Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Dear Ben and Group - > > Missing your posts on this list. Hope you are doing well and not too > busy. Still hoping you can respond to my query posted last week. For those of you who are wondering where Ash is, he's on vacation visiting his family in India and hopefully even getting to pay a visit with Krushna as well. He will be back soon, relaxed and ready to go. . . Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dear Ash, Here are the details of my cousin: DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) Place: Calicut Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three years old seems to be autistic. (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me know, for > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor eyesight, > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell me the > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > kiran.rama > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean, > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Jyothi, Thank you for your quick reply and offering the chart of your cousin. With Krushna’s Ayanamsa for this chart I am not getting Moon in 2nd house but instead I am getting Moon in 1st house. Mars has 0 points in the 5th house. Mars is lord of 11th and 6th so karak for conception (as per KAS we check 11th and 5th both for a womans chart for conception). Both Mars and Rahu are aspecting 8th house as well and overall points for 5th house are less except for Ju and Mo. You can check in the snapshot of the points attached. KAY: 22:39:23 Jyothi, what was your cousins marriage date? If she Married in Saturn antra then that has low points i.e. 11 for 7th house and 19 for 11th house. Saturn 2001-Apr-23 2003-Nov-04 Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Tuesday December 18, 2007 1:26 AM Subject: Re: To Ash Dear Ash, Here are the details of my cousin: DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) Place: Calicut Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three years old seems to be autistic. (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me know, for > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor eyesight, > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell me the > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > kiran.rama > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean, > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Oops, me bad, I have made a small correction which is highlighted below. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Ash [kas] Tuesday December 18, 2007 5:52 AM ' '; ' ' Re: To Ash Dear Jyothi, Thank you for your quick reply and offering the chart of your cousin. With Krushna’s Ayanamsa for this chart I am not getting Moon in 12th house but instead I am getting Moon in 1st house. Mars has 0 points in the 5th house. Mars is lord of 11th and 6th so karak for conception (as per KAS we check 11th and 5th both for a womans chart for conception). Both Mars and Rahu are aspecting 8th house as well and overall points for 5th house are less except for Ju and Mo. You can check in the snapshot of the points attached. KAY: 22:39:23 Jyothi, what was your cousins marriage date? If she Married in Saturn antra then that has low points i.e. 11 for 7th house and 19 for 11th house. Saturn 2001-Apr-23 2003-Nov-04 Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Tuesday December 18, 2007 1:26 AM Subject: Re: To Ash Dear Ash, Here are the details of my cousin: DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) Place: Calicut Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three years old seems to be autistic. (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me know, for > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor eyesight, > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell me the > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > kiran.rama > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean, > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Jyothi, Thank you for your quick reply and offering the chart of your cousin. With Krushna’s Ayanamsa for this chart I am not getting Moon in 2nd house but instead I am getting Moon in 1st house. Mars has 0 points in the 5th house. Mars is lord of 11th and 6th so karak for conception (as per KAS we check 11th and 5th both for a womans chart for conception). Both Mars and Rahu are aspecting 8th house as well and overall points for 5th house are less except for Ju and Mo. You can check in the snapshot of the points attached. KAY: 22:39:23 Jyothi, what was your cousins marriage date? If she Married in Saturn antra then that has low points i.e. 11 for 7th house and 19 for 11th house. Saturn 2001-Apr-23 2003-Nov-04 Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Tuesday December 18, 2007 1:26 AM Subject: Re: To Ash Dear Ash, Here are the details of my cousin: DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) Place: Calicut Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three years old seems to be autistic. (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me know, for > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor eyesight, > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell me the > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > kiran.rama > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean, > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Oops, me bad, I have made a small correction which is highlighted below. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Ash [kas] Tuesday December 18, 2007 5:52 AM ' '; ' ' Re: To Ash Dear Jyothi, Thank you for your quick reply and offering the chart of your cousin. With Krushna’s Ayanamsa for this chart I am not getting Moon in 12th house but instead I am getting Moon in 1st house. Mars has 0 points in the 5th house. Mars is lord of 11th and 6th so karak for conception (as per KAS we check 11th and 5th both for a womans chart for conception). Both Mars and Rahu are aspecting 8th house as well and overall points for 5th house are less except for Ju and Mo. You can check in the snapshot of the points attached. KAY: 22:39:23 Jyothi, what was your cousins marriage date? If she Married in Saturn antra then that has low points i.e. 11 for 7th house and 19 for 11th house. Saturn 2001-Apr-23 2003-Nov-04 Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Tuesday December 18, 2007 1:26 AM Subject: Re: To Ash Dear Ash, Here are the details of my cousin: DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) Place: Calicut Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three years old seems to be autistic. (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me know, for > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor eyesight, > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell me the > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > kiran.rama > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean, > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for your efforts. Frankly speaking, this ayanamsa thing drives me crazy. There is a list of doyens who have invented their own ayanamsas and claim them to be the true one. People like me, who dont have the knowledge, time, sincerity and above all the quest to find which is the true one, are at a loss. I for myself just check which one gives results closer to real life experience and stick to that. Even that cannot give accurate results consistently. So when each value has only 50% chance of success how can we finalise which is the correct one? Truth can only be ONE irrespective of who finds it. I wonder how different people get different values for the same entity. If we consider the possiblity of humane errors, then anybody can go wrong(though nobody will accept their mistake). May be somebody else will come up with another value. Even then, there is no guarantee that he/she can accurately predict events with consistency. The universe existed the same way before and after the discovery of gravitational force. Same way, our future will evolve and will continue to evolve as a half solved mystery irrespective of any ayanamsa discovery. Sometimes I feel, we are man-handling this divine science. A rose when looked through a microscope displays the ugly collection of cells. Aren't we destroying the beauty of astrology as a divine science by not being able to see the forest for the trees?? True or false, everybody will be having an ayanamsa which they find to be fine wrt their experience. If faith can move mountains, I think having faith in one ayanamsa, be it anybody's, will show near to accurate results. I will not say 100% accurate results because, that will be over estimating the ability of a human being when he is only a minute part of this macrocosm. We cannot anyway customise events to fit an ayanamsa. If there is any mismatch, let it be. Why must we try to perfect ourselves when we are actually not perfect? Aren't we fools to believe that we can solve the mystery that Divine power has interwoven with his creation, when we ourselves know that the mystery cannot be solved even if we try for eons?? Ashji, you might be wondering why all of a sudden I am saying all these to you. I am sorry I couldnt help writing. Please take it as an uncontrollable outflow of my thoughts. Nothing specific to you, actually. It just happened that my thoughts found an outlet on reading your mail, may be the reference to ayanamsa triggered my thoughts. Otherwise it has got no connection with you. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Thank you for your quick reply and offering the chart of your cousin. > > > > With Krushna's Ayanamsa for this chart I am not getting Moon in 2nd house > but instead I am getting Moon in 1st house. > > > > Mars has 0 points in the 5th house. Mars is lord of 11th and 6th so karak > for conception (as per KAS we check 11th and 5th both for a womans chart for > conception). Both Mars and Rahu are aspecting 8th house as well and overall > points for 5th house are less except for Ju and Mo. You can check in the > snapshot of the points attached. KAY: > > 22:39:23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyothi, what was your cousins marriage date? If she Married in Saturn antra > then that has low points i.e. 11 for 7th house and 19 for 11th house. > > > > > Saturn > > 2001-Apr-23 > > 2003-Nov-04 > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Tuesday December 18, 2007 1:26 AM > > Re: To Ash > > > > Dear Ash, > > Here are the details of my cousin: > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) > Place: Calicut > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three > years old seems to be autistic. > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me > know, for > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor > eyesight, > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell > me the > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > chart is the > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > planets placed > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > placed in the > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > house > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > distinguish > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > karak sthan > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > spoilt then > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > generally > > say that > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > life > > will be > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > house > > of the > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > an > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > quality, I > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > not > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > the same > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > such > > a person > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > be > > given by > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > one is > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > answer your > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > 10th is > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > of > > a person > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > in 9th so > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > house a > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > here such a > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > 9th lord > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > 12th > > from > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > more towards > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > now it > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > and > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > means that > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > trigger > > 12th > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > the antra > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > put in > > > less effort. > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > effort and > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > get > > things > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > Both > > are on > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > 10th > > is > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > good > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > CEO > > of a > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > looses status > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > ruled by > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > lord in 12th > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > 6th > > house is > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > 3rd > > lord goes > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > to > > all > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > (http://www3. > > > <http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > the > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > this > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > a > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > by > > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > the > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " Ash " > > <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > its > > > primary > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > 11th are > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > KAS, 12th > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > that > > > goes in > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > for quality. > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > quality > > > of 3rd > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > i.e. > > > in primary > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > from > > > 3rd and > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > say u are > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > house > > > becomes > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > timing job > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > than > > 4 > > > bindu (it > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > bindus means > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > aspect > > > so, say if > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > 5th > > > and 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > the > > > cost of 3 > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > (which is > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > SAV), > > > so they > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > aspects > > > will be > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > than > > 4 > > > bindus > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > consider it > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > house with say > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > with -5 on > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > and > > > its > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > lord > > > in 12th > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of > > > Gopal Goel > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > kiran.rama > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > house > > > lords in > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > results. > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > placed in 8th > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > tendencies, > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > livelihood. He > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > apply > > > to Virgo > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > fall > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > signification of the > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > impact > > > of > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > also > > > protect > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > are > > > placed in > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > his > > > own > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > health. > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > not > > > be good > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > will be in > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > understanding > > > on the > > > > same: > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > 8th > > > house, Will > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > the > > > period of > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > obstruction > > > to the > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic > > > or during > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > 6th lord in > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > significations > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > cause > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > good > > > things of > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > in > > > this > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > world > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > Sarvam, > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > inherent > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > are > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > our > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > potential > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > The > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam > Pushpam > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > man > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > Ocean, > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > the > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > Mother > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > Primordial > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > Poorvam > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > <== > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > the > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > resort > > > to > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > (or > > > call > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > which > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > the > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > understand > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > Veda > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > mind. > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > mentioned > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara > Iti > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > is > > > just > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > Agni > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > forms > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > Vardandtu > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > both > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > Srishti. > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > of > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > inner > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > very > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > could > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > and > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > interesting > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > concuss > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > questions > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > group. > > > > The > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > puranas/ > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > meanings > > > > of > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > inadequate. > > > > The > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > are > > > > used > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > of > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > happened > > > > > > before. > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > conflict > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > taken > > > > and > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > buddha, > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > disagrees > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > line > > > from > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > who > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > Brahma > > > nor > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > not > > > a > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > various > > > > other > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > manas > > > > (mind); > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > is > > > not > > > > one > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > enemy > > > to > > > > his > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > or > > > Agni > > > > or > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > havirbhiH > > > | > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > control, > > > are > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > Brahman > > > > (R.V > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > that > > > > one > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > is > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > brahman, > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > beheading > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > shira > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > control > > > > of > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > ugraM > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > made > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > given > > > the > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > etc. > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > the > > > > Being > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > of > > > Lord > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > of > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > in > > > > puranas > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > mail. > > > > That > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > injunctions > > > > and > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > OF > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Jyothiji,For eyesight see the 2nd house. 2nd house lord Moon is in 12th house - a dustana. Going by house association, eyesight lord is in the house of loss - so loss of eyesight can be predicted. 2nd lord in dustana indicates eye disease, lack of knowledge, laughing stock before audience, committing mistakes in legal documents and troubles caused by the bad use of words.So everything indicates eye disease/loss of eyesight.Moon is exalted in 12th house and as an exalted planet it should try and do benefic things. So that maybe the reason why it is poor eyesight and not loss of eyesight.For children, see the 5H. 5H lord as well as lord of house of gain Venus is in sustana in the 3rd house indicating gain of children, health and happiness to children when looked at from effect of 5H lord in sustana alone. There is benefic Jupiter aspect as well as malefic Saturn aspect on the 5th house. Malefic influence indicates disease to child while benefic indicates gain of child.Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari, currently she has Jupiter MD. Childbirth around 3 years ago happened in Saturn AD. Looks like Jupiter MD gave benefic influence of child and Saturn AD gave the malefic disease. Further after birth of child, there is Ketu AD and Mercury AD (Mercury is the dustana 12 H lord) and all this combined must have caused harm to the child.I am a learner in astrology and so please forgive any mistakes that I might have made in this readingRegardsKiranjyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, Here are the details of my cousin: DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) Place: Calicut Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three years old seems to be autistic. (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) Regards, Jyothi , "Ash" <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me know, for > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor eyesight, > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell me the > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > Re: To Ashji > > > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , "Ash" <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > chart is the > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > planets placed > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > placed in the > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > house > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > distinguish > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > things. > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet. > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > karak sthan > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > spoilt then > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally > say that > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life > will be > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house > of the > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > quality, I > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > not > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > the same > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such > a person > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be > given by > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > one is > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > answer your > > questions below. > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > 10th is > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of > a person > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > in 9th so > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > house a > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > here such a > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > 9th lord > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th > from > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > more towards > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > now it > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > means that > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger > 12th > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > the antra > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > put in > > less effort. > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > effort and > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get > things > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both > are on > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th > is > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good > > authority. > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO > of a > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > looses status > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > ruled by > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > lord in 12th > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th > house is > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd > lord goes > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to > all > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > (http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > by > > them gets enhanced." > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "Ash" > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > > primary > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > 11th are > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > KAS, 12th > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > > goes in > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > for quality. > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > quality > > of 3rd > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > > in primary > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > > 3rd and > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > say u are > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house > > becomes > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > timing job > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than > 4 > > bindu (it > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > bindus means > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > > so, say if > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > > and 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > > cost of 3 > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > (which is > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > > so they > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > aspects > > will be > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than > 4 > > bindus > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > consider it > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > house with say > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > with -5 on > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > and > > its > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > lord > > in 12th > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > Gopal Goel > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > kiran.rama > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > house > > lords in > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > results. > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > placed in 8th > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > tendencies, > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > livelihood. He > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > > to Virgo > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > tendencies , yet he > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > > in Lagna. > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > signification of the > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > own ,exaltation or > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > impact > > of > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also > > protect > > > the house. > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > are > > placed in > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > > own > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > not > > be good > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > will be in > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > > on the > > > same: > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > > house, Will > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > > period of > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > > to the > > > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > > or during > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > 6th lord in > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > significations > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > cause > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > > things of > > > the house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > > this > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > Sarvam, > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > inherent > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > are > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > potential > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > The > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam Pushpam > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > man > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > Ocean, > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > the > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > Mother > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > Primordial > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > ==> > > > > "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > Poorvam > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > <== > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > the > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > > to > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > > call > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > understand > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > Veda > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > mind. > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara Iti > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > > just > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > forms > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > Vardandtu > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > both > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > of > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > inner > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > could > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > and > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > interesting > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > concuss > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > questions > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > group. > > > The > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > puranas/ > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > meanings > > > of > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > inadequate. > > > The > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > have > > > seen > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > are > > > used > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > happened > > > > > before. > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > Vedangas. > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > conflict > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > taken > > > and > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > buddha, > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > disagrees > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > > from > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > who > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > > nor > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > not > > a > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > > other > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > > (mind); > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > > not > > > one > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > > to > > > his > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > > Agni > > > or > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > havirbhiH > > | > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > > are > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > Brahman > > > (R.V > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > that > > > one > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > brahman, > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > shira > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > Taiitariya > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > control > > > of > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > call > > > it > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > ugraM > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > > Rudra, > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > > the > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > etc. > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > > Being > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > > Lord > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > of > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > > puranas > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > mail. > > > That > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > injunctions > > > and > > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > > Vedavyasa > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas" > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > DAUGHTERS > > > OF > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Jyothiji,Use the True ayanamsa of Chandrahariji.It is 46 minute more than Lahiri Ayanamsa in JHora.I suggets you go through the files given by Sreenadhji. They are the best you can find in the worldregardsKiranjyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for your efforts. Frankly speaking, this ayanamsa thing drives me crazy. There is a list of doyens who have invented their own ayanamsas and claim them to be the true one. People like me, who dont have the knowledge, time, sincerity and above all the quest to find which is the true one, are at a loss. I for myself just check which one gives results closer to real life experience and stick to that. Even that cannot give accurate results consistently. So when each value has only 50% chance of success how can we finalise which is the correct one? Truth can only be ONE irrespective of who finds it. I wonder how different people get different values for the same entity. If we consider the possiblity of humane errors, then anybody can go wrong(though nobody will accept their mistake). May be somebody else will come up with another value. Even then, there is no guarantee that he/she can accurately predict events with consistency. The universe existed the same way before and after the discovery of gravitational force. Same way, our future will evolve and will continue to evolve as a half solved mystery irrespective of any ayanamsa discovery. Sometimes I feel, we are man-handling this divine science. A rose when looked through a microscope displays the ugly collection of cells. Aren't we destroying the beauty of astrology as a divine science by not being able to see the forest for the trees?? True or false, everybody will be having an ayanamsa which they find to be fine wrt their experience. If faith can move mountains, I think having faith in one ayanamsa, be it anybody's, will show near to accurate results. I will not say 100% accurate results because, that will be over estimating the ability of a human being when he is only a minute part of this macrocosm. We cannot anyway customise events to fit an ayanamsa. If there is any mismatch, let it be. Why must we try to perfect ourselves when we are actually not perfect? Aren't we fools to believe that we can solve the mystery that Divine power has interwoven with his creation, when we ourselves know that the mystery cannot be solved even if we try for eons?? Ashji, you might be wondering why all of a sudden I am saying all these to you. I am sorry I couldnt help writing. Please take it as an uncontrollable outflow of my thoughts. Nothing specific to you, actually. It just happened that my thoughts found an outlet on reading your mail, may be the reference to ayanamsa triggered my thoughts. Otherwise it has got no connection with you. Regards, Jyothi , "Ash" <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Thank you for your quick reply and offering the chart of your cousin. > > > > With Krushna's Ayanamsa for this chart I am not getting Moon in 2nd house > but instead I am getting Moon in 1st house. > > > > Mars has 0 points in the 5th house. Mars is lord of 11th and 6th so karak > for conception (as per KAS we check 11th and 5th both for a womans chart for > conception). Both Mars and Rahu are aspecting 8th house as well and overall > points for 5th house are less except for Ju and Mo. You can check in the > snapshot of the points attached. > > > > > > > KAY: > > 22:39:23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyothi, what was your cousins marriage date? If she Married in Saturn antra > then that has low points i.e. 11 for 7th house and 19 for 11th house. > > > > > Saturn > > 2001-Apr-23 > > 2003-Nov-04 > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Tuesday December 18, 2007 1:26 AM > > Re: To Ash > > > > Dear Ash, > > Here are the details of my cousin: > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) > Place: Calicut > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three > years old seems to be autistic. > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , "Ash" <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me > know, for > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor > eyesight, > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell > me the > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "Ash" > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > chart is the > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > planets placed > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > placed in the > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > house > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > distinguish > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > karak sthan > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > spoilt then > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > generally > > say that > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > life > > will be > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > house > > of the > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > an > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > quality, I > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > not > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > the same > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > such > > a person > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > be > > given by > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > one is > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > answer your > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > 10th is > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > of > > a person > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > in 9th so > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > house a > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > here such a > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > 9th lord > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > 12th > > from > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > more towards > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > now it > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > and > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > means that > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > trigger > > 12th > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > the antra > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > put in > > > less effort. > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > effort and > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > get > > things > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > Both > > are on > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > 10th > > is > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > good > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > CEO > > of a > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > looses status > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > ruled by > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > lord in 12th > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > 6th > > house is > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > 3rd > > lord goes > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > to > > all > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > (http://www3. > > > <http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > the > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > this > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > a > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > by > > > them gets enhanced." > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > the > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, "Ash" > > <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > its > > > primary > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > 11th are > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > KAS, 12th > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > that > > > goes in > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > for quality. > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > quality > > > of 3rd > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > i.e. > > > in primary > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > from > > > 3rd and > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > say u are > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > house > > > becomes > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > timing job > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > than > > 4 > > > bindu (it > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > bindus means > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > aspect > > > so, say if > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > 5th > > > and 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > the > > > cost of 3 > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > (which is > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > SAV), > > > so they > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > aspects > > > will be > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > than > > 4 > > > bindus > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > consider it > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > house with say > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > with -5 on > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > and > > > its > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > lord > > > in 12th > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of > > > Gopal Goel > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > kiran.rama > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > house > > > lords in > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > results. > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > placed in 8th > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > tendencies, > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > livelihood. He > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > apply > > > to Virgo > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > fall > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > signification of the > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > impact > > > of > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > also > > > protect > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > are > > > placed in > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > his > > > own > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > health. > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > not > > > be good > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > will be in > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > understanding > > > on the > > > > same: > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > 8th > > > house, Will > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > the > > > period of > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > obstruction > > > to the > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic > > > or during > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > 6th lord in > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > significations > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > cause > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > good > > > things of > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > in > > > this > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > world > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > Sarvam, > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > inherent > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > are > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > our > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > potential > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > The > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam > Pushpam > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > man > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > Ocean, > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > the > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > Mother > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > Primordial > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > Poorvam > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > <== > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > the > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > resort > > > to > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > (or > > > call > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > which > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > the > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > understand > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > Veda > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > mind. > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > mentioned > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara > Iti > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > is > > > just > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > Agni > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > forms > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > Vardandtu > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > both > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > Srishti. > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > of > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > inner > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > very > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > could > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > and > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > interesting > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > concuss > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > questions > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > group. > > > > The > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > puranas/ > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > meanings > > > > of > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > inadequate. > > > > The > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > are > > > > used > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > of > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > happened > > > > > > before. > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > conflict > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > taken > > > > and > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > buddha, > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > disagrees > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > line > > > from > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > who > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > Brahma > > > nor > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > not > > > a > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > various > > > > other > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > manas > > > > (mind); > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > is > > > not > > > > one > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > enemy > > > to > > > > his > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > or > > > Agni > > > > or > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > havirbhiH > > > | > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > control, > > > are > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > Brahman > > > > (R.V > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > that > > > > one > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > is > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > brahman, > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > beheading > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > shira > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > control > > > > of > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > ugraM > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > made > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > given > > > the > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > etc. > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > the > > > > Being > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > of > > > Lord > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > of > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > in > > > > puranas > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > mail. > > > > That > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > injunctions > > > > and > > > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas" > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > OF > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Jyothi, Not to worry one bit and I do not think why u are telling all this now lol…. Actually yes one thing I will say though, that KAS is a full system and this Ayanamsa and the exact date of 24th Feb 366 AD was given as a per of KAS system. It is not an invention nor some new thing. This is the value that has always been used as per KAS and not some creation based on analysis. This value was used for centuries. This reminded me of some old discussion that was held on Ben Collins list some years back. Someone said that D60 as taught was used for Past life, and I think KN Rao asked, please tell me where and in any single book is such a thing given. The answer was that it was given no where and it was as per the tradition or parampara. So now if u go to find the base then u will hit a brick wall. That’s when u have to have faith and then work on your own with proper concrete principles to see if something works. I have stopped arguing about ayanamsa a while back. Anyone can choose whatever they feel comfortable with. However, when I am using KAS, I use Krushna’s ayanamsa. For checking any ayanamsa, one can cast their worksheet using any ayanamsa. The points will be constant which means that the base and rules to check any chart become fixed so dasha’s can be checked. Planets with more than 12 points will be good and less power planet dasha’s should be more challenging. As simple as that. In the case you gave, Moon is not in 12th house but in 1st house. What caused me to ask u that question on the position of Jupiter? With Moon now being 12th lord in 1st house i.e. in 12th from 12th even the law which was the first question you asked became highlighted. Now, to believe it or not is upto a person. If you cast this chart using KAS program, u will get this chart. I used whatever little bit of knowledge I had to make an attempt. Rest is upto u and also faith. About the vexed ayanamsa issue, my opinion is that until and unless the rules of studying a chart are fixed and by that what I mean is that let us assume in a chart Venus is in 8th house, then someone might analyse it as bad being in dushtana, someone might say that it might be good as its in 6th from AL, someone might see that its in some particular placed in D60 so that makes it good, so if u study it like this then its no use. We must have some concrete rules, and then those can be applied to charts casted by different ayanamsa to get concrete answers. Otherwise like it has happened for many centuries, people will still try to argue as to the start some will say its moola, some will say its chitra some will say its revathi and each one will have their own reasons. KAS is giving u fixed rules, the points will be fixed when u cast the chart, 2 people studying the chart will have the same foundation, will have the same d charts and the power there in. Then based on that u can study because if a planet changes sign its entire powers will change as the SAV will change. SAV is given by our maharishis so that is agreed and accepted by all schools of thought. In any case, not to worry, and I do remember many years back 8-10 years back there used to be good discussion on VA list and u used to take good part, however now things are different. In my analysis of the chart u gave, I have also given you the points. Those are to be interpreted. 2 differnet astrologers using KAS will get the same base to work with ie. The power of planet in Rasi and all 16 D charts. The difference might arise in “interpreting” what those points mean. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Tuesday December 18, 2007 11:52 AM To: Subject: Re: To Ash Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for your efforts. Frankly speaking, this ayanamsa thing drives me crazy. There is a list of doyens who have invented their own ayanamsas and claim them to be the true one. People like me, who dont have the knowledge, time, sincerity and above all the quest to find which is the true one, are at a loss. I for myself just check which one gives results closer to real life experience and stick to that. Even that cannot give accurate results consistently. So when each value has only 50% chance of success how can we finalise which is the correct one? Truth can only be ONE irrespective of who finds it. I wonder how different people get different values for the same entity. If we consider the possiblity of humane errors, then anybody can go wrong(though nobody will accept their mistake). May be somebody else will come up with another value. Even then, there is no guarantee that he/she can accurately predict events with consistency. The universe existed the same way before and after the discovery of gravitational force. Same way, our future will evolve and will continue to evolve as a half solved mystery irrespective of any ayanamsa discovery. Sometimes I feel, we are man-handling this divine science. A rose when looked through a microscope displays the ugly collection of cells. Aren't we destroying the beauty of astrology as a divine science by not being able to see the forest for the trees?? True or false, everybody will be having an ayanamsa which they find to be fine wrt their experience. If faith can move mountains, I think having faith in one ayanamsa, be it anybody's, will show near to accurate results. I will not say 100% accurate results because, that will be over estimating the ability of a human being when he is only a minute part of this macrocosm. We cannot anyway customise events to fit an ayanamsa. If there is any mismatch, let it be. Why must we try to perfect ourselves when we are actually not perfect? Aren't we fools to believe that we can solve the mystery that Divine power has interwoven with his creation, when we ourselves know that the mystery cannot be solved even if we try for eons?? Ashji, you might be wondering why all of a sudden I am saying all these to you. I am sorry I couldnt help writing. Please take it as an uncontrollable outflow of my thoughts. Nothing specific to you, actually. It just happened that my thoughts found an outlet on reading your mail, may be the reference to ayanamsa triggered my thoughts. Otherwise it has got no connection with you. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Thank you for your quick reply and offering the chart of your cousin. > > > > With Krushna's Ayanamsa for this chart I am not getting Moon in 2nd house > but instead I am getting Moon in 1st house. > > > > Mars has 0 points in the 5th house. Mars is lord of 11th and 6th so karak > for conception (as per KAS we check 11th and 5th both for a womans chart for > conception). Both Mars and Rahu are aspecting 8th house as well and overall > points for 5th house are less except for Ju and Mo. You can check in the > snapshot of the points attached. > > > > > > > KAY: > > 22:39:23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyothi, what was your cousins marriage date? If she Married in Saturn antra > then that has low points i.e. 11 for 7th house and 19 for 11th house. > > > > > Saturn > > 2001-Apr-23 > > 2003-Nov-04 > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Tuesday December 18, 2007 1:26 AM > > Re: To Ash > > > > Dear Ash, > > Here are the details of my cousin: > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) > Place: Calicut > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three > years old seems to be autistic. > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me > know, for > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor > eyesight, > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell > me the > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > chart is the > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > planets placed > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > placed in the > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > house > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > distinguish > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > karak sthan > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > spoilt then > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > generally > > say that > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > life > > will be > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > house > > of the > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > an > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > quality, I > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > not > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > the same > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > such > > a person > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > be > > given by > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > one is > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > answer your > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > 10th is > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > of > > a person > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > in 9th so > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > house a > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > here such a > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > 9th lord > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > 12th > > from > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > more towards > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > now it > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > and > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > means that > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > trigger > > 12th > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > the antra > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > put in > > > less effort. > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > effort and > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > get > > things > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > Both > > are on > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > 10th > > is > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > good > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > CEO > > of a > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > looses status > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > ruled by > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > lord in 12th > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > 6th > > house is > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > 3rd > > lord goes > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > to > > all > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > (http://www3. > > > <http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > the > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > this > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > a > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > by > > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > the > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " Ash " > > <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > its > > > primary > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > 11th are > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > KAS, 12th > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > that > > > goes in > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > for quality. > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > quality > > > of 3rd > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > i.e. > > > in primary > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > from > > > 3rd and > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > say u are > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > house > > > becomes > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > timing job > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > than > > 4 > > > bindu (it > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > bindus means > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > aspect > > > so, say if > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > 5th > > > and 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > the > > > cost of 3 > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > (which is > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > SAV), > > > so they > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > aspects > > > will be > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > than > > 4 > > > bindus > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > consider it > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > house with say > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > with -5 on > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > and > > > its > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > lord > > > in 12th > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of > > > Gopal Goel > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > kiran.rama > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > house > > > lords in > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > results. > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > placed in 8th > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > tendencies, > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > livelihood. He > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > apply > > > to Virgo > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > fall > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > signification of the > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > impact > > > of > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > also > > > protect > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > are > > > placed in > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > his > > > own > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > health. > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > not > > > be good > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > will be in > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > understanding > > > on the > > > > same: > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > 8th > > > house, Will > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > the > > > period of > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > obstruction > > > to the > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic > > > or during > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > 6th lord in > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > significations > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > cause > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > good > > > things of > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > in > > > this > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > world > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > Sarvam, > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > inherent > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > are > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > our > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > potential > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > The > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam > Pushpam > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > man > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > Ocean, > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > the > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > Mother > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > Primordial > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > Poorvam > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > <== > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > the > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > resort > > > to > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > (or > > > call > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > which > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > the > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > understand > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > Veda > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > mind. > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > mentioned > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara > Iti > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > is > > > just > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > Agni > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > forms > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > Vardandtu > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > both > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > Srishti. > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > of > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > inner > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > very > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > could > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > and > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > interesting > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > concuss > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > questions > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > group. > > > > The > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > puranas/ > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > meanings > > > > of > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > inadequate. > > > > The > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > are > > > > used > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > of > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > happened > > > > > > before. > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > conflict > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > taken > > > > and > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > buddha, > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > disagrees > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > line > > > from > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > who > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > Brahma > > > nor > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > not > > > a > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > various > > > > other > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > manas > > > > (mind); > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > is > > > not > > > > one > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > enemy > > > to > > > > his > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > or > > > Agni > > > > or > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > havirbhiH > > > | > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > control, > > > are > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > Brahman > > > > (R.V > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > that > > > > one > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > is > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > brahman, > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > beheading > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > shira > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > control > > > > of > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > ugraM > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > made > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > given > > > the > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > etc. > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > the > > > > Being > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > of > > > Lord > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > of > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > in > > > > puranas > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > mail. > > > > That > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > injunctions > > > > and > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > OF > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > > > > existence. > > > > > > Be > > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute > > reality > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > > > Christianity. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in > history > > > or > > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " > > is > > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > > > their " ism " > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any > specific > > > > sect. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in > > this > > > > world > > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > > > Avila, > > > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Jyothi, If the rules to interpret a chart and the data to work on is agreed by all, then ayanamsa can be checked. If the rules are not fixed, how can one check ayanamsa? This is common sense eh. So those people who want to test the effacy of their ayanamsa, should also give the set of rules that are fixed and can be tested on each and every chart. Otherwise if that is not fixed, there can be no test of ayanamsa. So then what does one do? They can only have faith in their teacher and their own hard work to find the rules that work consistently in all charts and after spending years, decades (because the texts are not complete that are available) then u can use those laws that u find working consistently in all charts, to test the ayanamsa. I think it is as simple as that. KAS gives u fixed set of rules, rest is upto those who want to test their ayanamsa. The points will be fixed so say someone working with BV Ramans ayanamsa, and someone say working with Lahiri can both cast the chart, using the KAS, both of them will get a worksheet which will have power of planets based on fixed set of rules. Then they can test the dashas which also has fixed set of rules. Even the D charts casted will have fixed power for each house. The system is out there should someone or anyone want to check the ayanamsa. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Tuesday December 18, 2007 11:52 AM To: Subject: Re: To Ash Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for your efforts. Frankly speaking, this ayanamsa thing drives me crazy. There is a list of doyens who have invented their own ayanamsas and claim them to be the true one. People like me, who dont have the knowledge, time, sincerity and above all the quest to find which is the true one, are at a loss. I for myself just check which one gives results closer to real life experience and stick to that. Even that cannot give accurate results consistently. So when each value has only 50% chance of success how can we finalise which is the correct one? Truth can only be ONE irrespective of who finds it. I wonder how different people get different values for the same entity. If we consider the possiblity of humane errors, then anybody can go wrong(though nobody will accept their mistake). May be somebody else will come up with another value. Even then, there is no guarantee that he/she can accurately predict events with consistency. The universe existed the same way before and after the discovery of gravitational force. Same way, our future will evolve and will continue to evolve as a half solved mystery irrespective of any ayanamsa discovery. Sometimes I feel, we are man-handling this divine science. A rose when looked through a microscope displays the ugly collection of cells. Aren't we destroying the beauty of astrology as a divine science by not being able to see the forest for the trees?? True or false, everybody will be having an ayanamsa which they find to be fine wrt their experience. If faith can move mountains, I think having faith in one ayanamsa, be it anybody's, will show near to accurate results. I will not say 100% accurate results because, that will be over estimating the ability of a human being when he is only a minute part of this macrocosm. We cannot anyway customise events to fit an ayanamsa. If there is any mismatch, let it be. Why must we try to perfect ourselves when we are actually not perfect? Aren't we fools to believe that we can solve the mystery that Divine power has interwoven with his creation, when we ourselves know that the mystery cannot be solved even if we try for eons?? Ashji, you might be wondering why all of a sudden I am saying all these to you. I am sorry I couldnt help writing. Please take it as an uncontrollable outflow of my thoughts. Nothing specific to you, actually. It just happened that my thoughts found an outlet on reading your mail, may be the reference to ayanamsa triggered my thoughts. Otherwise it has got no connection with you. Regards, Jyothi , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Thank you for your quick reply and offering the chart of your cousin. > > > > With Krushna's Ayanamsa for this chart I am not getting Moon in 2nd house > but instead I am getting Moon in 1st house. > > > > Mars has 0 points in the 5th house. Mars is lord of 11th and 6th so karak > for conception (as per KAS we check 11th and 5th both for a womans chart for > conception). Both Mars and Rahu are aspecting 8th house as well and overall > points for 5th house are less except for Ju and Mo. You can check in the > snapshot of the points attached. > > > > > > > KAY: > > 22:39:23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyothi, what was your cousins marriage date? If she Married in Saturn antra > then that has low points i.e. 11 for 7th house and 19 for 11th house. > > > > > Saturn > > 2001-Apr-23 > > 2003-Nov-04 > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi > Tuesday December 18, 2007 1:26 AM > > Re: To Ash > > > > Dear Ash, > > Here are the details of my cousin: > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) > Place: Calicut > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three > years old seems to be autistic. > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me > know, for > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor > eyesight, > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell > me the > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > chart is the > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > planets placed > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > placed in the > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > house > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > distinguish > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > karak sthan > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > spoilt then > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > generally > > say that > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > life > > will be > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > house > > of the > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > an > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > quality, I > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > not > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > the same > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > such > > a person > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > be > > given by > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > one is > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > answer your > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > 10th is > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > of > > a person > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > in 9th so > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > house a > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > here such a > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > 9th lord > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > 12th > > from > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > more towards > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > now it > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > and > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > means that > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > trigger > > 12th > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > the antra > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > put in > > > less effort. > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > effort and > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > get > > things > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > Both > > are on > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > 10th > > is > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > good > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > CEO > > of a > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > looses status > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > ruled by > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > lord in 12th > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > 6th > > house is > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > 3rd > > lord goes > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > to > > all > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > (http://www3. > > > <http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > the > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > this > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > a > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > by > > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > the > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " Ash " > > <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > its > > > primary > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > 11th are > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > KAS, 12th > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > that > > > goes in > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > for quality. > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > quality > > > of 3rd > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > i.e. > > > in primary > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > from > > > 3rd and > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > say u are > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > house > > > becomes > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > timing job > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > than > > 4 > > > bindu (it > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > bindus means > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > aspect > > > so, say if > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > 5th > > > and 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > the > > > cost of 3 > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > (which is > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > SAV), > > > so they > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > aspects > > > will be > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > than > > 4 > > > bindus > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > consider it > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > house with say > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > with -5 on > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > and > > > its > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > lord > > > in 12th > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of > > > Gopal Goel > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > kiran.rama > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > house > > > lords in > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > results. > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > placed in 8th > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > tendencies, > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > livelihood. He > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > apply > > > to Virgo > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > fall > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > signification of the > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > impact > > > of > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > also > > > protect > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > are > > > placed in > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > his > > > own > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > health. > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > not > > > be good > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > will be in > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > understanding > > > on the > > > > same: > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > 8th > > > house, Will > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > the > > > period of > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > obstruction > > > to the > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic > > > or during > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > 6th lord in > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > significations > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > cause > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > good > > > things of > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > in > > > this > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > world > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > Sarvam, > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > inherent > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > are > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > our > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > potential > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > The > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam > Pushpam > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > man > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > Ocean, > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > the > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > Mother > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > Primordial > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > Poorvam > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > <== > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > the > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > resort > > > to > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > (or > > > call > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > which > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > the > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > understand > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > Veda > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > mind. > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > mentioned > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara > Iti > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > is > > > just > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > Agni > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > forms > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > Vardandtu > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > both > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > Srishti. > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > of > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > inner > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > very > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > could > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > and > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > interesting > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > concuss > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > questions > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > group. > > > > The > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > puranas/ > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > meanings > > > > of > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > inadequate. > > > > The > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > are > > > > used > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > of > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > happened > > > > > > before. > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > conflict > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > taken > > > > and > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > buddha, > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > disagrees > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > line > > > from > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > who > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > Brahma > > > nor > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > not > > > a > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > various > > > > other > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > manas > > > > (mind); > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > is > > > not > > > > one > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > enemy > > > to > > > > his > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > or > > > Agni > > > > or > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > havirbhiH > > > | > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > control, > > > are > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > Brahman > > > > (R.V > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > that > > > > one > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > is > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > brahman, > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > beheading > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > shira > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > control > > > > of > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > ugraM > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > made > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > given > > > the > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > etc. > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > the > > > > Being > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > of > > > Lord > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > of > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > in > > > > puranas > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > mail. > > > > That > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > injunctions > > > > and > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > OF > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > > > > existence. > > > > > > Be > > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute > > reality > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > > > Christianity. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in > history > > > or > > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " > > is > > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > > > their " ism " > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any > specific > > > > sect. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in > > this > > > > world > > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > > > Avila, > > > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 I have 2nd house lord, moon, in the 12th house and I have perfect eye sight till date.. Regards , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Kiran, > > > > In every chart if 2nd lord is in 12th the does the person have weak > eyesight, eye disease ? > > Are there any exceptions if so please list them so that we can study this > from all angles. > > > > Otherwise there will be another chart with 2nd lord in 12th and the person > has perfectly good eyesight. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Kiran R > Tuesday December 18, 2007 11:57 AM > > Re: Re: To Ash > > > > Dear Jyothiji, > > For eyesight see the 2nd house. 2nd house lord Moon is in 12th house - a > dustana. > Going by house association, eyesight lord is in the house of loss - so loss > of eyesight can be predicted. 2nd lord in dustana indicates eye disease, > lack of knowledge, laughing stock before audience, committing mistakes in > legal documents and troubles caused by the bad use of words. > So everything indicates eye disease/loss of eyesight. > > Moon is exalted in 12th house and as an exalted planet it should try and do > benefic things. So that maybe the reason why it is poor eyesight and not > loss of eyesight. > > For children, see the 5H. 5H lord as well as lord of house of gain Venus is > in sustana in the 3rd house indicating gain of children, health and > happiness to children when looked at from effect of 5H lord in sustana > alone. There is benefic Jupiter aspect as well as malefic Saturn aspect on > the 5th house. Malefic influence indicates disease to child while benefic > indicates gain of child. > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari, currently she has Jupiter MD. Childbirth > around 3 years ago happened in Saturn AD. Looks like Jupiter MD gave benefic > influence of child and Saturn AD gave the malefic disease. Further after > birth of child, there is Ketu AD and Mercury AD (Mercury is the dustana 12 H > lord) and all this combined must have caused harm to the child. > > I am a learner in astrology and so please forgive any mistakes that I might > have made in this reading > > Regards > Kiran > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Here are the details of my cousin: > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) > Place: Calicut > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three > years old seems to be autistic. > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) > > Regards, > Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me > know, for > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor > eyesight, > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell > me the > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ash " > <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > chart is the > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > planets placed > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > placed in the > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > house > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > distinguish > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > karak sthan > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > spoilt then > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > generally > > say that > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > life > > will be > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > house > > of the > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > an > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > quality, I > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > not > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > the same > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > such > > a person > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > be > > given by > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > one is > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > answer your > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > 10th is > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > of > > a person > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > in 9th so > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > house a > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > here such a > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > 9th lord > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > 12th > > from > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > more towards > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > now it > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > and > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > means that > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > trigger > > 12th > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > the antra > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > put in > > > less effort. > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > effort and > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > get > > things > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > Both > > are on > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > 10th > > is > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > good > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > CEO > > of a > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > looses status > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > ruled by > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > lord in 12th > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > 6th > > house is > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > 3rd > > lord goes > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > to > > all > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > (http://www3. > > > <http://www3. > > <http://www3. > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > the > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > this > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > a > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > by > > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > the > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " Ash " > > <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > its > > > primary > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > 11th are > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > KAS, 12th > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > that > > > goes in > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > for quality. > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > quality > > > of 3rd > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > i.e. > > > in primary > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > from > > > 3rd and > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > say u are > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > house > > > becomes > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > timing job > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > than > > 4 > > > bindu (it > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > bindus means > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > aspect > > > so, say if > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > 5th > > > and 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > the > > > cost of 3 > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > (which is > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > SAV), > > > so they > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > aspects > > > will be > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > than > > 4 > > > bindus > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > consider it > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > house with say > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > with -5 on > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > and > > > its > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > lord > > > in 12th > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of > > > Gopal Goel > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > kiran.rama > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > house > > > lords in > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > results. > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > placed in 8th > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > tendencies, > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > livelihood. He > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > apply > > > to Virgo > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > fall > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > signification of the > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > impact > > > of > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > also > > > protect > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > are > > > placed in > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > his > > > own > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > health. > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > not > > > be good > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > will be in > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > understanding > > > on the > > > > same: > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > 8th > > > house, Will > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > the > > > period of > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > obstruction > > > to the > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic > > > or during > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > 6th lord in > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > significations > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > cause > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > good > > > things of > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > in > > > this > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > world > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > Sarvam, > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > inherent > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > are > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > our > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > potential > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > The > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam > Pushpam > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > man > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > Ocean, > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > the > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > Mother > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > Primordial > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > Poorvam > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > <== > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > the > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > resort > > > to > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > (or > > > call > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > which > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > the > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > understand > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > Veda > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > mind. > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > mentioned > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara > Iti > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > is > > > just > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > Agni > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > forms > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > Vardandtu > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > both > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > Srishti. > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > of > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > inner > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > very > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > could > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > and > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > interesting > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > concuss > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > questions > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > group. > > > > The > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > puranas/ > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > meanings > > > > of > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > inadequate. > > > > The > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > are > > > > used > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > of > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > happened > > > > > > before. > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > conflict > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > taken > > > > and > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > buddha, > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > disagrees > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > line > > > from > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > who > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > Brahma > > > nor > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > not > > > a > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > various > > > > other > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > manas > > > > (mind); > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > is > > > not > > > > one > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > enemy > > > to > > > > his > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > or > > > Agni > > > > or > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > havirbhiH > > > | > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > control, > > > are > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > Brahman > > > > (R.V > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > that > > > > one > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > is > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > brahman, > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > beheading > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > shira > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > control > > > > of > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > ugraM > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > made > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > given > > > the > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > etc. > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > the > > > > Being > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > of > > > Lord > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > of > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > in > > > > puranas > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > mail. > > > > That > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > injunctions > > > > and > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > OF > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 hare rama krishna , dear sarayu ji 2nd and 12th house if afflicted or sun ,moon ( as 2 eyes luminouries ) afflicted or venus afflicted ( as jala tatwa ) can make one having eye problems . if all afflicted may be blind from birth also . regrds sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "sarayuid" <sarayuid wrote:>> I have 2nd house lord, moon, in the 12th house and I have perfect eye sight till date..> > > Regards> , "Ash" kas@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran,> > > > > > > > In every chart if 2nd lord is in 12th the does the person have weak> > eyesight, eye disease ?> > > > Are there any exceptions if so please list them so that we can study this> > from all angles.> > > > > > > > Otherwise there will be another chart with 2nd lord in 12th and the person> > has perfectly good eyesight.> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kiran R> > Tuesday December 18, 2007 11:57 AM> > > > Re: Re: To Ash> > > > > > > > Dear Jyothiji,> > > > For eyesight see the 2nd house. 2nd house lord Moon is in 12th house - a> > dustana. > > Going by house association, eyesight lord is in the house of loss - so loss> > of eyesight can be predicted. 2nd lord in dustana indicates eye disease,> > lack of knowledge, laughing stock before audience, committing mistakes in> > legal documents and troubles caused by the bad use of words.> > So everything indicates eye disease/loss of eyesight.> > > > Moon is exalted in 12th house and as an exalted planet it should try and do> > benefic things. So that maybe the reason why it is poor eyesight and not> > loss of eyesight.> > > > For children, see the 5H. 5H lord as well as lord of house of gain Venus is> > in sustana in the 3rd house indicating gain of children, health and> > happiness to children when looked at from effect of 5H lord in sustana> > alone. There is benefic Jupiter aspect as well as malefic Saturn aspect on> > the 5th house. Malefic influence indicates disease to child while benefic> > indicates gain of child.> > > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari, currently she has Jupiter MD. Childbirth> > around 3 years ago happened in Saturn AD. Looks like Jupiter MD gave benefic> > influence of child and Saturn AD gave the malefic disease. Further after> > birth of child, there is Ketu AD and Mercury AD (Mercury is the dustana 12 H> > lord) and all this combined must have caused harm to the child.> > > > I am a learner in astrology and so please forgive any mistakes that I might> > have made in this reading> > > > Regards> > Kiran> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ wrote:> > > > Dear Ash,> > > > Here are the details of my cousin:> > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977> > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format)> > Place: Calicut> > > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three > > years old seems to be autistic.> > > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted)> > > > Regards,> > Jyothi> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology , "Ash" <kas@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > > > > > > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me > > know, for> > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor > > eyesight,> > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell > > me the> > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro.> > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology ] On Behalf Of> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi> > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM> > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology > > > Re: To Ashji> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > > known > > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > > is > > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > > it > > > only the 12th house?> > > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > > can > > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > > not > > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > > here; > > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > > unless other wise forced by situation.)> > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > > exalted > > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > > least > > > that is what I have seen. > > > > > > Regards,> > > Jyothi> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > 40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "Ash"> > <kas@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > > chart is the> > > > 12th house which is fixed.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > > planets placed> > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > > placed in the> > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > > house> > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > > distinguish> > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > > things.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > > planet.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > > karak sthan> > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > > spoilt then> > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > > generally > > > say that> > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > > life > > > will be> > > > spoilt).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > > house > > > of the> > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > > an> > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > > quality, I> > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > > not> > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > > the same> > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > > such > > > a person> > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > > be > > > given by> > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > > one is> > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > > answer your> > > > questions below.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > > 10th is> > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > > of > > > a person> > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > > in 9th so> > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > > house a> > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > > here such a> > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > > 9th lord> > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > > 12th > > > from> > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > > more towards> > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.> > > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > > now it> > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > > and> > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > > means that> > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > > trigger > > > 12th> > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > > the antra> > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > > put in> > > > less effort. > > > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > > effort and> > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > > get > > > things> > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > > Both > > > are on> > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > > 10th > > > is> > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > > good> > > > authority.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > > CEO > > > of a> > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good> > > > authority but there is a difference :-).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > > looses status> > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > > ruled by> > > > that planet is enhanced.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > > lord in 12th> > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > > 6th > > > house is> > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > > 3rd > > > lord goes> > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > > to > > > all> > > > houses.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca>> > ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro.> > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > 40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > [ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf> > Of> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi> > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM> > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > 40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > Re: To Ashji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji,> > > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > > what I understood from one of the articles.> > > > (http://www3.> > > > <http://www3.> > > <http://www3.> > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>> > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)> > > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > > the > > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > > this > > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > > a > > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.> > > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > > by > > > > them gets enhanced."> > > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > > the > > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?> > > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > 40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > > ps.com, "Ash"> > > <kas@> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > > its > > > > primary> > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > > 11th are> > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > > enhanced.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > > KAS, 12th> > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > > that > > > > goes in> > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > > for quality.> > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > > quality > > > > of 3rd> > > > > house is enhanced.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > > i.e. > > > > in primary> > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > > from > > > > 3rd and> > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > > heap.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > > say u are> > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > > house > > > > becomes> > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > > timing job> > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > > than > > > 4 > > > > bindu (it> > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > > bindus means> > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > > aspect > > > > so, say if> > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > > 5th > > > > and 9th> > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > > the > > > > cost of 3> > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > > (which is> > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > > SAV), > > > > so they> > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > > aspects > > > > will be> > > > > beneficial on 3 other house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > > than > > > 4 > > > > bindus> > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > > consider it> > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > > house with say> > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > > with -5 on> > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > > and > > > > its> > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > > lord > > > > in 12th> > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>> > > ca> ca> > > > http://www.ashtro.> > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca>> > ca> > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > 40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > > On Behalf> > > Of > > > > Gopal Goel> > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > 40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com;> > > kiran.rama> > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji,> > > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :> > > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > > house > > > > lords in> > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.> > > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > > results.> > > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > > placed in 8th> > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > > tendencies,> > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > > livelihood. He> > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > > apply > > > > to Virgo> > > > > and PISCES ascendants.> > > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > > tendencies , yet he> > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > > fall > > > > in Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.> > > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > > signification of the> > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > > own ,exaltation or> > > > > friendly signs.> > > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > > impact > > > > of> > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > > also > > > > protect> > > > > the house.> > > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.> > > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > > are > > > > placed in> > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.> > > > > > > > > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > > his > > > > own> > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > > health.> > > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > > not > > > > be good> > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > > will be in> > > > > habit to blame others.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > > > > Ph: 09350311433> > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076> > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > 40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM> > > > > To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > > understanding > > > > on the> > > > > same:> > > > > Please help me in doing so:> > > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > > 8th > > > > house, Will> > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > > the > > > > period of> > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?> > > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > > obstruction > > > > to the> > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > > malefic > > > > or during> > > > > periods of the house lord also?> > > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > > 6th lord in> > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > > significations> > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > > cause> > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?> > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > > good > > > > things of> > > > > the house?> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,> > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > 40>> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > > in > > > > this > > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > > world > > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > > Sarvam, > > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > > inherent > > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > > are > > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > > our > > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > > potential > > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > > The > > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam > > Pushpam > > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for> > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > > man > > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > > Ocean, > > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > > the > > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > > Mother > > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > > Primordial > > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,> > > > > > ==>> > > > > > "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > > Poorvam > > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > > the > > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > > resort > > > > to > > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > > (or > > > > call > > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > > which > > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > > the > > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > 40>> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > > understand > > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > > Veda > > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > > mind. > > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > > mentioned > > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara > > Iti > > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > > is > > > > just > > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > > Agni > > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > > forms > > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > > Vardandtu > > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > > both > > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > > Srishti. > > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > > of > > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > > inner > > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > > very > > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > > could > > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > > and > > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > > interesting > > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > > concuss > > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > > questions > > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > > group. > > > > > The > > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > > puranas/ > > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > > meanings > > > > > of > > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > > inadequate. > > > > > The > > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > > have > > > > > seen > > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > > are > > > > > used > > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > > of > > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > > happened > > > > > > > before.> > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > > conflict > > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > > taken > > > > > and > > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > > buddha, > > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > > disagrees > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > > line > > > > from > > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there:> > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > > who > > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > > Brahma > > > > nor > > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > > not > > > > a > > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > > various > > > > > other > > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > > manas > > > > > (mind); > > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > > is > > > > not > > > > > one > > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > > enemy > > > > to > > > > > his > > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > > or > > > > Agni > > > > > or > > > > > > > Pushan, are> > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > > havirbhiH > > > > | > > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > > t.h ||> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> > > > > > > from Vishnu.> > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > > control, > > > > are > > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > > Brahman > > > > > (R.V > > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > > that > > > > > one > > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > > is > > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > > brahman, > > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > > beheading> > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > > shira > > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > > Taiitariya> > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > > control > > > > > of > > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > > call > > > > > it > > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > > ugraM > > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > > made > > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > > given > > > > the > > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for> > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > > etc. > > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > > the > > > > > Being > > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > > of > > > > Lord > > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > > of > > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > > in > > > > > puranas > > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > > mail. > > > > > That > > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > > injunctions > > > > > and > > > > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and > > Saraswati.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > sriram nayak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > > .> > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > > SARASWATIJI> > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > > OF > > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS> > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > > .> > > > > com> > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > > illusion> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its > > > > > existence. > > > > > > > Be > > > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute > > > reality > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > > > > Christianity. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in > > history > > > > or > > > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > > > > their "ism" > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any > > specific > > > > > sect. > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in > > > this > > > > > world > > > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > > > > Avila, > > > > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Sri Sunilji, Pardon my lack of knowledge in astrology....for now Iam still an admirer and not knowledgeable in the nuances of astrology. I do not have any idea whether moon in my horoscope is afflicted or not...but I can tell you that moon along with ketu is in the 12th house and venus and sun along with mercury and rahu are in the sixth. But I have no health complaints whatsoever until now.... Regards , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > hare rama krishna , > > dear sarayu ji > > > > 2nd and 12th house if afflicted or sun ,moon ( as 2 eyes luminouries > ) afflicted or venus afflicted ( as jala tatwa ) can make one having eye > problems . > > if all afflicted may be blind from birth also . > > > > regrds sunil nair . > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , " sarayuid " > <sarayuid@> wrote: > > > > I have 2nd house lord, moon, in the 12th house and I have perfect eye > sight till date.. > > > > > > Regards > > , " Ash " kas@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kiran, > > > > > > > > > > > > In every chart if 2nd lord is in 12th the does the person have weak > > > eyesight, eye disease ? > > > > > > Are there any exceptions if so please list them so that we can study > this > > > from all angles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise there will be another chart with 2nd lord in 12th and the > person > > > has perfectly good eyesight. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kiran > R > > > Tuesday December 18, 2007 11:57 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: To Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothiji, > > > > > > For eyesight see the 2nd house. 2nd house lord Moon is in 12th house > - a > > > dustana. > > > Going by house association, eyesight lord is in the house of loss - > so loss > > > of eyesight can be predicted. 2nd lord in dustana indicates eye > disease, > > > lack of knowledge, laughing stock before audience, committing > mistakes in > > > legal documents and troubles caused by the bad use of words. > > > So everything indicates eye disease/loss of eyesight. > > > > > > Moon is exalted in 12th house and as an exalted planet it should try > and do > > > benefic things. So that maybe the reason why it is poor eyesight and > not > > > loss of eyesight. > > > > > > For children, see the 5H. 5H lord as well as lord of house of gain > Venus is > > > in sustana in the 3rd house indicating gain of children, health and > > > happiness to children when looked at from effect of 5H lord in > sustana > > > alone. There is benefic Jupiter aspect as well as malefic Saturn > aspect on > > > the 5th house. Malefic influence indicates disease to child while > benefic > > > indicates gain of child. > > > > > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari, currently she has Jupiter MD. > Childbirth > > > around 3 years ago happened in Saturn AD. Looks like Jupiter MD gave > benefic > > > influence of child and Saturn AD gave the malefic disease. Further > after > > > birth of child, there is Ketu AD and Mercury AD (Mercury is the > dustana 12 H > > > lord) and all this combined must have caused harm to the child. > > > > > > I am a learner in astrology and so please forgive any mistakes that > I might > > > have made in this reading > > > > > > Regards > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Here are the details of my cousin: > > > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 > > > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) > > > Place: Calicut > > > > > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three > > > years old seems to be autistic. > > > > > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me > > > know, for > > > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor > > > eyesight, > > > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell > > > me the > > > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology > > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > > > known > > > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > > > is > > > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > > > it > > > > only the 12th house? > > > > > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them > one > > > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > > > can > > > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > > > not > > > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > > > here; > > > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > > > exalted > > > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I > am > > > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned > by > > > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > > > least > > > > that is what I have seen. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " Ash " > > > <kas@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > > > chart is the > > > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > > > planets placed > > > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > > > placed in the > > > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > > > house > > > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > > > distinguish > > > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > > > karak sthan > > > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > > > spoilt then > > > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > > > generally > > > > say that > > > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > > > life > > > > will be > > > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > > > house > > > > of the > > > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > > > an > > > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > > > quality, I > > > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) > is > > > > not > > > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > > > the same > > > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > > > such > > > > a person > > > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > > > be > > > > given by > > > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > > > one is > > > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an > analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > > > answer your > > > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > > > 10th is > > > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > > > of > > > > a person > > > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord > is > > > > in 9th so > > > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in > 9th > > > > house a > > > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > > > here such a > > > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > > > 9th lord > > > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > > > 12th > > > > from > > > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > > > more towards > > > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > > > now it > > > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > > > and > > > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > > > means that > > > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > > > trigger > > > > 12th > > > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > > > the antra > > > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have > to > > > > put in > > > > > less effort. > > > > > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > > > effort and > > > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > > > get > > > > things > > > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > > > Both > > > > are on > > > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > > > 10th > > > > is > > > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > > > good > > > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > > > CEO > > > > of a > > > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have > good > > > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > > > looses status > > > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the > results > > > > ruled by > > > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > > > lord in 12th > > > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > > > 6th > > > > house is > > > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > > > 3rd > > > > lord goes > > > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > > > to > > > > all > > > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > ca> ca> > > > http://www.ashtro. > > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On Behalf > > > Of > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This > is > > > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > > > (http://www3. > > > > > <http://www3. > > > > <http://www3. > > > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > > > the > > > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in > the > > > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt > (because > > > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how > you > > > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > > > this > > > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which > is > > > a > > > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house > ruled > > > > by > > > > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > > > the > > > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > > 40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > > > ps.com, " Ash " > > > > <kas@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > > > its > > > > > primary > > > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > > > 11th are > > > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > > > KAS, 12th > > > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > > > that > > > > > goes in > > > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > > > for quality. > > > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > > > quality > > > > > of 3rd > > > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > > > i.e. > > > > > in primary > > > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > > > from > > > > > 3rd and > > > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, > prosperity > > > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus > so > > > > > say u are > > > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > > > house > > > > > becomes > > > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > > > timing job > > > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > > > than > > > > 4 > > > > > bindu (it > > > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > > > bindus means > > > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > > > aspect > > > > > so, say if > > > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > > > 5th > > > > > and 9th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > > > the > > > > > cost of 3 > > > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > > > (which is > > > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > > > SAV), > > > > > so they > > > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > > > aspects > > > > > will be > > > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > > > than > > > > 4 > > > > > bindus > > > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > > > consider it > > > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > > > house with say > > > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to > be > > > > > with -5 on > > > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > > > and > > > > > its > > > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > > > lord > > > > > in 12th > > > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > > ca> ca> > > > > http://www.ashtro. > > > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> ca> > > > ca > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > > 40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > > > On Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > Gopal Goel > > > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > > 40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > > > kiran.rama > > > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > > > house > > > > > lords in > > > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > > > placed in 8th > > > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > > > tendencies, > > > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > > > livelihood. He > > > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > > > apply > > > > > to Virgo > > > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > > > fall > > > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > > > signification of the > > > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > > > impact > > > > > of > > > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > > > also > > > > > protect > > > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > > > are > > > > > placed in > > > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > > > his > > > > > own > > > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > > > health. > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > > > not > > > > > be good > > > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > > > will be in > > > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > > 40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > > > understanding > > > > > on the > > > > > > same: > > > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > > > 8th > > > > > house, Will > > > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > > > the > > > > > period of > > > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > > > obstruction > > > > > to the > > > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > > > malefic > > > > > or during > > > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in > 8th, > > > > > 6th lord in > > > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > > > significations > > > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th > house > > > > > cause > > > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > > > good > > > > > things of > > > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > > > world > > > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > > > Sarvam, > > > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: > The > > > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. > Who > > > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > > > inherent > > > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > > > are > > > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > > > our > > > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > > > potential > > > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > > > The > > > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam > > > Pushpam > > > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or > realised, > > > > > man > > > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > > > Ocean, > > > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > > > the > > > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > > > Mother > > > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > > > Primordial > > > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > > > Poorvam > > > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > > > the > > > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > > > resort > > > > > to > > > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > > > (or > > > > > call > > > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > > > which > > > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the > universe > > > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > > > the > > > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > > > understand > > > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic > Stores. > > > > > Veda > > > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > > > mind. > > > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > > > mentioned > > > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara > > > Iti > > > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena > Naryana > > > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > > > is > > > > > just > > > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > > > Agni > > > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the > different > > > > > forms > > > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > > > Vardandtu > > > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > > > both > > > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > > > Srishti. > > > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven > forms > > > > of > > > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > > > inner > > > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > > > very > > > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > > > could > > > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute > forms > > > > > and > > > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > > > interesting > > > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > > > concuss > > > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > > > group. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > > > puranas/ > > > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > > > meanings > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > > > inadequate. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > > > have > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and > guesses > > > > > are > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > > > of > > > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > > > conflict > > > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > > > taken > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > > > buddha, > > > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > > > disagrees > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > > > line > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord > Narayana > > > > > who > > > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > > > Brahma > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > > > various > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > > > manas > > > > > > (mind); > > > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > > > enemy > > > > > to > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > > > or > > > > > Agni > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > > > havirbhiH > > > > > | > > > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > > > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > > > control, > > > > > are > > > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > > > Brahman > > > > > > (R.V > > > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common > sense > > > > > that > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > > > is > > > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all > 'pUrNa' > > > > > > brahman, > > > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > > > beheading > > > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > > > shira > > > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > > > control > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta > (some > > > > > call > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > > > ugraM > > > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > > > made > > > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > > > given > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma > (for > > > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya > dhanurAtanomi > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > > > the > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > > > of > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another > form > > > > of > > > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > > > in > > > > > > puranas > > > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > > > mail. > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > > > injunctions > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and > > > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > com > > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > > > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Hare ramakrishana, dear sarayu ji , If moon in 12th and sun in 6th means u generaly born during the full moon time . but afflictions by rahu and ketu will show some time in life . if u born in nite time moon is more strong and day time sun is more strong . again other results depends own lagna and sign lord ships of planets also . any way thanks for the feed back .since u dont hav any problems its ok and no need of birth data . thanks and regrds sunil nair , "sarayuid" <sarayuid wrote:>> Sri Sunilji,> Pardon my lack of knowledge in astrology....for now Iam still an admirer and not > knowledgeable in the nuances of astrology. I do not have any idea whether moon in my > horoscope is afflicted or not...but I can tell you that moon along with ketu is in the 12th > house and venus and sun along with mercury and rahu are in the sixth. But I have no > health complaints whatsoever until now....> > Regards> > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ > wrote:> >> > > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear sarayu ji> > > > > > > > 2nd and 12th house if afflicted or sun ,moon ( as 2 eyes luminouries> > ) afflicted or venus afflicted ( as jala tatwa ) can make one having eye> > problems .> > > > if all afflicted may be blind from birth also .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sarayuid"> > <sarayuid@> wrote:> > >> > > I have 2nd house lord, moon, in the 12th house and I have perfect eye> > sight till date..> > >> > >> > > Regards> > > , "Ash" kas@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kiran,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In every chart if 2nd lord is in 12th the does the person have weak> > > > eyesight, eye disease ?> > > >> > > > Are there any exceptions if so please list them so that we can study> > this> > > > from all angles.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Otherwise there will be another chart with 2nd lord in 12th and the> > person> > > > has perfectly good eyesight.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Cheers !!!> > > >> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > >> > > > _____> > > >> > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kiran> > R> > > > Tuesday December 18, 2007 11:57 AM> > > > > > > > Re: Re: To Ash> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Jyothiji,> > > >> > > > For eyesight see the 2nd house. 2nd house lord Moon is in 12th house> > - a> > > > dustana.> > > > Going by house association, eyesight lord is in the house of loss -> > so loss> > > > of eyesight can be predicted. 2nd lord in dustana indicates eye> > disease,> > > > lack of knowledge, laughing stock before audience, committing> > mistakes in> > > > legal documents and troubles caused by the bad use of words.> > > > So everything indicates eye disease/loss of eyesight.> > > >> > > > Moon is exalted in 12th house and as an exalted planet it should try> > and do> > > > benefic things. So that maybe the reason why it is poor eyesight and> > not> > > > loss of eyesight.> > > >> > > > For children, see the 5H. 5H lord as well as lord of house of gain> > Venus is> > > > in sustana in the 3rd house indicating gain of children, health and> > > > happiness to children when looked at from effect of 5H lord in> > sustana> > > > alone. There is benefic Jupiter aspect as well as malefic Saturn> > aspect on> > > > the 5th house. Malefic influence indicates disease to child while> > benefic> > > > indicates gain of child.> > > >> > > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari, currently she has Jupiter MD.> > Childbirth> > > > around 3 years ago happened in Saturn AD. Looks like Jupiter MD gave> > benefic> > > > influence of child and Saturn AD gave the malefic disease. Further> > after> > > > birth of child, there is Ketu AD and Mercury AD (Mercury is the> > dustana 12 H> > > > lord) and all this combined must have caused harm to the child.> > > >> > > > I am a learner in astrology and so please forgive any mistakes that> > I might> > > > have made in this reading> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > >> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ash,> > > >> > > > Here are the details of my cousin:> > > > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977> > > > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format)> > > > Place: Calicut> > > >> > > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three> > > > years old seems to be autistic.> > > >> > > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted)> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Jyothi> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > astrology , "Ash" <kas@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me> > > > know, for> > > > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor> > > > eyesight,> > > > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell> > > > me the> > > > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thanking you,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > >> > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>> > http://www.ashtro.> > > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > astrology > > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi> > > > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > astrology > > > > > Re: To Ashji> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > >> > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have> > > > known> > > > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I> > > > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th> > > > is> > > > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is> > > > it> > > > > only the 12th house?> > > > >> > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For> > > > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them> > one> > > > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There> > > > can> > > > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So> > > > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal> > > > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it> > > > not> > > > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house> > > > here;> > > > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),> > > > > unless other wise forced by situation.)> > > > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon> > > > exalted> > > > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But> > > > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot> > > > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I> > am> > > > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I> > > > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned> > by> > > > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At> > > > least> > > > > that is what I have seen.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Jyothi> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > 40>> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > "Ash"> > > > <kas@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the> > > > > chart is the> > > > > > 12th house which is fixed.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any> > > > > planets placed> > > > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is> > > > > placed in the> > > > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th> > > > > house> > > > > > would be enhanced.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I> > > > > distinguish> > > > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different> > > > > things.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak> > > > planet.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the> > > > > karak sthan> > > > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is> > > > > spoilt then> > > > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we> > > > generally> > > > > say that> > > > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital> > > > life> > > > > will be> > > > > > spoilt).> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th> > > > house> > > > > of the> > > > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As> > > > an> > > > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and> > > > > quality, I> > > > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event)> > is> > > > > not> > > > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at> > > > > the same> > > > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so> > > > such> > > > > a person> > > > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might> > > > be> > > > > given by> > > > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So> > > > > one is> > > > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an> > analogy.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will> > > > > answer your> > > > > > questions below.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.> > > > > 10th is> > > > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career> > > > of> > > > > a person> > > > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord> > is> > > > > in 9th so> > > > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in> > 9th> > > > > house a> > > > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So> > > > > here such a> > > > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that> > > > > 9th lord> > > > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as> > > > 12th> > > > > from> > > > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is> > > > > more towards> > > > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and> > > > > now it> > > > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment> > > > and> > > > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which> > > > > means that> > > > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will> > > > trigger> > > > > 12th> > > > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during> > > > > the antra> > > > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have> > to> > > > > put in> > > > > > less effort.> > > > > >> > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of> > > > > effort and> > > > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u> > > > get> > > > > things> > > > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate.> > > > Both> > > > > are on> > > > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in> > > > 10th> > > > > is> > > > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have> > > > good> > > > > > authority.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the> > > > CEO> > > > > of a> > > > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have> > good> > > > > > authority but there is a difference :-).> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house> > > > > looses status> > > > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the> > results> > > > > ruled by> > > > > > that planet is enhanced.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd> > > > > lord in 12th> > > > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then> > > > 6th> > > > > house is> > > > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and> > > > 3rd> > > > > lord goes> > > > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable> > > > to> > > > > all> > > > > > houses.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > >> > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.> > <http://www.ashtro.ca>> > > > ca> ca>> > > > http://www.ashtro.> > > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > 40>> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > > > <%40>> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com]> > On Behalf> > > > Of> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi> > > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > 40>> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > Re: To Ashji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ashji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This> > is> > > > > > what I understood from one of the articles.> > > > > > (http://www3.> > > > > > <http://www3.> > > > > <http://www3.> > > > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>> > > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm>> > > > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm)> > > > > >> > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then> > > > the> > > > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in> > the> > > > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt> > (because> > > > > > 12th lord from it is posited there).> > > > > >> > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how> > you> > > > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th> > > > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the> > > > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But> > > > this> > > > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which> > is> > > > a> > > > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below> > > > > > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious> > > > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house> > ruled> > > > > by> > > > > > them gets enhanced."> > > > > >> > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't> > > > the> > > > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?> > > > > >> > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Jyothi> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > > 40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40>> > > > ps.com, "Ash"> > > > > <kas@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would also like to share my view.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into> > > > its> > > > > > primary> > > > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and> > > > > > 11th are> > > > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is> > > > > > enhanced.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per> > > > > > KAS, 12th> > > > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet> > > > that> > > > > > goes in> > > > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is> > > > > > for quality.> > > > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.> > > > > quality> > > > > > of 3rd> > > > > > > house is enhanced.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd> > > > i.e.> > > > > > in primary> > > > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority> > > > from> > > > > > 3rd and> > > > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth,> > prosperity> > > > > > heap.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus> > so> > > > > > say u are> > > > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd> > > > house> > > > > > becomes> > > > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are> > > > > > timing job> > > > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more> > > > than> > > > > 4> > > > > > bindu (it> > > > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4> > > > > > bindus means> > > > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite> > > > aspect> > > > > > so, say if> > > > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th,> > > > 5th> > > > > > and 9th> > > > > > > house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at> > > > the> > > > > > cost of 3> > > > > > > other house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus> > > > > > (which is> > > > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in> > > > SAV),> > > > > > so they> > > > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their> > > > > aspects> > > > > > will be> > > > > > > beneficial on 3 other house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more> > > > than> > > > > 4> > > > > > bindus> > > > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we> > > > > > consider it> > > > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th> > > > > > house with say> > > > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to> > be> > > > > > with -5 on> > > > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points> > > > > and> > > > > > its> > > > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th> > > > > lord> > > > > > in 12th> > > > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.> > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>> > > > > ca> ca>> > > > > http://www.ashtro.> > > > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca>> > ca> ca>> > > > ca> > > > > > >> > > > > > > _____> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > > 40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com]> > > > On Behalf> > > > > Of> > > > > > Gopal Goel> > > > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > > 40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com;> > > > > kiran.rama> > > > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear Kiranji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of> > > > > house> > > > > > lords in> > > > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good> > > > > > results.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be> > > > > > placed in 8th> > > > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish> > > > > > tendencies,> > > > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his> > > > > > livelihood. He> > > > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not> > > > apply> > > > > > to Virgo> > > > > > > and PISCES ascendants.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal> > > > > > tendencies , yet he> > > > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will> > > > fall> > > > > > in Lagna.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the> > > > > > signification of the> > > > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in> > > > > > own ,exaltation or> > > > > > > friendly signs.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the> > > > > impact> > > > > > of> > > > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will> > > > > also> > > > > > protect> > > > > > > the house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords> > > > > are> > > > > > placed in> > > > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with> > > > his> > > > > > own> > > > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound> > > > health.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will> > > > > not> > > > > > be good> > > > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he> > > > > > will be in> > > > > > > habit to blame others.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433> > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076> > > > > > > INDIA> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@>> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > > 40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM> > > > > > > To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in> > > > understanding> > > > > > on the> > > > > > > same:> > > > > > > Please help me in doing so:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the> > > > 8th> > > > > > house, Will> > > > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in> > > > the> > > > > > period of> > > > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause> > > > obstruction> > > > > > to the> > > > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the> > > > malefic> > > > > > or during> > > > > > > periods of the house lord also?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in> > 8th,> > > > > > 6th lord in> > > > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad> > > > > > significations> > > > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th> > house> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?> > > > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only> > > > good> > > > > > things of> > > > > > > the house?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,> > > > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari> > > > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji,> > > > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is> > > > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But> > > > in> > > > > > this> > > > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the> > > > world> > > > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum> > > > > > Sarvam,> > > > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa:> > The> > > > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas.> > Who> > > > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the> > > > > > inherent> > > > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas> > > > > are> > > > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,> > > > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in> > > > our> > > > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the> > > > > > potential> > > > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.> > > > > The> > > > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam> > > > Pushpam> > > > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that> > > > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for> > > > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or> > realised,> > > > > > man> > > > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial> > > > > Ocean,> > > > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives> > > > > the> > > > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with> > > > > > Mother> > > > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the> > > > > Primordial> > > > > > > Prana Shakti.> > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji,> > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan> > > > > > Poorvam> > > > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used> > > > > the> > > > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not> > > > resort> > > > > > to> > > > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'> > > > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean'> > > > (or> > > > > > call> > > > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from> > > > which> > > > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the> > universe> > > > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning> > > > the> > > > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%> > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari> > > > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear sir,> > > > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to> > > > > > understand> > > > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic> > Stores.> > > > > > Veda> > > > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an> > > > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open> > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is> > > > mentioned> > > > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is> > > > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara> > > > Iti> > > > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena> > Naryana> > > > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who> > > > is> > > > > > just> > > > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.> > > > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But> > > > Agni> > > > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the> > different> > > > > > forms> > > > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema> > > > > > Vardandtu> > > > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are> > > > > > both> > > > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> > > > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this> > > > Srishti.> > > > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven> > forms> > > > > of> > > > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri> > > > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these> > > > > inner> > > > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is> > > > very> > > > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I> > > > > > could> > > > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to> > > > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute> > forms> > > > > > and> > > > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it> > > > > > interesting> > > > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not> > > > > > concuss> > > > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking> > > > > > > questions> > > > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology> > > > > > group.> > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of> > > > > > puranas/> > > > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden> > > > > > meanings> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly> > > > > > inadequate.> > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I> > > > > have> > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and> > guesses> > > > > > are> > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple> > > > of> > > > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have> > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > before.> > > > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other> > > > > > > Vedangas.> > > > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any> > > > > conflict> > > > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be> > > > > > taken> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;> > > > > > buddha,> > > > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none> > > > > > disagrees> > > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first> > > > line> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there:> > > > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> > > > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord> > Narayana> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether> > > > Brahma> > > > > > nor> > > > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also> > > > > not> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for> > > > various> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for> > > > manas> > > > > > > (mind);> > > > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there> > > > is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest> > > > enemy> > > > > > to> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra> > > > or> > > > > > Agni> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > Pushan, are> > > > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):> > > > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe> > > > > havirbhiH> > > > > > |> > > > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM> > > > vartirashvinAvirAva> > > > > > t.h ||> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> > > > > > > > > from Vishnu.> > > > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> > > > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> > > > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> > > > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the> > > > control,> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of> > > > > Brahman> > > > > > > (R.V> > > > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common> > sense> > > > > > that> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form> > > > is> > > > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all> > 'pUrNa'> > > > > > > brahman,> > > > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'> > > > > > > omniscient?) .> > > > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra> > > > beheading> > > > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH> > > > > shira> > > > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in> > > > > > Taiitariya> > > > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the> > > > > > control> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta> > (some> > > > > > call> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM> > > > > ugraM> > > > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.> > > > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be> > > > made> > > > > > > Rudra,> > > > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had> > > > given> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma> > (for> > > > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya> > dhanurAtanomi> > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is> > > > the> > > > > > > Being> > > > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born> > > > of> > > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another> > form> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred> > > > in> > > > > > > puranas> > > > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another> > > > > mail.> > > > > > > That> > > > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic> > > > > injunctions> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri> > > > > > Vedavyasa> > > > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and> > > > Saraswati.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > sriram nayak> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > > <%40> astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > com, rashmi patel> > > > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > > > > SARASWATIJI> > > > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE> > > > > > DAUGHTERS> > > > > > > OF> > > > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > THANKS> > > > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > > <%40> astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an> > > > illusion> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. 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Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Dear Ash, Somewhere my frequency matches with yours:) Your quote: " Also one more thought and this is on a tangent, but since its come to my mind, I will note it down. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe our Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full knowledge? Have full knowledge, would mean having absolute power and absolute power will corrupt. Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the world, with some knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or Yavans, some hidden in the Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc etc. Only the big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really wanted and the actual reason why the medium of instruction was only verbal, why is all this knowledge dispersed, and why the texts were destroyed etc etc. " The Great Almighty knows that human beings may become bhasmasuras if granted all the power:) Recently I happened to read some aphorisms of Pythagorus which I feel will be appropriate to recollect in this context: (Producing only a few that is relevant here:) I. Govern your tongue before all other things, following the gods. Meaning: This aphorism warns man that his words, instead of representing him(God), misrepresent him, and that when in doubt as to what he should say, he should always be silent. 2. Speak not about Pythagoric concerns without light. Meaning: The world is herein warned that it should not attempt to interpret the mysteries of God and the secrets of the sciences without spiritual and intellectual illumination. (I will emphasize this:) Regards, Jyothi , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > I don’t think u understood what I was trying to say, Oh I don’t doubt that what our ancient seers taught us is not correct. > > > > However my emphasis is on “What Words of the Sages?â€. > > > > How do we know for sure that what the sages said and what is translated in English today are same. That can’t be assumed. > > > > So, let me clarify, that what our ancient seers and sages taught was perfect, but what we have today cannot be said that that is exactly what the sages taught. > > > > So just quoting blindly using incomplete texts, by translators who might not have grasped the essence of what the real meaning of the shokes were meant to be, inability to interpret it w.r.t point in time, i.e. for example, somewhere its given that Ju in 4th house means elephants at door step, now that has to be translated in todays worlds as maybe chauffer derive limousine or something like that, and even one step before that, has the exact shloke been written done exactly as the way our ancient seers have said? > > > > Back then the medium of teaching was verbal so someone at some point might have documented all this. > > > > So many layers of area where interpretation might go wrong. > > > > In reference to your comment about having patience, to that I have to say that I have decided when I started learning Jyotish, so not to worry, it’s a life long journey (or several lifetimes), but the only way in my opinion to do justice to our ancient seers is to make accurate prediction, by that I mean, 80-100% of charts must be read accurately. That would automatically imply that what they taught and what we have understood is perfect :-) > > > > That and only that is and can be the truth. > > > > I also understand that there has to be a start somewhere, and u can use these so called remains that we have today called “classic texts†as the starting point, but it would be not proper to think that that is what > > > > a) Exaclty what Maharishis > > b) We have all the texts and and in proper form > > c) We have proper translations of the same. > > > > So consider this as starting point and only starting point and the end point will be or we can say that we have understood what the sages have taught only when we are able to predict events 100% or rather understand the essence of Jyotish 100%. > > > > > > Also one more thought and this is on a tangent, but since its come to my mind, I will note it down. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe our Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full knowledge? Have full knowledge, would mean having absolute power and absolute power will corrupt. > > > > Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the world, with some knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or Yavans, some hidden in the Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc etc. > > > > Only the big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really wanted and the actual reason why the medium of instruction was only verbal, why is all this knowledge dispersed, and why the texts were destroyed etc etc. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh > Wednesday January 9, 2008 6:55 AM > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!! > > > > Dear Ash ji, > Wait pls. You will right away see that their words are right - > and error is only in our understanding. Have patiants and don't be > in a hurry. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology , " Ash's Corner@ " > <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree with u, but my only grave concern and this question > that worries me is that  " What did parasara actually say and teach > v/s what had been understood and written down and available in texts > today?â€Â. If there is a difference and if everyone is following > that blindly and if such things do not pass the test of actually > practical solving of charts then that must mean that there is some > discrepancy there. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > [ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology ] On Behalf Of > Sreenadh > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 6:15 AM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it > true?!!! > > > > > > > > Dear Remesh ji, > > ==> > > > Both of you are correct your own way. > > > But the problem is, mixing two different system. > > <== > > You are absolutely right. > > > > This is what I tried to explain in my previous post - the > methodologies/systems differ - i.e. ancient Indian astrology (let us > denote it as AIA) and KAS. But as far us the case (statement of > Parasara and Lomasa regarding 2nd lord 2nd house) is concerned the > systems/methodologies are irrelevant - what we are (and should be) > interested in is verifying whether the said result is true in known > horoscopes or not. > > I also agree that - multiple factors should indicate the same to > state such a result with confidence. But the point I wanted to > emphasis (supporting the statement of the sages) was that ââ ‚¬ " for > sure it shows a trend in that direction, i.e. in the direction of > fructification of multiple marriages; in the absence of other > supporting yogas/combinations, it is NOT necessary that just > because of this combination the said result should fructify; but > this shouldn't hold us back from giving proper waitage to the > statemnt of those sages. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash and Sreenadh, > > > Sorry to intrtvene here. Both of you are correct your own way. > > > But the problem is, mixing two different system. > > > In VA for second marriage second house is considered if I am not > wrong. > > > 8th house is for break in first marriage and 7th from 8th is > second that is why 2nd house is for second marriage. > > > But chart must indicate multiple marriages. > > > For that we have to see the status of Ve. Its relationship with > Ma. Sa and Ra. > > > The placemeent of Ve in dual signs. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > " Ash's Corner@ " kas@ wrote: > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > I do not think we are on the same wavelength here. Ve exalts in > Pisces the 12th house and in upachaya from 7th house. That is 11th > from Taurus. That is correct. > > > > > > But for a person to have extra marital relationship he must have > some yogs indicating that, his personality and character must be > such. There must be problems or some such things indicating. > > > > > > Here 2nd house means karak for marriage is what I am seeing > period. If 2nd house is spoilt or Venus is spoilt then the results > of 7th house are spoilt, so it means there might be multiple > marriages or no marriage or some such thing means disturbed 7th > house. > > > > > > However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside > the boundaries and have extra marital relation must be indicated by > the nature of the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short more > yogs. > > > > > > 2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own > home??? I am not clear with that either. House and fixed assets are > 4th house. 2nd house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds, > stocks gold as per todays day and age and back in old days, also > knowledge i.e. Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th house in Kalpurush chart > and your Guru and father too. > > > > > > How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other > way, I have not understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd > house? > > > > > > > > > 2nd house is 10th from 5th so primary upachaya. So in dasha of > 2nd or 10th lord that might trigger 5th house. Now that only need > not be romance, it can be a person might get his or her degree in > education or might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery. > > > > > > For a person to have romantic relation, he or she must have some > particular nature or yogs like say Mars and Venus with Sa or say Ma > and Ve in 1 house aspected by Saturn, so that can make a person more > passionate (personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd lord > runs or 10th lord then more chances of something that might happen > that he or she might meet someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju > aspects then it might not let it go out of hand etc etc etc like > other influence of planets modifying the overall nature of the > person. > > > > > > In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons > will have multiple marriages etc might not hold true in all charts. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > [ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology ] On Behalf Of > Sreenadh > > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AM > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is > it true?!!! > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation' > mentioned here is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th > (bed pleasures); But rather related to the house indicating 2nd > marriages or relations within the relationships such as 2nd and 11th > houses. > > > Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and > Venus is the lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that > the same Venus gets exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd > marriage) from Taurus. As per NHT2, note that Jupiter is the > significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in Taurus (2nd lord in > any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house) means, 11th lord > from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use NHT2, 2nd lord in > 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna - Mercury is > debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting > relation with both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd > wife/relation). Note that 11th indicates friendship turned into > relation. > > > > > > Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could > be - > > > * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication > of break of first marriage is present in horoscope) > > > * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation. > > > * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/chance with in > the family relatives/relations > > > > > > This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that " if 2nd > lord is in 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image > and he would be good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital > affairs; almost strong as a marriage " . It is not that the native is > immoral, non-sincere, does not loves his wife or something like > that; it is just that for fulfillment (complimenting) he needs some > extra relations - and have it, solid. If even by a slight chance if > his marriage is affected, the very next day you will find him > settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May be > some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this > derivation. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology , " Ash's Corner@ " > kas@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by > 2 or 3 wives? > > > > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so > partner in property > > > > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th > house matters > > > > which involves pleasures? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a person say in India as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a > bigamous > > > > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that > he or she > > > > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and > divorce and > > > > marry 3rd time like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd > lord a person > > > > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y > chromosomes so that > > > > might be a factor in having more female children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart, > then mostly > > > > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such > persons are > > > > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO > where I said > > > > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a > mail I think in > > > > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large > ventures to > > > > establish business or if he is rising to much power and > conception happens > > > > then there are MORE chances of having a female child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this > 2nd lord in > > > > lagna logic as well? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology ] On Behalf Of > Sreenadh > > > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology > > > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is > it true?!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as > lagna and that > > > > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that > Venus gets > > > > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female > eunuch. > > > > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna ji > and the mail > > > > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi > horas. We need to > > > > verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the > sage quotes, and > > > > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal. > > > > > > > > " If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He > may have 2 or > > > > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but > won't have > > > > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will > indulge in > > > > righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will > have much > > > > income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will > always try to > > > > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more > and more money. > > > > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech > etc). " > > > > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The tight- > fistedness > > > > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful > expenses; it is not > > > > that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For > useful and right > > > > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple > > > > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral > attitude, but rather > > > > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people > he comes in > > > > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women, > due to the too > > > > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong > relation (strong as > > > > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to > mention - multiple > > > > wives for the native. > > > > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in > real > > > > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same > combination to share > > > > their experience; and their response/coment about the above > reading. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology , " vinita kumar " > > > > shankar_mamta@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily > be close > > > > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate > the > > > > > effort > > > > > > > > > > Why should such a person have no son? > > > > > > > > > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in > Taurus. > > > > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its > feminine > > > > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even > sign also > > > > > equal to female??? dunno! > > > > > > > > > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd > house > > > > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign. > > > > > > > > > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may > have 2- > > > > > 3 wives....why and how? > > > > > > > > > > 7th house is the significator of marriage....first marriage > or all > > > > > marriages? > > > > > > > > > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have > heard > > > > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the > significator of > > > > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so > on...Of > > > > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements. > > > > > > > > > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH > just as > > > > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd. > > > > > > > > > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign > of > > > > > copulation....so maybe more than one marriage. > > > > > > > > > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is > the hidden > > > > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how > this fits > > > > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such > marriages are > > > > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection > there. > > > > > > > > > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the > nh2 > > > > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms > of > > > > > application. > > > > > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > > vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> astrology , > Krishnamurthy > > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me try - > > > > > > > > > > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th > being 2nd > > > > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, > might be > > > > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it > would be > > > > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th > lord in the > > > > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of > family > > > > > is not good. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son. > > > > > > > > > > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. > The > > > > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has > 2nd lord > > > > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only > child. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd - > > > > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives. > > > > > > * He will have NO son!! > > > > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very > good > > > > > results such as " good family, wealth, house, beautiful face, > > > > > earnings " etc only for such a placement. What prompted these > grate > > > > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - " He will > have no > > > > > son " ?!! The quiz question is - > > > > > > * What is the logic behind? > > > > > > And the verification question is - Is that result > derivations > > > > > true in actual experience? > > > > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house > every > > > > > body would be much interested in applying the learned > principles > > > > > here. ;=) > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast > with > > > > > Search. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to > know how. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Dear Jyotiben & other Members, Our seers had definite reasons in ensuring that the crypted slokas does not fall in wrong hands...and only those who have the " harhatha " {deserving people/students} should that secrets be revealed.......Why go to that extent...we have our George W. Bush after North Korea, Pakistan & Iran for safeguarding the N-Secrets....which they themselves revealed now running against time & energy to safe guard and control them. Is it they are learning or we are learning from them ?? So appreciate we have better examples in our own scriputres than theirs..... Our sanskara says, believe the sages / saints / seers....., do not blindly apply western logics of science...to know... & query..them....for it is written in our scriptures...when time dawns.....secrets would be revealed....till then toil....but never lose the confidence or faith in them..... To question the seers statements in slokas, is about ignorance of its application or understanding of them....by US {us = we all - not United States of America}!!! So we are to blame ourselves.... Some people have got the knowledge given to them in a gift wrap, for others it is only after toiling.......so it is easy to comment on those toiling...for it is the simplest thing to do.....go through the Yaksha Prasnas....... If astro_knowledge & everything is so " plain white " .....then surely people would not be earning their $ 100 fee...{or more....} they currently enjoy !! Get knowledge free....but to give the benefit of knowledge you charge !!! Here in this group, we did not get it freely......but still giving free to you all.....to best of our abilities....so why crib over it ?? With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, Somewhere my frequency matches with yours:) Your quote: " Also one more thought and this is on a tangent, but since its come to my mind, I will note it down. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe our Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full knowledge? Have full knowledge, would mean having absolute power and absolute power will corrupt. Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the world, with some knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or Yavans, some hidden in the Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc etc. Only the big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really wanted and the actual reason why the medium of instruction was only verbal, why is all this knowledge dispersed, and why the texts were destroyed etc etc. " The Great Almighty knows that human beings may become bhasmasuras if granted all the power:) Recently I happened to read some aphorisms of Pythagorus which I feel > will be appropriate to recollect in this context: (Producing only a few that is relevant here:) I. Govern your tongue before all other things, following the gods. Meaning: This aphorism warns man that his words, instead of representing him(God), misrepresent him, and that when in doubt as to what he should say, he should always be silent. 2. Speak not about Pythagoric concerns without light. Meaning: The world is herein warned that it should not attempt to interpret the mysteries of God and the secrets of the sciences without spiritual and intellectual illumination. (I will emphasize this:) Regards, Jyothi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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