Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Sri Chandra Hari, Are the trade exchanges between the Middle East and Kerala ( or India ) the only possible reason of the diffusion of antique esoteric knowledge ? Or could it be that the ancient universities of India like Nalanda and Taxila ( to name just 2, there could be more still ancient than Nalanda & taxila ) which would have had students from Rome / Greece / Babylon who got taught about the astronomical info in the Vedas and these students inturn returning to their natives propagating their knowledge another possible cause ? Hipparchus lived in 2nd century BC but Vedas predates him by many years and certain info ( like the precession of equinox ) which present day science attributes as the observation of Hipparchus is infact implicit in the Vedas or puranas passed on to us from time immemorial. Aryabhata was candid enough to acknowledge the source of his info - which he himself attributes to the Vedas. The term Calendar itself has got a Sanskrit touch to it --- Cal ( Kal ) is time and Andar is gap or duration. The names of different months in the Calendar also got Sanskrit essence to it - like Dec( dasam = 10 )ember , but its the 12th month. Nov ( Navam = 9 )ember , but its the 11th month. Octo ( Ashta = 8 ) ember, but its the 10th month. Sept ( Sapta = 7 ) ember, but its the 9th month. The variation of 2 months is because the Romans decided to insert July and August to supposedly felicilate Julius and Augustus Caeser and thereby shifting Dec as the 12th, Nov as the 11th and so on. Coming to the point, the above names, terminologies numerals are as said in the Vedas which suggests a Roman/ Greek adaptation of the same from ancient Indian texts. Regards Bejoy C.S. www.keraladarsan.com Regards Bejoy C.S. www.keraladarsan.com --- chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: > > Dear Kumar, > > Read about Hipparchus on the net. He lived in 2nd > cent BC. He had > instruments like the astrolabe. Aryabhata came about > 600 years after and > he had good number of instruments and his > computations are accurate to > minutes of arc in certain special cases. General > accuracy was less as > the test of their computations was eclipse times > which is a very > complicated issue. > > Diameter and distances in ancient times had nothing > to do with actual > values as we know in modern astronomy. They had > relative distances > correctly like Moon is at 60 times earth's radii etc > so that the > parallax could be computed correctly. > > Aryabhata worked with knowledge came from Alexandria > at the Cera Capital > Tondi (modern Ponnani) which was an ancient Port and > Arab trade centre. > Like the Gupta age in North Cera age was the golden > period of Kerala > with flourishing foreign trade on spices and wood > etc with Egypt, Rome > and Babylon. Kerala of those days is known more > through foreign sources > - accounts of visitors - than from Indian sources. > Lot of coinage (Gold > from Rome) has been unearthed in modern times which > speak about the > Golden age. > > chandra hari > > > , > " vinita kumar " > <shankar_mamta wrote: > > > > this forum is making my head spin. i wish i knew > more to make sense > > of things. just read abt aryabhatta and his > contributions to > > astronomy. was it only thru mathmatics that he > could compute the > > circumfrence of the earth with such > precision?...and also come to > > other conclusions regarding motion of planets, > declination of earth, > > path of orbit, etc? > > > > it appears that mathematics/ganita is crucial to > abstract astronomy. > > presumably in ancient times they did not have any > instruments of > > measurement and therefore relied solely on ganita > for computations > > and for arriving at conclusions...and that too > with so > > much accuracy!!!!! > > > > ephemeris is presumably one of the links between > astrology and > > astronomy. but then who constructed the first > accurate ephemeris? > > when and where? or did it evolve slowly over time? > how can eclipses > > be predicted so accurately even today based on the > ancient ephemiris? > > > > why are there common features in calendars across > the globe...? > > lunar calendars, solar calendars, calendars using > planets (Mayaan > > calendar based on Venus and ending with the > eclipse of Venus in > > 2012?)calendars having seven days in a week? did > the calendars / > > ephemeris have a common origin or was there better > communication > > among civilisations across space and over time > than we can imagine? > > > > to make any chart how could ancient astrologers > have such good > > knowledge of the position of not only the > placement and movement of > > bodies in the solar system but also their > relationship with more > > distant and therefore relatively stable > stars/nakshatras in outer > > space?....how did they know abt precession, cycles > of time / yugas, > > etc....combining the micro in the chart with the > macro of the cosmos? > > > > not only this, but going by one of the messages on > this forum there > > was knowledge in the ancient times of how our > solar system revolved > > around the sapatarishis and how the saptarishis > revolved around the > > dhruva tara and how the dhruv tara revolved around > Brahma....!?...or > > a huge black hole in the centre of the galaxy, > according to modern > > day physics? > > > > there is a theory that our planet was visited by > super intelligent > > creatures from outer space. could the knowledge of > the brahmanda > > been brought to earth by such beings who then > codified it in > > secret / hidden / obscure texts, including the > ephemiris? or could > > it be that rishis sitting in meditation could > anyway realize the > > brahmanda as an inner journey....and wrote abt it > in ancient > > treatises? > > > > it is easy to indulge fantasies...but the fact > remains that > > knowledge is sooooooooo vaste and so intimidating > that i can only > > stand stupefied, mouth open in wonder, as the > world and the head > > spins around....and i marvel at my > ignorance....even on this forum. > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear all, The below mix up could also be avoided if we consider March ( march 21 vernal equinox )as the start of the year. But the crux of the mail is different from calendar reform. Regards Bejoy C.S. www.keraladarsan.com --- Bejoy <bejoy_cs wrote: > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > Are the trade exchanges between the Middle East and > Kerala ( or India ) the only possible reason of the > diffusion of antique esoteric knowledge ? > > Or could it be that the ancient universities of > India > like Nalanda and Taxila ( to name just 2, there > could > be more still ancient than Nalanda & taxila ) which > would have had students from Rome / Greece / Babylon > who got taught about the astronomical info in the > Vedas and these students inturn returning to their > natives propagating their knowledge another possible > cause ? > > Hipparchus lived in 2nd century BC but Vedas > predates > him by many years and certain info ( like the > precession of equinox ) which present day science > attributes as the observation of Hipparchus is > infact > implicit in the Vedas or puranas passed on to us > from > time immemorial. Aryabhata was candid enough to > acknowledge the source of his info - which he > himself > attributes to the Vedas. > > The term Calendar itself has got a Sanskrit touch to > it --- Cal ( Kal ) is time and Andar is gap or > duration. The names of different months in the > Calendar also got Sanskrit essence to it - > > like Dec( dasam = 10 )ember , but its the 12th > month. > > Nov ( Navam = 9 )ember , but its the 11th month. > > Octo ( Ashta = 8 ) ember, but its the 10th month. > > Sept ( Sapta = 7 ) ember, but its the 9th month. > > The variation of 2 months is because the Romans > decided to insert July and August to supposedly > felicilate Julius and Augustus Caeser and thereby > shifting Dec as the 12th, Nov as the 11th and so on. > > Coming to the point, the above names, terminologies > numerals are as said in the Vedas which suggests a > Roman/ Greek adaptation of the same from ancient > Indian texts. > > Regards > > Bejoy C.S. > www.keraladarsan.com > > > > Regards > > Bejoy C.S. > www.keraladarsan.com --- chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: > > > > > Dear Kumar, > > > > Read about Hipparchus on the net. He lived in 2nd > > cent BC. He had > > instruments like the astrolabe. Aryabhata came > about > > 600 years after and > > he had good number of instruments and his > > computations are accurate to > > minutes of arc in certain special cases. General > > accuracy was less as > > the test of their computations was eclipse times > > which is a very > > complicated issue. > > > > Diameter and distances in ancient times had > nothing > > to do with actual > > values as we know in modern astronomy. They had > > relative distances > > correctly like Moon is at 60 times earth's radii > etc > > so that the > > parallax could be computed correctly. > > > > Aryabhata worked with knowledge came from > Alexandria > > at the Cera Capital > > Tondi (modern Ponnani) which was an ancient Port > and > > Arab trade centre. > > Like the Gupta age in North Cera age was the > golden > > period of Kerala > > with flourishing foreign trade on spices and wood > > etc with Egypt, Rome > > and Babylon. Kerala of those days is known more > > through foreign sources > > - accounts of visitors - than from Indian sources. > > Lot of coinage (Gold > > from Rome) has been unearthed in modern times > which > > speak about the > > Golden age. > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > , > > " vinita kumar " > > <shankar_mamta wrote: > > > > > > this forum is making my head spin. i wish i knew > > more to make sense > > > of things. just read abt aryabhatta and his > > contributions to > > > astronomy. was it only thru mathmatics that he > > could compute the > > > circumfrence of the earth with such > > precision?...and also come to > > > other conclusions regarding motion of planets, > > declination of earth, > > > path of orbit, etc? > > > > > > it appears that mathematics/ganita is crucial to > > abstract astronomy. > > > presumably in ancient times they did not have > any > > instruments of > > > measurement and therefore relied solely on > ganita > > for computations > > > and for arriving at conclusions...and that too > > with so > > > much accuracy!!!!! > > > > > > ephemeris is presumably one of the links between > > astrology and > > > astronomy. but then who constructed the first > > accurate ephemeris? > > > when and where? or did it evolve slowly over > time? > > how can eclipses > > > be predicted so accurately even today based on > the > > ancient ephemiris? > > > > > > why are there common features in calendars > across > > the globe...? > > > lunar calendars, solar calendars, calendars > using > > planets (Mayaan > > > calendar based on Venus and ending with the > > eclipse of Venus in > > > 2012?)calendars having seven days in a week? did > > the calendars / > > > ephemeris have a common origin or was there > better > > communication > > > among civilisations across space and over time > > than we can imagine? > > > > > > to make any chart how could ancient astrologers > > have such good > > > knowledge of the position of not only the > > placement and movement of > > > bodies in the solar system but also their > > relationship with more > > > distant and therefore relatively stable > > stars/nakshatras in outer > > > space?....how did they know abt precession, > cycles > > of time / yugas, > > > etc....combining the micro in the chart with the > > macro of the cosmos? > > > > > > not only this, but going by one of the messages > on > > this forum there > > > was knowledge in the ancient times of how our > > solar system revolved > > > around the sapatarishis and how the saptarishis > > revolved around the > > > dhruva tara and how the dhruv tara revolved > around > > Brahma....!?...or > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Bejoy, it would be very helpful for me, if you show me some concrete Vedic cites of precession and its value. Servus sepp Am 15.12.2007 um 11:05 schrieb Bejoy: > Hipparchus lived in 2nd century BC but Vedas predates > him by many years and certain info ( like the > precession of equinox ) which present day science > attributes as the observation of Hipparchus is infact > implicit in the Vedas or puranas passed on to us from > time immemorial. Aryabhata was candid enough to > acknowledge the source of his info - which he himself > attributes to the Vedas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Bejoy, Am 15.12.2007 um 11:05 schrieb Bejoy: > The term Calendar itself has got a Sanskrit touch to > it --- Cal ( Kal ) is time and Andar is gap or > duration. The names of different months in the > Calendar also got Sanskrit essence to it - > > like Dec( dasam = 10 )ember , but its the 12th month. > > Nov ( Navam = 9 )ember , but its the 11th month. > > Octo ( Ashta = 8 ) ember, but its the 10th month. > > Sept ( Sapta = 7 ) ember, but its the 9th month. > > The variation of 2 months is because the Romans > decided to insert July and August to supposedly > felicilate Julius and Augustus Caeser and thereby > shifting Dec as the 12th, Nov as the 11th and so on. NO! Thats not correct! Ancients Romans counted the months starting with March (spring month), what caused this way of numbering! Before Caesar this month (July and August) were called Quintilis and Sextilis. See e.g.: http://www.tondering.dk/claus/cal/node3.html Servus Sepp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Yes Sepp, See below ... Regards Bejoy C.S. www.keraladarsan.com --- Bejoy <bejoy_cs wrote: > > > Dear all, > > The below mix up could also be avoided if we > consider > March ( march 21 vernal equinox )as the start of the > year. But the crux of the mail is different from > calendar reform. > > Regards > > Bejoy C.S. > www.keraladarsan.com > > > --- Bejoy <bejoy_cs wrote: > > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari, > > > > Are the trade exchanges between the Middle East > and > > Kerala ( or India ) the only possible reason of > the > > diffusion of antique esoteric knowledge ? > > > > Or could it be that the ancient universities of > > India > > like Nalanda and Taxila ( to name just 2, there > > could > > be more still ancient than Nalanda & taxila ) > which > > would have had students from Rome / Greece / > Babylon > > who got taught about the astronomical info in the > > Vedas and these students inturn returning to their > > natives propagating their knowledge another > possible > > cause ? > > > > Hipparchus lived in 2nd century BC but Vedas > > predates > > him by many years and certain info ( like the > > precession of equinox ) which present day science > > attributes as the observation of Hipparchus is > > infact > > implicit in the Vedas or puranas passed on to us > > from > > time immemorial. Aryabhata was candid enough to > > acknowledge the source of his info - which he > > himself > > attributes to the Vedas. > > > > The term Calendar itself has got a Sanskrit touch > to > > it --- Cal ( Kal ) is time and Andar is gap or > > duration. The names of different months in the > > Calendar also got Sanskrit essence to it - > > > > like Dec( dasam = 10 )ember , but its the 12th > > month. > > > > Nov ( Navam = 9 )ember , but its the 11th month. > > > > Octo ( Ashta = 8 ) ember, but its the 10th month. > > > > Sept ( Sapta = 7 ) ember, but its the 9th month. > > > > The variation of 2 months is because the Romans > > decided to insert July and August to supposedly > > felicilate Julius and Augustus Caeser and thereby > > shifting Dec as the 12th, Nov as the 11th and so > on. > > > > Coming to the point, the above names, > terminologies > > numerals are as said in the Vedas which suggests > a > > Roman/ Greek adaptation of the same from ancient > > Indian texts. > > > > Regards > > > > Bejoy C.S. > > www.keraladarsan.com > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Bejoy C.S. > > www.keraladarsan.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kumar, > > > > > > Read about Hipparchus on the net. He lived in > 2nd > > > cent BC. He had > > > instruments like the astrolabe. Aryabhata came > > about > > > 600 years after and > > > he had good number of instruments and his > > > computations are accurate to > > > minutes of arc in certain special cases. General > > > accuracy was less as > > > the test of their computations was eclipse times > > > which is a very > > > complicated issue. > > > > > > Diameter and distances in ancient times had > > nothing > > > to do with actual > > > values as we know in modern astronomy. They had > > > relative distances > > > correctly like Moon is at 60 times earth's radii > > etc > > > so that the > > > parallax could be computed correctly. > > > > > > Aryabhata worked with knowledge came from > > Alexandria > > > at the Cera Capital > > > Tondi (modern Ponnani) which was an ancient Port > > and > > > Arab trade centre. > > > Like the Gupta age in North Cera age was the > > golden > > > period of Kerala > > > with flourishing foreign trade on spices and > wood > > > etc with Egypt, Rome > > > and Babylon. Kerala of those days is known more > > > through foreign sources > > > - accounts of visitors - than from Indian > sources. > > > Lot of coinage (Gold > > > from Rome) has been unearthed in modern times > > which > > > speak about the > > > Golden age. > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > , > > > " vinita kumar " > > > <shankar_mamta wrote: > > > > > > > > this forum is making my head spin. i wish i > knew > > > more to make sense > > > > of things. just read abt aryabhatta and his > > > contributions to > > > > astronomy. was it only thru mathmatics that he > > > could compute the > > > > circumfrence of the earth with such > > > precision?...and also come to > > > > other conclusions regarding motion of planets, > > > declination of earth, > > > > path of orbit, etc? > > > > > > > > it appears that mathematics/ganita is crucial > to > > > abstract astronomy. > > > > presumably in ancient times they did not have > > any > > > instruments of > > > > measurement and therefore relied solely on > > ganita > > > for computations > > > > and for arriving at conclusions...and that too > > > with so > > > > much accuracy!!!!! > > > > > > > > ephemeris is presumably one of the links > between > > > astrology and > > > > astronomy. but then who constructed the first > > > accurate ephemeris? > > > > when and where? or did it evolve slowly over > > time? > > > how can eclipses > > > > be predicted so accurately even today based on > > the > > > ancient ephemiris? > > > > > > > > why are there common features in calendars > > across > > > the globe...? > > > > lunar calendars, solar calendars, calendars > > using > > > planets (Mayaan > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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