Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 This is a foregone chapter. But I would share a beautiful quote that I read : 'KETTAVAN, KETTATHIL KETTIDUM RAJAYOGAM' This is a Tamil Astrology quote means Kettavan(Malfic Planet), Kettathil (bad houses 6/8/12), kettidum (invite) ...Rajayogam. The simple answer is... a brute never spoils his own house or friends' house. A malfic planet situated in 3/6/8/12, if it is friends house or own house....it will give good results. Regards Hari , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > dear Kiranji, > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house lords in various houses. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good results. > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be placed in 8th house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish tendencies, may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his livelihood. He becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply to Virgo and PISCES ascendants. > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal tendencies , yet he will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall in Lagna. > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the signification of the house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in own ,exaltation or friendly signs. > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact of malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also protect the house. > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are placed in these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his own kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not be good for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he will be in habit to blame others. > Regards, > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > To Sreenadhji: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding on the same: > Please help me in doing so: > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th house, Will it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the period of the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction to the significations of the house only during the period of the malefic or during periods of the house lord also? > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, 6th lord in 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad significations of the house will be amplified.. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house cause increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good things of the house? > > Thanks > Kiran > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in this > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum Sarvam, > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the inherent > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the potential > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, man > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with Mother > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > Prana Shakti. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > ==> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > <== > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort to > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or call > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to understand > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. Veda > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open mind.. > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts. Who is just > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different forms > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema Vardandtu > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are both > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I could > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms and > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it interesting > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not concuss > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > questions > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology group. > The > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of puranas/ > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden meanings > of > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly inadequate. > The > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > seen > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses are > used > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > happened > > > before. > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > Vedangas. > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be taken > and > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; buddha, > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none disagrees > here. > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line from > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana who > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma nor > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not a > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > other > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > (mind); > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is not > one > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy to > his > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or Agni > or > > > Pushan, are > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH | > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva t.h || > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > from Vishnu. > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, are > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > (R.V > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense that > one > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > brahman, > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > omniscient?) . > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in Taiitariya > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the control > of > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some call > it > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > Rudra, > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given the > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi etc. > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > Being > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of Lord > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > puranas > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > That > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > and > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri Vedavyasa > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > regards > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > SARASWATIJI > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS > OF > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > existence. > > > Be > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is > > > the > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. > This > > > is > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is > the > > > only > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > sect. > > > If > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this > world > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Dear Hari ji, The malefics in malefic houses make the native brut, courageous, and gives the attitude to win the fights by destroying the enemies without mercy, using all the possible - worldly ways - right or wrong. For them the motto is "any tactic is ok, to attain the goal"! Of course either raja yoga or direct opposite sudden destruction and death of the native itself could become the result. One shouldn't expect rajayoga always - check the chart of criminals and murders - you will find something cute! Ya, the association between malefics and malefic houses! Love,Sreenadh , "hashmi963" <hashmi963 wrote:>> > This is a foregone chapter. But I would share a beautiful quote > that I read :> > 'KETTAVAN, KETTATHIL KETTIDUM RAJAYOGAM'> > This is a Tamil Astrology quote means Kettavan(Malfic Planet), > Kettathil (bad houses 6/8/12), kettidum (invite) ...Rajayogam.> > The simple answer is... a brute never spoils his own house or > friends' house. > > A malfic planet situated in 3/6/8/12, if it is friends house or own > house....it will give good results.> > Regards> Hari> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel > gkgoel1937@ wrote:> >> > dear Kiranji,> > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :> > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house > lords in various houses. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good > houses.> > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > results.> > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > placed in 8th house, will yield to bad results.The native will have > thievish tendencies, may be punished by authorities,will serve > others for his livelihood. He becomes the cause of his own death. > These results will not apply to Virgo and PISCES ascendants.> > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > tendencies , yet he will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd > house will fall in Lagna.> > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.> > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > signification of the house in its period , provided it is not > Vargottama , in own ,exaltation or friendly signs.> > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact > of malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > also protect the house.> > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.> > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are > placed in these houses , some negative results will also come to > pass.> > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > own kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.> > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not > be good for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, > he will be in habit to blame others.> > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R kiran.rama@> > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM> > To Sreenadhji:> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding > on the same:> > Please help me in doing so:> > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > house, Will it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H > only in the period of the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?> > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > to the significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic or during periods of the house lord also?> > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > 6th lord in 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and > bad significations of the house will be amplified.. e.g: Will 8th > lord in 8th house cause increased longevity, large debts, many > diseases and poverty?> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > things of the house?> > > > Thanks> > Kiran> > > > Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman > Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > this > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > Sarvam, > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > inherent > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > potential > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam Pushpam > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > man > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > Mother > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > > Prana Shakti. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,> > > ==>> > > "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > Poorvam > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.> > > <==> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > to > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > call > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman > Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear sir, > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > understand > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > Veda > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > mind.. > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara Iti > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts. Who is > just > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > forms > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > Vardandtu > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > both > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > could > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > and > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > interesting > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > concuss > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji,> > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > questions > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > group. > > The > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > puranas/ > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > meanings > > of > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > inadequate. > > The > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > > seen > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > are > > used > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > happened > > > > before.> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > Vedangas. > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > taken > > and > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > buddha, > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > disagrees > > here.> > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > from > > > > Mahopanishad is there:> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > who > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > nor > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not > a > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > other > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > (mind); > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > not > > one > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > to > > his > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > Agni > > or > > > > Pushan, are> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH > | > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva > t.h ||> > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> > > > from Vishnu.> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > are > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > > (R.V > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > that > > one > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > brahman, > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > omniscient?) . > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > Taiitariya> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > control > > of > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > call > > it > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > Rudra, > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > the > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > etc. > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > Being > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > Lord > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > puranas > > > > as chaturavadana rani).> > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > > That > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > > and > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > Vedavyasa > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > sriram nayak> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi > patel > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > SARASWATIJI> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > DAUGHTERS > > OF > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME> > > > > > > > > > THANKS> > > > > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its > > existence. > > > > Be > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality > is > > > > the > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > Christianity. > > This > > > > is > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history > or > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" is > > the > > > > only > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > their "ism" > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > > sect. > > > > If > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this > > world > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > Avila, > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin> > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know > how. > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. 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Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Dear Sreenadh ji, " The malefics in malefic houses make the native brut, courageous, and gives the attitude to win the fights by destroying the enemies without mercy, using all the possible - worldly ways - right or wrong. For them the motto is " any tactic is ok, to attain the goal " ! Oh... dear!....this is not fair. I cannot agree. blessings Renu , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Hari ji, > > The malefics in malefic houses make the native brut, courageous, and > gives the attitude to win the fights by destroying the enemies without > mercy, using all the possible - worldly ways - right or wrong. For them > the motto is " any tactic is ok, to attain the goal " ! Of course either > raja yoga or direct opposite sudden destruction and death of the native > itself could become the result. [>] One shouldn't expect rajayoga > always - check the chart of criminals and murders - you will find > something cute! [:-?] Ya, the association between malefics and malefic > houses! > > Love, > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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