Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Dear Sreenadhji/Sreeramji,I have some doubts on basics that are acting as roadblock in my progress ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So if lagna lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native wealthy.DOES THIS HOLD TRUE IF LAGNA LORD IS DEBILITATED OR IN ENEMY'S HOUSE? In case of lagna lord being debilitated or in enemy house does it mean that lagna lord will still bestow wealth on 2nd house by way of aspect but the amount will be less? Or does it mean that lagna lord by virtue of debilitation/being posited in enemy house will cause loss of wealth to native?** Suppose I want to take a call on the overall physical appearance of a native, I have to look at Lagna. What if lagna lord is in dustana, malefic is in lagna and benefic planet aspects lagna?IN THIS CASE SHOULD WE PREDICT MIXED RESULTS FOR APPEARANCE OF NATIVE?** What if malefic is vargottama?Suppose malefic Saturn is vargottamma, meaning it is like Saturn is in his own house.Does it indicate aspect by Saturn is no longer malefic and is benefic?** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in if he is malefic?Suppose malefic Mars is in the 7th house. He must cause celibacy being a brahmachari or loss of wife or loss of marriage. What if Mars is exalted in the 7th house? Will he give negative results for the 7th house or will he give positive results for the 7th house** Shadow planets questionShadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets they are posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with Mercury and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu take on Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's roleThanksKiran Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Dear Kiran ji, The answers follow - * Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The native will 'experience' that house related results" - because the connection of any house/planet with lagna indicates that the native will 'experience' that house - because Lagna is the native itself. It is just based on this foundation that the secondary rule - "Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house" is put forward by some. Since 'experiencing the house' can go both ways, this may not be true always, but still the statement holds some water - but still a too much generalization. Don't try to build castles on top of such unreliable secondary - that is not the way. > ** What if malefic is vargottama? Whether malefic or benefic - vargottama just means that "The significance of the planet amplify". > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in if he is malefic? Yes. A malefic causing destruction to the house, and when exalted it providing the things related to its significance are two different things - both results apply. > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets they are posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with Mercury and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu take on Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role In such a situation the nature of BOTH Mercury's and Saturn's nature are imparted to the relevant shadow planet - there is no partiality. The relevant shadow planet will give the results (good or bad or both) related to mercury, Saturn and its own. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji/Sreeramji,> > I have some doubts on basics that are acting as roadblock in my progress > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So if lagna lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native wealthy.> > DOES THIS HOLD TRUE IF LAGNA LORD IS DEBILITATED OR IN ENEMY'S HOUSE? > In case of lagna lord being debilitated or in enemy house does it mean that lagna lord will still bestow wealth on 2nd house by way of aspect but the amount will be less? > Or does it mean that lagna lord by virtue of debilitation/being posited in enemy house will cause loss of wealth to native?> > ** Suppose I want to take a call on the overall physical appearance of a native, I have to look at Lagna. What if lagna lord is in dustana, malefic is in lagna and benefic planet aspects lagna?> IN THIS CASE SHOULD WE PREDICT MIXED RESULTS FOR APPEARANCE OF NATIVE?> > ** What if malefic is vargottama?> Suppose malefic Saturn is vargottamma, meaning it is like Saturn is in his own house.> Does it indicate aspect by Saturn is no longer malefic and is benefic?> > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in if he is malefic?> Suppose malefic Mars is in the 7th house. He must cause celibacy being a brahmachari or loss of wife or loss of marriage. What if Mars is exalted in the 7th house? Will he give negative results for the 7th house or will he give positive results for the 7th house> > ** Shadow planets question> Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets they are posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with Mercury and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu take on Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role> > Thanks> Kiran> > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, " Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that " The native will > 'experience' that house related results " - because the connection of any > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native will 'experience' that > house - because Lagna is the native itself. " Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house lagna lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? It would be appreciated very much if you could explain with an analogy....thanks:) blessings Renu , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Kiran ji, > The answers follow - > * Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that " The native will > 'experience' that house related results " - because the connection of any > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native will 'experience' that > house - because Lagna is the native itself. It is just based on this > foundation that the secondary rule - " Lagna lord aspect on any house is > good for that house " is put forward by some. Since 'experiencing the > house' can go both ways, this may not be true always, but still the > statement holds some water - but still a too much generalization. Don't > try to build castles on top of such unreliable secondary - that is not > the way. > > ** What if malefic is vargottama? > Whether malefic or benefic - vargottama just means that " The > significance of the planet amplify " . > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in if he is > malefic? > Yes. A malefic causing destruction to the house, and when exalted it > providing the things related to its significance are two different > things - both results apply. > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets they are > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with Mercury > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu take on > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role > In such a situation the nature of BOTH Mercury's and Saturn's > nature are imparted to the relevant shadow planet - there is no > partiality. The relevant shadow planet will give the results (good > or bad or both) related to mercury, Saturn and its own. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > , Kiran R > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji/Sreeramji, > > > > I have some doubts on basics that are acting as roadblock in my > progress > > > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So if lagna > lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native wealthy. > > > > DOES THIS HOLD TRUE IF LAGNA LORD IS DEBILITATED OR IN ENEMY'S HOUSE? > > In case of lagna lord being debilitated or in enemy house does it mean > that lagna lord will still bestow wealth on 2nd house by way of aspect > but the amount will be less? > > Or does it mean that lagna lord by virtue of debilitation/being > posited in enemy house will cause loss of wealth to native? > > > > ** Suppose I want to take a call on the overall physical appearance of > a native, I have to look at Lagna. What if lagna lord is in dustana, > malefic is in lagna and benefic planet aspects lagna? > > IN THIS CASE SHOULD WE PREDICT MIXED RESULTS FOR APPEARANCE OF NATIVE? > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama? > > Suppose malefic Saturn is vargottamma, meaning it is like Saturn is in > his own house. > > Does it indicate aspect by Saturn is no longer malefic and is benefic? > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in if he is > malefic? > > Suppose malefic Mars is in the 7th house. He must cause celibacy being > a brahmachari or loss of wife or loss of marriage. What if Mars is > exalted in the 7th house? Will he give negative results for the 7th > house or will he give positive results for the 7th house > > > > ** Shadow planets question > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets they are > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with Mercury > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu take on > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role > > > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know > how. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Dear Renu ji, ==> > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house lagna > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? <== Here the problem under consideration is (as put by Kiran) - ==> > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So if > lagna lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native wealthy. <== Therefore all discussion is about aspect of lagna lord and NOT placement. The explanation was - Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The native will 'experience' that house related results" - because Lagna is the native itself. Thus - * If lagna lord aspects 2nd house - then for sure the native will 'experience' some results (positive or negative) related to 2nd house; but since 2nd house indicate wealth, the native will experience some wealth at least even if malefics are preesnt in 2nd - because even the most violent malefic presence in 2nd should leave at least some 2nd house related results for the natie to 'experience'. Thus there is some truth in the statement that 'aspect of lagna lord in any house is beneficial for the native' -but for sure it is a too much generalization. Why? Malefics in 2nd house FOR SURE will give there malefic results - and the native will for sue 'experience' those bad results as well! Malefics in 2nd indicates family problems - and the native for sure 'experience' that as well! And the question is - in short it is good or bad? :=) So only the first statement - "Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that, the native will 'experience' that house related results" holds good and NOT always the secondary - "'aspect of lagna lord in any house is beneficial for the native", even though some partial truth is there in it as well. To clarify your question about 'that house' - if lagna lord aspects 6th house - the native will 'experience' results resulted to the 6th house - for sure; If lagna lord aspects 6th house - the native will 'experience' results resulted to the 9th house - for sure and so on. Beneficial or maleficial only analysis can say - but fore sure some beneficial results would be there because - ALL HOUSES holds at least some benefic results. :=) Love and regards, Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > "Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The native will> > 'experience' that house related results" - because the connection > of any> > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native > will 'experience' that> > house - because Lagna is the native itself."> > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house lagna > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? It would be > appreciated very much if you could explain with an > analogy....thanks:)> > blessings> > Renu> , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > The answers follow -> > * Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The native > will> > 'experience' that house related results" - because the connection > of any> > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native > will 'experience' that> > house - because Lagna is the native itself. It is just based on > this> > foundation that the secondary rule - "Lagna lord aspect on any > house is> > good for that house" is put forward by some. Since 'experiencing > the> > house' can go both ways, this may not be true always, but still the> > statement holds some water - but still a too much generalization. > Don't> > try to build castles on top of such unreliable secondary - that is > not> > the way.> > > ** What if malefic is vargottama?> > Whether malefic or benefic - vargottama just means that "The> > significance of the planet amplify".> > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in if he > is> > malefic?> > Yes. A malefic causing destruction to the house, and when > exalted it> > providing the things related to its significance are two different> > things - both results apply.> > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets > they are> > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with > Mercury> > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu > take on> > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role> > In such a situation the nature of BOTH Mercury's and Saturn's> > nature are imparted to the relevant shadow planet - there is no> > partiality. The relevant shadow planet will give the results > (good> > or bad or both) related to mercury, Saturn and its own. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , Kiran R> > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji/Sreeramji,> > >> > > I have some doubts on basics that are acting as roadblock in my> > progress> > >> > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So if > lagna> > lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native wealthy.> > >> > > DOES THIS HOLD TRUE IF LAGNA LORD IS DEBILITATED OR IN ENEMY'S > HOUSE?> > > In case of lagna lord being debilitated or in enemy house does > it mean> > that lagna lord will still bestow wealth on 2nd house by way of > aspect> > but the amount will be less?> > > Or does it mean that lagna lord by virtue of debilitation/being> > posited in enemy house will cause loss of wealth to native?> > >> > > ** Suppose I want to take a call on the overall physical > appearance of> > a native, I have to look at Lagna. What if lagna lord is in > dustana,> > malefic is in lagna and benefic planet aspects lagna?> > > IN THIS CASE SHOULD WE PREDICT MIXED RESULTS FOR APPEARANCE OF > NATIVE?> > >> > > ** What if malefic is vargottama?> > > Suppose malefic Saturn is vargottamma, meaning it is like Saturn > is in> > his own house.> > > Does it indicate aspect by Saturn is no longer malefic and is > benefic?> > >> > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in if he > is> > malefic?> > > Suppose malefic Mars is in the 7th house. He must cause celibacy > being> > a brahmachari or loss of wife or loss of marriage. What if Mars is> > exalted in the 7th house? Will he give negative results for the 7th> > house or will he give positive results for the 7th house> > >> > > ** Shadow planets question> > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets > they are> > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with > Mercury> > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu > take on> > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role> > >> > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > >> > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here > to know> > how.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Dear Manoj Kar, First, there are NO gurus or gurujis in this group - only plain ordinary mortals. Second, NO use of " Sir " for it sounds little Royal English !! Third, Kindly read your astro_books properly, Venus gets debilitated in Virgo Sign NOT in Leo. Debilitation and being in inimical signs are all different. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote: Respected Guruji, Namaskar & happy new year. Sir, I want to ask a specific question that,If suppose for taurus lagna,its lord venus is placed with moon & ketu in the 4th house of leo,then is the lagna lord is indirectly deblited because,it is in its enemy house and also with moon,which is also its natural enemy. Pl clearify my doubt. Jay Jagannath Manoj kar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, Thanks for claryfing my confusion. No doubts regarding that now. Another matter for which I would like you to explain to me, ..please. Since Saturn, Jupiter & Mars have more than one aspect, do different aspects give varied results? For example is the 4th aspect of Mars is any better/worse than its 7th/8th aspects? Or..is the 10th aspect of Saturn better/worse than its 3rd/7th aspect...so on and so forth? Or ..in other words, for instance Saturn's aspect..generally... could be an affliction to the aspected house/lord. What I want to clarfy is whether the magnitude of the affliction varies according to the kind of affliction.... 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th ? These may be basics...yet I am in the kindergaten of the shcool of astrology:) blessings Renu , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Renu ji, > ==> > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house lagna > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? > <== > Here the problem under consideration is (as put by Kiran) - > ==> > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So if > > lagna lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native wealthy. > <== > Therefore all discussion is about aspect of lagna lord and NOT > placement. > The explanation was - Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that > " The native will > 'experience' that house related results " - because Lagna is the native > itself. > Thus - > * If lagna lord aspects 2nd house - then for sure the native will > 'experience' some results (positive or negative) related to 2nd house; > but since 2nd house indicate wealth, the native will experience some > wealth at least even if malefics are preesnt in 2nd - because even the > most violent malefic presence in 2nd should leave at least some 2nd > house related results for the natie to 'experience'. Thus there is > some truth in the statement that 'aspect of lagna lord in any house is > beneficial for the native' -but for sure it is a too much > generalization. Why? Malefics in 2nd house FOR SURE will give there > malefic results - and the native will for sue 'experience' those bad > results as well! Malefics in 2nd indicates family problems - and the > native for sure 'experience' that as well! And the question is - in > short it is good or bad? :=) So only the first statement - " Lagna lord > aspecting any house just tells us that, the native will 'experience' > that house related results " holds good and NOT always the secondary - > " 'aspect of lagna lord in any house is beneficial for the native " , even > though some partial truth is there in it as well. > To clarify your question about 'that house' - if lagna lord aspects > 6th house - the native will 'experience' results resulted to the 6th > house - for sure; If lagna lord aspects 6th house - the native will > 'experience' results resulted to the 9th house - for sure and so on. > Beneficial or maleficial only analysis can say - but fore sure some > beneficial results would be there because - ALL HOUSES holds at least > some benefic results. :=) > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > " Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that " The native will > > > 'experience' that house related results " - because the connection > > of any > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native > > will 'experience' that > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself. " > > > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house lagna > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? It would be > > appreciated very much if you could explain with an > > analogy....thanks:) > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > The answers follow - > > > * Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that " The native > > will > > > 'experience' that house related results " - because the connection > > of any > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native > > will 'experience' that > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself. It is just based on > > this > > > foundation that the secondary rule - " Lagna lord aspect on any > > house is > > > good for that house " is put forward by some. Since 'experiencing > > the > > > house' can go both ways, this may not be true always, but still the > > > statement holds some water - but still a too much generalization. > > Don't > > > try to build castles on top of such unreliable secondary - that is > > not > > > the way. > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama? > > > Whether malefic or benefic - vargottama just means that " The > > > significance of the planet amplify " . > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in if he > > is > > > malefic? > > > Yes. A malefic causing destruction to the house, and when > > exalted it > > > providing the things related to its significance are two different > > > things - both results apply. > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets > > they are > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with > > Mercury > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu > > take on > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role > > > In such a situation the nature of BOTH Mercury's and Saturn's > > > nature are imparted to the relevant shadow planet - there is no > > > partiality. The relevant shadow planet will give the results > > (good > > > or bad or both) related to mercury, Saturn and its own. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > , Kiran R > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji/Sreeramji, > > > > > > > > I have some doubts on basics that are acting as roadblock in my > > > progress > > > > > > > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So if > > lagna > > > lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native wealthy. > > > > > > > > DOES THIS HOLD TRUE IF LAGNA LORD IS DEBILITATED OR IN ENEMY'S > > HOUSE? > > > > In case of lagna lord being debilitated or in enemy house does > > it mean > > > that lagna lord will still bestow wealth on 2nd house by way of > > aspect > > > but the amount will be less? > > > > Or does it mean that lagna lord by virtue of debilitation/being > > > posited in enemy house will cause loss of wealth to native? > > > > > > > > ** Suppose I want to take a call on the overall physical > > appearance of > > > a native, I have to look at Lagna. What if lagna lord is in > > dustana, > > > malefic is in lagna and benefic planet aspects lagna? > > > > IN THIS CASE SHOULD WE PREDICT MIXED RESULTS FOR APPEARANCE OF > > NATIVE? > > > > > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama? > > > > Suppose malefic Saturn is vargottamma, meaning it is like Saturn > > is in > > > his own house. > > > > Does it indicate aspect by Saturn is no longer malefic and is > > benefic? > > > > > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in if he > > is > > > malefic? > > > > Suppose malefic Mars is in the 7th house. He must cause celibacy > > being > > > a brahmachari or loss of wife or loss of marriage. What if Mars is > > > exalted in the 7th house? Will he give negative results for the 7th > > > house or will he give positive results for the 7th house > > > > > > > > ** Shadow planets question > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets > > they are > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with > > Mercury > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu > > take on > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here > > to know > > > how. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Kindly note the correction made to my earlier post. " What I want to clarfy is whether the magnitude of the affliction varies according to the kind of affliction.... 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th ? " It should read as ...whether the magnitude of the affliction varies according to the kind of aspect...3rd etc. etc. blessings Renu , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > Thanks for claryfing my confusion. No doubts regarding that now. > > Another matter for which I would like you to explain to me, ..please. > > Since Saturn, Jupiter & Mars have more than one aspect, do different > aspects give varied results? For example is the 4th aspect of Mars > is any better/worse than its 7th/8th aspects? Or..is the 10th aspect > of Saturn better/worse than its 3rd/7th aspect...so on and so forth? > Or ..in other words, for instance Saturn's aspect..generally... > could be an affliction to the aspected house/lord. What I want to > clarfy is whether the magnitude of the affliction varies according > to the kind of affliction.... 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th ? > > These may be basics...yet I am in the kindergaten of the shcool of > astrology:) > > blessings > > Renu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Dear Renu ji, The ancient Rishi horas classify the aspects (drishti) into 3 categories - * Direct Aspect to 7th house for all planets (The usual terminology used is 'Nireekshyati' - meaning 'aspect completly/perfectly') * Special Aspect (Visesha drishti) of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn (The usual terminology used to mention both direct aspect and special aspect together is 'Eekshyate' - meaning just 'aspect') * Partial Aspect (Amsa drishti) of all planets (The usual terminlogy used to mention direct aspect, special aspect and partial aspect together is 'Pasyati' meaning 'view/aspect') For verious combinations they (the sages) with the use of this special terminology of Nirekshyati, Ekshyati and Pasyati - directs/guides in determining whether to consider - * Direct aspect only * Direct aspect and special aspect * Direct aspect, Special aspect and partial aspect. Thus this classification is truely valid in the case of many Yogas (combinations) - this is the first point to know regarding this. Thus the answer to the question - > do different aspects give varied results? Yes, but only in the above context. No, if your quetion is 'how the 3H aspect of Saturn and 10H aspect of Satern, or 5H aspect of Jupiter and 9H aspect of differ?'. The point is 'special aspect' is a single category and there is no bifercation there again with in it. Now the second question is (if you ask me) -"'Do you mean to say that the sage quotes for all the 3 categories mentiioned above is available seperately?". Then my answer is - NO. What we have regarding "Drishti Phala" (Results for Aspects - i.e. Direct+Special) is together treated as a single section in Rishi Horas. Just like the results for 2 planet combinations - we have a good collection of quotes regarding 'results for aspects for planets'. Usually when ever we say Aspect (Drishti) it usually include BOTH Direct and Special aspect and exclude Partial aspect. If partial aspect need to be considered anywhere - usually at least in age old Rishi horas that would be specifically indicated by the use of the word 'Pasyati' - but of course remember that the books of later origin violated even this fundamental rule! Q: What is the general result of an aspect? A: Nothing bout the mixing of the significance of both the planets under consideration. Q: What is Drishiti (Aspect)? A: Of course NOT the angle between planets as Sripati or Kepler thought! Love and regards, Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thanks for claryfing my confusion. No doubts regarding that now. > > Another matter for which I would like you to explain to me, ..please.> > Since Saturn, Jupiter & Mars have more than one aspect, do different > aspects give varied results? For example is the 4th aspect of Mars > is any better/worse than its 7th/8th aspects? Or..is the 10th aspect > of Saturn better/worse than its 3rd/7th aspect...so on and so forth? > Or ..in other words, for instance Saturn's aspect..generally... > could be an affliction to the aspected house/lord. What I want to > clarfy is whether the magnitude of the affliction varies according > to the kind of affliction.... 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th ?> > These may be basics...yet I am in the kindergaten of the shcool of > astrology:)> > blessings> > Renu> > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > ==>> > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house > lagna> > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord?> > <==> > Here the problem under consideration is (as put by Kiran) -> > ==>> > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So if> > > lagna lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native > wealthy.> > <==> > Therefore all discussion is about aspect of lagna lord and NOT> > placement.> > The explanation was - Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells > us that> > "The native will> > 'experience' that house related results" - because Lagna is the > native> > itself.> > Thus -> > * If lagna lord aspects 2nd house - then for sure the native > will> > 'experience' some results (positive or negative) related to 2nd > house;> > but since 2nd house indicate wealth, the native will experience > some> > wealth at least even if malefics are preesnt in 2nd - because even > the> > most violent malefic presence in 2nd should leave at least some 2nd> > house related results for the natie to 'experience'. Thus there > is> > some truth in the statement that 'aspect of lagna lord in any > house is> > beneficial for the native' -but for sure it is a too much> > generalization. Why? Malefics in 2nd house FOR SURE will give > there> > malefic results - and the native will for sue 'experience' those > bad> > results as well! Malefics in 2nd indicates family problems - and > the> > native for sure 'experience' that as well! And the question is - > in> > short it is good or bad? :=) So only the first statement - "Lagna > lord> > aspecting any house just tells us that, the native > will 'experience'> > that house related results" holds good and NOT always the > secondary -> > "'aspect of lagna lord in any house is beneficial for the native", > even> > though some partial truth is there in it as well.> > To clarify your question about 'that house' - if lagna lord > aspects> > 6th house - the native will 'experience' results resulted to the > 6th> > house - for sure; If lagna lord aspects 6th house - the native > will> > 'experience' results resulted to the 9th house - for sure and so > on. > > Beneficial or maleficial only analysis can say - but fore sure some> > beneficial results would be there because - ALL HOUSES holds at > least> > some benefic results. :=)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > "Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The native > will> > > > 'experience' that house related results" - because the > connection> > > of any> > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native> > > will 'experience' that> > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself."> > >> > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house > lagna> > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? It would > be> > > appreciated very much if you could explain with an> > > analogy....thanks:)> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > The answers follow -> > > > * Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The > native> > > will> > > > 'experience' that house related results" - because the > connection> > > of any> > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native> > > will 'experience' that> > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself. It is just based > on> > > this> > > > foundation that the secondary rule - "Lagna lord aspect on any> > > house is> > > > good for that house" is put forward by some. > Since 'experiencing> > > the> > > > house' can go both ways, this may not be true always, but > still the> > > > statement holds some water - but still a too much > generalization.> > > Don't> > > > try to build castles on top of such unreliable secondary - > that is> > > not> > > > the way.> > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama?> > > > Whether malefic or benefic - vargottama just means that "The> > > > significance of the planet amplify".> > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in > if he> > > is> > > > malefic?> > > > Yes. A malefic causing destruction to the house, and when> > > exalted it> > > > providing the things related to its significance are two > different> > > > things - both results apply.> > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets> > > they are> > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with> > > Mercury> > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu> > > take on> > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role> > > > In such a situation the nature of BOTH Mercury's and > Saturn's> > > > nature are imparted to the relevant shadow planet - there is no> > > > partiality. The relevant shadow planet will give the > results> > > (good> > > > or bad or both) related to mercury, Saturn and its own. > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > , Kiran R> > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadhji/Sreeramji,> > > > >> > > > > I have some doubts on basics that are acting as roadblock in > my> > > > progress> > > > >> > > > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So > if> > > lagna> > > > lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native wealthy.> > > > >> > > > > DOES THIS HOLD TRUE IF LAGNA LORD IS DEBILITATED OR IN > ENEMY'S> > > HOUSE?> > > > > In case of lagna lord being debilitated or in enemy house > does> > > it mean> > > > that lagna lord will still bestow wealth on 2nd house by way of> > > aspect> > > > but the amount will be less?> > > > > Or does it mean that lagna lord by virtue of > debilitation/being> > > > posited in enemy house will cause loss of wealth to native?> > > > >> > > > > ** Suppose I want to take a call on the overall physical> > > appearance of> > > > a native, I have to look at Lagna. What if lagna lord is in> > > dustana,> > > > malefic is in lagna and benefic planet aspects lagna?> > > > > IN THIS CASE SHOULD WE PREDICT MIXED RESULTS FOR APPEARANCE > OF> > > NATIVE?> > > > >> > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama?> > > > > Suppose malefic Saturn is vargottamma, meaning it is like > Saturn> > > is in> > > > his own house.> > > > > Does it indicate aspect by Saturn is no longer malefic and is> > > benefic?> > > > >> > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in > if he> > > is> > > > malefic?> > > > > Suppose malefic Mars is in the 7th house. He must cause > celibacy> > > being> > > > a brahmachari or loss of wife or loss of marriage. What if > Mars is> > > > exalted in the 7th house? Will he give negative results for > the 7th> > > > house or will he give positive results for the 7th house> > > > >> > > > > ** Shadow planets question> > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets> > > they are> > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with> > > Mercury> > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu> > > take on> > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Kiran> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click > here> > > to know> > > > how.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, Thanks you so much for explaining the 'aspects' of aspects. That is very kind of you. " Q: What is the general result of an aspect? A: Nothing bout the mixing of the significance of both the planets under consideration. " Am I to understand the mixing of the significance of both the planets as follows? 1. When a malefic aspects another malefic the significance of malefic results will be multiplied. 2. Malefic aspects a benefic or vice versa, mixed results will be the outcome. 3. Finally, benefic aspects a benefic will enhance the benefic results pertaining to the planets concerned. In Ekshate: The combine effect will be felt in the house in which the aspected planet is placed and also in the house owned by the aspected planet. In Nireekshyate:The combine effect will be felt in both the houses planets are placed and also in the houses owned by the relevant planets - in Nireekshyate. Kindly correct me if I am wrong...thanks. blessings Renu , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > The ancient Rishi horas classify the aspects (drishti) into 3 > categories - > * Direct Aspect to 7th house for all planets (The usual terminology > used is 'Nireekshyati' - meaning 'aspect completly/perfectly') > * Special Aspect (Visesha drishti) of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn (The > usual terminology used to mention both direct aspect and special aspect > together is 'Eekshyate' - meaning just 'aspect') > * Partial Aspect (Amsa drishti) of all planets (The usual terminlogy > used to mention direct aspect, special aspect and partial aspect > together is 'Pasyati' meaning 'view/aspect') > For verious combinations they (the sages) with the use of this > special terminology of Nirekshyati, Ekshyati and Pasyati - > directs/guides in determining whether to consider - > * Direct aspect only > * Direct aspect and special aspect > * Direct aspect, Special aspect and partial aspect. > Thus this classification is truely valid in the case of many Yogas > (combinations) - this is the first point to know regarding this. Thus > the answer to the question - > > do different aspects give varied results? > Yes, but only in the above context. No, if your quetion is 'how the > 3H aspect of Saturn and 10H aspect of Satern, or 5H aspect of Jupiter > and 9H aspect of differ?'. The point is 'special aspect' is a single > category and there is no bifercation there again with in it. > Now the second question is (if you ask me) - " 'Do you mean to say that > the sage quotes for all the 3 categories mentiioned above is available > seperately? " . Then my answer is - NO. What we have regarding " Drishti > Phala " (Results for Aspects - i.e. Direct+Special) is together treated > as a single section in Rishi Horas. > Just like the results for 2 planet combinations - we have a good > collection of quotes regarding 'results for aspects for planets'. > Usually when ever we say Aspect (Drishti) it usually include BOTH Direct > and Special aspect and exclude Partial aspect. If partial aspect need to > be considered anywhere - usually at least in age old Rishi horas that > would be specifically indicated by the use of the word 'Pasyati' - but > of course remember that the books of later origin violated even this > fundamental rule! > Q: What is the general result of an aspect? > A: Nothing bout the mixing of the significance of both the planets under > consideration. > Q: What is Drishiti (Aspect)? > A: Of course NOT the angle between planets as Sripati or Kepler thought! > > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > Thanks for claryfing my confusion. No doubts regarding that now. > > > > Another matter for which I would like you to explain to me, ..please. > > > > Since Saturn, Jupiter & Mars have more than one aspect, do different > > aspects give varied results? For example is the 4th aspect of Mars > > is any better/worse than its 7th/8th aspects? Or..is the 10th aspect > > of Saturn better/worse than its 3rd/7th aspect...so on and so forth? > > Or ..in other words, for instance Saturn's aspect..generally... > > could be an affliction to the aspected house/lord. What I want to > > clarfy is whether the magnitude of the affliction varies according > > to the kind of affliction.... 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th ? > > > > These may be basics...yet I am in the kindergaten of the shcool of > > astrology:) > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > ==> > > > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house > > lagna > > > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? > > > <== > > > Here the problem under consideration is (as put by Kiran) - > > > ==> > > > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So if > > > > lagna lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native > > wealthy. > > > <== > > > Therefore all discussion is about aspect of lagna lord and NOT > > > placement. > > > The explanation was - Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells > > us that > > > " The native will > > > 'experience' that house related results " - because Lagna is the > > native > > > itself. > > > Thus - > > > * If lagna lord aspects 2nd house - then for sure the native > > will > > > 'experience' some results (positive or negative) related to 2nd > > house; > > > but since 2nd house indicate wealth, the native will experience > > some > > > wealth at least even if malefics are preesnt in 2nd - because even > > the > > > most violent malefic presence in 2nd should leave at least some 2nd > > > house related results for the natie to 'experience'. Thus there > > is > > > some truth in the statement that 'aspect of lagna lord in any > > house is > > > beneficial for the native' -but for sure it is a too much > > > generalization. Why? Malefics in 2nd house FOR SURE will give > > there > > > malefic results - and the native will for sue 'experience' those > > bad > > > results as well! Malefics in 2nd indicates family problems - and > > the > > > native for sure 'experience' that as well! And the question is - > > in > > > short it is good or bad? :=) So only the first statement - " Lagna > > lord > > > aspecting any house just tells us that, the native > > will 'experience' > > > that house related results " holds good and NOT always the > > secondary - > > > " 'aspect of lagna lord in any house is beneficial for the native " , > > even > > > though some partial truth is there in it as well. > > > To clarify your question about 'that house' - if lagna lord > > aspects > > > 6th house - the native will 'experience' results resulted to the > > 6th > > > house - for sure; If lagna lord aspects 6th house - the native > > will > > > 'experience' results resulted to the 9th house - for sure and so > > on. > > > Beneficial or maleficial only analysis can say - but fore sure some > > > beneficial results would be there because - ALL HOUSES holds at > > least > > > some benefic results. :=) > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > " Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that " The native > > will > > > > > 'experience' that house related results " - because the > > connection > > > > of any > > > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native > > > > will 'experience' that > > > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself. " > > > > > > > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house > > lagna > > > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? It would > > be > > > > appreciated very much if you could explain with an > > > > analogy....thanks:) > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > > The answers follow - > > > > > * Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that " The > > native > > > > will > > > > > 'experience' that house related results " - because the > > connection > > > > of any > > > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native > > > > will 'experience' that > > > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself. It is just based > > on > > > > this > > > > > foundation that the secondary rule - " Lagna lord aspect on any > > > > house is > > > > > good for that house " is put forward by some. > > Since 'experiencing > > > > the > > > > > house' can go both ways, this may not be true always, but > > still the > > > > > statement holds some water - but still a too much > > generalization. > > > > Don't > > > > > try to build castles on top of such unreliable secondary - > > that is > > > > not > > > > > the way. > > > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama? > > > > > Whether malefic or benefic - vargottama just means that " The > > > > > significance of the planet amplify " . > > > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in > > if he > > > > is > > > > > malefic? > > > > > Yes. A malefic causing destruction to the house, and when > > > > exalted it > > > > > providing the things related to its significance are two > > different > > > > > things - both results apply. > > > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets > > > > they are > > > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with > > > > Mercury > > > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu > > > > take on > > > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role > > > > > In such a situation the nature of BOTH Mercury's and > > Saturn's > > > > > nature are imparted to the relevant shadow planet - there is no > > > > > partiality. The relevant shadow planet will give the > > results > > > > (good > > > > > or bad or both) related to mercury, Saturn and its own. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > , Kiran R > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji/Sreeramji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts on basics that are acting as roadblock in > > my > > > > > progress > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So > > if > > > > lagna > > > > > lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native wealthy. > > > > > > > > > > > > DOES THIS HOLD TRUE IF LAGNA LORD IS DEBILITATED OR IN > > ENEMY'S > > > > HOUSE? > > > > > > In case of lagna lord being debilitated or in enemy house > > does > > > > it mean > > > > > that lagna lord will still bestow wealth on 2nd house by way of > > > > aspect > > > > > but the amount will be less? > > > > > > Or does it mean that lagna lord by virtue of > > debilitation/being > > > > > posited in enemy house will cause loss of wealth to native? > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Suppose I want to take a call on the overall physical > > > > appearance of > > > > > a native, I have to look at Lagna. What if lagna lord is in > > > > dustana, > > > > > malefic is in lagna and benefic planet aspects lagna? > > > > > > IN THIS CASE SHOULD WE PREDICT MIXED RESULTS FOR APPEARANCE > > OF > > > > NATIVE? > > > > > > > > > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama? > > > > > > Suppose malefic Saturn is vargottamma, meaning it is like > > Saturn > > > > is in > > > > > his own house. > > > > > > Does it indicate aspect by Saturn is no longer malefic and is > > > > benefic? > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is in > > if he > > > > is > > > > > malefic? > > > > > > Suppose malefic Mars is in the 7th house. He must cause > > celibacy > > > > being > > > > > a brahmachari or loss of wife or loss of marriage. What if > > Mars is > > > > > exalted in the 7th house? Will he give negative results for > > the 7th > > > > > house or will he give positive results for the 7th house > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Shadow planets question > > > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the planets > > > > they are > > > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is with > > > > Mercury > > > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will Ketu > > > > take on > > > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click > > here > > > > to know > > > > > how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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