandhya,

 

Actually, to really know what is

complicated I would suggest u to do one exercise.

 

Take any chart that is given, and then

just start to pen down all the yogas both good and bad in the chart and this is

with respect to each planet with each other and also with lagna and also their

contras.

 

For example, every one knows that Ju with

moon is called Gaj Kesari Yog. Now, if both Ju and Mo are in 12th

house then find the relation of Ju with lagna and note down allt he yogs, then

note all the yogs that Ju means with mo, ma, su, me, ve and sa and also ju with

respect to its postion with lagna.

 

Then do the same for all other

planets.

 

Then find all the special yogs such as

neech bhanga yog and their “exceptions” i.e if a planet is in

Kendra as unccha and then neecha in navamsa and vice versa etc etc, so start to

include the D chars as well.

 

Then study all that from lagna, sun and

moon as maharishis have asked us to calculate the same from all 3.

 

After u have done that exercise sincerely,

real v/s apparent complication will become crystal clear.

 

Also after that, u will actually realize

that Ashtakavarga infact makes Jyotish Shastra easy especially if these

calculations are now done at your finger tips and that realization that you do

not have to remember all the different yogas and their contras as all these

things are automatically taken into account when casting the SAV.

 

Once u do upto here we can then embark on

the calculations of finding the aspectual strength, conjunctions and other

factors based on the calculations that is done above.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sandhya Nair

Thursday December 13, 2007

9:52 AM

 

Re:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very complicated stuff. I got a book from a friend but felt dizzy going

through it.

 

 

Sandhya

 

jyothi_b_lakshmi

<jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Ashji,

 

I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

what I understood from one of the articles.

(http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

 

If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

12th lord from it is posited there).

 

If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

(exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

 

Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by

them gets enhanced. "

 

If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

 

I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

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Dear Ash,

 

Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known

so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is

the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it

only the 12th house?

 

In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can

be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not

happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here;

Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

unless other wise forced by situation.)

I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted

in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least

that is what I have seen.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

>

>

> Please refer to me as Ash.

>

>

>

> 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

>

>

>

> So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

chart is the

> 12th house which is fixed.

>

>

>

>

>

> So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

planets placed

> in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

>

>

>

> Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

placed in the

> 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

house

> would be enhanced.

>

>

>

> Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

distinguish

> Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

things.

>

>

>

> Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.

>

>

>

> For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

karak sthan

> and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

spoilt then

> the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally

say that

> if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life

will be

> spoilt).

>

>

>

> So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house

of the

> chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an

> analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

quality, I

> can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

not

> powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

the same

> time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such

a person

> might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be

given by

> his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

one is

> quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

>

>

>

>

>

> So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

answer your

> questions below.

>

>

>

> 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

10th is

> karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of

a person

> from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

in 9th so

> its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

house a

> Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

here such a

> person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

>

> 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

9th lord

> is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th

from

> B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

more towards

> dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

>

> 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

now it

> means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and

> pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

means that

> itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger

12th

> house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

the antra

> of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

put in

> less effort.

>

> 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

effort and

> parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get

things

> without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both

are on

> spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.

>

>

>

> Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th

is

> dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

>

>

>

> Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good

> authority.

>

>

>

> Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO

of a

> large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> authority but there is a difference :-).

>

>

>

> So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

looses status

> and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

ruled by

> that planet is enhanced.

>

>

>

> Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

lord in 12th

> are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th

house is

> enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd

lord goes

> in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to

all

> houses.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

> On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

>

> Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ashji,

>

> I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> what I understood from one of the articles.

> (http://www3.

> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

>

> If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

> bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> 12th lord from it is posited there).

>

> If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

> exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

> Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

>

> Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

by

> them gets enhanced. "

>

> If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

> 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

>

> I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology , " Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> >

> >

> >

> > I would also like to share my view.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

> primary

> > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> 11th are

> > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> KAS, 12th

> > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

> goes in

> > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> for quality.

> > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

quality

> of 3rd

> > house is enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

> in primary

> > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

> 3rd and

> > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> heap.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> say u are

> > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

> becomes

> > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> timing job

> > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than

4

> bindu (it

> > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> bindus means

> > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

> so, say if

> > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

> and 9th

> > house.

> >

> >

> >

> > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

> cost of 3

> > other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> (which is

> > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

> so they

> > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

aspects

> will be

> > beneficial on 3 other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than

4

> bindus

> > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> consider it

> > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> house with say

> > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> with -5 on

> > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

and

> its

> > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> >

> >

> >

> > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

lord

> in 12th

> > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> astrology ] On Behalf Of

> Gopal Goel

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology ; kiran.rama

> > Re: To Sreenadhji:

> >

> >

> >

> > dear Kiranji,

> >

> > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> >

> > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

house

> lords in

> > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.

> >

> > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> results.

> >

> > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> placed in 8th

> > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> tendencies,

> > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

> livelihood. He

> > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

> to Virgo

> > and PISCES ascendants.

> >

> > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> tendencies , yet he

> > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

> in Lagna.

> >

> > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> >

> > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> signification of the

> > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> own ,exaltation or

> > friendly signs.

> >

> > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

impact

> of

> > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

also

> protect

> > the house.

> >

> > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> >

> > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

are

> placed in

> > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> >

> > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his

> own

> > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

> >

> > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

not

> be good

> > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> will be in

> > habit to blame others.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

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> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > To Sreenadhji:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

> on the

> > same:

> > Please help me in doing so:

> >

> > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

> house, Will

> > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

> period of

> > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> >

> > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

> to the

> > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

> or during

> > periods of the house lord also?

> >

> > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> 6th lord in

> > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> significations

> > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> cause

> > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

> things of

> > the house?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in

> this

> > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum

> Sarvam,

> > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> inherent

> > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas

are

> > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our

> > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> potential

> > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

The

> > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam

> > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

> man

> > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

Ocean,

> > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

the

> > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> Mother

> > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

Primordial

> > Prana Shakti.

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > Hari Venkataraman.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > ==>

> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> Poorvam

> > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > <==

> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used

the

> > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort

> to

> > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or

> call

> > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which

> > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the

> > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir,

> > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> understand

> > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> Veda

> > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> mind.

> > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned

> > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti

> > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is

> just

> > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni

> > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> forms

> > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> Vardandtu

> > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> both

> > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti.

> > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

of

> > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

inner

> > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very

> > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> could

> > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> and

> > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> interesting

> > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> concuss

> > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > >

> > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > questions

> > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

> group.

> > The

> > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> puranas/

> > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> meanings

> > of

> > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> inadequate.

> > The

> > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

have

> > seen

> > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > >

> > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

> are

> > used

> > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of

> > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > happened

> > > > before.

> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > Vedangas.

> > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

conflict

> > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

> taken

> > and

> > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> buddha,

> > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> disagrees

> > here.

> > > >

> > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line

> from

> > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

> who

> > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma

> nor

> > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > >

> > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also

not

> a

> > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various

> > other

> > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas

> > (mind);

> > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is

> not

> > one

> > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy

> to

> > his

> > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or

> Agni

> > or

> > > > Pushan, are

> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > >

> > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

havirbhiH

> |

> > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva

> t.h ||

> > > >

> > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in

> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control,

> are

> > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

Brahman

> > (R.V

> > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

> that

> > one

> > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is

> > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

> > brahman,

> > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > omniscient?) .

> > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading

> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

shira

> > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

> Taiitariya

> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> control

> > of

> > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

> call

> > it

> > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

ugraM

> > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made

> > Rudra,

> > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given

> the

> > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for

> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

> etc.

> > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the

> > Being

> > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of

> Lord

> > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form

of

> > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in

> > puranas

> > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > >

> > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

mail.

> > That

> > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

injunctions

> > and

> > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri

> Vedavyasa

> > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > >

> > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > sriram nayak

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_

> > <%40> astrology@

> .

> > com, rashmi patel

> > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI &

> > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> DAUGHTERS

> > OF

> > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > >

> > > > > THANKS

> > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > <%40> astrology@

> .

> > com

> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

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> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its

> > existence.

> > > > Be

> > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute

reality

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> Christianity.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history

> or

> > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism "

is

> > the

> > > > only

> > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

> their " ism "

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific

> > sect.

> > > > If

> > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in

this

> > world

> > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of

> Avila,

> > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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Dear Jyotiben,

Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords improve the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going into this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai traffic jams. Now your experience of your observations in divorce cases, 7HL going to 12H does has its share of reasons for separation i.e. 7H- kama bhava lord going to 12H- a moksha & "vyaya" and is 6H from 7H....so controversies galore !!

6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard work THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or satisfactory. Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL is getting to 8H, then indicates more of spiritual nature/developments. Same holds good for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have left out public favorite Vipareet Raja Yogas,....etc.}. The HL going to 11H from itself always enhances or strengthens its bhava - is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is very good for longevity.

Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those respective charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know from your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or she}, taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going to 12H means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for divorce - when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then simply give some statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in industry {gues-timate}

I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !!

It would be great to learn from your experiences.

 

, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house? In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.) I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards,Jyothi

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Dear Goel saab,

I appreciate and acknolwedge that you have been consistently posting something or other since you joined this group. Thank you for the same.

Being your "Guru bhai" take the privelege of agreeing and disagreeing on few points.

1) In all HL in 6H or 8H or 12H...etc... never forget the Lagna i.e. native himself. The hororscope belongs to him not to 7H !!

2) 7HL going to 12H does not give deception, as stated in my earlier post, it is 6H from 7H, so differences or "arguments" takes place resulting into serious irrevocable differences.

3) I have requested Jyotiben to share her observations for I am laying little emphasis on 7H-kama bhava, 12H - moksha bhava, so it 12H is on a higher pedestal,....so the "irrevocable" differences

4) If 7H is afflicted then career is also affected indirectly for it is 10H from 10H. { Jyotiben kindly do share that all those divorce cases in your data bank, comment on the career status in general}

5) 7HL going to 12H, then the native is idling in his work, resulting to unstable career...{ who wants a employee whose is not doing his job properly but involved in other hobbies i.e. 12H is 3H from 10H. 3H is also hobbies. For we are taking about 10H, then it means issues other than work i.e. idle office gossip, politics, chamchagiri, ....etc.. { this I call them office hobbies}.

6) Goel saab, please tell me in your normal analysis, which one you consider { we have excluded Rahu & Ketu, cases of debilitated planets...etc..in this } - dispositor or navamsa Lord or nakshatra of that planet.

7) If you were to consider all the three (Point 6) then I am sure , one would not be able to arrive at any prediction !!

8) Depending upon your response on (6), would comment later on your point (4) {The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement}.

with regards,

Sreeram Srinivas

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji, 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord of a house 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are very important to access the effects 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage. Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion. Important Note : Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the significance of 12th house . The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under: Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment Secondary Karkas : Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonment,misfortune,bad habits,secret nemies Jupiter- donations,heaven Ketu- salvation Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA

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Hey guys, Let me drive in. I am not going to cruise like Sreeram though. 7th lord in 12th is in double jeopardy. One, lord kameswara is 6 steps away from his puram. Not a happy situation. Two, he/she is severed from destination: spouse. 12th is severence from 1st. Laxmiben is articulate but a little addled with regard to, say, how bad is 8th vis-a-vis 3rd? And she has a sensitive, discriminating palate which she thinks ALONE is ENOUGH for savouring far-flung variety, but I promise I'd feed her good, solid staple first. We'll revisit this, Sreeramgaru. RK sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Dear Jyotiben, Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your permission. Going to the basics again, the

Upachaya Lords improve the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going into this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai traffic jams. Now your experience of your observations in divorce cases, 7HL going to 12H does has its share of reasons for separation i.e. 7H- kama bhava lord going to 12H- a moksha & "vyaya" and is 6H from 7H....so controversies galore !! 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard work THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or satisfactory. Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL is getting to 8H, then indicates more of spiritual nature/developments. Same holds good for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have left out public favorite Vipareet Raja Yogas,....etc.}. The HL going to 11H from itself always enhances or

strengthens its bhava - is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is very good for longevity. Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those respective charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know from your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or she}, taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going to 12H means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for divorce - when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then simply give some statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in industry {gues-timate} I have taken care not to use any Car

analogy here !! It would be great to learn from your experiences. , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house? In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be

other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.) I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have

seen. Regards,Jyothi

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Dear Goel and Lakshmi,

 

I beg to differ on some points and some

points I agree with.

 

Here the question was 7th lord

in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th house of

the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That will enhance

the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of growth,

heap and prosperity.

 

So 7th lord in 12th,

9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th

house results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger

good for 7th house results.

 

Now for divorce, there must be some yogs

present. So if such yogs are present so if such yogs are present then there

are chances of divorce, for example say lagna and 7th lords are in

6:8 or mo and 7th lord or sun and 7th, ve and 7th

lords and for females in addition we check mars and 7th lords.

 

So such things we check separately.

 

Now, I repeat again that Timing of event

and Quality of event are 2 different things. So Karak and its status will

control the quality or result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or

2nd lord of chart then there might be multiple marriages or

marriages might not last or in extreme cases there it might be denied.

 

I shall reply revert to Jyoti’s mail separately.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel

Friday December 14, 2007

5:00 AM

 

Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb

Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S N; Kedar M N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K

N; Rao K N; sohamsa; Dikshit

Re:

Re: To Ashji

 

Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji,

1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different

2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by

becoming a lord of a house

3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak

varga bala are very important to access the effects

4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in

auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad

placement

5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets

Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents

copulation being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from

third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th

lord is placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage.

 

Ash : 7th lord in 12th

means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya sthan.(6th and

10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are

secondary upachaya). So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th

house. Even Natural 7th lord i.e Venus gets exalted in 12th

house of Pisces. So that is good for 7th house significance. The

results of 7th house are enhanced and also for dual lord ship even

the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced by being

placed in 12th house.

 

Karak sthan is 2nd house – As per

old tradition, marriages were initiated by families.

Phal sthan is 7th – House under

focus

Phalit Sthan is 11th – life

long friend gained in the form of wife. Karak is 6th house so legally

related.

4th and 12th house

are samdudhi sthan. – These are in upachaya from Karak i.e. 2nd and

Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th

and 12th house is 6th from 7th and 11th

from 2nd.

 

11th house is 10th from

2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and 7th

house is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house.

 

12th house is also moksh sthan

and as per KAS we define it as pleasures in this life time itself and in

addition 12th house it is a Moksha sthan and on Spiritual Plane. So

the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that the cheapest form would be

physical pleasures of 12th house.

 

Infact 12th house is also 5th

from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house and 3rd

is the karak for death.

 

 

So making a long story short, if 7th

lord is in 12th house then its in upachaya sthan, and if that is bad

for 7th house then there is no meaning of upachaya or the meaning of

upachaya is destroyed.

 

Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st ,

5th and 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case

 

it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha

by functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion.

Important Note :

Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role

in protecting the significance of 12th house .

The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under:

Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss ,

punishment

Secondary Karkas :

Moon - recovery from

disease, sleep comfort

Venus - bed comforts,

overseas journey

Rahu-foreign residence or

travel, bondage,imprisonment,misfortune,bad habits,secret enemies

Jupiter- donations,heaven

Ketu- salvation

Regards,

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

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----

jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in>

 

Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM

Re: To Ashji

Dear Ash,

 

Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known

so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is

the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it

only the 12th house?

 

In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can

be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not

happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here;

Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

unless other wise forced by situation.)

I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted

in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least

that is what I have seen.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

ancient_indian_

astrology, " Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

>

>

> Please refer to me as Ash.

>

>

>

> 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

>

>

>

> So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

chart is the

> 12th house which is fixed.

>

>

>

>

>

> So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

planets placed

> in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

>

>

>

> Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

placed in the

> 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

house

> would be enhanced.

>

>

>

> Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

distinguish

> Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

things.

>

>

>

> Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.

>

>

>

> For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

karak sthan

> and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

spoilt then

> the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally

say that

> if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life

will be

> spoilt).

>

>

>

> So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house

of the

> chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an

> analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

quality, I

> can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

not

> powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

the same

> time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such

a person

> might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be

given by

> his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

one is

> quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

>

>

>

>

>

> So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

answer your

> questions below.

>

>

>

> 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

10th is

> karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of

a person

> from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

in 9th so

> its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

house a

> Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

here such a

> person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

>

> 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

9th lord

> is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th

from

> B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

more towards

> dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

>

> 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

now it

> means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and

> pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

means that

> itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger

12th

> house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

the antra

> of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

put in

> less effort.

>

> 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

effort and

> parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get

things

> without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both

are on

> spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th

is dharma trikon.

>

>

>

> Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th

is

> dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

>

>

>

> Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good

> authority.

>

>

>

> Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO

of a

> large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> authority but there is a difference :-).

>

>

>

> So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

looses status

> and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

ruled by

> that planet is enhanced.

>

>

>

> Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

lord in 12th

> are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th

house is

> enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd

lord goes

> in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to

all

> houses.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

ca> http://www.ashtro.

ca

>

> _____

>

> ancient_indian_

astrology

> [ancient_indian_

astrology] On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> ancient_indian_

astrology

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ashji,

>

> I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> what I understood from one of the articles.

> (http://www3.

> <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa

rriage.htm>

> telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm)

>

> If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

> bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> 12th lord from it is posited there).

>

> If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

> exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

> Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

>

> Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

by

> them gets enhanced. "

>

> If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

> 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

>

> I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com,

" Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> >

> >

> >

> > I would also like to share my view.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

> primary

> > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> 11th are

> > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> KAS, 12th

> > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

> goes in

> > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> for quality.

> > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

quality

> of 3rd

> > house is enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

> in primary

> > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

> 3rd and

> > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> heap.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> say u are

> > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

> becomes

> > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> timing job

> > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than

4

> bindu (it

> > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> bindus means

> > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

> so, say if

> > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

> and 9th

> > house.

> >

> >

> >

> > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

> cost of 3

> > other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> (which is

> > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

> so they

> > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

aspects

> will be

> > beneficial on 3 other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than

4

> bindus

> > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> consider it

> > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> house with say

> > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> with -5 on

> > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

and

> its

> > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> >

> >

> >

> > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

lord

> in 12th

> > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro. ca>

ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro. ca>

ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com

> > [ancient_ indian_

> <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com] On

Behalf Of

> Gopal Goel

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com;

kiran.rama

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> >

> >

> >

> > dear Kiranji,

> >

> > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> >

> > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

house

> lords in

> > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses.

> >

> > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> results.

> >

> > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> placed in 8th

> > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> tendencies,

> > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his

> livelihood. He

> > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

> to Virgo

> > and PISCES ascendants.

> >

> > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> tendencies , yet he

> > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

> in Lagna.

> >

> > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> >

> > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> signification of the

> > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> own ,exaltation or

> > friendly signs.

> >

> > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

impact

> of

> > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

also

> protect

> > the house.

> >

> > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> >

> > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

are

> placed in

> > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> >

> > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with

his

> own

> > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

> >

> > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

not

> be good

> > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> will be in

> > habit to blame others.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

 

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com

> > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

> on the

> > same:

> > Please help me in doing so:

> >

> > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

> house, Will

> > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

> period of

> > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> >

> > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

> to the

> > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

> or during

> > periods of the house lord also?

> >

> > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> 6th lord in

> > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> significations

> > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> cause

> > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

> things of

> > the house?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in

> this

> > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo

va idagum

> Sarvam,

> > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> inherent

> > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai

sarva Devata: All the Devatas

are

> > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our

> > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> potential

> > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

The

> > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

Pushpam

> > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

> man

> > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

Ocean,

> > the Milky

Ocean represents Suddha

Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

the

> > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> Mother

> > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

Primordial

> > Prana Shakti.

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > Hari Venkataraman.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > ==>

> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta

Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> Poorvam

> > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > <==

> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used

the

> > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort

> to

> > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or

> call

> > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which

> > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara'

are interchangeable words - meaning the

> > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir,

> > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> understand

> > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> Veda

> > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> mind.

> > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned

> > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > described..Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said

" Apo Naara Iti

> > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is

> just

> > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni

> > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> forms

> > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> Vardandtu

> > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> both

> > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

Srishti.

> > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

of

> > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

inner

> > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very

> > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> could

> > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> and

> > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> interesting

> > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> concuss

> > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > >

> > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > questions

> > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

> group.

> > The

> > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> puranas/

> > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> meanings

> > of

> > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> inadequate.

> > The

> > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

have

> > seen

> > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > >

> > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

 

> are

> > used

> > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple

of

> > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > happened

> > > > before.

> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > Vedangas.

> > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

conflict

> > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

> taken

> > and

> > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> buddha,

> > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> disagrees

> > here.

> > > >

> > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

line

> from

> > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

 

> who

> > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

Brahma

> nor

> > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > >

> > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also

not

> a

> > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

various

> > other

> > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

manas

> > (mind);

> > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there

is

> not

> > one

> > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

enemy

> to

> > his

> > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra

or

> Agni

> > or

> > > > Pushan, are

> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > >

> > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

havirbhiH

> |

> > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva

> t.h ||

> > > >

> > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > just like Rama and Krishna

are? The reason is again in

> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

control,

> are

> > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

Brahman

> > (R.V

> > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

 

> that

> > one

> > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form

is

> > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

 

> > brahman,

> > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > omniscient?) .

> > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

beheading

> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

shira

> > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in

> Taiitariya

> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> control

> > of

> > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

 

> call

> > it

> > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

ugraM

> > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

made

> > Rudra,

> > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

given

> the

> > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma

(for

> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

 

> etc..

> > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is

the

> > Being

> > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born

of

> Lord

> > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form

 

of

> > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred

in

> > puranas

> > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > >

> > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

mail.

> > That

> > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

injunctions

> > and

> > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by

Shri

> Vedavyasa

> > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > >

> > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi

and Saraswati.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > sriram nayak

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> .

> > com, rashmi patel

> > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI

&

> > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> DAUGHTERS

> > OF

> > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > >

> > > > > THANKS

> > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> .

> > com

> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

illusion

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no

" ism " for its

> > existence.

> > > > Be

> > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute

reality

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> Christianity.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in

history

> or

> > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their

" ism "

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Dear Jyothi,

 

In my previous mail I have said at the

outset that – Timing of Event and

Quality of Event are 2 different things.

 

Now for divorce to happen, there must be

some yogs in the chart for example as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is

in krittika or Ve to Sun distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is

aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is

less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or

Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula,

jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4

bindus placed in 7th house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in

divorce and particularly it its 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord

and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or navamsa.

 

Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo,

ve and ma and their 7th lords if they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more

chances of divorce.

 

These are some of the laws.

 

Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage

happens in lowest points or planets having power below 12 (for this you will

have to cast the chart using the KAS program to get the total power as u see in

my article) then such marriages can break when high power planets come or in

the antra lord of 4th or 12th lord.

 

Now, what all I am telling u is based on

KAS system.

 

Now 4th and 12th lords

in their antra if the delay period is over and there is marriage yog in chart

then if they get a chance they will give marriage. This is as far as timing of

event is concerned.

 

Now, if there is yog for divorce then if

low power planet comes or in 6th lord then more chances of such marriage

to end in a divorce depending.

 

 

So the biggest issues comes when people

confuse timing of event with quality of event.

 

Now when 7th lord is in 12th

house then 7th house results are enhanced.

 

The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it’s

the house of growth, heap and prosperity.

 

For 7th house under focus then

9th house is the house of father, guru, 12th house is

that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old system), 4th

house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls father checkes

before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so

authority house from 7th and 5th house is 11th

from 7th house or in other words that success of marriage would be falling

in love and having children. 5th from 1st and 11th

from 7th.

 

So all these houses are house of growth.

So if someone says that 12th house is bad for 7th house

then it does not gel well with the Upachaya theory.

 

 

 

Now in that chart on my web site, I

selected the lowest power planet for marriage of Mercury. If you check the

combined power of planet then Mercury only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy

marriage it becomes strongest significator. It is also 6th lord.

 

Now when high power planets came then

problems started to surface.

 

So as an analogy, if a “bad event

happened” then high power planets or 12th or 4th lord

for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth, heap and

prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try

to FLUSH out the “bad” marriage, so if they are powerful then such

a marriage will break.

 

Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going

through divorce then they will feel bad and under stress, but then that event

is good as its flushing out the bad. So in due course of time, when a person

looks back he or she will feel that it was good that such a thing happened as

they will go on to marry someone else and have a happier life.

 

This is an analogy of trying to get my

point across and highlight that “Timing of Event” is different from

“Quality of Event”

 

 

Now in reference to your friend who has

eye problems with Mo unccha in 12th house for Gemini lagna.

 

If you also refer to my previous mail, I

have said that if 12th lord is in 4th house then even if

a person does not have their own Car or House he will enjoy the result of that,

i.e. maybe the company might provide him with a 4 wheeler or 2 wheeler and a

company flat.

 

So, please think the same for your friend,

if she does not have good sight, but she will enjoy the results of 2nd

house.

 

So she might have yog’s for weak

eyesight, but at the same time she will enjoy the results of 2nd house.

So might get see the world from someone else’s eye. Her husband if she

is married will be good as 2nd house is enhanced. She might have a

good family and might enjoy the happiness from them even though she might be

away so things like that.

 

 

So it is quite possible that if 7th

lord is in 12th house and if there are yogs for divorce then he or

she might divorce but that might not be due to 7th lord being in 12th

house.

 

Also 12th house is opposite 6th

house and 6th house is the most malefic house so 12th house

becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are opposites. 1st

is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and

5th is unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling.

 

2nd house is self earned wealth

and 8th house is unearned wealth so u can call it inheritance of 12th

from 9th etc.

 

So based on that theory, 6th is

the most malefic house and planets placed in that the house signification of

the house that planet rules suffers and it’s the opposite if planets are

placed in 12th house.

 

 

Yes another thing, I wanted to share.

 

As far as KAS is concerned, death is the

most benefic event in the chart, and that happens in the highest power planet

of in the antra of 1st or 5th lord i.e. 6th from

8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power

means as per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am

keeping the “feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them

it would be a very sad and tragic event” .

 

I am basing this as per the very basic of

KAS system i.e the definition of good and bad events and that is based on the

fact that good events happen in highest power planet or in 10th or 6th

antra lord from the house under focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens

in 12th or 4th lord and malefic events happen in low

power planet.

 

So based on that death is 8th house

matter so its karak is 3rd house and 5th or House C as we

call it is 12th house or sort of next generation from 8th.

So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd

house might have been considered as Malefic house.

 

Infact 3rd house is that of

Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the moksh triplicity.

8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual

plane and 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on

physical plane so we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on

physical plane. 8th house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th

is most powerful of moksh triplicty and its on spiritual plane..

 

So 12th house in no way can be

bad.

 

I hope my mail has not confused you if it

has sorry about that. My only concern is that I can write and go on and on and

on but for that one has to understand the theory of KAS that I am working all

this off. That is not understood then I don’t think anything I will say

will be understood because many things that are as per KAS might see “apparently”

against the normal understanding of Jyotish.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi

Friday December 14, 2007

1:16 AM

 

Subject:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

 

Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known

so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is

the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it

only the 12th house?

 

In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can

be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not

happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here;

Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

unless other wise forced by situation.)

I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted

in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least

that is what I have seen.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

,

" Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

>

>

> Please refer to me as Ash.

>

>

>

> 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

>

>

>

> So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

chart is the

> 12th house which is fixed.

>

>

>

>

>

> So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

planets placed

> in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

>

>

>

> Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

placed in the

> 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

house

> would be enhanced.

>

>

>

> Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

distinguish

> Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

things.

>

>

>

> Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.

>

>

>

> For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

karak sthan

> and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

spoilt then

> the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally

say that

> if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life

will be

> spoilt).

>

>

>

> So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house

of the

> chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an

> analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

quality, I

> can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

not

> powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

the same

> time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such

a person

> might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be

given by

> his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

one is

> quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

>

>

>

>

>

> So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

answer your

> questions below.

>

>

>

> 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

10th is

> karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of

a person

> from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

in 9th so

> its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

house a

> Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

here such a

> person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

>

> 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

9th lord

> is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th

from

> B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

more towards

> dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

>

> 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

now it

> means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and

> pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

means that

> itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger

12th

> house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

the antra

> of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

put in

> less effort.

>

> 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

effort and

> parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get

things

> without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both

are on

> spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th

is dharma trikon.

>

>

>

> Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th

is

> dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

>

>

>

> Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good

> authority.

>

>

>

> Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO

of a

> large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> authority but there is a difference :-).

>

>

>

> So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

looses status

> and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

ruled by

> that planet is enhanced.

>

>

>

> Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

lord in 12th

> are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th

house is

> enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd

lord goes

> in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to

all

> houses.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

>

On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

>

> Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ashji,

>

> I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> what I understood from one of the articles.

> (http://www3.

> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

>

> If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

> bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> 12th lord from it is posited there).

>

> If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

> exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

> Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

>

> Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

by

> them gets enhanced. "

>

> If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

> 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

>

> I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology ,

" Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> >

> >

> >

> > I would also like to share my view.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

> primary

> > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> 11th are

> > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> KAS, 12th

> > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

> goes in

> > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> for quality.

> > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

quality

> of 3rd

> > house is enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

> in primary

> > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

> 3rd and

> > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> heap.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> say u are

> > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

> becomes

> > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> timing job

> > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than

4

> bindu (it

> > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> bindus means

> > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

> so, say if

> > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

> and 9th

> > house.

> >

> >

> >

> > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

> cost of 3

> > other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> (which is

> > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

> so they

> > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

aspects

> will be

> > beneficial on 3 other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than

4

> bindus

> > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> consider it

> > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> house with say

> > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> with -5 on

> > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

and

> its

> > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> >

> >

> >

> > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

lord

> in 12th

> > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> astrology ]

On Behalf Of

> Gopal Goel

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology ;

kiran.rama

> > Re: To Sreenadhji:

> >

> >

> >

> > dear Kiranji,

> >

> > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> >

> > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

house

> lords in

> > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.

> >

> > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> results.

> >

> > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> placed in 8th

> > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> tendencies,

> > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

> livelihood. He

> > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

> to Virgo

> > and PISCES ascendants.

> >

> > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> tendencies , yet he

> > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

> in Lagna.

> >

> > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> >

> > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> signification of the

> > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> own ,exaltation or

> > friendly signs.

> >

> > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

impact

> of

> > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

also

> protect

> > the house.

> >

> > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> >

> > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

are

> placed in

> > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> >

> > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with

his

> own

> > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

> >

> > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

not

> be good

> > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> will be in

> > habit to blame others.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

 

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > To Sreenadhji:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

> on the

> > same:

> > Please help me in doing so:

> >

> > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

> house, Will

> > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

> period of

> > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> >

> > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

> to the

> > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

> or during

> > periods of the house lord also?

> >

> > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> 6th lord in

> > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> significations

> > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> cause

> > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

> things of

> > the house?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in

> this

> > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo

va idagum

> Sarvam,

> > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> inherent

> > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai

sarva Devata: All the Devatas

are

> > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our

> > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> potential

> > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

The

> > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

Pushpam

> > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

> man

> > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

Ocean,

> > the Milky

Ocean represents Suddha

Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

the

> > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> Mother

> > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

Primordial

> > Prana Shakti.

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > Hari Venkataraman.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > ==>

> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta

Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> Poorvam

> > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > <==

> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used

the

> > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort

> to

> > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or

> call

> > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which

> > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara'

are interchangeable words - meaning the

> > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir,

> > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> understand

> > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> Veda

> > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> mind.

> > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned

> > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo

Naara Iti

> > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is

> just

> > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni

> > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> forms

> > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> Vardandtu

> > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> both

> > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

Srishti.

> > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

of

> > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

inner

> > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very

> > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> could

> > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> and

> > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> interesting

> > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> concuss

> > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > >

> > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > questions

> > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

> group.

> > The

> > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> puranas/

> > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> meanings

> > of

> > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> inadequate.

> > The

> > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

have

> > seen

> > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > >

> > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

 

> are

> > used

> > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple

of

> > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > happened

> > > > before.

> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > Vedangas.

> > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

conflict

> > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

> taken

> > and

> > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> buddha,

> > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> disagrees

> > here.

> > > >

> > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

line

> from

> > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

 

> who

> > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

Brahma

> nor

> > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > >

> > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also

not

> a

> > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

various

> > other

> > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

manas

> > (mind);

> > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there

is

> not

> > one

> > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

enemy

> to

> > his

> > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra

or

> Agni

> > or

> > > > Pushan, are

> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > >

> > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

havirbhiH

> |

> > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva

> t.h ||

> > > >

> > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > just like Rama and Krishna

are? The reason is again in

> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

control,

> are

> > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

Brahman

> > (R.V

> > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

 

> that

> > one

> > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form

is

> > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

 

> > brahman,

> > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > omniscient?) .

> > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

beheading

> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

shira

> > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

> Taiitariya

> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> control

> > of

> > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

 

> call

> > it

> > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

ugraM

> > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

made

> > Rudra,

> > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

given

> the

> > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma

(for

> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

 

> etc.

> > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is

the

> > Being

> > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born

of

> Lord

> > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form

 

of

> > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred

in

> > puranas

> > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > >

> > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

mail.

> > That

> > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

injunctions

> > and

> > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by

Shri

> Vedavyasa

> > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > >

> > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi

and Saraswati.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > sriram nayak

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

astrology@

> .

> > com, rashmi patel

> > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI

&

> > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> DAUGHTERS

> > OF

> > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > >

> > > > > THANKS

> > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

astrology@

> .

> > com

> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

illusion

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no

" ism " for its

> > existence.

> > > > Be

> > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute

reality

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> Christianity.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in

history

> or

> > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their

" ism "

is

> > the

> > > > only

> > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

> their " ism "

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any

specific

> > sect.

> > > > If

> > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones

in

this

> > world

> > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa

of

> Avila,

> > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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Dear Ash,

 

Thanks a lot for the detailed reply. For time being let me

concentrate on 7th lord in 12th. Rest I will digest properly and ask

you later.

 

Interesting way of looking at things. Rather I would like to say it

is like " Being positive " . Even if one had a divorce, we can say " It

happened for good " , or rephrasing your words, " rotten elements are

flushed out from our life paving a way for fresh elements to come

in " . So that is in short the results of planets in 12th, at least wrt

7th lord in 12th. So I hope, a person with 7th lord in 12th can

expect a second marriage which will be good?? If you dont mind my

asking, what is the guarantee that it will be good? I mean what is

the surety that the second marriage that happens because of

the " upachaya " quality of 12th will NOT be a rotten one? Or will this

(flushing) become a cyclic process (flush out-come in-flush out -come

in)as the 7th lord in 12th is not going to change its postion even

after a second marraige? Where is the end? Or is it that a second

marriage will not happen and the person becomes eternally free of all

commitments and got " moksh " from the cycle of marraiges?

 

KAS theory seems interesting anyway.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

 

, " Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

>

>

> In my previous mail I have said at the outset that - Timing of

Event and

> Quality of Event are 2 different things.

>

>

>

> Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for

example

> as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to

Sun

> distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by

Saturn and

> Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than

3deg20 and

> Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in

nakshtra of

> Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta,

Ju being

> 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in

7th

> house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly

it its

> 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or

navamsa.

>

>

>

> Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th

lords if

> they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce.

>

>

>

> These are some of the laws.

>

>

>

> Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or

planets

> having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart

using the

> KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such

> marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra

lord of 4th

> or 12th lord.

>

>

>

> Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system.

>

>

>

> Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over

and there

> is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give

marriage.

> This is as far as timing of event is concerned.

>

>

>

> Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or

in 6th

> lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce

depending.

>

>

>

>

>

> So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event

with quality

> of event.

>

>

>

> Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are

enhanced.

>

>

>

> The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it's the house of growth, heap

and

> prosperity.

>

>

>

> For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father,

guru, 12th

> house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old

system),

> 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls

father

> checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so

authority

> house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other

words that

> success of marriage would be falling in love and having children.

5th from

> 1st and 11th from 7th.

>

>

>

> So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that

12th house

> is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya

theory.

>

Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power

planet for

> marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet

then Mercury

> only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes

strongest

> significator. It is also 6th lord.

>

>

>

> Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface.

>

>

>

> So as an analogy, if a " bad event happened " then high power planets

or 12th

> or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth,

heap and

> prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try

to FLUSH

> out the " bad " marriage, so if they are powerful then such a

marriage will

> break.

>

>

>

> Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they

will feel

> bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing

out the

> bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she

will feel

> that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to

marry

> someone else and have a happier life.

>

>

>

> This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight

that

> " Timing of Event " is different from " Quality of Event "

>

>

>

>

>

> Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha

in 12th

> house for Gemini lagna.

>

>

>

> If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th

lord is in

> 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or

House he will

> enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him

with a 4

> wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat.

>

>

>

> So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have

good sight,

> but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house.

>

>

>

> So she might have yog's for weak eyesight, but at the same time she

will

> enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from

someone

> else's eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd

house is

> enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the

happiness from

> them even though she might be away so things like that.

>

>

>

>

>

> So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if

there are

> yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be

due to

> 7th lord being in 12th house.

>

>

>

> Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most

malefic

> house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are

opposites.

> 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is

> unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling.

>

>

>

> 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so

u can

> call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc.

>

>

>

> So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets

placed in

> that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers

and it's

> the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house.

>

>

>

>

>

> Yes another thing, I wanted to share.

>

>

>

> As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the

chart,

> and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st

or 5th

> lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power

means as

> per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am

keeping the

> " feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it

would be a

> very sad and tragic event " .

>

>

>

> I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the

definition of

> good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events

happen in

> highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house

under

> focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or

4th lord

> and malefic events happen in low power planet.

>

>

>

> So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd

house and 5th

> or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation

from 8th.

> So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have

been

> considered as Malefic house.

>

>

>

> Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the

moksh

> triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual

plane and

> 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical

plane so

> we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical

plane. 8th

> house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of

moksh

> triplicty and its on spiritual plane..

>

>

>

> So 12th house in no way can be bad.

>

>

>

> I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My

only

> concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that

one has to

> understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That

is not

> understood then I don't think anything I will say will be

understood because

> many things that are as per KAS might see " apparently " against the

normal

> understanding of Jyotish.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

> On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM

>

> Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

known

> so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

> would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th

is

> the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is

it

> only the 12th house?

>

> In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

> common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There

can

> be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

> life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it

not

> happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house

here;

> Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> unless other wise forced by situation.)

> I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

exalted

> in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

> her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

> see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

> not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

> know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

> the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At

least

> that is what I have seen.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology , " Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> >

> >

> > Please refer to me as Ash.

> >

> >

> >

> > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

> >

> >

> >

> > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

> chart is the

> > 12th house which is fixed.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

> planets placed

> > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

> >

> >

> >

> > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

> placed in the

> > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

> house

> > would be enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

> distinguish

> > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

> things.

> >

> >

> >

> > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak

planet.

> >

> >

> >

> > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

> karak sthan

> > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

> spoilt then

> > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we

generally

> say that

> > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital

life

> will be

> > spoilt).

> >

> >

> >

> > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th

house

> of the

> > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As

an

> > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

> quality, I

> > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

> not

> > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

> the same

> > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so

such

> a person

> > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might

be

> given by

> > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

> one is

> > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

> answer your

> > questions below.

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

> 10th is

> > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career

of

> a person

> > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

> in 9th so

> > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

> house a

> > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

> here such a

> > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

> >

> > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

> 9th lord

> > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as

12th

> from

> > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

> more towards

> > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

> >

> > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

> now it

> > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment

and

> > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

> means that

> > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will

trigger

> 12th

> > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

> the antra

> > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

> put in

> > less effort.

> >

> > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

> effort and

> > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u

get

> things

> > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate.

Both

> are on

> > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in

10th

> is

> > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

> >

> >

> >

> > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have

good

> > authority.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the

CEO

> of a

> > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> > authority but there is a difference :-).

> >

> >

> >

> > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

> looses status

> > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

> ruled by

> > that planet is enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

> lord in 12th

> > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then

6th

> house is

> > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and

3rd

> lord goes

> > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable

to

> all

> > houses.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

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> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> astrology ] On Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > Re: To Ashji

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ashji,

> >

> > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> > what I understood from one of the articles.

> > (http://www3.

> > <http://www3.

> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

> >

> > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then

the

> > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> > 12th lord from it is posited there).

> >

> > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But

this

> > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is

a

> > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

> >

> > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

> by

> > them gets enhanced. "

> >

> > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't

the

> > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

> >

> > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com, " Ash "

> <kas@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I would also like to share my view.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into

its

> > primary

> > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> > 11th are

> > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> > enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> > KAS, 12th

> > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet

that

> > goes in

> > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> > for quality.

> > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

> quality

> > of 3rd

> > > house is enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd

i.e.

> > in primary

> > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority

from

> > 3rd and

> > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> > heap.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> > say u are

> > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd

house

> > becomes

> > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> > timing job

> > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more

than

> 4

> > bindu (it

> > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> > bindus means

> > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite

aspect

> > so, say if

> > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th,

5th

> > and 9th

> > > house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at

the

> > cost of 3

> > > other house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> > (which is

> > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in

SAV),

> > so they

> > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

> aspects

> > will be

> > > beneficial on 3 other house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more

than

> 4

> > bindus

> > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> > consider it

> > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> > house with say

> > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> > with -5 on

> > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

> and

> > its

> > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

> lord

> > in 12th

> > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > >

> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca>

> ca> ca>

> http://www.ashtro.

> > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

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> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > [ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com]

On Behalf

> Of

> > Gopal Goel

> > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com;

> kiran.rama

> > > Re: To Sreenadhji:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear Kiranji,

> > >

> > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> > >

> > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

> house

> > lords in

> > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.

> > >

> > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> > results.

> > >

> > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> > placed in 8th

> > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> > tendencies,

> > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

> > livelihood. He

> > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not

apply

> > to Virgo

> > > and PISCES ascendants.

> > >

> > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> > tendencies , yet he

> > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will

fall

> > in Lagna.

> > >

> > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> > >

> > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> > signification of the

> > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> > own ,exaltation or

> > > friendly signs.

> > >

> > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

> impact

> > of

> > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

> also

> > protect

> > > the house.

> > >

> > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> > >

> > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

> are

> > placed in

> > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> > >

> > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with

his

> > own

> > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound

health.

> > >

> > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

> not

> > be good

> > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> > will be in

> > > habit to blame others.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > > To Sreenadhji:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in

understanding

> > on the

> > > same:

> > > Please help me in doing so:

> > >

> > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the

8th

> > house, Will

> > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in

the

> > period of

> > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> > >

> > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause

obstruction

> > to the

> > > significations of the house only during the period of the

malefic

> > or during

> > > periods of the house lord also?

> > >

> > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> > 6th lord in

> > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> > significations

> > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> > cause

> > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only

good

> > things of

> > > the house?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But

in

> > this

> > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the

world

> > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum

> > Sarvam,

> > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> > inherent

> > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas

> are

> > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in

our

> > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> > potential

> > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

> The

> > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

Pushpam

> > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

> > man

> > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

> Ocean,

> > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

> the

> > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> > Mother

> > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

> Primordial

> > > Prana Shakti.

> > > > With regards,

> > > >

> > > Hari Venkataraman.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> > Poorvam

> > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > > <==

> > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used

> the

> > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not

resort

> > to

> > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean'

(or

> > call

> > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from

which

> > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning

the

> > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> > understand

> > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> > Veda

> > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> > mind.

> > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is

mentioned

> > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara

Iti

> > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who

is

> > just

> > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But

Agni

> > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> > forms

> > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> > Vardandtu

> > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> > both

> > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

Srishti.

> > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

> of

> > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

> inner

> > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is

very

> > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> > could

> > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> > and

> > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> > interesting

> > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> > concuss

> > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > > questions

> > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

> > group.

> > > The

> > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> > puranas/

> > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> > meanings

> > > of

> > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> > inadequate.

> > > The

> > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

> have

> > > seen

> > > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > > >

> > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

> > are

> > > used

> > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple

of

> > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > > happened

> > > > > before.

> > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > > Vedangas.

> > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

> conflict

> > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

> > taken

> > > and

> > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> > buddha,

> > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> > disagrees

> > > here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

line

> > from

> > > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

> > who

> > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

Brahma

> > nor

> > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > > >

> > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also

> not

> > a

> > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

various

> > > other

> > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

manas

> > > (mind);

> > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there

is

> > not

> > > one

> > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

enemy

> > to

> > > his

> > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra

or

> > Agni

> > > or

> > > > > Pushan, are

> > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > > >

> > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

> havirbhiH

> > |

> > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva

> > t.h ||

> > > > >

> > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in

> > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

control,

> > are

> > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

> Brahman

> > > (R.V

> > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

> > that

> > > one

> > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form

is

> > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

> > > brahman,

> > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > > omniscient?) .

> > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

beheading

> > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

> shira

> > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

> > Taiitariya

> > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> > control

> > > of

> > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

> > call

> > > it

> > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

> ugraM

> > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

made

> > > Rudra,

> > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

given

> > the

> > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for

> > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

> > etc.

> > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is

the

> > > Being

> > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born

of

> > Lord

> > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form

> of

> > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred

in

> > > puranas

> > > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > > >

> > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

> mail.

> > > That

> > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

> injunctions

> > > and

> > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri

> > Vedavyasa

> > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > > >

> > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and

Saraswati.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > sriram nayak

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > <%40> astrology@

> > .

> > > com, rashmi patel

> > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > THANKS

> > > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > <%40> astrology@

> > .

> > > com

> > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

illusion

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > existence.

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> > > > > the

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> > or

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> is

> > > the

> > > > > only

> > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

> > their " ism "

> > > > > > properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any

specific

> > > sect.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in

> this

> > > world

> > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of

> > Avila,

> > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Jyotiben,

 

In this days of internet marriages, BPO marriages, happened to see few

cases closely known to me, where the well " arranged " marriages

happened, saw that the dasha prevailing had some good connections to

6H & 8H.....infact the mahadasha lord was also weak, resulted in

divorce proceedings within 6 months of marriage - 3 nos cases.

 

In another interesting case, divorce proceedings started immediately a

day after the marriage !! Here, the dasha was all ok ok. Where did

it go wrong...checked the Muhurta...got the answer......

 

So 7HL in 12H, in certain cases, can still sustain marriage, if a good

muhurat is worked out. The muhurat of marriage { Tying the three knots

or Pheras {Going Round} around the fire}, is not a question of timing,

there lies a great astrology i.e. Gods get invoked for their blessings.

If you were to tell me the muhurat time, then I will tell you which Gods

i.e. of the nine planets is " angry " !! and what are its results /

consequences.

 

Late Sri Z. Ansari the co-founder of BVB, New Delhi, was an expert on

this !!

 

In conclusion, the muhurat is not just about auspiocious time as the

panditji's make it, but the time has to be selected considering the

hororscopes of both bride & bridegroom.

 

I once had to attend the marriage function of my junior colleague's

sister { generally avoid for they are more of - " eating out " occasions

atleast in Northern India, rather a auspious event gracing} , where the

muhurat was fixed by the Bridegroom's family pandit, to which I

intensely disagreed and it was alove affair, bridegroom parents were

found very fussy....so they did not want me to argue which may effect

things later.

 

Later, patiently built up some rapport with the panditji, for 3 hrs,

assessed his astro_strengths, reasoned with him on the choosen

muhurat.....he found me asking him some core questions for which he did

not have answers.....later told in plain Agra Hindi, that we both want

the marriage to survive....so why not accept what I am

proposing....luckily for me...he relented..... {the boy is a airforce

pilot...and his dasha was NOT good...Rahu -Mars period is coming in end

2008-2009 period, when Jupiter goes into debilitation...etc..}...Girl's

chart was showing second marriage....boy's chart was showing a serious

accident....can be fatality or bodily handicap...etc... in short it is

a serious case...

 

Need to wait and see what happens,.......

 

Cannot share somethings in public for protecting the technique falling

in wrong hands, would suggest if your friend should she go for

re-marry......let us pool and do some needful astrology for your

friends..... { contact offline}

 

With regards,

 

sreeram srinivas

 

 

 

 

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

 

Dear Ash,

 

Thanks a lot for the detailed reply. For time being let me

concentrate on 7th lord in 12th. Rest I will digest properly and ask

you later.

 

Interesting way of looking at things. Rather I would like to say it

is like " Being positive " . Even if one had a divorce, we can say " It

happened for good " , or rephrasing your words, " rotten elements are

flushed out from our life paving a way for fresh elements to come

in " . So that is in short the results of planets in 12th, at least wrt

7th lord in 12th. So I hope, a person with 7th lord in 12th can

expect a second marriage which will be good?? If you dont mind my

asking, what is the guarantee that it will be good? I mean what is

the surety that the second marriage that happens because of

the " upachaya " quality of 12th will NOT be a rotten one? Or will this

(flushing) become a cyclic process (flush out-come in-flush out -come

in)as the 7th lord in 12th is not going to change its postion even

after a second marraige? Where is the end? Or is it that a second

marriage will not happen and the person becomes eternally free of all

commitments and got " moksh " from the cycle of marraiges?

 

KAS theory seems interesting anyway.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

>

>

> , " Ash " kas@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> >

> >

> > In my previous mail I have said at the outset that - Timing of

> Event and

> > Quality of Event are 2 different things.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for

> example

> > as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to

> Sun

> > distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by

> Saturn and

> > Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than

> 3deg20 and

> > Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in

> nakshtra of

> > Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta,

> Ju being

> > 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in

> 7th

> > house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly

> it its

> > 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or

> navamsa.

> >

> >

> >

> > Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th

> lords if

> > they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce.

> >

> >

> >

> > These are some of the laws.

> >

> >

> >

> > Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or

> planets

> > having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart

> using the

> > KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such

> > marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra

> lord of 4th

> > or 12th lord.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over

> and there

> > is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give

> marriage.

> > This is as far as timing of event is concerned.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or

> in 6th

> > lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce

> depending.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event

> with quality

> > of event.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are

> enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it's the house of growth, heap

> and

> > prosperity.

> >

> >

> >

> > For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father,

> guru, 12th

> > house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old

> system),

> > 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls

> father

> > checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so

> authority

> > house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other

> words that

> > success of marriage would be falling in love and having children.

> 5th from

> > 1st and 11th from 7th.

> >

> >

> >

> > So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that

> 12th house

> > is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya

> theory.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power

> planet for

> > marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet

> then Mercury

> > only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes

> strongest

> > significator. It is also 6th lord.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface.

> >

> >

> >

> > So as an analogy, if a " bad event happened " then high power planets

> or 12th

> > or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth,

> heap and

> > prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try

> to FLUSH

> > out the " bad " marriage, so if they are powerful then such a

> marriage will

> > break.

> >

> >

> >

> > Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they

> will feel

> > bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing

> out the

> > bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she

> will feel

> > that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to

> marry

> > someone else and have a happier life.

> >

> >

> >

> > This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight

> that

> > " Timing of Event " is different from " Quality of Event "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha

> in 12th

> > house for Gemini lagna.

> >

> >

> >

> > If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th

> lord is in

> > 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or

> House he will

> > enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him

> with a 4

> > wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat.

> >

> >

> >

> > So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have

> good sight,

> > but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house.

> >

> >

> >

> > So she might have yog's for weak eyesight, but at the same time she

> will

> > enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from

> someone

> > else's eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd

> house is

> > enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the

> happiness from

> > them even though she might be away so things like that.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if

> there are

> > yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be

> due to

> > 7th lord being in 12th house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most

> malefic

> > house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are

> opposites.

> > 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is

> > unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so

> u can

> > call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets

> placed in

> > that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers

> and it's

> > the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes another thing, I wanted to share.

> >

> >

> >

> > As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the

> chart,

> > and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st

> or 5th

> > lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power

> means as

> > per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am

> keeping the

> > " feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it

> would be a

> > very sad and tragic event " .

> >

> >

> >

> > I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the

> definition of

> > good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events

> happen in

> > highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house

> under

> > focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or

> 4th lord

> > and malefic events happen in low power planet.

> >

> >

> >

> > So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd

> house and 5th

> > or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation

> from 8th.

> > So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have

> been

> > considered as Malefic house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the

> moksh

> > triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual

> plane and

> > 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical

> plane so

> > we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical

> plane. 8th

> > house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of

> moksh

> > triplicty and its on spiritual plane..

> >

> >

> >

> > So 12th house in no way can be bad.

> >

> >

> >

> > I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My

> only

> > concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that

> one has to

> > understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That

> is not

> > understood then I don't think anything I will say will be

> understood because

> > many things that are as per KAS might see " apparently " against the

> normal

> > understanding of Jyotish.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM

> >

> > Re: To Ashji

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

> known

> > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

> > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th

> is

> > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is

> it

> > only the 12th house?

> >

> > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

> > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There

> can

> > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

> > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it

> not

> > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house

> here;

> > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> > unless other wise forced by situation.)

> > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

> exalted

> > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

> > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

> > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

> > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

> > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

> > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At

> least

> > that is what I have seen.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Please refer to me as Ash.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

> > chart is the

> > > 12th house which is fixed.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

> > planets placed

> > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

> > placed in the

> > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

> > house

> > > would be enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

> > distinguish

> > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

> > things.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak

> planet.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

> > karak sthan

> > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

> > spoilt then

> > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we

> generally

> > say that

> > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital

> life

> > will be

> > > spoilt).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th

> house

> > of the

> > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As

> an

> > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

> > quality, I

> > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

> > not

> > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

> > the same

> > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so

> such

> > a person

> > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might

> be

> > given by

> > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

> > one is

> > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

> > answer your

> > > questions below.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

> > 10th is

> > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career

> of

> > a person

> > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

> > in 9th so

> > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

> > house a

> > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

> > here such a

> > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

> > >

> > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

> > 9th lord

> > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as

> 12th

> > from

> > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

> > more towards

> > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

> > >

> > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

> > now it

> > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment

> and

> > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

> > means that

> > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will

> trigger

> > 12th

> > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

> > the antra

> > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

> > put in

> > > less effort.

> > >

> > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

> > effort and

> > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u

> get

> > things

> > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate.

> Both

> > are on

> > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in

> 10th

> > is

> > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have

> good

> > > authority.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the

> CEO

> > of a

> > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> > > authority but there is a difference :-).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

> > looses status

> > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

> > ruled by

> > > that planet is enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

> > lord in 12th

> > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then

> 6th

> > house is

> > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and

> 3rd

> > lord goes

> > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable

> to

> > all

> > > houses.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > >

> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

> http://www.ashtro.

> > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology

> > > [ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

> > astrology ] On Behalf Of

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology

> > > Re: To Ashji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ashji,

> > >

> > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> > > what I understood from one of the articles.

> > > (http://www3.

> > > <http://www3.

> > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

> > >

> > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then

> the

> > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> > > 12th lord from it is posited there).

> > >

> > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But

> this

> > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is

> a

> > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

> > >

> > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

> > by

> > > them gets enhanced. "

> > >

> > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't

> the

> > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

> > >

> > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

> ps.com, " Ash "

> > <kas@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I would also like to share my view.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into

> its

> > > primary

> > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> > > 11th are

> > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> > > enhanced.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> > > KAS, 12th

> > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet

> that

> > > goes in

> > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> > > for quality.

> > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

> > quality

> > > of 3rd

> > > > house is enhanced.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd

> i.e.

> > > in primary

> > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority

> from

> > > 3rd and

> > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> > > heap.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> > > say u are

> > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd

> house

> > > becomes

> > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> > > timing job

> > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more

> than

> > 4

> > > bindu (it

> > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> > > bindus means

> > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite

> aspect

> > > so, say if

> > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th,

> 5th

> > > and 9th

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at

> the

> > > cost of 3

> > > > other house.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> > > (which is

> > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in

> SAV),

> > > so they

> > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

> > aspects

> > > will be

> > > > beneficial on 3 other house.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more

> than

> > 4

> > > bindus

> > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> > > consider it

> > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> > > house with say

> > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> > > with -5 on

> > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

> > and

> > > its

> > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

> > lord

> > > in 12th

> > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > >

> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

> > ca> ca>

> > http://www.ashtro.

> > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > > [ancient_indian_

> > > <%40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com]

> On Behalf

> > Of

> > > Gopal Goel

> > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com;

> > kiran.rama

> > > > Re: To Sreenadhji:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dear Kiranji,

> > > >

> > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> > > >

> > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

> > house

> > > lords in

> > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.

> > > >

> > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> > > results.

> > > >

> > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> > > placed in 8th

> > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> > > tendencies,

> > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

> > > livelihood. He

> > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not

> apply

> > > to Virgo

> > > > and PISCES ascendants.

> > > >

> > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> > > tendencies , yet he

> > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will

> fall

> > > in Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> > > >

> > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> > > signification of the

> > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> > > own ,exaltation or

> > > > friendly signs.

> > > >

> > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

> > impact

> > > of

> > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

> > also

> > > protect

> > > > the house.

> > > >

> > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> > > >

> > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

> > are

> > > placed in

> > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> > > >

> > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with

> his

> > > own

> > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound

> health.

> > > >

> > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

> > not

> > > be good

> > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> > > will be in

> > > > habit to blame others.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > INDIA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com

> > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > > > To Sreenadhji:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in

> understanding

> > > on the

> > > > same:

> > > > Please help me in doing so:

> > > >

> > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the

> 8th

> > > house, Will

> > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in

> the

> > > period of

> > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> > > >

> > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause

> obstruction

> > > to the

> > > > significations of the house only during the period of the

> malefic

> > > or during

> > > > periods of the house lord also?

> > > >

> > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> > > 6th lord in

> > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> > > significations

> > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> > > cause

> > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only

> good

> > > things of

> > > > the house?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > > 40>

> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But

> in

> > > this

> > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the

> world

> > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum

> > > Sarvam,

> > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> > > inherent

> > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas

> > are

> > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in

> our

> > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> > > potential

> > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

> > The

> > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

> Pushpam

> > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

> > > man

> > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

> > Ocean,

> > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

> > the

> > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> > > Mother

> > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

> > Primordial

> > > > Prana Shakti.

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > >

> > > > Hari Venkataraman.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> > > Poorvam

> > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used

> > the

> > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not

> resort

> > > to

> > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean'

> (or

> > > call

> > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from

> which

> > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning

> the

> > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > > 40>

> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> > > understand

> > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> > > Veda

> > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> > > mind.

> > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is

> mentioned

> > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara

> Iti

> > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who

> is

> > > just

> > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But

> Agni

> > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> > > forms

> > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> > > Vardandtu

> > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> > > both

> > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

> Srishti.

> > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

> > of

> > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

> > inner

> > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is

> very

> > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> > > could

> > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> > > and

> > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> > > interesting

> > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> > > concuss

> > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > > > questions

> > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

> > > group.

> > > > The

> > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> > > puranas/

> > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> > > meanings

> > > > of

> > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> > > inadequate.

> > > > The

> > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

> > have

> > > > seen

> > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

> > > are

> > > > used

> > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple

> of

> > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > > > happened

> > > > > > before.

> > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > > > Vedangas.

> > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

> > conflict

> > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

> > > taken

> > > > and

> > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> > > buddha,

> > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> > > disagrees

> > > > here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

> line

> > > from

> > > > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

> > > who

> > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

> Brahma

> > > nor

> > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also

> > not

> > > a

> > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

> various

> > > > other

> > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

> manas

> > > > (mind);

> > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there

> is

> > > not

> > > > one

> > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

> enemy

> > > to

> > > > his

> > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra

> or

> > > Agni

> > > > or

> > > > > > Pushan, are

> > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

> > havirbhiH

> > > |

> > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

> vartirashvinAvirAva

> > > t.h ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in

> > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

> control,

> > > are

> > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

> > Brahman

> > > > (R.V

> > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

> > > that

> > > > one

> > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form

> is

> > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

> > > > brahman,

> > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > > > omniscient?) .

> > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

> beheading

> > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

> > shira

> > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

> > > Taiitariya

> > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> > > control

> > > > of

> > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

> > > call

> > > > it

> > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

> > ugraM

> > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

> made

> > > > Rudra,

> > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

> given

> > > the

> > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for

> > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

> > > etc.

> > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is

> the

> > > > Being

> > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born

> of

> > > Lord

> > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form

> > of

> > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred

> in

> > > > puranas

> > > > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

> > mail.

> > > > That

> > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

> > injunctions

> > > > and

> > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri

> > > Vedavyasa

> > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and

> Saraswati.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > sriram nayak

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > <%40> astrology@

> > > .

> > > > com, rashmi patel

> > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI &

> > > > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> > > DAUGHTERS

> > > > OF

> > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > THANKS

> > > > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > <%40> astrology@

> > > .

> > > > com

> > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

> illusion

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

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Dear Dash-ing saab,

Surely will revisit this topic.....sooner and later....shall wait for you to continue your postings....which were long pending.....

with regards,

sreeram srinivas

, rk dash <arkaydash wrote:

Hey guys, Let me drive in. I am not going to cruise like Sreeram though. 7th lord in 12th is in double jeopardy. One, lord kameswara is 6 steps away from his puram. Not a happy situation. Two, he/she is severed from destination: spouse. 12th is severence from 1st. Laxmiben is articulate but a little addled with regard to, say, how bad is 8th vis-a-vis 3rd? And she has a sensitive, discriminating palate which she thinks ALONE is ENOUGH for savouring far-flung variety, but I promise I'd feed her good, solid staple first. We'll revisit this, Sreeramgaru. RK

 

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Dear Sreeramji,

 

How do you check if the dasa lord is strong? Is it by checking if the

dasa lord is in own or exalted sign? Or is it by checking the

ashtavarga points in the sign of the planet?

 

Regards,

jyothi

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Jyotiben,

>

> In this days of internet marriages, BPO marriages, happened to see

few

> cases closely known to me, where the well " arranged " marriages

> happened, saw that the dasha prevailing had some good connections

to

> 6H & 8H.....infact the mahadasha lord was also weak, resulted in

> divorce proceedings within 6 months of marriage - 3 nos cases.

>

> In another interesting case, divorce proceedings started

immediately a

> day after the marriage !! Here, the dasha was all ok ok. Where

did

> it go wrong...checked the Muhurta...got the answer......

>

> So 7HL in 12H, in certain cases, can still sustain marriage, if a

good

> muhurat is worked out. The muhurat of marriage { Tying the three

knots

> or Pheras {Going Round} around the fire}, is not a question of

timing,

> there lies a great astrology i.e. Gods get invoked for their

blessings.

> If you were to tell me the muhurat time, then I will tell you which

Gods

> i.e. of the nine planets is " angry " !! and what are its results /

> consequences.

>

> Late Sri Z. Ansari the co-founder of BVB, New Delhi, was an expert

on

> this !!

>

> In conclusion, the muhurat is not just about auspiocious time as the

> panditji's make it, but the time has to be selected considering the

> hororscopes of both bride & bridegroom.

>

> I once had to attend the marriage function of my junior colleague's

> sister { generally avoid for they are more of - " eating out "

occasions

> atleast in Northern India, rather a auspious event gracing} , where

the

> muhurat was fixed by the Bridegroom's family pandit, to which I

> intensely disagreed and it was alove affair, bridegroom parents were

> found very fussy....so they did not want me to argue which may

effect

> things later.

>

> Later, patiently built up some rapport with the panditji, for 3 hrs,

> assessed his astro_strengths, reasoned with him on the choosen

> muhurat.....he found me asking him some core questions for which he

did

> not have answers.....later told in plain Agra Hindi, that we both

want

> the marriage to survive....so why not accept what I am

> proposing....luckily for me...he relented..... {the boy is a

airforce

> pilot...and his dasha was NOT good...Rahu -Mars period is coming in

end

> 2008-2009 period, when Jupiter goes into

debilitation...etc..}...Girl's

> chart was showing second marriage....boy's chart was showing a

serious

> accident....can be fatality or bodily handicap...etc... in short

it is

> a serious case...

>

> Need to wait and see what happens,.......

>

> Cannot share somethings in public for protecting the technique

falling

> in wrong hands, would suggest if your friend should she go for

> re-marry......let us pool and do some needful astrology for your

> friends..... { contact offline}

>

> With regards,

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

>

>

>

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thanks a lot for the detailed reply. For time being let me

> concentrate on 7th lord in 12th. Rest I will digest properly and ask

> you later.

>

> Interesting way of looking at things. Rather I would like to say it

> is like " Being positive " . Even if one had a divorce, we can say " It

> happened for good " , or rephrasing your words, " rotten elements are

> flushed out from our life paving a way for fresh elements to come

> in " . So that is in short the results of planets in 12th, at least

wrt

> 7th lord in 12th. So I hope, a person with 7th lord in 12th can

> expect a second marriage which will be good?? If you dont mind my

> asking, what is the guarantee that it will be good? I mean what is

> the surety that the second marriage that happens because of

> the " upachaya " quality of 12th will NOT be a rotten one? Or will

this

> (flushing) become a cyclic process (flush out-come in-flush out -

come

> in)as the 7th lord in 12th is not going to change its postion even

> after a second marraige? Where is the end? Or is it that a second

> marriage will not happen and the person becomes eternally free of

all

> commitments and got " moksh " from the cycle of marraiges?

>

> KAS theory seems interesting anyway.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

>

> >

> >

> > , " Ash " kas@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In my previous mail I have said at the outset that - Timing of

> > Event and

> > > Quality of Event are 2 different things.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart

for

> > example

> > > as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve

to

> > Sun

> > > distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by

> > Saturn and

> > > Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than

> > 3deg20 and

> > > Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in

> > nakshtra of

> > > Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula,

jayeshta,

> > Ju being

> > > 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed

in

> > 7th

> > > house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and

particularly

> > it its

> > > 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi

or

> > navamsa.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their

7th

> > lords if

> > > they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > These are some of the laws.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest

points or

> > planets

> > > having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart

> > using the

> > > KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then

such

> > > marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra

> > lord of 4th

> > > or 12th lord.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is

over

> > and there

> > > is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will

give

> > marriage.

> > > This is as far as timing of event is concerned.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes

or

> > in 6th

> > > lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce

> > depending.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event

> > with quality

> > > of event.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are

> > enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it's the house of growth,

heap

> > and

> > > prosperity.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father,

> > guru, 12th

> > > house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per

old

> > system),

> > > 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the

girls

> > father

> > > checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th

so

> > authority

> > > house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other

> > words that

> > > success of marriage would be falling in love and having

children.

> > 5th from

> > > 1st and 11th from 7th.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that

> > 12th house

> > > is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya

> > theory.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power

> > planet for

> > > marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet

> > then Mercury

> > > only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes

> > strongest

> > > significator. It is also 6th lord.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now when high power planets came then problems started to

surface.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So as an analogy, if a " bad event happened " then high power

planets

> > or 12th

> > > or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create

growth,

> > heap and

> > > prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will

try

> > to FLUSH

> > > out the " bad " marriage, so if they are powerful then such a

> > marriage will

> > > break.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then

they

> > will feel

> > > bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its

flushing

> > out the

> > > bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or

she

> > will feel

> > > that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on

to

> > marry

> > > someone else and have a happier life.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and

highlight

> > that

> > > " Timing of Event " is different from " Quality of Event "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo

unccha

> > in 12th

> > > house for Gemini lagna.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th

> > lord is in

> > > 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or

> > House he will

> > > enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide

him

> > with a 4

> > > wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have

> > good sight,

> > > but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So she might have yog's for weak eyesight, but at the same time

she

> > will

> > > enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from

> > someone

> > > else's eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd

> > house is

> > > enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the

> > happiness from

> > > them even though she might be away so things like that.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if

> > there are

> > > yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might

not be

> > due to

> > > 7th lord being in 12th house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most

> > malefic

> > > house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are

> > opposites.

> > > 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and

5th is

> > > unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned

wealth so

> > u can

> > > call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and

planets

> > placed in

> > > that the house signification of the house that planet rules

suffers

> > and it's

> > > the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes another thing, I wanted to share.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in

the

> > chart,

> > > and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of

1st

> > or 5th

> > > lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power

> > means as

> > > per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am

> > keeping the

> > > " feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it

> > would be a

> > > very sad and tragic event " .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the

> > definition of

> > > good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good

events

> > happen in

> > > highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house

> > under

> > > focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or

> > 4th lord

> > > and malefic events happen in low power planet.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd

> > house and 5th

> > > or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next

generation

> > from 8th.

> > > So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might

have

> > been

> > > considered as Malefic house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of

the

> > moksh

> > > triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on

spiritual

> > plane and

> > > 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on

physical

> > plane so

> > > we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical

> > plane. 8th

> > > house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most

powerful of

> > moksh

> > > triplicty and its on spiritual plane..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So 12th house in no way can be bad.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that.

My

> > only

> > > concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that

> > one has to

> > > understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off.

That

> > is not

> > > understood then I don't think anything I will say will be

> > understood because

> > > many things that are as per KAS might see " apparently " against

the

> > normal

> > > understanding of Jyotish.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > >

> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > >

> > > On Behalf Of

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM

> > >

> > > Re: To Ashji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

> > known

> > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its

lord. I

> > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say

12th

> > is

> > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or

is

> > it

> > > only the 12th house?

> > >

> > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them

one

> > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There

> > can

> > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good

conjugal

> > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it

> > not

> > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house

> > here;

> > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> > > unless other wise forced by situation.)

> > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

> > exalted

> > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced.

But

> > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she

cannot

> > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that

I am

> > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts

I

> > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house

owned by

> > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At

> > least

> > > that is what I have seen.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology , " Ash " <kas@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Please refer to me as Ash.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of

the

> > > chart is the

> > > > 12th house which is fixed.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

> > > planets placed

> > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

> > > placed in the

> > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of

4th

> > > house

> > > > would be enhanced.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

> > > distinguish

> > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2

different

> > > things.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak

> > planet.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

> > > karak sthan

> > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

> > > spoilt then

> > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we

> > generally

> > > say that

> > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital

> > life

> > > will be

> > > > spoilt).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th

> > house

> > > of the

> > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced.

As

> > an

> > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

> > > quality, I

> > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of

event) is

> > > not

> > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but

at

> > > the same

> > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so

> > such

> > > a person

> > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it

might

> > be

> > > given by

> > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc.

So

> > > one is

> > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an

analogy.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

> > > answer your

> > > > questions below.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

> > > 10th is

> > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the

Career

> > of

> > > a person

> > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th

lord is

> > > in 9th so

> > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in

9th

> > > house a

> > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

> > > here such a

> > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

> > > >

> > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

> > > 9th lord

> > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as

> > 12th

> > > from

> > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

> > > more towards

> > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

> > > now it

> > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of

enjoyment

> > and

> > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus

which

> > > means that

> > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will

> > trigger

> > > 12th

> > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means

during

> > > the antra

> > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might

have to

> > > put in

> > > > less effort.

> > > >

> > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

> > > effort and

> > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where

u

> > get

> > > things

> > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate.

> > Both

> > > are on

> > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in

> > 10th

> > > is

> > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates,

have

> > good

> > > > authority.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the

> > CEO

> > > of a

> > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have

good

> > > > authority but there is a difference :-).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

> > > looses status

> > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the

results

> > > ruled by

> > > > that planet is enhanced.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and

3rd

> > > lord in 12th

> > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then

> > 6th

> > > house is

> > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and

> > 3rd

> > > lord goes

> > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is

applicable

> > to

> > > all

> > > > houses.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > >

> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

> > http://www.ashtro.

> > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology

> > > > [ancient_indian_

> > > <%40>

> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of

> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology

> > > > Re: To Ashji

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ashji,

> > > >

> > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site.

This is

> > > > what I understood from one of the articles.

> > > > (http://www3.

> > > > <http://www3.

> > >

<http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

> > > >

> > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X,

then

> > the

> > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in

the

> > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt

(because

> > > > 12th lord from it is posited there).

> > > >

> > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how

you

> > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and

the

> > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But

> > this

> > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga,

which is

> > a

> > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

> > > >

> > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most

auspicious

> > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house

ruled

> > > by

> > > > them gets enhanced. "

> > > >

> > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why

can't

> > the

> > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

> > > >

> > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > > 40>

> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

> > ps.com, " Ash "

> > > <kas@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I would also like to share my view.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into

> > its

> > > > primary

> > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd

and

> > > > 11th are

> > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd)

is

> > > > enhanced.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> > > > KAS, 12th

> > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet

> > that

> > > > goes in

> > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This

is

> > > > for quality.

> > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

> > > quality

> > > > of 3rd

> > > > > house is enhanced.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd

> > i.e.

> > > > in primary

> > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority

> > from

> > > > 3rd and

> > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth,

prosperity

> > > > heap.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under

focus so

> > > > say u are

> > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd

> > house

> > > > becomes

> > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u

are

> > > > timing job

> > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more

> > than

> > > 4

> > > > bindu (it

> > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more

than 4

> > > > bindus means

> > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite

> > aspect

> > > > so, say if

> > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on

7th,

> > 5th

> > > > and 9th

> > > > > house.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at

> > the

> > > > cost of 3

> > > > > other house.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4

bindus

> > > > (which is

> > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in

> > SAV),

> > > > so they

> > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

> > > aspects

> > > > will be

> > > > > beneficial on 3 other house.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more

> > than

> > > 4

> > > > bindus

> > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing

we

> > > > consider it

> > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in

6th

> > > > house with say

> > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect

to be

> > > > with -5 on

> > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the

points

> > > and

> > > > its

> > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and

12th

> > > lord

> > > > in 12th

> > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.

> > <http://www.ashtro.ca>

> > > ca> ca>

> > > http://www.ashtro.

> > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > > 40>

> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com

> > > > > [ancient_indian_

> > > > <%40>

> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com]

> > On Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > Gopal Goel

> > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > > 40>

> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com;

> > > kiran.rama

> > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Kiranji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

> > > house

> > > > lords in

> > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good

houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> > > > results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> > > > placed in 8th

> > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have

thievish

> > > > tendencies,

> > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

> > > > livelihood. He

> > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not

> > apply

> > > > to Virgo

> > > > > and PISCES ascendants.

> > > > >

> > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> > > > tendencies , yet he

> > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will

> > fall

> > > > in Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> > > > signification of the

> > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> > > > own ,exaltation or

> > > > > friendly signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

> > > impact

> > > > of

> > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength

will

> > > also

> > > > protect

> > > > > the house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their

lords

> > > are

> > > > placed in

> > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> > > > >

> > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity

with

> > his

> > > > own

> > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound

> > health.

> > > > >

> > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th

will

> > > not

> > > > be good

> > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him,

he

> > > > will be in

> > > > > habit to blame others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > INDIA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > > 40>

> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com

> > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > > > > To Sreenadhji:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in

> > understanding

> > > > on the

> > > > > same:

> > > > > Please help me in doing so:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the

> > 8th

> > > > house, Will

> > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only

in

> > the

> > > > period of

> > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause

> > obstruction

> > > > to the

> > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the

> > malefic

> > > > or during

> > > > > periods of the house lord also?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in

8th,

> > > > 6th lord in

> > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> > > > significations

> > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th

house

> > > > cause

> > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only

> > good

> > > > things of

> > > > > the house?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Kiran

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or

Naara.But

> > in

> > > > this

> > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the

> > world

> > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va

idagum

> > > > Sarvam,

> > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa:

The

> > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas.

Who

> > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> > > > inherent

> > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the

Devatas

> > > are

> > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in

> > our

> > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> > > > potential

> > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and

name.

> > > The

> > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

> > Pushpam

> > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises

that

> > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or

realised,

> > > > man

> > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

> > > Ocean,

> > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas

gives

> > > the

> > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> > > > Mother

> > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

> > > Primordial

> > > > > Prana Shakti.

> > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > Hari Venkataraman.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> > > > Poorvam

> > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have

used

> > > the

> > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not

> > resort

> > > > to

> > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way -

'Apa'

> > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean'

> > (or

> > > > call

> > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from

> > which

> > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the

universe

> > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning

> > the

> > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> > > > understand

> > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic

Stores.

> > > > Veda

> > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and

open

> > > > mind.

> > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is

> > mentioned

> > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power

is

> > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara

> > Iti

> > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena

Naryana

> > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts..

Who

> > is

> > > > just

> > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-

Energy.

> > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But

> > Agni

> > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the

different

> > > > forms

> > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> > > > Vardandtu

> > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu

are

> > > > both

> > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

> > Srishti.

> > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven

forms

> > > of

> > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading

Sri

> > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

> > > inner

> > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is

> > very

> > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether

I

> > > > could

> > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go

to

> > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute

forms

> > > > and

> > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> > > > interesting

> > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should

not

> > > > concuss

> > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > > > > questions

> > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an

astrology

> > > > group.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> > > > puranas/

> > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> > > > meanings

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> > > > inadequate.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and

I

> > > have

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and

guesses

> > > > are

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a

couple

> > of

> > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that

have

> > > > > happened

> > > > > > > before.

> > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > > > > Vedangas.

> > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

> > > conflict

> > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to

be

> > > > taken

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> > > > buddha,

> > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> > > > disagrees

> > > > > here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

> > line

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord

Narayana

> > > > who

> > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

> > Brahma

> > > > nor

> > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is

also

> > > not

> > > > a

> > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

> > various

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

> > manas

> > > > > (mind);

> > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience,

there

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

> > enemy

> > > > to

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or

Indra

> > or

> > > > Agni

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > Pushan, are

> > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

> > > havirbhiH

> > > > |

> > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

> > vartirashvinAvirAva

> > > > t.h ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in

> > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

> > control,

> > > > are

> > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

> > > Brahman

> > > > > (R.V

> > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common

sense

> > > > that

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one

form

> > is

> > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are

all 'pUrNa'

> > > > > brahman,

> > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > > > > omniscient?) .

> > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

> > beheading

> > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

> > > shira

> > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

> > > > Taiitariya

> > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under

the

> > > > control

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta

(some

> > > > call

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

> > > ugraM

> > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

> > made

> > > > > Rudra,

> > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

> > given

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma

(for

> > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya

dhanurAtanomi

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers

is

> > the

> > > > > Being

> > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is

born

> > of

> > > > Lord

> > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another

form

> > > of

> > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. (

referred

> > in

> > > > > puranas

> > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

> > > mail.

> > > > > That

> > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

> > > injunctions

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri

> > > > Vedavyasa

> > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and

> > Saraswati.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > sriram nayak

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > > <%40>

astrology@

> > > > .

> > > > > com, rashmi patel

> > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI

&

> > > > > SARASWATIJI

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> > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > THANKS

> > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > > <%40>

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> > > > .

> > > > > com

> > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

> > illusion

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > existence.

> > > > > > > Be

> > > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute

> > > reality

> > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> > > > Christianity.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > is

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> > history

> > > > or

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> > > > > the

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> > > > their " ism "

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> > > > > > > >

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> > specific

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> > > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones

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Dear Jyothi,

 

A Bindu is a benefic point and Rekha is a

malefic point. We use Bindu i.e. a benefic point, because the purpose of

Jyotish is to help people. That is why all the calculations in the KAS

program and in the KAS system is based on Bindu.

 

You question on how many marriages, for

that also there are yogs and ways you can find that. Also we would hope

that with age and experience will come wisdom.

We also have to identify and judge the

nature of a person.

 

Say if a person who has Venus to Sun

distance greater than 43deg20 and at the same time Saturn aspects such a Venus

and also if Saturn aspects luminary and say if the lagna bindus are more than

34 and say if Venus is in libra then such a person might not want to commit and

enjoy life. Such things would get enhanced if Venus say was in 12th

house and with mars and Rahu.

So again that is basic’s of

VA. Now for such a person if he or she is forced into marriage u can

imagine what might result. This is also to be studied with respect to

Desh, Kaal and Paatra. So a person with such a yog in Saudi Arabia might

react differently from that living in say India or north America or even say

based on Religion for example if someone is a staunch Roman Catholic then there

cannot be a divorce and only under very strict conditions. So then we

have to apply ourselves.

 

 

But yes, the good and bad is defined based

on points. Planets getting more than 12 points are good or have good

power to deliver happy event and also that of 6th and 10th

lord from the House under Focus.

 

If someone considers Death as a malefic

event, then automatically, 8th, 12th and 3rd house

become malefic or “Dushtana”. Otherwise infact 8th

house is Karak for 1st house. Natural 8th lord is

Mars and a person with strong Mars has good individuality.

 

So I guess it’s a matter of

Perspective.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi

Saturday December 15, 2007

1:27 AM

 

Subject:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

 

Thanks a lot for the detailed reply. For time being let me

concentrate on 7th lord in 12th. Rest I will digest properly and ask

you later.

 

Interesting way of looking at things. Rather I would like to say it

is like " Being positive " . Even if one had a divorce, we can say

" It

happened for good " , or rephrasing your words, " rotten elements are

flushed out from our life paving a way for fresh elements to come

in " . So that is in short the results of planets in 12th, at least wrt

7th lord in 12th. So I hope, a person with 7th lord in 12th can

expect a second marriage which will be good?? If you dont mind my

asking, what is the guarantee that it will be good? I mean what is

the surety that the second marriage that happens because of

the " upachaya " quality of 12th will NOT be a rotten one? Or will this

 

(flushing) become a cyclic process (flush out-come in-flush out -come

in)as the 7th lord in 12th is not going to change its postion even

after a second marraige? Where is the end? Or is it that a second

marriage will not happen and the person becomes eternally free of all

commitments and got " moksh " from the cycle of marraiges?

 

KAS theory seems interesting anyway.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

,

" Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

>

>

> In my previous mail I have said at the outset that - Timing of

Event and

> Quality of Event are 2 different things.

>

>

>

> Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for

example

> as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to

Sun

> distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by

Saturn and

> Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than

3deg20 and

> Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in

nakshtra of

> Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta,

Ju being

> 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in

7th

> house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly

it its

> 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or

navamsa.

>

>

>

> Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th

lords if

> they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce.

>

>

>

> These are some of the laws.

>

>

>

> Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or

planets

> having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart

using the

> KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such

> marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra

lord of 4th

> or 12th lord.

>

>

>

> Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system.

>

>

>

> Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over

and there

> is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give

marriage.

> This is as far as timing of event is concerned.

>

>

>

> Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or

in 6th

> lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce

depending.

>

>

>

>

>

> So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event

with quality

> of event.

>

>

>

> Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are

enhanced.

>

>

>

> The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it's the house of growth, heap

and

> prosperity.

>

>

>

> For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father,

guru, 12th

> house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old

system),

> 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls

father

> checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so

authority

> house from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th house or in other

words that

> success of marriage would be falling in love and having children.

5th from

> 1st and 11th from 7th.

>

>

>

> So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that

12th house

> is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya

theory.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power

planet for

> marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet

then Mercury

> only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes

strongest

> significator. It is also 6th lord.

>

>

>

> Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface.

>

>

>

> So as an analogy, if a " bad event happened " then high power

planets

or 12th

> or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth,

heap and

> prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try

to FLUSH

> out the " bad " marriage, so if they are powerful then such a

marriage will

> break.

>

>

>

> Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they

will feel

> bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing

out the

> bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she

will feel

> that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to

marry

> someone else and have a happier life.

>

>

>

> This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight

that

> " Timing of Event " is different from " Quality of Event "

>

>

>

>

>

> Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha

in 12th

> house for Gemini lagna.

>

>

>

> If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th

lord is in

> 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or

House he will

> enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him

with a 4

> wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat.

>

>

>

> So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have

good sight,

> but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house.

>

>

>

> So she might have yog's for weak eyesight, but at the same time she

will

> enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from

someone

> else's eye. Her husband if she is married will be good as 2nd

house is

> enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the

happiness from

> them even though she might be away so things like that.

>

>

>

>

>

> So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if

there are

> yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be

due to

> 7th lord being in 12th house.

>

>

>

> Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most

malefic

> house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are

opposites.

> 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is

> unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling.

>

>

>

> 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so

u can

> call it inheritance of 12th from 9th etc.

>

>

>

> So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets

placed in

> that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers

and it's

> the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house.

>

>

>

>

>

> Yes another thing, I wanted to share.

>

>

>

> As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the

chart,

> and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st

or 5th

> lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power

means as

> per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am

keeping the

> " feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it

would be a

> very sad and tragic event " .

>

>

>

> I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the

definition of

> good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events

happen in

> highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house

under

> focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or

4th lord

> and malefic events happen in low power planet.

>

>

>

> So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak is 3rd

house and 5th

> or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation

from 8th.

> So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have

been

> considered as Malefic house.

>

>

>

> Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the

moksh

> triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual

plane and

> 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical

plane so

> we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical

plane. 8th

> house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of

moksh

> triplicty and its on spiritual plane..

>

>

>

> So 12th house in no way can be bad.

>

>

>

> I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My

only

> concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that

one has to

> understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this off. That

is not

> understood then I don't think anything I will say will be

understood because

> many things that are as per KAS might see " apparently " against

the

normal

> understanding of Jyotish.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

>

On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM

>

> Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

known

> so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

> would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th

is

> the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is

it

> only the 12th house?

>

> In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

> common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There

can

> be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

> life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it

not

> happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house

here;

> Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> unless other wise forced by situation.)

> I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

exalted

> in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

> her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

> see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

> not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

> know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

> the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At

least

> that is what I have seen.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology ,

" Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> >

> >

> > Please refer to me as Ash.

> >

> >

> >

> > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

> >

> >

> >

> > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

> chart is the

> > 12th house which is fixed.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

> planets placed

> > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

> >

> >

> >

> > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

> placed in the

> > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

> house

> > would be enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

> distinguish

> > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

> things.

> >

> >

> >

> > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak

planet.

> >

> >

> >

> > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

> karak sthan

> > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

> spoilt then

> > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we

generally

> say that

> > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital

life

> will be

> > spoilt).

> >

> >

> >

> > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th

house

> of the

> > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As

an

> > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

> quality, I

> > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

> not

> > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

> the same

> > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so

such

> a person

> > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might

be

> given by

> > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

> one is

> > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

> answer your

> > questions below.

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

> 10th is

> > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career

of

> a person

> > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

> in 9th so

> > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

> house a

> > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

> here such a

> > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

> >

> > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

> 9th lord

> > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as

12th

> from

> > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

> more towards

> > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

> >

> > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

> now it

> > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment

and

> > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

> means that

> > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will

trigger

> 12th

> > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

> the antra

> > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

> put in

> > less effort.

> >

> > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

> effort and

> > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u

get

> things

> > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate.

Both

> are on

> > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and

9th is dharma trikon.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in

10th

> is

> > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

> >

> >

> >

> > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have

good

> > authority.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the

CEO

> of a

> > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> > authority but there is a difference :-).

> >

> >

> >

> > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

> looses status

> > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

> ruled by

> > that planet is enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

> lord in 12th

> > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then

6th

> house is

> > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and

3rd

> lord goes

> > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable

to

> all

> > houses.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

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> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> astrology ]

On Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > Re: To Ashji

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ashji,

> >

> > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> > what I understood from one of the articles.

> > (http://www3.

> > <http://www3.

> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

> >

> > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then

the

> > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> > 12th lord from it is posited there).

> >

> > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But

this

> > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is

a

> > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

> >

> > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

> by

> > them gets enhanced. "

> >

> > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't

the

> > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

> >

> > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

 

ps.com, " Ash "

> <kas@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I would also like to share my view.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into

its

> > primary

> > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> > 11th are

> > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> > enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> > KAS, 12th

> > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet

that

> > goes in

> > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> > for quality.

> > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

> quality

> > of 3rd

> > > house is enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd

i.e.

> > in primary

> > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority

from

> > 3rd and

> > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> > heap.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> > say u are

> > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd

house

> > becomes

> > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> > timing job

> > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more

than

> 4

> > bindu (it

> > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> > bindus means

> > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite

aspect

> > so, say if

> > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th,

5th

> > and 9th

> > > house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at

the

> > cost of 3

> > > other house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> > (which is

> > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in

SAV),

> > so they

> > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

> aspects

> > will be

> > > beneficial on 3 other house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more

than

> 4

> > bindus

> > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> > consider it

> > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> > house with say

> > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> > with -5 on

> > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

> and

> > its

> > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

> lord

> > in 12th

> > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > >

> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca>

> ca> ca>

> http://www.ashtro.

> > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com

> > > [ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com]

On Behalf

> Of

> > Gopal Goel

> > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com;

> kiran.rama

> > > Re: To Sreenadhji:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear Kiranji,

> > >

> > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> > >

> > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

> house

> > lords in

> > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good

houses.

> > >

> > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> > results.

> > >

> > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> > placed in 8th

> > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> > tendencies,

> > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

> > livelihood. He

> > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not

apply

> > to Virgo

> > > and PISCES ascendants.

> > >

> > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> > tendencies , yet he

> > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will

fall

> > in Lagna.

> > >

> > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> > >

> > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> > signification of the

> > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> > own ,exaltation or

> > > friendly signs.

> > >

> > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

> impact

> > of

> > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

> also

> > protect

> > > the house.

> > >

> > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> > >

> > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

> are

> > placed in

> > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> > >

> > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity

with

his

> > own

> > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound

health.

> > >

> > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

> not

> > be good

> > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> > will be in

> > > habit to blame others.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

 

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology@grou <astrology%40>

ps.com

> > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > > To Sreenadhji:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in

understanding

> > on the

> > > same:

> > > Please help me in doing so:

> > >

> > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the

8th

> > house, Will

> > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in

the

> > period of

> > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> > >

> > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause

obstruction

> > to the

> > > significations of the house only during the period of the

malefic

> > or during

> > > periods of the house lord also?

> > >

> > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> > 6th lord in

> > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> > significations

> > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> > cause

> > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only

good

> > things of

> > > the house?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But

in

> > this

> > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the

world

> > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum

> > Sarvam,

> > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> > inherent

> > > power or Divinity in it. Apo

vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas

> are

> > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in

our

> > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> > potential

> > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

> The

> > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

Pushpam

> > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises

that

> > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or

realised,

> > man

> > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

> Ocean,

> > > the Milky

Ocean represents Suddha

Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

> the

> > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> > Mother

> > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

> Primordial

> > > Prana Shakti.

> > > > With regards,

> > > >

> > > Hari Venkataraman.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta

Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> > Poorvam

> > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > > <==

> > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have

used

> the

> > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not

resort

> > to

> > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean'

(or

> > call

> > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from

which

> > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara'

are interchangeable words - meaning

the

> > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%

> > 40>

> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

 

> > understand

> > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> > Veda

> > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> > mind.

> > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is

mentioned

> > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo

Naara

Iti

> > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who

is

> > just

> > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But

Agni

> > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> > forms

> > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> > Vardandtu

> > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> > both

> > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

Srishti.

> > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

> of

> > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

> inner

> > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is

very

> > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> > could

> > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> > and

> > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> > interesting

> > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> > concuss

> > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from

asking

> > > questions

> > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an

astrology

> > group.

> > > The

> > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

 

> > puranas/

> > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

 

> > meanings

> > > of

> > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> > inadequate.

> > > The

> > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator

and I

> have

> > > seen

> > > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > > >

> > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and

guesses

> > are

> > > used

> > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a

couple

of

> > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that

have

> > > happened

> > > > > before.

> > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and

other

> > > Vedangas.

> > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

> conflict

> > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are

to be

> > taken

> > > and

> > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be

anybody;

> > buddha,

> > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> > disagrees

> > > here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the

first

line

> > from

> > > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord

Narayana

> > who

> > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

Brahma

> > nor

> > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > > >

> > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is

also

> not

> > a

> > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

various

> > > other

> > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

 

manas

> > > (mind);

> > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience,

there

is

> > not

> > > one

> > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his

bitterest

enemy

> > to

> > > his

> > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or

Indra

or

> > Agni

> > > or

> > > > > Pushan, are

> > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > > >

> > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

> havirbhiH

> > |

> > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva

> > t.h ||

> > > > >

> > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > > just like Rama and Krishna

are? The reason is again in

> > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

control,

> > are

> > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

 

> Brahman

> > > (R.V

> > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common

sense

> > that

> > > one

> > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one

form

is

> > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all

'pUrNa'

> > > brahman,

> > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

 

> > > omniscient?) .

> > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

beheading

> > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva

dhanurArtniH

> shira

> > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

 

> > Taiitariya

> > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under

the

> > control

> > > of

> > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta

(some

> > call

> > > it

> > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye

taM

> ugraM

> > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will

be

made

> > > Rudra,

> > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she

had

given

> > the

> > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of

Brahma (for

> > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya

dhanurAtanomi

> > etc.

> > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers

is

the

> > > Being

> > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is

born

of

> > Lord

> > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another

form

> of

> > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. (

referred

in

> > > puranas

> > > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > > >

> > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in

another

> mail.

> > > That

> > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

> injunctions

> > > and

> > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as

mentioned by Shri

> > Vedavyasa

> > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > > >

> > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of

Lakshmi and

Saraswati.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > sriram nayak

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > <%40>

astrology@

> > .

> > > com, rashmi patel

> > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF

LAXMIJI &

> > > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> > DAUGHTERS

> > > OF

> > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > > >

> > > > > > THANKS

> > > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > <%40>

astrology@

> > .

> > > com

> > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time -

an

illusion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no

" ism " for its

> > > existence.

> > > > > Be

> > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism.

Absolute

> reality

> > is

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Dear Goel,

 

My replies below yours in blue.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel

Saturday December 15, 2007

7:58 AM

 

Cc: sohamsa;

Dikshit

Re: Re:

Re: To Ashji

 

Dear Ash,

It is

very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile different aspects

which ,on the face of it are at variance.

Ash : Agreed.

This is

basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives material

growth.This brings two aspects in focus:

Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle

of Upachaya place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of

growth, heap and prosperity and not just in material world.

1.

Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give material prosperity. If

they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and

Astakavarga

bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful system to access this with

the help of astavarga system.

Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan.

This is the basic, and as per KAS our very basic law explains that.

The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the

significator house i.e ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th

from the house under focus, the house under focus and the 5th from

the house under focus so if we take 7th house as house under focus

then if planets are aspecting 2nd, 7th or 11th

then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful samdharmis will give.

Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were

considered in the old age.

So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd

house then it will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the

result, if Mars is placed in 6th house then it will aspect 12th

house who is 5th from 8th house so it can’t give

death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give death as it will

aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will

aspect 1st house who is Karak for 1st house so it can’t

give 6th house result, if Mars and Saturn placed in 10th house,

is very good particularly if its with less than 4 bindus as written in your

next point. From 10th hosue Mars will aspect 1st house

who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house result and

Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can’t give result for

death.

So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good.

 

With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then

in KAS we not only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the

power of each planet for all 12 houses in all 16 D charts. In D charts

however we only add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house

under focus and 5th house so we take their power from SAV and add

them. To find finer details we then use Nadis.

For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the

sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of

Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic

memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi.

With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get

the power using Ashtakavarga.

Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are

considered this way or that.

 

If a

malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will give lot of passion.

A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native with rare bliss and good

character.

Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house

and malefics in 10th house are good. If there is any planet in

the 1st house with more than 4 bindus then such a mars or Saturn if

with less than 4 bindus will become very very powerful. The other points

are that Ma will aspect the 1st house and it can’t give the

result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house can’t

give the result of 8th house or death.

Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will

aspect and give power of 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so

if Mars has 2 bindus and is in 10th house of the chart then Mars

will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th house with +6

bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is individuality, 5th

is unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th

house and if it’s a male chart then one has to be more careful during

conception etc etc.

ALL

planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and strengths.

Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th

house. For natural malefics in 11th house I have given the

details above. Mars in 11th house will aspect 6th house

and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house so can’t

give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are considered

to be good.

One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less

than 4 bindus in their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they

are in upachaya sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house

results as they get disqualified and at the same time, they will have 3 aspects

on 3 houses with +ve dristi increase the power of the house and any planet if

residing in those houses.

2. When

lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the situation is not always

that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more point in Astakvarga

Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th

house under focus then 1st house becomes the Karak. A person

with good Personality and health (1st) can have good social status

(6th) (it’s an analogy). So 1st lord in 6th

house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the Karak for 6th

will come and reside in 6th house.

Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than

4 bindus then there will be 2 fold things. 1st is that

it will be malefic for 6th house but that the same time it will

aspect and add points to the lagna compensating it.

Such Now if there are more planets aspecting the 1st

house with benefic dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then

even better.

Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more

than 4 bindus will become Karak for 11th house (success).

For 6th house under focus, the primary house

becomes 1st as Karak, 6th as house under focus and result

or phalit sthan is 10th house.

So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF

has itself has good control over 1st, and 1st lord in 6th

house means Karak itself has come to 6th house so the overall status

of such a chart will go up.

will only

try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN STRENGTH WILL GENERATE

RAJYOGA.

3. Thus

placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house gives an

information , but placement of the lord of reference house in each

upchaya house from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be dealt

separately.

Your

analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to each other , but we

must view the fundamental principles in right prospective and manner.

Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained

eye and a person who has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this

such as yourself. For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence

then person or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes unthinkable

or such a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than 4

bindus becomes unthinkable.

As an

example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic , Shiddhantic or modern

astronomy are different. IN A WAY

THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT THIS INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS PROGRESS IN

THE FIELD OF ASTRONOMY, WHICH IS STILL CONTINUING.

In the

similar manner astrology is touching new heights.

Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi.

Regards,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

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Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM

RE: Re: Re: To Ashji

Dear Goel and Lakshmi,

 

I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with.

 

Here the question was 7th lord in 12th

house. So 7th lord in 12th house of the chart means

its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That will enhance the results

of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of growth, heap

and prosperity.

 

So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th

and 5th house would be good for 7th house results.

7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th

house results.

 

Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if

such yogs are present so if such yogs are present then there are chances

of divorce, for example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and

7th lord or sun and 7th, ve and 7th lords and

for females in addition we check mars and 7th lords.

 

So such things we check separately.

 

Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2

different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality or

result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd

lord of chart then there might be multiple marriages or marriages might not

last or in extreme cases there it might be denied.

 

I shall reply revert to Jyoti’s mail separately.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

 

 

sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@

. com] On Behalf Of Gopal

Goel

Friday December 14, 2007

5:00 AM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb

Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S N; Kedar M N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K

N; Rao K N; sohamsa; vedic_astrology_ classes Dikshit

Re:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

 

Dear Ash and

Lakshmii ji,

1. The rules of

placement of planet in a house are different

2 The

planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a

lord of a house

3 Strength of

planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are very

important to access the effects

4. The depositor

of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious

influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement

5. Aspect and of

association or Sambandha with other planets

Let us take

the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation being represented

sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from

third is BED

pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is placed in 12th

, it gives deception in marriage.

 

Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th

house lord is in primary upachaya sthan.(6th and 10th are

primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary upachaya).

So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house.

Even Natural 7th lord i.e Venus gets exalted in 12th

house of Pisces. So that is good for 7th house

significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also

for dual lord ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will

get enhanced by being placed in 12th house.

 

Karak sthan is 2nd house – As per old tradition,

marriages were initiated by families.

Phal sthan is 7th – House under focus

Phalit Sthan is 11th – life long friend gained in

the form of wife. Karak is 6th house so legally related.

4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan.

– These are in upachaya from Karak i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan.

i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th

and 12th house is 6th from 7th and 11th

from 2nd.

 

11th house is 10th from 2nd so

primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and 7th house is 6th

from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house.

 

12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define

it as pleasures in this life time itself and in addition 12th house

it is a Moksha sthan and on Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment,

and I would say that the cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th

house.

 

Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th

i.e. its 10th from 3rd house and 3rd is the

karak for death.

 

 

So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th

house then its in upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house

then there is no meaning of upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed.

 

Kindly remember

7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and 9th) , as such

never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case

it is in sambandha

with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by functional nature , such

planets generate lot of passion.

Important

Note :

Pisces sign and

bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the

significance of 12th house .

The bhava Karka of

12th house are as under:

Main

Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss ,

punishment

Secondary

Karkas :

Moon

- recovery from disease, sleep comfort

Venus

- bed comforts, overseas journey

Rahu-foreign

residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune, bad habits,secret

enemies

Jupiter-

donations,heaven

Ketu-

salvation

Regards,

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

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ancient_indian_ astrology

Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

Dear Ash,

 

Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known

so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is

the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it

only the 12th house?

 

In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can

be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not

happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here;

Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

unless other wise forced by situation.)

I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted

in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least

that is what I have seen.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

ancient_indian_

astrology, " Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

>

>

> Please refer to me as Ash.

>

>

>

> 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

>

>

>

> So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

chart is the

> 12th house which is fixed.

>

>

>

>

>

> So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

planets placed

> in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

>

>

>

> Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

placed in the

> 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

house

> would be enhanced.

>

>

>

> Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

distinguish

> Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

things.

>

>

>

> Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.

>

>

>

> For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

karak sthan

> and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

spoilt then

> the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally

say that

> if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life

will be

> spoilt).

>

>

>

> So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house

of the

> chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an

> analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

quality, I

> can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

not

> powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

the same

> time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such

a person

> might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be

given by

> his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

one is

> quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

>

>

>

>

>

> So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

answer your

> questions below.

>

>

>

> 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

10th is

> karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of

a person

> from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

in 9th so

> its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

house a

> Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

here such a

> person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

>

> 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

9th lord

> is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th

from

> B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

more towards

> dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

>

> 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

now it

> means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and

> pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

means that

> itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger

12th

> house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

the antra

> of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

put in

> less effort.

>

> 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

effort and

> parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get

things

> without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both

are on

> spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th

is dharma trikon.

>

>

>

> Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th

is

> dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

>

>

>

> Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good

> authority.

>

>

>

> Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO

of a

> large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> authority but there is a difference :-).

>

>

>

> So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

looses status

> and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

ruled by

> that planet is enhanced.

>

>

>

> Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

lord in 12th

> are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th

house is

> enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd

lord goes

> in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to

all

> houses.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

ca> http://www.ashtro.

ca

>

> _____

>

> ancient_indian_

astrology

> [ancient_indian_

astrology] On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> ancient_indian_

astrology

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ashji,

>

> I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> what I understood from one of the articles.

> (http://www3.

> <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa

rriage.htm>

> telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm)

>

> If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

> bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> 12th lord from it is posited there).

>

> If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

> exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

> Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

>

> Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

by

> them gets enhanced. "

>

> If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

> 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

>

> I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com,

" Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> >

> >

> >

> > I would also like to share my view.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

> primary

> > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> 11th are

> > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> KAS, 12th

> > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

> goes in

> > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> for quality.

> > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

quality

> of 3rd

> > house is enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

> in primary

> > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

> 3rd and

> > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> heap.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> say u are

> > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

> becomes

> > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> timing job

> > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than

4

> bindu (it

> > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> bindus means

> > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

> so, say if

> > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

> and 9th

> > house.

> >

> >

> >

> > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

> cost of 3

> > other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> (which is

> > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

> so they

> > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

aspects

> will be

> > beneficial on 3 other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than

4

> bindus

> > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> consider it

> > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> house with say

> > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> with -5 on

> > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

and

> its

> > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> >

> >

> >

> > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

lord

> in 12th

> > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro. ca>

ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro. ca>

ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

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> astrology@grou ps.com

> > [ancient_ indian_

> <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com] On

Behalf Of

> Gopal Goel

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

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> astrology@grou ps.com;

kiran.rama

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> >

> >

> >

> > dear Kiranji,

> >

> > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> >

> > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

house

> lords in

> > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses.

> >

> > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> results.

> >

> > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> placed in 8th

> > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> tendencies,

> > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his

> livelihood. He

> > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

> to Virgo

> > and PISCES ascendants.

> >

> > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> tendencies , yet he

> > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

> in Lagna.

> >

> > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> >

> > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> signification of the

> > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> own ,exaltation or

> > friendly signs.

> >

> > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

impact

> of

> > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

also

> protect

> > the house.

> >

> > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> >

> > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

are

> placed in

> > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> >

> > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with

his

> own

> > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

> >

> > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

not

> be good

> > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> will be in

> > habit to blame others.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

 

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com

> > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

> on the

> > same:

> > Please help me in doing so:

> >

> > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

> house, Will

> > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

> period of

> > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> >

> > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

> to the

> > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

> or during

> > periods of the house lord also?

> >

> > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> 6th lord in

> > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> significations

> > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> cause

> > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

> things of

> > the house?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in

> this

> > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo

va idagum

> Sarvam,

> > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> inherent

> > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai

sarva Devata: All the Devatas

are

> > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our

> > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> potential

> > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

The

> > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

Pushpam

> > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

> man

> > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

Ocean ,

> > the Milky

Ocean represents Suddha

Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

the

> > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> Mother

> > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

Primordial

> > Prana Shakti.

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > Hari Venkataraman.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > ==>

> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta

Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> Poorvam

> > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > <==

> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used

the

> > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort

> to

> > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or

> call

> > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which

> > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara

' are interchangeable words - meaning the

> > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir,

> > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> understand

> > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> Veda

> > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> mind.

> > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned

> > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo

Naara Iti

> > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is

> just

> > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni

> > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> forms

> > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> Vardandtu

> > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> both

> > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

Srishti.

> > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

of

> > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

inner

> > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very

> > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> could

> > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> and

> > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> interesting

> > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> concuss

> > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > >

> > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > questions

> > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

> group.

> > The

> > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> puranas/

> > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> meanings

> > of

> > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> inadequate.

> > The

> > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

have

> > seen

> > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > >

> > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

 

> are

> > used

> > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple

of

> > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > happened

> > > > before.

> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > Vedangas.

> > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

conflict

> > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

> taken

> > and

> > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> buddha,

> > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> disagrees

> > here.

> > > >

> > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

line

> from

> > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

 

> who

> > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

Brahma

> nor

> > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > >

> > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also

not

> a

> > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

various

> > other

> > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

manas

> > (mind);

> > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there

is

> not

> > one

> > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

enemy

> to

> > his

> > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra

or

> Agni

> > or

> > > > Pushan, are

> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > >

> > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

havirbhiH

> |

> > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva

> t.h ||

> > > >

> > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > just like Rama and Krishna

are? The reason is again in

> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

control,

> are

> > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

Brahman

> > (R.V

> > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

 

> that

> > one

> > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form

is

> > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

 

> > brahman,

> > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > omniscient?) .

> > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

beheading

> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

shira

> > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in

> Taiitariya

> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> control

> > of

> > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

 

> call

> > it

> > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

ugraM

> > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

made

> > Rudra,

> > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

given

> the

> > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma

(for

> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

 

> etc..

> > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is

the

> > Being

> > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born

of

> Lord

> > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form

 

of

> > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred

in

> > puranas

> > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > >

> > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

mail.

> > That

> > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

injunctions

> > and

> > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by

Shri

> Vedavyasa

> > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > >

> > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi

and Saraswati.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > sriram nayak

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> .

> > com, rashmi patel

> > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI

&

> > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> DAUGHTERS

> > OF

> > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > >

> > > > > THANKS

> > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> .

> > com

> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

illusion

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no

" ism " for its

> > existence.

> > > > Be

> > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute

reality

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> Christianity.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in

history

> or

> > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their

" ism "

is

> > the

> > > > only

> > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

> their " ism "

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any

specific

> > sect..

> > > > If

> > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones

in

this

> > world

> > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa

of

> Avila ,

> > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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Dear Ash,

 

Hope I am not pestering you. Can you please explain what you

mentioned below:

 

" For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the

sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more

sectors of Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant and

has photographic memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. "

 

What do you mean by a 'sector'? Also what do you mean by " more number

of sectors of saturn " ? You mean sectors of all planets are counted

and if staurn gets more count?

 

Can you suggest any book on KAS so that I dont have to disturb you?

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

, " Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Goel,

>

>

>

> My replies below yours in blue.

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> Gopal Goel

> Saturday December 15, 2007 7:58 AM

>

> Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit

> Re: Re: Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> It is very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile

different

> aspects which ,on the face of it are at variance.

>

> Ash : Agreed.

>

> This is basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives

material

> growth.This brings two aspects in focus:

>

> Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle of

Upachaya

> place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of

growth, heap

> and prosperity and not just in material world.

>

> 1. Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give material

> prosperity. If they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and

>

> Astakavarga bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful

system to

> access this with the help of astavarga system.

>

> Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan. This is the

basic,

> and as per KAS our very basic law explains that.

>

> The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the significator

house i.e

> ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th from the

house under

> focus, the house under focus and the 5th from the house under focus

so if we

> take 7th house as house under focus then if planets are aspecting

2nd, 7th

> or 11th then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful

samdharmis

> will give.

>

> Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were considered

in the

> old age.

>

> So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd house

then it

> will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the result, if

Mars is

> placed in 6th house then it will aspect 12th house who is 5th from

8th house

> so it can't give death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give

death as it

> will aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will

aspect 1st

> house who is Karak for 1st house so it can't give 6th house result,

if Mars

> and Saturn placed in 10th house, is very good particularly if its

with less

> than 4 bindus as written in your next point. From 10th hosue Mars

will

> aspect 1st house who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house

result and

> Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can't give result for death.

>

> So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good.

>

> With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then in

KAS we not

> only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the power

of each

> planet for all 12 houses in all 16 D charts. In D charts however

we only

> add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house under focus

and 5th

> house so we take their power from SAV and add them. To find finer

details

> we then use Nadis.

>

> For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the

sectors of

> Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of

Saturn are

> there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic

memory.

> Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi.

>

> With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get the

power using

> Ashtakavarga.

>

> Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are considered this

way or

> that.

>

>

>

> If a malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will

give lot of

> passion. A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native with

rare bliss

> and good character.

>

> Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house and malefics in 10th

house are

> good. If there is any planet in the 1st house with more than 4

bindus then

> such a mars or Saturn if with less than 4 bindus will become very

very

> powerful. The other points are that Ma will aspect the 1st house

and it

> can't give the result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house

can't give

> the result of 8th house or death.

>

> Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will aspect and give

power of

> 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so if Mars has 2 bindus and

is in

> 10th house of the chart then Mars will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th

house with +6

> bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is individuality,

5th is

> unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th

house and

> if it's a male chart then one has to be more careful during

conception etc

> etc.

>

> ALL planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and

strengths.

>

> Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th house. For

natural

> malefics in 11th house I have given the details above. Mars in

11th house

> will aspect 6th house and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house so

can't

> give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are

considered to

> be good.

>

> One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less than 4

bindus in

> their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they are in

upachaya

> sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house results as they get

disqualified and

> at the same time, they will have 3 aspects on 3 houses with +ve

dristi

> increase the power of the house and any planet if residing in those

houses.

>

>

> 2. When lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the

situation is

> not always that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more

point in

> Astakvarga

>

> Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th house under

focus then

> 1st house becomes the Karak. A person with good Personality and

health

> (1st) can have good social status (6th) (it's an analogy). So 1st

lord in

> 6th house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the

Karak for 6th

> will come and reside in 6th house.

>

> Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than 4 bindus then

there will

> be 2 fold things. 1st is that it will be malefic for 6th house

but that

> the same time it will aspect and add points to the lagna

compensating it.

>

> Such Now if there are more planets aspecting the 1st house with

benefic

> dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then even

better.

>

> Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more than 4 bindus will become

Karak for

> 11th house (success).

>

> For 6th house under focus, the primary house becomes 1st as Karak,

6th as

> house under focus and result or phalit sthan is 10th house.

>

> So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF has itself has good control

over 1st,

> and 1st lord in 6th house means Karak itself has come to 6th house

so the

> overall status of such a chart will go up.

>

> will only try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN

STRENGTH WILL

> GENERATE RAJYOGA.

>

> 3. Thus placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house

gives an

> information , but placement of the lord of reference house in each

upchaya

> house from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be dealt

> separately.

>

> Your analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to

each other

> , but we must view the fundamental principles in right prospective

and

> manner.

>

> Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained eye and a

person who

> has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this such as

yourself.

> For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence

then person

> or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes unthinkable

or such

> a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than 4

bindus

> becomes unthinkable.

>

> As an example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic ,

Shiddhantic or

> modern astronomy are different. IN A WAY THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT THIS

> INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS PROGRESS IN THE FIELD OF

ASTRONOMY, WHICH

> IS STILL CONTINUING.

>

> In the similar manner astrology is touching new heights.

>

> Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> Ash <kas

> sohamsa ;

 

> Cc: atma prakash <atma5236; BHUSAN k <naxatra; Chubb

> Phyllis <phyllis; Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl;

> Kapoor S N <sn_kapoor; Kedar M N <mnkedar;

> kiran.rama <kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb <phyllischubb;

> Rao K N <k_n_rao; Rao K N <knrastro;

> Dikshit

 

> Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM

> RE: Re: Re: To Ashji

>

> Dear Goel and Lakshmi,

>

>

>

> I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with.

>

>

>

> Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th

house of

> the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That

will enhance

> the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of

growth, heap

> and prosperity.

>

>

>

> So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th

house

> results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house

results.

>

>

>

> Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs

are

> present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of

divorce, for

> example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or

sun and

> 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars and

7th

> lords.

>

>

>

> So such things we check separately.

>

>

>

> Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2

> different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality

or

> result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart then

there

> might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in

extreme cases

> there it might be denied.

>

>

>

> I shall reply revert to Jyoti's mail separately.

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa]

On Behalf

> Of Gopal Goel

> Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S

N; Kedar M

> N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa;

vedic_astrology_

> classes Dikshit

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji,

>

> 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different

>

> 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by

becoming a lord

> of a house

>

> 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga

bala are

> very important to access the effects

>

> 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious

> influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement

>

> 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets

>

> Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents

copulation

> being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from

>

> third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if

7th lord is

> placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage.

>

>

>

> Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya

> sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary

upachaya).

> So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th

lord i.e

> Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for

7th house

> significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for

dual lord

> ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced

by being

> placed in 12th house.

>

>

>

> Karak sthan is 2nd house - As per old tradition, marriages were

initiated by

> families.

>

> Phal sthan is 7th - House under focus

>

> Phalit Sthan is 11th - life long friend gained in the form of

wife. Karak

> is 6th house so legally related.

>

> 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. - These are in upachaya

from Karak

> i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and

12th house

> is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd.

>

>

>

> 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and

7th house

> is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house.

>

>

>

> 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as

pleasures in

> this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha

sthan and on

> Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that

the

> cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house.

>

>

>

> Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house

and 3rd

> is the karak for death.

>

>

>

>

>

> So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then its

in

> upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no

meaning of

> upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed.

>

>

>

> Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses (

1st , 5th and

> 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the

case

>

> it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not

Subha by

> functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion.

>

> Important Note :

>

> Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in

protecting the

> significance of 12th house .

>

> The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under:

>

> Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment

>

> Secondary Karkas :

>

> Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort

>

> Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey

>

> Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune,

bad

> habits,secret enemies

>

> Jupiter- donations,heaven

>

> Ketu- salvation

>

> Regards,

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ .co. in>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

known

> so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

> would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th

is

> the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is

it

> only the 12th house?

>

> In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

> common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There

can

> be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

> life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it

not

> happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house

here;

> Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> unless other wise forced by situation.)

> I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

exalted

> in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

> her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

> see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

> not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

> know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

> the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At

least

> that is what I have seen.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology, " Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> >

> >

> > Please refer to me as Ash.

> >

> >

> >

> > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

> >

> >

> >

> > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

> chart is the

> > 12th house which is fixed.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

> planets placed

> > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

> >

> >

> >

> > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

> placed in the

> > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

> house

> > would be enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

> distinguish

> > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

> things.

> >

> >

> >

> > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak

planet.

> >

> >

> >

> > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

> karak sthan

> > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

> spoilt then

> > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we

generally

> say that

> > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital

life

> will be

> > spoilt).

> >

> >

> >

> > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th

house

> of the

> > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As

an

> > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

> quality, I

> > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

> not

> > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

> the same

> > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so

such

> a person

> > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might

be

> given by

> > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

> one is

> > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

> answer your

> > questions below.

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

> 10th is

> > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career

of

> a person

> > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

> in 9th so

> > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

> house a

> > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

> here such a

> > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

> >

> > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

> 9th lord

> > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as

12th

> from

> > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

> more towards

> > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

> >

> > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

> now it

> > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment

and

> > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

> means that

> > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will

trigger

> 12th

> > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

> the antra

> > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

> put in

> > less effort.

> >

> > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

> effort and

> > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u

get

> things

> > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate.

Both

> are on

> > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in

10th

> is

> > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

> >

> >

> >

> > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have

good

> > authority.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the

CEO

> of a

> > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> > authority but there is a difference :-).

> >

> >

> >

> > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

> looses status

> > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

> ruled by

> > that planet is enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

> lord in 12th

> > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then

6th

> house is

> > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and

3rd

> lord goes

> > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable

to

> all

> > houses.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40> astrology@

.

> com] On Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ashji,

> >

> > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> > what I understood from one of the articles.

> > (http://www3. <http://www3./>

> > <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa

> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> rriage.htm>

> > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm)

> >

> > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then

the

> > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> > 12th lord from it is posited there).

> >

> > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But

this

> > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is

a

> > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

> >

> > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

> by

> > them gets enhanced. "

> >

> > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't

the

> > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

> >

> > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

40> , " Ash "

> <kas@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I would also like to share my view.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into

its

> > primary

> > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> > 11th are

> > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> > enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> > KAS, 12th

> > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet

that

> > goes in

> > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> > for quality.

> > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

> quality

> > of 3rd

> > > house is enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd

i.e.

> > in primary

> > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority

from

> > 3rd and

> > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> > heap.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> > say u are

> > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd

house

> > becomes

> > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> > timing job

> > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more

than

> 4

> > bindu (it

> > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> > bindus means

> > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite

aspect

> > so, say if

> > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th,

5th

> > and 9th

> > > house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at

the

> > cost of 3

> > > other house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> > (which is

> > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in

SAV),

> > so they

> > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

> aspects

> > will be

> > > beneficial on 3 other house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more

than

> 4

> > bindus

> > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> > consider it

> > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> > house with say

> > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> > with -5 on

> > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

> and

> > its

> > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

> lord

> > in 12th

> > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > >

> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./>

<http://www.ashtro. ca

> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca>

> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./>

> > <http://www.ashtro. ca <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>

> > > [ancient_ indian_

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> ]

On

> Behalf Of

> > Gopal Goel

> > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40> ;

> kiran.rama

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear Kiranji,

> > >

> > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> > >

> > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

> house

> > lords in

> > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses.

> > >

> > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> > results.

> > >

> > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> > placed in 8th

> > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> > tendencies,

> > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his

> > livelihood. He

> > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not

apply

> > to Virgo

> > > and PISCES ascendants.

> > >

> > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> > tendencies , yet he

> > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will

fall

> > in Lagna.

> > >

> > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> > >

> > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> > signification of the

> > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> > own ,exaltation or

> > > friendly signs.

> > >

> > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

> impact

> > of

> > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

> also

> > protect

> > > the house.

> > >

> > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> > >

> > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

> are

> > placed in

> > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> > >

> > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with

his

> > own

> > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound

health.

> > >

> > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

> not

> > be good

> > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> > will be in

> > > habit to blame others.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>

> > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in

understanding

> > on the

> > > same:

> > > Please help me in doing so:

> > >

> > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the

8th

> > house, Will

> > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in

the

> > period of

> > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> > >

> > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause

obstruction

> > to the

> > > significations of the house only during the period of the

malefic

> > or during

> > > periods of the house lord also?

> > >

> > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> > 6th lord in

> > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> > significations

> > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> > cause

> > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only

good

> > things of

> > > the house?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > 40. com>

> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But

in

> > this

> > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the

world

> > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum

> > Sarvam,

> > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> > inherent

> > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas

> are

> > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in

our

> > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> > potential

> > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

> The

> > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

Pushpam

> > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

> > man

> > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

> Ocean ,

> > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

> the

> > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> > Mother

> > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

> Primordial

> > > Prana Shakti.

> > > > With regards,

> > > >

> > > Hari Venkataraman.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> > Poorvam

> > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > > <==

> > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used

> the

> > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not

resort

> > to

> > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean'

(or

> > call

> > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from

which

> > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara ' are interchangeable words - meaning

the

> > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > 40. com>

> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> > understand

> > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> > Veda

> > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> > mind.

> > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is

mentioned

> > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara

Iti

> > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who

is

> > just

> > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But

Agni

> > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> > forms

> > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> > Vardandtu

> > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> > both

> > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

Srishti.

> > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

> of

> > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

> inner

> > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is

very

> > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> > could

> > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> > and

> > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> > interesting

> > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> > concuss

> > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > > questions

> > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

> > group.

> > > The

> > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> > puranas/

> > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> > meanings

> > > of

> > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> > inadequate.

> > > The

> > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

> have

> > > seen

> > > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > > >

> > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

> > are

> > > used

> > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple

of

> > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > > happened

> > > > > before.

> > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > > Vedangas.

> > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

> conflict

> > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

> > taken

> > > and

> > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> > buddha,

> > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> > disagrees

> > > here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

line

> > from

> > > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

> > who

> > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

Brahma

> > nor

> > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > > >

> > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also

> not

> > a

> > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

various

> > > other

> > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

manas

> > > (mind);

> > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there

is

> > not

> > > one

> > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

enemy

> > to

> > > his

> > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra

or

> > Agni

> > > or

> > > > > Pushan, are

> > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > > >

> > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

> havirbhiH

> > |

> > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva

> > t.h ||

> > > > >

> > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in

> > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

control,

> > are

> > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

> Brahman

> > > (R.V

> > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

> > that

> > > one

> > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form

is

> > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

> > > brahman,

> > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > > omniscient?) .

> > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

beheading

> > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

> shira

> > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in

> > Taiitariya

> > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> > control

> > > of

> > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

> > call

> > > it

> > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

> ugraM

> > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

made

> > > Rudra,

> > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

given

> > the

> > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for

> > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

> > etc..

> > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is

the

> > > Being

> > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born

of

> > Lord

> > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form

> of

> > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred

in

> > > puranas

> > > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > > >

> > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

> mail.

> > > That

> > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

> injunctions

> > > and

> > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri

> > Vedavyasa

> > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > > >

> > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and

Saraswati.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > sriram nayak

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> > .

> > > com, rashmi patel

> > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI &

> > > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> > DAUGHTERS

> > > OF

> > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > > >

> > > > > > THANKS

> > > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> > .

> > > com

> > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

illusion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its

> > > existence.

> > > > > Be

> > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute

> reality

> > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> > Christianity.

> > > This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in

history

> > or

> > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism "

> is

> > > the

> > > > > only

> > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

> > their " ism "

> > > > > > properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any

specific

> > > sect..

> > > > > If

> > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in

> this

> > > world

> > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of

> > Avila ,

> > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

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> > >

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Dear Jyothi,

 

You can Download the lessons that

Krushanji has given from http://krushna.sageasita.com.

 

The details about sectors etc are given in

the lesson on Occoupation i.e. 21.

 

If you download the KAS2003 from http://krushna.sageasita.com/KAS2006v3.2.1.zip

or you can download the KAS program from Donna’s website from the Files

and Worksheet section.

 

There are FAQ’s Section and KAS

Visuals where you can read on some important concepts that are given.

 

Rest the discussions take place on the

where you can read Krushnaji’s mails.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi

Saturday December 15, 2007

11:36 PM

To:

 

 

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

 

Hope I am not pestering you. Can you please explain what you

mentioned below:

 

" For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the

sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more

sectors of Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant and

has photographic memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. "

 

What do you mean by a 'sector'? Also what do you mean by " more number

of sectors of saturn " ? You mean sectors of all planets are counted

and if staurn gets more count?

 

Can you suggest any book on KAS so that I dont have to disturb you?

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

,

" Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Goel,

>

>

>

> My replies below yours in blue.

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On

Behalf Of

> Gopal Goel

> Saturday December 15, 2007 7:58 AM

>

> Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit

> Re: Re: Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> It is very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile

different

> aspects which ,on the face of it are at variance.

>

> Ash : Agreed.

>

> This is basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives

material

> growth.This brings two aspects in focus:

>

> Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle of

Upachaya

> place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of

growth, heap

> and prosperity and not just in material world.

>

> 1. Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give material

> prosperity. If they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and

>

> Astakavarga bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful

system to

> access this with the help of astavarga system.

>

> Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan. This is the

basic,

> and as per KAS our very basic law explains that.

>

> The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the significator

house i.e

> ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th from the

house under

> focus, the house under focus and the 5th from the house under focus

so if we

> take 7th house as house under focus then if planets are aspecting

2nd, 7th

> or 11th then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful

samdharmis

> will give.

>

> Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were considered

in the

> old age.

>

> So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd house

then it

> will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the result, if

Mars is

> placed in 6th house then it will aspect 12th house who is 5th from

8th house

> so it can't give death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give

death as it

> will aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will

aspect 1st

> house who is Karak for 1st house so it can't give 6th house result,

if Mars

> and Saturn placed in 10th house, is very good particularly if its

with less

> than 4 bindus as written in your next point. From 10th hosue Mars

will

> aspect 1st house who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house

result and

> Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can't give result for death.

>

> So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good.

>

> With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then in

KAS we not

> only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the power

of each

> planet for all 12 houses in all 16 D charts. In D charts however

we only

> add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house under focus

and 5th

> house so we take their power from SAV and add them. To find finer

details

> we then use Nadis.

>

> For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the

sectors of

> Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of

Saturn are

> there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic

memory.

> Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi.

>

> With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get the

power using

> Ashtakavarga.

>

> Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are considered this

way or

> that.

>

>

>

> If a malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will

give lot of

> passion. A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native with

rare bliss

> and good character.

>

> Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house and malefics in 10th

house are

> good. If there is any planet in the 1st house with more than 4

bindus then

> such a mars or Saturn if with less than 4 bindus will become very

very

> powerful. The other points are that Ma will aspect the 1st house

and it

> can't give the result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house

can't give

> the result of 8th house or death.

>

> Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will aspect and give

power of

> 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so if Mars has 2 bindus and

is in

> 10th house of the chart then Mars will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th

house with +6

> bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is individuality,

5th is

> unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th

house and

> if it's a male chart then one has to be more careful during

conception etc

> etc.

>

> ALL planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and

strengths.

>

> Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th house. For

natural

> malefics in 11th house I have given the details above. Mars in

11th house

> will aspect 6th house and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house so

can't

> give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are

considered to

> be good.

>

> One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less than 4

bindus in

> their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they are in

upachaya

> sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house results as they get

disqualified and

> at the same time, they will have 3 aspects on 3 houses with +ve

dristi

> increase the power of the house and any planet if residing in those

houses.

>

>

> 2. When lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the

situation is

> not always that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more

point in

> Astakvarga

>

> Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th house under

focus then

> 1st house becomes the Karak. A person with good Personality and

health

> (1st) can have good social status (6th) (it's an analogy). So 1st

lord in

> 6th house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the

Karak for 6th

> will come and reside in 6th house.

>

> Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than 4 bindus then

there will

> be 2 fold things. 1st is that it will be malefic for 6th house

but that

> the same time it will aspect and add points to the lagna

compensating it.

>

> Such Now if there are more planets aspecting the 1st house with

benefic

> dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then even

better.

>

> Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more than 4 bindus will become

Karak for

> 11th house (success).

>

> For 6th house under focus, the primary house becomes 1st as Karak,

6th as

> house under focus and result or phalit sthan is 10th house.

>

> So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF has itself has good control

over 1st,

> and 1st lord in 6th house means Karak itself has come to 6th house

so the

> overall status of such a chart will go up.

>

> will only try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN

STRENGTH WILL

> GENERATE RAJYOGA.

>

> 3. Thus placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house

gives an

> information , but placement of the lord of reference house in each

upchaya

> house from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be dealt

> separately.

>

> Your analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to

each other

> , but we must view the fundamental principles in right prospective

and

> manner.

>

> Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained eye and a

person who

> has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this such as

yourself.

> For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence

then person

> or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes unthinkable

or such

> a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than 4

bindus

> becomes unthinkable.

>

> As an example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic ,

Shiddhantic or

> modern astronomy are different. IN A WAY THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT THIS

> INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS PROGRESS IN THE FIELD OF

ASTRONOMY, WHICH

> IS STILL CONTINUING.

>

> In the similar manner astrology is touching new heights.

>

> Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

 

>

>

>

>

> Ash <kas

> sohamsa ;

 

 

> Cc: atma prakash <atma5236; BHUSAN k <naxatra;

Chubb

> Phyllis <phyllis; Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl;

> Kapoor S N <sn_kapoor; Kedar M N <mnkedar;

> kiran.rama <kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb <phyllischubb;

> Rao K N <k_n_rao; Rao K N <knrastro;

> Dikshit

 

> Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM

> RE: Re: Re: To Ashji

>

> Dear Goel and Lakshmi,

>

>

>

> I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with.

>

>

>

> Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th

house of

> the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That

will enhance

> the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of

growth, heap

> and prosperity.

>

>

>

> So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th

house

> results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house

results.

>

>

>

> Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs

are

> present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of

divorce, for

> example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or

sun and

> 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars and

7th

> lords.

>

>

>

> So such things we check separately.

>

>

>

> Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2

> different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality

or

> result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart then

there

> might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in

extreme cases

> there it might be denied.

>

>

>

> I shall reply revert to Jyoti's mail separately.

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/>

http://www.ashtro. ca

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa]

On Behalf

> Of Gopal Goel

> Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S

N; Kedar M

> N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa;

vedic_astrology_

> classes Dikshit

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji,

>

> 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different

>

> 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by

becoming a lord

> of a house

>

> 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga

bala are

> very important to access the effects

>

> 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious

> influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement

>

> 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets

>

> Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents

copulation

> being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from

>

> third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if

7th lord is

> placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage.

>

>

>

> Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya

> sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary

upachaya).

> So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th

lord i.e

> Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for

7th house

> significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for

dual lord

> ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced

by being

> placed in 12th house.

>

>

>

> Karak sthan is 2nd house - As per old tradition, marriages were

initiated by

> families.

>

> Phal sthan is 7th - House under focus

>

> Phalit Sthan is 11th - life long friend gained in the form of

wife. Karak

> is 6th house so legally related.

>

> 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. - These are in upachaya

from Karak

> i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and

12th house

> is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd.

>

>

>

> 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and

7th house

> is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house.

>

>

>

> 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as

pleasures in

> this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha

sthan and on

> Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that

the

> cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house.

>

>

>

> Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house

and 3rd

> is the karak for death.

>

>

>

>

>

> So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then its

in

> upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no

meaning of

> upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed.

>

>

>

> Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses (

1st , 5th and

> 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the

case

>

> it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not

Subha by

> functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion.

>

> Important Note :

>

> Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in

protecting the

> significance of 12th house .

>

> The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under:

>

> Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment

>

> Secondary Karkas :

>

> Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort

>

> Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey

>

> Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune,

bad

> habits,secret enemies

>

> Jupiter- donations,heaven

>

> Ketu- salvation

>

> Regards,

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

 

>

>

>

>

> jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ .co. in>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

known

> so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

> would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th

is

> the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is

it

> only the 12th house?

>

> In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

> common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There

can

> be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

> life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it

not

> happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house

here;

> Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> unless other wise forced by situation.)

> I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

exalted

> in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

> her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

> see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

> not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

> know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

> the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At

least

> that is what I have seen.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology, " Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> >

> >

> > Please refer to me as Ash.

> >

> >

> >

> > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

> >

> >

> >

> > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

> chart is the

> > 12th house which is fixed.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

> planets placed

> > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

> >

> >

> >

> > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

> placed in the

> > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

> house

> > would be enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

> distinguish

> > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

> things.

> >

> >

> >

> > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak

planet.

> >

> >

> >

> > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

> karak sthan

> > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

> spoilt then

> > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we

generally

> say that

> > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital

life

> will be

> > spoilt).

> >

> >

> >

> > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th

house

> of the

> > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As

an

> > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

> quality, I

> > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

> not

> > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

> the same

> > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so

such

> a person

> > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might

be

> given by

> > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

> one is

> > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

> answer your

> > questions below.

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

> 10th is

> > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career

of

> a person

> > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

> in 9th so

> > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

> house a

> > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

> here such a

> > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

> >

> > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

> 9th lord

> > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as

12th

> from

> > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

> more towards

> > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

> >

> > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

> now it

> > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment

and

> > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

> means that

> > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will

trigger

> 12th

> > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

> the antra

> > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

> put in

> > less effort.

> >

> > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

> effort and

> > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u

get

> things

> > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate.

Both

> are on

> > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and

9th is dharma trikon.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in

10th

> is

> > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

> >

> >

> >

> > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have

good

> > authority.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the

CEO

> of a

> > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> > authority but there is a difference :-).

> >

> >

> >

> > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

> looses status

> > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

> ruled by

> > that planet is enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

> lord in 12th

> > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then

6th

> house is

> > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and

3rd

> lord goes

> > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable

to

> all

> > houses.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

astrology@

.

> com] On Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ashji,

> >

> > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> > what I understood from one of the articles.

> > (http://www3. <http://www3./>

 

> > <http://www3. telus.net/

public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa

> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> rriage.htm>

> > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm)

> >

> > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then

the

> > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> > 12th lord from it is posited there).

> >

> > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But

this

> > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is

a

> > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

> >

> > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

> by

> > them gets enhanced. "

> >

> > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't

the

> > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

> >

> > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

40> , " Ash "

> <kas@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I would also like to share my view.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into

its

> > primary

> > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> > 11th are

> > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> > enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> > KAS, 12th

> > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet

that

> > goes in

> > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> > for quality.

> > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

> quality

> > of 3rd

> > > house is enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd

i.e.

> > in primary

> > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority

from

> > 3rd and

> > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> > heap.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> > say u are

> > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd

house

> > becomes

> > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> > timing job

> > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more

than

> 4

> > bindu (it

> > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> > bindus means

> > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite

aspect

> > so, say if

> > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th,

5th

> > and 9th

> > > house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at

the

> > cost of 3

> > > other house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> > (which is

> > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in

SAV),

> > so they

> > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

> aspects

> > will be

> > > beneficial on 3 other house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more

than

> 4

> > bindus

> > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> > consider it

> > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> > house with say

> > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> > with -5 on

> > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

> and

> > its

> > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

> lord

> > in 12th

> > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > >

> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro./>

<http://www.ashtro. ca

> <http://www.ashtro.ca/>

> ca>

> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./>

> > <http://www.ashtro. ca <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>

 

> > > [ancient_ indian_

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>

]

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> Behalf Of

> > Gopal Goel

> > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>

;

> kiran.rama

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear Kiranji,

> > >

> > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> > >

> > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

> house

> > lords in

> > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses.

> > >

> > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> > results.

> > >

> > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> > placed in 8th

> > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> > tendencies,

> > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his

> > livelihood. He

> > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not

apply

> > to Virgo

> > > and PISCES ascendants.

> > >

> > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> > tendencies , yet he

> > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will

fall

> > in Lagna.

> > >

> > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> > >

> > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> > signification of the

> > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> > own ,exaltation or

> > > friendly signs.

> > >

> > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

> impact

> > of

> > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

> also

> > protect

> > > the house.

> > >

> > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> > >

> > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

> are

> > placed in

> > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> > >

> > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity

with

his

> > own

> > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound

health.

> > >

> > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

> not

> > be good

> > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> > will be in

> > > habit to blame others.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

 

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>

 

> > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in

understanding

> > on the

> > > same:

> > > Please help me in doing so:

> > >

> > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the

8th

> > house, Will

> > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in

the

> > period of

> > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> > >

> > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause

obstruction

> > to the

> > > significations of the house only during the period of the

malefic

> > or during

> > > periods of the house lord also?

> > >

> > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> > 6th lord in

> > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> > significations

> > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> > cause

> > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only

good

> > things of

> > > the house?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > 40. com>

> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But

in

> > this

> > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the

world

> > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum

> > Sarvam,

> > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> > inherent

> > > power or Divinity in it. Apo

vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas

> are

> > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in

our

> > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> > potential

> > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

> The

> > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

Pushpam

> > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises

that

> > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or

realised,

> > man

> > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

> Ocean ,

> > > the Milky

Ocean represents Suddha

Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

> the

> > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> > Mother

> > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

> Primordial

> > > Prana Shakti.

> > > > With regards,

> > > >

> > > Hari Venkataraman.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > " Apo Naara Iti

Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> > Poorvam

> > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > > <==

> > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have

used

> the

> > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not

resort

> > to

> > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean'

(or

> > call

> > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from

which

> > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara

' are interchangeable words - meaning

the

> > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology

%

> > 40. com>

> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

 

> > understand

> > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> > Veda

> > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> > mind.

> > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is

mentioned

> > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; " Again it is said

" Apo Naara

Iti

> > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who

is

> > just

> > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But

Agni

> > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> > forms

> > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> > Vardandtu

> > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> > both

> > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

Srishti.

> > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

> of

> > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

> inner

> > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is

very

> > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> > could

> > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> > and

> > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> > interesting

> > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> > concuss

> > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from

asking

> > > questions

> > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an

astrology

> > group.

> > > The

> > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

 

> > puranas/

> > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

 

> > meanings

> > > of

> > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> > inadequate.

> > > The

> > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator

and I

> have

> > > seen

> > > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > > >

> > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and

guesses

> > are

> > > used

> > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a

couple

of

> > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that

have

> > > happened

> > > > > before.

> > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and

other

> > > Vedangas.

> > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

> conflict

> > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are

to be

> > taken

> > > and

> > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be

anybody;

> > buddha,

> > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> > disagrees

> > > here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the

first

line

> > from

> > > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord

Narayana

> > who

> > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

Brahma

> > nor

> > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > > >

> > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is

also

> not

> > a

> > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

various

> > > other

> > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

 

manas

> > > (mind);

> > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience,

there

is

> > not

> > > one

> > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his

bitterest

enemy

> > to

> > > his

> > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or

Indra

or

> > Agni

> > > or

> > > > > Pushan, are

> > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > > >

> > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

> havirbhiH

> > |

> > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva

> > t.h ||

> > > > >

> > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > > just like Rama and Krishna

are? The reason is again in

> > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

control,

> > are

> > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

 

> Brahman

> > > (R.V

> > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common

sense

> > that

> > > one

> > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one

form

is

> > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all

'pUrNa'

> > > brahman,

> > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

 

> > > omniscient?) .

> > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

beheading

> > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva

dhanurArtniH

> shira

> > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in

 

> > Taiitariya

> > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under

the

> > control

> > > of

> > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta

(some

> > call

> > > it

> > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye

taM

> ugraM

> > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will

be

made

> > > Rudra,

> > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she

had

given

> > the

> > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of

Brahma (for

> > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya

dhanurAtanomi

> > etc..

> > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers

is

the

> > > Being

> > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is

born

of

> > Lord

> > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another

form

> of

> > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. (

referred

in

> > > puranas

> > > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > > >

> > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in

another

> mail.

> > > That

> > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

> injunctions

> > > and

> > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as

mentioned by Shri

> > Vedavyasa

> > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > > >

> > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of

Lakshmi and

Saraswati.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > sriram nayak

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> > .

> > > com, rashmi patel

> > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF

LAXMIJI &

> > > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> > DAUGHTERS

> > > OF

> > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > > >

> > > > > > THANKS

> > > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> > .

> > > com

> > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time -

an

illusion

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no

" ism " for its

> > > existence.

> > > > > Be

> > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism.

Absolute

> reality

> > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> > Christianity.

> > > This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit

in

history

> > or

> > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says

their " ism "

> is

> > > the

> > > > > only

> > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent

understood

> > their " ism "

> > > > > > properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of

any

specific

> > > sect..

> > > > > If

> > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened

ones in

> this

> > > world

> > > > > > that too from different religions and sects.

St.Tresa of

> > Avila

,

> > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

> > >

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Dear Ash ji ,

Your response is interesting and thought provoking.

I shall study and revert back if I need some further clarifications.

Regards,

 

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi Sent: Sunday, 16 December, 2007 10:05:56 AM Re: To Ashji

 

Dear Ash,Hope I am not pestering you. Can you please explain what you mentioned below:"For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi."What do you mean by a 'sector'? Also what do you mean by "more number of sectors of saturn"? You mean sectors of all planets are counted and if staurn gets more count?Can you suggest any book on KAS so that I dont have to disturb you?Regards,Jyothiancient_indian_ astrology, "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Goel,> > >

> My replies below yours in blue.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca> http://www.ashtro. ca> > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of> Gopal Goel> Saturday December 15, 2007 7:58 AM> ancient_indian_ astrology> Cc: sohamsa; vedic_astrology_

classes Dikshit> Re: Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > > > Dear Ash,> > It is very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile different> aspects which ,on the face of it are at variance.> > Ash : Agreed.> > This is basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives material> growth.This brings two aspects in focus:> > Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle of Upachaya> place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of growth, heap> and prosperity and not just in material world.> > 1. Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give material> prosperity. If they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and > > Astakavarga bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful system to> access

this with the help of astavarga system.> > Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan. This is the basic,> and as per KAS our very basic law explains that.> > The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the significator house i.e> ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th from the house under> focus, the house under focus and the 5th from the house under focus so if we> take 7th house as house under focus then if planets are aspecting 2nd, 7th> or 11th then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful samdharmis> will give.> > Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were considered in the> old age. > > So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd house then it> will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the result, if Mars is> placed in

6th house then it will aspect 12th house who is 5th from 8th house> so it can't give death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give death as it> will aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will aspect 1st> house who is Karak for 1st house so it can't give 6th house result, if Mars> and Saturn placed in 10th house, is very good particularly if its with less> than 4 bindus as written in your next point. From 10th hosue Mars will> aspect 1st house who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house result and> Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can't give result for death.> > So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good. > > With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then in KAS we not> only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the power of each> planet for all 12 houses in all 16

D charts. In D charts however we only> add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house under focus and 5th> house so we take their power from SAV and add them. To find finer details> we then use Nadis. > > For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the sectors of> Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of Saturn are> there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic memory.> Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi.> > With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get the power using> Ashtakavarga.> > Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are considered this way or> that.> > > > If a malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will give lot of> passion. A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native

with rare bliss> and good character.> > Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house and malefics in 10th house are> good. If there is any planet in the 1st house with more than 4 bindus then> such a mars or Saturn if with less than 4 bindus will become very very> powerful. The other points are that Ma will aspect the 1st house and it> can't give the result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house can't give> the result of 8th house or death. > > Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will aspect and give power of> 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so if Mars has 2 bindus and is in> 10th house of the chart then Mars will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th house with +6> bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is individuality, 5th is> unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th house

and> if it's a male chart then one has to be more careful during conception etc> etc.> > ALL planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and strengths.> > Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th house. For natural> malefics in 11th house I have given the details above. Mars in 11th house> will aspect 6th house and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house so can't> give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are considered to> be good. > > One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less than 4 bindus in> their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they are in upachaya> sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house results as they get disqualified and> at the same time, they will have 3 aspects on 3 houses with +ve dristi> increase the power of the house and

any planet if residing in those houses.> > > 2. When lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the situation is> not always that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more point in> Astakvarga> > Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th house under focus then> 1st house becomes the Karak. A person with good Personality and health> (1st) can have good social status (6th) (it's an analogy). So 1st lord in> 6th house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the Karak for 6th> will come and reside in 6th house. > > Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than 4 bindus then there will> be 2 fold things. 1st is that it will be malefic for 6th house but that> the same time it will aspect and add points to the lagna compensating it. > > Such Now if there are more planets

aspecting the 1st house with benefic> dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then even better. > > Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more than 4 bindus will become Karak for> 11th house (success).> > For 6th house under focus, the primary house becomes 1st as Karak, 6th as> house under focus and result or phalit sthan is 10th house.> > So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF has itself has good control over 1st,> and 1st lord in 6th house means Karak itself has come to 6th house so the> overall status of such a chart will go up. > > will only try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN STRENGTH WILL> GENERATE RAJYOGA.> > 3. Thus placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house gives an> information , but placement of the lord of reference house in each upchaya> house

from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be dealt> separately.> > Your analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to each other> , but we must view the fundamental principles in right prospective and> manner.> > Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained eye and a person who> has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this such as yourself.> For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence then person> or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes unthinkable or such> a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than 4 bindus> becomes unthinkable. > > As an example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic , Shiddhantic or> modern astronomy are different. IN A WAY THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT THIS> INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS

PROGRESS IN THE FIELD OF ASTRONOMY, WHICH> IS STILL CONTINUING.> > In the similar manner astrology is touching new heights.> > Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi.> > Regards,> > > > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > Ash <kas> sohamsa@ .com; ancient_indian_ astrology> Cc: atma prakash <atma5236@.. .>; BHUSAN k <naxatra >; Chubb> Phyllis <phyllis

>; Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...>;> Kapoor S N <sn_kapoor@. ..>; Kedar M N <mnkedar >;> kiran.rama <kiran.rama@ ...>; Phyllis Chubb <phyllischubb@ ...>;> Rao K N <k_n_rao >; Rao K N <knrastro@.. .>;> vedic_astrology_ classes Dikshit <vedic_astrology_ classes@gro ups.com>> Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM> RE: Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > Dear Goel and Lakshmi,> > > > I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with.> > > > Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th house of> the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan.

That will enhance> the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of growth, heap> and prosperity.> > > > So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th house> results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house results.> > > > Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs are> present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of divorce, for> example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or sun and> 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars and 7th> lords. > > > > So such things we check separately.> > > > Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are 2> different things. So Karak and its status will control the quality

or> result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart then there> might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in extreme cases> there it might be denied. > > > > I shall reply revert to Jyoti's mail separately.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca> > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf> Of Gopal Goel> Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM> ancient_indian_ astrology> Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S N; Kedar M> N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa;

vedic_astrology_> classes Dikshit> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > > > Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji,> > 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different> > 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord> of a house> > 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are> very important to access the effects> > 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious> influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement> > 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets> > Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation> being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from > > third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of

SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is> placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage.> > > > Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya> sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary upachaya).> So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th lord i.e> Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for 7th house> significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for dual lord> ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced by being> placed in 12th house.> > > > Karak sthan is 2nd house - As per old tradition, marriages were initiated by> families. > > Phal sthan is 7th - House under focus> > Phalit Sthan is 11th - life long friend gained in the form of wife. Karak> is 6th house

so legally related.> > 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. - These are in upachaya from Karak> i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and 12th house> is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd.> > > > 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and 7th house> is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house.> > > > 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as pleasures in> this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha sthan and on> Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that the> cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house.> > > > Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house and 3rd> is the karak for death. > > > > > > So

making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then its in> upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no meaning of> upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed.> > > > Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and> 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case > > it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by> functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion.> > Important Note : > > Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the> significance of 12th house . > > The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under:> > Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment> > Secondary Karkas :> > Moon - recovery from disease,

sleep comfort> > Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey> > Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune, bad> habits,secret enemies> > Jupiter- donations,heaven> > Ketu- salvation> > Regards,> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ .co. in>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > Dear Ash,> > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of

12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house?> > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.)> I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must

be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards,> Jyothi> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology, "Ash" <kas@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Jyothi,> > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash.> > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.> > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd

house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the> > 12th house which is fixed.> > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed> > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.> > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the> > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house> > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish> > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things.> > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak

planet.> > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan> > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then> > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that> > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be> > spoilt).> > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the> > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an> > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I> > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not> > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

> the same> > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person> > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by> > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is> > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.> > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your> > questions below.> > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is> > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person> > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so> > its in 12th house from

10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a> > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a> > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord> > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from> > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards> > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.> > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it> > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and> > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that> > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger >

12th> > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra> > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in> > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and> > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things> > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on> > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.> > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is> > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.> > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good> > authority.> >

> > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a> > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good> > authority but there is a difference :-).> > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status> > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by> > that planet is enhanced.> > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th> > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is> > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes> > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to

> all> > houses.> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. ca/> ca> http://www.ashtro.> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> ca> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology> > [ancient_ indian_> <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ .> com] On Behalf Of> > jyothi_b_lakshmi> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51

PM> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > > > > > > > Dear Ashji,> > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles.> > (http://www3. <http://www3. /> > > <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa> <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa rriage.htm>> rriage.htm>> > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/

TimingOfMarriage .htm)> > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.> > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most

auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced."> > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?> > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards,> > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40. com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40. com> , "Ash"> <kas@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran and Goel,> > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean

that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary> > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are> > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced.> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th> > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in> > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality.> > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd> > > house is enhanced.> > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in

primary> > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and> > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are> > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes> > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job> > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it> > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means> > > its

benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if> > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th> > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3> > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is> > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they> > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be> > > beneficial on 3 other house.> > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house

if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus> > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it> > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say> > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on> > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its> > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th> > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> >

> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. /> <http://www.ashtro. ca> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> > ca> > http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. /> > > <http://www.ashtro. ca <http://www.ashtro. ca/> > ca> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40.

com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40. com> > > > [ancient_ indian_> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40. com> ] On> Behalf Of > > Gopal Goel> > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40. com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40. com> ;> kiran.rama> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji,> > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :> > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about

placement of > house > > lords in> > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses.> > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results.> > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th> > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies,> > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his > > livelihood. He> > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo> > > and PISCES ascendants.> > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he> > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall >

> in Lagna.> > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.> > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the> > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or> > > friendly signs.> > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of> > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect> > > the house.> > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.> > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in> > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.> > >

> > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own> > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.> > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good> > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in> > > habit to blame others.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > > Ph: 09350311433> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > NEW DELHI-110 076> > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original

Message ----> > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ >> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40. com>> > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40. com> > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the> > > same:> > > Please help me in doing so:> > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will> > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of> > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?>

> > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the> > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during> > > periods of the house lord also?> > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in> > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations> > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause> > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?> > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of> > > the house?> > > > > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > > > > > Sreenadh

<sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,> > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> > 40. com>> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva

Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for> > > > creation then he

becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean , > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:> > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,> > > > ==>> > > > " Apo Naara

Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.> > > > <==> > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara ' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> > 40. com>> > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; "Again it is said

"Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri

Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji,> > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this

happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before.> > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I

hope none > > disagrees > > > here.> > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there:> > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the

abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are> > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h ||> > > > > > > > > > This

one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> > > > > from Vishnu.> > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the

muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading> > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in > > Taiitariya> > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma,

a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for> > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc.. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani).> > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi

Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati.> > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > sriram nayak> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > > .> > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE

TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI> > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME> > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS> > > > > > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > > .> > > com> > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > > > > >

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its > > > existence. > > > > > Be > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute > reality > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > > Christianity. > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history > > or > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" > is > > > the > > > > > only > > > > > > one way to

realise GOD, then they havent understood > > their "ism" > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > > > sect.. > > > > > If > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in > this > > > world > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > > Avila , > > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here> > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. /> > > > <http://in.rd. / tagline_webmesse nger_5/*http:> <http://in.rd. / tagline_webmesse nger_5/*http: /in..messenger. y>> /in..messenger. y>> > /tagline_ webmessenger_ 5/*http:/ in..messenger. y> > ahoo.co> > > m/webmessengerpromo .php> to know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > > Click> > > > > <http://in.rd. <http://in.rd. /> > > > <http://in.rd. / tagline_webmesse nger_4/*http:> <http://in.rd. / tagline_webmesse nger_4/*http: /in.messenger. ya>> /in.messenger. ya>> > /tagline_ webmessenger_ 4/*http:/ in.messenger. ya> > hoo.com> > > /webmessengerpromo. php> here.> > >> >> > > > Dear ASH> > > > _____ > > DELETE button is history. Unlimited mail storage is just a click away.> <http://in.rd. / tagline_mail_ 7/*https: /edit.india. / config/e> val_register> > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click> <http://in.rd. / tagline_webmesse nger_5/*http: /in.messenger. > /webmessengerpromo. php> here to know how.>

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Dear Ash,

 

Thanks a ton for the link. I wonder how I missed this site while

googling for astro articles. The site looks pretty well organised. I

will read through the articles, and get back to you if I have any

queries.

 

Thanks again,

Regards,

Jyothi

 

, " Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

>

>

> You can Download the lessons that Krushanji has given from

> http://krushna.sageasita.com <http://krushna.sageasita.com/> .

>

>

>

> The details about sectors etc are given in the lesson on

Occoupation i.e.

> 21.

>

>

>

> If you download the KAS2003 from

> http://krushna.sageasita.com/KAS2006v3.2.1.zip or you can download

the KAS

> program from Donna's website from the Files and Worksheet section.

>

>

>

> There are FAQ's Section and KAS Visuals where you can read on some

important

> concepts that are given.

>

>

>

> Rest the discussions take place on the

> where you can read

Krushnaji's

> mails.

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

> On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Saturday December 15, 2007 11:36 PM

>

> Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Hope I am not pestering you. Can you please explain what you

> mentioned below:

>

> " For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the

> sectors of Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more

> sectors of Saturn are there then such a person is very brilliant

and

> has photographic memory. Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi. "

>

> What do you mean by a 'sector'? Also what do you mean by " more

number

> of sectors of saturn " ? You mean sectors of all planets are counted

> and if staurn gets more count?

>

> Can you suggest any book on KAS so that I dont have to disturb you?

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology , " Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Goel,

> >

> >

> >

> > My replies below yours in blue.

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com

> [sohamsa@ <sohamsa%

40> .com] On

> Behalf Of

> > Gopal Goel

> > Saturday December 15, 2007 7:58 AM

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > Cc: sohamsa; Dikshit

> > Re: Re: Re: To Ashji

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > It is very easy to differ but really it is difficult to reconcile

> different

> > aspects which ,on the face of it are at variance.

> >

> > Ash : Agreed.

> >

> > This is basic and fundamental principle that Upchaya places gives

> material

> > growth.This brings two aspects in focus:

> >

> > Ash : I do not agree that the basic and fundamental principle of

> Upachaya

> > place gives material growth. Upachaya sthan is the house of

> growth, heap

> > and prosperity and not just in material world.

> >

> > 1. Malefics placed in 3H and 6H removes obstacles and give

material

> > prosperity. If they are powerful in shadvarga, vimsopaka and

> >

> > Astakavarga bala , they will prove a boom. KAS gives a powerful

> system to

> > access this with the help of astavarga system.

> >

> > Ash : Malefics are said to be good in Upachaya Sthan. This is the

> basic,

> > and as per KAS our very basic law explains that.

> >

> > The basic law of KAS is that when planets aspect the significator

> house i.e

> > ABorC i.e. the Karak, phal and Phalit sthan or the 8th from the

> house under

> > focus, the house under focus and the 5th from the house under

focus

> so if we

> > take 7th house as house under focus then if planets are aspecting

> 2nd, 7th

> > or 11th then such planets cannot give result, but their powerful

> samdharmis

> > will give.

> >

> > Now, Health and Death are 2 important factors that were

considered

> in the

> > old age.

> >

> > So if u study these planets, say Mars if its placed in 3rd house

> then it

> > will aspect 6th house so Mars itself cannot give the result, if

> Mars is

> > placed in 6th house then it will aspect 12th house who is 5th

from

> 8th house

> > so it can't give death, Saturn placed in 6th house cannot give

> death as it

> > will aspect 12th house, then Saturn placed in 11th house will

> aspect 1st

> > house who is Karak for 1st house so it can't give 6th house

result,

> if Mars

> > and Saturn placed in 10th house, is very good particularly if its

> with less

> > than 4 bindus as written in your next point. From 10th hosue Mars

> will

> > aspect 1st house who is Karak for 6th so it cant give 6th house

> result and

> > Saturn will aspect 12th house so it can't give result for death.

> >

> > So, natural malefics in upachaya sthan are said to be good.

> >

> > With regards to your other points about using Shadvarga, then in

> KAS we not

> > only use Shadvarga but we use all 16 D charts and we find the

power

> of each

> > planet for all 12 houses in all 16 D charts. In D charts however

> we only

> > add the power of A+B+C means 8th from a house, house under focus

> and 5th

> > house so we take their power from SAV and add them. To find finer

> details

> > we then use Nadis.

> >

> > For example for finding the intelligence of person we see the

> sectors of

> > Saturn in Navmasa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. If more sectors of

> Saturn are

> > there then such a person is very brilliant and has photographic

> memory.

> > Navamsa is given equal importance as Rasi.

> >

> > With Vimshpak bal we do not need to calculate that as we get the

> power using

> > Ashtakavarga.

> >

> > Actually KAS is an entire system so all aspects are considered

this

> way or

> > that.

> >

> >

> >

> > If a malefic is placed in 10H in strength , it is good but will

> give lot of

> > passion. A powerful benefic in 10H will endowed the native with

> rare bliss

> > and good character.

> >

> > Agreed. 10th house controls the 1st house and malefics in 10th

> house are

> > good. If there is any planet in the 1st house with more than 4

> bindus then

> > such a mars or Saturn if with less than 4 bindus will become very

> very

> > powerful. The other points are that Ma will aspect the 1st house

> and it

> > can't give the result of 6th house and Saturn if in 10th house

> can't give

> > the result of 8th house or death.

> >

> > Mars in 10th house if with less than 4 bindus will aspect and

give

> power of

> > 8-bindus of Mars recived in 10th house so if Mars has 2 bindus

and

> is in

> > 10th house of the chart then Mars will aspect 1st, 5th and 4th

> house with +6

> > bindus increase the power of these houses so 1st is

individuality,

> 5th is

> > unearned income and 4th is happiness, yes if Ra also aspects 5th

> house and

> > if it's a male chart then one has to be more careful during

> conception etc

> > etc.

> >

> > ALL planets in 11th will give gains according to their nature and

> strengths.

> >

> > Ash : In SAV, all planets give power to their 11th house. For

> natural

> > malefics in 11th house I have given the details above. Mars in

> 11th house

> > will aspect 6th house and Sa in 11th house will aspect 8th house

so

> can't

> > give poor health nor death. So Malefics in upachaya sthan are

> considered to

> > be good.

> >

> > One other thing is the Generally these malefics have less than 4

> bindus in

> > their SAV as they have only 39 bindus. So now that they are in

> upachaya

> > sthan they cant give 6th or 8th house results as they get

> disqualified and

> > at the same time, they will have 3 aspects on 3 houses with +ve

> dristi

> > increase the power of the house and any planet if residing in

those

> houses.

> >

> >

> > 2. When lord of a house occupies Upchaya places from it , the

> situation is

> > not always that happy. Placement in 6H will give problems , more

> point in

> > Astakvarga

> >

> > Ash : No, I do not agree with this point. For 6th house under

> focus then

> > 1st house becomes the Karak. A person with good Personality and

> health

> > (1st) can have good social status (6th) (it's an analogy). So 1st

> lord in

> > 6th house will give one very powerful personality. Infact the

> Karak for 6th

> > will come and reside in 6th house.

> >

> > Now if Mars is 6th lord and if its with less than 4 bindus then

> there will

> > be 2 fold things. 1st is that it will be malefic for 6th house

> but that

> > the same time it will aspect and add points to the lagna

> compensating it.

> >

> > Such Now if there are more planets aspecting the 1st house with

> benefic

> > dristi i.e. they are themselves with less than 4 bindus then even

> better.

> >

> > Infact 1st lord in 6th house with more than 4 bindus will become

> Karak for

> > 11th house (success).

> >

> > For 6th house under focus, the primary house becomes 1st as

Karak,

> 6th as

> > house under focus and result or phalit sthan is 10th house.

> >

> > So 1st lord in 10th house means SELF has itself has good control

> over 1st,

> > and 1st lord in 6th house means Karak itself has come to 6th

house

> so the

> > overall status of such a chart will go up.

> >

> > will only try to mitigate the evil , The placement in 10H IN

> STRENGTH WILL

> > GENERATE RAJYOGA.

> >

> > 3. Thus placement of planets in upchaya from a reference house

> gives an

> > information , but placement of the lord of reference house in

each

> upchaya

> > house from it is an entirely different matter. They need to be

dealt

> > separately.

> >

> > Your analysis by KAS system and my mail are not contradictory to

> each other

> > , but we must view the fundamental principles in right

prospective

> and

> > manner.

> >

> > Ash : Yes, I agree with you, but that is for a trained eye and a

> person who

> > has deep knowledge in Vedic Astrology who can see this such as

> yourself.

> > For the rest, if I say that Saturn is the karak for intelligence

> then person

> > or even Ju in lagna might cause divorce then it becomes

unthinkable

> or such

> > a Ju can give death more eagerly particularly if it has more than

4

> bindus

> > becomes unthinkable.

> >

> > As an example some people believe that Vedic , Puranic ,

> Shiddhantic or

> > modern astronomy are different. IN A WAY THEY ARE CORRECT ,BUT

THIS

> > INDICATES THE STORY OF CONTINUOUS PROGRESS IN THE FIELD OF

> ASTRONOMY, WHICH

> > IS STILL CONTINUING.

> >

> > In the similar manner astrology is touching new heights.

> >

> > Ash : Its been very good discussing with you and Jyothi.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ash <kas@>

> > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com;

> ancient_indian_ <%40>

> astrology

> > Cc: atma prakash <atma5236@>; BHUSAN k <naxatra@>; Chubb

> > Phyllis <phyllis@>; Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@>;

> > Kapoor S N <sn_kapoor@>; Kedar M N <mnkedar@>;

> > kiran.rama <kiran.rama@>; Phyllis Chubb <phyllischubb@>;

> > Rao K N <k_n_rao@>; Rao K N <knrastro@>;

> > Dikshit

> <vedic_astrology_ <%40>

> classes >

> > Saturday, 15 December, 2007 2:03:17 AM

> > RE: Re: Re: To Ashji

> >

> > Dear Goel and Lakshmi,

> >

> >

> >

> > I beg to differ on some points and some points I agree with.

> >

> >

> >

> > Here the question was 7th lord in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th

> house of

> > the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That

> will enhance

> > the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of

> growth, heap

> > and prosperity.

> >

> >

> >

> > So 7th lord in 12th, 9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th

> house

> > results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger good for 7th house

> results.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now for divorce, there must be some yogs present. So if such yogs

> are

> > present so if such yogs are present then there are chances of

> divorce, for

> > example say lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8 or mo and 7th lord or

> sun and

> > 7th, ve and 7th lords and for females in addition we check mars

and

> 7th

> > lords.

> >

> >

> >

> > So such things we check separately.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now, I repeat again that Timing of event and Quality of event are

2

> > different things. So Karak and its status will control the

quality

> or

> > result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or 2nd lord of chart

then

> there

> > might be multiple marriages or marriages might not last or in

> extreme cases

> > there it might be denied.

> >

> >

> >

> > I shall reply revert to Jyoti's mail separately.

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca/>

http://www.ashtro.

> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa]

> On Behalf

> > Of Gopal Goel

> > Friday December 14, 2007 5:00 AM

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S

> N; Kedar M

> > N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K N; Rao K N; sohamsa;

> vedic_astrology_

> > classes Dikshit

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji,

> >

> > 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different

> >

> > 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by

> becoming a lord

> > of a house

> >

> > 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga

> bala are

> > very important to access the effects

> >

> > 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in

auspicious

> > influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement

> >

> > 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets

> >

> > Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents

> copulation

> > being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from

> >

> > third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if

> 7th lord is

> > placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage.

> >

> >

> >

> > Ash : 7th lord in 12th means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya

> > sthan.(6th and 10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are secondary

> upachaya).

> > So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th house. Even Natural 7th

> lord i.e

> > Venus gets exalted in 12th house of Pisces. So that is good for

> 7th house

> > significance. The results of 7th house are enhanced and also for

> dual lord

> > ship even the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get

enhanced

> by being

> > placed in 12th house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Karak sthan is 2nd house - As per old tradition, marriages were

> initiated by

> > families.

> >

> > Phal sthan is 7th - House under focus

> >

> > Phalit Sthan is 11th - life long friend gained in the form of

> wife. Karak

> > is 6th house so legally related.

> >

> > 4th and 12th house are samdudhi sthan. - These are in upachaya

> from Karak

> > i.e. 2nd and Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th and

> 12th house

> > is 6th from 7th and 11th from 2nd.

> >

> >

> >

> > 11th house is 10th from 2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd

and

> 7th house

> > is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house.

> >

> >

> >

> > 12th house is also moksh sthan and as per KAS we define it as

> pleasures in

> > this life time itself and in addition 12th house it is a Moksha

> sthan and on

> > Spiritual Plane. So the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that

> the

> > cheapest form would be physical pleasures of 12th house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Infact 12th house is also 5th from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd

house

> and 3rd

> > is the karak for death.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So making a long story short, if 7th lord is in 12th house then

its

> in

> > upachaya sthan, and if that is bad for 7th house then there is no

> meaning of

> > upachaya or the meaning of upachaya is destroyed.

> >

> >

> >

> > Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses (

> 1st , 5th and

> > 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in

the

> case

> >

> > it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not

> Subha by

> > functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion.

> >

> > Important Note :

> >

> > Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in

> protecting the

> > significance of 12th house .

> >

> > The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under:

> >

> > Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment

> >

> > Secondary Karkas :

> >

> > Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort

> >

> > Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey

> >

> > Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen

t,misfortune,

> bad

> > habits,secret enemies

> >

> > Jupiter- donations,heaven

> >

> > Ketu- salvation

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ .co. in>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have

> known

> > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord.

I

> > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say

12th

> is

> > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is

> it

> > only the 12th house?

> >

> > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

> > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them

one

> > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There

> can

> > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

> > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good

conjugal

> > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it

> not

> > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house

> here;

> > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

> > unless other wise forced by situation.)

> > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon

> exalted

> > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced.

But

> > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she

cannot

> > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I

am

> > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

> > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned

by

> > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At

> least

> > that is what I have seen.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology, " Ash " <kas@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Please refer to me as Ash.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

> > chart is the

> > > 12th house which is fixed.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

> > planets placed

> > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

> > placed in the

> > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of

4th

> > house

> > > would be enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

> > distinguish

> > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

> > things.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak

> planet.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

> > karak sthan

> > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

> > spoilt then

> > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we

> generally

> > say that

> > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital

> life

> > will be

> > > spoilt).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th

> house

> > of the

> > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced.

As

> an

> > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

> > quality, I

> > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event)

is

> > not

> > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but

at

> > the same

> > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so

> such

> > a person

> > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it

might

> be

> > given by

> > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

> > one is

> > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an

analogy.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

> > answer your

> > > questions below.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

> > 10th is

> > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the

Career

> of

> > a person

> > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord

is

> > in 9th so

> > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in

9th

> > house a

> > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

> > here such a

> > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

> > >

> > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

> > 9th lord

> > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as

> 12th

> > from

> > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

> > more towards

> > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

> > >

> > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

> > now it

> > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment

> and

> > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus

which

> > means that

> > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will

> trigger

> > 12th

> > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means

during

> > the antra

> > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have

to

> > put in

> > > less effort.

> > >

> > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

> > effort and

> > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u

> get

> > things

> > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate.

> Both

> > are on

> > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in

> 10th

> > is

> > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have

> good

> > > authority.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the

> CEO

> > of a

> > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have

good

> > > authority but there is a difference :-).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

> > looses status

> > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the

results

> > ruled by

> > > that planet is enhanced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

> > lord in 12th

> > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then

> 6th

> > house is

> > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and

> 3rd

> > lord goes

> > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable

> to

> > all

> > > houses.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > >

> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca/>

> ca/> ca>

> http://www.ashtro.

> > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca/> ca

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology

> > > [ancient_indian_

> > <%40> astrology@

> .

> > com] On Behalf Of

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ashji,

> > >

> > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This

is

> > > what I understood from one of the articles.

> > > (http://www3. <http://www3. <http://www3./> />

> > > <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa

> > <http://www3.

> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> > rriage.htm>

> > > telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm)

> > >

> > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then

> the

> > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in

the

> > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt

(because

> > > 12th lord from it is posited there).

> > >

> > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how

you

> > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But

> this

> > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which

is

> a

> > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

> > >

> > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house

ruled

> > by

> > > them gets enhanced. "

> > >

> > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't

> the

> > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

> > >

> > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > 40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> 40> , " Ash "

> > <kas@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I would also like to share my view.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into

> its

> > > primary

> > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd

and

> > > 11th are

> > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd)

is

> > > enhanced.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> > > KAS, 12th

> > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet

> that

> > > goes in

> > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This

is

> > > for quality.

> > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

> > quality

> > > of 3rd

> > > > house is enhanced.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd

> i.e.

> > > in primary

> > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority

> from

> > > 3rd and

> > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth,

prosperity

> > > heap.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus

so

> > > say u are

> > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd

> house

> > > becomes

> > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> > > timing job

> > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more

> than

> > 4

> > > bindu (it

> > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than

4

> > > bindus means

> > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite

> aspect

> > > so, say if

> > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th,

> 5th

> > > and 9th

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at

> the

> > > cost of 3

> > > > other house.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4

bindus

> > > (which is

> > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in

> SAV),

> > > so they

> > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

> > aspects

> > > will be

> > > > beneficial on 3 other house.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more

> than

> > 4

> > > bindus

> > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing

we

> > > consider it

> > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> > > house with say

> > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to

be

> > > with -5 on

> > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the

points

> > and

> > > its

> > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

> > lord

> > > in 12th

> > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > >

> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro./>

> />

> <http://www.ashtro. ca

> > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca/> > ca>

> > http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro./> />

> > > <http://www.ashtro. ca <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca/>

> > ca

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > 40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>

> > > > [ancient_ indian_

> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

40> ]

> On

> > Behalf Of

> > > Gopal Goel

> > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > 40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

40> ;

> > kiran.rama

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dear Kiranji,

> > > >

> > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> > > >

> > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

> > house

> > > lords in

> > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good

houses.

> > > >

> > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> > > results.

> > > >

> > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> > > placed in 8th

> > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have

thievish

> > > tendencies,

> > > > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his

> > > livelihood. He

> > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not

> apply

> > > to Virgo

> > > > and PISCES ascendants.

> > > >

> > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> > > tendencies , yet he

> > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will

> fall

> > > in Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> > > >

> > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> > > signification of the

> > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> > > own ,exaltation or

> > > > friendly signs.

> > > >

> > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

> > impact

> > > of

> > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

> > also

> > > protect

> > > > the house.

> > > >

> > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> > > >

> > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their

lords

> > are

> > > placed in

> > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> > > >

> > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with

> his

> > > own

> > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound

> health.

> > > >

> > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th

will

> > not

> > > be good

> > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him,

he

> > > will be in

> > > > habit to blame others.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > INDIA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > 40. com>

> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>

> > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in

> understanding

> > > on the

> > > > same:

> > > > Please help me in doing so:

> > > >

> > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the

> 8th

> > > house, Will

> > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in

> the

> > > period of

> > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> > > >

> > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause

> obstruction

> > > to the

> > > > significations of the house only during the period of the

> malefic

> > > or during

> > > > periods of the house lord also?

> > > >

> > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in

8th,

> > > 6th lord in

> > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> > > significations

> > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th

house

> > > cause

> > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only

> good

> > > things of

> > > > the house?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > > 40. com>

> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But

> in

> > > this

> > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the

> world

> > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum

> > > Sarvam,

> > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa:

The

> > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas.

Who

> > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> > > inherent

> > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the

Devatas

> > are

> > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in

> our

> > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> > > potential

> > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and

name.

> > The

> > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

> Pushpam

> > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises

that

> > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or

realised,

> > > man

> > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

> > Ocean ,

> > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas

gives

> > the

> > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> > > Mother

> > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

> > Primordial

> > > > Prana Shakti.

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > >

> > > > Hari Venkataraman.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> > > Poorvam

> > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have

used

> > the

> > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not

> resort

> > > to

> > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean'

> (or

> > > call

> > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from

> which

> > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the

universe

> > > > itself. 'Apa' and ' Nara ' are interchangeable words -

meaning

> the

> > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > > 40. com>

> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> > > understand

> > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic

Stores.

> > > Veda

> > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> > > mind.

> > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is

> mentioned

> > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > > > described..Vyapakat v at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo

Naara

> Iti

> > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena

Naryana

> > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts..

Who

> is

> > > just

> > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But

> Agni

> > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the

different

> > > forms

> > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> > > Vardandtu

> > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu

are

> > > both

> > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

> Srishti.

> > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven

forms

> > of

> > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading

Sri

> > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

> > inner

> > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is

> very

> > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> > > could

> > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go

to

> > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute

forms

> > > and

> > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> > > interesting

> > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> > > concuss

> > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > > > questions

> > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an

astrology

> > > group.

> > > > The

> > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> > > puranas/

> > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> > > meanings

> > > > of

> > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> > > inadequate.

> > > > The

> > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

> > have

> > > > seen

> > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and

guesses

> > > are

> > > > used

> > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple

> of

> > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > > > happened

> > > > > > before.

> > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > > > Vedangas.

> > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

> > conflict

> > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to

be

> > > taken

> > > > and

> > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> > > buddha,

> > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> > > disagrees

> > > > here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

> line

> > > from

> > > > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord

Narayana

> > > who

> > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

> Brahma

> > > nor

> > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is

also

> > not

> > > a

> > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

> various

> > > > other

> > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

> manas

> > > > (mind);

> > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there

> is

> > > not

> > > > one

> > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

> enemy

> > > to

> > > > his

> > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra

> or

> > > Agni

> > > > or

> > > > > > Pushan, are

> > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

> > havirbhiH

> > > |

> > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

> vartirashvinAvirAva

> > > t.h ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in

> > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

> control,

> > > are

> > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

> > Brahman

> > > > (R.V

> > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common

sense

> > > that

> > > > one

> > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form

> is

> > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are

all 'pUrNa'

> > > > brahman,

> > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > > > omniscient?) .

> > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

> beheading

> > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

> > shira

> > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in

> > > Taiitariya

> > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> > > control

> > > > of

> > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta

(some

> > > call

> > > > it

> > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

> > ugraM

> > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

> made

> > > > Rudra,

> > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

> given

> > > the

> > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma

(for

> > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya

dhanurAtanomi

> > > etc..

> > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is

> the

> > > > Being

> > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born

> of

> > > Lord

> > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another

form

> > of

> > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. (

referred

> in

> > > > puranas

> > > > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

> > mail.

> > > > That

> > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

> > injunctions

> > > > and

> > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri

> > > Vedavyasa

> > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and

> Saraswati.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > sriram nayak

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> astrology@

> > > .

> > > > com, rashmi patel

> > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI &

> > > > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> > > DAUGHTERS

> > > > OF

> > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > THANKS

> > > > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_

> > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> astrology@

> > > .

> > > > com

> > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

> illusion

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its

> > > > existence.

> > > > > > Be

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> > reality

> > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> > > Christianity.

> > > > This

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in

> history

> > > or

> > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says

their " ism "

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

> > > their " ism "

> > > > > > > properly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any

> specific

> > > > sect..

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in

> > this

> > > > world

> > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa

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> > > Avila ,

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Dear Group,

 

Another post that I wrote that might be

useful for some members on KAS list as well.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ash

Friday December 14, 2007

4:02 PM

To:

 

RE:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Jyothi,

 

In my previous mail I have said at the outset that – Timing of Event and Quality of Event are 2 different

things.

 

Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for

example as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun

distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and Saturn

aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected

by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in

krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord

and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th house,

or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its 6th

lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th

lord in rasi or navamsa.

 

Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th

lords if they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce.

 

These are some of the laws.

 

Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or

planets having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart using

the KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such marriages

can break when high power planets come or in the antra lord of 4th

or 12th lord.

 

Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system.

 

Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the

delay period is over and there is marriage yog in chart then if they get a

chance they will give marriage. This is as far as timing of event is

concerned.

 

Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or

in 6th lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce

depending.

 

 

So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event

with quality of event.

 

Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th

house results are enhanced.

 

The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it’s the house of growth,

heap and prosperity.

 

For 7th house under focus then 9th house is

the house of father, guru, 12th house is that of pleasures that one

gets after marriage (as per old system), 4th house is that of

physical assets, security etc that the girls father checkes before selecting a

groom so that is 10th house from 7th so authority house

from 7th and 5th house is 11th from 7th

house or in other words that success of marriage would be falling in love and

having children. 5th from 1st and 11th

from 7th.

 

So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says

that 12th house is bad for 7th house then it does not gel

well with the Upachaya theory.

 

 

 

Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power

planet for marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet

then Mercury only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes

strongest significator. It is also 6th lord.

 

Now when high power planets came then problems started to surface.

 

So as an analogy, if a “bad event happened” then high

power planets or 12th or 4th lord for 7th

house, are eager to do Good and create growth, heap and prosperity to 7th

house and that will cause problems as it will try to FLUSH out the

“bad” marriage, so if they are powerful then such a marriage will

break.

 

Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they

will feel bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing out

the bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she

will feel that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to

marry someone else and have a happier life.

 

This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight

that “Timing of Event” is different from “Quality of Event”

 

 

Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha

in 12th house for Gemini lagna.

 

If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th

lord is in 4th house then even if a person does not have their own

Car or House he will enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might

provide him with a 4 wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company flat.

 

So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have

good sight, but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house.

 

So she might have yog’s for weak eyesight, but at the same

time she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see

the world from someone else’s eye. Her husband if she is married

will be good as 2nd house is enhanced. She might have a good

family and might enjoy the happiness from them even though she might be away so

things like that.

 

 

So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th

house and if there are yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that

might not be due to 7th lord being in 12th house.

 

Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th

house is the most malefic house so 12th house becomes the most

benefic. 1st and 7th are opposites. 1st

is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and

5th is unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling.

 

2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house

is unearned wealth so u can call it inheritance of 12th from 9th

etc.

 

So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house

and planets placed in that the house signification of the house that planet

rules suffers and it’s the opposite if planets are placed in 12th

house.

 

 

Yes another thing, I wanted to share.

 

As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the

chart, and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st

or 5th lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th

from 8th house. Now highest power means as per the KAS program

i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am keeping the

“feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it would be a

very sad and tragic event” .

 

I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the

definition of good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good

events happen in highest power planet or in 10th or 6th

antra lord from the house under focus, so for marriage good will happen if it

happens in 12th or 4th lord and malefic events happen in

low power planet.

 

So based on that death is 8th house matter so its karak

is 3rd house and 5th or House C as we call it is 12th

house or sort of next generation from 8th. So maybe in due

course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might

have been considered as Malefic house.

 

Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th

and 12th are 2 of the moksh triplicity. 8th being

on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual plane and 4th

is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical plane so we say

assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical plane. 8th

house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of

moksh triplicty and its on spiritual plane..

 

So 12th house in no way can be bad.

 

I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about

that. My only concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for

that one has to understand the theory of KAS that I am working all this

off. That is not understood then I don’t think anything I will say

will be understood because many things that are as per KAS might see

“apparently” against the normal understanding of Jyotish.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

 

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi

Friday December 14, 2007

1:16 AM

 

 

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

 

Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known

so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is

the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it

only the 12th house?

 

In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can

be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not

happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here;

Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

unless other wise forced by situation.)

I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted

in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least

that is what I have seen.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

,

" Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

>

>

> Please refer to me as Ash.

>

>

>

> 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

>

>

>

> So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

chart is the

> 12th house which is fixed.

>

>

>

>

>

> So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

planets placed

> in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

>

>

>

> Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

placed in the

> 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

house

> would be enhanced.

>

>

>

> Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

distinguish

> Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

things.

>

>

>

> Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.

>

>

>

> For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

karak sthan

> and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

spoilt then

> the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally

say that

> if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life

will be

> spoilt).

>

>

>

> So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house

of the

> chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an

> analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

quality, I

> can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

not

> powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

the same

> time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such

a person

> might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be

given by

> his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

one is

> quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

>

>

>

>

>

> So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

answer your

> questions below.

>

>

>

> 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

10th is

> karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of

a person

> from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

in 9th so

> its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

house a

> Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

here such a

> person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

>

> 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

9th lord

> is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th

from

> B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

more towards

> dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

>

> 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

now it

> means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and

> pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

means that

> itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger

12th

> house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

the antra

> of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

put in

> less effort.

>

> 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

effort and

> parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get

things

> without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both

are on

> spiritual planes but 3rd is kama

and 9th is dharma trikon.

>

>

>

> Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th

is

> dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

>

>

>

> Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good

> authority.

>

>

>

> Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO

of a

> large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> authority but there is a difference :-).

>

>

>

> So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

looses status

> and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

ruled by

> that planet is enhanced.

>

>

>

> Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

lord in 12th

> are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th

house is

> enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd

lord goes

> in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to

all

> houses.

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

>

On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

>

> Re: To Ashji

>

>

>

> Dear Ashji,

>

> I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> what I understood from one of the articles.

> (http://www3.

> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>

> telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

>

> If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

> bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> 12th lord from it is posited there).

>

> If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

> exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

> Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

>

> Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

by

> them gets enhanced. "

>

> If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

> 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

>

> I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology ,

" Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> >

> >

> >

> > I would also like to share my view.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

> primary

> > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> 11th are

> > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> KAS, 12th

> > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

> goes in

> > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> for quality.

> > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

quality

> of 3rd

> > house is enhanced.

> >

> >

> >

> > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

> in primary

> > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

> 3rd and

> > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> heap.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> say u are

> > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

> becomes

> > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> timing job

> > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than

4

> bindu (it

> > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> bindus means

> > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

> so, say if

> > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

> and 9th

> > house.

> >

> >

> >

> > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

> cost of 3

> > other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> (which is

> > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

> so they

> > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

aspects

> will be

> > beneficial on 3 other house.

> >

> >

> >

> > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than

4

> bindus

> > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> consider it

> > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> house with say

> > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> with -5 on

> > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

and

> its

> > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> >

> >

> >

> > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

lord

> in 12th

> > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > [ancient_indian_

> <%40>

> astrology ]

On Behalf Of

> Gopal Goel

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology ;

kiran.rama

> > Re: To Sreenadhji:

> >

> >

> >

> > dear Kiranji,

> >

> > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> >

> > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

house

> lords in

> > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.

> >

> > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> results.

> >

> > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> placed in 8th

> > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> tendencies,

> > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his

> livelihood. He

> > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

> to Virgo

> > and PISCES ascendants.

> >

> > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> tendencies , yet he

> > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

> in Lagna.

> >

> > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> >

> > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> signification of the

> > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> own ,exaltation or

> > friendly signs.

> >

> > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

impact

> of

> > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

also

> protect

> > the house.

> >

> > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> >

> > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

are

> placed in

> > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> >

> > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with

his

> own

> > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

> >

> > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

not

> be good

> > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> will be in

> > habit to blame others.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

 

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>

> > ancient_indian_ <%

40>

> astrology

> > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > To Sreenadhji:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

> on the

> > same:

> > Please help me in doing so:

> >

> > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

> house, Will

> > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

> period of

> > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> >

> > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

> to the

> > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

> or during

> > periods of the house lord also?

> >

> > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> 6th lord in

> > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> significations

> > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> cause

> > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

> things of

> > the house?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in

> this

> > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum

> Sarvam,

> > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> inherent

> > power or Divinity in it. Apo

vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas

are

> > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our

> > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> potential

> > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

The

> > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

Pushpam

> > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

> man

> > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

Ocean,

> > the Milky

Ocean

represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

the

> > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> Mother

> > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

Primordial

> > Prana Shakti.

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > Hari Venkataraman.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > ==>

> > > " Apo Naara Iti

Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> Poorvam

> > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > <==

> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used

the

> > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort

> to

> > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or

> call

> > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which

> > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara'

are interchangeable words - meaning the

> > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%

> 40>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir,

> > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> understand

> > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> Veda

> > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> mind.

> > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned

> > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo

Naara Iti

> > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is

> just

> > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni

> > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> forms

> > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> Vardandtu

> > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> both

> > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

Srishti.

> > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

of

> > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

inner

> > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very

> > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> could

> > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> and

> > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> interesting

> > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> concuss

> > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > >

> > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > questions

> > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

> group.

> > The

> > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> puranas/

> > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> meanings

> > of

> > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> inadequate.

> > The

> > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

have

> > seen

> > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > >

> > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

 

> are

> > used

> > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple

of

> > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > happened

> > > > before.

> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > Vedangas.

> > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

conflict

> > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

> taken

> > and

> > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> buddha,

> > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> disagrees

> > here.

> > > >

> > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

line

> from

> > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

 

> who

> > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

Brahma

> nor

> > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > >

> > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also

not

> a

> > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

various

> > other

> > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

manas

> > (mind);

> > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there

is

> not

> > one

> > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

enemy

> to

> > his

> > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra

or

> Agni

> > or

> > > > Pushan, are

> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > >

> > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

havirbhiH

> |

> > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva

> t.h ||

> > > >

> > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > just like Rama and Krishna

are? The reason is again in

> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

control,

> are

> > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

Brahman

> > (R.V

> > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

 

> that

> > one

> > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is

 

> > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

 

> > brahman,

> > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > omniscient?) .

> > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

beheading

> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

shira

> > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in

> Taiitariya

> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> control

> > of

> > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

 

> call

> > it

> > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

ugraM

> > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

made

> > Rudra,

> > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

given

> the

> > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma

(for

> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

 

> etc.

> > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is

the

> > Being

> > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born

of

> Lord

> > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form

 

of

> > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred

in

> > puranas

> > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > >

> > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

mail.

> > That

> > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

injunctions

> > and

> > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by

Shri

> Vedavyasa

> > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > >

> > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi

and Saraswati.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > sriram nayak

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

astrology@

> .

> > com, rashmi patel

> > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI

&

> > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA

SAYING THEY ARE

> DAUGHTERS

> > OF

> > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > >

> > > > > THANKS

> > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > <%40>

astrology@

> .

> > com

> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

illusion

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no

" ism " for its

> > existence.

> > > > Be

> > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute

reality

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> Christianity.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in

history

> or

> > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their

" ism "

is

> > the

> > > > only

> > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

> their " ism "

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any

specific

> > sect.

> > > > If

> > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones

in

this

> > world

> > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa

of

> Avila,

 

> > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Group,

I had written this post as well. It

might help some.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ash

Thursday December 13, 2007

1:41 PM

To:

 

RE:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sandhya,

 

Actually, to really know what is complicated I would suggest u to

do one exercise.

 

Take any chart that is given, and then just start to pen down all

the yogas both good and bad in the chart and this is with respect to each

planet with each other and also with lagna and also their contras.

 

For example, every one knows that Ju with moon is called Gaj Kesari

Yog. Now, if both Ju and Mo are in 12th house then find the

relation of Ju with lagna and note down allt he yogs, then note all the yogs

that Ju means with mo, ma, su, me, ve and sa and also ju with respect to its

postion with lagna.

 

Then do the same for all other planets.

 

Then find all the special yogs such as neech bhanga yog and their

“exceptions” i.e if a planet is in Kendra as unccha and then neecha

in navamsa and vice versa etc etc, so start to include the D chars as well.

 

Then study all that from lagna, sun and moon as maharishis have

asked us to calculate the same from all 3.

 

After u have done that exercise sincerely, real v/s apparent

complication will become crystal clear.

 

Also after that, u will actually realize that Ashtakavarga infact

makes Jyotish Shastra easy especially if these calculations are now done at

your finger tips and that realization that you do not have to remember all the

different yogas and their contras as all these things are automatically taken

into account when casting the SAV.

 

Once u do upto here we can then embark on the calculations of

finding the aspectual strength, conjunctions and other factors based on the

calculations that is done above.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

 

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sandhya Nair

Thursday December 13, 2007

9:52 AM

 

Re:

Re: To Ashji

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very complicated

stuff. I got a book from a friend but felt dizzy going through it.

 

 

Sandhya

 

jyothi_b_lakshmi

<jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Ashji,

 

I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

what I understood from one of the articles.

(http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)

 

If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

12th lord from it is posited there).

 

If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

(exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

 

Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by

them gets enhanced. "

 

If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

 

I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

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Dera Ash, Fantastic..you comprise all in short,elementary. Regards AnupAsh <kas wrote: Dear Group, Another post that I wrote that might be useful for some members on KAS list as well. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of AshFriday December 14, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: RE:

Re: To Ashji Dear Jyothi, In my previous mail I have said at the outset that – Timing of Event and Quality of Event are 2 different things. Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or navamsa. Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce. These are some of the laws. Also as per the laws of KAS if marriage happens in lowest points or planets having power below 12 (for this you will have to cast the chart using the KAS program to get the total power as u see in my article) then such marriages can break when high power planets come or in the antra lord of 4th or 12th lord. Now, what all I am telling u is based on KAS system. Now 4th and 12th lords in their antra if the delay period is over and there is marriage yog in chart then if they get a chance they will give marriage. This is as far as timing of event is concerned. Now, if there is yog for divorce then if low power planet comes or in 6th lord then more chances of such marriage to end in a divorce depending. So the biggest issues comes when people confuse timing of event with quality of event. Now when 7th lord is in 12th house then 7th house results are enhanced. The meaning of Upachaya sthan means it’s the house of growth, heap and prosperity. For 7th house under focus then 9th house is the house of father, guru, 12th house is that of pleasures that one gets after marriage (as per old system), 4th house is that of physical assets, security etc that the girls father checkes before selecting a groom so that is 10th house from 7th so authority house from 7th and 5th house is

11th from 7th house or in other words that success of marriage would be falling in love and having children. 5th from 1st and 11th from 7th. So all these houses are house of growth. So if someone says that 12th house is bad for 7th house then it does not gel well with the Upachaya theory. Now in that chart on my web site, I selected the lowest power planet for marriage of Mercury. If you check the combined power of planet then Mercury only has 9 bindu power. So for a unhappy marriage it becomes strongest significator. It is also 6th lord. Now when high power planets came then problems started to

surface. So as an analogy, if a “bad event happened” then high power planets or 12th or 4th lord for 7th house, are eager to do Good and create growth, heap and prosperity to 7th house and that will cause problems as it will try to FLUSH out the “bad” marriage, so if they are powerful then such a marriage will break. Ofcourse if u ask a person who is going through divorce then they will feel bad and under stress, but then that event is good as its flushing out the bad. So in due course of time, when a person looks back he or she will feel that it was good that such a thing happened as they will go on to marry someone else and have a happier life. This is an analogy of trying to get my point across and highlight that “Timing of Event” is different from “Quality of Event” Now in reference to your friend who has eye problems with Mo unccha in 12th house for Gemini lagna. If you also refer to my previous mail, I have said that if 12th lord is in 4th house then even if a person does not have their own Car or House he will enjoy the result of that, i.e. maybe the company might provide him with a 4 wheeler or 2 wheeler and a company

flat. So, please think the same for your friend, if she does not have good sight, but she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. So she might have yog’s for weak eyesight, but at the same time she will enjoy the results of 2nd house. So might get see the world from someone else’s eye. Her husband if she is married will be good

as 2nd house is enhanced. She might have a good family and might enjoy the happiness from them even though she might be away so things like that. So it is quite possible that if 7th lord is in 12th house and if there are yogs for divorce then he or she might divorce but that might not be due to 7th lord being in 12th house. Also 12th house is opposite 6th house and 6th house is the most malefic house so 12th house becomes the most benefic. 1st and 7th are opposites. 1st is self so 7th is partner, 11th is self earned income and 5th is unearned income so people call it speculation or gambling. 2nd house is self earned wealth and 8th house is unearned wealth so u can call it

inheritance of 12th from 9th etc. So based on that theory, 6th is the most malefic house and planets placed in that the house signification of the house that planet rules suffers and it’s the opposite if planets are placed in 12th house. Yes another thing, I wanted to share. As far as KAS is concerned, death is the most benefic event in the chart, and that happens in the highest power planet of in the antra of 1st or 5th lord i.e. 6th from 8th or 10th from 8th house. Now highest power means as per the KAS program i.e combined ashtakavarg power. Here I am keeping the “feelings of the close ones of the native aside as for them it would be a very sad and tragic event” . I am basing this as per the very basic of KAS system i.e the definition of good and bad events and that is based on the fact that good events happen in highest power planet or in 10th or 6th antra lord from the house under focus, so for marriage good will happen if it happens in 12th or 4th lord and malefic events happen in low power planet. So based on that death is 8th house matter

so its karak is 3rd house and 5th or House C as we call it is 12th house or sort of next generation from 8th. So maybe in due course of time 12th, 8th and 3rd house might have been considered as Malefic house. Infact 3rd house is that of Parakram and 8th and 12th are 2 of the moksh triplicity. 8th being on mental plane and 12th being on spiritual plane and 4th is on physical plane and moksha sthan so enjoyment on physical plane so we say assets, cars etc stuff that we enjoy (moksh) on physical plane.

8th house is the enjoyment on mental plane and 12th is most powerful of moksh triplicty and its on spiritual plane.. So 12th house in no way can be bad. I hope my mail has not confused you if it has sorry about that. My only concern is that I can write and go on and on and on but for that one has to understand the theory of KAS

that I am working all this off. That is not understood then I don’t think anything I will say will be understood because many things that are as per KAS might see “apparently” against the normal understanding of Jyotish. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmiFriday December 14, 2007 1:16 AMTo:

Subject: Re: To Ashji Dear Ash,Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house?In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th

lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.)I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen.

Regards,Jyothi , "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Jyothi,> > > > Please refer to me as Ash.> > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.> > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the> 12th house which is fixed.> > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed> in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.> > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the> 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house> would be enhanced. > > >

> Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish> Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things.> > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.> > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the karak sthan> and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then> the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that> if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be> spoilt).> > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the> chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an> analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I> can say is that, assume a person's 4th

house (timing of event) is not> powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at the same> time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person> might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by> his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is> quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.> > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your> questions below.> > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is> karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person> from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so> its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house

a> Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a> person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord> is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th from> B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards> dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.> > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it> means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and> pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that> itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th> house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra> of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in> less

effort. > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and> parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things> without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on> spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.> > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is> dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.> > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good> authority.> > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a> large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good> authority but there is a difference :-).> > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

looses status> and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by> that planet is enhanced.> > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th> are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is> enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes> in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all> houses.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of> jyothi_b_lakshmi> Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM> > Re: To Ashji> > > > Dear Ashji,> > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > what I understood from one of the articles.> (http://www3.> <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>> telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)> > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > bhava

X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.> > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by > them gets enhanced."> > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > 12th lord

from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?> > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > Regards,> Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "Ash" <kas@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran and Goel,> > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view.> > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > primary> > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > 11th are> > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > enhanced.> > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > KAS,

12th> > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > goes in> > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > for quality.> > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality > of 3rd> > house is enhanced.> > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > in primary> > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > 3rd and> > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > heap.> > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > say u are> > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > becomes> > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > timing

job> > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 > bindu (it> > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > bindus means> > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > so, say if> > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > and 9th> > house.> > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > cost of 3> > other house. > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > (which is> > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > so they> > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

aspects > will be> > beneficial on 3 other house.> > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 > bindus> > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > consider it> > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > house with say> > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > with -5 on> > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and > its> > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord > in 12th> > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers

!!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro.> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > [ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology ] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology ; kiran.rama> > Re: To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > > > dear Kiranji,> > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :> > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house > lords in> > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.> > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > results.> > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > placed in 8th> > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > tendencies,> > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > livelihood. He> > becomes the cause of his own death. These

results will not apply > to Virgo> > and PISCES ascendants.> > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > tendencies , yet he> > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > in Lagna.> > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.> > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > signification of the> > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > own ,exaltation or> > friendly signs.> > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact > of> > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also > protect> > the house.> > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.> > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if

their lords are > placed in> > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.> > > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > own> > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.> > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not > be good> > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > will be in> > habit to blame others.> > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message

----> > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM> > To Sreenadhji:> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > on the> > same:> > Please help me in doing so:> > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > house, Will> > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > period of> > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?> > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > to the>

> significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > or during> > periods of the house lord also?> > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > 6th lord in> > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > significations> > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > cause> > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > things of> > the house?> > > > Thanks> > Kiran> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. :)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_

<%> 40>> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > this > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > Sarvam, > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > inherent > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > > in the water.It is

a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > potential > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam Pushpam > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > man > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > Mother

> > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > > Prana Shakti. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,> > > ==>> > > "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > Poorvam > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.> > > <==> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > to > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff

of primordial occean' (or > call > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> 40>> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear sir, > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > understand > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > Veda > > fully

speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > mind. > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara Iti > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > just > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > forms > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > Vardandtu > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > both

> > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > could > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > and > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > interesting > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > concuss > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji,> > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > questions > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > group. > > The > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > puranas/ > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > meanings > > of > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > inadequate. > > The > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > > seen > > > > this

happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > are > > used > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > happened > > > > before.> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > Vedangas. > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > taken > > and > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > buddha, > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > disagrees > > here.> > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of

Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > from > > > > Mahopanishad is there:> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > who > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > nor > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not > a > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > other > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > (mind); > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > not > > one > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy

> to > > his > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > Agni > > or > > > > Pushan, are> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH > | > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > t.h ||> > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> > > > from Vishnu.> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to

be the control, > are > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > > (R.V > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > that > > one > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > brahman, > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > omniscient?) . > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > Taiitariya> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > control > > of > > > > ambhraNI (

Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > call > > it > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > Rudra, > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > the > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > etc. > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > Being > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > Lord > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is

Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > puranas > > > > as chaturavadana rani).> > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > > That > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > > and > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > Vedavyasa > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > sriram nayak> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40> astrology@ >

.> > com, rashmi patel > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > SARASWATIJI> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > DAUGHTERS > > OF > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME> > > > > > > > > > THANKS> > > > > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40> astrology@ > .> >

com> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its > > existence. > > > > Be > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality > is > > > > the > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > Christianity. > > This > > > > is > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history > or > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" is > > the > > > > only > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent

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